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100 fox
buck, aikman
phi -3.5
The Giants OL has five Isaac Seumalo's
If this front seven can't camp out in the backfield there's a big problem.
2-1
the chargers game is shaping up to be a classic philly sports loss, so they better win this game
what other team is going to be the first to lose to an unwanted irrelevant socal squad playing in a soccer stadium in front of 20k people, roughly 60% of which will be eagles fans?
A chance to bury the Giants at 0-3
McAdoo is up there ripping Eli for sloppy QB play
Any doubt the Giants win 37-6 now?
seeing the line up to -5 in some places
the giants were a complete and total disaster last night. eli looks horrendous. they have beyond zero running back talent. odb isnt close to healthy. oh and the offensive line is an abomination.
if the eagles cant win this game fire the franchise into the sun.
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2017, 09:48:26 AM
if the eagles cant win this game fire the franchise into the sun.
This
Looks like they are benching Seumalo in favor of Warmack. Another draft pick down the drain.
Getting rid of Barbre makes even less sense now. I wonder why Wisniewski isn't next man up.
i dont get benching him after six starts....might as well just cut him if you arent going to let him play at least a seasons worth of games to see what you have
dougie magic.
He's been a turnstile and can't run block.
Keep playing him until the ginger gets hurt, THEN bench him.
if hes truly that terrible then just cut him id be fine with that....but truth is while he hasnt been great by any means and didnt have a good game against wash either hes only been awful one game which happened to be sunday....vaitai (5th rd pk) who plays tackle which is a much more dangerous position to have a turnstile at was worse than semualo (3rd rd pk) against washington last year and continued to start and be not as terrible as the wash game but really bad
i suspect this is a stoutland call who is buddies with and loves warmack
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2017, 08:20:15 AM
i dont get benching him after six starts....might as well just cut him if you arent going to let him play at least a seasons worth of games to see what you have
I couldn't disagree more. He's single handily getting Wentz hit. Just an FYI, Wentz leads the league in QB hits. He's had two games, he's been awful in both. Just downright bad. He looks lost, can't pass protect, and can't run block. 6 games is a long time in the NFL to gauge an o lineman. Bottom line is he's horrible and this needed to be done asap. This falls on Doug, Reich and Stoutland. Barbre was a cap causality, no way Howie gets rid of him for next to nothing unless he's reassured Seumolu is ready to go.
Good thing this team has EIGHT seven starting caliber OL.
It's all good, they have exactly one lineman on the PS too. At least they have 8 running backs, none of which are remotely useful aside from Sproles.
their depth at guard is outstanding...not so much OT...they only have three OL who could even attempt to play tackle
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2017, 12:16:37 PM
their depth at guard is outstanding...not so much OT...they only have three OL who could even attempt to play tackle
It is not outstanding. Seumolu making it out of camp as the starting LG should tell you something. Re-watched both games this season, Seumolu isn't bad, he's flat out awful. If you put a tackling dummy at LG it would have done a better job. Warmack is a slight upgrade only because he's a mauler and at least DTs won't just slip by him on the way to pounce Wentz. Plus he's an above average run blocker.
With OT you're spot on, again, why get rid of a guy like Barbre or even Tobin who can play both G and OT. Dumb.
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2017, 12:16:37 PM
their depth at guard is outstanding...not so much OT...they only have three OL who could even attempt to play tackle
It is not outstanding. Seumolu making it out of camp as the starting LG should tell you something.
i dont think you know what depth means
I know exactly what it means. Just because you have a bunch of mediocre players at a position with no clear cut starter doesn't mean you have depth.
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 01:39:45 PM
Just because you have a bunch of mediocre players at a position with no clear cut starter doesn't mean you have depth.
depth is about how much of a drop off their is if a starter goes down
Well, in that definition, every team with zesty starters has outstanding depth no matter what they have.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 01:39:45 PM
Just because you have a bunch of mediocre players at a position with no clear cut starter doesn't mean you have depth.
depth is about how much of a drop off their is if a starter goes down
Depth is about having a clear cut starter who in case he goes down there's another player behind him who can step in and can play at a comparable level. Remember when the Eagles had Welbourn and Mayberry as starters and Brzenski as a backup? That was OG depth. Brzenski could have started for half the teams in the league.
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 01:39:45 PM
Just because you have a bunch of mediocre players at a position with no clear cut starter doesn't mean you have depth.
depth is about how much of a drop off their is if a starter goes down
Depth is about having a clear cut starter who in case he goes down there's another player behind him who can step in and can play at a comparable level. Remember when the Eagles had Welbourn and Mayberry as starters and Brzenski as a backup? That was OG depth. Brzenski could have started for half the teams in the league.
I'd say that was more of an anomale/good fortune more than anything else. It's pretty rare to have a "clear cut starter" filing a back up role because clear cut starters generally start.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 21, 2017, 02:19:24 PM
Well, in that definition, every team with zesty starters has outstanding depth no matter what they have.
not necessarily...eagles would be a perfect example if you believe semu cant play...you might think warmack isnt good but if his back up shouldnt be in the nfl then thats a huge drop off...i think the drop off between an average starter in the league and not being able to make the league is bigger than a pro bowler to an average starter...i also think the position matters...the gap say at guard is not going to be nearly as big as at tackle
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 01:39:45 PM
Just because you have a bunch of mediocre players at a position with no clear cut starter doesn't mean you have depth.
depth is about how much of a drop off their is if a starter goes down
Depth is about having a clear cut starter who in case he goes down there's another player behind him who can step in and can play at a comparable level.
you are using like sarge said the rare extreme example of having a starter play back up...but you also are saying the exact same thing i said....its about the drop off and in your example there is no drop off
Depth isn't mediocrity filling in for mediocrity. I'm not talking a clear cut starter as a backup, I'm talking about someone who can fill in for a starter at an adequate playing level. You can't have a crappy starter, then put in a backup and call that 'depth' because they both suck. Would you say the Eagles have Running Back depth?
The literal meaning of depth:
/depTH/
noun
noun: depth; plural noun: depths; plural noun: the depths
1. the distance from the top or surface of something to its bottom.
Your definition is the middle of the surface to the middle of the surface.
lol depth of an ocean is not he same as depth in sports
ill kindly exit this one...you guys can take it from here
By your logic the Eagles have depth at every position, including RB and CB.
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2017, 09:48:26 AM
if the eagles cant win this game fire the franchise into the sun.
That's been attempted numerous times since, well the past 50 years. Sun keeps spitting it back.
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 04:13:53 PM
By your logic the Eagles have depth at every position, including RB and CB.
the players still have to be at least solid...just because you have a lot of players at a position doesnt mean they are good
G depth is good
warmack and wiz are excellent back ups in this league that come with lots of starts under their belt
RB depth is bad
smallwood (probably) and pumphrey when he was on the active roster (definitely) arent nfl players
with darby in and counting jenkins as a cb i dont think the depth there is terrible...i certainly wouldnt rave about it....but corner is a different animal because its really hard to find good starters much less good back ups and its a position where you cant hide like i was saying before with OT
A handful of backups with no clear cut starter is not depth, it's mediocrity. I'll concede your point on CBs. I'd also like to add the CBs have played above expectations this season especially considering all the injuries.
I'd argue RB has more depth than OG by your logic. Sproles is still a solid player, Blount has a lot of starts under his belt and lead the league in TDs for the team that won the SB last season. I think he blows this season, but he was very good last season. You can't make the same judgment on Warmack or even Wis because we haven't seen them play in a regular season game yet.
Seumalo will end up being the C after Kelce is jettisoned in the off-season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2017, 07:26:30 PM
Seumalo will end up being the C after Kelce is jettisoned in the off-season.
Thanks Mosh
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 05:17:30 PM
A handful of backups with no clear cut starter is not depth, it's mediocrity. I'll concede your point on CBs. I'd also like to add the CBs have played above expectations this season especially considering all the injuries.
I'd argue RB has more depth than OG by your logic. Sproles is still a solid player, Blount has a lot of starts under his belt and lead the league in TDs for the team that won the SB last season. I think he blows this season, but he was very good last season. You can't make the same judgment on Warmack or even Wis because we haven't seen them play in a regular season game yet.
sproles isn't rb and blunt is cooked...forget depth or no depth the rb position straight sucks
Blount is a better RB than Seumolu is a guard
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
Blount is a better RB than Seumolu is a guard
i mean i dont even know what this means.....semu has six starts ever and blount wont be in the league next year...theres no comparison btwn the two players
He means as bad as Blount is as a RB, he's better than the Samoan is at G.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2017, 12:16:37 PM
their depth at guard is outstanding
Here's my problem with this. If you had simply said "they have depth at guard", I'd have disagreed with you because they have a bunch of mediocre players, but I guess I could sort of see your point because they're interchangeable. You said their Guard depth is "outstanding". Which player exactly is "outstanding"? The Welbourn/Mayberry/Brezinksi point I made would be considered "outstanding" depth. Mayberry - if I recall correctly - made a few pro bowls (yes pbs are an over rated measuring stick but he was still an excellent player), Welbourn was a borderline pro bowler. Brezinksi could have started for a lot of teams. That is "outstanding" depth.
Having no clear cut starter at LG and a bunch of mediocrity is not my definition of "outstanding" in any way, shape or form.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2017, 07:08:33 AM
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
Blount is a better RB than Seumolu is a guard
i mean i dont even know what this means.....semu has six starts ever and blount wont be in the league next year...theres no comparison btwn the two players
From what I've seen from Seumalu he doesn't belong on an NFL roster. I don't know if I've ever seen a guard just get completely dominated in every facet of the game. Some guards are bad run blockers, some bad at pass protection, some are slow and can't pull, some make bad zone reads and can't pick up a stunt to save their lives, some don't get out well on screens and wide pass blocking formations...he checks all of the above. My biggest problem is that he's quick and undersized for a guard, yet he was beaten off the ball and the DTs just slid right by him. When they weren't successfully shooting gaps they were tossing him aside like he was nothing. I understand wanting to start Seumalu over Warmack because he's more versatile and can bring more to the table, but he is a complete disaster. At the very least I'm hoping Warmack can at least protect Wentz and open some holes. He's too massive for DTs to easily shoot gaps or just toss him aside. Maybe he's too slow to be effective on screens and pull but at least he should add something.
As for Blount, see the Blount thread I started when he signed. I said it then and I'll say it now, I hated the signing, horrible fit, he clearly doesn't want to play. If he gave half a damn he'd be a consistent 10-15 carry back. My point was at least Blount has a body of work to go off of, he was at once considered 'solid'. Seumalo never was. So by your logic the RB depth would be considered better than the OG depth.
Quote from: SD on September 22, 2017, 08:38:11 AMFrom what I've seen from Seumalu he doesn't belong on an NFL roster.
calm down, lady
he was serviceable last year. wasnt great against wash. awful against kc.
we all remember the legendary winston justice game. well a year later he started every game in 2009 and they went 11-5. at that moment every neanderthal eagles fan wanted him thrown into the sun and claimed he didnt belong blocking in peewee games. turns out he could play a little. wasnt a pro bowler, but he could play in the nfl.
maybe question why seamalu was handed the lg job without competition. then 2 games into the season hes discarded for stout's project.
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
Quote from: SD on September 22, 2017, 08:38:11 AMFrom what I've seen from Seumalu he doesn't belong on an NFL roster.
maybe question why seamalu was handed the lg job without competition. then 2 games into the season hes discarded for stout's project.
this is what i dont get....hes a 23 year old 3rd round investment that you had high hopes for before the season and you sit him after two games...at guard?
makes zero sense
The alternative is your 1st round investment at quarterback gets his legs broken, so...
then why was he handed the job to begin with? its not like he was this bad out of nowhere.
but hey who am i to question this outstanding organization with its rich history of success
Quote from: General_Failure on September 22, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
The alternative is your 1st round investment at quarterback gets his legs broken, so...
this right here might be the dumbest not just football but sports talking point/cliche ever and it drives me nuts
ive watched more hockey in the past month than gf has watched football, so keep that in mind
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2017, 09:34:34 AM
then why was he handed the job to begin with? its not like he was this bad out of nowhere.
Doug Pederson is your talent evaluator, that's partially the reason why. Barbre was perfectly fine as a LG, and do you know what else? He could play OT too! Stoutland is a fine OL coach, I can't see him signing off on getting rid of Barbre if there wasn't pressure from the FO to cut salary. That's the only way this makes sense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2017, 09:36:51 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 22, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
The alternative is your 1st round investment at quarterback gets his legs broken, so...
this right here might be the dumbest not just football but sports talking point/cliche ever and it drives me nuts
Couldn't disagree more. Wentz was getting pummeled and leads the league in QB hits, Seumalu is 90% of the reason why. You don't chance that your future QB gets hurt just so you can see what a 3rd round LG can do. Like Ray Rhodes used to say "either shtein, or get off the can"
howie traded barbe...pederson wasnt dying for a conditional 7th round pick or whatever they got for him. im sure doug wants as much as talent as possible on the team. howie is a genius who drafted a future hall of famer in the 3rd round.
Napoleonic egomaniac as gm + stunod head coach + turnover machine jesus freak qb = ?
Quote from: SD on September 22, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2017, 09:34:34 AM
then why was he handed the job to begin with? its not like he was this bad out of nowhere.
Couldn't disagree more. Wentz was getting pummeled and leads the league in QB hits, Seumalu is 90% of the reason why. You don't chance that your future QB gets hurt just so you can see what a 3rd round LG can do. Like Ray Rhodes used to say "either shtein, or get off the can"
there isnt a number small enough to find the % of quarterbacks whose career was ended much less even badly hurt by being sacked because of an offensive lineman....this narrative makes voter fraud look like a national catastrophe
then throw in a guard and the number is probably zero
and when you take into consideration the number of offensive passing plays theres ever been and then the number of any kind of qb injury due to sack its still infinitesimal
its a cool thing for fans to say....HES GOING TO GET OUR QB MURDERED AHAAHAHAHAHA!! but bottom line is no coach has ever benched a lineman because they dont want their qb hurt they bench the lineman and because it hurts their chances to win
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2017, 11:50:20 AM
its a cool thing for fans to say....HES GOING TO GET OUR QB MURDERED AHAAHAHAHAHA!! but bottom line is no coach has ever benched a lineman because they dont want their qb hurt they bench the lineman and because it hurts their chances to win
Most times, those two things go together. Line is out there to block in a ways such that the QB doesn't hit, thus allowing him to remain upright and complete the passes that can help win the game. If the QB gets hit constantly, that QB isn't going to be able to do his job, and if he gets hit enough that he can't stay healthy, it hurts the ability to win future games. Of course it's about winning games...either way.
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2017, 11:12:01 AM
howie traded barbe...pederson wasnt dying for a conditional 7th round pick or whatever they got for him. im sure doug wants as much as talent as possible on the team. howie is a genius who drafted a future hall of famer in the 3rd round.
Napoleonic egomaniac as gm + stunod head coach + turnover machine jesus freak qb = ?
Pederson obviously told him "we're good there with Seamolu". It's not like Howie is watching and conducting practice and just trading off whoever he choses. That would just be silly.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 22, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2017, 11:50:20 AM
its a cool thing for fans to say....HES GOING TO GET OUR QB MURDERED AHAAHAHAHAHA!! but bottom line is no coach has ever benched a lineman because they dont want their qb hurt they bench the lineman and because it hurts their chances to win
Most times, those two things go together. Line is out there to block in a ways such that the QB doesn't hit, thus allowing him to remain upright and complete the passes that can help win the game. If the QB gets hit constantly, that QB isn't going to be able to do his job, and if he gets hit enough that he can't stay healthy, it hurts the ability to win future games. Of course it's about winning games...either way.
exactly
I don't know anyone could watch then re-watch that game and think Wentz isn't in trouble with Seamolu blocking for him. Wentz was getting pummeled. And lol at no coach ever benched a lineman because they don't want their QB to get hurt...the two go hand in hand. If the QB is getting nailed he can't properly do his job, an injury is also a possibility if highly unlikely.
Quote from: SD on September 22, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
Pederson obviously told him "we're good there with Seamolu". It's not like Howie is watching and conducting practice and just trading off whoever he choses. That would just be silly.
are you being sarcastic?
Quote from: Zanshin on September 22, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2017, 11:50:20 AM
its a cool thing for fans to say....HES GOING TO GET OUR QB MURDERED AHAAHAHAHAHA!! but bottom line is no coach has ever benched a lineman because they dont want their qb hurt they bench the lineman and because it hurts their chances to win
Most times, those two things go together. Line is out there to block in a ways such that the QB doesn't hit
im talking all lines....the very worst the very best....every pass play in the history of the league...career ending or severe injuries to qb's just dont happen in this manner
good quarterbacks throw the ball away...agile quarterbacks move and all quarterbacks know how to go down...then throw in the fact that theres tons of coverage sacks...sacks that are the qb's fault sacks that are good plays by the sacker well designed blitzs sacks cause a wr ran the wrong route
hence the whole lineman X is going to get qb X killed is so silly...it doesnt exist except that its become a cool thing to say in the football lexicon
you wanna say a team is going to suck cause their OL stinks....or a lineman needs to come out cause he hurting the offense....im IN...but hes gotta come out or carson wentz is going to be in the cbs broadcast booth next year...get that shtein outta here
is that a trick question?
Quote from: General_Failure on September 22, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
The alternative is your 1st round investment at quarterback gets his legs broken, so...
Real talk.
Guys, stop crying. Wentz can just lay hands on himself.
https://youtu.be/EhjSzibOIH4?t=109
Quote from: Rome on September 22, 2017, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 22, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
The alternative is your 1st round investment at quarterback gets his legs broken, so...
Real talk.
bitter old man talk
if seamalu starts one more game will you guys go to the wentz funeral or just watch on tv
I'd protest with Westboro Baptist church
Quote from: MDS on September 23, 2017, 08:36:31 AM
if seamalu starts one more game will you guys go to the wentz funeral or just watch on tv
Samoan funerals are quite beautiful.
Eagles - 23
Giants -16
Defense gets 4+ sacks on Eli
Alshon has another good game
Eagles 27
Giants 13
Giants backs are against the wall, it's an NFC East game, and this is the Eagles. So those scores might wind up reversed.
Gibson
Graham
McLeod
Watkins
Darby
Means
Vaeao
Eagles inactives
Notable inactives for NYG are BJ Goodson and Bobby Hart
Maragos starting at safety
Warmack at LG
Eagles 38
Team Led By Archie's 2nd Favorite Son 23
Those endzones look like more ass than usual.
Anybody have a link to stream?
The center doesn't know the snap count.
Nice waste of a solid return.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 24, 2017, 01:06:27 PM
Anybody have a link to stream?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nflstreams/comments/725tnt/game_thread_new_york_giants_philadelphia_eagles/
They even farged that up
Nice start dipshteins
Greater waste of a perfect punt. Idiots.
dont forget waste of a timeout too
Quote from: General_Failure on September 24, 2017, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 24, 2017, 01:06:27 PM
Anybody have a link to stream?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nflstreams/comments/725tnt/game_thread_new_york_giants_philadelphia_eagles/
Thanks! I think...nice play, dumbfargs
Lol @ challenging this.
Our only hope is that we get Regular Eli and not Idiot Savant Eli.
Waste Management
Battle of who's OL is worse
We are off to a roaring start
Jesus farg come on you dipshteins
Go Eagles! Overcoming adversity like that is how you win football games
3 & Out
Botched ST punt coverage
Boneheaded challenge
Defensive facemask
Penalty on punt return.
All in less than 6 minutes.
Damn near a safety
Ten sacks allowed now
Bullshtein
But I thought igy said the line is deep????
Congratulations to this game for breaking a world record (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-clown-boots).
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 24, 2017, 01:20:41 PM
But I thought igy said the line is deep????
He meant the defense is getting deep behind the line.
Yeah, let's blame Seumalu. This OL is dog shtein, end of subject.
Keep throwing on first down, Doug
farging moron
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 24, 2017, 01:23:27 PM
Keep throwing on first down, Doug
farging moron
The other option is running, though.
That was a great play by Jenkins and an equally horrible play call by McAdoo
Weird they passed on 3rd and extremely short, but yay!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 24, 2017, 01:23:27 PM
Keep throwing on first down, Doug
farging moron
In his defense it must be excruciating deciding which quality back to use.
Crowd is all hyped up for a 1st down run.
Man, Blount is a load
So Blount gains like 7, 17, 12 yard chunks, so on 3rd and 2 give it to Smallwood because Pederson.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 01:34:24 PM
So Blount gains like 7, 17, 12 yard chunks, so on 3rd and 2 give it to Smallwood because Pederson.
He needed an IV, oxygen, and a pepperoni pizza.
There goes Sproles knee.
Welp, spoles just grabbed his knee and screamed "ah shtein" so he's done
And that's the season for Sproles.
Season over for the Eagles. Without Sproles, they're not going to sniff their 8-8 ceiling
Was there any doubt that was the way his career would end?
Now they're saying wrist. Wrap it up and give him a club, he'll still be effective
Well that was encouraging.
That was a nice deke.
Alright, a Burton sighting.
big man running into the endzone
i like this
Blount did a thing, huh? This really is a weird game.
cmon don't doug this up
Taunting is such a dumb rule
I think we can safely say the Giants offensive line is the worse one of the two today.
Rasul is a ball hawk
Wisniewski is in
Turns out this Wentz kid can draw some penalties if you get him to the line with more than five seconds to work. Who knew?
Wentz is really bad on deep throw accuracy.
Deep ball accuracy is no bueno
Hicks and Sproles are questionable
Going for it on 4th and 8? Not something I like here
This better be a bluff.
Stupid.
How can you not see Blount's fat ass in the middle of the field?
What in the farg
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
How can you not see Blount's fat ass in the middle of the field?
Why was that not a punt?
Don't worry guys, they'll just get another interception!
That was a Calvary Baptist Academy HS play there.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 24, 2017, 02:10:00 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
How can you not see Blount's fat ass in the middle of the field?
Why was that not a punt?
Oh, it definitely should have been a punt. Never should have snapped the ball. But they did, so...yeah.
Horrible decision. 4 and 3, ok but not 4 and 8.
Ready for this to be all tied up plus G men get the ball to start 2nd half. Stupid stupid stupid
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 24, 2017, 02:10:00 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
How can you not see Blount's fat ass in the middle of the field?
Why was that not a punt?
Oh, it definitely should have been a punt. Never should have snapped the ball. But they did, so...yeah.
I was sure they weren't going to snap it, take the five yard penalty, then punt. But they snapped it and I was too befuddled to pay attention to the play
No pressure what so ever
nice work doug
you farging idiot
Can't wait to see what Dougie's got up his sleeve for the last 25 seconds.
Doesn't matter but I don't think that's a TD
That was to easy, way to easy
That's not a TD
Cox is now questionable too - calf injury.
This loss is going to be on Doug and Wentz
Surprised they overturned it. I didn't think it was but I didn't think there was enough video evidence to overturn it.
lolololololololol how do you throw it there???
They've gotta find a way to stretch this half our just a little longer, I barely regret watching this last fifteen minutes of nothing instead of doing anything else.
mcadoo might be a worse coach than doug
This is just embarrassing.
How is that not a touchdown?
I know it benefits the Eagkes, but that's absolutely a TD. Possession, feet, score. Horrible rule that you need to maintain possession after going oob.
Awesome stop!
farg yeah!!
Come on, let's see a sweet 99 yard TD play. It'll be funny.
"Mr. Mcadoo you are now #1 in line for the privlage of being burned at the stake, Mr. Pederson please step back"
Hicks
Cox
Sproles
All out
Ankle
Ankle
Wrist
?
how many times do we need to see those passes fail this season
Another turnover
No go farging score
No go? Skins fan :-X
farging Ertz
Whew he redeems himself
worst game of the season for wentz so far imho. he is keeping things alive with his legs though.
game is being won by the defense
Douglas is having a nice game.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 03:24:24 PM
Douglas is having a nice game.
And then he does stupid shtein.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 03:24:24 PM
Douglas is was having a nice game.
Aikman strokes him and BOOM
Come on Ertz.
this game sucks
Jesus farging Christ Ertz
What the farg
They're gonna lose
Who cares, birds deserve to loose
El oh el.
they stink right now but this secondary is a bunch of scabs right now which isn't helping things and where the farg has Jenkins been all day? I've heard his name once.
I can't wait to see how Pederpson responds here.
I finally start watching my first game. I felt guilty because they started doing bad as soon as I started watching. Then I realized they simply suck. I feel better about myself now. Not the Eagles though.
"What's the stupidest play we can run? No, that's too much, we need something slightly less stupid but still dumb."
I actually think the Eagles are way better than the Giants.
Doesn't necessarily mean the Eagles will win this game though. They are banged up, making numerous mistakes, Wentz is off his game, and their coach is a dope.
They're going to farging lose this game
What a clusterfarg
Wentz. Ertz. Doug.
farg off
Jesus christ. Same damn 7 yard slants all day.
disgraceful game overall
Straight garbage. Fire Pederson right now.
This never would have happened with Head Coach Duce Staley.
Nice, now they've got time to blow it after Eli scores again.
Is it Miracle at the Linc...the fact that they scored a touchdown?
Quote from: hbionic on September 24, 2017, 03:55:15 PM
Is it Miracle at the Linc...the fact that they scored a touchdown?
it'll be a miracle if pumphrey ever scores a td
Minor miracle the fact that the extra point went in.
Canonize Wentz.
defense needs something big here
the out-of-gas look isnt going to close this game out
Definitely no need to have anyone within 15 yards of the Giants lone receiving back.
how is aikman seeing that as being on mills
What an unbelievably terrible play by Jenkins.
team is stupid as farg
better to let beckham score than to give the giants the opportunity to drain the clock before scoring
This team is farging dumb.
hah, wooow
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 04:02:30 PM
This team is farging dumb.
both teams are stupid as farg
This game is a train wrecking into a dumpster fire
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 24, 2017, 04:04:04 PM
This game is a train wrecking into a dumpster fire
With a pie on it.
sweet cherry pie
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
Definitely no need to have anyone within 15 yards of the Giants lone receiving back.
Oh my god! this rag tag bunch is going to get beat any way, why not get in their fargng face and press a little!
Oh yippie! setting up for this winded, totally spent defense to play some free football.
I just know this ain't going in.
Quote from: hbionic on September 24, 2017, 04:16:11 PM
I just know this ain't going in.
Look at this guy who's wrong.
There are way too many plays in this playbook having wentz move on 3rd down. You're taking away half the field. Don't get it.
Guess good things happen when I don't watch.
If Eli could just go ahead and throw a pick six that would be great. I've got shtein to do.
Horrible call on third down.
And allow me:
Giants 00:54 3 timeouts
This defense today
Birds are farged
Lol @ accepting that penalty.
why dont the giants just go deep on all these plays
Paging Desean Jackson
Oh dear god Torrey Smith king of drops back ther?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 04:21:18 PM
Lol @ accepting that penalty.
i didn't hate that. the odds of the eagles getting it back with 25 seconds or whatever and doing something positive are miniscule
dont like giving the giants time to review that play with a timeout though
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
HOLY shtein!!
Wow. I knew it was going in.
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I'm excited by that kick. 61 yards. Very impressive. But this team farging blows.
definitely felt the odds of something horrifying happening there were higher than the odds of it going in
oh hell yeah this team blows but beating these fargwads is always beautiful
I cannot believe he made that
I had zero confidence in him
Bigger picture here is usually the Eagles are the ones getting farged on 60+ yarders
Lol @ "usually." Like it's something that happens to them with any bit of regularity. The Matt Bryant thing was like well over a decade ago. Have there been any other 60 yarders made against them since?
And to be realistic, there aren't really any kickers out there that I'd feel overwhelmingly good about on anything over 55 yards. There's a reason why they don't happen often. Because they're really farging hard to make.
Longest FG ever by a rookie.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 04:50:20 PM
Lol @ "usually." Like it's something that happens to them with any bit of regularity. The Matt Bryant thing was like well over a decade ago. Have there been any other 60 yarders made against them since?
Don't think so. Other long ones yes, 60 yarders though? There's like 2 of them per year max in the NFL. This might have been one of the 10 longest FGs ever.
FWIW Hicks says his ankle isn't serious.
Then why did the Hoyda come out of the game?
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 24, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 04:50:20 PM
Lol @ "usually." Like it's something that happens to them with any bit of regularity. The Matt Bryant thing was like well over a decade ago. Have there been any other 60 yarders made against them since?
Don't think so. Other long ones yes, 60 yarders though? There's like 2 of them per year max in the NFL. This might have been one of the 10 longest FGs ever.
Tied for 7th longest.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 04:50:20 PM
Lol @ "usually." Like it's something that happens to them with any bit of regularity. The Matt Bryant thing was like well over a decade ago. Have there been any other 60 yarders made against them since?
I should've said long FGs
Teams never miss against them
dont let the amazing ending mask how terrible doug and dakota tebow were
but farg me that was something
Just about everyone having something to do with this game (refs included) was highly suspect except for Blount, the Eagles run defense, ODB, and Eli's mid-range accuracy. It was a total slopfest reminiscent of Thursday night games.
Joe-El's reaction on the Twitters is farging awesome.
So was mine.
Our smacked ass waitress who's a Giants fan made me a promise if the kick was good. Just saying... :o
Quote from: MDS on September 24, 2017, 06:36:00 PM
dont let the amazing ending mask how terrible doug and dakota tebow were
but farg me that was something
Yep they both stunk
Ertz too
Ertz can eat a big bag of dicks after that fumble.
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Probably the pinnacle of his career.
merrill
https://tinyurl.com/ycq2hvk3
Quote from: MDS on September 24, 2017, 07:12:53 PM
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They carried him three quarters of the way to the locker room and ran out of energy.
Pretty sure the guy on the right was on his way to Machu Picchu.
A shame that dude besmirches the 54
They really should have retired it in shame after Trotter left.
Koy sucked!
User has been banned for this post.
Hahaha
Best defense in the NFL. Best QB in the NFL. What's not to love?????
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on September 24, 2017, 08:07:39 PM
Best defense in the NFL. Best QB in the NFL. What's not to love?????
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Love the Dougster
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 04:29:46 PM
I'm excited by that kick. 61 yards. Very impressive. But this team farging blows.
sums it up
the coach especially is a travesty
"blows" is a strong word
the 49ers blow...the jets blow...the eagles are ok. not good. not great. ok. with a better coach/qb they could be great. wentz may well get there. doug, um, wont.
they stink
is that more accurate?
mediocre
everyone is medicore in this travesty of a league
eagles and giants are terrible
drunk
maybe
What I learned this week is 25 of the teams stink. Maybe more.
I was at the O's game today, closing day at home. Took my son for his birthday present. As the teams were changing field in the middle of the fifth, Manny threw a ball into our section and I caught it (with a glove). Best present I could have given the kid. I don't know who was happier, him or me.
Great day.
Afterwards, I saw the score for the Eagles game and felt a small piece of relief. Both teams I give a shtein about, both perennial farging losers, won today, and I caught a baseball that Manny Machado threw.
Beat that.
I picked Philly in the suicide pool this week. I'm expecting about 80% of the pool to go out after these games. Would've been higher if GB and NE didn't come back.
I had gb in a suicide pool where you can lose and still be in it....yes pathetic
who lost today tho that is killing 80%
Baltimore?
Pittsburgh?
Seattle?
Denver, Pitt, Baltimore ... I feel like a huge % probably had Miami vs NYJ, wouldn't be shocked if some people took Cleveland as the only opportunity to use them.
sproles broke his arm
ok
oh yeah forgot about Pitt
Jacksonville was the lock of the week
No matter: Corey Clement to the rescue.
Also, who is Corey Clement?
Quote from: Diomedes on September 24, 2017, 10:18:10 PM
No matter: Corey Clement to the rescue.
Also, who is Corey Clement?
lol I was saying yo the lil guy and Jon today that's it's absolutely amazing that Corey clement is in the backfield of a tied 4q NFL game
How did Jalen Mills do today?
I have a massive crush on this guy. Love love love his attitude.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 24, 2017, 10:12:35 PM
Denver, Pitt, Baltimore ... I feel like a huge % probably had Miami vs NYJ, wouldn't be shocked if some people took Cleveland as the only opportunity to use them.
I had Miami and Pitt in the two I'm in
Quote from: Diomedes on September 24, 2017, 10:24:08 PM
How did Jalen Mills do today?
I have a massive crush on this guy. Love love love his attitude.
so funny you mentioned him...I also said to my seat brethren how impressed I was with him....on an island most of the day with odb and held his own
That's my boy - love that dude since LSU
Ra'sul held his own today against Marshall. Darby is going to be relegated to 3rd cb when he comes back.
The futures bright for the cbs
Mills - solid
Douglas - good size and speed
Darby
Jones
I think Mills stinks
Mills is ok. He's just just ridiculous for celebrating incompletions he had nothing to do with.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2017, 11:25:41 PM
Mills is ok. He's just just ridiculous for celebrating incompletions he had nothing to do with.
Maybe he was just happy for the Eagles.
ODB had to make freak ODB catches to really get going today. Considering that Eli was in a rare dialed-in mode, that's a pretty good accomplishment for the secondary.
I thought Mills overall played well today. Like QBE said he gave up a coupe of TDs to ODB but most CBs would have done the same. He also gave up a lot of receptions but he was just following Schwartz's game plan to play off and close quickly, which he executed well. I thought was good scheming by Schwartz, keeping everything in front of the secondary. Reminded me of Jim Johnson's bend but don't break and tighten it up in the redzone (though JJ usually bent with the run game more than the pass).
From the early looks, Douglas seems like he could be a player, really like his upside. If Sidney Jones pans out as hoped, the team weakness could become a strength for at least a coupe of years while Jenkins is still in his prime.
For once the football gods made the Eagles beneficiaries of both ref calls and placekicking. Sterling Sheppard gets the most hosed player award.
easier to see at the stadium (versus tv) especially from our seats which are high in the end zone perfect for seeing entire formations and stuff but mills was on an island pretty much the whole day with odb....no safety over the top no linebacker shaded inside nothing
cbs national morning news the show with norah odonnell and charlie rose just had a little segment on elliots kick
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so, the eagles won.
ricky ricardo IN
merrill reese OUT
https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/912081318531469313
At 5:14 p.m., Jake Elliott threw his backpack over his shoulder and got ready to leave the locker room at Lincoln Financial Field.
But he forgot to pack a pair of grey sneakers that were in his stall. So he took his backpack off and stuffed them in there. Then he spotted a towel. Same thing, but that went into a different pocket. He was finally all packed up.
Elliott was wearing an Erin Hills U.S. Open hat and carrying one of those really small Dasani bottles — the ones that tend to empty after four or five sips. He was headed to see his family but wasn't sure where to exit and needed guidance from a member of the media relations staff.
This was Elliott's first time getting dressed after a game in the home locker room at the Linc. Two weeks ago, he was on the Bengals' practice squad. He was renting an apartment in Cincinnati and just had it furnished. But then Caleb Sturgis suffered an injury, and Elliott got the call to join the Eagles.
On Sunday, he was in Philadelphia, and his 61-yard field goal sent the 69,596 fans in attendance into a frenzy as the Eagles beat the Giants, 27-24. Mychal Kendricks and Kamu Grugier-Hill carried Elliott off the field.
"It was awesome," Elliott said afterwards. "I was just kind of running around trying not to get hurt."
The Eagles were far from perfect on Sunday. Late in the fourth quarter, it seemed like they had unnecessarily let the Giants back in the game and failed to bury a team that was in many ways asking to be buried. But Elliott's game-winner puts the Eagles in a good spot in the NFC East heading into next Sunday's matchup with the Los Angeles Chargers.
Elliott's teammates had varying angles and viewpoints when the kick went through. Here's a rundown of what they said afterwards.
Brandon Graham: "My head was down. I was just waiting on people to run out. And if they ran out, we won. If they didn't, dang, we've got to go to overtime. But when I heard people yelling and going crazy, I just started running. I didn't even see him make it [laughs]."
Jaylen Watkins: "The first thing I was worried about was the returner [Odell Beckham Jr.]. I think I saw him in college before jump and catch one. And I saw he was just standing there. I was like, 'OK, at least it's got the distance.' And he wasn't moving right or left, so I'm like, 'Yo, this looks like it's going in.' And of course it goes in. You could tell by his reaction. The closer it got, he was like, 'Oh, shoot.' His demeanor wasn't anything good.
"I have a hamstring injury, but I couldn't help but take off a little bit before I had to catch myself like, 'I'm not 100 percent healthy. I can't do that.' But emotions were wild."
Zach Ertz: "I was in the play. I was on the left wing trying to protect my side. It was an unbelievable kick. We were so focused on Odell being back there pre-snap that we were like, 'We've got to be firm in the pocket. We've got to be firm in our protection. Then we've got to protect and release.' As I see that thing going, I'm like, 'Man, this thing really has a chance.' And it just kept going and going. When they signaled it was good, I was shocked — 61 yards into the wind. When I saw Odell looking up through the upright, that's when I knew it was good. And obviously everyone went crazy. It was an electric feeling, electric atmosphere.That kid's got a leg on him obviously. And we're happy to have him."
Kamu Grugier-Hill: "He hit that a couple times in practice so we have confidence in him for sure. Honestly, from my angle, it looked wide right, so I was like, 'Ahhh!' And then I saw it go through the thing, and I just lost it."
Jalen Mills: "You see him banging long field goals at practice all the time. So for sure, we already knew that he had a strong leg. That's why Coach Doug [Pederson] didn't think twice about putting the field-goal unit out there. So as soon as he kicked it, you saw him get full extension, and he made it."
Beau Allen: "It was a hell of a kick, man. I'm on the field-goal team, and with long kicks like that, you've got to cover because they put a return man back there. You don't want a situation like Alabama-Auburn a couple years ago. So I was sprinting down the field about as hard as I could just eyeing down the returner. All of a sudden, he turns, started walking away. I looked up, saw that it was good and turned around and it was just chaos. Great feeling. It was a hell of a kick by that kid. ... I remember turning around and saw [Jason Kelce] sprinting at me and kind of blacked out after that. That was a grinder, ya know?"
Alshon Jeffery: "When I came to the sideline, I asked our special teams coach if he's ever made a kick that far. He said [Elliott] can make it from 61 yards. He said he's practiced it before, so I'm like, 'Sh-t.' I was just hoping that if he didn't make it, we could take our best chances in overtime."
Malcolm Jenkins: "Hoping that Odell Beckham didn't catch it. That's all I cared about. I was like, 'Man, as long as he doesn't get the ball with our offensive line out there trying to tackle him.' That was probably my biggest concern. And I was obviously very elated that it went through the goalposts."
Brandon Brooks: "Sh-t, I was blocking, man. I was trying to make sure that nobody was able to get their hands [on it], just making sure we held up. And then after that, obviously, a 61-yarder, in the back of your mind, you've got to cover too. Once I realized it had a pretty good shot of going in, I just waited to see what was happening."
Carson Wentz: "I was just praying that it went in. How often do you see a 61-yarder? I think it was the longest in franchise history. Good for him. Hats off to him as a guy who just got here two weeks ago. We're all pretty pumped for the kid."
Chris Maragos: "Dude, how fun was that? I wanted to get back to see if I could get a good angle. And Jake's done such a good job coming here under the circumstances. Obviously you're working with operation time with a snapper and a holder for just a couple weeks here. He has a really strong leg. He's hit some bombs in practice. So we knew he had a really strong leg. The snap was perfect. Donnie [Jones] had a perfect hold. Gave him the comfort to just swing through it. When that kick went through, you're at a loss for words — just with what that meant for our team. I think I was just jumping around, helmet up, just going crazy."
Jason Kelce: "I was behind the ball, right around the 45-yard line on the other side. So I couldn't tell where it was in relation to the field goal. I was like, 'Is that going right? Is it going to be long enough?' And I still didn't know until the official threw his hands up whether it went in or not. Kudos to Elliot. That's tremendous coming in here like that, last-minute situation with Caleb [Sturgis] going down. He's only been here for two weeks now. So that's huge — 61-yarder to win the game. That's fun."
Torrey Smith: "I couldn't believe he could kick the ball that far, so I thought we were going to take a shot at a Hail Mary, but the guy comes out and gets it done. ... I honestly didn't know it was in. I thought it was a yard too short. I'm sitting there looking at the guy. I hear the crowd yelling and waiting for the ref, and I lost my mind. It was crazy."
Nelson Agholor: "I was just watching it. Until you saw the refs put the hands up, that's when I knew. That was a great kick by him, a great play by him."
Rasul Douglas: "Oh my goodness. I was on the sideline. I think everybody was up on their feet just trying to see if he was going to make it or not. When I looked at Odell back there and I saw that he didn't put his hands up like he had a chance to return it, I was like, 'Oh he must have the leg for it.' And it went in, and everyone just went crazy. It was an exciting moment. I'm so happy for him."
Trey Burton: "When he kicked it, I was like, 'This might have a chance.' I was probably at the opposite 35-yard line, kneeling down, just watching it. I was more worried about the guys covering it if it would have went short. But it was a great kick."
Lane Johnson: "When he first kicked it, I knew it was going to come out low, so the big thing was to not let any pressure in. We had a cover call, so as soon as it went in the air, we ran down the field and I thought it was going to go wide right. It curved back in. I heard the crowd's reaction, and the stadium just erupted."
Eli Manning: "I didn't know if he had enough on it to make it there, but obviously he kicked it and had a good kick. Thought maybe [we'd] have a shot with Odell and get the ball in Odell's hands there at the end and maybe he could make something happen for us but obviously [it] didn't go that way."
Odell Beckham Jr.: "It was good. There was no question. He booted it. I was praying it was going to be short. I was reminiscing of other days. It was UAB, kicked a field goal and ran it back 109 [yards]. Had to write 109 miscellaneous yards in the NCAA because it never really happened before. So I was praying that he kicked it short, and I was going to be able to run it back and we were going to have that feeling that they had winning in the last second."
Doug Pederson: "Quite honestly, I had so much confidence standing there. Calmness. I just watched him kick a couple kickoffs extremely deep into the end zone, and it was pretty awesome. Sounded like a cannon off his foot. Great snap, great hold, protection was there. Yeah, awesome. Awesome, awesome, awesome."
lol I hope he says AO1 and praying as much as he can just because it rankles igy so much
awesome! the power of prayer prevails!
awesome!
He better get his ass to faith healing Sproles, then.
Quote from: hunt on September 25, 2017, 10:07:23 AM
awesome! the power of prayer prevails!
awesome!
Yeah, awesome. Awesome, awesome, awesome.
I was really happy until someone in the Pub said they won because no one on the Eagles kneeled.
Then I remembered how much I hate humans and switched to Jameson. shtein got fuzzy after that.
But yeah, Go Eagles and whatnot.
Quote from: Rome on September 25, 2017, 10:13:40 AM
I was really happy until someone in the Pub said they won because no one on the Eagles kneeled.
Then I remembered how much I hate humans and switched to Jameson. shtein got fuzzy after that.
But yeah, Go Eagles and whatnot.
did anyone on the giants kneel ?
Only when Elliott was lining up his final FG attempt.
That's why the Eagles won.
NO KNEELING!
Other than the missed tackle when he seemed half between jumping the route and half tackling Marshall, I've been very pleasantly surprised with Douglas. He has excellent awareness, is physical, and watches the ball.
Maragos took some head-scratchingly zesty angles yesterday.
Brandon Marshall gets in a verbal argument with an Eagles fan on the sideline, then spits on him
http://www.csnphilly.com/the700level/giants-wr-brandon-marshall-allegedly-spit-eagles-fan
There's video in the article
not exactly crazy to say that that dude said something to warrant an ass beating
lol yeah without even looking at the video I would bet that the fan wasn't exactly being cordial
We're just assuming he called him a stillupfront, right?
Quote from: MDS on September 25, 2017, 02:47:06 PM
not exactly crazy to say that that dude said something to warrant an ass beating
I'm sure he was saying Giants suck or something stupid, but Marshall is thin skinned if that bothers him. Dude didn't back down, I credit him for that, Marshall ain't exactly small.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 25, 2017, 03:04:03 PM
We're just assuming he called him a stillupfront, right?
My first thought too, but there's security right next to the guy and a crowded sideline. First there's no way the fan gets away with that, second Marshall doesn't say anything except "don't disrespect me", if dude had dropped the N bomb shtein would have gone down.
He also knows that no pro athlete isn't going to issue a full ass whipping in that environment...so its easy to act tough
Marshall has always been a pretty good dude
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 25, 2017, 03:10:14 PM
Marshall has always been a pretty good dude
You're joking, right? This is just up until 2012. Maybe he's cleaned is act up the past 5 seasons but he hasn't 'always' been a good dude. He's a despicable piece of shtein:
QuoteOct. 31 2004: Marshall faced misdemeanor charges of trespass, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, refusal to obey and assault on a law enforcement officer from a Halloween night arrest his junior year at Central Florida. All charges were ultimately dismissed.
April 8, 2005: Marshall was charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after police in Orlando accused him of trying to return a stolen set of bed sheets at a Burlington Coat Factory. The charge was dropped.
June 17, 2006: Marshall and his then-girlfriend Rasheedah Watley both filed police reports alleging physical abuse by the other in an hours-long fight at Marshall's Orlando apartment. No arrests were made.
Jan 1, 2007: According to court testimony in the murder trial in which Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was the victim and Willie E. Clark was the defendant, Marshall and his cousin were involved in an altercation outside a downtown Denver nightclub with Willie E. Clark and Daniel "Ponytail" Harris. Prosecutors believe an enraged Clark followed a limousine that he thought Marshall and his cousin were in. Clark was found guilty of firing at least 15 shots into the crowded limousine that killed Williams. Marshall and his cousin were in another vehicle. Clark is serving a life sentence.
Jan. 24, 2007: Police interview Marshall and his father after an argument in an Orlando parking lot. Marshall claimed his father tried to run him over with his car, while the father told police Marshall had shot a gun. Both declined to press charges.
March 18, 2007: Watley told Atlanta police that Marshall had punched her and taken her purse while at a downtown hotel. Marshall left before police arrived and no charges were filed.
March 21, 2007: Police in Palm Beach County, Fla., interviewed Marshall and Watley twice in one night after two loud arguments. Both said the incidents were not physical, and no arrests were made.
March 26, 2007: Marshall was arrested in Highlands Ranch, Colo., on charges of domestic violence and false imprisonment after another argument with Watley. Marshall hired attorney Harvey Steinberg to defend him and charges were dropped in May 2007.
June 8, 2007: Two incident reports were filed by Atlanta police. The first was to investigate damage to private property when Watley's friend alleged that Marshall hit her car, in which Watley was a passenger, then threw a rock at the passenger door. In the other, Watley told police Marshall had cut her in the thigh and punched her in the face. She was taken by ambulance to a local hospital. Marshall was not on the scene and no charges were filed.
June 30, 2007: Watley told Atlanta police Marshall had punched and choked her at his downtown condo, leaving a bruise on her eye and scratches on her body. He was not on scene and no charges were filed.
Oct. 22, 2007: Marshall was arrested and charged with DUI after he allegedly was driving the wrong way on a one-way street in downtown Denver hours after a Broncos game.
March 4-6, 2008: Three incident reports (filed on consecutive days) and one criminal warrant were filed after Watley and Marshall got into a fight at his Atlanta condo. Watley told police Marshall had punched her in the mouth and eye. Marshall told police his hand was also cut on glass during the incident, which included Watley's two younger sisters. Marshall was arrested on March 6 on a misdemeanor battery charge.
May 21, 2008: An Atlanta police officer was dispatched to Marshall's condo to enforce Watley's temporary restraining order while Watley was there removing her belongings. The officer described Marshall as being cooperative and Watley as being argumentative, though Watley told the officer she felt threatened by Marshall and his relatives who were also there.
Aug. 5, 2008: The NFL announced that Marshall was suspended for first three games (it was later reduced to one) of the season for violating NFL personal conduct policy.
March 1, 2009: Marshall took part in a fierce argument with Watley (his fiancée at the time) that leads to their arrest on disorderly conduct charges. The charges are dismissed the next day.
Aug. 14, 2009: A six-person Atlanta jury acquits Marshall on a misdemeanor battery charge stemming from the March 6, 2008 incident.
Aug. 28, 2009: Coach Josh McDaniels suspends Marshall for the remainder of the preseason for conduct detrimental to the team the day after he lost his cool at practice, punting away a football and batting down balls in frustration. He was reinstated on Sept. 6.
Feb. 26, 2010: Marshall testifies for the prosecution in the murder trial of Willie Clark, the man accused of killing former Bronco Darrent Williams on Jan. 1, 2007. Marshall was out with Williams the night of the murder.
April 22, 2011: Michi Nogami-Marshall, the women whom Marshall married three weeks prior, is arrested and jailed after she admits to police she stabbed her husband with a kitchen knife in self-defense. Marshall is hospitalized following emergency surgery to repair a non-life threatening stab wound to his stomach.
June 10, 2011: Nogami-Marshall is arrested after violating restraining order to stay away from Brandon Marshall and the couple's home.
July 14, 2011: Marshall reportedly tells with Florida state attorney's office that his wife did not stab him.
July 29, 2011: Aggravated battery charges against Nogami-Marshall are dropped.
July 31, 2011: Brandon Marshall reveals he was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder earlier in the year.
March 11, 2012: Marshall allegedly punches a woman at a Manhattan nightclub.
That was related to his bi-polar disorder and other mental illnesses. He received treatment and has done a great job with helping out bipolar and other mental illness campaigns.
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/912136851854684160
all 22 of the 4th and 8. not that it even matters what the playcall it never shouldve existed in the first place.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 25, 2017, 03:39:06 PM
That was related to his bi-polar disorder and other mental illnesses. He received treatment and has done a great job with helping out bipolar and other mental illness campaigns.
Don't use the word 'always'
Semantics
Anyone who knows about his past knows what he was dealing with
Quote from: MDS on September 25, 2017, 04:13:05 PM
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/912136851854684160
all 22 of the 4th and 8. not that it even matters what the playcall it never shouldve existed in the first place.
It was beyond retarded to run a play on 4th and 8. 4th and 1 or 4th and 2, ok...I can dig it. 4th and 8. No. That said, I can't imagine a more perfect play call for that situation and the defense that NY ran on that play. Pederpson is a dope but I have no idea wtf Wentz was waiting for there. Blount had a pretty easy 1st down. That much was evident on TV. That angle though showing Agholor open deeper down field is even more eye opening.
wentz looked completely lost all day...like he couldnt read the defense at all...maybe he was concentrating on not turning the ball over because at least he didnt have any of those
He was nervous with you in his presence.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2017, 06:17:14 PM
wentz looked completely lost all day...like he couldnt read the defense at all...maybe he was concentrating on not turning the ball over because at least he didnt have any of those
You are absolutely farging ridiculous.
Wentz deserves some credit for the 4Q come from behind victory. I started a spreadsheet to document them all:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RKLRVjusFDdlAlBRJZmlF7AH89S1G3Wmwj03YPacpko/edit?usp=sharing
Quote from: Rome on September 25, 2017, 07:54:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2017, 06:17:14 PM
wentz looked completely lost all day...like he couldnt read the defense at all...maybe he was concentrating on not turning the ball over because at least he didnt have any of those
You are absolutely farging ridiculous.
no your feelings are hurt because I'm being mean to the qb of your football team
Yeah, that's not it. You are farging ridiculous. His QB rating was 92.9 yesterday. The last pass he made to Jeffrey made the win possible. He didn't throw any picks. He managed the game and took what the Giants gave him. He won the game.
You literally can't be more of douche if you criticize the way he played yesterday, yet being the whiny attention-whoring bitch you are, you go right ahead and complain.
he had like 70 yards passing into the 4th quarter and was lost pretty much all day...he was bad...but congrats on not being an interception and fumbling machine again...that shtein had to stop
next step is his first career 3 td game
i told my dad wentz and doug were terrible and he was like "doug was, wentz was fine"
ive said it before ill say it again, itll never be wentz's fault for at least another 4-5 years. everyone will get blamed...doug, new coach, new oc, the line, the run game, the wrs, the weather. dakota tebow? nope.
Don't be ashamed of your proud Christian father.
I don't know if you guys know this, but the Giants have an excellent defense. The birds put more points up on them than the Lions or the Cowboys.
wentz may wind up being a very good qb but he was bad yesterday and cant throw the ball downfield. he did though put together 2 drives in 4Q and make a big throw in the final seconds. credit there.
thats all anyone is saying
If I need to win a game tomorrow and can pick any qb in the league, wentz would come in somewhere between 17-20. There are worse places for a 2nd year qb to be in his development. When I watch him he /looks/ like he'll become a franchise qb but Igy's right that he needs to protect the ball better and develop some form of accuracy down field.
Igy of course really exaggerates his issues by acting like he's terrible, but he still has obvious areas he needs to get better with.
He's a 2nd year qb with all new receivers and a moron as a head coach. He wasn't great yesterday but he got the job done.
My biggest problem with yesterday, and to a certain extent against the Chiefs, is they let teams hang around. You can't do that against good teams. The Chiefs laid a 14 spot on them in the 4th quarter. Up until that point the game was fairly even. Same with yesterday, they let a desperate Giants hang around and it almost cost them.
they "let them hang around" but that was entirely on the offense...shouldve had 3/4 score lead
the giants scored their 3 tds off: shanked punt short field, ertz fumble short field, broken sheppard play. the giants actually had amazing field position all day and had 0 to show for it before really odb made some unreal plays.
but to be fair they lost momentum, looked dead in the water, and they got 7 and then 3 in essential do-or-die drives. thats the sign of a team that may not be that bad!
Wentz doesn't suck by any means. But there are still a few things he sucks at. His deep ball is terribly innaccurate. He holds the ball too long. He looked off a completely uncovered Blount 6 yards in front of him on 4th down. So far this year he's been somewhere between below average and mediocre. He also sacked up in the most crucial moments yesterday, which should be encouraging.
To be fair, their best two players on defense were out for the second half and they were playing with a stitched-together secondary that wasn't even any good back when it was healthy. At a certain point it become blindingly obvious to everyone watching the game that it was part of the Eagles gameplan that quick intermediate throws were going to be there for Eli all day, and he was accurate enough to take advantage of that. Yet they still needed to rely on circus catches to make their comeback.
It was disappointing to see the Giants come back and tie things up, but under the circumstances it was totally reasonable, and the offense and coach weren't doing much to help out the defense in that second half.
Overall they got a W in another divisional game, and I'm happy about it, even if the game was sloppy and ugly for all involved.
it's not a matter if wentz does suck it's that yesterday he did suck...he's too young to permanently suck yet...the problem with yesterday was unlike times last year where wr's couldn't get open people were running dead free all day especially down the field and he didn't see any of them
i get that people want/need their savior to be good at all times but man do people go out of their way to not say anything bad about the kid
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2017, 06:14:22 AM
it's not a matter if wentz does suck it's that yesterday he did suck...he's too young to permanently suck yet...the problem with yesterday was unlike times last year where wr's couldn't get open people were running dead free all day especially down the field and he didn't see any of them
i get that people want/need their savior to be good at all times but man do people go out of their way to not say anything bad about the kid
When they went down 7 they looked dead. I chalked it up as a disappointing loss. He lead them down the field to tie it up. Then made an unbelievable pass to Jeffery in the middle of triple coverage to set up the gw fg.
The Skins just completely dominated and shutdown the Raiders, who are a top 5 offense.
The Chiefs are a legitimate top 5 D who were playing their home opener off a long week off with extra prep time with a coach on the otherside who was morons mentor
The Giants were as desperate-back-against-the-wall team as there is, their D - especially with Jenkins back - is legit.
The Birds scored more points against the Skins D than the Rams or the Raiders - both of the aforementioned teams have been lighting the scoreboard up this season.
The Birds scored the second most points against the Chiefs - only 7 less than the Pats who they were playing at home - with absolutely no running game. The entire offense was on Wentz's shoulders.
They scored more points against the desperate Giants than any other team in the league, which includes the Cowboys and Lions, both great offenses. He lead the team on a game tying TD drive and set them up for a FG with 40 seconds left on the clock.
He's not above criticism. My biggest criticism with him is his redzone efficiency. He now has legit receivers who he should be able to hit in the endzone, instead he panics. Maybe some of that has to do with playcalling, maybe it's he's just young.
just awesome stuff from mclane
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-jalen-mills-odell-beckham-new-york-giants-20170927.html?amphtml=y&mobi=true
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2017, 07:49:26 AM
easier to see at the stadium (versus tv) especially from our seats which are high in the end zone perfect for seeing entire formations and stuff but mills was on an island pretty much the whole day with odb....no safety over the top no linebacker shaded inside nothing
Schwartz: I'm really proud of the way he hung in there, and never flinched ... as the game went on. It was a hot game, we started playing a lot of snaps, we got over 70 snaps, [and he] never asked for [a double team] or Cover 2.
3 minutes of wentzy miced up. spoiler alert: hes a dork
http://tinyurl.com/y7qfkhyp
will. not. listen.
i did see the mic upped replay of the kick...every player on the field definitely said "farg yeah" or "holy shtein" when it went thru....wentz said golly gee or something like that
it was "you son of a gun"
when they first posted it there were a number of comments on facebook praising him for not cursing. this is going in the same direction as tebow. because hes a super jesus freak a certain segment of the fanbase that lines up with that thought process will never ever under any circumstances criticize him for anything.
He literally says nothing but banalities like "let's go" and "that's what I'm talking about" which makes it no different from 90% of the mic'd up videos the NFL has done.
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2017, 09:59:25 AM
this is going in the same direction as tebow.
yup and its sickening
Who do you hate more - Wentz, "5" or yourself?
Himself wearing a McNabb jersey and nothing else.
i don't need wentz to act "street" to root for him. being a very good qb would be enough. hopefully he gets there.
Quote from: Rome on September 28, 2017, 01:05:08 PM
Who do you hate more - Wentz, "5" or yourself?
1. zealots
2. douchebags
3. me
Seriously, whatever.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxaIDQFXAAo_CZe.jpg)
more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHsuZ0J_eqA
I don't care if he prays to Jesus 24 hours a day so long as he wins on Sunday.
if wentz came out of the tunnel to wu-tang clan he'd cream his size 48 pants.
Quote from: Rome on September 28, 2017, 03:55:17 PM
I don't care if he prays to Jesus 24 hours a day so long as he wins on Sunday.
POTW #1
Quote from: smeags on September 28, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
if wentz came out of the tunnel to wu-tang clan he'd cream his size 48 pants.
POTW #2