Hard truths to face before '06 Season

[phillywin2k5]

Fine, I'll stick my neck out.

Playmakers drafted by Reid not named McNabb/Westbrook

1. Lito is a playmaker.  He's a risk-taker, and he had a bad year this year, but he's athletic and has a tendency for the big play.

2. Pinkston is a playmaker.  Laugh all you want.  How many big passing plays did the Eagles have this year, even while TO was still playing?  Pinkston was usually good for at least one 25+ gain a game, whether from a penalty or an actual completion.  That's huge.  Is he a #1 receiver?  Hell no.  But I underestimated his loss.

3. Reggie Brown is a playmaker.  How many receivers have made even the contribution he has in this offense as a rookie?  The answer is zero.  This offense is impossible to grasp for a first year receiver, but Reggie has still shown strength, speed, and hands.  How good he becomes remains to be seen, but I believe that if he were the 2nd/3rd receiver with a healthy McNabb, he'd have finished the year with over 800 yards and 4-5 TD's.

Have to get some work done, but those are the first 3 that came to mind.

Reggie Brown is still a work in progress, lets see him put in a full season then call him a decent pick.

I never said LJ SUCKS, i just said hes been overhyped. He drops too many balls and has a penchant for fumbling near the goaline.

Lito is not as good as Sheldon, IMO.

Buckhalter is a bust, his bad breaks make him that.

But to get back to the offense, if you look at the entire 7 years of AR they havent done a good job of drafting quality O players.

[Wingspan]

But to get back to the offense, if you look at the entire 7 years of AR they havent done a good job of drafting quality O players.

thats the ticket.

come up with your own little tiny list. then when people pop up that should also make the list, you poo poo it. then go on about how short your list is....it's a really transparent tactic.

buckhalter should be counted. you cant factor the injuries in. when he's played he's played damn well. it was a good pick. his knees just dont agree.

[phillywin2k5]

But to get back to the offense, if you look at the entire 7 years of AR they havent done a good job of drafting quality O players.

thats the ticket.

come up with your own little tiny list. then when people pop up that should also make the list, you poo poo it. then go on about how short your list is....it's a really transparent tactic.

buckhalter should be counted. you cant factor the injuries in. when he's played he's played damn well. it was a good pick. his knees just dont agree.

ok so you can count Buckhalter in for what a total of 20 games over 5 seasons? that to me is a bust.  and when i started this i was talking about Offense, and continued in that fashion. I think that the Eagles have done a lousy job of drafting offensive players AND defensive players since Reid came to town.

Buckhalter Draft 2001
2001 PHI 15 129 586 4.5 48 2 28 2 2
2003 PHI 15 126 542 4.3 64 8 28 3 2

[General_Failure]

There's always been somebody on the offense to help McNabb out, and with the exception of last year it hasn't been a wide receiver. It would be nice if they could spend the first three picks of the draft on skill players for the offense every year, but they really can't.

So, to finish pointing out shtein we already know but you want to whine about anyway, Reid can't draft WRs, DEs, or LBs. Boo.

[phillywin2k5]

There's always been somebody on the offense to help McNabb out, and with the exception of last year it hasn't been a wide receiver. It would be nice if they could spend the first three picks of the draft on skill players for the offense every year, but they really can't.

So, to finish pointing out shtein we already know but you want to whine about anyway, Reid can't draft WRs, DEs, or LBs. Boo.

im saying maybe they should get a GM who has a better eye for talent. Obviously the last 3 years Reid hasnt gotten the job done. The only diamonds in the rough he ever finds are those Street Free Agents.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Lito is not as good as Sheldon, IMO.

But to get back to the offense, if you look at the entire 7 years of AR they havent done a good job of drafting quality O players.

I agreed with you already on your first point.  You weren't asking about solid players, you were asking about "playmakers"... and I see those as two different things.

As for offensive players, I think Reid has done fairly well, especially when you consider that they've mostly been picking in the late 20's in the 1st round.  Most of the young offensive playmakers in the NFL are drafted early.

Who'd they really miss out on as far as offensive "playmakers"?

1999
2nd round
Choice: #35 overall - Barry Gardner
Missed: Kevin Faulk?  Peerless Price?
Let's just say options were limited.

2000
1st round
Choice: #6 overall - Corey Simon
Missed: Plaxico Burress, Shawn Alexander
It was pretty much consensus that Simon was the best player available.

2nd round
Choice: #36 overall - Todd Pinkston
Missed: Jerry Porter
Considering some of the "winners" drafted BEFORE Pinkston (Peter Warrick, Travis Taylor, Sylvester Morris, R. Jay Soward, Dennis Northcutt), I wouldn't say Reid did too badly here.

2001
1st round
Choice: #25 overall - Freddie Mitchell
Missed: Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Chris Chambers, Steve Smith (picked #74)
This is one that can't really be defended.  Mitchell was a bad pick, considering the guys still on the board and how their careers are panning out.
However, I'm not really sure what you were expecting from Buckhalter, a late 4th round pick.

2002
When you get a guy like Westbrook in the third round and 3/4 members of your starting secondary in the first two rounds, that's a good draft.  Not too many "playmakers" available to the Eagles anyway.  They did well to snag Westbrook.

2003
1st round
Choice: #15 Overall - Jerome McDougle
Missed: Bryant Johnson?  Willis McGahee?  Larry Johnson?

2nd round
Choice: #61 Overall - L.J. Smith
Missed: Nate Burleson?  Kevin Curtis?  Chris Brown?

2004
1st round
Choice: #16 Overall - Shawn Andrews
Missed: Chris Perry?  Michael Jenkins?  Rashaun Woods?  Kevin Jones?  Julius Jones?


Let's just say you're giving them a bad rap if you think they failed many, many chances to nab an offensive "playmaker" or "superstar".  When you're routinely drafting low, you're not going to get them very often.

[phillywin2k5]

sorry didnt mean "playmakers" more like better than servicable. what im really disappointed in is the lack of players the Eagles have been able to develop in their own system.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

sorry didnt mean "playmakers" more like better than servicable. what im really disappointed in is the lack of players the Eagles have been able to develop in their own system.

What you're really talking about is WR's, specifically.

[Wingspan]

sorry didnt mean "playmakers" more like better than servicable. what im really disappointed in is the lack of players the Eagles have been able to develop in their own system.

jesus christ, make up your mind

injury and attitude excluded...

2000
Simon, Pinkston
2001
Burgess
Buckhalter
2002
Sheppard
Brown
Lewis
Westbrook
Brock (they couldnt sign him, which was a fargup, but they did draft the guy)
2003
LJ Smith
*McDougle (remains to be seen)
*McMullen (remains to be seen)
2004
Andrews
Reed
Clarke
2005
Patterson(Showing promise)
Brown(Showing promise)
Cole(Showing promise)

(then there is Greg Lewis, Rayburn)

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

From Sheldon Brown's new blog entry:

"I would probably say that, in the long run and in the overall scheme of things, our biggest problem has been camaraderie. All 53 players have to be together. You can't have 52 players together and one person apart. It's like a puzzle. The puzzle is never finished until you have that last piece, even if you take years and years to work on it. It's never finished until you have that last piece.

"That is what is so great about New England. They kept all 53 pieces working together year in and year out. They believed in what they were trying to accomplish.

"Here, when I look back on it, I wonder if all 53 players we had in September believed. Not 52. All 53. I don't think so.

[mikey418]

So I guess that's a shot at TO.  Well TO stated he was going to cause waves and be a distraction if the Eagles FO didn't make him happy....