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After being tasered in back and hit in head with champagne bottle, taterskins OT Trent Williams was given and passed two concussion tests.

QuoteIt's an awkward fact of life in Washington, DC, that we are home to both the Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian and the Washington taterskins. One attempts to preserve the Native American cultures that weren't eradicated by conquest; the other is both a symbol and result of the same eradication. These two worlds collided this past week when the museum hosted a day-long symposium about Native American sports nicknames. In a packed auditorium, panelists and audience members took the local team to task, calling their name "ugly," "offensive" and "a racist slur." Former Colorado Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell, the only Native American senator in US history, said from the stage, "If you want [your mascot] to be a savage—use your own picture." Not one person either in the audience or the crowd defended the use of "taterskin," because, as one fan of the team said to me, "it really is defending the indefensible."

Despite repeated requests from the museum, the taterskins refused to send anyone to make the case publicly that the name is anything other than a self-evident slur. Like their owner, the ham-fisted, rabbit-eared Dan Snyder, they celebrate the moniker only when no one is present to challenge them. Since purchasing the franchise in 1999, Snyder has maintained that the name "taterskins" was a "tribute," as former team Vice President Karl Swanson said, "derived from the Native American tradition for warriors to daub their bodies with red clay before battle." This is not an argument they felt confident making at the Smithsonian because the laughter would have cracked the Capitol dome. The team name was the brainchild not of an anthropologist who advised on the fierce honor of the "red-clay warriors" but of team founder, segregationist and Dixiecrat George Preston Marshall.

Senator Campbell said that he asks people, "How would you feel if the team was called the Washington Darkies?" George Preston Marshall would have felt euphoric because he adored minstrel shows and fetishized the confederacy. As Thomas G. Smith wrote in his book Showdown: JFK and the Integration of the Washington taterskins, when Marshall proposed marriage to his future wife Corrine, he did so "amidst fragrant honeysuckle while a group of African American performers [dressed like house-slave extras from Gone with the Wind] sang 'Carry Me Back to Old Virginny,'" a song that speaks lovingly of how slaves love to see affection between their "Massa and Missus." The taterskins were named for the minstrelsy Marshall adored and, as the southernmost team in the league at the time, to appeal to Dixie. They were also, surprise, the last team in the NFL to integrate.

If you know this background, it's risible to hear NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell say, "I think Dan Snyder and the organization have made it very clear that they are proud of that name and that heritage, and I think the fans are, too." There is nothing to be proud of in this "heritage," unless your tastes tend toward the antebellum South. In a league that's 70 percent African-American yet couldn't seem to find any coaches or executives of color to hire this off-season, the taterskins are also a reminder, as William Faulkner wrote, that "The past is never dead. It's not even past."

Despite this awful, seemingly entrenched history, there is change on the immediate horizon in the face and play of the team's star quarterback, Robert Griffin III. RGIII hasn't said a word about the team's name but his very presence represents the greatest threat to Marshall's legacy. Griffin is recovering from knee surgery after the finest statistical season of any rookie quarterback in the history of the game. The team won their division and, with the mercury-quick Griffin under center, also became must-see TV. Beyond just the swooning local sports writers, DC figures like Maureen Dowd, Marco Rubio, and President Obama all giggled with glee in RGIII's glow. If the 23-year-old wonder said tomorrow that the team should be called the Washington Cuddly Snuggles, it would happen. But even if RGIII never says a thing, the better this team gets and the closer they come to the Super Bowl, the more this name goes from a quietly uttered embarrassment to a full blown national conversation. Do you think the NFL and Roger Goodell, on top of answering questions about concussions, lawsuits and the dwindling number of black coaches, want to talk about anti-Native racism?

Even if Dan Snyder doesn't want it to happen, it's going to happen. As former taterskin Tre Johnson said, "It's an ethnically insensitive moniker that offends an entire race of displaced people. That should be reason enough to change it." It should be, but if you know Dan Snyder, you know it will take more. Maybe an RGIII shall lead us. Or maybe, as Curtis Mayfield advised about the very civil rights movement George Preston Marshall so vehemently opposed, we're just going to have to "keep on pushin." Either way, you might want to put your new RGIII jersey in mothballs because in the future the only place you'll find taterskins gear will be behind glass; maybe at an exhibit at the National Museum of the American Indian.

QuoteThe collection of newspapers which have expressed opposition to the name 'taterskins' by omitting it from their publications are beginning to stack up.

The Kansas City Star – hometown paper to the Chiefs – made sports talk radio waves last summer when it explicitly laid out the reasons why it would no longer print the name, in a piece titled: "Star Policy on Washington NFL Team's Name."

Here's an excerpt from the Star's public editor on Sept. 24:

"I remain unconvinced by every argument I've ever heard that the name is not a racial epithet, plain and simple. And I'll even break my usual rule about commenting on issues outside The Star's journalism to say that I find it inconceivable that the NFL still allows such a patently offensive name and mascot to represent the league in 2012."

And now it seems they have help.

The Washington City Paper, DCist, and even select Washington Post writers have joined the Star in its uphill struggle against tradition.

"I understand people don't like it. Some people like the name, some people don't like it. Some people want it changed, some people don't," 106.7 the Fan's Danny Rouhier said Wednesday on Holden and Danny. "To me, an outlet that is responsible for covering the news, deciding as a policy that they're not going to say the name of the team is irresponsible."

"I don't even know if irresponsible is the right word, I just think it's flat out wrong," Holden Kushner said. "You're job as a journalist is to report the news. Now there's opinion columns. The Kansas City Star came out with a nice opinion column saying why they're not going to use the name anymore."

"The landscape of journalism has changed a lot," Kushner continue. "People take stands now. Things evolve. Things get reported that weren't reported, but I'm with you on this. The name of the team is the taterskins. You talk about the taterskins, you write the taterskins. You don't have to make yourself the center of the story when you do this."

"What you're doing is you're imitating kind of the way our social phenomenon are going now with social media," Danny said. "Everybody gets to be a critic. Everybody gets their own little Facebook page so everybody's value is the same online. So a newspaper outlet is reflecting whenever John Q public is like, 'I hate the name taterskins. I'm not saying it anymore on my Facebook wall.'"

As talks of a possible name change continue it will grow increasingly more difficult for the taterskins themselves to ignore the issue, leaving only one thing certain: at some point we'll all to take a stand.

Quote from: Diomedes on May 19, 2013, 04:25:06 PM
She's plenty hot enough.  He's no beauty either.

Quote from: Diomedes on May 19, 2013, 04:40:51 PM
You have not.

Quote from: Eagaholic on May 19, 2013, 05:39:57 PM
If you're talking marriage, after a certain point hotness is a relatively minor consideration. A lot of rich guys learn that the hard way.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2013, 10:57:46 PM
...email the fargtard.

Quote@jimmychan79: @dcsportsbog got him a tubmat so he doesn't slip and fall and hurt his knee. Also made a matching donation to a charity for all the critics

Quote@HTTR24_7: Wonder if the Sean Taylor tragedy subconsciously has something to do with fans going above and beyond to appreciate Robert..

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2013, 07:06:36 PM
Hahahah Jesus Christ almighty these people

Quote@HTTR24_7: Wonder if the Sean Taylor tragedy subconsciously has something to do with fans going above and beyond to appreciate Robert..

holy shtein die

Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 21, 2013, 09:31:42 AM
Is Phreak following Skins fans on twitter?

Quote from: ice grillin you on May 21, 2013, 10:06:33 AM
hes an idiot for getting married

Quote from: ice grillin you on May 21, 2013, 10:06:33 AM
hes an idiot for getting married at 23 regardless of what he does and who it is....the fact that hes a pro athlete and marrying that hag is super retarded

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Washington WR Pierre Garçon commented to reporters that he thought "the taterskins' offense could be the best ever in the NFL". Thoughts?

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2013, 09:29:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vndh77xCXzY

Quote from: QB Eagles on July 26, 2013, 01:08:43 PM
keenan robinson, torn pec, done. again.

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When you include violations of the substance abuse policy [with PEDs], the taterskins have had eight players suspended by the league since the beginning of the 2011 season.

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2013, 09:29:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vndh77xCXzY

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2013, 10:45:32 AM
putting it on the internet:  ??????

QuoteThe NFL Makes a Fortune on Racist Language
NFL fans slamming Riley Cooper (who deserves to be slammed) are hypocrites.
By Michael Bradley
August 5, 2013

Riley Cooper is an idiot. His hateful performance at a country concert was hurtful and could still spell the end of his time with the Eagles. His journey back to credibility with his teammates makes a Schuylkill traffic jam look like 200 miles of open South Dakota highway and may never lead to redemption. All of this has been discussed and dissected. Cooper is in counseling, and football returns to Philadelphia Friday, offering a needed respite from the ugly incident.

But there is a larger issue here that hasn't been addressed, and it's time to hold some people accountable.

Plainly put, anybody in the media or the NFL world who has expressed outrage and disgust over Cooper's rant and still uses the racist nickname of the Washington franchise should be disqualified from the discussion.

This is not negotiable. The league persists in degrading Native Americans with a hurtful appellation, all in the name of commerce, and those who continue to refer to Washington by a word that burns a sector of our country with white-hot intensity are complicit in the racism. People who claim that those offended are merely succumbing to political correctness should read the stories of Native Americans who were slurred with the word as they were forced into a crippling poverty that persists today. In some Native American communities, like the Blackfoot Reservation in Montana, the annual unemployment rate tops 60 percent.

If you think using a derogatory word as a sports team's nickname doesn't perpetuate a stereotype, then you are kidding yourself and listening to those who say Native Americans should relax and stop being so politically correct. Giving out trophies to Little Leaguers for trying is politically correct. Ceasing the use of a racist term that has been used for decades is the right thing to do.

Of course Washington owner Danny Snyder and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell are marching arm-and-arm on this one, each beholden to the almighty buck. Snyder has said the franchise will NEVER (his capital letters) change its name. Goodell backed him up, bottom line in mind. It's funny that someone who is so tough on the players is such a pushover for the owners. Oh, right, the players don't pay his salary, which was reported to be $29.5 million in 2011. At that rate, a new expansion team could be called just about any racial or ethnic slur, and Goodell would rubber-stamp it, so long as the franchise's brand was strong.

It's time for the same media outlets that have decried Cooper's actions to show some fortitude. Stop using the Washington team's nickname. Stop perpetuating a racist term. Stop glorifying the NFL for your own profit to the point that it doesn't matter whether you carry headlines that belittle a group of people. If Snyder were to lose his willing promotional partners, he might stop making all-caps proclamations regarding his future actions and change. So what if it is based solely on a shrunken bottom line? It doesn't matter how it happens, so long as it occurs.

The video containing Cooper's remark created a legitimate sense of indignation among African-Americans, from the Eagles locker room to the furthest reaches of America. There have been newspaper columns about the need for serious discussion about race and TV commentary about how racism remains alive in this country. Cooper's hateful performance has no doubt triggered countless discussions about how words can wound and denigrate. Those are all good things.

Now, it's time to broaden the discussion. It's time for the people who have expressed anger over the incident to look at what happens when a Native American sees the Washington name in print or hears it being said on TV as if it were a benign designation. There are precious few Native Americans in the NFL — Rams QB Sam Bradford is the highest-profile player — so when the offensive word is used, there is no outcry in most locker rooms. The 2010 census revealed Native Americans comprise 1.2% of the population. That's not a strong lobby and certainly not powerful enough to take on the NFL.

It's uncertain whether the Cooper incident will have a long-term effect on the Eagles. The locker room is in a huge state of flux right now, and given the remarks of some players in the last week, it's unlikely this will end quickly. The good news is that there is a football game on Friday night, and we will be able to speak about something besides the Cooper debacle.

The Washington mess, however, isn't going away. That's a good thing. It's time for external pressure to make Snyder and Goodell rethink their institutional racist stances and change things. From now on, the media needs to eschew the use of the term. Show some spine. Take the stand. Do it right.

Then, we'll take on the Cleveland You-know-whos of the MLB.

QuoteAdam Schefter
taterskins HC Mike Shanahan in RGIII: "Without a setback, I believe he will be ready for the first game (vs. Philadelphia)."

QuoteConversely, with the love that this team has for Robert, I think that a lot of guys would do anything to protect him.  There would certainly be a hat passed around to cover any fines for getting a revenge shot in, and opposing teams know that.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2013, 06:15:36 PM
that girl pissing validly turned me on

QuoteThe boycott of the Washington taterskins nickname is growing.  At first it was the Washington City Paper.  Then non-sports outlets like Mother Jones and Slate.  Now, a pair of the nation's most read and most influential sportswriters are banishing "taterskins" from their writing.

First, SI's Peter King announced in a column that he was choosing to move forward without the nickname.  (It was earlier insinuated by MMQB writer Robert Klemko that the website as a whole would not use the "taterskins" nickname but King said it will be up to each individual staffer.)

Second, and just as significant, Grantland emperor Bill Simmons is also jettisoning the Washington taterskins in favor of the "Washington D.C.'s."  There was no announcement or explanation from Simmons.

This is no longer just a grass roots movement or something that can be brushed aside by Dan Snyder or taterskins fans as the PC police run amok.  This movement has now firmly taken hold in the mainstream sporting culture.  That one of America's top football writers (King) and America's most influential sports personalities (Simmons) would make this decision will prove to be a seminal moment.

King and Simmons have over 3 million Twitter followers between them.  Now that they've taken this step, many others currently on the fence will feel comfortable following suit.  This initiative isn't slowing down anytime soon.  More and more sportswriters around America will refuse to use the taterskins nickname as the season progresses now that King and Simmons are on board.  What happens when other ESPN, or SI, or Fox personalities make the same decision?  What happens when a SportsCenter anchor refuses to say "taterskins" during an NFL highlight?  It's inevitable.  Once a critical mass is reached, Roger Goodell will step in and say enough is enough and the "taterskins" will be no more.

The decision by King and Simmons makes it clear - we're in the final days of the Washington taterskins as we know it.  The change will happen, it's just a matter of when the resistance decides to stop fighting a losing battle.  As "taterskins" gradually disappears from the mainstream sporting culture, sooner or later the nickname won't be worth the negativity attached to it.

QuoteWhat happens when other ESPN, or SI, or Fox personalities make the same decision?

QuoteAnd for the fans that were booing tonight, you should be ashamed of yourself.  Whoever you are, you don't deserve a Robert Griffin the Third.

QuoteBooing at the half.



That was embarrassing and disgraceful.



You DON'T boo or abuse when the games going on. It's completely and utterly asinine and self defeating. And anyone that did, or comes out with some trumped up excuse that 'they deserved it/ I paid my hard earned bucks so I have a right to do what I want' et all should be thoroughly ashamed. Sit on your hands. Kick your seat. ANYTHING but give the players ****. How anyone thinks that is going to help and inspire them is beyond me. Let them know at the end if they deserve it by all means. But NOT during the game.



A LOT of our fanbase need educating on just what being a supporter is all about. Key's in the first 7 letters.

QuoteHey mods...
If any of you have an in to the Inner Circle... Pass this along for me.

Hey team, Hawgboy here.
Just want to say that while tonight's loss may sting.
You NEVER quit! You came up short but you battled
Until the end and that's all I can ask. Robert, you weren't at your best
Tonight, but by the end, you and the rest of the showed pride.
I'm proud to be a Skins fan. We'll lick em next week.
hawgboy

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2013, 11:23:24 PM
Guy on ES asking a mod to pass this along to be read to the team

QuoteHey mods...
If any of you have an in to the Inner Circle... Pass this along for me.

Hey team, Hawgboy here.
Just want to say that while tonight's loss may sting.
You NEVER quit! You came up short but you battled
Until the end and that's all I can ask. Robert, you weren't at your best
Tonight, but by the end, you and the rest of the showed pride.
I'm proud to be a Skins fan. We'll lick em next week.
hawgboy

lololol....

Quote from: ice grillin youThe taterskins fans are incredible.

Quote from: phattymatty on September 10, 2013, 12:07:23 AM
rgknee said "we had a serious case of the can't get rights"

what a farging cornball

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2013, 11:23:24 PM
Hey team, Hawgboy here.

Quote from: SunMo on September 10, 2013, 07:31:21 AM

Quote from: phattymatty on September 10, 2013, 12:07:23 AM
rgknee said "we had a serious case of the can't get rights"

what a farging cornball

the absolute worst was pregame when lisa salters asked him his emotions and he started quoting will smith in Hitch.

QuoteDan Steinberg ‏@dcsportsbog 19m

After RGIII's presser, some rando dude thanked him on behalf of taterskins fans "for letting us be happy."

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
it crazy to think but wash is going to win the division again

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 08:36:12 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
it crazy to think but wash is going to win the division again

:-D

Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2013, 08:42:09 PM
jesus look at this troll

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:38:51 PM

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Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
it crazy to think but wash is going to win the division again

:-D

$25

??

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 08:51:12 PM
$50

Quote from: SD on September 29, 2013, 08:52:24 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:38:51 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 08:36:12 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
it crazy to think but wash is going to win the division again

:-D

$25

??

Can I get in on $25?

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 08:51:12 PM
$50

you get 50 if dallas wins I get 75 if the skins win

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 09:06:46 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 08:51:12 PM
$50

you get 50 if dallas wins I get 75 if the skins win

Haha...you know what? I shouldn't give you some crummy odds like that but I will.

I get $50 if anyone but Wash wins
You get $75 if the Skins win

Quote"When I consider the Washington taterskins name, I think of what it stands for. I think of the Washington taterskins traditions and pride I want to share with my three children, just as my father shared with me -- and just as you have shared with your family and friends," Snyder said.

QuoteSo you can imagine my dismay when I saw my name and words used to defend the racist Washington taterskins name. My son-in-law, ESPN's Rick Reilly, completely misunderstood the conversation we had, quoting me as saying "the whole issue is so silly. The name just doesn't bother me much. It's an issue that shouldn't be an issue, not with all the problems we've got in this country."

But that's not what I said.

What I actually said is that "it's silly in this day and age that this should even be a battle — if the name offends someone, change it." He failed to include my comments that the term "taterskins" demeans Indians, and historically is insulting and offensive, and that I firmly believe the Washington taterskins should change their name.

When Rick's article came out, it upset me to be portrayed as an "Uncle Tom" in support of this racial slur. I asked him to correct the record. He has not, so I must do it myself.

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2013, 06:34:43 PM
I don't get what his dog in the fight is...why is he so opposed to the taterskins changing their name that he would write a bogus story

• He honestly believes there's nothing wrong with the name.

QuoteI wonder if the NFL is screwing over the Skins to "encourage" them to change the name and not cause the league trouble

QuoteAll of this crap has to be related to the name change.   I'm getting sick of political agendas on something that is supposed to be for entertainment.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 09:15:55 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 09:06:46 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 08:51:12 PM
$50

you get 50 if dallas wins I get 75 if the skins win

Haha...you know what? I shouldn't give you some crummy odds like that but I will.

I get $50 if anyone but Wash wins
You get $75 if the Skins win

the odds are completely fair because dallas has a lead right now

QuoteThanks refs.  I hope you enjoy your envelopes of cash.



What a joke.  I was going to buy a new Almo jersey if we won this game but Im done giving the NFL ANY OF MY MONEY ANYMORE.



IT IS RIGGED and I hope this game opens a lot of eyes.  Good night all.

QuoteI have honestly never seen a hold as blatant as the one on Reed at the goal line.  Never,  He held him 3 times.  Even the idiot announcers were amazed.



I'm sorry but there is an agenda here.



2 games now and not a single holding call.

QuoteIt is rigged.  I think it did open a lot of eyes tonight.  Even my brother, who doesn't really care too much about football noticed it, especially the time when the ref spotted the ball, then looked up at the chains and picked the ball up to spot it at the 1st down.  The fix is obviously in.  You'll have some say "that's loser talk" and that kind of noise, but that kind of talk is why the NFL gets away with rigging games.

QuoteIf it was one game that's one thing.  We get screwed on calls EVERY WEEK.  Rinse and repeat.  Remember the Cowboys butt punt for example?  Yeah that's when I knew the name change political crap was creeping into the games.  Goodell is a NYC liberal, Snyder is a conservative and has disobeyed His Holyness The Commissioner and that will not be tolerated.  Goodell = Bloomberg    Politics has creeped into the games and the refs know who butters their bread.  That new union deal last year meant the refs sold their souls.

QuoteDon't forget the Indian curse that **** Suzan Harejo and the Oneida Nation put on us...and all of them being allowed to congregate and protest outside the stadium.

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Dear RG3... an open letter and tough love from a fan.

This is really tough for me to write because I truly am a huge fan. I honestly believe that you have all the tools to be the best ever. As someone who was born in Japan to a military family myself, I kind of view you as a brother because of that shared experience.  And it's with that in mind... with all due respect and love that I say....

SHUT THE HELL UP. Seriously dude, it's time to shut up and look in the mirror.

When you were drafted you were quick to tell everyone who would listen that you were NOT just a running QB. What happened to that dude? Because somewhere along the way you started playing like you were looking for a good ESPN highlight reel, threw caution to the wind, and eventually hurt yourself. Then when you re-injured yourself, you hid the truth from the coaches and eventually did even worse damage to yourself and the team. Did you look in the mirror? NO. You blamed everyone else for your bad decisions.

Then this year, we all heard you complain that Shanahan was holding you back. You were ready.... Operation patience.... Cough, cough.... Bull****. You were horrible. You clearly spent the offseason focused on rehabbing the knee which was not strong enough for you to play well. And you clearly used time on your knee, that could have been used in the film room learning to better read defenses an master the nuances of being an NFL QB (more on this soon). It's understandable that classroom study suffered while you were working so hard on your knee... it really is... right up until you open your mouth and complain how someone else is holding you back when as we all have seen, you were not. You can start your mental rehab now by saying it out loud. "I was wrong" I wasn't as ready as I thought I was.". It's OK. We will forgive you.

But here's where I'm starting to get really disappointed... After the Eagles game you said: "Obviously, we were able to run the ball effectively, but in the passing game; they kind of had us. They kind of knew what was coming before it was coming and like I said, that is disheartening." Really? We did all right with the run but "they kind of knew what was coming" with the pass. Gosh... You mean it wasn't all of our play calling that we got out coached on. JUST THE PART THAT YOU WERE RUNNING.

Here's a thought... Maybe... just maybe... YOU WERE TELEGRAPHING YOUR THROWS. Why do you think it is you keep getting balls batted back at you? Because D linemen have figured out that you are staring down your receivers.

Fortunately this is an easy thing to fix with a little practice. Just look the defense off and mess with their minds. I know you can do it. You damn sure are smart enough. The only real question at this time is can you squash your ego, and look in the mirror. Or are you going to blame everyone else and waste the god given talent you have by not being critical enough of yourself to identify the things you need to improve.

One final tip... If you want to be the best, then pattern yourself after the best. You should be studying Payton Manning. If you can get anywhere near as good as him at manipulating defenses and picking them apart through the air, your natural athletic ability would make you unstoppable. And It wouldn't hurt to take notes when he speaks as well. No one says you can't be yourself. Just turn down the volume a little and let your play speak for itself. In the long run, you will be just fine.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 19, 2013, 11:49:34 AM
Saw Jurgenson was lobbying for Cousins to come into the game sunday.

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I'm not sure if it was exactly a Cronkite moment, but Robert Griffin III lost Sonny Jurgensen on Sunday. At least twice.

The first time came in the third quarter, when the taterskins trailed 24-0 and had accomplished virtually nothing in their passing game.

"Why not play Cousins?" Jurgensen asked during the taterskins Radio Network broadcast, heard locally on ESPN 980.
"Robert's in the game, he turns, he gives it to Alfred Morris on the run, gains a yard," Larry Michael said. "You're gonna pull the plug already, huh?"
"It's not pulling the plug, it's getting a change," Jurgensen said. "Make a change. Can it be any worse? You get four yards passing in a half? I would look at the other quarterback, see if he can make something happen. It's not the end of the world. They take out pitchers, don't they?"
"They do take out pitchers," Chris Cooley agreed. "Having a bad game, have a seat."
"Having a bad game," Jurgensen continued. "The curveball's not breaking."
On the next drive, RGIII threw a poor screen pass that was nearly intercepted by Fletcher Cox. (It was called an interception on the field, and later reversed.)
"That was a horrible pass," Michael said. "Trying to dump it to Roy Helu, and he threw it right to Fletcher Cox."
"You've got to see Kirk Cousins," Jurgensen said.
"You're about to," Cooley agreed.
"Jeez. Give me a break," Jurgensen sputtered.
"That was just a horrible attempt," Michael said. "He throws it right to the defensive lineman. He wasn't even close to finding the receiver that time."
The interception, of, course, came back, and Griffin soon threw two touchdown passes. But Jurgensen still asked Coach Mike Shanahan after the game whether he had considered making a change.
"Coach did you ever think, when things were going so badly in the passing game, of going with Cousins?" Jurgensen asked during the postgame show.
"No, I really didn't," Shanahan answered. "I thought Robert would get things going again, feel a little bit more comfortable. But when you don't move the ball — sometimes it's a dropped pass, sometimes it might be a protection error, sometimes it may be a misread — but collectively, when you go on the road, you've got to play one of your better games to win. And we didn't do that today."

Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 19, 2013, 11:03:09 AM

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Dear RG3... an open letter and tough love from a fan.

This is really tough for me to write because I truly am a huge fan. I honestly believe that you have all the tools to be the best ever. As someone who was born in Japan to a military family myself, I kind of view you as a brother because of that shared experience.  And it's with that in mind... with all due respect and love that I say....

SHUT THE HELL UP. Seriously dude, it's time to shut up and look in the mirror.

When you were drafted you were quick to tell everyone who would listen that you were NOT just a running QB. What happened to that dude? Because somewhere along the way you started playing like you were looking for a good ESPN highlight reel, threw caution to the wind, and eventually hurt yourself. Then when you re-injured yourself, you hid the truth from the coaches and eventually did even worse damage to yourself and the team. Did you look in the mirror? NO. You blamed everyone else for your bad decisions.

wait i thought he refused mcnabb's advise on how to handle things ?

Quote from: smeags on November 19, 2013, 12:16:25 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 19, 2013, 11:03:09 AM

Quote
Dear RG3... an open letter and tough love from a fan.

This is really tough for me to write because I truly am a huge fan. I honestly believe that you have all the tools to be the best ever. As someone who was born in Japan to a military family myself, I kind of view you as a brother because of that shared experience.  And it's with that in mind... with all due respect and love that I say....

SHUT THE HELL UP. Seriously dude, it's time to shut up and look in the mirror.

When you were drafted you were quick to tell everyone who would listen that you were NOT just a running QB. What happened to that dude? Because somewhere along the way you started playing like you were looking for a good ESPN highlight reel, threw caution to the wind, and eventually hurt yourself. Then when you re-injured yourself, you hid the truth from the coaches and eventually did even worse damage to yourself and the team. Did you look in the mirror? NO. You blamed everyone else for your bad decisions.

wait i thought he refused mcnabb's advise on how to handle things ?

I think its funny that as much as RGIII tried to separate himself from '5', he's got the same exact  flaws. 

QuoteAdam Schefter
If draft were held today, Rams would own the 6th overall pick from Washington via RGIII trade as well as their own 11th overall pick.

QuoteAndrew Siciliano ‏@AndrewSiciliano 2h

Our friend @MikeSilver says RGIII asked coaches to stop putting his negative plays on film in front of the team during meetings.

QuoteNFL Media PR ‏@InsideNFLMedia 1h

.@MikeSilver: "Inside the building when you talk to people familiar with this situation they perceive RG3 as kind of insecure."

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 25, 2013, 10:34:58 PM
Griffin got kicked square in the nuts...lol

Quote from: SD on September 29, 2013, 08:52:24 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:38:51 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2013, 08:36:12 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
it crazy to think but wash is going to win the division again

:-D

$25

??

Can I get in on $25?

Quote@SI_PeterKing: RT @jasonrmcintyre: RG3 sacked 26 times this yr. @JasonLisk & @mshamburger1 pulled video: His OL has only helped him up 3 times ... Telling.

Quote"People are trying to character assassinate me," the man known as RG III said, "and it's unfortunate."

Quote from: smeags on November 27, 2013, 12:14:28 PM
wait ... i thought rg3 was the best thing to come along in the nfl since the football ?

Quote"A guy that I take pride in -- I destroyed his career -- is Fred Smoot," Smith said Wednesday on ESPN's "Mike & Mike" radio show. "He was never the same after. After coming in Bank of America Stadium, things just went downhill (for him) from there."

Smith humiliated the trash-talking Smoot to the tune of a franchise-high 201 yards and a touchdown in a 2005 game in which Smith unveiled his rowboat celebration as a shot at the Vikings' infamous love boat scandal.

"Whatchamacallit was talking to me in the pregame," Smith said about Smoot after the game. "When somebody is banging on your door, I am not going to hide in the corner ... I am going to open it."

Smith quipped that he remembers the game like it was yesterday.

Does Smith's claim of ruining Smoot's career have any merit? The cornerback played well enough in his first four seasons to land a $34 million contract from the Vikings in 2005. A year and a half later, he was unceremoniously dumped, finishing out his NFL career as a coverage liability with the taterskins.

QuoteNovember 27, 2007.  Darkest day in taterskins history.

QuoteExtremeSkins Fan View: Cap Hell Rocks!
By Arthur Mills
ExtremeSkins.com
March 16, 2006

Don't hate us because we're beautiful.

No more blank, wondering stares, confused head scratching, frothing emotional outbursts, conspiracy theories or embarrassing, dismissive references to 2000. The Washington taterskins are the central theme of every NFL team message board out there. Here's a message to you all from all ExtremeSkins fans everywhere.

It's time to embrace the reality of it all. Simply, we're better than you.

That's it. Look no further. We are better than you. We're more fun. It feels better to be us. We've got flair. We're audacious, capricious, bodacious, supercalifragilisticxpalidocious.

Are you finally getting it?

Yes, yes, I know cap hell was supposed to be upon us. I know that's what you've been told. I feel for you, I really do. As you come to realize we're better than you, a second bit of stark reality must also penetrate. We're smarter than them.

Repeat after me.

The Washington taterskins are managed, coached and owned by highly professional people who know more about running a football franchise than ALL the unnamed, anonymous sources any reporter has yanked from the broom closet and quoted.

Don't take my word for it. Take the following words for it.

Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, Adam Archuleta, Andre Carter, Todd Collins, Christian Fauria.

The question you all should be asking isn't, "How is all this possible?" No. The question should be, "How didn't we know this was all possible?"

Six years of assurances cap hell was on the way and you still allowed yourself to believe the tripe. Perhaps busting the cap hell myth as it relates to the Washington taterskins is just too painful a thing for media and fans of other teams to do.

Like a child coming to the harsh knowledge Santa doesn't exist, the media and opposing teams' fans are struggling desperately to hang on to the fiction that cap hell is on the way for the taterskins despite--literally--YEARS of demonstrated contrary evidence.

Here's the best part.

You don't have to hate us for what we're doing. You can do it, too.

"The thing I want to emphasize is this: We haven't done one thing that anybody else can't do," Joe Gibbs said after the introductory press conference for Andre Carter. "We have certain rules in the league. Here's the cap, here's the numbers, here's what you can spend, so everybody in the league can do what we're doing, it's just that they choose not to, many of them."

Deep down, this is really the issue, isn't it? You can do it too and you know it, but, your team doesn't do it, so, you have a hard choice. Hate your team, or hate us.

Say you're a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles. You always have all those many millions available, which somehow never seem to get spent. All week you're hearing how you have LeCharles Bentley locked up as your free agent masterstroke to solidify your offensive line.

You are giddy. You're thrilled. You know this is the guy you need. He fills a need and makes it a strength. You're excited about the prospects of adding such a substantial piece. Then, the Cleveland Browns call, offer a few more bucks to Bentley and Bentley winds up in Cleveland leaving you with nothing more than whimpering excuses that Bentley is from Cleveland and always wanted to play there.

Oh, hush.

Antwaan Randle El is from Chicago. He's always wanted to play there. Yet he's playing in D.C. Adam Archuleta admits he adores Lovie Smith after years playing for him with St. Louis and wanted to play with him in Chicago. Yet he's playing in D.C. Andre Carter just had to meet the Broncos because his father played there 12 years and he envisioned being the second generation of his family with the team. Yet he's playing in D.C.

And it's driving you crazy because you were so excited and thrilled about the prospects of adding a good player your management and owner can't figure out how to land while we get EVERY single player we shoot at.

We get to actually live the thrill and giddiness you only get to brush up against. And it's killing you.

Did we pay a premium for generally young players entering their prime with years left to play in the NFL? You bet we did. Kind of like when the Eagles lock up their own young players for a premium before they really emerge on the scene and everyone calls that genius. Think of it like that, only, with the component of actually being smart because an expensive 24-year-old promising receiver suddenly becomes a very cheap 26-year-old receiver when he grabs 80 balls.

See, we already had good players under contract. Now we have more.

As you struggle to find words to describe the coming cap doom heading our way, try to process one final thought. When you have that free agent you need all lined up and you don't get him, well, isn't that really what cap hell feels like?

I wouldn't know, because I don't ever have to feel that way.

Quote from: General_Failure on November 27, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
Is Cousins better at getting pounded into the turf? Because that's what they really need at the moment.

QuoteAfter his team fell to 3-8 on Monday night, Griffin said the frustrating part of that record is that he and his teammates know that they're better than their 3-8 record would suggest.

"Any time you lose in the National Football League, there's going to be criticism and we understand that," Griffin said. "The hardest part of all of this is probably the fact that we know that we're not what our record says we are."

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 28, 2013, 02:01:45 AM
http://es.taterskins.com/topic/374433-sean-taylor-six-years-later-we-still-remember/

Quote#21's time here was cut too short.

RIP Deion Sanders.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 28, 2013, 11:05:42 AM
Thank you Todd!

That article is the best ever.

Quote"We thought going into the game the cowbell was Alfred Morris," Giants middle linebacker Jon Beason said. "You look at when he has a big game vs. when he doesn't have a big game, even when RG3 has a big game, they don't do too well. He's the guy that makes them go."

The Giants took the player they consider most integral to Washington's offense and made him a non-factor. Morris had 11 yards on nine carries in the first half. He finished with 26 yards on 11 carries in the contest.

...

"Fortunately for us [Sunday night], we were able to take Alfred out of the game," Giants defensive end Justin Tuck said. "RG hurt us in the first half running the football, but that was design by us to make sure we took Alfred out of the game.

....

Coughlin: "We knew the quarterback was going to keep the ball, but we were more concerned with the run to be honest with you – both runners [Morris and Roy Helu]."

Quote from: QB Eagles on December 02, 2013, 07:28:56 PM
Oh come on. The fans are right to bitch. Knowing the down could easily affect what plays you run, and the timing couldn't be more critical. I'm enjoying it because it's the Skins, but that is a huge farg up by the officiating crew. It's not an excuse for losing the game, but it was a big, possibly game-changing error, and I would be furious at the officials if that had been the Eagles.

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 08, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10101919/mike-shanahan-was-ready-quit-washington-taterskins-2012-season

QuoteHTTR24-7.com ‏@HTTR24_7 9m

Can't make fun of Philly fans anymore..taterskins fans are throwing snowballs at people on the field
Retweeted by Zoo With Roy

QuoteRick Snider ‏@Snide_Remarks 3m

Couple snowballs thrown at taterskins players heading to tunnel at half. Chiefs 38-10.

QuoteWho deserves more blame, Mike Shanahan, the weasel of a coach who defames his enemies, deflects blame and now may duck out of town if he gets the firing he craves? Or Snyder, the man who picked Shanahan, his seventh coach in 14 years, while all around the NFL old hands said, "If this ends badly, those two guys really deserve each other."

Quoteudging by most of the posts on this site lately, I say you're wrong.



We ARE snorkeling fans. The only thing that hasn't happened (yet) is that some Skins fan has taken a dump on someone else's car hood. "Some" might say that they are figuratively doing that on this message board!

QuoteDonovan McNabb ‏@donovanjmcnabb 15m

RG3 not mentioned as your starter yet because you have to watch the film? Wow what's really going on in DC? Don't address article either?

QuoteIncluding 1999, we've won the division twice, had four playoff runs and won two playoff games.  This is clearly not a great track record but it isn't unmitigated failure either.  At SOME point, people got it together and arguably, Gibbs had a hand in us not being more successful when he was here with HIS QB choices but had Sean not been killed and Gibbs had the heart to continue, we may have been fine in 2008-9 or at least been to the playoffs. 

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 10, 2013, 08:28:11 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/taterskins-media-partners-get-preferential-treatment-in-covering-the-team/2013/12/06/8362e544-1a32-11e3-8685-5021e0c41964_story.html?hpid=z5

Quote from: Eagaholic on December 11, 2013, 03:19:39 PM
it's hard to decide which I'd rather see - dallas totally implode and lose out, or elimination with a crushing defeat to the Eagles on the last day.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2013, 03:23:29 PM

Quote from: Eagaholic on December 11, 2013, 03:19:39 PM
it's hard to decide which I'd rather see - dallas totally implode and lose out, or elimination with a crushing defeat to the Eagles on the last day.

heart is for the latter but head says leave the points on the board and get an unofficial bye week before the playoffs

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2013, 03:23:29 PM

Quote from: Eagaholic on December 11, 2013, 03:19:39 PM
it's hard to decide which I'd rather see - dallas totally implode and lose out, or elimination with a crushing defeat to the Eagles on the last day.

heart is for the latter but head says leave the points on the board and get an unofficial bye week before the playoffs

QuoteThe third to last time I cried after a taterskins game was in 2006.  It was after the Eagles away game.  I sat there at the Linc in the rain with my young daughter.  I tried to get ES to join me for a tailgate, but only seven members were willing to drive the two hours north. Seven.  And so I sat there in the rain in the upper deck of the Linc and watched such a miserable and lackluster performance.  That loss finished any chance of a decent season that year.



I walked back to the truck, in the rain, and was belittled and insulted without mercy all the way to my parking spot.  We drove home in the rain.

Quote"I'm used to this whole deal because, listen, I was benched for Rex Grossman," McNabb said. "And [Shanahan] came out and said [Grossman] gave the team the best chance of winning.  Well, Rex Grossman finished the season 1-2 or 1-3.  I mean, that didn't help nothing.  And so, the whole thing about it is, sometimes you have to look in the mirror and look at yourself.  Stop looking at everybody else.  I don't think that he and Kyle Shanahan can do that."

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 12, 2013, 04:22:44 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10121701/nfl-rg-iii-victim-own-swagger

Whitlock killed it

Quote"It's a tough time, and God's testing me, but I still feel blessed to be in the NFL, to be with the guys in that locker room...try to find ways to make it better."

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 12, 2013, 07:17:43 PM
"the third to last time"   :-D


re: griffin, i don't think i'd say swagger is the right word.  desean = swagger.  steve smith.  colin kaepernick. 

griffin has reminded me, to an extent, of donovan this year.  Blaming others.  Definitely passive aggressive.  He hasn't come across as a natural leader this year but that's a different criticism than saying he's got swag.

QuoteHere's the thing: Griffin has always been a diva. He was going to bring some unusual family baggage. It was well known in scouting circles at the combine before his draft, chatter about his father being a "tennis dad" and tales of Griffin's mom staying at the team hotel for bowl games and being in meetings. Regardless of how much of it is true, or just the pre-draft fiction that gets concocted every winter, it was all out there, swirling. So if you thought this kid -- already a media darling as a Heisman winner -- was going to be low-maintenance at the next level, you're beyond naive.

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 12, 2013, 07:17:43 PM
re: griffin, i don't think i'd say swagger is the right word.  desean = swagger.  steve smith.  colin kaepernick. 

griffin has reminded me, to an extent, of donovan this year.  Blaming others.  Definitely passive aggressive.  He hasn't come across as a natural leader this year but that's a different criticism than saying he's got swag.

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 12, 2013, 07:17:43 PM
griffin has reminded me, to an extent, of donovan this year.  Blaming others.  Definitely passive aggressive.  He hasn't come across as a natural leader this year but that's a different criticism than saying he's got swag.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2013, 10:30:15 PM
http://es.taterskins.com/topic/375064-i-feel-sorry-for-the-taterskins-fans/

Ummm...who is this farging clown?

Quote from: Diomedes on December 14, 2013, 11:21:19 AM
Nope. 

Nickfolean Dynamite>>>>Black Jesus

Quote from: phattymatty on December 14, 2013, 03:04:50 PM
pretty much the perfect qb for chippers offense. not even close

Quote
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet51s
On #taterskins from #NFLGameDay: Kyle Shanahan decided it is no longer worth it to work with his father. Expect him on his own path next year


Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
2m
On #taterskins, according to a player: When RGIII & Mike Shanahan pass each other in the building, they don't talk, don't say hello #awkward

QuoteAdam Schefter
Mike Shanahan will not resign from his job and would like to return to Washington next season as long as he can run team the way he wants.
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Adam Schefter
Mike Shanahan intends to sit down Dan Snyder at end of year to see if they can work out arrangement that works for both sides next season.
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Adam Schefter
taterskins will not attempt to fire Mike Shanahan for cause and withhold $7 million due for 2014. Contract is "ironclad", per legal source.

Quotetaterskins will not attempt to fire Mike Shanahan for cause and withhold $7 million due for 2014

QuoteSince hearing Mike Shanahan's press conference and his comment on other HOF QB's having a harder time than RG3 in their first few years, I decided to compare RG3's stats this year with Peyton Manning's first year. This is a valid comparison because this is technically RG3's first year as a pocket passer.

QuoteReally likable sideline performance.

Quote from: SD on December 16, 2013, 12:24:39 PM
http://es.taterskins.com/topic/374428-rg3-vs-peyton-manning/

QuoteSince hearing Mike Shanahan's press conference and his comment on other HOF QB's having a harder time than RG3 in their first few years, I decided to compare RG3's stats this year with Peyton Manning's first year. This is a valid comparison because this is technically RG3's first year as a pocket passer.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 16, 2013, 10:26:16 PM
ES has swayed towards the negative as many of the older people who live in internet board infamy for their over the top homerism have moved on...however there are still gems over there.

QuoteGriffin's father has increasingly become the kind of nuisance that some people warned NFL executives about before the 2012 draft. In recent weeks, according to two sources close to the situation, the elder Griffin has politicked Snyder to hire Baylor coach Art Briles, who coached the younger Griffin to a Heisman Trophy, to replace Shanahan.

That has come on the heels of the elder Griffin privately second-guessing Shanahan on his play-calling from the playoff game last year when his son suffered a significant knee injury, according to The Washington Post's Mike Wise. One source who has known the Griffin family for at least six years recently compared the elder Griffin to the late Earl Woods, Tiger Woods' father and a man who many believe lived in the reflective glory of his son's accomplishments.

QuoteAdam Schefter
Based on strength-of-schedule tiebreakers Rams now almost assured of no worse than a top-3 pick from Washington taterskins.

QuoteIt is unclear whether Shanahan will be fired Sunday night or Monday, according to the sources.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2013, 06:09:41 PM
Some DC radio boob is reporting that Cowher is the front runner

Quote9) The Monday Night Massacre

On the field, one of the lowest moments of the past four years came during the Monday Night Massacre, a 59-28 mauling applied by the Eagles and Michael Vick at FedEx Field. This signified so many touchstones of the Shanahan era: a helpless defense, an embarrassment at home (the taterskins were 2-6 at FedEx Field in three of Shanahan's four seasons), a disaster in primetime (the taterskins went 0-5 in primetime this season), and a bunch of records set, of the wrong sort.

The taterskins allowed 592 yards, the most Philadelphia had ever gained. They allowed 59 points, the most in Monday Night Football history. They gave up 45 points in the first half, tying a franchise record for defensive ineptitude. They gave up 280 yards in the first quarter, the most in NFL history.

"The humiliation for the taterskins' defense was nearly as thorough and complete as any in the 79-year history of the franchise," Barry Svrluga wrote then.

And making it all the more perfect: before the game, the taterskins announced a lengthy and pricey contract extension for Donovan McNabb, whose tenure in D.C. was already nearing its end. "This is what Donovan wanted: to have a long career in Washington and end his career here," his agent said before the blowout.

McNabb would go on to throw three interceptions in the humiliating loss to his former team.

Quote from: SD on December 30, 2013, 10:51:09 AM
I forgot about the Haynesworth conditioning test fiasco.

QuoteAnd this iteration of the Washington taterskins is a good football team. I know it's preseason. I know we have a lot of youngsters. But we are beating every level of every depth chart of every team we have faced thus far.



I don't care if none of the teams were jaugernaughts last season. We have had brain farts and stupid penalty after stupid penalty, and we are still beating the brakes off the teams we have played this preseason.

QuoteFSmoot21SeanT
I just spoke with Greg Williams and he is very interested in the taterskins HeadCoaching job.....I think Greg could help taterskins Nation...

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2013, 09:45:57 PM
Sean McDermott will interview for the job

QuoteWe haven't been the same team since Sean Taylor passed. His death sent this team back a decade