Lurie Article from the Boston Globe

Started by PhillyPhreak54, January 04, 2009, 11:08:03 AM

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ice grillin you

Quote from: Cerevant on January 04, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
So, what coach do you think would give the Eagles a better chance at winning the Super Bowl than Andy Reid?  What do you base that opinion on?

ummmm like shore said...his own special teams coach for starters?

brad childress is a better coach than andy reid and actually outcoached him today...the only thing seperating them was the on the field talent or the on the field lack of talent in the case of the vikes
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rjs246

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The point isn't that there is some specific person out there that would be better than Reid. The point is that being-good-enough-to-win-a-playoff-game-or-two-when-you-actually-make-the-playoffs isn't good enough. They need someone who can win it all. That someone could me you or me or anyone, but it isn't Reid.

Reid isn't good enough. Coming up with a specific person who I would like to replace him is irrelevant.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

ice grillin you

^^^
exactly


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igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Magical_Retard

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2009, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 04, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
So, what coach do you think would give the Eagles a better chance at winning the Super Bowl than Andy Reid?  What do you base that opinion on?

ummmm like shore said...his own special teams coach for starters?

brad childress is a better coach than andy reid and actually outcoached him today...the only thing seperating them was the on the field talent or the on the field lack of talent in the case of the vikes

Brad Childress is not a better coach than anyone. He gave the Eagles those first 3 pts. Any time Reid would make a bad call, Childress seemed to be ready to make a even dumber move.
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rjs246

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Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2009, 09:41:02 PM
i love people who like to settle

This is exactly the point I try to make to Andy Reid defenders. To a man they all say, "He's the winningest coach in franchise history and you want to get rid of him?" or "Who would be better?"

At this point anyone else would be better. Andy Reid is perfect if you want to settle for being respectable every year. 10 wins. 11 wins. 9 wins and a tie. Playoffs. A post season win or two. Sure, he can deliver that. He can't deliver a championship. His philosophy runs contrary to decades of proven championship strategy and his personnel decisions don't match his philosophy.

Anyone else would be better.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

stalker

Look, would you guys rather be a team like the Bucs, who won the SB and have rarely made the playoffs since? Sometimes I think yes but other times I like having SOMETHING to cheer for in January.
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Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Look, would you guys rather be a team like the Bucs, who won the SB and have rarely made the playoffs since?

Without question... YES.
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Cerevant

Let me clarify - I was responding to this quote:

Quote from: shorebird on January 04, 2009, 12:57:22 PM
For the life of me, I don't know how Lurie can say these things, much less believe them.

In short, you can't question Lurie's logic, because it is sound.  By every measure available to him, hiring any other available coach would make the team worse, not better.

Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years.  As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more.  So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

MadMarchHare

IMO, you're not a winning coach without the SB trophy, because no one gives a farg unless you win that game.

He hasn't won shtein yet.
Anyone but Reid.

ice grillin you

Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years.  As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more.  So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.


theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years

among them

gibbs
seifert
billick
switzer
walsh

i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Cerevant

My bad..that's what happens when I don't check the stats.

Ok...so 6 coaches have won a SB in their first 5 years.

6 out of 442
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ice grillin you

several rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

General_Failure

If we're going to look at trends, how many coaches that have lost a superbowl have later come back to win one?

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Diomedes

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:26:13 PMseveral rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal

yeh man, happens all the time
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