Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[shorebird]

every issue is the most important issue to someone....but this is not a hot plate issue as far as the country goes...not even close...dont believe the hype

It's important to me, but not the most important by far.

i know whats more important than 4000 dead american soldiers and trillions of dollars going to waste---railroads.

Are you serious? Are you implying a mexican spreading mulch is more important to me than whats going on in Iraq?

[rjs246]

I don't understand how anyone who knows anything about the history of this country can get all uppity about immigrants trying to make a living and scratch out a life. They provide cheap labor and services which are necessary parts of any economy. Encourage them to become citizens all you want, but don't shut them out or think of them as people that are somehow stealing jobs. It doesn't make any farging sense. They are the embodiment of the american experience far more than any of the suburban, middle-class-picket-fence-nightmare-life douchebags who are screaming at the top of their lungs that the scary immigrants need to go.

Idiots on both sides of the political fence need to pick another topic to rail on because this one doesn't hold water.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I don't understand how anyone who knows anything about the history of this country can get all uppity about immigrants trying to make a living and scratch out a life. They provide cheap labor and services which are necessary parts of any economy. Encourage them to become citizens all you want, but don't shut them out or think of them as people that are somehow stealing jobs. It doesn't make any farging sense. They are the embodiment of the american experience far more than any of the suburban, middle-class-picket-fence-nightmare-life douchebags who are screaming at the top of their lungs that the scary immigrants need to go.

Idiots on both sides of the political fence need to pick another topic to rail on because this one doesn't hold water.

Be careful about saying uppity or that dumbass FreddiesDance orwhetever its name was will berate you like it did me.

And I agree with your statement 100%. This country was founded by farging immigrants. And unless you're a native american then your family tree started on a continent not named North America. People who get all wound up about this are retarded and not looking at the big picture and all the while not remembering the history.

If someone wants to come here to better themselves, them come on with it. The government should make it easier for them to be here and work legally so they can collect their taxes on their wages. Because even while being taxed they would make a shteinload more here than in their home country.

I'm partial to this discussion because my girlfriend is not from this country. And we are struggling like hell to get her here legally because of insane laws and shtein like that. She just wants to come here to be together and work, but yet she's deemed an automatic risk because she is from a latin country.

But yet people from most European countries do not need visas to get in this country. She can come here for internship programs and things like that, and that is the route we are taking because it is easier that way rather than applying for a regular work visa. INS is backed up 5 years with processing work visa applications. Why? Because so many people are worried about people immigrating to this country.

Worry about the real farging issues, Washington.

[Rome]

If by immigrants you mean native americans then I agree with you. 

The small pox infected religious freaks took it over and their descendants are the same lowlife criminal corksuckers who are still farging over anyone and everyone who gets in their way.

Best thing that can happen to this country is a massive plague.  Take out 200-250 million douchebags at a minimum and there'd still be too many iceholes around.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Your right , Americans have gotten' lazy.

It's not that we're lazy, Bob.  It's that we just don't care. 

Office Space.

[Diomedes]

I want some of whatever Romey is smoking...that's the spirit!!

[rjs246]

I read something along the lines of 90% of the Earth's population living on 5% of the land. Presumably around urban centers.

Tactical carpet bombing campaigns maybe more effective than a plague. Though a cleansing illness would be far more random, and therefore fair. Either way, less people = more gooder.

[Phanatic]

I read something along the lines of 90% of the Earth's population living on 5% of the land. Presumably around urban centers.

Tactical carpet bombing campaigns maybe more effective than a plague. Though a cleansing illness would be far more random, and therefore fair. Either way, less people = more gooder.

For some reason mankind started living in concentrated areas around 4000 years ago all over the world and in some cases independently. Fascinating I now but it's the world we now live in.

We're just a bunch of crazy monkeys!

[MDS]

Or it's that no one wants to live in Montana, Wyoming or Idaho.

[SD_Eagle5]

I read something along the lines of 90% of the Earth's population living on 5% of the land. Presumably around urban centers.

Tactical carpet bombing campaigns maybe more effective than a plague. Though a cleansing illness would be far more random, and therefore fair. Either way, less people = more gooder.

For some reason mankind started living in concentrated areas around 4000 years ago all over the world and in some cases independently. Fascinating I now but it's the world we now live in.

We're just a bunch of crazy monkeys!

It was actually closer to 5000 years ago with Mesopatamia being known as the first 'civilization' and Egypt following a few hundred years later.

[shorebird]

I don't understand how anyone who knows anything about the history of this country can get all uppity about immigrants trying to make a living and scratch out a life.

I have no problem with anyone who wants to work, immigrants or whoever, especially when they work as hard as I've seen. Just make it legal and pay taxes like everyone else. If I didn't pay taxes, FICA, workmans comp, or liability, I'd be out of business, lose everything and on my way to jail, so I hope you don't think I'm getting "all uppity" about it when you clearly haven't seen the side of it I have. You think because someone supplies "cheap labor" that "are necessary parts of any economy", thats it's no big deal they don't pay taxes and are allowed to have drivers licenses when they aren't even legal citizens? They get fake SS#'s and get medicare, unemployment, and subsidized housing like section 8, and aren't even citizens. Their employers pay them 1/3 to 1/2 of a regular wage, and a lot pay no SS, or workmans comp on them so they can cut the throat of guys like me, underbidding for the "cheap labor". These people are in no way "the embodiment of the American experiance".

But I guess it's alright for some to look the other way when it doesn't affect your line of work. No illegal is going to walk into your cubicle and take your job becuase he works for far less. When they come into this country illegally, most of the time they are uneducated to begin with. They do the work most of the white collar liberal Americans don't want to do, and thinks is beneath them, so they don't care. They would rather have cheap landscaping.

[Diomedes]

It is a burden for the guys who play it straight, no question.  I once owned a janitorial services company.  Started it up right after college, sold it two years later.  I did everything by the book and as a result, could not compete on price with the bigger and less scrupulous companies who employed illegal labor.  Instead, I simply offered a better product at a higher price and adjusted my business plan to focus on account retention and slow growth of quality accounts that would be happy to pay a bit extra for a bit more.  It put a cap on how big I was ever going to grow that company, but I was able to turn a decent profit and build a nice little company.

I'm doing some masonry work right now.  The head mason on the job has intimate knowledge of the problem of illegal labor.  It does actually take work away from him. What's he supposed to do?  I don't know.  Vote.  Write letters.  Do something more than bitch and complain about the liberals and the mexicans, for a start? 

Seems to me that the bulk of the anti immigrant rhetoric is thinly veiled racism and a sort of spastic spoiled brat tempertantrum from people who think they deserve jobs by virtue of being American.  And a lot of the bile gets heaped directly on these poor bastiches who work like dogs for peanuts only to send most of it home to their families.  That's kinda like blaming the heroin addicts for the drug trade, ignoring the suppliers dealers and ineffective government.   Sure, heap all the blame on the folks least responsible and who benefit least from this scenario, that's a good idea.

[Cerevant]

Seems to me that the bulk of the anti immigrant rhetoric is thinly veiled racism and a sort of spastic spoiled brat tempertantrum from people who think they deserve jobs by virtue of being American.  And a lot of the bile gets heaped directly on these poor bastiches who work like dogs for peanuts only to send most of it home to their families.  That's kinda like blaming the heroin addicts for the drug trade, ignoring the suppliers dealers and ineffective government.   Sure, heap all the blame on the folks least responsible and who benefit least from this scenario, that's a good idea.

Agree 100%.  Change "America" to "Canada" and change "Mexicans" to "Indians/Pakistani/other Middle Eastern Immigrants" and the situation is identical up here.

[rjs246]

But I guess it's alright for some to look the other way when it doesn't affect your line of work. No illegal is going to walk into your cubicle and take your job becuase he works for far less.

Horse shtein. Nearly every IT-related profession in this country has seen a massive influx of immigrants, many of which are definitely not citizens. My point is this: the taxes that illegal immigrants would pay does not outweigh the economic benefit that their cheap labor provides.

Mind you, I don't care about the economic side of things. I think people should be allowed to come to this country, easily become citizens if they want, get jobs and try to survive no matter what their citizen status. I don't feel infringed upon when other people try to make their own lives better. Call me crazy.

But since the fear-mongers seem to harp on taxes and the economic impact (in spite of the fact that racism is probably just as much of a factor) I'm here to tell you that I don't believe for one second that kicking illegal immigrants out, or forcing them to become citizens and pay taxes would make a lick of positive difference to the economy and I'd bet that it would actually cause prices of many service industries to rise significantly, impacting the rest of our every day lives.

Whatever, the bottom line is that I was raised to believe that this country provides everyone with an opportunity to live and succeed and be free to better their lives and be happy. Surrounding that ideal with bureaucratic bullshtein designed to keep the Mexicans out makes my ass twitch.

[Cerevant]

Campaign Killer?

As Hillary Clinton came under increasing scrutiny for her story about facing sniper fire in Bosnia, one question that arose was whether she has engaged in a pattern of lying.

The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary's history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.

Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy's chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman's 17-year career.

Why?

"Because she was a liar," Zeifman said in an interview last week. "She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality."