Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Munson]

There has to be an individual mandate because that was the entire point of the bill...to either get everyone health insurance, or make those people that don't have it pay something into the system. that way, when they get hurt and can't pay the bill, the taxpayers aren't picking up 100% of the tab.

Of course, a public option would have been much better.

[phillycrew]

Well then why the 1 year extension for businesses?  Why should the young and healthy be forced to subsidize the sickly (top 10 illnesses in U.S. in 2010 were heart disease, obesity, cancer, infectious disease, cancer, TB, HIV/AIDS, lower respiraratory tract infections, COPD, Flu and Depression), many of which can be helped through lifestyle changes?

Although a public option may have been more efficient, health care administrators are mixed on whether public options in other countries are necessarily better.  Also, are fat, lazy, non-exercising americans suddenly going to eat better and work out because they have government healthcare?  I don't see the correlation.

[Munson]

The young and healthy are always subsidising the old and sick, that's literally how health care works in this country. At least this bill forces insurance companies to pay more of what they take in in premiums towards health care instead of overhead.


As for why businesses for a 1 year extension...they shouldn't have, but I assume it has something to do with all of them whining about not having enough time to get their financials in orser

[ice grillin you]

Why should the young and healthy be forced to subsidize the sickly (top 10 illnesses in U.S. in 2010 were heart disease, obesity, cancer, infectious disease, cancer, TB, HIV/AIDS, lower respiraratory tract infections, COPD, Flu and Depression), many of which can be helped through lifestyle changes?

why force everyone to have car insurance....why should i have to pay for all the bad drivers out there

also the aca was written three years ago...it has to be implemented at some point....the tea party just wants to delay it so they have another year to try and abolish it...the aca certainly is not perfect but before it can be tweaked or even overhauled we need to see it in action...which brings us to the real issue at hand....the republicans are deathly afraid that it will by and large be a popular program that works...this is their worst nightmare

all that said i proposed a deal yesterday....the senate passes a budget that gets rid of the aca...and i mean gone obliterated forever not delayed not partially implemented but blown up...but also included in the same deal is a repeal of the second amendment

i think thats fair and gives something to both sides

[phillycrew]

Why should the young and healthy be forced to subsidize the sickly (top 10 illnesses in U.S. in 2010 were heart disease, obesity, cancer, infectious disease, cancer, TB, HIV/AIDS, lower respiraratory tract infections, COPD, Flu and Depression), many of which can be helped through lifestyle changes?

why force everyone to have car insurance....why should i have to pay for all the bad drivers out there

also the aca was written three years ago...it has to be implemented at some point....the tea party just wants to delay it so they have another year to try and abolish it...the aca certainly is not perfect but before it can be tweaked or even overhauled we need to see it in action...which brings us to the real issue at hand....the republicans are deathly afraid that it will by and large be a popular program that works...this is their worst nightmare

all that said i proposed a deal yesterday....the senate passes a budget that gets rid of the aca...and i mean gone obliterated forever not delayed not partially implemented but blown up...but also included in the same deal is a repeal of the second amendment

i think thats fair and gives something to both sides

You have to purchase car insurance so that if you hit someone else, they are covered.  You don't have to purchase insurance for your own car and can self-insure.

There are parts of Obamacare that are great.  Coverage for pre-existing conditions and coverage up to 26.  Sorry, I don't buy let's give it a try and damn the young people that are already getting screwed with their parents debt and now they have to pay for fatties healthcare.

[Munson]

But, again, that's already how health care works in this country. The healthy peoples premiums are used to pay for the sick people. that's what happens when you run a for profit health care industry

[ice grillin you]

Why should the young and healthy be forced to subsidize the sickly (top 10 illnesses in U.S. in 2010 were heart disease, obesity, cancer, infectious disease, cancer, TB, HIV/AIDS, lower respiraratory tract infections, COPD, Flu and Depression), many of which can be helped through lifestyle changes?

why force everyone to have car insurance....why should i have to pay for all the bad drivers out there

also the aca was written three years ago...it has to be implemented at some point....the tea party just wants to delay it so they have another year to try and abolish it...the aca certainly is not perfect but before it can be tweaked or even overhauled we need to see it in action...which brings us to the real issue at hand....the republicans are deathly afraid that it will by and large be a popular program that works...this is their worst nightmare

all that said i proposed a deal yesterday....the senate passes a budget that gets rid of the aca...and i mean gone obliterated forever not delayed not partially implemented but blown up...but also included in the same deal is a repeal of the second amendment

i think thats fair and gives something to both sides

You have to purchase car insurance so that if you hit someone else, they are covered.  You don't have to purchase insurance for your own car and can self-insure.

im a great driver (a healthy person) and ive never gotten in an accident (been sick) in my life....why do i need car insurance (health insurance)??

so are you down with no aca in exchange for repealing the second amendment....that's fair isn't it?

[Sgt PSN]

so are you down with no aca in exchange for repealing the second amendment....that's fair isn't it?

As laughable as this is, lets just pretend for a minute that Obama would consider it.  Obama's 2 options are:

a:  Be the POTUS that the GOP/GOP supporters hate for universal health care

b:  Be the POTUS that the GOP/GOP supporters/law abiding gun owners hate for abolishing the 2nd. 

There are millions of moderate/progressive/liberal voters in this country who support the 2nd amendment that he'd alienate with that.  In other words, be hated by the majority or be hated by the few. 

[phillycrew]

Why should the young and healthy be forced to subsidize the sickly (top 10 illnesses in U.S. in 2010 were heart disease, obesity, cancer, infectious disease, cancer, TB, HIV/AIDS, lower respiraratory tract infections, COPD, Flu and Depression), many of which can be helped through lifestyle changes?

why force everyone to have car insurance....why should i have to pay for all the bad drivers out there

also the aca was written three years ago...it has to be implemented at some point....the tea party just wants to delay it so they have another year to try and abolish it...the aca certainly is not perfect but before it can be tweaked or even overhauled we need to see it in action...which brings us to the real issue at hand....the republicans are deathly afraid that it will by and large be a popular program that works...this is their worst nightmare

all that said i proposed a deal yesterday....the senate passes a budget that gets rid of the aca...and i mean gone obliterated forever not delayed not partially implemented but blown up...but also included in the same deal is a repeal of the second amendment

i think thats fair and gives something to both sides

You have to purchase car insurance so that if you hit someone else, they are covered.  You don't have to purchase insurance for your own car and can self-insure.

im a great driver (a healthy person) and ive never gotten in an accident (been sick) in my life....why do i need car insurance (health insurance)??

so are you down with no aca in exchange for repealing the second amendment....that's fair isn't it?

You realize that you don't need auto insurance correct?  Do you pay a fee ($695) if you don't have auto insurance?  Go take the bus or subway.  Also, you can post a bond with DMV in lieu of insurance.

How about we will give you universal healthcare, free pre-school and immigration (which means the presidency for perpetuity) in exchange for no abortions, no welfare, assisted suicide or death penalty.  Deal?

[phillycrew]

OR I get to chase fatties with my shotgun to make them exercise and I get to knock the fast food out of their hands.  Deal?

[phillycrew]

But, again, that's already how health care works in this country. The healthy peoples premiums are used to pay for the sick people. that's what happens when you run a for profit health care industry

Healthy people pay less for health insurance than unhealthy under individual policies.  You are correct that for group health policies, the healthy or young will pay higher actuarial rates to cover for the old and sick.

[phillycrew]

There has to be an individual mandate because that was the entire point of the bill...to either get everyone health insurance, or make those people that don't have it pay something into the system. that way, when they get hurt and can't pay the bill, the taxpayers aren't picking up 100% of the tab.

Of course, a public option would have been much better.

You do realize that this bill doesn't work without deep subsidies from the government to the poor to pay their bill?  Your concern for the taxpayer is noted however not substantiated with facts.

[Seabiscuit36]

The Ted Cruz boner is deflating on the GOP side according to sources

[PhillyPhreak54]

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[Rome]

Taxpayer:  I don't have children so why do I have to pay property school taxes??

Me:  You don't have to pay school taxes.  Just sell your house.