Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Diomedes]

And the fargin same thing would have happened if it was the other way around.

Maybe so, and maybe not.  You yourself noted that some Dems voted against this bill, which is fine evidence that the Dems aren't goosestepping to their party's cadence. 

Moreover, it's not the other way around.  Dems are in power, so they control the legislation being requested by the President, who has also repeatedly asked for support from across the aisle.  He's even gone to them, inviting their opinons in person, steps which Bush never made.  The President and his party have conceded measures they wanted because the Republicans objected to them, but in turn he has fielded no reasonable offers or concessions from them.

The Republicans do have a right to vote no.  They have every right to play the disruptive, but-I-want-my-cookies-and-Froot-Loops tactic.   It's a shame though.  They could get more out of Obama if they tried, but since they can't get everything they want, they're whining and wailing on the floor in the check out line. 

[Diomedes]

It also occurs to me that we just gave 700 Billion to Wall Street by a much more broad bipartisan vote, but when 900 Billion is slated for the American people, the Republicans throw a hissy fit.  What the farg.

[phillymic2000]

Also, the federal government should not be funding PRIVATE SCHOOLS. Why would anyone bitch and moan about the government specifying that their money shouldn't go to private institutions?

This was directly tied to the teachers unions support of the democratic party. How many private companies are being "bailed out" how many private organizations will be receiving money for programs, yet this bill directly shuts the door on charter/private schools. Its bullshtein, and its only because the democratic party is trying to appease the teachers union.

So Republicans are against bailing out private industry and giving away people's hard earned tax dollars unles it helps them to make a point in favor of spiting teachers' unions. Got it.

How would they be spiting teachers unions if they made the money available to everyone?

[rjs246]

Private schools and their teachers are PRIVATELY FUNDED and rely on rich assbags. The government's encouragment of private schooling is largely responsible for the deterioration of one of our country's greatest resources (free public education for all citizens).

Public schools rely on public funding, as do their teachers.

[phillymic2000]

Private schools and their teachers are PRIVATELY FUNDED and rely on rich assbags. The government's encouragment of private schooling is largely responsible for the deterioration of one of our country's greatest resources (free public education for all citizens).

Public schools rely on public funding, as do their teachers.

As do Charter schools

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_schools

[phillymic2000]

It also occurs to me that we just gave 700 Billion to Wall Street by a much more broad bipartisan vote, but when 900 Billion is slated for the American people, the Republicans throw a hissy fit.  What the farg.

The first bailout was bullshtein too, the democratic congress approved it and has not been able to tell us where all the money has gone, or what it has been used for. So you really have faith in them to spend another 819billion?

[Rome]

So, wait... there's pork spending in an appropriations bill?

Oh, no way.

[phillymic2000]

And the fargin same thing would have happened if it was the other way around.

Maybe so, and maybe not.  You yourself noted that some Dems voted against this bill, which is fine evidence that the Dems aren't goosestepping to their party's cadence. 

Moreover, it's not the other way around.  Dems are in power, so they control the legislation being requested by the President, who has also repeatedly asked for support from across the aisle.  He's even gone to them, inviting their opinons in person, steps which Bush never made.  The President and his party have conceded measures they wanted because the Republicans objected to them, but in turn he has fielded no reasonable offers or concessions from them.

The Republicans do have a right to vote no.  They have every right to play the disruptive, but-I-want-my-cookies-and-Froot-Loops tactic.   It's a shame though.  They could get more out of Obama if they tried, but since they can't get everything they want, they're whining and wailing on the floor in the check out line. 

At first I was impressed with Obama going to the republicans to hear their concerns and clearly it was only to get them to sign on to this package, They dropped one or two things yippee.

If your boss brought you a big bag of shtein with some candy in it, and said "hey Dio I want to give this to the public that lives around our company, will you go out their with me so we can hand it out together?" and you asked him to take some of the shtein out and he said. "Well alright I'll take the one out with corn in it, but nothing more"  You would then go out and hand the shtein out to people with your name behind it? or would you say no thanks, which in your world is like having a temper tantrum in the checkout line.

[Seabiscuit36]

John Boehner is the devil

[phillymic2000]

So, wait... there's pork spending in an appropriations bill?

Oh, no way.

Yeah, is this the change Obama was talking about?

[phillymic2000]

I'm nottrrying to duck anyones questions or comments I have to get to a seminar on "turf management" yay for training.

Two things:

I hope this bill changes a little. I am not expecting every b.s. funding to come out of it, but imo there is way too much in it right now.

Even if it doesn't change I hope the 819 billion spent actually works, and at this point that would make the democrats look great since the republicans have not supported it, but thatsfine with me if it will do the job. I still have a long life ahead of me with kids to support and watch grow up. I bitch about this bill cause I care, not because I hate the democrats. I do not subscribe to the bullshtein that some spew hoping Obama fails, if he fails we all fail.

[shorebird]

If your boss brought you a big bag of shtein with some candy in it, and said "hey Dio I want to give this to the public that lives around our company, will you go out their with me so we can hand it out together?" and you asked him to take some of the shtein out and he said. "Well alright I'll take the one out with corn in it, but nothing more"  You would then go out and hand the shtein out to people with your name behind it? or would you say no thanks, which in your world is like having a temper tantrum in the checkout line.

600 mil for new cars when there is already a fleet of 600,000, 54 billion more for the feds in a package that can't even pass a financial audit, and the Republicans are throwing a temper tantrum. Yeah.

[Diomedes]

They dropped one or two things yippee.

Two, and have indicated they'll accept a third (and not minor) one.  Which is three more than the opposition party is willing to even consider.  Stop trying to pretend the Republicans are playing ball.  They're walking off the field screaming crying and whining.

If your boss brought you a big bag of shtein with some candy in it, and said "hey Dio I want to give this to the public that lives around our company, will you go out their with me so we can hand it out together?" and you asked him to take some of the shtein out and he said. "Well alright I'll take the one out with corn in it, but nothing more"  You would then go out and hand the shtein out to people with your name behind it? or would you say no thanks, which in your world is like having a temper tantrum in the checkout line.

Your analogy sucks, but I'm mortally bored, so I'll play along.  I'd require a tooth brush and a picture of fat kids with black rotten teeth to be handed out to each child.

Next stupid question?

[Rome]

So, wait... there's pork spending in an appropriations bill?

Oh, no way.

Yeah, is this the change Obama was talking about?

Mindless Partisan Bickering

[shorebird]

I still contend that saying something like "they have been fighting for thousands of years and will do so forever" is brushing the problem aside.

Absolutely. It's a gradeschool attitude and a sorry excuse for letting injustice and bloodshed go on.

I'm sure there were people who were saying the same thing about The IRA and Northern Ireland - "Aww these people just hate eachother. They've been fighting forever. Let's just let them kill eachother.", or "You play to win. You fight to kill. Grant no quarter, ask no quarter." Blah, blah, blah......

There is enough injustice and bloodshed going on in our own country, along with a boatload of other crap. All we are doing is providing the means for more bloodshed and war by funding their military. That money could be much better spent here, at home. If you want to call it being narrow minded then go ahead. I call it being practical.

Also, if you really think the reason the U.S. backs Ireal is to prevent injustice and bloodshed, then you are very, very naive.