Can We All Finally Agree Donovan Needs To Burn In Hell (even you phreak)

[Munson]

Your post about Cunningham was spot on.

i know it was.  otherwise i wouldn't have said it.  not sure how you can be in agreement with me though since you were like 4 the last time randall even suited up for the eagles, much less when he was in his prime with them.  watching old game tape in the rape basement, are we?  

So is mine.

your post was anything but spot on, especially this part:  

It's the hate filled fools on here that want to blame everything on him that think him being gone will somehow turn Reid into a super bowl winning coach.

i have not seen a single person here say that they think reid is going to win a super bowl without mcnabb.  if such a post does exist, please direct me to the author so i can skullfarg him/her.

I can promise you that won't be with Kevin Kolb throwing 65% of the time. If they get lucky and land a better QB, or if Reid balances out the play calling, then maybe.

so what you're saying is that with a better qb and more balanced playcalling, the eagles might win a super bowl.  thanks for the insiders info, sport.

Cunningham pretty much takes up most of my first memories of the Eagles.

Everyone here seems to think that getting rid of McNabb=getting better, either next year or in the next couple of years. Now I would hope that getting better=getting a Super Bowl, otherwise what's the point of getting rid of McNabb? Because...


As stated, Kolb aint winning in this offense as is right now and unless they have a plan in place to get a better QB...Reid's not winning a Super Bowl.


You either overhaul the play calling with McNabb, overhaul the play calling with Kolb, or keep it as is and get a guy who has pinpoint accuracy and cool under pressure/can move around in the pocket. McNabb's got that 3rd intangible, that's about it.

[ice grillin you]

Would a couple or three seasons of close but no cigar be OK using Cobbsy? For me yep, as I'm at the point where that is preferable to stasis. I believe a new QB will force a change to ReidCos game plan. To me this is what is needed. Reid ain't going nowhere. Losing McNabb brings some trepidation, but it needs to be done and the cowpuke ass raping brings it sooner IMO.

game plan isnt getting changed with cobb...new orleans he threw the ball over 50 times and yes they were getting blown out the whole day but even in the kc game when they were doing the blowing out he still threw it well over 30 times

thus the real question becomes how good can cobb be...the built in advantage here is his skill set is much more in sync with running a west coast offense...mcnabb has very few of the tools to run what reid wants to do...cobb has them all we just dont know if he can apply them in the nfl

what we do know is mcnabb is beat...he has shown for 11 years he cant do it whether it be his physical tools (inaccurate - cant get rid of the ball - big game failure) or his mental ones (pouty - blames everyone but himself - hates the fans - not a leader) the fact is he clearly isnt the answer

if the eagles had no one in the pipeline and we were all scouring the potential FA quarterback lists and the options were tavaris jackson jake delhomme and jt o'sullivan it would be a different directive here..bring mcnabb back....but that isnt even close to what is happening here

the eagles have a young qb they drafted with a high pick who has been in the system for three years now is entering his contract year who sits behind a old struggling on his way down veteran qb....there is no more of a perfect storm than right now for cobb to be given the mantle

re-do his contract into a new three or four year deal that has massive incentives if he becomes a bonafied nfl starter...then have him come into camp as the #1 guy getting the #1 snaps and let see what we have

its not like the eagles are a superbowl contender...their defense is in complete shambles and is a unit that cant be fixed in one offseason...so really what is the point of going with mcnabb again...to try and win a fraudulant 9 - 10 -11 games again and go out in the first round or could be much worse and they implode and miss the playoffs completely...then what?

its a much better plan to see what you have with cobb and start to let him form a relationship with all these young weapons and hopefully by the time he is running a superbowl contender offense the defense will have caught up

[Sgt PSN]

Your post about Cunningham was spot on.

i know it was.  otherwise i wouldn't have said it.  not sure how you can be in agreement with me though since you were like 4 the last time randall even suited up for the eagles, much less when he was in his prime with them.  watching old game tape in the rape basement, are we? 

So is mine.

your post was anything but spot on, especially this part: 

It's the hate filled fools on here that want to blame everything on him that think him being gone will somehow turn Reid into a super bowl winning coach.

i have not seen a single person here say that they think reid is going to win a super bowl without mcnabb.  if such a post does exist, please direct me to the author so i can skullfarg him/her.

I can promise you that won't be with Kevin Kolb throwing 65% of the time. If they get lucky and land a better QB, or if Reid balances out the play calling, then maybe.

so what you're saying is that with a better qb and more balanced playcalling, the eagles might win a super bowl.  thanks for the insiders info, sport.

Cunningham pretty much takes up most of my first memories of the Eagles.

Everyone here seems to think that getting rid of McNabb=getting better, either next year or in the next couple of years. Now I would hope that getting better=getting a Super Bowl, otherwise what's the point of getting rid of McNabb? Because...


As stated, Kolb aint winning in this offense as is right now and unless they have a plan in place to get a better QB...Reid's not winning a Super Bowl.


You either overhaul the play calling with McNabb, overhaul the play calling with Kolb, or keep it as is and get a guy who has pinpoint accuracy and cool under pressure/can move around in the pocket. McNabb's got that 3rd intangible, that's about it.

i don't think anyone around here thinks the eagles become super bowl legit without mcnabb.  it doesn't matter who is the qb because with the defense they are running out of the field right now, the eagles aren't going deep in the playoffs.  ever. 

so rebuild the defense and let kolb (or whoever) get some exp so that in a year or 2, he's ready for the postseason.

[NC_Eagle]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-it-time-for-the-Eagles-to-rid-themselves-of-D?urn=nfl,213341

Whoever wrote this is a farging moron.  What did you expect Reid to say?  "Yeah, I think we'll be shopping McNabb, let you know how that works out after I get off the phone with a few teams"?  And there's no reason to speculate on who the Eagles would replace him with.  Daunte Culpepper or Jeff Garcia?  The replacement is already on the roster.  Whether Kolb works or not is yet to be seen.  We may not know what Kolb is, but as DMF said, we know what McNabb isn't.  After 10 seasons, that's good enough for me.

Didn't mean to imply I agreed with that, just posting a relevant opinion piece. I have to agree with him though that we have a couple season of rebuilding left no matter who the QB is.

[Drunkmasterflex]

I don't think in today's NFL that any team takes a couple of seasons to rebuild.  If the Eagles were to add just a legit pass rusher opposite Cole their defense would be almost completely different just from changing that aspect.  I am not saying that fixes all their problems, but it would make a huge difference. 

[reese125]

its not like the eagles are a superbowl contender...their defense is in complete shambles and is a unit that cant be fixed in one offseason...so really what is the point of going with mcnabb again...to try and win a fraudulant 9 - 10 -11 games again and go out in the first round or could be much worse and they implode and miss the playoffs completely...then what?

what you just described is the basic formula for success in the heads of the eagles front office for over a decade. if the stars align and they somehow make the superbowl its a killer bonus

Ive come to the realization that they would rather toe that line, still gain huge amounts of revenue because of it, and make the biggest position change when its undoubtedly necessary.  In our eyes, its necessary for the progression of Kolb...in their eyes they risk a commercial mess

[ice grillin you]

they need at least one great linebacker....and really a minimum of two if you count bradley as having a lost season which if you go by the history of his injury he will...not sayin they need to replace bradley but if youre talking about remodeling this defense in one offseason he would need to be replaced because the best case scenario for his season would be to simply not get hurt again...him having a good year is pretty much out of the question

they need two safeties

they need one excellent defensive end...a simple upgrade wont do

the tackles are just ok and at best passable

even the corners which appeared to be the strength of the team fell apart by seasons end altho to be fair sheldon was hurt...but samuel is an overrated cancer and sheldon is in his 30's which is not good for any corner

and the overall depth on that side of the ball is atrocious so no help is coming from there

i dont see any way possible to overhaul this defense in the next six months

[Don Ho]

i dont see any way possible to overhaul this defense in the next six months

Well, there might be a way to do that.

[Father Demon]

Concerning the McNabb vs. Kolb debate for 2010:

It has been such a pressing issue that Bodog is floating a prop bet, offering gamblers a say in the matter. If McNabb is the starter in Game One of the 2010 regular season, bettors will be paid out at 1/5, and if it is Kevin Kolb, that reward bumps up to 7/2. There are no odds on whether or not Michael Vick will be the starter.

As for Vick:

Bodog has 1/1 odds that the Eagles will release him, 10/11 odds that they will trade him, and 13/4 odds that they keep him for the final year of his contract

[Drunkmasterflex]

they need at least one great linebacker....and really a minimum of two if you count bradley as having a lost season which if you go by the history of his injury he will...not sayin they need to replace bradley but if youre talking about remodeling this defense in one offseason he would need to be replaced because the best case scenario for his season would be to simply not get hurt again...him having a good year is pretty much out of the question

they need two safeties

they need one excellent defensive end...a simple upgrade wont do

the tackles are just ok and at best passable

even the corners which appeared to be the strength of the team fell apart by seasons end altho to be fair sheldon was hurt...but samuel is an overrated cancer and sheldon is in his 30's which is not good for any corner

and the overall depth on that side of the ball is atrocious so no help is coming from there

i dont see any way possible to overhaul this defense in the next six months

The one thing Bradley has going in his favor is that he injured himself so early last season.  That may help as far as how much he can contribute.  All I am saying is that if they got another stud DE opposite Cole, that would go a long way in improving their D. 

A strong pass rush without blitzing would mask some of the other problems.  We have all been beating the LB drum forever so I don't really expect much in that regard. 

[QB Eagles]

Donovan McNabb's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives

Note that this list contains a lot of games in which we can't feel great about McNabb's contribution... like that awful tie against Cincinnati last year.

[MDS]

how misleading are some of those? like the denver game he got 2 first downs and david akers kicked a field goal. way to go.

[General_Failure]

You're right. You should follow up on that research, sneak into NFL films, and find out how many of those game winning drives were under five plays. Find out how many quarterbacks were bailed out by a turnover, how many by a penalty, and how many by awesome special teams play. Go. We'll wait.

[Rome]

it's mostly nonsense but there is one stat from that link that was telling.  look at the number of rushes mcnabb had during each of those games.  when t.o. arrived he stopped running almost completely during games despite having a serious talent for it.

[SunMo]

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