Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ice grillin you]

I don't understand the justification for wiping student debt versus other stimulus ideas.  Well, I understand it (I think), I just don't agree with the policy.  Like I said though, I'd love to have conversations about things like this, but my concern is a greater existential threat to combat authoritarianism.  Not saying you aren't concerned with that, but Bernie people taking their ball and going home is missing the point.  Then again, I just completely disagree with an idea that Trump/Biden are the same candidates.

theres no point in arguing policies that will not be enacted

student debt is never ever ever ever ever getting erased...period end of story

really this isnt about policies at all...its about beating trump and like you said restoring/saving our democracy

[Eagles_Legendz]

This isn't directed at you Munson, but one of my irritations with the vocal Bernie supporters flout a similar line.  Aren't the most marginalized communities inner city black voters?  Especially in the south?  I feel like they've spoken pretty loudly about who gives them something to vote for, and the line of thinking otherwise walks a verrrry thin line in my mind about "educated white folks" telling them what's best for them.

[Munson]

Older black voters in the south tend to be more conservative and there's been a few articles and studies the last year where black voters admit they literally vote for who they think white people will vote for. Bakari Sellers and Van Jones have also been saying as much. They, much like everyone else, play "Pundit" a lot with their votes. Much like white voters though, there's a pretty big generational divide.

Gonna try and find the study but there was a good reading out there on how older black voters dont like to take risks with going for further left stuff because they got used to basically assuming bolder stuff won't pass and being disappointed. I can't for the life of me remember who put an article out about it though. Wanna say it was Vox or Atlantic but this was months ago.

All that being said, everyone of every race has parts of it that vote against their own self interests. Hell, just look at every poor rural white person


Also this reminds me of igy and people with his attitude heh:
https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/881161169469403137

[Munson]

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1235350982848110593

Yeah no shtein. Gonna be fun.

On the other hand, I do think Joe Biden is waaaaaay more liked than Hillary Clinton is/was. And there was a good stat posted earlier about Biden getting a lot of votes from Dem voters that sat out the 2016 primary. That just tells me HRC was hated way more than even I thought.

[Geowhizzer]

https://twitter.com/owlhix/status/1234998290841661441

[Munson]

Oh my god...did she actually wear that??

[MDS]

i did a little number looking at work

-VA had over 500,000 more D primary votes than in 2016. in fact in 2016, the R primary had more votes than the D by about 300k. the state has flipped on the backs of the anti trump vote from disgusted suburban women. they chose joe. they flipped multiple house and local races. they vote. just a thought.

-its not an apples to apples comparison, but there were more D votes in texas yesterday than R votes. yes there was no competitive primary. yes nothing has been flipped state wide in texas. but its a continued sign of where this thing is going in this state. its just a matter of when not if (it wont be november). regardless, texas was up over 500k from 16 and theyre still counting.

-north cakalaki was up 200,000 in dem primary votes. enough to make this state competitive? trump won by less than 200,000 votes and his vote total has to have been maxed out.

-the primary really ended in northeast new england. the moment joe got to viability in vermont - VERMONT - and the moment he won freaking maine it was over. m4a polled at 70% in maine yet biden won. if bernie cant romp in a white state full of loony sweater wearing hippies then he should just quit. 

[ice grillin you]

Maine isn't hippie
it leans blue but it is also lepage country

Vermont is where the hippies rule

[MDS]

whatever it is it aint no joe biden state

[ice grillin you]

I mean geographically it isn't cause it's near Vermont but it's politics are closer to Biden than Bernie

Vermont is a different animal...that was way closer than it should have been

[MDS]

bernie won maine 64-35 in 2016. i know 4 candidates is different than 2, but this was supposed to be one of his states. it wasnt. thats the ballgame right there. they did not poll the precise hippie population.

in vermont he lost 30 points of support. this shtein is OVA

[Munson]

Honestly I'm learning that people just hated HRC way more than even I thought.

[SD]

Honestly I'm learning that people just hated HRC way more than even I thought.

Corporate shill elitist, butter emails, OMGBENGHAZI!, "Killary". The GOP smear job started a few years out and the momentum carried to the election. They tried starting that with Biden but swing and a miss with the Ukraine/corruption. Phase one failed, phase two is turning Biden/Sanders against each other claiming the dnc rigged the primaries if Biden becomes the nominee.

[ice grillin you]

bernie won maine 64-35 in 2016. i know 4 candidates is different than 2, but this was supposed to be one of his states. it wasnt. thats the ballgame right there. they did not poll the precise hippie population.

in vermont he lost 30 points of support. this shtein is OVA

apples and oranges...maine caucused in 2016 and had a primary tuesday

i agree with your overall premise but it was never gonna be like that in maine....you can say bernie had to win a state close to home like that or else it was bad for him...but it was never going to be a blowout for him there...again maine elected paul farging lepage to two terms and is susan collins country

[Diomedes]

I don't love Biden but I do love the decisiveness of the swing toward his nomination.  Momentum change occurred when Clyburn endorsed, and has only swelled since.  So, Biden it is.  Fine.

Now, moving right along: turnout. 

The VP has to be Abrams.  She will lock in and draw out the minority vote.  She'll add strength to the appeal for women, progressives, and educated liberals who take dim view of Joe's abilities, to say nothing of the assurance she would offer to those who worry about a stroke or heart attack prematurely ending Biden's tenure.   She'll turn off no-one.  No other VP can do all these things.

Hillary won the popular vote by 2.8 million.  We need to run up the score.  Eight to ten million is totally within reach.