Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PhillyPhreak54]

Hawk? You out there buddy? How ya holding up?

[Sgt PSN]

mississippi burning

[PhillyPhreak54]

These pages will be gold the night of November 6th, when I get to come here and read all the shock and disbelief that Obama loss.

Shock! Disbelief!

[Rome]

Beetlejuice?

[phillycrew]

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president?hpt=elec_racenav

my favorite part of elections is breaking down the demographics.

basically barry got the young, non-white, non-religious vote which is exactly where this country is going. look at the data yourself...tell me how the republican party as we know it can possibly win an election.

the moderate repubs are going to want to shift on social policy (gay marriage, pot, etc.) but that will not sit well with the bible thumpers. which means 1 of 2 things--the gop casually fades away to the planet kolob or there is a total break and a creation of a 3rd, more centrist party (that would elect someone like rubio or christie and would receive the immediate support of well-known closet republican yet not hateful of homos, negros or mexicans FF).

either way i dont think were going to have to even try anymore. this shtein is OVA

So politics will all be about race and age and ideas won't matter.  Brilliant.  Even if the Republicans shift to gay and pot, it won't really get them any additional votes.  You can't out left the left.  Four more years of a miserable economy and crushing debt should be enough to get the Republicans back.

[Rome]

lol @ crushing national debt.  like that even registers with people living paycheck to paycheck.

[PhillyPhreak54]

PC,

The republicans are not coming back until they drastically alter their criteria and mission plan. They're so out if touch it's amazing. So until they do that - they have no shot.

[Sgt PSN]

lol @ crushing national debt.  like that even registers with people living paycheck to paycheck.

This. Who gives a shtein about national debt (or surplus) if your own household is flirting with the red?  When Clinton left office, there were still poor people in this country and none of them could give a rats ass about the surplus.  "Hey, we cant pay the rent this month but at least the country doesnt owe China any money." 

It might be unpopular to say, but farg the debt. If the job market expands and tax dollars are spent more responsibly then the debt will start to dissolve on its own.

[phillycrew]

As the debt rises so will the interest rates that debtors will charge.  The current low interest rate will be unsustainable and our currency will continue to devalue.  People already see that when they go to the store and prices are rising but their wages are not.  4 more years of this and the middle class will be even further behind.  I guess you could argue that would favor the democrats as more people are dependent on government handouts, they get more votes.

54, I assume you mean pro-choice and environmentally friendly.  I do think the GOP should focus  more on the fiscal issues than the social ones but is it really a healthy democracy if pro-life can't have a voice?  Unless you are MDS who is openly rooting for a one party system, maybe the answer is to have a "bigger tent" that would allow for pro-choice candidates to make it through the primary.

[Sgt PSN]

As the debt rises so will the interest rates that debtors will charge.  The current low interest rate will be unsustainable and our currency will continue to devalue.  People already see that when they go to the store and prices are rising but their wages are not.  4 more years of this and the middle class will be even further behind.  I guess you could argue that would favor the democrats as more people are dependent on government handouts, they get more votes.

I agree with this is theory, but wouldn't a stronger job market help ensure healthy(ier) wages to help deal with the coat of inflation? 

54, I assume you mean pro-choice and environmentally friendly.  I do think the GOP should focus  more on the fiscal issues than the social ones but is it really a healthy democracy if pro-life can't have a voice?  Unless you are MDS who is openly rooting for a one party system, maybe the answer is to have a "bigger tent" that would allow for pro-choice candidates to make it through the primary.

I really hate the term "pro-life" because it indicates that anyone who supports a woman's right to choose is somehow against life, which simply isn't true.

The real problem with the entire abortion debate is that the overwhelming majority of people against it are against it because of their religious beliefs.  I've never heard an anti-abortion argument based on anything other than religion and you can't establish laws in this country that are so heavily influenced by religious beliefs IMO. Same goes for gay marriage. If the argument against it wasn't so deeply rooted in religion, then I'd probably be open to at least hearing the argument. But no law in this country should ever be based on religion....other than protecting the rights of people to practice whatever religion they chose, of course. But even that law does not cater to any specific religion, although many in this country would like to think that it only applies to Christians.

[phillycrew]

As the debt rises so will the interest rates that debtors will charge.  The current low interest rate will be unsustainable and our currency will continue to devalue.  People already see that when they go to the store and prices are rising but their wages are not.  4 more years of this and the middle class will be even further behind.  I guess you could argue that would favor the democrats as more people are dependent on government handouts, they get more votes.

I agree with this is theory, but wouldn't a stronger job market help ensure healthy(ier) wages to help deal with the coat of inflation? 

54, I assume you mean pro-choice and environmentally friendly.  I do think the GOP should focus  more on the fiscal issues than the social ones but is it really a healthy democracy if pro-life can't have a voice?  Unless you are MDS who is openly rooting for a one party system, maybe the answer is to have a "bigger tent" that would allow for pro-choice candidates to make it through the primary.

I really hate the term "pro-life" because it indicates that anyone who supports a woman's right to choose is somehow against life, which simply isn't true.

The real problem with the entire abortion debate is that the overwhelming majority of people against it are against it because of their religious beliefs.  I've never heard an anti-abortion argument based on anything other than religion and you can't establish laws in this country that are so heavily influenced by religious beliefs IMO. Same goes for gay marriage. If the argument against it wasn't so deeply rooted in religion, then I'd probably be open to at least hearing the argument. But no law in this country should ever be based on religion....other than protecting the rights of people to practice whatever religion they chose, of course. But even that law does not cater to any specific religion, although many in this country would like to think that it only applies to Christians.

There are too many factors holding down wages.  The unions power continues to decline.  International competition continues to increase and suppresses wages.  Finally, the mismatch between workers skills and the needs of business continue to grow.  We will have a very highly trained minority that will be paid very well and then everyone else gets crap.

As for anti-abortion, I could easily make a non-religious argument.  The baby has no vote or voice so it is the obligation of the government to protect the most helpless portion of their population.  In addition, 42% of abortions are by the poor and are disproportionately black.  Why is there no outrage about the effects of abortion on the black community?

[Seabiscuit36]

farg YOU RACISTS


including the guy my girl stepped in between me and him last night

n word dropped multiple times......only because shes an angel did i not box this dood

Need more context on this? 

Also, gotta love the hick county i'm in. 

In Maryland, Obama won 61 percent of the vote to Romney's 37 percent.

However, in Cecil County, Romney won handily, 59 percent to 39 percent. 

[General_Failure]

It was a close vote, but Minnesota did not ban gay marriage. Washington is still counting votes to see if they will allow it in their state.

[Sgt PSN]

There are too many factors holding down wages.  The unions power continues to decline.  International competition continues to increase and suppresses wages.  Finally, the mismatch between workers skills and the needs of business continue to grow.  We will have a very highly trained minority that will be paid very well and then everyone else gets crap.

I agree with all of this.  And just as there are too many factors holding down wages, there's also too many factors holding down the economy.  All I was really saying is that while everyone talks about the economy, most of your middle income families and below really couldn't give 2 shteins about it when they're just trying to keep their heads above water.  It's obviously a short sighted way to look at things, but I can certainly understand why people are more concerned with their own budget more than they are the govt's. 

As for anti-abortion, I could easily make a non-religious argument.  The baby has no vote or voice so it is the obligation of the government to protect the most helpless portion of their population.

Unborn children are not part of the population.  Pregnancy does not result in a town's +1 population increase, therefore the gov't has no obligation to that fetus until pops out of mom's va-jay-jay.  Another flaw with your argument is that a lot of people who believe that life begins with conception are the same people who will just as soon leave a mother and her newborn child to fend for themselves in the event of any health complications for the baby should they be too poor to afford treatment themselves.  Not saying that you fall into that category, but you know that those types of people are out there.

In addition, 42% of abortions are by the poor and are disproportionately black.  Why is there no outrage about the effects of abortion on the black community?

The effects of abortion in the black community are not worth being outraged about.  Should anyone be upset if a poor black girl/woman who doesn't have the means (financially, emotionally) or maturity to properly care for a child decides to not bring that child into a world it has little chance of succeeding in?  Same goes for some poor white trash girl in a Mississippi trailer park.     

I'm not in favor of abortion because it doesn't seem right to me, and I've said as much here in the past.  There's a lot of things in the world today that don't seem right to me but I'm not going to try to make them illegal just because I don't like them.  If my g/f got pregnant today, I could never ask her to abort despite the fact that not only do I not want more children, but given my current circumstances, I can't even begin to afford another child.  But if she chose to get an abortion, I'd support her 100%.  And if she wanted to keep it, I'd be there for her as well.  I support any woman having the right to make that decision.  And I don't blame any woman who feels that abortion is a better alternative to bringing a child into a practically hopeless situation. 

Abortions do in fact provide a service to this country since they reduce the number of children being born into poverty, bad homes, etc.  Children who would be an additional mouth for the gov't to feed and who would most likely depend on the gov't for survival for the rest of their lives.

Truth is, whether abortion is legal or not, it has practically zero impact on my day to day life...or anyone else's.  More unwanted children being born might eat up a few more of my tax dollars, but in the grand scheme of things, I could care less if women want to keep their babies or not.  Either way, just keep your babies away from me.  Because unless it's a close family member or friend, chances are I hate your baby anyway.   

[PhillyPhanInDC]

The real problem with the entire abortion debate is that the overwhelming majority of people against it are against it because of their religious beliefs.  I've never heard an anti-abortion argument based on anything other than religion and you can't establish laws in this country that are so heavily influenced by religious beliefs IMO. Same goes for gay marriage. If the argument against it wasn't so deeply rooted in religion, then I'd probably be open to at least hearing the argument. But no law in this country should ever be based on religion....other than protecting the rights of people to practice whatever religion they chose, of course. But even that law does not cater to any specific religion, although many in this country would like to think that it only applies to Christians.

Wow. Well said. I am an atheist have fall somewhere between pro-choice and pro-life - that being the case I have completely given up on a rational discussion with anyone over because the zealouts always turn it into a crime against god and whatnot.