Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Butchers Bill]

I support a wholesale withdrawal from Afghanistan, if anyone is keeping track.

We can fight terrorism better without occupying.

Agreed.

Does Obama have the cojones to pull out?  I don't think he does.

[Diomedes]

I don't think any U.S. politician alive has the backbone to do that.

[Rome]

Ron Paul would pull us out.

He's a loony farg, though, so whatever good he would do would be offset tenfold by lunacy otherwise.

[Diomedes]

So might Kucinich I suppose. 

But whatever.  Yay groupthink.

[ice grillin you]

I support a wholesale withdrawal from Afghanistan, if anyone is keeping track.

We can fight terrorism better without occupying.

absolutely

the taliban doesnt give two fargs about us if we leave their land and al queda isnt going to change no matter what we do...so just get the farg out and start spending all the money on protecting our homeland borders and soft targets

[Sgt PSN]

I support a wholesale withdrawal from Afghanistan, if anyone is keeping track.

afghanistan is a little tricky, especially in comparison with iraq which never should have happened in the first place.  it's definitely more "justifiable" to be over there but i can't say i disagree. 

We can fight terrorism better without occupying.

you really can't fight terrorism at all.  you can only hope to stay vigilant in your defense and protective measures against it......which will still never be iron clad.  the only way terrorism only goes away is if all people magically start believing in the same things. 

[ATV]

They were not there on some sort of humanitarian mission, or to "nation build" (which by the way is one of the most ridiculous phrases ever).  They were there to secure their own interests, not those of the Afgan people and slaughtered hundreds of thousands if not millions to do it.

LOL - And we didn't invade Iraq to secure our own interests?

[ATV]

[Diomedes]

you really can't fight terrorism at all.  you can only hope to stay vigilant in your defense and protective measures against it......which will still never be iron clad.  the only way terrorism only goes away is if all people magically start believing in the same things. 

I think the smartest way to fight terrorism is to recognize that you're fighting criminals, not a war.  You put your resources into prevention and security, as you mentioned, and into intelligence and crime fighting, rather than into invading and holding land.  We know who the terrorists are for the most part and there's no reason we can't hound these people across the globe without holding entire countries in war.

Have any of you read this?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13944018/Matthew-Hoh-Resignation-Letter

[Rome]

The best way to fight terrorists is to seek them out, kill them, kill their families, their friends and everyone they've ever been associated with.   The difference between us and them is we seek to avoid collateral damage while they seek to inflict as much as possible.  farg 'em.   Kill 'em all and make them suffer.  Once they become afraid of farging with us they'll turn their attentions elsewhere, and once that happens, it becomes someone else's problem, not ours.

[Sgt PSN]

you really can't fight terrorism at all.  you can only hope to stay vigilant in your defense and protective measures against it......which will still never be iron clad.  the only way terrorism only goes away is if all people magically start believing in the same things. 

I think the smartest way to fight terrorism is to recognize that you're fighting criminals, not a war.  You put your resources into prevention and security, as you mentioned, and into intelligence and crime fighting, rather than into invading and holding land.  We know who the terrorists are for the most part and there's no reason we can't hound these people across the globe without holding entire countries in war.

completely agree

Have any of you read this?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13944018/Matthew-Hoh-Resignation-Letter

i have now and aside from being the longest, whiniest resignation letter ever written, it's also full of the truth. 

The best way to fight terrorists is to seek them out, kill them, kill their families, their friends and everyone they've ever been associated with.   The difference between us and them is we seek to avoid collateral damage while they seek to inflict as much as possible.  farg 'em.   Kill 'em all and make them suffer.  Once they become afraid of farging with us they'll turn their attentions elsewhere, and once that happens, it becomes someone else's problem, not ours.

there's no way you actually believe any of that other than the us trying to avoid collateral damage.  taking that approach will only have a "hydra" effect.  cut off a head and 2 will grow back in it's place.  going after friends, families etc will only push non-terrorists into becoming terrorists. 

[phillymic2000]

I support a wholesale withdrawal from Afghanistan, if anyone is keeping track.

We can fight terrorism better without occupying.

Agreed.

Does Obama have the cojones to pull out?  I don't think he does.

What? he has said that is the right war hasn't he?

[shorebird]

I support a wholesale withdrawal from Afghanistan, if anyone is keeping track.

We can fight terrorism better without occupying.

Agreed.

Does Obama have the cojones to pull out?  I don't think he does.

What? he has said that is the right war hasn't he?

Yes he has, and no, he's not pulling out.

I've always said that the money being spent overseas should be put towards protecting our own borders.

[Butchers Bill]

They were not there on some sort of humanitarian mission, or to "nation build" (which by the way is one of the most ridiculous phrases ever).  They were there to secure their own interests, not those of the Afgan people and slaughtered hundreds of thousands if not millions to do it.

LOL - And we didn't invade Iraq to secure our own interests?

And that has what to do with your moronic statement that the Soviets invaded Afghanistan to help the Afghans?

[ATV]

And that has what to do with your moronic statement that the Soviets invaded Afghanistan to help the Afghans?

I'll sit here patiently while you dig up my quote where I said the Soviets invaded Afghanistan to help the Afghans.