Rest of Baseball 2011

[Rome]

Or the boozers, brawlers or guys who played before 1947.   HOF is a crock indeed.   The worst part is having fat sanctimonious gasbags like Conlin holding the keys.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Don't kid yourselves.  Bonds and McGwire are not getting in, and it's a travashamamockery.

[SD]

So there are people who actually believe that the HoF is roid free?

Should we also cancel out all the guys who didn't have to play against black folk?

If you're referring to me no I don't believe the HOF is roid free. If people used them during the offseason to recover or bulk up a little so be it, steroids aren't harmful unless they're abused. People like Mcgwire/Palmeiro/Sosa/Giambi/Bonds completely abused them and would not have come close to putting up the stats they did without them.

[rjs246]

Nobody knows that. I seriously dislike cheaters when it comes to professional sports. I'm like a frigging child in that regard. I want sports to represent pure competition and the best/smartest/luckiest winning on any given day. But this whole steroid HOF thing is retarded. I would rather have 1000 people who did steroids elected to the HOF than stiff one deserving player out of being eleceted because of some misguided crusade to make a point.

[MDS]

no one argue thats

but because they took steroids the holier than thou writers shouldnt punish the supposed guilty parties (like bagwell) just because they did. its not their job to be the morality police. its their job to judge the player and judge the numbers and say you are worthy of being in the hall.

steroids or no steroids all those guys should get in. they didnt break any rule. you want someone to blame, do so to selig and don fehr for allowing it to happen.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

People like Mcgwire/Palmeiro/Sosa/Giambi/Bonds completely abused them and would not have come close to putting up the stats they did without them.

False.  Typing this was the biggest mistake you've made in your life.


OK, maybe not.  But it's still really stupid.

[SD]

Sorry but that's my opinion and I don't expect or care if you or anyone else agrees with it. Once upon a time steroids were used to heal muscles and to add strength. Then they were abused.

Speaking of roiders, anyone see this story in Philly.com today about our old pal Nails/Dude/I consider myself an ex-Met:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110104_Dykstra_still_a_deadbeat_.html

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Any "escort" that does all of the following deserves this fate:
-goes out with Lenny Dykstra
-accepts a check from anybody
-goes public
-expects said public to believe no sex was involved for $1000


But seriously, Bonds alone is probably one of the most talented players to ever play the game.  He was an incredible defensive player and had a ton of speed before the roids allowed him to hit a lot of homers, and he was always a great contact hitter.  Saying that he would not have been good without roids is an opinion but one that is hard to find any basis for at all.

[Sgt PSN]

Bonds won an MVP or 2 before roids and had 30ish hr/season power.  He never would have sniffed 755 without the juice, but he almost certainly would have eclipsed 500. 

Sosa will probably never get in and I don't think Giambi will either.  Palmeiro has an outside shot although I don't think he deserves to go because even though he has numbers, he's pretty much the least memorable player to hit 500 hr in my lifetime and probably ever. Seriously.....does anyone ever think to themselves "Man, I loved watching Raffy play."  No. 

[Rome]

Who cares if they used PED's?

It's like Maximus in Gladiator when Crowe screams to the crowd: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

farg yeah I was entertained and I couldn't care less what those mensas injected themselves with to entertain me.

[Sgt PSN]

I definitely care about it.  I want to watch athletes on the field, no science projects. 

However, I don't think you ban them from the HOF or anything like that.  Guys like McGwire and Bonds should get in because they had plenty of talent before they juiced and were already HOF'ers to begin with.  Then you've got guys like Giambi and Palmeiro who put up big numbers but both of them put those numbers up in the least memorable way possible.  I'm not down on either of those guys because they did roids.  I'm down on them because they weren't that exciting to watch and they didn't do anything memorable during their careers.   

[SD]

Who cares if they used PED's?

It's like Maximus in Gladiator when Crowe screams to the crowd: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

farg yeah I was entertained and I couldn't care less what those mensas injected themselves with to entertain me.

When you're talking about records and who should get into the HOF everyone who likes baseball should care. Abusing roids is cheating and gives the people who take them a clear edge.

But seriously, Bonds alone is probably one of the most talented players to ever play the game.  He was an incredible defensive player and had a ton of speed before the roids allowed him to hit a lot of homers, and he was always a great contact hitter.  Saying that he would not have been good without roids is an opinion but one that is hard to find any basis for at all.

Out of the people I listed I think Bonds is the only one who would have gotten in if he didn't take roids. Palmeiro was a good player but he didn't have HOF numbers, Sosa was streaky but nothing special etc.

Edit: And maybe McGwire but I'd say he's borderline

[Rome]

I swear to God there isn't a player who has ever lived who HASN'T cheated to one degree or another.

Whether it's stealing signs or juicing up or greasing the ball or loading a bat or not touching the bag on a double play throw from second to first, they've all farging cheated.

Pointing at PED's as a litmus test of Hall eligibility is simply absurd.   More than that, it's farging hypocrisy of the worst kind.

[MDS]

Willie Mays stole signs all the god damn time at the Polo Grounds. What a fraud. KICK HIM OUT.

[ice grillin you]

are you kidding sarge?

minus the roids palmeiro would be and should be a mortal lock...the farging guy has 500 homers AND 3000 hits...obviously the question is would he have gotten their roids free...but from what you are saying it sounds like you wouldnt put him in anyway...if 500 and 3000 doesnt get you in then farging close the building down