Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Rome]

The choice is about as black & white as it gets.

[phillymic2000]

I never wrote mass exodus. I wrote fairly large exodus. We can argue all we want about whether this would be the case. It'd be likely moot though, as Obama's got this.

Main Entry: ex·o·dus   
Pronunciation: \ˈek-sə-dəs, ˈeg-zə-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from Greek Exodos, literally, road out, from ex- + hodos road
Date: before 12th century
1capitalized : the mainly narrative second book of canonical Jewish and Christian Scripture — see bible table
2: a mass departure : emigration

[phillymic2000]

Also, the race is hardly in the bag.  After what I've seen this election, I simply won't believe that America will vote for a black man until it actually happens.  This country is so deeply racist it's hard to overstate.

exactly how i feel

wont believe it until i see it

I have to say that early in this thing and up until last week I thought Obama was going to steam roll. After seeing some of the you tube vid's and other reports, I have 3 thoughts. This may be a very close election. There are some really crazy ass racist people that should be ashamed themselves. And finally most of those crazy ass racist people are fargin fat asses, geez control yourselves people.

[rjs246]

The implications of a McCain victory are scary, but I'll be honest, the idea of a little chaos as a result is appealing. Maybe it will shake some empathy loose and people will actually try to do something about the state this country finds itself in.

[Geowhizzer]

regarding the semi serious discussion rjs tried to start, 'what will it take to get a third or fourth party into the mix'....it will take major changes to voting laws regarding thresholds to qualify to run, campaign funding regulations, and to the laws which dictate the actual balloting rules that would allow for no confidence votes and/or second choice etc.  I don't see how either of the current parties would propose legislation to make it easier for them to lose, even if by some miracle the voters demanded they do it.  How the voters would ever get that idea in their head, I don't know. They are generally too poorly educated and too naturally stupid to give a farg.

Powell endorsing Obama is very important for independent voters and moderate Repubs who hadn't decided yet.

Also, the race is hardly in the bag.  After what I've seen this election, I simply won't believe that America will vote for a black man until it actually happens.  This country is so deeply racist it's hard to overstate.

To me, nothing short of a constitutional amendment will make a multiple-party system viable in national politics.  With the current system, Cerevant is correct in saying that the trend is for the dominant parties to take the core issues of the third parties that resonate with the voters, conform it to their modus operandi, and assume it for themselves.  The Democrats absorbed many of the tenants of the Populist party in the late 1800s.  The Republicans were actually a mixing of old Whigs, Free Soilers and abolitionists.

A third party simply cannot survive long term in the current constitutional system.  The last "third party" to actually accumulate national power was the Republicans, and that was more a simple re-birth of the Whig Party that had died out a few years earlier.  For a new party to assume power, it is likely to be needed that one of the other two die out.  That is not likely to happen in modern times, simply because of the money invested in both major parties.

I still think that Powell's endorsement came pretty late in the campaign, and wonder why it took him so long to make a decision - or to make it public.  I'm confident in Obama's lead, but agree that we must wait until election day to be fully confident in his victory.  There are still too many variables, and too much time, between now and election day.

[rjs246]

So if everyone agrees that a two party system is inevitable, and assumes that the money and momentum involved will keep it restricted to the parties we already have, how can we bring them closer to the center where most of us reside? Is there even any point?

[Wingspan]

Lure them with Skittles

[ATV]

Maybe it will shake some empathy loose and people will actually try to do something about the state this country finds itself in.

People are doing something. They're voting for President a black guy with an Islamic middle name and and African last name.

That's democracy. If Obama were to lose the election because Fixed News and Rush Limbaugh have succesfully scared enough morons into voting for four more years - That's not democracy. That's the end. Or maybe 2004 was. We'll see, we've got a front-row seat.

[Rome]

Actually, that would be democracy in action.  Freedom of speech extends to everyone in this country, even to loathsome iceholes like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity & Limbaugh.  If their power of persuasion succeeds in causing millions of Americans to vote for McCain, then so be it.

And your ridiculously hyperbolic rantings, although mildly amusing, are completely laughable.  If you want to head to Canada, please do so.  Once you get there, be sure to lock yourself in a barrel and toss your ass over Niagara Falls while you're at it.

[bowzer]

Maybe it will shake some empathy loose and people will actually try to do something about the state this country finds itself in.

People are doing something. They're voting for President a black guy with an Islamic middle name and and African last name.

That's democracy. If Obama were to lose the election because Fixed News and Rush Limbaugh have succesfully scared enough morons into voting for four more years - That's not democracy. That's the end. Or maybe 2004 was. We'll see, we've got a front-row seat.

Speaking of democracy.... Acorn???

[Munson]

Speaking of George Bush....John McCain??

[bowzer]

Speaking of George Bush....John McCain??

Speaking of the next Jimmy Carter... Obama??

[Munson]

You wish.

[MDS]

is bowzer trying to instigate stuff for the farg of it or is he really a repub?

because if hes just trying to start shtein then fine, its lame, but fine. and if hes really a repub dude i feel sorry for you.

[Munson]

You'll be sad to know that I was thinking the exact same thing.