Positives amidst all the negativity

[The BIGSTUD]

Never hate to be on the right side of the fence. 

But yeah, just go back to the San Fran game and watch the goal line stand to see what Dawk is still made of.

[Eaglez]

It might not be outside the realm of possibility that this group is just less talented. There have been flashes of what this defense can do, I think, and that is what makes the inconsistencies all the more frustrating. That what leaves me to believe that they don't play with urgency when needed. The Eagles battle back, to an early 4th quarter lead, the offense is clicking, and the the D lets up a big TD play to tie it up early. Then, they can't force a 3 and out and let the Saints eat up the last 8 minutes of the fourth quarter. There seems to be a motivational aspect there missing.

There needs to be some sort of adjustment, either player personnel wise or maybe scheme wise, because this defense is just giving up too many big plays and allowing too many sustainable drives.

[The BIGSTUD]

But you have to figure that the mistakes play a HUGE part of it too. Mistakes result in big plays. Big plays result in momentum. If Moats doesn't run into Wynn or Lewis doesn't mess up, then we aren't even talking about the pass defense right now, because they only score 13 points and we win.

Things are just magnified when we lose. If we lost that Dallas game in OT, this defense would've been crucified, but it wasn't because Lito had a lucky INT.

[General_Failure]

then we aren't even talking about the pass defense right now

You have no farging clue where you are right now, do you.

[Don Ho]

Sheppard-- He hasn't been burnt this year.  Hey, that's awesome.  You know what, I sat out a bunch of games this year, and I wasn't burnt either.  I rock.

Sign Zanshin!

[shorebird]

I think this loss can be summed up very simply, we lost a very close game on the road too what is looking like a very, very dangerous Saints team. This ain't your Daddy's Saints anymore. They are good.

Other than stupid penalties, the one thing that stands out to me, is Reid going to the friggen' soft zone immediately after we score late in the game. I guess he doesn't have very much confidence in the ability of our CB's in man coverage, I don't know, but as soon as we go zone, BAM! Score.

[Magical_Retard]

I think this loss can be summed up very simply, we lost a very close game on the road too what is looking like a very, very dangerous Saints team. This ain't your Daddy's Saints anymore. They are good.

Other than stupid penalties, the one thing that stands out to me, is Reid going to the friggen' soft zone immediately after we score late in the game. I guess he doesn't have very much confidence in the ability of our CB's in man coverage, I don't know, but as soon as we go zone, BAM! Score.

i dont know how much reid controls the D...i think he leaves that up to johnson completely.

[rjs246]

This secondary has been shredded by every team that has played them. Anyone arguing that they are anything other than steaming piles of shtein right now needs to have their head examined.

[Eaglez]

But you have to figure that the mistakes play a HUGE part of it too. Mistakes result in big plays. Big plays result in momentum. If Moats doesn't run into Wynn or Lewis doesn't mess up, then we aren't even talking about the pass defense right now, because they only score 13 points and we win.

Things are just magnified when we lose. If we lost that Dallas game in OT, this defense would've been crucified, but it wasn't because Lito had a lucky INT.

Yeah, but it impossible to take one aspect out of the game and then say "well, the Eagles would have won because they wouldn't have scored, this, this, and this" -- If you delete one aspect in a temporal arrangement you lend yourself to changing the entire succession. You can't say, "well, if this wouldn't of happened the Eagles would have won." Because you're just speculating on what the Eagles would have done.

All you need to know is that the Eagles were up 24-17 in the fourth quarter, everything else prior to that is irrelevant, and if they would have taken care of the Saints after that score they would have won. The pass defense is why the Eagles lost, because if they would played better Drew Brees doesn't throw a bomb to Joe Horn and ties the game. Moreover, it was the pass defense and the run defense for that matter that allowed the 16 play, 8 minute drive at the end of the game which put the Saints in the position to kick an easy chip-shot field goal for the win.

Stating that the pass defense or the defense in general is not to blame for the loss, I think, is complete bunk.

[The BIGSTUD]

It is absolutely to blame for the loss and it absolutely needs to improve. I'm just saying that this secondary has the ability to be tops in the league. They just aren't playing like it. Mistakes are a big part of it and the other part is Michael Lewis.

[rjs246]

This secondary is not nearly as good as we were led to believe. To hold on to the hope that they are singularly talented and just need to 'get it together' is stupid and contrary to all evidence.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

This secondary is not nearly as good as we were led to believe. To hold on to the hope that they are singularly talented and just need to 'get it together' is stupid and contrary to all evidence.

They sure were decent 2 years ago.  That has to count for something!

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[rjs246]

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[The BIGSTUD]

It surely does count for something. We have the same personnel and obviously their talents haven't diminished because they aren't in that age area yet.

[mpmcgraw]

Dawkins is.