Rest of Baseball 2011

[SD]

I swear to God there isn't a player who has ever lived who HASN'T cheated to one degree or another.

Whether it's stealing signs or juicing up or greasing the ball or loading a bat or not touching the bag on a double play throw from second to first, they've all farging cheated.

Pointing at PED's as a litmus test of Hall eligibility is simply absurd.   More than that, it's farging hypocrisy of the worst kind.

There are different levels of cheating and breaking the law. If a store clerk gave me too much change back and I didn't say anything, that's cheating the store. If I pulled a Madoff and ripped people off, in your analysis there's no difference between that and not fessing up about the extra money the store gave you. There are different levels to everything. Missing a bag or stealing an occassional sign is one thing, taking ridiculous amounts of roids and putting up record breaking numbers is another.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Let's also not forget that the McGwire/Sosa home run race saved baseball after the strike.

[SD]

So they should be put into the HOF because they saved baseball after the strike? I don't see the relevance.

[MDS]

we cant pick and choose what aspects of history we want to remember

what happened....happened. joe jackson bet on baseball. kind of. pete rose actually did. mcgwire, sosa, bonds, etc. quasi-cheated. they were all great players regardless. they should be in, but their career achievements (bad and good) should be on their plaque.

its a baseball history museum, not a select representation of the feel goodery that baseball can be 

[SD]

I agree, the HOF should have no standards. Screw everyone, let them all in. Maybe McGwire makes it in but it's obvious the HOF committee agrees with my stance. So there's that.

[ice grillin you]

i could see not caring about cheaters in football or basketball but baseballs foundation is built on statistics and once those become meaningless the sport might as well not exist....its also the only HOF worth a damn

i would put a committee together to determine when the steriod era was...put players who used on the committe coaches gm's strength coaches ect....anyone and everyone who could come up with a time period of when steriods became out of control in the game

once that time frame is determined any and all players who played 75% of their career during it dont get in

in other words just ban the steroid era from existence

[BigEd76]

Matt Garza is going to the Cubs in an 8-player trade

[Rome]

Tampa is a farging disgrace.   Sell the team and gtfo.

[BigEd76]

Garza, Fernando Perez (the speedy runner in the 9th inning of the Phils' WS clincher) and a minor league pitcher for 3 of the Cubs' top 10 prospects (not a great system), a 3-yr backup OF and a guy that's been in their minor league system for 10 years

[Rome]

I agree, the HOF should have no standards. Screw everyone, let them all in. Maybe McGwire makes it in but it's obvious the HOF committee agrees with my stance. So there's that.

McGwire would have been a HOF player if he stayed healthy anyway.  Dude hit 49 HR's in 1987 without the juice.   Bonds won 3 MVP's before morphing into a silverback gorilla.   Roids made their numbers absurd but both were HOF's without it.  


It doesn't matter to me anyway.   I loved 1997 and still remember watching McGwire hitting number 70 at the Carousel in Sea Isle.  The fact that he was jacked when he did it doesn't make the memory any less thrilling, SD.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Tampa is a farging disgrace. 

The city, or the team?  Either way, yes.

[Rome]

Tampa is a shteinhole.   The beach areas are amazing though.

[SD]

I agree, the HOF should have no standards. Screw everyone, let them all in. Maybe McGwire makes it in but it's obvious the HOF committee agrees with my stance. So there's that.

McGwire would have been a HOF player if he stayed healthy anyway.  Dude hit 49 HR's in 1987 without the juice.   Bonds won 3 MVP's before morphing into a silverback gorilla.   Roids made their numbers absurd but both were HOF's without it.  


It doesn't matter to me anyway.   I loved 1997 and still remember watching McGwire hitting number 70 at the Carousel in Sea Isle.  The fact that he was jacked when he did it doesn't make the memory any less thrilling, SD.

actually it was 1998 and I agree it was one of the most memorable years in baseball history even though the Phillies were absolutely atrocious. Not only was there the homerun race, David Wells threw a perfect game, and the Yanks and Padres played in the WS (I was in SD at the time). Regardless, just because it was a memorable year doesn't mean squat when arguing whether Mcgwire should be in the HOF. And how do you know he wasn't on roids when he hit 49 HRs? Canseco was already on the team at that point.

[Don Ho]

Tampa is a farging disgrace.   Sell the team and gtfo.

Disgrace is right.  Can the bums cash in on this fire sale?

[MDS]

I agree, the HOF should have no standards. Screw everyone, let them all in. Maybe McGwire makes it in but it's obvious the HOF committee agrees with my stance. So there's that.

congrats?

again, its not about standards.

hitler, stalin and bush are all over history museums. not good people, right? well i guess they dont have any standards.

its not about what you catch feelings over or who you think was in the right. these players existed. they did what they did. we cant simply eliminate select portions of history because they dont adhere to our lofty standards of personal conduct.