Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[stalker]

It also occurs to me that we just gave 700 Billion to Wall Street by a much more broad bipartisan vote, but when 900 Billion is slated for the American people, the Republicans throw a hissy fit.  What the farg.

It's really about 400 for the people.

[Diomedes]

I would venture a guess that ATV thinks the reason the U.S. backs Israel is to promote injustice and bloodshed.

[stalker]

I would venture a guess that ATV thinks the reason the U.S. backs Israel is to promote injustice and bloodshed.

Ha ha ha.

What I don't get about that is that if Obama says he supports Israel, how can ATV not support them. I mean Obama has already established himself as infallible and as our greatest president.

[ATV]

ATV thinks the reason the U.S. backs Israel is to promote injustice and bloodshed

No, the US backs Israel for many bad reasons but these are not the them. These of course are the ramifications.

[ATV]

These Repubelicans (Repubelicans because nearly all of the old and more decent Republicans have left or been voted out of office) are continuing to demonstrate that all they care about is their party and winning at any cost. Whatever that means.

Fortunately enough of the country has caught onto this and they are no longer running the country.

[Rome]

ATV thinks the reason the U.S. backs Israel is to promote injustice and bloodshed

No, the US backs Israel for many bad reasons but these are not the them. These of course are the ramifications.

You're incredibly stupid.

[ATV]

What did I say about calling me names? Stop that, it hurts my feelings.

[Magical_Retard]

I wish the US was never involved but since for the past 50 some odd years its been claiming its a mediator when in reality its been just Israel's daddy, responsibility falls on the US to bring about some solution. You can not just up and leave now.

Bullmotherfarging shtein. The hell they couldn't and should. Thats what the new regime should be about.

But noooooooooo. The U.S. needs to have a military presence in Israel/Middle East. I hope Barrack Obama exits Iraq and Israel.

And he just might do it.

Wait what? I am saying if this was the year 1948 and the US decided to stay out it would make sense. But its 2009 and since its inception, Israel has received support for everything and anything from us. So you can not just up and leave now. There has to be some closure brought to it. If we already gave Israel all this weaponry and financial aid we can not just leave and say hey let them figure it out. We already unbalanced the playing field.

Abandoning nations, or regions, after using them never works out well. Remember Afghanistan?

So basically it comes down to...there have been wars, changes in regimes, empires, religious rule, and endless bloodshed in the Middle East and especially in the "HOLY LAND"....

Isn't that true for the rest of the world? For all history? Of all mankind? Of all religions and races?

I still contend that saying something like "they have been fighting for thousands of years and will do so forever" is brushing the problem aside. Jews and Christians have been fighting forever also, up until 1948 in fact. I wish the US was never involved but since for the past 50 some odd years its been claiming its a mediator when in reality its been just Israel's daddy, responsibility falls on the US to bring about some solution. You can not just up and leave now.

Couple things here. It is true for the rest of the world but not nearly as focused as that part of the world. There was once a city so devastated by war it is now associated with the worst disaster possible. That city was in the region of Israel Lebanon and it was named Armageddon.

Second I am pointing out the longevity of the situation to merely state that both sides have their hands dirty. They've been at it one way or another for a thousand years. One launches home made rockets these days and the other over reacts with the best weapons money can buy. There is no black or white and neither side is without fault. I guarantee if the shoe was on the other foot the "Palestinians" would wipe Israel off of the map. Hamas isn't even supported by other Arab nations in the region because they are so in the fight they can not see the forest through the trees and everyone knows it. They mortgage the lives of their sons and daughters to blow up a security check point. Bankrupting the potential future of their society and people. Hamas is the worst thing in the world for the Palestinians. Israel is not clean in any of this either. They have based their country on the zionist movement from the late 1800's that says that there must be a Jewish nation before the Mesiah can return. Granted not all Israelies subscribe to this. Just like in the US there are many people with many different views but sometimes majority rule gets you Bush in the white house for 8 years. Sometimes it gets you Obama. Looking at it from far away I can see no answer to the current conflict. They're never going to agree.

And I never claimed it was a one sided black and white good vs evil type of deal. But my beef comes from the fact that here in the US that's exactly how the conflict is portrayed. Can you imagine if 1000+ Israeli civilians were killed by Hamas? Or killed under collateral damage? Can you imagine the outrage we would be seeing on the news? Because Israel is our ally, we are conditioned to believe they are good and Palestinians are evil.

And I am not a Hamas supporter. I was simply offering reason as to why they are so popular. Compared to the PLO and Fatah they have done a lot more for the ppl, even if their military wing lets them get blown away. Compared to the PLO and Fatah they are seen as for the ppl and less corrupt. And bombing the West Bank and killing as many ppl as Israel has is not going to make Hamas any less popular unfortunately. Hamas is a the extreme extension of real grief, oppression, and anger. If you pull the rug from under them, they will become a extreme after thought. But by bombing them Israel does nothing but buy Hamas more support/recruitment and continue this circle. And BTW the rest of the Arab nations you speak of, those who don't support Hamas? Even if they wanted to they can not. The majority of the Arab world hates Israel and supported Hezbollah. The Arab governments did not. It basically comes down to which government is a ally of the US and wishes to remain so. Egypt, Jordan, and Saudia Arabia will only offer solidarity through words and maybe financial means but since they all are dictators and wish to remain in power they would never ever say anything in support of Hamas, Palestinians, or say anything against the USA.

Its at the point where it does not matter who started it or how it was created. It is what it is. Israel is here to stay. And so are the Palestinians. It does not matter if they have been fighting for 1000 yrs, a million yrs, or since 1948...something has to be done about it since it affects the rest of the region and pretty much the world in the global war on terrorism. What Bush did for the past 8 yrs did not work, and if talking to/with Hamas works then so be it. If being less friendly and more harsh with Israel works then so be it.

And I would also venture to say that the reason the violence over there "might" be more frequent is simply because the three major religions of the world each claim that land as their Holy Land.

[Rome]

The Holy Land is a miserable, arid, nearly lifeless farging desert.  They're welcome to it.  I'll take Bermuda for my religious homeland, thanks.

[ATV]

The first bailout was bullshtein too, the democratic congress approved it and has not been able to tell us where all the money has gone, or what it has been used for. So you really have faith in them to spend another 819billion?

Different Treasury Department (duh).

They dropped one or two things yippee.

Says the master exaggerator. What, 1300 Palestinians killed? Yippee! What's one or two more? Beside, they've been fighting for thousands of years. Blah blah bah.

[ATV]

Iraqis must still not understand the concept of Freedom (Freedom, tm Bush Admin 2003). How ungrateful......

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/29/iraq.shoe.monument/index.html

[Seabiscuit36]

YOU ARE A taterskinS FAN, RACIST

[Diomedes]

There is a distinct possibility that Obama will ask Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) to be Secretary of Commerce and that he will accept, after which John Lynch, the democratic governor of New Hampshire, may appoint a Dem to his seat, which would give the Democratic senate enough votes to break a Republican filibuster (assuming Franken's win is validated and Leiberman plays along).

Obama would have another Republican in his administration, keeping his promise to have a bipartisan admin representing different points of view, and the Senate Republicans would suffer a heavy blow.  Win win.  Plus, Gregg is socially moderate, which is to say, sane.  Adding his expertise to Obama's team and depriving the Senate Republicans of it would be a nice cut, not least because the more conservative the Republicans get, the better for everyone...they cannot survive marching to the drumbeat of Nixon and Limbaugh.

[ice grillin you]

if gregg wants to stay in the republican party no way he accepts

i also dont know how bipartisan this might be since it clearly would be a huge benfit to the dems...sounds sinister to me.....i like it

[Diomedes]

He's unlikely to run or re-election to the Senate, and he's said he's honored to be under consideration.  Heads in the know think he would probably take it, and the fact that the GOP is freaked out about it only supports speculation he'd accept the role.

What's less clear is whether Lynch would install another Republican or a Democrat.