Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ATV]

You're right, they were the Mujihadeen. Same shtein, different name.

[fansince61]

No technically about it.

So you're saying the "Founding fathers":
              Blew up out houses with black powder?
              Flew kites with lamp oil into tree houses?
              Sent suicide minutemen into farmers markets?

Did you learn this in school or "on the internet"?
                                                                 

[Sgt PSN]

There's no generally agreed upon definition of terrorism as of yet, but I still feel like you guys have no idea what it is.

lmao, you idiot.  what did you do, look it up on wiki?  because if i copy your post and paste it in my google search bar, it's exactly the same as the first line in the wiki article on it except you used "generally" in lieu of "internationally."

and while there might not be a set, by-the-book "definition" on what terrorism is, a terrorist's motives are based on 3 basic principles:

political
religious
ideological

the founding fathers of this country basically fell under all 3 categories when they decided to break away from the brittish empire and form an independent nation.  they didn't take aggressive, violent actions towards the brits, but they were still viewed as radicals and terrorists none the less. 

then of course there's whole slavery thing and wiping out a nation of indiginous people thing that they did too, both of which could be considered acts of terrorism.  especially the latter. 

but what do i know about all this stuff?  it's not like i worked counter-terrorism for 4 years.  instead, i will simply defer to your worldly experience and subject matter expertise on the subject.  enlighten me please. 

[General_Failure]

                                                                  Flew kites with lamp oil into tree houses?

That's the first intentionally funny thing you've ever said here. We should throw a party!

[Sgt PSN]

No technically about it.

So you're saying the "Founding fathers":  Blew up out houses with black powder?
                                                                  Flew kites with lamp oil into tree houses?
                                                                  Sent suicide minutemen into farmers markets?

Did you learn this in school or "on the internet"?
                                                                   

terrorism does not solely consist of acts of violence.  see my above post to see why the founding fathers would have been considered terrorsts. 

[fansince61]

PSN...If the people of a nation/state have to agree with the governing power on political, religious and ideological grounds or they are terrorists, then everyone on this web site is a terrorist (except the Obama adminstration of course).

Terrorist use terror.  The maiming or killing of innocent people to scare electorate so as to force the minority terrorist view upon the governing body using fear.  IMO

[Seabiscuit36]

Israel is a terrorist state, so is the US

[General_Failure]

Maybe New Jersey.

[ice grillin you]

im pretty sure you have to be black or brown to be a terrorist dont you?

altho small pock infested blankets gotta be kinda close to the definition

[Sgt PSN]

PSN...If the people of a nation/state have to agree with the governing power on political, religious and ideological grounds or they are terrorists, then everyone on this web site is a terrorist (except the Obama adminstration of course).

disagreeing with politics/religion/ideals doesn't make you a terrorist.  but if a group of americans attempted to break free of the union (see the confederacy) then the us would take the same approach as the brits did on the colonials.....war.  the word "terrorist" is a newer word in our vocabulary.  obviously the colonial and confederates weren't actually referred to as terrorists, but they were considered radicals, which is often synomous with terrorist, and their attempts to break away and form their own governments did scare (aka terrorize) the governing body they were trying to seperate from. 

Terrorist use terror.  The maiming or killing of innocent people to scare electorate so as to force the minority terrorist view upon the governing body using fear.  IMO

yes, they use terror.  but terror is not achieved solely through violent acts.  it can also be the threat or percieved threat of a violent act as well.  bomb threats, phone calls, anonymous letters, etc etc are all non violent forms of terror. 

im pretty sure you have to be black or brown to be a terrorist dont you?

altho small pock infested blankets gotta be kinda close to the definition

i know  you're joking but at the same time, there are plenty of people out there (maybe even some on this board) who actually do think that only people from the middle east can be terrorists or that terrorists are all foriegners, which is totally not true.

the unibomber, timothy mcveigh or the nut jobs who blow up abortion clinics are also terrorists.   

[ice grillin you]

i know  you're joking but at the same time, there are plenty of people out there (maybe even some on this board) who actually do think that only people from the middle east can be terrorists or that terrorists are all foriegners.   

yeah its called middle america

[bowzer]

im pretty sure you have to be black or brown to be a terrorist dont you?

altho small pock infested blankets gotta be kinda close to the definition

IGY.. you are the most racist person on this board.. give it a break please.

[mpmcgraw]

There's no generally agreed upon definition of terrorism as of yet, but I still feel like you guys have no idea what it is.

lmao, you idiot.  what did you do, look it up on wiki?  because if i copy your post and paste it in my google search bar, it's exactly the same as the first line in the wiki article on it except you used "generally" in lieu of "internationally."

and while there might not be a set, by-the-book "definition" on what terrorism is, a terrorist's motives are based on 3 basic principles:

political
religious
ideological

the founding fathers of this country basically fell under all 3 categories when they decided to break away from the brittish empire and form an independent nation.  they didn't take aggressive, violent actions towards the brits, but they were still viewed as radicals and terrorists none the less.  

then of course there's whole slavery thing and wiping out a nation of indiginous people thing that they did too, both of which could be considered acts of terrorism.  especially the latter.  

but what do i know about all this stuff?  it's not like i worked counter-terrorism for 4 years.  instead, i will simply defer to your worldly experience and subject matter expertise on the subject.  enlighten me please.  

The founding fathers did not wipe out the Indians hahaha.  You are only a little over a half a century off, but really close.  Andrew Jackson was not a founding father.

Sure their motivations were the same, but their actions were hardly the same.  Save for a few militia groups the rebels generally followed the rules of war and obviously did not target civilians.  They also had popular opinion and it wasn't really close after Common Sense.  It was closer to a civil war than terrorism really, but of course the definition of terrorism has been stretched to an extreme extent over the past 8 years to fit agendas so whatever.

And you should be punched in the face for thinking the founding fathers were religious.  Some of the most influential of them were the most radically thinking people of their time when it came to religion.  Thomas Jefferson rewrote the farging bible for christ sake and took out what he considered to be fairy tales, which was pretty much everything about Jesus FWIW.

If they were religious, it seems they followed the church of John Locke more than any other diety.

Right now my major is political science and that came from mah book, but I do luv me sum wikipedia.

[mpmcgraw]

I'm also baffled by the listing of political and ideological as two seperate motivations so if you could explain that one too I would appreash.

[MDS]

oh god, mike, just stop. stop. you cant win this. just stop.