Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: MDS on April 02, 2008, 11:59:32 AM
winning the state would be great, it would all but knock hillary out. but at this point, hillary isnt going to pick up enough delegates to even make a difference. why the hell wont she just farging go away.

Apparently you didn't get the memo that she's just like ROCKY!

Cerevant

What's very interesting about that poll is something I've observed - all the smearing that Hillary and others have done only result in brief dips in his numbers.  The accusations do not stick to him.  What Hillary has done well is time those dips to coincide with the primaries - this is just the calm before the storm.  I expect a new (completely unfounded) accusation to show up on the 21st.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

ice grillin you

so are you enjoying following your first election?
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Cerevant

If you put the emphasis on following, then yes.  The primaries have generally followed the patter of the joke candidates falling out early, and then the best qualified has some scandal or BS (WTF was up with Dean's downfall?) that ends his campaign.  Two mediocre major party candidates stumble through the remainder of the campaign, a third party candidate disrupts the general election so the least popular of the three get the most votes.

Oh, and the Montgomery County board of elections sucks.  My wife received her absentee ballot two weeks ago, but mine never showed up (our requests were in the same envelope).  I called, and they said they would send another, now that the "official" ballots were available.  My original ballot arrived yesterday, with a stamp on the envelope:
"Saudi Post: Miss Sent to Saudi Arabia"
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

MadMarchHare

Middle East, Canada, an obvious mistake.  Both are full of Muslim terrorists, after all.....
Anyone but Reid.

shorebird

Quote from: Diomedes on April 02, 2008, 07:00:55 AM
Seems to me that the bulk of the anti immigrant rhetoric is thinly veiled racism and a sort of spastic spoiled brat tempertantrum from people who think they deserve jobs by virtue of being American.  And a lot of the bile gets heaped directly on these poor bastiches who work like dogs for peanuts only to send most of it home to their families.  That's kinda like blaming the heroin addicts for the drug trade, ignoring the suppliers dealers and ineffective government.   Sure, heap all the blame on the folks least responsible and who benefit least from this scenario, that's a good idea.

Oh, you can bet your ass I blame the government for letting this get as far as it's has, and for unscrupulous business owners who knowingly employ illegals. Not one iota do I blame the workers, who half the time are taken advantage of because of thier situation.  There are good and bad in all walks of life, but a few I know are good people who have but one thing on thier mind, helping thier impoverished families. They think they have it great, and really could be making a lot more money for what they do. I'm supposed to turn in thier piece of crap boss and see them lose a lot more than thier jobs? I don't think so. I don't make the rules and it ain't up to me to enforce them.

Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2008, 07:59:38 AM
QuoteBut I guess it's alright for some to look the other way when it doesn't affect your line of work. No illegal is going to walk into your cubicle and take your job becuase he works for far less.

Horse shtein. Nearly every IT-related profession in this country has seen a massive influx of immigrants, many of which are definitely not citizens. My point is this: the taxes that illegal immigrants would pay does not outweigh the economic benefit that their cheap labor provides.

Horseshtein back atcha'. It's not all about the taxes. It's also about medicare for whole families, and subsidized housing. The three workers I talked about in my original post who came back to work with new ss#'s and names? They also have ss#'s for all six of thier kids. Hint: six kids are all you can claim on your taxes. Illigal immagrants cost this country millions every year, and thats only the ones that have ss#'s and pay taxes or turn in thier 1099's. You'll just have to pay regular prices or grow your own friggen' tomatos.

QuoteMind you, I don't care about the economic side of things. I think people should be allowed to come to this country, easily become citizens if they want, get jobs and try to survive no matter what their citizen status. I don't feel infringed upon when other people try to make their own lives better. Call me crazy.

I'd probably have to get in line.

QuoteBut since the fear-mongers seem to harp on taxes and the economic impact (in spite of the fact that racism is probably just as much of a factor) I'm here to tell you that I don't believe for one second that kicking illegal immigrants out, or forcing them to become citizens and pay taxes would make a lick of positive difference to the economy and I'd bet that it would actually cause prices of many service industries to rise significantly, impacting the rest of our every day lives.

It might not make a difference in your world. It would in mind. And I'm not saying kick them out. Just make it legal. We are all "forced to pay taxes" every year. Why should people who aren't legal citizens be any different?!? Do you hear yourself?? Your saying it's alright for someone else not to have to pay taxes while you do, because they provide cheap labor!! Talk about the radical left. ::)

QuoteWhatever, the bottom line is that I was raised to believe that this country provides everyone with an opportunity to live and succeed and be free to better their lives and be happy. Surrounding that ideal with bureaucratic bullshtein designed to keep the Mexicans out makes my ass twitch.

It's not bureaucratic bullshtein, it's facts, and your blind if you can't see it.

And why is it that when the radical left are shown actual facts of most situations involving any minority, they want to cry racism?

You guys can take your racism bullcrap and shove it. It don't fly.


ice grillin you

i dvr'ed barry on hardball earlier tonight and am watching it now...hes really good so far...for anyone interested i think it repeats at 11
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PhillyPhreak54

Quote from: Diomedes on April 02, 2008, 07:00:55 AM
Seems to me that the bulk of the anti immigrant rhetoric is thinly veiled racism and a sort of spastic spoiled brat tempertantrum from people who think they deserve jobs by virtue of being American.  And a lot of the bile gets heaped directly on these poor bastiches who work like dogs for peanuts only to send most of it home to their families.  That's kinda like blaming the heroin addicts for the drug trade, ignoring the suppliers dealers and ineffective government.   Sure, heap all the blame on the folks least responsible and who benefit least from this scenario, that's a good idea.

Yep, you've nailed it here.

In my line of work I run across smaller/mid-size cabinet shops who employ guys illegally. But those guys in those shops bust their asses. And I have more than one owner tell me that they prefer those guys not because of the cheaper wages, but because they are always at work, always on time and always get the job done correctly and dont bitch about the little things.

PhillyPhreak54

Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2008, 07:59:38 AM
QuoteBut I guess it's alright for some to look the other way when it doesn't affect your line of work. No illegal is going to walk into your cubicle and take your job becuase he works for far less.

Horse shtein. Nearly every IT-related profession in this country has seen a massive influx of immigrants, many of which are definitely not citizens. My point is this: the taxes that illegal immigrants would pay does not outweigh the economic benefit that their cheap labor provides.

Mind you, I don't care about the economic side of things. I think people should be allowed to come to this country, easily become citizens if they want, get jobs and try to survive no matter what their citizen status. I don't feel infringed upon when other people try to make their own lives better. Call me crazy.

But since the fear-mongers seem to harp on taxes and the economic impact (in spite of the fact that racism is probably just as much of a factor) I'm here to tell you that I don't believe for one second that kicking illegal immigrants out, or forcing them to become citizens and pay taxes would make a lick of positive difference to the economy and I'd bet that it would actually cause prices of many service industries to rise significantly, impacting the rest of our every day lives.

Whatever, the bottom line is that I was raised to believe that this country provides everyone with an opportunity to live and succeed and be free to better their lives and be happy. Surrounding that ideal with bureaucratic bullshtein designed to keep the Mexicans out makes my ass twitch.

Again, you are right on much like Dio.

Where is the outrage directed towards the companies who outsource their labor? That is more of an issue than illegal immigrants working here, IMO.

Those people would pay taxes. They would gladly pay taxes if they were allowed to work here legally. Because even after tax deductions they would still be able to send home a large chunk of money to their families.

rjs246

Quote from: shorebird on April 02, 2008, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2008, 07:59:38 AM
Some stuff I said.
Some stuff you said.

I understand a lot of what you're saying. I even agree with some of it. What I'm saying is that I don't feel compelled to equate 'taxes' with 'being american'. In fact, I think that our system of taxation is farged-in-half awful. However, the fact that the rest of us are being dry-humped by our tax laws doesn't make me think that EVERYONE should be subjected to this dry-humping. I don't believe in 'misery loves company.'

I believe in miserable attitudes.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

Phanatic

Reagan solved this problem back in the 80's by giving out a massive amnesty didn't he? Oh... well don't tell that to the right wingers who think Reagan was the second coming of jebus...

This is a problem no doubt but spending billions on a border wall across Mexico is foolish isn't it? No border wall in history has ever really worked. Berlin, Great Wall, Hadrian, whatever. Building a wall is an ignorant solution to a complex problem.

To me that's really the problem. The Right wingers take a problem, dumb it down to its lowest common denominator and come up with an ignorant solution. Then the Left wing just points out the ignorance and no one does anything about the actual problem.
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shorebird

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2008, 11:39:16 PM
In my line of work I run across smaller/mid-size cabinet shops who employ guys illegally. But those guys in those shops bust their asses. And I have more than one owner tell me that they prefer those guys not because of the cheaper wages, but because they are always at work, always on time and always get the job done correctly and dont bitch about the little things.

Believe that if you want, I don't. If they are such valued employees, then why not pay them more?? I don't know what kind of cabinets they are building, because it makes a diff, but if they are bonafide custom cabinet mechanics, they should be getting in the neighborhood of 25-30 bucks and hr.

Quote from: rjs246 on April 03, 2008, 12:18:10 AM
Quote from: shorebird on April 02, 2008, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2008, 07:59:38 AM
Some stuff I said.
Some stuff you said.

I understand a lot of what you're saying. I even agree with some of it. What I'm saying is that I don't feel compelled to equate 'taxes' with 'being american'. In fact, I think that our system of taxation is farged-in-half awful. However, the fact that the rest of us are being dry-humped by our tax laws doesn't make me think that EVERYONE should be subjected to this dry-humping. I don't believe in 'misery loves company.'

I believe in miserable attitudes.

I understand what your saying also, we get assraped every year. I don't really have a solution, other than to just make them citizens. I just bitch. It's my way of showing my miserable attitude.

Sgt PSN

You're miserable attitude isn't as refreshing though. 

Philly Crew

"If you find faults with our country, make it a better one. If you are disappointed with the mistakes of government, join its ranks and work to correct them," he said in a call to citizen involvement aimed at a wider audience.

He said he hopes more Americans will enlist in the military or run for office.

"But there are many public causes where your service can make our country a stronger, better one than we inherited. Wherever there is a hungry child, a great cause exists. ... Wherever there is suffering, a great cause exists."

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PhillyGirl

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