Brian Dawkins, ex-Eagle

Started by The BIGSTUD, February 27, 2009, 04:51:33 PM

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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Eagaholic on February 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.

I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.

How do you end it positively if you really don't think the guy can get it done on the field anymore, but he wants to play?

General_Failure

You know what? The defense sucked last year. Horrible from top to bottom. If that was the best they could do with chemistry, then farg 'em all. Cut everybody, replace the whole defensive coaching staff. Bury the playbook in a grave full of salt.

6th most points allowed while allowing the third fewest yards. Jesus farging Christ.

The man. The myth. The legend.

dis12

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Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 07:39:49 PM
Ok, so does anyone actually wish he were still on the team because of the way he's able to play at this phase in his career?  Are we going to keep talking about "respect" and "feelings" and the big meanies in the FO?

Seriously.
Players on this team need to have more than just talent.  They need to have a winning and competitive attitude as well.  This city appreciates players who show that they have a 'never say die' attitude.  I'm not talk in about Priam donas, just interface desire to play the game at it's highest level, and to the player's utmost potential.   
This decision by the FO can be demoralizing from a leadership standpoint, and can have repercussion that could jeopardize other player's opinions as to whether to come to this team. 
Money is important, but not when it comes at the expense of the team's success.

Seriously!

this is what I mean: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80e4dfd0
C6 at the WAC

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bowzer

We let Dawkins go, and Hanson makes more than Sheldon?

The BIGSTUD

When one leader dies, another is born.

Calling it right on the $ since day one.
Just pointing laughing, and living it up while watching the Miami Heat stink it up.

Eagaholic

Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.

I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.

How do you end it positively if you really don't think the guy can get it done on the field anymore, but he wants to play?

Well, I don't know if there is any great way to do that, which is why I said as positively as possible, but I do think honesty is the most important thing. I'm sure players like him easily sense BS and if AR does the hiding thing like he did when he benched McNabb, then it really sours everything  on Dawkins' part.  Reid and Lurie should meet him eye to eye and be sincere, and genuinely convey their respect for him and appreciation for all he has done. It's not perfect  but it should go a long way toward softening the bitterness and negativity that otherwise tends to happen.

dreamdestroyer

Holy shtein!! I sure am glad I started coming here!


Quote from: dis12 on February 28, 2009, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 07:39:49 PM
Ok, so does anyone actually wish he were still on the team because of the way he's able to play at this phase in his career?  Are we going to keep talking about "respect" and "feelings" and the big meanies in the FO?

Seriously.
Players on this team need to have more than just talent.  They need to have a winning and competitive attitude as well.  This city appreciates players who show that they have a 'never say die' attitude.  I'm not talk in about Priam donas, just interface desire to play the game at it's highest level, and to the player's utmost potential.   
This decision by the FO can be demoralizing from a leadership standpoint, and can have repercussion that could jeopardize other player's opinions as to whether to come to this team. 
Money is important, but not when it comes at the expense of the team's success.

Seriously!




ice grillin you

Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2009, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 04:10:12 PMeagles had a chance to do right by the fans and they chose to instead spit on them
Dawk is probably the most beloved of all the guys that have left in the Lurie/Banner era, but how is this year different from any other? 

you just answered your own question

you really dont see a difference btwn letting jeremiah trotter or troy vincent go and being 40 miliion under ths cap and letting brian dawkins go?
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

ice grillin you

Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.

I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.

How do you end it positively if you really don't think the guy can get it done on the field anymore, but he wants to play?


this has nothing to do with his on the field play...and you end it positively by signing him for one dollar more (or one dollar less cause he would have taken it) than the broncos offered...then if he sucks you bench him...you really think the eagles front office is that much smarter than the broncos...im sure you do because youre a money grubbing rich people managment first guy who looks only at the bottom dollar...shocking you would side with the FO

i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Eagaholic

Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 07:39:49 PM
Ok, so does anyone actually wish he were still on the team because of the way he's able to play at this phase in his career?  Are we going to keep talking about "respect" and "feelings" and the big meanies in the FO?

Seriously.

you're still trying for that cap job, aren't you

Magical_Retard

Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 07:16:49 PM
Who gives a shtein what Vadgey McWhinersons thinks?

This was actually funny.

Marge: I have someone who can help you!
Homer: Is it BATMAN!!??
Marge: No hes a scientist
Homer: Batman is a scientist.
Marge: Its not BATMAN!

Magical_Retard

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.

I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.

How do you end it positively if you really don't think the guy can get it done on the field anymore, but he wants to play?


this has nothing to do with his on the field play...and you end it positively by signing him for one dollar more (or one dollar less cause he would have taken it) than the broncos offered...then if he sucks you bench him...you really think the eagles front office is that much smarter than the broncos...im sure you do because youre a money grubbing rich people managment first guy who looks only at the bottom dollar...shocking you would side with the FO



Apparently the Eagles know all. They know Dawkins fell of so much so that what we the fans saw in the final two months was a mirage and that by Sept 2009 he will have been reduced to being a cheerleader for the Broncos.

On a defense ranked third overall the problem was not Dawkins being a liability in coverage. The problem was the lack of a pass rush which forced them to blitz all the time and left Dawkins on a island one on one with a WR.

I hope Demps is actually good but right now the Eagles plan is simply what it always has been...they calculate and age money to let a player go, while not adequately replacing him with equal or superior talent.
Marge: I have someone who can help you!
Homer: Is it BATMAN!!??
Marge: No hes a scientist
Homer: Batman is a scientist.
Marge: Its not BATMAN!

ice grillin you

youre missing the point...it doesnt matter if dawkins is the worst safety in the nfl right now (and he obviously isnt)...you resign him...period
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Magical_Retard

No I am not. I agree with what your saying but I am trying to find a logical answer from the purely football/talent pov.

And there is no logical answer.
Marge: I have someone who can help you!
Homer: Is it BATMAN!!??
Marge: No hes a scientist
Homer: Batman is a scientist.
Marge: Its not BATMAN!

General_Failure

You don't make the face of your franchise sit on the bench. Maybe they learned that lesson when they tried it with the guy they wanted to be that face.

Dawkins would have started, and continued to get worse. Now he'll do it it Denver (until they bench him), and we won't have to think about it too much.

The man. The myth. The legend.