The search is over, time for a new thread.
Also, there's this glowing report (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/0ap1000000122162/article/philadelphia-eagles-hire-of-chip-kelly-could-be-worst-in-nfl-history?campaign=Twitter_writers_evans) from NFL.com
Jeff McLane, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
POSTED: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 5:09 PM
Howie Roseman got what he wanted.
In Chip Kelly, the Eagles general manager will have a co-pilot that will stay on his side of the cockpit.
There had been reports long before the Eagles hired the Oregon coach that Kelly wanted full authority on football matters.
Not so.
When he showed up for his interviews with the Eagles, Browns and Bills earlier this month, Kelly made it clear from the get-go that he didn't want final say on personnel matters, a source familiar with his thinking said.
Kelly can be a control freak, two sources close to the coach said. But he is selective over the things he wants to control. Kelly will want little interference over how he coaches his team. He will want to decide on the strength and conditioning program. He will obsess over details as minor as what kind of thigh pads the players wear.
As one source said, "He will turn that place upside down. But he only wants extreme control in certain areas."
Those areas, for the most part, won't collide with Roseman's interests. The young GM wants to build the roster. He wants to lead the draft. He wants to wheel and deal. Roseman did all this when Andy Reid was with the Eagles, but Reid had final say and most of the sway.
Kelly has little interest in the business operations of the NFL. He doesn't care about the salary cap, contracts or the waiver wire, one source said. Those have been and will remain part of Roseman's domain.
In many ways, a Kelly-Roseman partnership is a perfect melding, at least the one Lurie described the day he fired Reid. Many wondered whether Roseman would have final say or would have to cede some power to the new coach.
Lurie said then that the new coach would report directly to him and that Roseman and the coach would work in unison when crafting the roster. Kelly will certainly have some opinion on players – especially the ones he knows from the college game.
But he will be a novice to the NFL and to many of its practices. That's where Roseman comes in. In this marriage, the 37-year-old GM will start off the dominant one when it comes to the evaluating and acquiring players.
Someone on DNL [maybe it was D Gunn] said Georgia's D coordinator Todd Grantham is a favorite for D coordinator:
http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/grantham_todd00.html
Look test:
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/geo/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/5547254.jpeg)
Ha.
I'm excited to have a new coach. No idea if he's going to be successful or not, but I do know a ton of things are going to be different about the Eagles and it should be interesting. Pretty sure Chip wants to make a splash in the NFL, so one way or the other, it shouldn't be boring.
Sorry for not immediately pissing all over this move. The cynicism will be back in the fall (or when Howie fargs up the draft).
Grantham runs a 34 defense, correct?
if his input helps in even a tiny way in getting jarvis jones then im IN
Already drops a boo Santa reference and hopes he doesn't get boo;d
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/blogs/birds-nest/Eagles-Head-Coach-Chip-Kelly_-I-Hope-Fans-Don_t-Boo-Me_Philadelphia.html
still making references to the booing of santa clause = scared to death
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2013, 08:22:54 PM
if his input helps in even a tiny way in getting jarvis jones then im IN
Or that Norwegian dude!
Quote from: reese125 on January 16, 2013, 08:48:16 PM
still making references to the booing of santa clause = scared to death
or a guy thats lived in portsmouth new hampshire and eugene oregon for the last ten years and probably thinks they booed santa claus in 1997
this cat has no clue what hes steppin into
You're right... He probably does expect that most fans will, you know, see if he is capable of winning on this level before giving his hire a big fat "F."
Philadelphia sports fans have a reputation for being ridiculous, and much of it is deserved.
Kelly and Urban Meyer breaking down the Oregon offense. You can see why it works so well in College...you can also make your own assumptions why many aspects won't work in the pros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9fWpnxyUcU
Howie doesn't know football but he sees all these other offenses trending towards the spread and just has to get himself a coach who utilizes this approach. Forget intangibles like whether or not the guy can lead grown men and what type of motivator he is, he's been lead to believe he's an offensive genius and just has to have him.
Ashley Fox nails it. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8849067/chip-kelly-roll-dice-philadelphia-eagles)
See... Everybody wins when you deal in the real.
Cautiously optimistic is how I would describe myself. I was sold on Gus but lets see how it plays out.
Let's hope he more Harbaugh and less Spurrier/Petrino
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
Cautiously optimistic is how I would describe myself. I was sold on Gus but lets see how it plays out.
Let's hope he more Harbaugh and less Spurrier/Petrino
Like igy said, he's got Saban written all over him.
I wouldn't go that far...simply because I don't think he is of the same douchebag level as Saban. The stories that have come out about Saban's time in Miami (telling people not to talk to him, berating office staff for stocking the wrong snacks, stepping over a convulsing player, etc) suggest he's on another level.
Its a huge unknown but then again...any new hire is.
Quote from: SD on January 16, 2013, 08:38:40 PM
Already drops a boo Santa reference and hopes he doesn't get boo;d
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/blogs/birds-nest/Eagles-Head-Coach-Chip-Kelly_-I-Hope-Fans-Don_t-Boo-Me_Philadelphia.html
Meh, think he meant it as a joke. He shoulda done his research on how touchy some of you marys are on that subject.
I'm told that we're going with the name Spread Eagle Offense. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 16, 2013, 06:28:46 PM
Look test:
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/geo/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/5547254.jpeg)
Ha.
Nathan Lane is going to coach the Eagles?
Win One For The Chipper!
best thing about this is howie is know tied to chip
chip flames out howie takes the fall. chip is good they might just be the smartest guys in the room.
Yep. It's a win either way. This pick means nobody is gonna put up with 8/8 or 7/9 horseshtein for long. Maybe Lurie goes too if it really flames. Best of all either option (oof!) should take only about three years, right? Crap that's nothing compared to how long most of us have been waiting.
yeah its a tough town but so what. farg him if he can't take a joke. Betcha even sign man has already lettered-up a "goodby mr chips" banner just in case...
Quote from: General_Failure on January 17, 2013, 12:30:50 AM
I'm told that we're going with the name Spread Eagle Offense. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: JackStraw on January 17, 2013, 03:05:10 AMMaybe Lurie goes too if it really flames.
yea hopefully the owner will finally come to his sense and fire lurie as owner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nl4SKXCdps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaIGnfpdppc
I just went online and ordered matching visors for myself and the Mrs.... We are IN!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
Let's hope he more Harbaugh and less Spurrier/Petrino
you mean more jimmy johnson and less every guy who has ever tried this.....hardbaugh had nfl experience
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2013, 12:08:38 AM
I wouldn't go that far...simply because I don't think he is of the same douchebag level as Saban. The stories that have come out about Saban's time in Miami (telling people not to talk to him, berating office staff for stocking the wrong snacks, stepping over a convulsing player, etc) suggest he's on another level.
Its a huge unknown but then again
i dont think the concern is that kelly is a fleshpop in the same way saban was i think the concern is that his heart is not all in this and a weak heart plus jumping into something completely overwhelming plus knowing you can go back and get any cushy cfb job anytime you want has to concern any fan that this could crash and burn in a short period of time
and as i mentioned this isnt an unknown....its only worked one time ever which makes it pretty damn well known whats gonna happen
we all prey this works out and the eagles bucked the decades long trend but the odds are against them
until it happens tho CHIP CHIP HOORAY!
the way he answered the question last night when the reporter asked him if it was a dream job to work in the nfl/eagles was concerning for me. he was about to say no but quickly backed it up with a i just want to win.
it was a timid im testing the waters answer. hope he shows some passion at the pc
I let it sink in and slept on it...still seems like a zesty decision. On top of that, the Eagles are being run by guys named Howie and Chip. Sounds like a 50's cartoon.
The Eagles are great at bucking trends. Unfortunately, they always pick the wrong trend to buck.
Quote from: reese125 on January 17, 2013, 08:24:38 AM
the way he answered the question last night when the reporter asked him if it was a dream job to work in the nfl/eagles was concerning for me. he was about to say no but quickly backed it up with a i just want to win.
it was a timid im testing the waters answer. hope he shows some passion at the pc
If he weren't timid and had no trepidation about leaving a gig at which he was dominant for one at which he is unproven in a city full of angry iceholes, I'd question his sanity.
Then he's in the wrong profession.
I dont want the coach to look scared or he's having buyers remorse. You better have the skin and balls not to show it--esp to this fan base that can spot a pusie out in a second and bring you down.
oh for christ's sake, now he's scared. you farging people are retarded
you dont need to hear him say anything to know that he isnt all IN on this
he turned the job down two weeks ago....of course he isnt sure
this goes to my great fear...that if hes not sure now about all this whats gonna happen when he really starts getting into the job and all that comes with it
it also scares me that this team isnt exactly chock full of great leaders and men....they didnt respect andy who they supposedly loved and who had coached in the league for 14 years...chip kelly is going to be like the substitute teacher who turns to write on the chalkboard and the kids make fake fart noises
I like hockey more than I like Chip Kelly.
damn yo
Of course he is scared. He flip flopped on his decision for weeks, went back to Oregon and started recruiting to the homes of kids, two days later he says wait a minute I think I can do this nfl thing.
He's coming in half hearted
reese125 - internet psychiatrist
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2013, 08:37:02 AM
oh for christ's sake, now he's scared. you farging people are retarded
This guy is the winner.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 17, 2013, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2013, 08:37:02 AM
oh for christ's sake, now he's scared. you farging people are retarded
This guy is the winner.
I almost wonder if they knew Chip wanted the job. And Chip more or less was told by Phil Knight to stick around till the 14's, to ensure the program doesnt lose players to the draft.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 17, 2013, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2013, 08:37:02 AM
oh for christ's sake, now he's scared. you farging people are retarded
This guy is the winner.
Didn't you guys want to punch each other in the face last week? Weird the things that bring us together.
i didn't stop wanting to punch him, and in fact his agreement makes me scared. but you guys have reese on your side, so i'd say it's a push
Lol
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2013, 09:18:36 AM
i didn't stop wanting to punch him, and in fact his agreement makes me scared. but you guys have reese on your side, so i'd say it's a push
he doesnt agree with you he just is always pro eagles...he has no feeling on chip kelly whatsoever hes just butthurt people are criticizing his team
reese actually deduces and comes up with his honest opinion....unfortunately its always wrong
so id say you guys win
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 09:42:21 AM
reese actually deduces and comes up with his honest opinion....unfortunately its always wrong
This made me laugh.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2013, 09:18:36 AM
i didn't stop wanting to punch him, and in fact his agreement makes me scared. but you guys have reese on your side, so i'd say it's a push
he doesnt agree with you he just is always pro eagles...he has no feeling on chip kelly whatsoever hes just butthurt people are criticizing his team
reese actually deduces and comes up with his honest opinion....unfortunately its always wrong
so id say you guys win
I try to be pro-Eagles by default, yes. Guilty as charged in that I would rather assume an unproven commodity might turn out well instead of poorly. Ain't that some shtein?
There are plenty of things, past and present, about the Eagles for which I have very negative feelings... but since people like you that generally are little bitchy shteins all the time represent those things quite comprehensively on this board, I find more value in spending my time as "devil's advocate" and rooting for the team to, you know, be successful and do well - maybe even in spite of themselves.
I know... That is REALLY weird.
P.S. I would gladly take a solid punch to the side of the face or the middle of the gut from SunMo, as it would be a highly cathartic experience for both of us.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 17, 2013, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2013, 09:18:36 AM
i didn't stop wanting to punch him, and in fact his agreement makes me scared. but you guys have reese on your side, so i'd say it's a push
he doesnt agree with you he just is always pro eagles...he has no feeling on chip kelly whatsoever hes just butthurt people are criticizing his team
reese actually deduces and comes up with his honest opinion....unfortunately its always wrong
so id say you guys win
I try to be pro-Eagles by default, yes. Guilty as charged in that I would rather assume an unproven commodity might turn out well instead of poorly. Ain't that some shtein?
There are plenty of things, past and present, about the Eagles for which I have very negative feelings... but since people like you that generally are little bitchy shteins all the time represent those things quite comprehensively on this board, I find more value in spending my time as "devil's advocate" and rooting for the team to, you know, be successful and do well - maybe even in spite of themselves.
I know... That is REALLY weird.
none of that is the least bit weird...i was just pointing out that most of your opinions are a product of how you feel not what you think
That's actually not true. I generally do pretty well at aligning my feelings and my thoughts.
So, is the presser actually 1:30pm today?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2013, 09:18:36 AM
i didn't stop wanting to punch him, and in fact his agreement makes me scared. but you guys have reese on your side, so i'd say it's a push
he doesnt agree with you he just is always pro eagles...he has no feeling on chip kelly whatsoever hes just butthurt people are criticizing his team
reese actually deduces and comes up with his honest opinion....unfortunately its always wrong
so id say you guys win
it's been eating you up for years that I'm right so god damn much I don't expect it to stop now.
okkingcole
hugs around the corner
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 17, 2013, 10:26:40 AM
So, is the presser actually 1:30pm today?
unless they changed it which they often do
easy?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2013, 09:18:36 AM
i didn't stop wanting to punch him, and in fact his agreement makes me scared. but you guys have reese on your side, so i'd say it's a push
he doesnt agree with you he just is always pro eagles...he has no feeling on chip kelly whatsoever hes just butthurt people are criticizing his team
reese actually deduces and comes up with his honest opinion....unfortunately its always wrong
so id say you guys win
But if reese's opinion coincides with yours, how can he be wrong?
Not considering any other factors, such as the failure rate of college coaches making the jump to the big league, Kelly's ability to prove he can coach at this level is going to be detrimentally hampered by Roseman.
Regardless, chip chip hooray is an excellent cheer.
now they are saying its one o clock
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 11:26:16 AM
now they are saying its one o clock
Tip o' the visor to you, sir.
negative....the pre presser show starts at 1 on wip and csn.....actual presser still 130
(http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/images/654*368/coach-kelly-billboard.gif)
a full breakdown of Chip's offense (http://smartfootball.com/offense/studying-the-raw-materials-of-chip-kellys-offense)
This should kill a half hour until the PC
I really hope he hires an offensive coordinator named Dale.
dave spadaro likes the hire!
guys this really might work
i think it would be awesome if chip says hes gonna find a place in the city to live....dook is unmarried and kidless....no reason not to
Quote from: MDS on January 17, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
dave spadaro likes the hire!
guys this really might work
This isn't your best work, and your best work isn't that great either.
holy shtein gross plumbers butt
Oh good, I thought we'd reached the end of corny, nervous coach jokes.
merrill reese "cbs radio"
pathetic
all in son
"I've never taken a snap, never played a down." Great, more loser nerd accountants running the team.
'im a private guy who hates the over information age that currently exists'
he should fit right in in the world of philly sports
maybe he was just nervous but i have less faith in him after that garbage
If he can't speak into a microphone without nuzzling it, how can he ever win a superbowl?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 02:07:01 PM
maybe he was just nervous but i have less faith in him after that garbage
Previous IGY grade: F
New IGY grade: F-
G
So you're grading him with bra sizes to see how big of a bust he'll be?
Quote from: General_Failure on January 17, 2013, 02:14:37 PM
So you're grading him with bra sizes to see how big of a bust he'll be?
Good one.
when he was asked about defense and whether hed switch to a 3-4 philosophy he said the defense we play will be dictated by the roster they have
i wish someone had followed up on that because to me when you are first taking over a "program" as he calls the eagles you should go in with your philosophies and then go get the players you need to implement them
And then he would have answered with more "nothing's set in stone, evaluate players" non-answers.
I like the idea that he might be a guy who will adjust and be innovative on offense...complete 180 from the guy that just left town.
If throwing deep on third and short isn't innovative, then I don't know what is.
cant wait for the first time chip goes for two in the second quarter or goes for it on 3rd and 4 from his own 32 on the first posession of the game
Quote from: General_Failure on January 17, 2013, 01:58:01 PM
"I've never taken a snap, never played a down."
Awesome, finally someone who can relate to Nnamdi.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 02:18:57 PM
when he was asked about defense and whether hed switch to a 3-4 philosophy he said the defense we play will be dictated by the roster they have
i wish someone had followed up on that because to me when you are first taking over a "program" as he calls the eagles you should go in with your philosophies and then go get the players you need to implement them
Can't turn over the entire defense due to the contracts. Maybe play a hybrid and slowly build towards a 3-4. You would think after years of getting players at different positions and trying to shoe-horn them into our system, this should be a refreshing change. Let's see who he brings in as a defensive coordinator.
definitely....but the question was asked in terms of the kind of defensive coordinator he would hire and an overall philosophy....and his answer was putting the cart before the horse...im not killing him for it and maybe it was the nervousness but i still would have followed up
Quote from: phillycrew on January 17, 2013, 02:54:09 PM
Can't turn over the entire defense due to the contracts. Maybe play a hybrid and slowly build towards a 3-4. You would think after years of getting players at different positions and trying to shoe-horn them into our system, this should be a refreshing change.
Absolutely! How true.
Speaking of DC's did Rob Ryan get hired by someone else? I heard Baldy say Ryan was still out there.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 02:58:19 PM
definitely....but the question was asked in terms of the kind of defensive coordinator he would hire and an overall philosophy....and his answer was putting the cart before the horse...im not killing him for it and maybe it was the nervousness but i still would have followed up
Let me know when you do, in fact, "kill" someone for something, then.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 17, 2013, 03:09:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 02:58:19 PM
definitely....but the question was asked in terms of the kind of defensive coordinator he would hire and an overall philosophy....and his answer was putting the cart before the horse...im not killing him for it and maybe it was the nervousness but i still would have followed up
Let me know when you do, in fact, "kill" someone for something, then.
if i questioned his choice of favorite kind of tastykake you would consider it a blitzkreig on him as a human being....so i can only imagine the horror you are feeling as i question his thoughts on a defensive philosophy
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 02:49:07 PM
cant wait for the first time chip goes for two in the second quarter or goes for it on 3rd and 4 from his own 32 on the first posession of the game
He damn well better go for it on 3rd and 4, regardless of the field position!1
IN on chip because havas is OUT
that dude has the worst judgement ever. chips ahoy, set sail to lombardi land.
howie is on wip now. he may be the biggest nerd ever
he'll be on 97.5 at 3:50
cmon igs, how could you hate him after that PC when he brings up Wing Bowl, Bednarik, Reggie and Papale
and Lurie saying "ora-GAHN" was irritating. Pronounce it "OR-gun" like the rest of us morons
you serious easy
that was pandering 101. i dont blame him for it but hes about as phillly as ff. over time he could get there sure, but right now hes just a dude.
He also brought up CB East, CB West and Strath Haven to DGunn. This guy is Philly hardcore
Again, two dudes with practically no NFL experience are in charge of your team. AND they're named Howie and Chip. Nothing says tough blue-collar town like two pasty dudes named Howie and Chip.
he said he used to recruit down here for New Hampshire
yea I saw the PC. I'm just bustin Todd's balls
Quote from: MDS on January 17, 2013, 03:47:04 PM
you serious easy
no
not only was it pandering the delivery and timing of the jokes was painfully uncomfortable....just coach chippy
Take this fwiw considering the source (Eskin) but aside from interviewing Grantham for the DC they're also interviewing Alabamas DC Kirby Smart.
That would be an interesting hire - he's a good DC. Granted he gets his pick of the litter because of Bama's factory but still.
Jeffrey (don't call him Jeff)
Howie
Chip
Kirby
I liked GF's suggestion for an OC named Dale. Anyone named Ralph that can take over? Friedgen? Is he still alive?
I waver slightly when I read stuff like this:
Quote
We want to get off the ball and be a physical, downhill-running football team... We teach our linemen a block we call a 'bust block'. The idea is to bust their sternum up against their spines on every running play. We want to come off the ball, create a double-team, knock the crap out of the defender, and deposit him in the linebacker's lap.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2013, 06:35:02 PM
That would be an interesting hire - he's a good DC. Granted he gets his pick of the litter because of Bama's factory but still.
saban runs the defense at bama
QuoteRob Ryan on being hired by Rams: "I'm on a beach and have talked to nobody and have no comment."
Get?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2013, 06:35:02 PM
That would be an interesting hire - he's a good DC. Granted he gets his pick of the litter because of Bama's factory but still.
Jeffrey (don't call him Jeff)
Howie
Chip
Kirby
I liked GF's suggestion for an OC named Dale. Anyone named Ralph that can take over? Friedgen? Is he still alive?
Let's be fair now, I don't want an OC named Dale because it would make them extra WASPy. I want it so we can make Chip & Dale Spread Eagle jokes to go with the Dixon and Cox jokes.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 17, 2013, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2013, 06:35:02 PM
That would be an interesting hire - he's a good DC. Granted he gets his pick of the litter because of Bama's factory but still.
Jeffrey (don't call him Jeff)
Howie
Chip
Kirby
I liked GF's suggestion for an OC named Dale. Anyone named Ralph that can take over? Friedgen? Is he still alive?
Let's be fair now, I don't want an OC named Dale because it would make them extra WASPy. I want it so we can make Chip & Dale Spread Eagle jokes to go with the Dixon and Cox jokes.
Yes - I know this. I am not one of the denser folks 'round here
Quote from: Don Ho on January 17, 2013, 07:09:54 PM
QuoteRob Ryan on being hired by Rams: "I'm on a beach and have talked to nobody and have no comment."
Get?
I would love it. He would hate the Cowboys more than anyone.
apparently jerry azzinaro oregons DL coach will be joining chippys staff
btw he looks like someone that would rip you in half with his bare hands because he felt like it
after a little investigating now i know why
hes a brown belt in combat judo and was a golden gloves champ
also coached dwight freeny in college
seems like a washburn type minus the wide nine garbage
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
apparently jerry azzinaro oregons DL coach will be joining chippys staff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zqTdeGKfMBw
probably will be laughed at doing that to pro's but will be entertaining nonetheless....which definitely counts for something
Got to be the first time a HC mentions Smokey and the Bandit in his first PC
Chip is not married but maybe dating Loni Anderson.....Manti Te'o says
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 03:52:16 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 17, 2013, 03:47:04 PM
you serious easy
no
not only was it pandering the delivery and timing of the jokes was painfully uncomfortable....just coach chippy
Sounds like Chip needs to do a better job and put his jokes in position to be funny.
Quote from: SD on January 17, 2013, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
apparently jerry azzinaro oregons DL coach will be joining chippys staff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zqTdeGKfMBw
love him...he can scream like that forever
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/424551_10151380961474049_654579578_n.jpg)
I'd take a run at Ray Horton since it sounds like Arians wants Bowles for his DC
"More violence!"
That video is awesome. That dude should have been hired as HC.
He looks homeless.
Give him a cup of soup and let him coach.
I was in Tallahassee the last couple days at a conference so I didn't get a chance to read much about this, but I watched the news conference and I was hugely impressed by Kelly. I know it's the "cool" thing to be blase' or cynical or whatever, but this guy has me excited about being an Eagles fan again.
So farg all you whining bitches to hell.
PS: Just kidding... hugs & kisses!
Watching the PC now...finally.
Lurie in his opening...he thanks Howie and Don as experienced and savvy football people...lol
Wow, a live PBP of a press conference that happened nearly 10 hours ago... Let me go get some popping corn ready on the stove!
get some sarsaparilla too, pappy.
I liked what he had to say in the PC. I was luke-warm yesterday and feel even better today. I am excited to see a new philosophy and new approach.
Despite being a fan of Reid his approach was stale and at times maddening. While watching and listening to Kelly's answers I wondered how it would be like to see a completely different sideline presence and direction and I can't wait.
QuoteJenBeyrle
Source close to UO FB program tells me that Jerry Azzinaro, Greg Austin, Matthew Harper and Todd Lyght are going to Philly with Chip Kelly.
Azz looks like a nutcase ("FEET FEET FEET FEET FEET FEET") and Lyght was a Rams DB in the 90s and the 5th overall pick in 1991
Quote from: SD on January 17, 2013, 08:50:08 PM
(Chip and Dawk hanging out)
Dawk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T51ts_rShLY)
well at least he figured out that everyone loves dawk
im not saying it was terrible...it was nervous....cliched...and full of bad jokes...but not awful
however can someone explain to me what he said and/or the way he said anything in the press conference that would make you feel better about the hire...i can see it not making you feel worse about chippy....but what did he do that was so good?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2013, 09:47:13 PM
He looks homeless.
Give him a cup of soup and let him coach.
Lol....my first thought was that he looks like a typical Pacific Northwesterner, which is basically the same thing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2013, 07:23:14 AM
im not saying it was terrible...it was nervous....cliched...and full of bad jokes...but not awful
however can someone explain to me what he said and/or the way he said anything in the press conference that would make you feel better about the hire...i can see it not making you feel worse about chippy....but what did he do that was so good?
Why bother? There's simply no changing your mind. You hate the choice so just embrace it.
PS: Seeing that yesterday didn't change my mind on Gus Bradley either. I think the Eagles made the wrong choice, but then again, it's not like they made a "bad" choice; just not the one I was hoping for. As always, I'm hopeful they'll win the Super Bowl or four. Sue me.
its not about changing anyones mind...im honestly asking what he said that was so groundbreaking or fantastic....cause almost everyone is saying how great it was or that they now feel better
especially if you feel better now...what did you expect him to say versus what he did say that makes you ok with the hire or feel much more positive about it
hiring makes more sense now.....chippy is a huge long time patriot red sox celtic bruin fan
A guy from New Hampshire is a New England sports fan?
If he's not genetically predisposed to be an Eagles fan, he's a zesty coach. It's science.
Quote from: Rome on January 18, 2013, 08:26:54 AM
A guy from New Hampshire is a New England sports fan?
no
a guy from new hampshire was hired by a guy from boston
should be awesome having the owner and the coach of the eagles hate philly sports
Because that's true.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2013, 07:23:14 AM
can someone explain to me what he said and/or the way he said anything in the press conference that would make you feel better about the hire...i can see it not making you feel worse about chippy....but what did he do that was so good?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2013, 07:54:42 AM
im honestly asking what he said that was so groundbreaking or fantastic....cause almost everyone is saying how great it was or that they now feel better
especially if you feel better now...what did you expect him to say versus what he did say that makes you ok with the hire or feel much more positive about it
For the most part his PC was generic, saying he'll evaluate everyone, he isn't committed to any particular system, he hasn't decided on coaches yet, etc., but a couple of things that stood out for people that were hesitant about the hire:
-- Most Philly fans were told that he was a fleshpop when it came to the media (and he probably will be after the first loss and everyone turns on him), and after 14 years of "uhhh gotta do a better job uhhh" and "uhhh we're fine there uhhh", it was refreshing to see some humor, emotion and honesty for once
-- Like you, a lot of people felt he wasn't 100% committed to this because he left Arizona without a deal and will eventually pull a Petrino/Saban type of exit at some point. Of course he isn't going to admit to stuff like that at his first day on the job and his introductory PC, and who knows, maybe he'll still do it, but at least he explained why he took so long to "change his mind" when he never actually changed it
-- Most thought he had no interest in defense or special teams and was going to neglect it, but he explained that he's involved with everything in the "program" and hates micromanaging, just like the rest of us. If he picks Grantham or Smart as the new DC, you'll be on board cause no matter what we're getting an SEC 3-4 that has produced multiple 1st-round picks
-- Most assumed that he was bringing the zone read and was gonna force Foles to run it or find someone else that could, but he explained that his offense will be designed around the players and their abilities, a change from Andy's square-peg-round-hole stuff like making Vick stay in the pocket and run an outdated WCO
i appreciate the perspective but some of those make no sense to me - for example no matter who they hired they were gonna be better than andy in a presser situation
and some are downright stupid - i dont want him involved in the defense and if hes going to run whatever offense that his players allow him to run then why was he hired to bring his oregon offense to the pros...he some sort of genius i thought....they could have hired anyone to come in and run an nfl offense around nick foles...i dont agree with the hire but now that they have him i want him to go out and get players to run HIS offense (of course a tweaked version of it that will hopefully work in the nfl)....christ thats why howie was enthralled with him in the first place
ground breaking or fantastic would be him coming flat out saying during my tenure this team will be back to the playoffs and reach the Super Bowl and I won't sleep at night until that happens or my ultimate goal is to get these players and the fans believing they are champions again. really any kind of hardcore confidence would have done it...esp him because he's never been in the nfl. why not say it if you truly believe it....what do you have to lose? hell at least let the fans believe it. it doesn't happen you lose your job anyway.
unfortunately his wc salesman skills are a little flat and we just have to go on his just hired standard football cliche answers. it's a shame we need to be sold, but at this point after what we as fans just went through the past couple years and beyond it needed to be done.
I think he'll still do that. Did you expect he'd sit in the presser and go through the roster and say who fits and who doesn't?
Much like Andy with picking lineman and "high motor" guys, Chip will go after guys he wants for his system. Whether that works remains to be seen, but I don't think he's going to change what he does overwhelming based on what he has in terms of personnel. If they don't fit, they'll get gone.
Also, I've been thinking, Desean is likely gone pretty soon. Kelly offenses generally run big, downfield blocking WRs.
Disagree. He'll create plays to get him the ball then it'll be all about the YAC. Blocking is a big part of the offense but his top 3 WRs at Oregon this past season were 5'11" 205, 5'9" 180 and 5'10" 190, not a bunch of Riley Coopers
Still, I wouldn't call Desean a "willing" blocker - Maclin to some extent as well. I can see Avant decleating folks though.
Not sure if you watched a lot of the Oregon O - but the misdirection bubble screens with pimp should be worth a few long TD runs.
everything about oregon is small and quick....use options and mis directions to get really good athletes in open space and hit on big plays for 60 minutes...something pimp would thrive in
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
everything about oregon is small and quick....
Geez. The ladies who live in Oregon must hate it there.
Nah, they're all lesbians. They import straight women from Washington for breeding purposes.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 18, 2013, 12:32:02 PM
Still, I wouldn't call Desean a "willing" blocker - Maclin to some extent as well. I can see Avant decleating folks though.
Not sure if you watched a lot of the Oregon O - but the misdirection bubble screens with pimp should be worth a few long TD runs.
Same with Maclin as that was his bread and butter at Mizzou
I'm really thinking they wind up with Alex Smith or a draft pick being the opening day starter. Vick is obviously gone, but what happens with Foles?
foles gotta be there in the mix no matter what....if a draft pick is involved then hes competing with foles and a vet...
if an alex smith or another perceived starter is acquired then foles is his back up
Well, if they get a guy like Smith, who has wheels, they're going to be running some form of the read option. If Smith/whoever goes out, no chance Foles can come in and run it so I don't know how they can use him as a backup. It's going to be interesting to see. If the keep Foles, I don't think they run the read option.
according to chip theres no guarantee they run a read option offense...and as many times as he stressed the importance of keeping a qb healthy i kinda believe him
but even if they do its not difficult to change from a read option to another offense....the read option is not even an entire offfense...its a package that you add on to the base offense...if foles were forced to come in you would just drop the read option from your playbook and run your base...which im assuming will be a spread...pass routes dont change...gaps dont change...really read option is just a fancy version of play action except with the threat of the qb running
when rg3 went down the skins did exactly this...drop the read option section of their playbook and had cousins run their base one back offense
imo foles future with the eagles depends on if the eagles think he has a future and i would imagine its to early to know that yet...plus youd think they would want kelly to have a good look at him before getting rid of a 3rd round pick this soon
Agreed. Cannot imagine Foles won't get a shot at the job in 2013.
I'm cool with that. Was thinking about this the other day and I think (at best) he winds up being Joe Flacco. Seems to be of a similar mold, although I think Flacco has the stronger arm.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 18, 2013, 12:51:02 PM
Nah, they're all lesbians. They import straight women from Washington for breeding purposes.
Have you been to Washington recently? Don't get me wrong, we have plenty of dykes here in the Portland-Metro area but Washington is Carpet Muncher country.
Looks like Chip is bringing James Harris to be the assistant GM (http://www2.registerguard.com/cms/index.php/duck-football/comments/uo-chief-of-staff-james-harris-will-join-chip-kelly-with-the-eagles/)
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 18, 2013, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 18, 2013, 12:51:02 PM
Nah, they're all lesbians. They import straight women from Washington for breeding purposes.
Have you been to Washington recently? Don't get me wrong, we have plenty of dykes here in the Portland-Metro area but Washington is Carpet Muncher country.
Right. Because all the straight women are in Oregon having babies.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
according to chip theres no guarantee they run a read option offense...and as many times as he stressed the importance of keeping a qb healthy i kinda believe him
but even if they do its not difficult to change from a read option to another offense....the read option is not even an entire offfense...its a package that you add on to the base offense...if foles were forced to come in you would just drop the read option from your playbook and run your base...which im assuming will be a spread...pass routes dont change...gaps dont change...really read option is just a fancy version of play action except with the threat of the qb running
when rg3 went down the skins did exactly this...drop the read option section of their playbook and had cousins run their base one back offense
imo foles future with the eagles depends on if the eagles think he has a future and i would imagine its to early to know that yet...plus youd think they would want kelly to have a good look at him before getting rid of a 3rd round pick this soon
I'm not sure why fans/national media/local media can't grasp this ^^^^. NE runs a similar offense with Brady. You ditch the read option portion and play to your QBs strengths. Quick reads and wrs finding space and making plays. The Eagles have 3 WRs [Jackson/Maclin/Johnson] who should thrive under Kelly. The bigger question for me is the potential switch to a 3-4. You have Kendricks who will be fine and nothing else. Ryans was pretty average aside from a couple of games and Houston ditched him when they went to the 3-4. Then you have Cox who's not a NT, do you draft Lotulelei if he falls and trade Cox? Pretty sure Jones and Joeckel are off the board by pick #4.
I haven't looked at the list of free agent NTs yet, but if they don't get Star, they can go after Kwame Geathers with a mid-round pick. He was Grantham's backup NT behind John Jenkins. 6'5" 355 nephew of Jumpy and brother of Robert. Cox and Jenkins are the DEs (unless they dump the latter) then Cole and Graham are the OLBs (with Curry and Hunt as the backups)
Jarvis Jones as a rush OLB.
DO IT
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 18, 2013, 08:03:28 PM
Jarvis Jones as a rush OLB.
DO IT
He's not dropping to 4 and either is Joeckel.
Quote from: SD on January 18, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
according to chip theres no guarantee they run a read option offense...and as many times as he stressed the importance of keeping a qb healthy i kinda believe him
but even if they do its not difficult to change from a read option to another offense....the read option is not even an entire offfense...its a package that you add on to the base offense...if foles were forced to come in you would just drop the read option from your playbook and run your base...which im assuming will be a spread...pass routes dont change...gaps dont change...really read option is just a fancy version of play action except with the threat of the qb running
when rg3 went down the skins did exactly this...drop the read option section of their playbook and had cousins run their base one back offense
imo foles future with the eagles depends on if the eagles think he has a future and i would imagine its to early to know that yet...plus youd think they would want kelly to have a good look at him before getting rid of a 3rd round pick this soon
I'm not sure why fans/national media/local media can't grasp this ^^^^.
cause they are fargin morons?
Quote from: SD on January 18, 2013, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 18, 2013, 08:03:28 PM
Jarvis Jones as a rush OLB.
DO IT
He's not dropping to 4 and either is Joeckel.
people are going to get scared off by jones' neck issue and i think he'll be there at 4.
if they switch to 3-4, getting a good NT may be more important than getting an outside rusher
It's still really early but I see it going like this as of now:
Chiefs- Joeckel
Raiders/Jags - Loutelei/Jones
A lot of people like Millner at 4, I could live with that pick but I'd rather address other areas first.
milliner is not a top ten talent...more like teens or low 20's but cb's always go above where they should...if jones isnt there and you have a good offer for the pick i trade back if im the eagles
yeah, i think the same thing.
i think domo pretty much nails it
QuoteChip Kelly hasn't coached a minute in the NFL, which would've concerned me greatly if I owned the Eagles.
I agree with Jeff Lurie when he says Kelly has a brilliant football mind. But the college-to-pro jump is a huge one. Huge enough that I would've stayed away from Kelly and put my money down on one of the pro guys - Gus Bradley or Ken Whisenhunt or Bruce Arians or Lovie Smith.
Publicly, Eagles players are saying all of the right things about Kelly right now. But what most of them really are thinking is, "What the hell does this guy know about coaching in the NFL?"
The recent track record of college coaches jumping to the NFL is lousy. Nick Saban was hired by the Dolphins in 2005 after winning a national championship at LSU, went 9-7, then 6-10, then scurried back to college, where he's won two more national titles at Alabama. And unlike Kelly, Saban had spent 6 years as an NFL assistant, including 4 as a defensive coordinator for Bill Belichick in Cleveland.
Bobby Petrino left Louisville to take the Falcons' head-coaching job in '07, got sick to his stomach after 13 games, only three of which his team won, and ran off to a place where they wear pigs on their heads and everybody's related to one another. And Petrino, like Saban, had NFL experience on his resumé, spending 3 years as an assistant with Jacksonville, including one as offensive coordinator.
The last college coach to get an NFL head-coaching job with no experience in the league was Mike Riley, who was hired by the Chargers in '99 and fired 3 years and only 14 wins later.
"It's going to be incumbent upon Chip and [general manager] Howie [Roseman] to bring in the type of players that fit best what he wants to do," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said.
"In the meantime, he and his staff have to establish credibility early with the players that he has. And I think he can. I don't know him. But from looking at the tape, I think he does a great job of taking what he has and working with it.
"If a player thinks you can make him a better player, that's what it's all about. That's the buy-in. And I think he'll be able to do that."
While Kelly wouldn't have been my choice, I give Lurie credit for being ballsy enough to make a move like this.
It's even more ballsy than the move he made 14 years ago when he passed on then-Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and hired a relatively unknown quarterbacks coach named Andy Reid.
"The game has changed so much," Lurie said. "The NFL borrows more from college now than college borrows from the NFL. Leadership is leadership. If you're a great leader of 18- to 21-year-olds, you have a good chance of being a great leader of 21- to 32-year-olds.
"The sample size [of college coaches jumping to the NFL] isn't big enough to really reach any conclusions. You could take the sample size of coordinators who haven't been a head coach anywhere and probably reach the same conclusion.
"Everybody is a leap of faith. With Chip [you know you're] getting an outstanding leader and thinker."
There no doubt are a lot of people out there who think this is just another case of the Eagles believing they are smarter than everybody else. I don't think that's it, though. Lurie will be the first to acknowledge that his gamble on Kelly could fail.
"I had a lot of confidence in Andy [when I hired him], but you didn't know until you proceeded," the Eagles owner said. "I would've told you that with all of the top candidates, some of whom had never been a head coach at any level, you'd worry about that.
"Somebody who's never coached in the NFL, you might worry about that. Somebody who's failed at another place as a head coach, you might worry about that.
"There's no obvious choice. You're making a risk-reward choice. You just hope you're making the best choice. And if you didn't make the best choice, then you're going to [eventually have to] find another head coach and you're going to get another chance to make a great decision."
"Bobby Petrino left Louisville to take the Falcons' head-coaching job in '07, got sick to his stomach after 13 games, only three of which his team won, and ran off to a place where they wear pigs on their heads and everybody's related to one another."
that's awesome
Howie Roseman: Chip Kelly's a 'Trend-Setter'
Posted by Sheil Kapadia on January 19, 2013 at 11:00 am | 0 Comments
As the Eagles' brass introduced their new head coach Thursday afternoon, they wanted to make one thing clear: Chip Kelly was not being hired for his offensive scheme.
Since Kelly's name first started to get linked to NFL head-coaching jobs, many have debated whether his spread-option attack would work at this level. But really, that is the wrong question.
It's true that the Patriots chatted with Kelly about implementing a one-word no-huddle attack to push tempo. And it's also true that quarterbacks like Robert Griffin III, Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson have had success running the option. But in the NFL, teams will adjust. Especially when they have a full offseason to look at the film and craft a plan.
Perhaps that's why Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman and company emphasized that they believe Kelly's greatest strength will be his ability to figure out what's coming next.
"He's got an incredible way of thinking about things," Roseman said. "When we looked at this and studied people who were great – and we had a great head coach – there were people who were out front on the edge of things, and then people are starting to copy. What we learned very quickly, Chip was a trend-setter. The things people were doing, they were following him. He wasn't a disciple of anyone. People weren't going, 'Oh, Chip Kelly, he's an offshoot of this person or that person.' He was on the edge of it. And sometimes to find greatness, you've got to find the person who's on top of that, and that's what we're trying to find."
Of course, Kelly wasn't the only candidate the Eagles targeted. Lurie and Roseman raved about Gus Bradley, who eventually took the Jacksonville Jaguars job. They also had great things to say about Penn State's Bill O'Brien.
It had been 14 years since Lurie interviewed head-coaching candidates. This was an opportunity for him to pick the brains of some of the league's top candidates.
"There are so many intriguing philosophies out there, in terms of how to operate an NFL team, that we just learned a tremendous amount, that we will share with Chip as well," Lurie said. "There is a lot of innovative thought out there. I would have to say probably the most innovative thought on all these fronts was with Chip."
Kelly might turn out to be the wrong choice, but it's tough to find fault with how Lurie went about the process. He interviewed a variety of candidates – some from college, some current coordinators, some former NFL head coaches. He was looking for someone who had leadership and vision. And he eventually landed the guy who was at the top of his list.
He was also thinking long-term. Lurie's first coach, Ray Rhodes, lasted four years. His second coach, Andy Reid, lasted 14. Lurie was patient with Reid, although certainly, a lot of that had to do with Reid's success. With Kelly, Lurie's not going to demand a quick turnaround. Kelly signed a five-year deal, and there's no doubt he's going to implement changes across the board.
Lurie seems committed to giving him time to get everything in place.
"I really think you've got to have somebody very sharp and who sees ahead of the curve, not just what's happening right now," Lurie said. "And doesn't say, 'Because that team is doing something well, we're going to copy that team.' That's not what we were looking for. We were looking for somebody who is looking out 24 months, 36 months and saying, 'How do we want to be?' That's much more what we're looking for."
Quote from: SunMo on January 19, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
"Bobby Petrino left Louisville to take the Falcons' head-coaching job in '07, got sick to his stomach after 13 games, only three of which his team won, and ran off to a place where they wear pigs on their heads and everybody's related to one another."
that's awesome
Agreed, and I don't even know where he's talking about. Wherever it is, farg those people.
Arkansas
Thanks. I don't follow college football. What's the pigs reference about? The only football fans I know dress up as pigs are the hogettes in Landover, and I recently read that they were all retiring.
Because the school is the Razorbacks...and they, grown adults, walk around screaming SOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEYYYY
Petrino's introductory PC at Arkansas was embarrassing
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2013, 10:29:17 AM
i think domo pretty much nails it
Quote
The last college coach to get an NFL head-coaching job with no experience in the league was Mike Riley, who was hired by the Chargers in '99 and fired 3 years and only 14 wins later.
And one of those wins came against our beloved Eagles.
But hey, the Eagles hired Vermiel out of college and he did pretty ok. So all Chip needs to is find a bartender/substitute teacher to play special teams and the Eagles are pretty much invincible, right?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 19, 2013, 11:36:13 AM
Because the school is the Razorbacks...and they, grown adults, walk around screaming SOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEYYYY
Petrino's introductory PC at Arkansas was embarrassing
You mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7x3x6QHlrA
Ah yes, the good ole Arkansas mating call.
Yep that's the one.
lol how awful
The Eagles are definitely swinging for the fences with the hire. Of course it would have been safer to pick Arians or Whisenhunt but I doubt Eagles fans are looking for a 10-win ceiling kind of guy.
I'm fine with it. If he totally flames out in 2-3 years (like most head coaches do whether they were a college coach or an NFL coordinator), who gives a shtein. In fact that would be better than if he's here for 5 years with a mediocre to good team. At least they tried to hit the home run.
why does chip kelly have such a high ceiling....i just dont get it....to me grabbing a guy who has never coached in the nfl is the opposite of swinging for the fences...swinging for the fences would have been convincing cowher to come out of the studio and coach again....or even taking a chance on gruden winning another superbowl....chip kelly is rolling the dice not swinging for the fences
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2013, 09:54:06 AM
milliner is not a top ten talent...more like teens or low 20's but cb's always go above where they should...if jones isnt there and you have a good offer for the pick i trade back if im the eagles
Agreed and his stock has gone up since he plays for Bama and this is a zesty draft for CBs. They have a need at CB, so people are speculating.
http://www.giants.com/team/coaches/jim-herrmann/a612552b-a39a-45af-a2ee-cde0a12b0657
That dude is interviewing for the DC job
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
why does chip kelly have such a high ceiling....i just dont get it....to me grabbing a guy who has never coached in the nfl is the opposite of swinging for the fences...swinging for the fences would have been convincing cowher to come out of the studio and coach again....or even taking a chance on gruden winning another superbowl....chip kelly is rolling the dice not swinging for the fences
Because people [not me] think he's some sort of football genius who has some magical innovative system that is ahead of the spread offense trend taking over the NFL. The WCO flamed out...or maybe it's more accurate to say teams tailored around that philosophy. Howie sees the trend happening and sees the guru available and just has to have him. So I'd agree they're swinging for the fences in some aspects. Most fans think he'll either be a homerun or a strike out, I see him more as an 8-8 guy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
why does chip kelly have such a high ceiling....i just dont get it....to me grabbing a guy who has never coached in the nfl is the opposite of swinging for the fences...swinging for the fences would have been convincing cowher to come out of the studio and coach again....or even taking a chance on gruden winning another superbowl....chip kelly is rolling the dice not swinging for the fences
So the history of only one pure college coach ever winning the Super Bowl (Jimmy Johnson) matters, but the history of zero coaches ever winning it with two different teams doesn't? How are the guys you listed a sure bet in any way? They are a sure bet in the same way that Joe Gibbs coming back was a sure bet. It's trying to recreate something from the past instead of looking toward the future. The Eagles could be spectacularly wrong about Kelly, and I have zero idea whether he will be successful or not, but you can see they are trying to leapfrog other teams by hiring the master of the new trend.
You're rolling the dice with anyone you hire. The guys who aren't a risk are already coaching somewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpBZGl2zulQ
$1000 to Eagles YP charity if he ever says that to Angelo Cataldi
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 19, 2013, 01:30:48 PM
You're rolling the dice with anyone you hire. The guys who aren't a risk are already coaching somewhere.
obviously nothing is a guarantee...all im saying is that hiring chip kelly is not swinging for the fences...its taking a huge risk
Risk vs Reward
Kelly vs Gruden, Cowher, Bradley, Lovie, Billick, Wisenhunt, etc.
Highest risk = Kelly
Highest reward = push
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3553/screenshot20130119at213.png)
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2013/01/so-big-balls-chip-it-is.html
lol
Quote from: General_Failure on January 19, 2013, 01:30:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpBZGl2zulQ
ahem...page two of this thread says hi
No one remembers back that far.
Schefter says Chip's contract is 5/$32.5M ($6.5M/yr)
Meh, I've seen better.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 20, 2013, 02:13:13 PM
Schefter says Chip's contract is 5/$32.5M ($6.5M/yr)
why do you think he changed his mind about the nfl
because he wanted to work with howie roseman and dom smolinski
Quote from: MDS on January 20, 2013, 02:20:54 PM
because he wanted to work with howie roseman and dom smolinski
doesnt everyone....why do you think their coaching staff is being filled out with respected long time nfl coaching genius'
That's a lot lower than I thought he'd get...some speculated he'd get $8 million per
Peter King:
QuoteFor the last three seasons, Dungy has been a long-distance commuter from Tampa to Oregon, while son Eric played as a reserve wideout (after redshirting in 2010) for Chip Kelly's Oregon Ducks. Dungy has seen practice, and he's been to many games. I asked him what kind of NFL coach Kelly would be, a topic of some difference of opinion because Kelly has never coached in the NFL.
"He'll be good,'' Dungy said. "One of the things everybody's getting wrong is that he has to coach one way. Not true. He'll adjust. I think he'll be able to win in a lot of ways. I think the offense he'll run will be very similar to what Buffalo ran with Jim Kelly, the K-gun. High-pace, fast tempo. His thing is tempo, and making a defense respond to what he's doing. Say it's 3rd-and-5, and you have all these tendencies from watching his offense -- what they'll do on 3rd-and-5. But your pre-snap stuff is out the window because their tempo isn't going to give you time to substitute or to think that much. The thing with Chip is it's not just the scheme or the plays he's running. His detail work is strong. He outhustles, outpaces, out-thinks people. His practices are so fast. His team gets used to doing everything at a faster pace.''
I asked Dungy how that would work in the NFL, with speed-practices and constant no-huddling. Wouldn't veteran players chafe at run-run-running?
"Ask Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith,'' he said. "That became their identity, and they loved it. With players, if you can prove you're helping them win, they're all for it.''
Talk about Kelly reminds me of the talk when Jimmy Johnson -- who also never had coached in the NFL -- took the Dallas job in 1989. The league frowned upon his mode of defense, small players playing fast, and said big offenses would sledgehammer his Cowboys. Well, in Dallas' first six years after the Johnson hire, the Cowboys won three Super Bowls. Not saying Kelly will have anywhere near that success. But I like teams hiring wunderkinds. It's fun for the game. And I think Kelly's smart enough to figure out how to win with different styles of quarterbacks and players.
I can't let the Kelly hire pass without a word of reservation.
Let me say it is a slight reservation. Very slight. Had I been an owner or GM seeking a coach this offseason, Kelly would have been my No. 1 choice, by far. He's the most imaginative offensive coach out there right now, and you see the way the game has changed this season. Four teams -- Carolina, Washington, Seattle, San Francisco -- running the quarterback and moving the pocket consistently, with three of the four (excluding Cam Newton) making the playoffs. The read-option. So much spread stuff. No-huddling everywhere, including the Patriots and Ravens, who just played in the AFC Championship Game. So an imaginative offensive guy who's been a resource person for Belichick and won from the jump as a college head coach ... easy call.
But Kelly had the Tampa Bay job last year, and backed out as final terms of the contract were being worked out, ostensibly because he couldn't be assured that his hand-picked replacement would succeed him at Oregon. This year, when Kelly talked to Cleveland, Buffalo and Philadelphia, every team sensed some ambivalence; he loved the Oregon job and life so much he wasn't sure he wanted to leave. Which is totally understandable. Great campus, great place, great school, great team. The Eagles felt him waffle -- on Monday, he was in Los Angeles, recruiting an offensive tackle prospect for Oregon -- and were certain he'd be their coach only after he told his team Wednesday.
I don't know if it's true he'd only have coached in Eugene or Philadelphia. Maybe he was turned off by Cleveland. But when the Browns felt him waffle, president Joe Banner told me, "We removed ourselves from the process. We really liked Chip. He's intriguing, a very different thinker, and very smart. But you could see he was uncertain what he wanted to do. He may be in Philadelphia 10 years or longer and have a terrific career. But the fact he committed to Tampa Bay last year, backed out, then seemed all year to be leaning toward going to the NFL, then being so uncertain with us, we just felt it was too big a gamble. If there was no ambivalence, we may have offered him the job.''
I'm not saying Kelly will be Bobby Petrino or Nick Saban. But I am saying no one knows how a man who has been with dominant teams in Oregon is going to a team that needs to be fixed in one of the toughest towns in the United States. I'm just saying it's going to be a challenge Chip Kelly's never faced. Not even close.
Joe demands your instant love, affection and obedience.
In that case, Howie > Joe.
http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/01/29/what-weve-learned-about-chip-kelly/
This is an interesting article about Kelly and his philosophies.
He may be a colossal flop in the NFL, but I think there is some real substance to his coaching, not just offensive spread option flash.
QuoteWhile he has core beliefs, Kelly has stressed that every aspect of coaching a football team is personnel-driven.
At the very least, it will be nice change of pace to see the coach adjust schemes to fit the personnel instead of pounding square pegs into round holes.
I really think Reid was on the verge of making that work.
pretty cool.....chipper be at wing bowl
pandering chip
wing bowl contains one of the grossest cross sections of humanity and is run by an illiterate uneducated untalented new york wop.
So he's got a future in the GOP?
crowd went bonkers and sung the eagle fight song when he came out....sounded incredible....hopefully some good video pops up
People trashed Reid for being a standoffish dick and are now doing the same to Chip for being outgoing and friendly to the locals.
Too funny.
are people killing him on the emb or something?
because lil guy is literally the only person that hasnt praised him today that ive heard
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2013/02/video-chip-kelly-showed-up-at-wing-bowl.html#more
im not killing him...just a total pandering move. if they go 10-6 next year hes not showing up. in fact if they go 3-13 he isnt either (if hes still even here then).
plus wing bowl is an embarrassment to the city and to humanity as a whole. if he showed up at the barnes foundation or at some schools field trip to the franklin institute hed get a vote from me
damn, he doesn't have a vote from Todd. guess it's time to fold the franchise.
DAMN!
you mean he didnt buy his own wing bowl tickets and have plans to go before he got the eagles job?
its a quick, easy photo op/tv hit to buy some favor with the public. does nothing for me.
remember when andy went around shaking everyones hands in line waiting for playoff tickets? seemed like a cool dude. 12 years later he wouldnt be seen in public with anyone.
I won't be satisfied until Chip spends a decade attending Wing Bowls, even if he has to drive over right from his son's funeral.
Chip Kelly: "I wanted to get a feel for what Philadelphia was like"
:-D :-D :-D
Fat, gross, ugly, sweaty, neanderthals. And that's just the women.
Ha!
I don't give a rat's ass where he goes one way or another. Win football games and championships.
But he's got to be salty like Buddy and wear his heart on his sleeve like Vermeil and...
He has to cry when he sends players on the field specifically to hurt Cowboys? I'm not sure that'll work.
Win a Super Bowl, and the fans will love him. Nothing more, nothing less.
Buddy never won shtein and homers like havmds luv him like he's the baby Jesus.
:-D
Quote from: Rome on February 01, 2013, 07:56:38 PM
Buddy never won shtein and homers like havmds luv him like he's the baby Jesus.
i was too young for buddy, pops
in fact i make fun of him more than anyone and it riles the big guy up.
doesnt rile me up...he will always be my hero...he could have won zero regular season games and hed stil be my favorite person ever for his shtein talking of dallas/bounty bowl....his wave of terror against braman and not giving a flying farg about the scab team...plus he had quotables for decades
oh and that defense....oooooooooh that defense.....holy FAP FAP
never be another like him
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Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 01, 2013, 07:38:26 PM
Win a Super Bowl, and the fans will love him. Nothing more, nothing less.
not true...thats not philly
he certainly wouldnt be disliked if andy for example had won a superbowl there would still be a large segment of the fanbase who wouldnt warm to him....philly wants someone they can root for...not simply just a winner...we love a big personality and no matter what andy did he would have never been more popular than buddy
I want a winner. A Super Bowl winner. I don't give a farg if the guy is a deaf mute who gets me a parade.
to each her own
Are you honestly suggesting you'd prefer someone like Buddy who didn't win a farging thing in Philly over an actual Super Bowl winning drone?
Seek help if so.
no....id rather have a coach i love win a superbowl
i wont love a coach just because he wins....charlie being the perfect example
If Rush Limbaugh coached the Eagles to a Superbowl victory...I'd embrace him. I could give two shteins about likeability.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2013, 08:58:10 AM
he could have won zero regular season games and hed stil be my favorite person ever for his shtein talking of dallas/bounty bowl
This is the first thing you mention yet you love that era of Dallas Cowboys football.
Yep - pretty much, SD.
The concept of loving a coach is beyond weird to me, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Quote from: SD on February 02, 2013, 09:43:13 AM
If Rush Limbaugh coached the Eagles to a Superbowl victory...I'd embrace him. I could give two shteins about likeability.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2013, 08:58:10 AM
he could have won zero regular season games and hed stil be my favorite person ever for his shtein talking of dallas/bounty bowl
This is the first thing you mention yet you love that era of Dallas Cowboys football.
buddy was gone before dallas won anything...and i didnt love his shtein talking because it was dallas....he could have directed the majority of his anger towards the giants and i would have loved it (even more)....dallas is just another team to me...the important part was how much buddy had the pulse of the city and he knew that dallas was public enemy number one...he did what he knew would fire start the city...the team was irrelevant
Quote from: SD on February 02, 2013, 09:43:13 AM
If Rush Limbaugh coached the Eagles to a Superbowl victory...I'd embrace him. I could give two shteins about likeability.
not only would not embrace rush limbaugh id would not attend another game until he was fired...and even then i might never go again until they had another owner other than the one who hired rush
You're not a true fan then
Rush would bring back the kelly green jerseys.
He's also bring a bull whip with him to training camp.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 02, 2013, 01:22:56 PM
Rush would bring back the kelly green jerseys.
He'd push Lurie to get rid of the turbines
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 02, 2013, 01:37:53 PM
He's also bring a bull whip with him to training camp.
I'm sitting at a restaurant eating breakfast laughing at this. People are staring. So bad, so good.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 02, 2013, 01:37:53 PM
He's also bring a bull whip with him to training camp.
Tass Massa?
hed also not let negros on the team
but as long as they win the superbowl who cares!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2013, 06:37:49 PM
but as long as they win the superbowl who cares!
He could change the eagle head to a Swazitka and have concentration camps for all I care
Turbine powered ovens? That's not going to work at all.
Quote from: SD on February 02, 2013, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2013, 06:37:49 PM
but as long as they win the superbowl who cares!
He could change the eagle head to a Swazitka and have concentration camps for all I care
color me shocked
im pretty sure if rush tore down the turbines and fired all the women sd would be a fan for life
i think if the turbines stayed as is and the go green program amped up but rush was coach hed be all IN
Quote from: General_Failure on February 02, 2013, 08:13:40 PM
Turbine powered ovens? That's not going to work at all.
Holy shtein. Been out all week with the farging norovirus. I needed a good laugh.
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Pretty sure that's the only jacket Chuck has anymore.
Chip needs to knock off the overt marketing shtein. We get it, you're the Eagles coach now.
double post
I kinda like that he's immersing himself within the city
I don't mind either. Bottom line is wins and losses but bumping elbows with BDawk and Concrete Charlie is a great way to market yourself to fans and shows appreciation for the franchises history.
Andy Reid was a miserable & obnoxiously arrogant douchebag who HATED Philly and Eagles fans in the end.
I don't care if it's PR bullshtein or not. So far Kelly is proving himself to be about as different from Reid as a person can be, but sure, let's bitch about him embracing the city and the fans.
He hasn't coached a game yet, he hasn't earned the right to pay Chuck $50 for a photo!
TIL that Chuck Bednarik looks like Billy Graham.
Today I learned what TIL stands for. Thanks internet people.
bednarik on his most pleasent day is a thousand times more of an ahole than andy reid ever was
and chipper looks like a complete and utter fool
He looks like the horrible drunken love child of Buddy Ryan and Jimmy Johnson, who dressed himself in the dark of Cedric the Entertainer's closet.
he looks like someone one thousand feet over his head
all of this is not going to end well
Jesus christ you are so negative. I guess that's the part we fell in love with. But still, jesus christ.
other than blind faith gimme a reason to be positive
i havent heard a legit one yet....but im def willing to listen
Kelly Green motha farga, Kelly Green.
Everything else is just butter on top.
its a photo of chip kelly and chuck bednarik
jesus christ you are a bunch of women
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 03, 2013, 03:15:50 AMother than blind faith gimme a reason to be positive
he's not Andy farging Reid you drama queen
A picture of Bednarik and Kelly has caused way more discussion than it should.
In over his head?
Jesus
Offseason nonsense because there's nothing to talk about? Well I never!
Seriously, if there was a way to ignore people based on time stamps I'd be all over that.
hes in over his head because hes in over his head....not because of the picture but look at him in the picture and thats all you see
he looks like a little kid in a 50 year olds body
Versus Andy Reid who is a 12 year old trapped in a 50 year old's body because, literally, at 12 he was this same size.
2 months into a job that he hasnt had the smallest chance to do anything for and hes already the worst coach ever
northeast philly whats up
Quote from: MDS on March 03, 2013, 11:56:16 PM
2 months into a job that he hasnt won a superbowl
wip caller whats up
I don't like his tie. He should be fired.
And if it's true, I'm proud to say I'm the first one calling for Lurie to shtein can his ass.
Look at Johnny Come Lately over here.
if chip is smart enough to throw this year so he can get the second coming johnny football then he is the next bilichick
this team is wretched anyway so why not throw up a 2-14 and ride the kerrville wave to 5 super bowls?
Chip at the owners meetings talking about the size of the FA signings (and apparently the end of the "fastballs" of the last few seasons): "Bigger people beat up little people"
He also hinted that pimp may go back to returning punts again :yay
If the Roseman/Kelly regime eliminates the "fastball" players from the roster, it's already a major win for the franchise.
ill be happy if kelly can coach at all in the nfl and if roseman is smart enough to give gamble a real voice at the PP decision making table....specific kinds of players can come later....
i dont like how chipper is constantly chirping about the kinds of players he likes....motherfarger you were at new hampshire like five minutes ago...you concentrate on coaching with the big boys and dont worry about what players you get....you havent earned that yet and your system is 1000% unproven...just coach up who you are given
transcript of his press meeting at the coaches' breakfast (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Full-Chip-Kelly-transcript-from-NFL-Annual-Meetings.html)
Because of the April 1 date in the CBA, he couldn't really answer any questions about how players look, what he plans to do with them, etc., but here's some stuff that stood out:
QuoteOn expectation for how long players will learn his pace: "Depends on what type of learners they are. We'll figure that out when we get there. I think just in the conversations, we have a team of smart guys. They'll pick it up quickly."
On how he teaches it: "You teach the fastest learner, and everyone else has to catch up. Those guys don't have time to teach the other guys. Everybody's moving. That's the coach's job."
QuoteOn the first thing he looks for in a QB: "I don't think there's a first thing, because there's a million things, so there's not one thing that trumps the other things. The ability to grasp the offense, number one, number two, how do they process it when they're on the field. Can you take it from drill to practice? There's a lot of guys that are great in drills, but when you get them in, they're OK in 7-on-7, and more people get to 11-on-11 and they're not as good as they look in drills. So how do they transfer that knowledge from a drill to practice, when you start to get in more team situations. You're evaluating them as a football player. You're evaluating, really, mostly when we're doing 11-on-11 stuff, because that's how the game's played."
On whether he takes away a quarterback running in practice: "No, they got to grasp it all, and figure out what they're good at, and then we formulate a game plan based on what we feel they can do and can't do."
QuoteOn when he started going for it on 4th down/2-pt conversions: "I think there's fallacy and reality. I don't think very often we went for it on 4th down on our side of the field. It would be once or twice a season, depending on the situation. All those decisions are based upon the individual. What's gone on exactly in that game, not an overarching, 'hey, we're going to do this.'"
On whether he does it more than others: "No. Look at the statistics. We're not the No. 1 team in 4th down attempts in the NCAA."
On whether he needs to be more conservative in the NFL: "No, I think those decisions are based upon your team. So a lot of those decisions for me, I had total faith in our defense, so I wasn't averse to putting our defense on the field in situations. I think a lot of that has to do with you making decisions. It's a risk/reward. What's the reward? Obviously you get a first down. What's the risk? You're turning the ball over at that point in time on the field. So are you comfortable enough with your defense to put your defense on the field in that situation?"
On whether he wants to shoot down perceptions of him: "I'm not into perceptions."
On the perception that he's different: "I don't know what you want my answer [to be]."
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On being statistically-oriented on 4th down decisions: "Yeah but I'm statistically-oriented on first down, second down and third down also. That's where I think the misconception is. You can look it up – I think we went for it on 4th down 20 times in 14 games, whatever the number is. A lot of our decisions came in the kicking game. If you don't have a guy that can kick a long field goal what are you going to do when the ball is on the 37 yard line. Will you kick a 52-yarder or are you going to punt it? If it goes in the end zone you have a net of 17 yards. Or do you go for it because you have a good defense and you're not averse to putting them on the field on the 37 yard line. Those weren't statistical decisions."
On going for a two-point conversation in the Fiesta Bowl: "But we don't go for two. We line up in an extra-point formation and if they don't cover somebody we take the two points. It's a different concept I think. If you remember that play we scored, they had nine guys on the field for the extra point because they were caught off guard that we could score that quickly so they couldn't get their entire defense on the field. It wasn't we're gambling and went for two, they didn't have enough guys on the field. We have a system in place where if you don't line up correctly we're going to steal two points. The reality and the perception are two different things."
On using science: "No math, but science. Those are resources that are available to everybody. We're trying to put our guys in a position to be successful so why not rely on what the experts say is the right thing to do or wrong thing to do."
QuoteOn whether he'll miss the Oregon uniforms: "Yeah, I think one thing about the uniforms is the science behind them. They are lighter, they're faster, they wisk away sweat better. That part was always very intriguing to me."
QuoteOn Trent Cole: "Just a tenacious player. His passion for playing the game. How physical he is."
On why Cole's production declined: "I didn't go through and evaluate scheme. I'm just looking at guys' skill sets, what they can do and what they can't do, not trying to 'why did this happen?' or 'why did they do this or do that,' or 'why didn't they win this game?' I just wasn't watching tape that way. I was trying to get, how many times have we watched Trent get up the field? Can he redirect? What's his ankle flexibility. How does he chase a quarterback from behind? I'm not looking at him and saying, 'what's the answer for lack of production?' I don't even know what the defensive calls are, so when I'm watching the film I'm not looking at what he was asked to do. Just kind of evaluate him, just like every position, from a skillset standpoint. What skills can he do? Does he still have the ability to get after the football? Does he still have the ability to use his hands and strike with force? Can he separate from blocks and get off of blocks? He can still do all those things."
QuoteOn whether it's true he wasn't a fan of walkthroughs on the day before a game: "We practiced the day before the game."
On whether he can do that in the NFL: "Practice? Yeah. I mean we're not – and this is another perception – we're not in full pads the day before a game, smashing each other in the head. But we're going to run around a little bit. That's another misconception about what we do or don't do. We're in shorts and t-shirts the day before a game, or sweats depending on the weather. We're not in full pads. So when people ask do you practice the day before the game, it depends on what your definition of practice is."
Yeah, I'm nitpicking but lol @ this:
QuoteI don't think there's a first thing, because there's a million things, so there's not one thing that trumps the other things. The ability to grasp the offense, number one, number two, how do they process it when they're on the field.
the jersey thing is hilarious as well
dook is so small time
definitely better suited for eugene than genos
the last place anyone should want to be is that republican ignorant cesspool genos
I used to like Genos. It wasn't the best, but they used to be pretty good. It was fun taking my kids to a Phils game and then heading over for a steak afterwards. When we moved back to PA last year, I took my girl down there and it was one of the most pathetic steaks I've ever seen. There was practically no meat in this thing. We tried Pat's too and it was basically the same thing. All bread, no meat. Never going back.
Quote from: MDS on March 21, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
the last place anyone should want to be is that republican ignorant cesspool genos
i literally meant genos itself...not a metaphor for big city philly
genos is the place with people who have fresh of the boat italian grandparents but yell at mexicans who cant speak perfect english
that place can burn
Italians and Mexicans are so alike. They love soccer and the flags are nearly identical.
Except Italians live with their parents until they're like 40. Mexicans live with their parents, grandparents, siblings, cousins, nieces and nephews until forever.
This is true.
Italians, Mexicans, whatever.
I'm just happy to finally have a coach not named Andy Reid.
here here
Kelly has never held a practice in the NFL yet from the beautiful minds here at :CF already know he can't succeed.
prove us wrong is all i ask....i will gladly eat crow.....fact is zero evidence has yet to show he has any chance to succeed
you homers are the ones making the tough call here by thinking he will win...if he ends up being the man you are in turn the man....trust me im rooting for you big guy
There's zero evidence either way, Forrest.
Settle your twitchy hyperbolic ass down already. Christ.
not sure if you are being serious or not but theres actually quite a bit of evidence that a college coach with zero nfl experience will fail in the nfl
Reductio ad absurdum.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2013, 06:51:40 PM
not sure if you are being serious or not but theres actually quite a bit of evidence that a college coach with zero nfl experience will fail in the nfl
Is Jimmy Johnson the last coach to leap from college to the NFL head coaching ranks (with no prior NFL coaching exp) and be successful? I guess you could say Switzer, but everyone knows it was Jimmy's team and Switzer quickly washed out of the NFL after that. Seriously though....are there any coaches in the last 20 years besides those 2 who did anything substantial in the NFL without prior NFL exp?
johnson is the only one ever...not just the last one.....that i know of
if chip kelly is the head coach of the taterskins chiefs or browns then to 95% of eagle fans hes just another college guy who is gonna be a bust....but when hes your coach the glass is anywhere btwn half full and overflowing....its a natural sports attitude to see your team and coach as different
What about moderately successful? Maybe someone who had a few winning seasons and a playoff appearance or two?
Pete Carrol comes to mind.
Chip reminds me of Spurrier. He gets a two year pass from me but after that there better be a playoff appearance or farg him.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 21, 2013, 08:23:36 PM
What about moderately successful? Maybe someone who had a few winning seasons and a playoff appearance or two?
yeah thats what im saying....i dont know of any even remotely successful ones....to be fair there isnt a huge sample to pull from...a few dozen maybe....theres a couple that i can think of like haarbaugh and bobby ross who were in the nfl for a cup of coffee and ha success....but no nfl experience whatsoever i think jj is it....altho ill admit im going on memory....there could be a few from the 80's 70's maybe that im not aware of
be interesting to see a list
Quote from: SD on March 21, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Pete Carrol comes to mind.
Chip reminds me of Spurrier. He gets a two year pass from me but after that there better be a playoff appearance or farg him.
carroll coached in the nfl before seattle....we are talking about guys with no nfl experience at all before hitting there league....theres def been coaches to go from college to the nfl and have success but they coached in the nfl in some capacity prior to their nfl success
chip does remind me of spurrier a lot....just the deer in headlights sound and look of how they talk about football and how it just doesnt seem to mesh at all with the nfl
i mean i cant get over chip thinking the oregon jerseys were special like supermans cape or some shtein and made them play better
There really aren't a lot of first time NFL head coaches with absolutely zero NFL experience, good or bad. It's not like there have been 100 guys and Johnson is the only successful one.
Besides, most first time NFL head coaches with NFL experience are terrible too. There really wouldn't have been a great reason to feel any better about the other candidates.
So the history of college coaches doesn't bother me so much. I think the bigger concern with Chip comes when NFL defenses find a way to clamp down on the read option. Does he have any other bright ideas? Is he a football mind or a read option mind? Lurie and Howie are ultimately guessing about that.
Team's gonna suck this year anyway because the players are terrible. Unless he's just ridiculous one way or the other it's gonna be a couple years before we know what we have. If the guy is gonna suck we'll have plenty of time to bitch about him later. Right now I'm kind of excited not knowing what's gonna happen with this team. Not ready to piss all over him already.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 21, 2013, 09:25:05 PM
There really aren't a lot of first time NFL head coaches with absolutely zero NFL experience, good or bad. It's not like there have been 100 guys and Johnson is the only successful one.
except you have to factor in the guys who dont get hired and ask why?....theres a good reason you dont go from college to the pro with zero experience....same reason great high school coaches dont go straight to college....or any other field in any other profession where you arent ready...you can make an argument that the sample is as disconcerting as the ones who have tried and filed....either way i dont see how you can dismiss it....its very real
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2013, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 21, 2013, 08:23:36 PM
What about moderately successful? Maybe someone who had a few winning seasons and a playoff appearance or two?
yeah thats what im saying....i dont know of any even remotely successful ones....to be fair there isnt a huge sample to pull from...a few dozen maybe....theres a couple that i can think of like haarbaugh and bobby ross who were in the nfl for a cup of coffee and ha success....but no nfl experience whatsoever i think jj is it....altho ill admit im going on memory....there could be a few from the 80's 70's maybe that im not aware of
Vermeil is the only other one that comes to mind. He had pretty limited NFL exp, bouncing back and forth between the LA Rams and UCLA for a few years before he came to Philly.
And yeah, Carroll had a bunch of NFL exp before now. He was the HC in NE after Parcells and I think he was a DC and position coach for a few teams prior to that.
And HC for the Jets.
Chip rearranged the locker room (http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/03/28/kelly-makes-changes-to-eagles-locker-room/)
QuoteInstead of having the space organized by positional groups, Chip Kelly has decided to mix things up. A quarterback might find himself next to a safety, a wide receiver alongside a linebacker, and so on.
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[Kelce:] "If you look around the room right now, most of it is veterans next to young guys. So if you look around the room, that looks like what he was trying to do. Last year, I think the team lacked a lot of leadership. So instead of putting guys in positions together, or positions are young and they don't really have a leader yet, all of a sudden, everybody's around older guys who have been doing it for a long time. I'm thinking that's more of the idea that he was looking for."
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The feeling among players seems to be that the locker room switch is just the beginning. Asked to describe what's different under the new regime, tight end Brent Celek said, "Lots of changes. Where do you want to start?"
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[Herremans:] "I like all the ideas they've thrown at us. It sounds like everything that he does has a reason, and that reason is leading to winning and becoming a better team. I don't think it'll be hard for everybody to buy in."
now we know why chipper decided to jet for the nfl in the end
QuoteDocuments released by the University of Oregon show the school and the NCAA agree "major" violations were committed by the football program, both The Oregonian and Portland, Ore., television station KATU reported Monday.
The documents focus heavily on Will Lyles, who ran a recruiting and scouting service and has been widely reported to be at the center of the investigation, according to the reports. Most of the alleged violations cited occurred during the tenure of former Ducks coach Chip Kelly, who left Oregon in January to become the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Both The Oregonian and KATU received the documents after filing a public records request.
"There were underlying major violations coupled with failure to monitor violations involving the head coach (2009 through 2011) and the athletics department (2008-2011)," NCAA enforcement staff wrote in the report, according to KATU.
However, the documents also state NCAA enforcement staff said they had "no finding of lack of institutional control and no finding of unethical conduct," key points when it comes time for punishment to be considered, KATU reported. Oregon is expected to appear before the NCAA's committee on infractions sometime this year.
The university gave a statement to The Oregonian on Monday night following the documents' release that read: "The review is ongoing until the NCAA Committee on Infractions issues its final report. The integrity of the process and our continued full cooperation with the NCAA prohibits us from publicly discussing the specifics of this matter."
I was just coming to post that. He pulled a Carroll.
i think the one key difference is that carroll definitely wanted to get to the nfl again...whereas chipper is still in eugene if shtein didnt go bad
Well obviously.
Only helps reaffirm my immediate dislike of him and the hire.
yup...throw him in jail for violating the sacred honor of the ncaa rules
maybe give him the chair in fact. how dare he not worship the gold standard of "amateur" athletics?
lol @ thinking Chip bolted to the NFL just because of that. Oregon is hardly getting the hammer. You're looking at probation and maybe 1-2 scholarships wiped out a year which is basically nothing.
Ha. So true.
The NCAA can suck it.
Can we all keep focus on the fact that Chip Kelly IS NOT Andy Reid, and this season, regardless of the outcome, is already a win?
How can anyone here accept him when IGY hates him?!?
i dont hate him at all
You don't hate him, but his name isn't Buddy Ryan either.
(Guys, did I say that right?)
that would be james to you
:-D
His life as a coach at Oregon was about to become marginally more difficult so he chose the most appealing alternative. IGY is spot on here. He had already given Howie a 'no' and then magically changed his mind? That was fishy as shtein and now that this shtein is out it makes perfect sense.
No one said anything even remotely defending the NCAA rules you farging hysterics.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2013, 02:13:31 PM
i dont hate him at all
I do. But I hate nearly everyone associated with this franchise right now. Besides, I've been fairly vocal on my opinion of him from the get go. I remember hearing shortly after he got hired that the NCAA was investigating Oregon, so I already knew he was bolting before the NCAA could smack him. The severity of his infractions make no difference to me. He's shady, a douche and a flake.
theres a reason he didnt go pro last year when every one came calling just like there was a reason he didnt wanna go pro this year when everyone came callin...its simple arithmetic
the guy is a college coach...he left for one reason
he will do his 2-3 years in the nfl...fail miserably.....then go coach georgia or miami and win a natty
At that point, Reid would have won 2 superbowls.
Can we all not lose focus on the fact that, regardless of who is at the helm, this team is cursed forever and we're a bunch of miserable fargs?
So he didn't farg any little kids? Great, I'm still glad he's not Andy Reid. Bring on a 3-13 season, I don't mind right now.
Chuggie nailed it.
Willie Lyles' name has been connected in unscrupulous ways to the Oregon program for awhile now. There were rumors of violations dating back to the recruitment of LaMichael James and a supposed cash payment. I hear his name a lot down here because he's from this shteinhole city.
And anyways - we all know that cash money is king in big college ball.
Meh to him jumping ship. He could take a dump in the middle of Broad St for all I care so long as he wins.
So these last seven posts mange to depressingly yet succinctly sum the torpid last years of reid and igys very likely forecasted outcome of next 3 years years while hibionic reminds us nicely of mostly the misery since 1961. We'll at least there's the draft. They do that pretty well, right?
They get their picks on time, yes.
so apparently after practice today chipper had out on a big table in the locker room individual smoothies for each player...each smoothie was made according to the dietary needs of the player and had their name and position written on the cup for them
Pickle juice was overrated anyway.
Could he just take them to McDonald's like every other coach?
Interview w/ Barkann earlier today
Part 1 (http://www.csnphilly.com/video_content_type/barkann-1-1-chip-kelly-part-1)
Part 2 (http://www.csnphilly.com/video_content_type/barkann-1-1-chip-kelly-part-2)
Quick 6 (http://www.csnphilly.com/video_content_type/quick-6-chip-kelly)
angelo asked chipper about the mobile qb thing and he said that notion is somewhat overblown and that he would much rather have a great decision maker than a great runner
Good thing he's got Vick.
at no point ever did it make sense bringing vick back but after what has transpired in the last few days i cant see him making the team
the other thing chip almost always mentions when talking about quarterbacks is ball security
vick cant read defenses....is a turnover tsunami...cant stay healthy and chip no longer requires mobility in his qb (if he ever did)
other than hiring the bed wetter as QB coach i cant think of anyone i would want having less to do with the tutoring process of young barkley than michael vick
As far as ball security goes, Barkley had less fumbles in his 4-year USC career than Vick did in his half-season last year.
oh so michael vick sucks? good to know
You must be a really sad individual
Quote from: Dillen on April 30, 2013, 09:34:12 AM
As far as ball security goes, Barkley had less fumbles in his 4-year USC career than Vick did in his half-season last year.
That is nuts.
McLane:
QuoteWe may have the bare minimum in media access, but Chip Kelly will allow reporters to sit and watch practices for the first time in 14 years.
QuoteAndy Reid had a strict rule that anyone watching practice must stand only. No sitting, leaning or kneeling. He could spot you 50 yards away.
We got to experience that retarded rule of Fatso's at training camp.
I deliberately dropped something on the ground and kneeled for a second before standing back up.
I showed them.
< Flex >
I remember that. It was because in the beginning some woman dropped a water bottle and someone busted their ass on it. So that led to standing only with no bottles or anything with you.
Andy had that rule as a safety issue for the fans standing on the sideline. paco got run over by Westbrook one practice and he was on his feet.
Did he really? I missed that.
My best memories were FF asking Heckert about Ashley Lelie
Eaglez listening to Dawkins take a leak in the port-o-potty
Being two feet away from Jon Runyan kicking the shtein out of Juqua Parker (including a punch to the nuts and him grabbing the back of his head and kneeing him WWF style)
I still laugh about FF's shenanigans. And about Ed throwing four picks to me in the pickup game afterward. And us getting shteinfaced at lunch and you being the designated driver who got lost coming back from the strip joint.
Seriously, that was a great frigging day.
Haha oh shtein I forgot about that. Yeah that was awesome.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2013, 07:40:15 PM
I remember that. It was because in the beginning some woman dropped a water bottle and someone busted their ass on it. So that led to standing only with no bottles or anything with you.
yea, Hugh wiped out. Thirst didn't bother me, but being walked from one square to the next like a concentration camp was a little much
Yeah and now those jackasses decided to rob the fans of Lehigh. I'm shocked that didn't cause more of a ruckus.
They eliminated the fans' open participation in training camp and raised ticket prices in the same year, both after firing their walrus of a head coach and the human sphincter known as Joe Banner and finishing with their worst record in two decades.
It's almost like they double dog dare you to say 'farg you' and walk away for good.
Get me Lurie's email address.
I like this new Phreak...and all it took was $22k? I wonder if we pitch in and get him another $100 bucks or so, if he'll turn into the HULK or something.
Haha...I'd love to send Lurie or Smolenski an email about them farging the fans over. They'd probably not read it but I'd have satisfaction dammit!
I don't know how many of you are following OTA's or have seen the local coverage but Kelly is playing music during practice. They interviewed a few guys (Peters, Avant) who said this was something they did in college. Kelly played Rock/hip hop/rap at yesterdays practice. There was no down time during drills, everyone participated in every drill. 5 QBs took snaps at the same time to maximize practice reps.
They interviewed Peters and he said the injury is fine and "just watch me when I get on the field". I might be in the minority but I think he's going to be absolutely fine. I don't expect him to be the best O-lineman in the game like he was prior to the injury but I still think he'll play at an All Pro level.
the playlist.....
1. Unstoppable - TobyMac featuring Blanca from Group 1 Crew
2. On Fire - Young Dro
3. Ready 2 Go - Martin Solveig featuring Kele
4. Thunderstruck - Ac/DC
5. Panama - Van Halen
6. Joker & The Thief - Wolfmother
7. Crazy Train - Ozzy Osbourne
8. Hungry Like The Wolf - Duran Duran
9. New Day (Clean) - 50 Cent featuring Dr. Dre & Alicia Keys
10. No Way Back - Foo Fighters
11. Stronger - Kanye West
12. Black Betty - Ram Jam
13. Rock You Like A Hurricane - Scorpions
14. California Love - Tupac & Dr. Dre
15. I Found You (Bob Sinclar Remix) - The Wanted
16. Fuego - Lecrae featuring KB & Suzy Rock
17. Chasing The Sun - The Wanted
18. Pound The Alarm - Nicki Minaj
19. Get It Started - Pitbull featuring Shakira
20. Goin' In - J-Lo featuring Flo Rida
21. Hero - Nas featuring Keri Hilson
22. Good Feeling - Flo Rida
23. I'm Shipping Up To Boston - Dropkick Murphy's
24. Turn Me On - David Guetta featuring Nicki Minaj
25. Starships - Nicki Minaj
26. What Is Love - Haddaway
27. Turn Me On - David Guetta featuring Nicki Minaj
28. Chasing Summers - Tiësto
29. We Will Rock You - Queen
30. Foreign Exchange Student - XV featuring Miami Horror
31. Party Rock Anthem - LMFAO
32. I Love It (Club Edit) - Icona Pop featuring Charli XCX
33. Don't You Worry Child - Swedish House Mafia & John Martin
wow
Should we take bets on which direction SD's overreaction will go with regards to Chip monitoring their diets and making sure that they eat healthy?
I mean, on the one hand he seems to take his own personal fitness and diet seriously. On the other hand, he is totally unhinged about some fairly mundane shtein. I'm curious to see where this leads.
i cant imagine the thought of his favorite team drinking arugala smoothies being made in blenders powered by solar energy makes his bathing suit area tingle
DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT FLO RIDA IS FROM FLORIDA??
Quote from: rjs246 on May 14, 2013, 10:32:39 AM
Should we take bets on which direction SD's overreaction will go with regards to Chip monitoring their diets and making sure that they eat healthy?
I mean, on the one hand he seems to take his own personal fitness and diet seriously. On the other hand, he is totally unhinged about some fairly mundane shtein. I'm curious to see where this leads.
Anything that gives you an edge. Fitness and nutrition certainly do that. If you want to survive Chip's uptempo style than you need to be physically prepared. I'm 100% for it. I wish I had access to that type of personal training, physical therapy, and nutritionist.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 14, 2013, 12:35:29 PM
DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT FLO RIDA IS FROM FLORIDA??
Actually no. :-\ I know that's so simple, but I'm willing to give him a pass just on the name and what he did. All he did was add a space...genius!
actually didn't have Wolfmother "Joker & Thief"..... damn!
chip already reverting to dickish andy type pressers...and its only may....whats going to happen in the fall when he has to do a post game johnson
also cary williams is missing the ota's so he could build a house and get his teeth cleaned....still waiting to see why jason peters isnt there but it seems to be a voluntary absence
Not too worried about Peters. He seems healthy but I'm ok with him skipping out on OTAs in May. Could be that he wanted to spend the time doing work specifically to strengthen his achilles. Or maybe he got caught up playing Modern Warfare or something.
or maybe its a new regime and everyone should be there...wiliams is a worse no show because hes brand new...but unless he has a legit excuse jason peters should 100% be there even if hes not participating as he is a leader on the team
im thinking as suspected nfl veterans think little of chip kelly his oregon offense and his smoothies coming into the big leagues and trying to run shtein....
just sayin.....gus bradley had zero players skip his ota's
Or maybe not.
now its time for baseless uninformed speculation with michael "igy" havas
today's topic: why jason peters and cary williams aren't at ota's
Angelo Cataldi was his source. Unimpeachable?
actually chip kelly was the source...but he wont say why these guys arent there....he just acts like a bill belichek ahole who cant believe the mean and nasty philly media is even asking him these questions
you aint in eugene anymore dorothy and havent done a single thing yet that would give you the cache to act like a douche in the nfl
You're also making a story out of nothing, just like everyone in the Philly media. The less Peters has to be out there in bad weather 3 months away from the season, the better. Done.
It's funny what upsets some people.
I'll wait to be upset if and when Peters isn't starting the opener.
Now? Yeah, not so much.
Quote from: Dillen on May 29, 2013, 02:03:52 PM
You're also making a story out of nothing, just like everyone in the Philly media. The less Peters has to be out there in bad weather 3 months away from the season, the better. Done.
This. If it were just about any other veteran on the team, I might buy into what igy is selling. The thing we should all be focusing on is that another weekend of OTAs went by and Peters didn't get carted off the field.
Let's talk about how Chip has already lost the locker room. Who should they hire to replace this bum?
you are missing the point...hes not even at novacare rehabbing or anything...hes a complete no show...thats unacceptable for a veteran leader and shows a lack of respect for the new regime....which again isnt suprising as i called this when he was hired but dont act like leadership and players respecting their coach doesnt matter....if you think that then you didnt watch the eagles the last two seasons....it matters a lot in the nfl
it doesnt suprise me that homers would not want to admit this is not a good thing but you cant do that and then suck off dawk or troy vincent or whoever you slobbered over for most of the 2000's as being tremendous leaders
you also cant hate on the lack of leadership the team had last year and all the players they got rid of...just because a player or coach happens to be a current member of your favorite team doesnt give them a pass
i remember everyone loving that idiot babin two years ago totally ignoring what a cock he was....then the same people hating on him last year and being so glad when he was gone...fairweather homers get the gas face
Cary Williams is a douchebag anyways...so its not surprising that his sorry ass isn't there.
Marriage caused him to miss the first OTAs and now this?
He'll be gone in 2yrs
still dont care
wake me up when training camp starts
igy needs to chill out
peters is away for personal reasons--why are you bugging out? it was stated that lurie and kelly both know where he is.
I heard the Cary Williams used to work at Chotchkies, where he wore only the minimum pieces of flair.
15 pieces of flair to be exact.
in the last hour they have sent the calvary out to give vague by the book answers as to where peters is
howie: "we look forward to the next time or any time that jason peters is on the field for us"
Do you not look forward to it?
i like forward to the next topic wip brings up so igy can cry about something else that doesnt matter
I don't think I've ever been this nervous in my life.
Quote from: MDS on May 29, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
i like forward to the next topic wip brings up so igy can cry about something else that doesnt matter
sorry i care about my teams....i wish i could go thru life with a laissez faire who is colt anderson?....joe flacco didnt start playing football until last year...jason babin had a lot of sacks he is the bestest player eva attitude that you guys have
but thats not me
there's caring then there's being patton oswalt from big fan
you are being patton oswalt from big fan
Quote from: reese125 on May 29, 2013, 03:45:38 PM
I don't think I've ever been this nervous in my life.
Are you going to the candlelight vigil tonight?
Did you guys hear that Peters isn't attending this OTA? I think it's for many reasons, but lack of respect for Chip and his smoothies is definitely top 5.
igy needs to keep being igy, without the polarizing igy's of the world. The earth would be nothing, but plodding bodies roaming the earth having nothing to hate on. Without igy this board is just a bunch of homers who are just begging for another winner so they can put its dick in their mouth.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 29, 2013, 02:15:02 PM
Let's talk about how Chip has already lost the locker room. Who should they hire to replace this bum?
also, lol
Another winner? How many of us were alive when this team was actually a winner?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 02:07:02 PM
lol @ thinking Chip bolted to the NFL just because of that. Oregon is hardly getting the hammer. You're looking at probation and maybe 1-2 scholarships wiped out a year which is basically nothing.
BUT I THOUGHT HE BOLTED BECAUSE THEY FACED THE DEATH PENALTY?!?!?
He's still a flake.
Have a smoothie and a smile and shut the farg up Sassy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 29, 2013, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 29, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
i like forward to the next topic wip brings up so igy can cry about something else that doesnt matter
sorry i care about my teams....i wish i could go thru life with a laissez faire who is colt anderson?
That one got to you, didn't it. For the record, I still don't know who that is.
Quote from: hbionic on June 27, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 29, 2013, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 29, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
i like forward to the next topic wip brings up so igy can cry about something else that doesnt matter
sorry i care about my teams....i wish i could go thru life with a laissez faire who is colt anderson?
That one got to you, didn't it. For the record, I still don't know who that is.
it was just mind blowing to me that you didnt know who that was cause up until that point i always thought you were a pretty big fan....you would love boston....they have bars up there that only show soccer
lol, I love you man! I love you bud. I love you dude. I love you bro Montana. I love you holmes. I love you Broseph Goebbels. I love you muchacha. I love you Tycho Brohe. I love you IGY Smalls.
Also, what the hell are you doing in bars in Boston?
Oh shtein. Things just got real in here.
Seriously... how can you not love this guy?
Quote
Question: Philosophically or logistically is there a unique approach you take toward road trips or road games?
Coach Kelly: We fly if at all possible.
farging awesome.
I like his personality a lot more than I thought I would in the beginning. I'll give him that. Some of his answers (like that one) are a direct, but still subtle "farg you" to the idiot who wasted time asking such a stupid question.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000251997/article/jack-del-rio-among-top-candidate-to-replace-lane-kiffin-at-usc
Quote3. Chip Kelly, Philadelphia Eagles head coach: It would not shock me to see Kelly, 49, leave Philadelphia after one season, especially if the Eagles have a down year. Kelly knows better than most the kind of job this is and can be. He has never been in pro football before this season, and to tell you the truth, I'm not sure he's made for it. He reminds me of Steve Spurrier and Bob Stoops; they were destined to be college coaches. Kelly is similar. Being around him a little, I know he's a rah-rah, enthusiastic guy. Guys like that don't cut it for very long in the NFL. What he did at Oregon, transforming an OK program when he got there to what it is today, is nothing short of remarkable. This one could potentially get messy because of the sanctions leveled against Oregon. Kelly received an 18-month show-cause penalty, which would make his re-entry into college football problematic, but not impossible.
Now the longest tenured coach in Philly
Saw that when Lav got fired.
All 4 Philly teams have made coaching changes during the same calendar year. Wonder if that's ever happened before.
All 4 Philly teams currently have rookie head coaches (I think the dude the Flyers tagged as Lav's replacement did some HC for the Phantoms, but none in the NHL). Wonder if that's ever happened before.
Easy, farg your birthday for 5 minutes and look this shtein up.
pretty sure detroit did it in 2005
Here's what some other people found for me (I outsource this shtein now):
Toronto in 2008
Oakland in 2006
Detroit in 2005
Atlanta in 1990
Toronto & Oakland aren't 4 sport cities. ATL didn't get hockey until sometime in the late 90s.
This is what happens when you outsource.
yeah what the hell easy...maybe you should put edmonton 2008 on there as well
So Detroit canned all 4 coaches/managers in 2005, but they didn't hire 4 rookie coaches/managers as replacements.
Philly Sports: Making history for all the wrong reasons.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 08, 2013, 05:30:00 AM
Toronto & Oakland aren't 4 sport cities. ATL didn't get hockey until sometime in the late 90s.
This is what happens when you outsource.
Although ATL did have a hockey team in the Patrick division in the 70s before they moved to Calgary.
Oakland/the Bay Area had an NHL team back in the 60s, too I think. Still doesn't make them a 4 team city.
I asked for 3+, not just 4. farg restrictions
Well I asked for 4. So farg you.
VORP
The Bay Area has the SJ Sharks.
It's like 40 or 50 miles from Oakland. That'd be like the Flyers playing in Reading and Philly claiming it.
There's no Philly team fans outside the city limits.
Good point as always, Sassy.
And BTW... The 49ers are moving to Santa Clara which is literally adjacent to San Jose. I guess SF won't claim them anymore bc it's sooooo far away.
It's not about fans outside the city limits, it's about a city claiming a team that's 50 miles outside it's limits.
Kids meal. Outback. Go there.
but the sharks have never in any way been affiliated with the bay area...they never played in oakland or sf they were never based there and they never carried either cities name....I see no reason why either city would remotely care about about the sharks....it would be like people in baltimore rooting for the caps
Not gonna comment on the Niners basically moving to San Jose?
IGY... San Jose is on the south end of SF Bay. You realize that, right?
The Sharks actually are part of the "Bay Area." The Bay Area is SJ/SF/Oak....but that's besides the point.
Boston is predominantly Pats fans but I don't consider them to be a 4 sport city because Foxboro is so far removed from the Boston Metro. Just like if the Flyers moved to Reading, I wouldn't consider Philly to be a 4 sport city either. Reading is not Philly metro.
Oakland has the A's, Warriors, and Raiders.
San Fran has the 9ers and Giants.
SJ has a hockey team that SF and Oak aren't even aware of.
Quote from: Rome on October 08, 2013, 02:45:14 PM
IGY... San Jose is on the south end of SF Bay. You realize that, right?
not sure how that is relevant at all
sf is right across a bridge from oakland but when the raiders didn't have a football team it would have be blasphemous for someone from oakland to root for the 49ers
you root for your city you don't root for a team
go a's!
go warriors!
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
but the sharks have never in any way been affiliated with the bay area...they never played in oakland or sf they were never based there
They played at the Cow Palace the first few years, 10 mins to the west of Candlestick
lol
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 08, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
but the sharks have never in any way been affiliated with the bay area...they never played in oakland or sf they were never based there
They played at the Cow Palace the first few years, 10 mins away from Candlestick
not in san francisco and it was temporary until they moved to their original planned home....san jose
if they had stayed in a sf suburb and were named the sf sharks then it would make sense....but san jose is a legit city
again it would be like the flyers moving to baltimore and people from philly rooting for them.....this isnt a giants playing in east rutherford situation
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 08, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
The Sharks actually are part of the "Bay Area." The Bay Area is SJ/SF/Oak....but that's besides the point.
Boston is predominantly Pats fans but I don't consider them to be a 4 sport city because Foxboro is so far removed from the Boston Metro. Just like if the Flyers moved to Reading, I wouldn't consider Philly to be a 4 sport city either. Reading is not Philly metro.
Oakland has the A's, Warriors, and Raiders.
San Fran has the 9ers and Giants.
SJ has a hockey team that SF and Oak aren't even aware of.
Technically I believe that Reading is included in some definitions of the Philadelphia metropolitan area. I tried to look it up on the census website for an "official" answer, but it is closed due to the government shutdown.
I sure the republicans are blaming that on Obama's unwillingness to negotiate already.
reading is not philly....beleeedat
Daly City isn't SF.
Got it.
When driving from Philly to Reading you pass farms and shtein. When you start passing farms you've officially left the metro area. Reading is obviously in the Philly market and damn near everyone there is an Eagles/Phillies/Flyers/6ers fan, but it def ain't Philly or Philly metro.
Reading is considered part of the Philadelphia market for TV/radio. So are the Lehigh Valley area, southern Jersey and Wilmington. Reading isn't grouped with Harrisburg
Quote from: Rome on October 08, 2013, 03:29:40 PM
Daly City isn't SF.
Got it.
a san jose team played in a san fran suburb for ten minutes so they are a san fran team now?
i don't know why im asking a guy from south jersey who roots for the orlando magic this question....i guess im a glutton for punishment
Hell, I live in the Philly market for TV and radio. Phils and Eagles games are on local tv so I must be Philly metro. Oh, wait a minute. I just looked out my window and saw a farm. Not metro.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2013, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: Rome on October 08, 2013, 03:29:40 PM
Daly City isn't SF.
Got it.
a san jose team played in a san fran suburb for ten minutes so they are a san fran team now?
i don't know why im asking a guy from south jersey who roots for the orlando magic this question....i guess im a glutton for punishment
probably for the same reason i'm talking to a guy who lives in maryland and roots for philly teams. boredom.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 08, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
Reading is considered part of the Philadelphia market for TV/radio. So are the Lehigh Valley area, southern Jersey and Wilmington. Reading isn't grouped with Harrisburg
this is the most random weird post ever.....who mentioned harrisburg?
and for the record people from reading can and should root for philadelphia teams but that's totally different than reading being "philly"......its def not
like sarge said if the flyers moved to reading and became the reading flyers that would be the end of them in philly
I'm sure Flyers fans in Philly would still root for them, but you definitely couldn't say that Philly is a 4 sport city.
Reading and San Jose are really similar, though. Aside from geography, wealth, and population they're nearly identical. It's actually a great comparison.
I was responding to Geo asking if Reading was considered part of Philly or not. Of course Reading isn't like Philly. Whitey Bucks County isn't like Philly either. Camden...getting closer. They're all considered the same market though. I brought up Harrisburg because that's the next closest major market, and Harrisburg is considered a secondary market of both Philly and Baltimore. San Jose is considered part of the "Bay Area" market, and Sacramento is a secondary market of the "Bay Area", which now leads to a discussion of whether or not Kings/Sharks fans are allowed to exist. All of this has to do with Chip Kelly of course
I was responding to Sassy's excellent initial analogy.
Except that I didn't compare anything about Reading and San Jose other than their distances from SF and Philly. Not sure what their population or wealth really has to do with anything.
no one from philly should root for a team from reading but it would at least be understandable because no one is from reading besides matty and the bat boy for the reading phils who has 13 fingers....but san jose is an actual real life city...and under no circumstances do you root for a team from another city
I no longer care.
Go Magic.
With the exception of BigEd...all of your are idiots. Of course, you each knew that already...but just in case you all forgot in this carousel of captivating conversation. Make sure you all end yourselves when you're finished but light yourselves on fire before you do so there's not mess to pick up.
Eh, I don't know if I'll go quite that far. If someone in San Fran likes hockey and roots for the Sharks, that's cool. There's no alternative and SJ makes the most sense. It's not like people in SJ aren't 9ers or Raiders fans just because they don't live within city limits. And I wouldn't expect 9er fans to stop being 9ers fans when the team moves to Santa Clara....which technically is a city in and of itself, but is more like a suburb of San Jose.
But San Jose is a legit city and the Sharks do not "belong" to San Fran, which I think is what the actual point was to begin with.
I've been to San Jose and they're all Niners/Giants fans there, so now what
good chip kelly talk, you guys
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 08, 2013, 04:08:00 PM
I've been to San Jose and they're all Niners/Giants fans there, so now what
san jose is a pos city who doesn't have pride nor really care about sports
but we already knew this
San Jose is a really nice city. I think Chip Kelly lives there in the offseason.
Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Jose. Which of course in German means "a whale's vagina".
Das valen pussen?
Come home from work. Review unread topics. Click on this one...see four whole pages of unread posts were made since this morning.
It's a hippo attack, don't even have to read.
Didn't read.
I'm enjoying Chip Kelly's tenure so far. Beating the teams he should. Put up a good fight against SD and KC, could have won them if a few things were different. Can't complain about that in year one. Got murdered by the best team in the league, like everyone else they've faced in the NFC East.
Fine with me so far.
Also...farg you idiots.
Ever dig a ditch in San Jose under the pale moon light?
hahaha - that was funny.
And yeah until Sassy's comment made me laugh I was contemplating throwing myself off a bridge (maybe one in the SF Bay Area?) from reading you clowns
Serves both of you right for clicking on a Chip Kelly thread. I mean, really... what news could there be there?
That he got fired for winning a second game and farging up Howie's draft stragedy.
chip kelly
30 point games for the offense (2012): 1 (and 30 points was reached in garbage time of a loss)
30 point games for the offense (2013): 4 (in 6 games)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/philadelphia-eagles/0ap2000000292933/Chip-Kelly-s-sarcastic-rant
Regardless of how this turns out over the next few years.....it's so god damned refreshing to have a coach with a farging pulse again.
Nice answer, Chip. I liked it.
Now...work on that second half offense and getting Shady back on track, buddy
typical les bowen
It's actually the second time in the past few days Kelly gave it to Bowen with both barrels. After the Cards game, Bowen asked him the first question in the presser and it was something along the lines of 'Why weren't you able to keep momentum?' - and Kelly retorted with something like 'Hey it's a win, can't we start with a positive?' Totally blew him off, definitely doesn't seem to like Les.
Les is curmudgeonly for sure. I would sacrifice mds to a San Fran bathhouse gang to have been in the room when he punched McLane.
I like Chip's attitude.
The questions are so overwhelmingly inane, especially in mid-week PCs. They literally have nothing interesting to ask him anymore, so they just throw garbage at him.
Incidentally the uncensored PC was on PE.com earlier and appears to have been taken down.
they wrote their "they cant hold the lead" stories on monday and tuesday....now its wednesday and thursday and they still need to produce content
its among the inherent problems with sports writing and why i want to do something else at this point
your future is in message board writing
lol that's cold.
this place.
We have standards, you know.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2013, 07:53:55 AM
your future is in message board writing
can i do it from your basement
we can start a wire podcast from it
Quote from: MDS on December 06, 2013, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2013, 07:53:55 AM
your future is in message board writing
can i do it from your basement
so you'll be raping the english language from a rape basement. excellent.
im pretty sure daddy warbacks mchavas doesnt have a rape basement
its finished, with a flat screen and old rick tocchet tapes
so then he'll lure you in with the promise of crab cakes and all five seasons of the GOAT tv show the wire in 3D.
dance dance wire beats dance dance rhymes wire dance beats rhymes wire
I can't imagine why we've lost so many regulars here.
i doubt this little lighthearted exchange is comparable to the legendary flame wars that were the norm around here.
hugs ?
Only if you post more in the soccer thread.
Ok ... just keep your hands above my waist romeo
Chip was an answer in Jeopardy just now
Quote"I understand you have to ask the question [about leaving for Texas], but I'm not involved in any jobs. I'm the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and I'm going to prepare for the Bears, we're going to prepare for the Cowboys after that. Hopefully, we have an opportunity to go to the playoffs and I plan to be here for a while." Asked why his name is often linked to open college jobs, the former Oregon coach shrugged. "I really don't know. I haven't to talked to anybody. It's just speculation. I haven't spoken to anybody, nor will I speak to anybody."
Kelly was asked if he thought he's still viewed as a college coach more than a head coach, even with his Eagles atop the NFC East at 8-6.
"I consider myself a pro coach eight times this year, and six times I haven't."
He's got an 18month ban I thought either way from coaching in college?
lead story on sportscenter
http://southernphilly.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/college-boy/
https://www.youtube.com/embed/QTiFRa70m48
i like him more than that fat guy
Hey coach... what's the plan?
What? farging score points. What's your plan?
Greatest hire ever.
I like that a hell of a lot more than his "We're from Philly and we fight" comment.
I've liked Kelley more than Reid since his first presser. At least we have a coach who is somewhat candid with his remarks. I like him more as a coach because he makes the most of his talent. Shady wouldn't be running the ball like he is with Reid calling the plays, pass, pass, and more passes. It seems like Kelly is finally getting the most out of Shady. That and I like his game plans, play calling and overall offense better than Reid's.
Having said that, I think one thing that has been overlooked by fans and anylist is how good would this offense be if Maclin hadn't gotten hurt? Some here think that it wasn't much of a loss, but I think different. With the way Foles spreads the ball around I can't help but think that this offense would be all but unstoppable with both Pimp and Mac on the field. During the offseason, if they can add a couple key players on D, like at the defensive backfield and linebacker positions, then this could end up being one hell of a team.
I've thought about that, but I think it ultimately comes out to a wash. I like Maclin a lot, and thought he'd do great in the offense since it seemed right up his alley and was similar to why he was so successful in college... but much of the offense's success is because of great downfield blocking, so having Cooper and Avant out there more helps (I know, did anyone think that sentence could ever be written?).
I'm coming around on Kelly. The success he's had from the start at least guarantees he isn't going to flake out and run back to college, which was my 2nd biggest concern with him....the 1st being that he had no NFL exp.
He's wildly exceeded my expectations this year. Actually, it's really Billy Davis who has exceeded expectations. I felt that Kelly's offense would put points on the board, but I really thought the D would make a run at Baltimore's record for points allowed in a season.
But I'll give Chipper a lot of credit. He's adjusted fairly quickly to the pros, handled the team well, and has them in position to clinch the division in his 1st season. Not too shabby. He's also very entertaining when he's being candid. His pandering to the fanbase is usually forced and uncomfortable though.
Having Maclin out there instead of Avant, or more accurately Maclin and the racist instead of Cooper and Avant, would be a noticeable improvement. He's a 70 receptions, 900 yards guy when they have garbage throwing to him. Avant's good for 50 catches in a good year, and Riley Cooper's breaout year has been for 44 catches with one game to go.
I'll take the receivers capable of 80, 70, and 45 catches over 80, 50, 45
Yeah Maclin opposite of DeSean in this offense would have been damn fun to watch. Hopefully they bring him back next year on a 1 year see if you still got it contract, along with drafting or signing a big guy with talent to play opposite of pimp.
Also, from what I remember, Maclin was a pretty good downfield blocker himself. I remember a few times last year both him and DeSean getting into it downfield.
The current crop of WRs, including Mac, have been really good at downfield blocking over the last few years, IMO. That's one area tha Pimp is pretty good at and doesn't get enough recognition for.
I like Cooper as a third receiver but let's not confuse his abilities with Maclin's because Maclin is ten times the receiver Cooper is. Cooper has shown that Avant is expendable as that guy. Bring Maclin back in this offense and he's a 70/1100/8 guy guaranteed.
That might piss off Pimp and Shady, though, but farg em.
Cooper and Mac are both free agents this year so it will be interesting to see how the FO approaches it. In the Banner years (Joe, not SBs) it would be predictable but now I don't know. My guess is Howie still low balls both and is willing to go up a good bit with Mac (if medical all looks good) but won't go up a whole lot with Cooper.
I'd love them to bring Maclin back, but not without also signing a legit #2 guy in case he isn't himself after the injury. When the season ends in the next 1-3 weeks, I expect Ed to supply a list of FA WR's
Maclin has twice the skill as Coop but is he willing to be physical....meh
They can afford to bring both back, #2 receiver money isn't exactly going to break the bank.
Yeah, it's not like Cooper is going to get outrageous offers on the market. Who wants to spend big bucks on a racist with 50ish receptions? And Mac's injury def hurt his market value, though I could see a few desperate teams offering him big(ger) contracts hoping that he stays healthy. Even a gimpy Mac has more upside than KKKooper.
Although I don't care about piling on, the racist thing about Cooper really is a good point. How many teams will want to go near him? His outlook would be better if he were a top WR and people would be willing to put up with his rep, but you can get guys at his level without the baggage, so despite a near shocking emergence this season for him, Howie will probably get him on the cheap. My guess with Mac is they offer him a fairly decent contract but with little guaranteed money after the next year or two so they can cut him or renegotiate down if he's not worth it.
I don't think Coopers racist attitude will figure into any team signing him at all. Wife beaters, rapist, and all other kinds of degenerates get paid millions if they're good enough.
It's going to be touchy with Maclin's situation. It usually takes a full year to come back from his type of injury. Are the Eagles willing to wait that long is the question. If he comes back strong next year then I'll be pleasantly surprised. The only good thing about it is that he was injured early in training camp and has a whole year to rehab.
both are incredibly replaceable and im fine with and would probably prefer both of them being gone...if chipper is the genius everyone says he is then the offense needs to go next level....i wanna see some greatest show on turf shtein and you arent going to get there with riley cooper and an off injury mack as two of your top 3 wr
these are two guys who you bring back if you have cap issues or are trying to pinch pennies...not if you are trying to take the next step...one of them back would be fine if you got a legit threat split end opposite pimp
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
both are incredibly replaceable and im fine with and would probably prefer both of them being gone...if chipper is the genius everyone says he is then the offense needs to go next level....i wanna see some greatest show on turf shtein and you arent going to get there with riley cooper and an off injury mack as two of your top 3 wr
these are two guys who you bring back if you have cap issues or are trying to pinch pennies...not if you are trying to take the next step...one of them back would be fine if you got a legit threat split end opposite pimp
Problem is who are you replacing them with? I think Chip's offense can elevate marginal #2 receivers, but I look at the FA list and don't see anyone who looks to have the talent to elevate the offense much. Unless you want to spend a first rd pick on one which I don't see happening this year.
http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=WR&Year=2014
maybe someone like golden tate would be interesting. I could see mccluster having a big impact in an offense like this if used interestingly but not as a prototypical wr opposite jackson.
The FO is likely to keep at least one of them, I would think. I like Maclin, but whatever. As long as Cooper isn't the #2 next year because someone, whether Maclin or another bona fide NFL WR is, I could care less. DeSean Jackson elevates whoever plays opposite him.
The Eagles have more urgent needs than WR. Desperate needs. There is only one DB worth bringing back as far as I can tell.
Brandon Lafell would be a solid add.
I'm expecting Maclin back on a one year deal and cooper back to play the slot if they can bring him back at reasonable $$. Avant gone and a 3rd round pick or so used on WR to be the 4th and hopefully develop into more.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 27, 2013, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
both are incredibly replaceable and im fine with and would probably prefer both of them being gone...if chipper is the genius everyone says he is then the offense needs to go next level....i wanna see some greatest show on turf shtein and you arent going to get there with riley cooper and an off injury mack as two of your top 3 wr
these are two guys who you bring back if you have cap issues or are trying to pinch pennies...not if you are trying to take the next step...one of them back would be fine if you got a legit threat split end opposite pimp
http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=WR&Year=2014
maybe someone like golden tate would be interesting. I could see mccluster having a big impact in an offense like this if used interestingly but not as a prototypical wr opposite jackson.
doesnt have to be an nfl free agent...id be fine addressing the position in the draft...this is a process as it will only be chippers second year...also its not as tho the position is strong where a rookie couldnt upgrade it even in year one altho wr's generally take longer to adapt than almost any nfl position
they would have to move up and i know most people want defense in the first round but if they like him i wouldnt be against moving up to get marquise lee....i think hed be incredible in this offense
as for free agents i think a great buy low guy would be hakeem nicks...i think he could flourish with a change of scenery (and of course good health)
It's funny how some people think Maclin is so easily replaceable. Need I remind you of the names of the shteinbag losers they brought in before they picked up Maclin & Pimp?
by that idiotic theory you would agree that shady is unbelievably replaceable since they had westbrook before him?
and on the other hand that all their current linebackers are pretty much irreplaceable?
Is that like when flammable and inflammable mean the same thing?
I'd be fine with re-signing Maclin and Cooper. I'd be happier if they added a tall receiver who can stretch the field and go up for the occasional jump ball. That type of receiver would make Desean that much more dangerous.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2013, 07:06:43 PM
by that idiotic theory you would agree that shady is unbelievably replaceable since they had westbrook before him?
and on the other hand that all their current linebackers are pretty much irreplaceable?
Not to mention that the crappy WRs from 1999-2003 weren't signed/drafted by anyone in the current FO and coaching staff.
that's the same thinking that led people to say "if you fire Andy Reid who are you replacing him with?!?!?"
http://southernphilly.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/college-boy/
rube is usually a massive homer, didnt know he was killing the hire
If Maclin can come back to what he was then I feel that he'd be as good if not better than Pimp. The Eagles could have a Clayton/Duper type combo. I though he was a top ten receiver when he went out.
Cooper can go take a flying leap but I'd do what I could to keep Maclin if he comes back healthy. Having said that, the Eagles most likely bring them both back and draft mostly defense sneaking a qb in there somewere.
Quote from: shorebird on December 29, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
The Eagles could have a Clayton/Duper type combo. I though he was a top ten receiver when he went out.
Maclin was one of the top ten on the Eagles, yeah.
Quote from: MDS on December 28, 2013, 03:08:36 AM
rube is usually a massive homer, didnt know he was killing the hire
it was his way of homering it up....basically saying the franchise was better than chip kelly and they didnt want or need him anyway
once he signed on roob was all in hard
Quote from: shorebird on December 29, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
I though he was a top ten receiver when he went out.
yeah no
From today's Kempski article:
QuoteThe Eagles finished the season with (by my count) 99 plays of 20+ yards. That is the most of any team since the NFL began tracking that stat in 1991.
And not only that, they did it with balance. The Eagles ran for 2500 yards this season, and passed for 4000. They're the first team to do that since the 1998 San Francisco 49ers.
Another good PC from The Chipper today
"how do you grade yourself"
"I give myself a 58.8%"
"how do you come up with that"
"we won 10/17 games"
good call on his response to the Desean contract thing
"i'm not a contract guy"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2014, 01:10:31 PM
Another good PC from The Chipper today
"how do you grade yourself"
"I give myself a 58.8%"
"how do you come up with that"
"we won 10/17 games"
Second time I've heard that from him, said in different ways.
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/01/08/believe-chip/
QuoteDeSean Jackson: "I think he just installed a mentality in us in this era with everybody here."
I don't know what I'd do if players weren't allowed to talk to the media anymore.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Random-Eagles-notes-Keyshawn-Johnsons-brilliant-analysis-of-Chip-Kelly-and-more.html
maxwell coach of the year
homer pick
Sure...but a lot of Maxwell Club coach of the years also end up being AP coach of the year
And just be be clear....AP Coach of the Year is way better than Super Bowl winning coach.
AMIRITE?
Just saying, there might be a couple tiny Eagle connections at Maxwell.
Quote from: WikipediaThe Maxwell Football Club (originally called the Maxwell Football Club of Philadelphia) was established in 1935 to promote safety in the game of American football. Named in honor of the late Robert W. (Tiny) Maxwell, legendary college player, official, and sports columnist, the club was founded by his friend Bert Bell, then owner of the Philadelphia Eagles professional football team and later commissioner of the National Football League. The awards are presented during the spring of the following year.
As of 2012, the club's president is Ron Jaworski, former NFL quarterback. The club's headquarters are located in Ambler, Pennsylvania.
Awards
Earle "Greasy" Neale Award for Professional Coach of the Year, introduced in 1989
Also, gotta chuckle:
Quote from: WikipediaFormer awards
Joseph V. Paterno Award (formerly the George Munger Award) for College Coach of the Year, introduced in 1989, discontinued in 2011
BB should and will win the AP award by a landslide.
I'm just gonna go ahead and vent my internal angst about Chip...
I farging hate that he won some meaningless coaching award and I'll bet that he's gone, back to the college ranks, after next year when his NCAA punishment is up.
That is all.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2014, 12:12:06 PM
I'm just gonna go ahead and vent my internal angst about Chip...
I farging hate that he won some meaningless coaching award and I'll bet that he's gone, back to the college ranks, after next year when his NCAA punishment is up.
That is all.
I could be entirely wrong, but I am convinced that Chip is motivated by the challenge of being successfull in the NFL. He has no Vagina in his life bossing him around. He has no kids to ignore and lead to a life a drug abuse and or suicide. This man isn't motivated by the usual things that lead to demise. I hope I'm right, because like everyone else I like being right, but more importantly because if this coach doesn't work out for the Eagles I see this team falling into the world of mediocraty for a long time. I have nothing to back this up, but I'm guessing there arent many franchises that have 3 coaches in 4 years and then find themselves in Super Bowls any time in the near future/ rant over.
Quote from: Chameleon on January 20, 2014, 12:28:52 PM
I have nothing to back this up, but I'm guessing there arent many franchises that have 3 coaches in 4 years and then find themselves in Super Bowls any time in the near future/ rant over.
Well the 49ers just did this, but yeah I doubt it's happened often.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2014, 12:12:06 PM
I'm just gonna go ahead and vent my internal angst about Chip...
I farging hate that he won some meaningless coaching award and I'll bet that he's gone, back to the college ranks, after next year when his NCAA punishment is up.
That is all.
i agree....i think he will say the nfl was a cool experience and im glad i tried it but im a college guy at heart....i still say he ends up at georgia
That was my stance at first as well. I figured he'd flake out. But that opinion was also tied to the fact that I didn't think he'd win at this level...especially not this quickly. I thought they'd be bad in year 1, a little less bad in year 2 and then he'd bolt for college. But if he is able to duplicate or even improve in year 2, then I gotta think he's going to give it a few years to see what he can accomplish. But if this turns out to be a 1 yr wonder and the Eagles are 6-10 next year with a middle of the pack (or worse) offense, I could see him heading back to college.
by all accounts he likes the fact that the doesn't have to travel across the country begging kids to come to school. he said a few times he enjoyed this December more than in college because of staying focused on football and not recruiting. he said he loves the draft because it's 3 days and done. i think the nfl style suits him more and i don't see him going back to college
"A college guy at heart," lol. igy can read minds thru the teevee.
I have no idea what Kelly will do and neither does anyone else.
lol
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 21, 2014, 10:48:14 AM
That was my stance at first as well. I figured he'd flake out. But that opinion was also tied to the fact that I didn't think he'd win at this level...especially not this quickly. I thought they'd be bad in year 1, a little less bad in year 2 and then he'd bolt for college. But if he is able to duplicate or even improve in year 2, then I gotta think he's going to give it a few years to see what he can accomplish. But if this turns out to be a 1 yr wonder and the Eagles are 6-10 next year with a middle of the pack (or worse) offense, I could see him heading back to college.
i was wrong this year on them so who knows....but i cant see any way they win more games next year and even matching this year would be stupendous
they had a dream schedule combined with incredibly good health...look at just the road opponents next year....its pretty bonkers...plus they got seattle and carolina at home....im going against my own rule of schedule watching in january....for example last year at green bay looked bad but then scott tolzien happened....still they are going to have to approve by leaps and bounds to get to ten wins next year imo...in fact i will be anyone right now 100 bucks they dont finish over five hundred next year
i also dont think winning or losing has a whole lot to do with him going back to college....i mean short of him going 4-12 for the next three years and getting fired...altho i do agree that a tough year for him might open his eyes about going back a little more...but mostly its going to have to do with timing...for example if texas had opened up next year i think he may have went....hes not going back to coach oklahoma st or stanford....hes only going to go for a big sec program texas or usc something like that....in fact i think he was born to be an sec coach
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 11:11:31 AM...in fact i will be anyone right now 100 bucks they dont finish over five hundred next year
I'm too poor to risk this but I hope someone takes your money
No chance they improve. They got lucky. Chip's headed to Georgia.
The IGY offseason checklist is complete.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 21, 2014, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 11:11:31 AM...in fact i will be anyone right now 100 bucks they dont finish over five hundred next year
but I hope someone takes your money
so do i....but i doubt anyone steps up...its to risky
right now id put the number at this....
9 wins or more - 40%
8 wins or less - 60%
Quote from: Rome on January 21, 2014, 11:17:22 AM
Chip's headed to Georgia.
IGY season checklist is complete
wouldnt be until at least next year....and this is just my gut feeling.,...i fully admit the odds are against it as we stand now and certainly wouldnt bet it....unlike next years record which has much to back it up
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 11:11:31 AM
in fact i will be anyone right now 100 bucks they dont finish over five hundred next year
I'll go double or nothing on the $25 you owe me from our Skins winning the East bet this season. So is 8-8 a push? What if they make the playoffs at 8-8?
I normally wouldn't bet this because I have no clue what they're going to do this offseason but the East is bad.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 21, 2014, 10:48:14 AM
That was my stance at first as well. I figured he'd flake out. But that opinion was also tied to the fact that I didn't think he'd win at this level...especially not this quickly. I thought they'd be bad in year 1, a little less bad in year 2 and then he'd bolt for college. But if he is able to duplicate or even improve in year 2, then I gotta think he's going to give it a few years to see what he can accomplish. But if this turns out to be a 1 yr wonder and the Eagles are 6-10 next year with a middle of the pack (or worse) offense, I could see him heading back to college.
i was wrong this year on them so who knows....but i cant see any way they win more games next year and even matching this year would be stupendous
they had a dream schedule combined with incredibly good health...look at just the road opponents next year....its pretty bonkers...plus they got seattle and carolina at home....im going against my own rule of schedule watching in january....for example last year at green bay looked bad but then scott tolzien happened....still they are going to have to approve by leaps and bounds to get to ten wins next year imo...in fact i will be anyone right now 100 bucks they dont finish over five hundred next year
i also dont think winning or losing has a whole lot to do with him going back to college....i mean short of him going 4-12 for the next three years and getting fired...altho i do agree that a tough year for him might open his eyes about going back a little more...but mostly its going to have to do with timing...for example if texas had opened up next year i think he may have went....hes not going back to coach oklahoma st or stanford....hes only going to go for a big sec program texas or usc something like that....in fact i think he was born to be an sec coach
IN
Will bet any amount under $250 that the eagles will be over .500 next year. In my proposed bet, 8-8 would be a push, 8-7-1 would be a win for me. 7-7-2 would be a win for you. Eagles_Legendz should be able to attest that I'm good for the money. I would not be apposed to escrowing the money with him before the season. Put up or shut up IGGY.
Quote from: Chameleon on January 21, 2014, 02:02:22 PM
Will bet any amount under $250 that the eagles will be over .500 next year. In my proposed bet, 8-8 would be a push, 8-7-1 would be a win for me. 7-7-2 would be a win for you. Eagles_Legendz should be able to attest that I'm good for the money. I would not be apposed to escrowing the money with him before the season. Put up or shut up IGGY.
lol....ill bet you 100 but i get 8 and below....you get 9 and above....no pushes...im the one going out on a limb as their
minimum vegas number is going to be nine and probably closer to like 10.5...truthfully i should be getting odds here but im willing to suck it up
Quotein fact i will be anyone right now 100 bucks they dont finish over five hundred next year
6 nfc east
vs jax, ten, stl, sea, car
at arz, gb, hou, indy, sf
5-1 in the division...wins over jax, ten, stl and hou. thats 9 right there. rest of the games are up in the air.
IN
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
Quotein fact i will be anyone right now 100 bucks they dont finish over five hundred next year
6 nfc east
5-1 in the division
division was all time bad last year and the eagles still only went 4-2...it will be much better next year...4 wins is their nfce ceiling in 2014
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: Chameleon on January 21, 2014, 02:02:22 PM
Will bet any amount under $250 that the eagles will be over .500 next year. In my proposed bet, 8-8 would be a push, 8-7-1 would be a win for me. 7-7-2 would be a win for you. Eagles_Legendz should be able to attest that I'm good for the money. I would not be apposed to escrowing the money with him before the season. Put up or shut up IGGY.
lol....ill bet you 100 but i get 8 and below....you get 9 and above....no pushes...im the one going out on a limb as their minimum vegas number is going to be nine and probably closer to like 10.5...truthfully i should be getting odds here but im willing to suck it up
Ok, no pushes. If the Eagles go 8-8 and do not win the division, you win. If the Eagles go 8-8 and win the division I win. Booked?
He did say above .500.
Fine 9 wins. Booked 10,000 pennies.
Gambling for farging retards in effect.
Quote from: Rome on January 21, 2014, 04:26:01 PM
Gambling for farging retards in effect.
That's not a nice word. I prefer to be called mentally disabled.
How many is that?
Shut up stillupfront.
I'm askin' how many people have taken vigy's bet.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 11:11:31 AM
they had a dream schedule combined with incredibly good health...
Yes, losing your most productive receiver the last three years for the season in training camp, and then your starting qb seven games into the season was incredibly good health.
I thought we had a running bet by the year on the Eagles and taterskins records until he mysteriously forgot one year when the Eagles won the division.
actually the more i think about it the dumber the bet is and im not doing it.....not that i dont believe in it but its strategically assinine when i can get another game or two once the vegas season totals come out....if anyone wants to go with me on that number ill be glad to do it
ha
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 09:03:51 PM
actually the more i think about it the dumber the bet is and im not doing it.....not that i dont believe in it but its strategically assinine when i can get another game or two once the vegas season totals come out....if anyone wants to go with me on that number ill be glad to do it
back track johnny
the vegas number will be probably be 10 for the eagles which i will not go over...they could easily be 8-8 or 9-7 but they will not be 5-11
Quote from: MDS on January 22, 2014, 02:13:22 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 09:03:51 PM
actually the more i think about it the dumber the bet is and im not doing it.....not that i dont believe in it but its strategically assinine when i can get another game or two once the vegas season totals come out....if anyone wants to go with me on that number ill be glad to do it
back track johnny
absolutely....im dumb but im not stupid
Quote from: MDS on January 22, 2014, 02:13:22 AM
the vegas number will be probably be 10 for the eagles which i will not go over...they could easily be 8-8 or 9-7 but they will not be 5-11
im not predicting 5-11 im saying they have as much chance at 5-11 as they do 11-5...maybe that chance is zero for both in your mind...which is fair...altho RIGHT NOW i think the odds are higher that they finish 5-11....
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 09:03:51 PMthe more i think about it the dumber the bet is and im not doing it.....not that i dont believe in it but...
it's a dumb bet so I won't do it but I still believe in it
100%
vigy talk talk talk
all nonsense
here are my two options with the same return on each:
1. bet on under 9 games
2. bet on under 10/10.5 games
even an errand boy can see how stupid a bet it would have been
even an errand boy can see that you is all talk
ill tell you what if it will make your feelings less hurt....when the vegas number is released ill give you first crack at the over for whatever your max amount is
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2014, 12:37:53 PM
ill tell you what if it will make your feelings less hurt....when the vegas number is released ill give you first crack at the over for whatever your max amount is
My pockets are deeper than you think. Stop writing checks you can't cash.
settle down potna
who said anything about your pockets?
in fact who said anything to you at all
Since you accepted then reniged on a bet with me yesterday one would think I would have first crack at the poorly constructed wallet within your sweatpants.
dio wont bet and if he does it wont be more than a hammy
no matter what the number is im betting the under doesnt matter if its with you or my bookie...so sure you can have a crack
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2014, 08:41:50 AM
im not predicting 5-11 im saying they have as much chance at 5-11 as they do 11-5...maybe that chance is zero for both in your mind...which is fair...altho RIGHT NOW i think the odds are higher that they finish 5-11....
No rational mind thinks this. This is just igor hippoing in up.
A lot can happen between now and the start of the season. Look at what happened to the Washington Nationals. Everyone thought they were a shoo-in in 2013 and they bombed. How many people thought the Falcons were going to totally implode after making the NFCCG last year?
I don't see the Eagles devolving the way the Falcons did but I'd be surprised if they were much better or worse than they are now.
If they went 8-8 because of major injuries it wouldn't surprise me. If they went 12-4 and won the Super Bowl because they hit the jackpot in the draft and free agency and stayed healthy, it would shock the hell out of me.
They have major issues still on defense and as long as they have those issues they're not going to be legit contenders.
yeah absolutely its early...if the eagles mop up in free agency and score a player or two in the draft who can start right away then things of course change
right now my theory is based on 1. the schedule 2. they cant be that healthy again 3. ebbs and flows in the nfl - how many times these days in the league do we see teams go from 4-12 to 10-6 or 11-5 to 5-11...ect...it happens all the time and imo right now the eagles are a prime candidate to do a flip mode like that
jeff mcclane is saying that chip has more influence in the draft room than howie
Granted they did stay healthier than when they've had shtein luck in the past-- but I think losing Maclin was a huge loss, and even though it worked out, their starting QB missed multiple games. They had players on defense hurt, but those players sucked, so it didn't feel much like a loss. The big win was a relatively healthy year for the Oline.
a "relatively" healthy offensive line?
% of snaps played by the o line starters this year
peters - 92%
mathis - 100%
kelce - 99%
herremans - 100%
lj - 99%
by any measure the eagles as a team had phenomenal health this year that will be virtually impossible to duplicate in any of the next five years much less next year
in fact the one significant injury they had was one that everyone was rooting for to happen so that the team could get better....that just doesnt ever happen
You basically said what I just said. Other than the Maclin injury being an important loss. Which it was.
...and I'd count Oline health as possibly the most important thing over QB, by the way. So, yeah, by that measure they were in good shape this year, for sure.
well i was only talking about in season injuries
but if you wanna include maclin i think that points even more to their great health...cause if you count mini camps training camp and preseason games just losing mack during all that time is even more impressive
should also be noted that peters coming off multiple achillies tears was a pretty big quaetionmark and he played over 90% of the offensive snaps
it basically was a dream season on the injury front
Considering they lost Maclin after the draft and after free agency dried up, I don't see how you could not count that.
oh i def count it....but he was the only significant injury from april to september....hes a nice player but nothing special and ill take that as my offseason injury list every year
and like i said if you wanna count the off and pre seasons that makes it even MORE impressive.....from april 1 to december 29 their only significant injury was jeremy macklin....thats astounding...in fact you can make the argument that the most impactful injury the eagles had all season was to a rookie fifth rounder
My point is, and I'm sure, your argumentative nature aside, you know this: they weren't unscathed. Overall, they had a healthy year, but it's not like they didn't have losses. The major losses, though, were the fortunate kind and the kind easy to overlook because of when they happened and who they happened to.
Earl Wolffff being out hurt. That meant more Patrick Chung time
Quote from: Zanshin on January 23, 2014, 09:57:16 AM
they weren't unscathed.
we agree.....the eagles were not able to make it thru an entire calendar year without having a player get injured
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
in fact you can make the argument that the most impactful injury the eagles had all season was to a rookie fifth rounder
I'd say the most impactful injury was Vick.
Facetiousness aside, if you don't count Maclin I think you're right. The difference is that I do count Maclin, and I think he was a bigger loss than you do. I actually think he's the best all-around receiver on the team, and I think he opens even more up for Jackson as the big play threat. It's not like there was a lot behind him to make up for that. Even though Cooper came up big by Cooper standards, he's still Cooper. That's my main point.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2014, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
in fact you can make the argument that the most impactful injury the eagles had all season was to a rookie fifth rounder
I'd say the most impactful injury was Vick.
yes
It really goes to show just how fortunate the Eagles actually were when it came to injuries this year, because it's not very often that teams can even survive, much less improve after the starting QB gets hurt.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 23, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
Facetiousness aside, if you don't count Maclin I think you're right. The difference is that I do count Maclin, and I think he was a bigger loss than you do. I actually think he's the best all-around receiver on the team, and I think he opens even more up for Jackson as the big play threat. It's not like there was a lot behind him to make up for that. Even though Cooper came up big by Cooper standards, he's still Cooper. That's my main point.
im not saying macklin sucks or anything i just dont think he worth any additional wins....hes a nominal player....trust me i would have rather had mack on the team but i could counter all you said by saying that riley kkkooper replaced him and that pimp had his best year ever...i completely agree with you on the depth aspect...the thing macks absence did most was push jason avant into getting way too many snaps
all thats not even the point tho....if you graded their injury year 2013 its an A+ even with mack getting hurt and i cant see them being this fortunate again next year....but maybe the magic smoothies really work
That's what I was about to say. Did Chip's new approach to conditioning and practices have an effect? The sample is too small to go over, and there's far too many variables. Hey, whatever worked last year, keep it going.
IGY is definitely underestimating Smoothie Magic and how it helps prevent injuries.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2014, 10:30:46 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on January 23, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
Facetiousness aside, if you don't count Maclin I think you're right. The difference is that I do count Maclin, and I think he was a bigger loss than you do. I actually think he's the best all-around receiver on the team, and I think he opens even more up for Jackson as the big play threat. It's not like there was a lot behind him to make up for that. Even though Cooper came up big by Cooper standards, he's still Cooper. That's my main point.
im not saying macklin sucks or anything i just dont think he worth any additional wins....hes a nominal player....trust me i would have rather had mack on the team but i could counter all you said by saying that riley kkkooper replaced him and that pimp had his best year ever...i completely agree with you on the depth aspect...the thing macks absence did most was push jason avant into getting way too many snaps
all thats not even the point tho....if you graded their injury year 2013 its an A+ even with mack getting hurt and i cant see them being this fortunate again next year....but maybe the magic smoothies really work
Desean's play is completely contingent on the WR opposite him? No...like you said, his game is speed. The WR opposite just has to play well enough the opposing defenses can't focus only on Pimp, which idiot kkkooper did; however, having Maclin might have been enough for the Eagles to beat the Saints
i didnt say pimp depended on the guy across from him zan did
altho i dont care who you are if you have a stud wr across from you its going to help.....my point is that mack is not that guy....hes better than kkk but hes not getting extra attention in the opposition secondary meetings
I doubt that's true...Maclin runs a 4.45 40 and Pimp's is 4.35. Maclin is far better (and faster) than you give him credit for.
i think maclin is soft as hell, i wouldn't mind upgrading him at all
I agree but if it comes down to it they have other more pressing needs that have to be addressed before WR.
If they can get say TJ Ward and a pass rusher... I'll throw Orakpos name out there...then they free up their 1st to take a WR.
still got a long way to go but if kelvin benjamin is at their spot i cant imagine anyone else being a better pick at 22....im definitely a best player on the board guy....theres exceptions....if jason peters was 22 you wouldnt take an OT this year for example but as a whole im nine times out of ten taking the best guy on my board...and i think the eagles brass feels the same way if the zach ertz and matt barkley picks are any indication
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 24, 2014, 09:45:25 AM
I doubt that's true...Maclin runs a 4.45 40 and Pimp's is 4.35. Maclin is far better (and faster) than you give him credit for.
i dont really care about 40 times in a players 6th season....pimp is one of the fastest players in the league if not the fastest and mack gets the other teams #2 corner and no safety help...thats it thats the story
mack is a good productive wr who i would welcome back with open arms but like sunny said its a prime position to be upgraded....especially him coming off the exploded knee
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 23, 2014, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2014, 10:30:46 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on January 23, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
Facetiousness aside, if you don't count Maclin I think you're right. The difference is that I do count Maclin, and I think he was a bigger loss than you do. I actually think he's the best all-around receiver on the team, and I think he opens even more up for Jackson as the big play threat. It's not like there was a lot behind him to make up for that. Even though Cooper came up big by Cooper standards, he's still Cooper. That's my main point.
im not saying macklin sucks or anything i just dont think he worth any additional wins....hes a nominal player....trust me i would have rather had mack on the team but i could counter all you said by saying that riley kkkooper replaced him and that pimp had his best year ever...i completely agree with you on the depth aspect...the thing macks absence did most was push jason avant into getting way too many snaps
all thats not even the point tho....if you graded their injury year 2013 its an A+ even with mack getting hurt and i cant see them being this fortunate again next year....but maybe the magic smoothies really work
Desean's play is completely contingent on the WR opposite him? No...like you said, his game is speed. The WR opposite just has to play well enough the opposing defenses can't focus only on Pimp, which idiot kkkooper did; however, having Maclin might have been enough for the Eagles to beat the Saints
This. Maclin doesn't drop the pass that Cooper did right in his numbers.
http://www.komu.com/news/maclin-drops-fourth-down-pass-in-career-high-game/
DAMN! That was quick. Ok. You got me, maybe he would have dropped it.
Kelly is the reason Pimp had his best year. Kelly is also the reason Shady had his best year.
Meh...I think Pimp is the reason Jackson had his best year and Shady is the reason McCoy had his
I was being sarcastic because that's what Kelly would do.
ap coach of the year
1. ron rivera
2. andy
3. the hoody
4. chipper
Hoody & Rivera were the 2 at the top of my list. 1 & 1a, so either could have won and been fine in my book. Hell, I wouldn't complain if Chip got it either. Reid's season was a mirage. They only won 1 game all season against playoff teams (Eagles)...or teams that finished above .500 for that matter. He greatly benefitted from probably the weakest non-divisional schedule in the league.
i would take andy and chipper both out for that same reason...especially andy cause he came into an excellent talent base
hoody to me should have gotten it...what he did with that team was pretty amazing
Eagles def had a favorable schedule, especially considering they caught some injury breaks by not facing Rodgers, gimpy RG3, Reggie Bush hurting himself just before kickoff, etc, etc.
The 3 reasons I'd say Chip deserves consideration are:
1. He didn't inherit much talent, especially on defense.
2. His opening day starter was injured by week 5 I think. Very few teams overcome the loss of their starter without a veteran backup.
3. Never coached a day in the league before.
Reid did what you'd expect him to do. He took a team with excellent individual talent and got them on the same page. He brought stability to the QB position and he won a lot of games against less talented teams. Oh, and he farged up a perfectly good season with terrible clock management and play calling at the end.
On the plus side, none of his kids offed themselves this year, so maybe he finally snags that coveted Dad of the Year award.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 02, 2014, 02:29:26 PM
Eagles def had a favorable schedule, especially considering they caught some injury breaks by not facing Rodgers, gimpy RG3, Reggie Bush hurting himself just before kickoff, etc, etc.
The 3 reasons I'd say Chip deserves consideration are:
1. He didn't inherit much talent, especially on defense.
2. His opening day starter was injured by week 5 I think. Very few teams overcome the loss of their starter without a veteran backup.
3. Never coached a day in the league before.
Reid did what you'd expect him to do. He took a team with excellent individual talent and got them on the same page. He brought stability to the QB position and he won a lot of games against less talented teams. Oh, and he farged up a perfectly good season with terrible clock management and play calling at the end.
On the plus side, none of his kids offed themselves this year, so maybe he finally snags that coveted Dad of the Year award.
Tony Dungy wins Dad of the year, every year, for eternity, in our land of illusions.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/09/chip-kelly-gets-pragmatic-about-the-draft/
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 10:52:24 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/09/chip-kelly-gets-pragmatic-about-the-draft/
I also thought it was refreshing when he said there were six guys he wanted at 22 but they were all gone. None of the usual crap about how the main guy they were targeting just happened to fall into their hands and they couldn't believe their luck, etc.
He said he's not averse to taking another wideout tomorrow too bc there's so many of them
https://vine.co/v/MgJt2EOFQhu
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http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=263903251
QuoteKelly also re-signed Cooper this offseason. But it's clear the roster is light on prima donnas (if there are any at all) and lightning-rod superstars and heavy on gym rats and all-effort guys.
somewhere in the comfy, white-bred suburbs of maryland, a government worker's head just exploded
lolol
Quote from: MDS on June 19, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
QuoteKelly also re-signed Cooper this offseason. But it's clear the roster is light on prima donnas (if there are any at all) and lightning-rod superstars and heavy on gym rats and all-effort guys.
somewhere in the comfy, white-bred suburbs of maryland, a government worker's head just exploded
that quote reminded me of Reid in a negative way about trying to acquire hard working "fastballs."
That being said, Kelly at least puts a premium on athleticism and height/weight combos.
im not sure if havin your head coach break down tape on your website is a normal thing in the nfl or not....i suspect it isnt...kudos to the team and chipper for these...they are awesome...
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/All-22-Playbook-Analysis-With-Chip-Kelly/b34addff-9e40-4b8d-8c19-294b8072f676
can they just get to the chip parts, i dont want to sit through 20 minutes of baldingers finger and ike reese attempting to talk
really nice listen....
http://www.podcastone.com/pg/jsp/program/episode.jsp?programID=583&pid=425691#.U9bqAfuZ3RE.twitter
I would say amazing instead of nice. I'm amazed that I got through the first five minutes of this guy making me sleepy and angry.
kinda interesting...
http://grantland.com/features/chip-kelly-philadelphia-eagles-nfl-influence/
http://zippy.gfycat.com/ImpressiveGreatCricket.webm
i laughed. Didn't see that coming
for now well just say mama was real real bad....she was bein mean to dad and made him real real mad
that was a nimble little dive by chipper. also did not see that coming.
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/BvfSyJWIUAANyqy.mp4
This ALS charity nonsense has gotten out of control.
(http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/chip-ice-bucket.gif)
hahaha thats farging awesome.
I'm just waiting for the study that shows that ice water on the skull is a driving factor in contracting ALS.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 21, 2014, 08:56:24 AM
I'm just waiting for the study that shows that ice water on the skull is a driving factor in contracting ALS.
if they do show a link i hope its a fast acting killing machine strain of als...like ebola
Chip brings in college professors for new ideas (http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-philadelphia-eagles-secret-coaches-professors-1410890601?tesla=y&mg=reno64-wsj)
QuoteKelly, in his second NFL season after a revolutionary run at the University of Oregon, has made academics as much a part of the team as the long snapper. He leans on them all off-season for new ideas and has them on speed dial when he needs a quick fix, according to those who have interacted with the Eagles coach.
"Chip says, 'This guy, with his social sciences or psychology or statistical model or his understanding of African-American history, let's bring him in and see if there's even one idea or one sentence that is a piece of trying to get done what I'm trying to accomplish,' " said Harry Edwards, a professor emeritus at the University of California-Berkeley and expert on race relations who has advised Kelly. "He is always searching for the missing piece and he realizes it could be a piece you can't find in the athletic arena."
Kelly is so devoted to the idea that one of his top lieutenants told professors that Kelly's goal is to have a sort of academic conference, where Kelly is essentially the only beneficiary. (Imagine, if you'd like to laugh, a TED Talk with Kelly as the only audience member.)
Lots of NFL teams bring in outsiders, but mostly to help with things like motivation or provide a PR boost. These may be ex-players or coaches, or a famous athlete from another sport. They don't bring in K. Anders Ericsson, a University of Stockholm graduate who is an eminent scholar in Florida State University's cognitive psychology department. The Eagles did.
Ericsson was called in by the Eagles this summer to discuss one of his specialties—expert performance. He has a fairly typical story for an expert conscripted to advise the Eagles.
He first met personally with coaches. That is where he learned that the trait they prize in players is the ability to verbally articulate game situations, which they feel leads to better conversations about game situations and eventually a better team. Ericsson then addressed the entire staff in a 90-minute session in which Kelly tried to get to the heart of the matter. Kelly wanted Ericsson to understand the basic training methods of the Eagles, then ask of the professor, "What could be done differently?"
Ericsson's answer is tied to another Kelly secret. The Eagles use memory devices to get players to memorize formations. Safety Malcolm Jenkins said that during meetings, coaches will show an opponent's formation on a screen, and players will attempt to remember it and yell the play call they would use against it. Then, Jenkins said, snapping his fingers, "They start to flash it quicker and quicker. There's less time to process. And so you build those same cognitive skills where it's the same as getting a mental rep on the field."
Ericsson thought this a noble effort, but in his opinion, it wasn't enough. He recommended that the situations be harder to understand—to go beyond the formations and "get them to respond to video clips of more complex scenarios instead of simple, fast recognitions," he said. "You want to encourage players to be more analytical and open them up to more feedback on what they aren't paying attention to."
What, exactly, Kelly took from these meetings isn't yet clear. He declined to speak on the matter, as did a team spokesman and Kelly's chief of staff, James Harris, who is in charge of the program, which Ericsson said features "weekly seminars to stimulate thinking." While Kelly was at Oregon, it was reported that he worked with one of the school's statistics professors. When asked if he would expand his network to engineering professors, Kelly said, "I'd love to get with those guys." Kelly hasn't spoken about it since.
QuoteEagles are now 3-5 under Chip Kelly when trailing by at least 14 pts at any point in any game. in 14 years under Andy Reid, Eagles were 2-47 in such games
Chip has been a really outstanding hire. I love out of the box thinking. The sports science and all of the different things he does are refreshing when compared to the usual song and dance of NFL coaches.
He's got his blind spots though...namely the "plug and play" at WR thing.
What were the two wins under Andy? Miracle II and.....?
Oooh good question....
GB Monday Nighter when Pinky scored in the rain?
foles had a big comeback down in tampa but i dont know if it was exactly 14 or more
ah, found it. The game at KC in 2005
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 16, 2014, 02:57:42 PM
What were the two wins under Andy? Miracle II and.....?
They were down like 28 to KC I think in 2005 and came back and somehow won
Quote from: SD on September 16, 2014, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 16, 2014, 02:57:42 PM
What were the two wins under Andy? Miracle II and.....?
They were down like 28 to KC I think in 2005 and came back and somehow won
Wasn't nearly that bad. They were down 17 at the half, which was the biggest halftime lead the Chiefs ever blew at Arrowhead (to lose a game). Chuggie and I were there and so was Demon and Phanatic. I remember LJ Smith had a TD and did some stupid celebration where he was shooting fake arrows with a fake bow.....or something like that. I think Sheldon Brown had a pick 6.....or a pick with a big return.
todd france was the kicker that game
todd france
That's when Akers was out with a torn hammy that he suffered in the OAK game, right? When that dipshtein Missinelli went after him on a WIP interview for being a wimp. True class act, that Mikey Miss.
Simoneau had to kick too
in a town full of a funholey radio guys, mikey miss takes the cake
good lord what a greasy talentless wop
I'm still amazed at that Andy Reid 2-47 stat.
As above average as Andy's teams got, twice a year they got blown the farg out.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 17, 2014, 09:25:44 AM
I'm still amazed at that Andy Reid 2-47 stat.
its more on a donovan stat
A loooong read on Chip
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Philadelphia_Eagles_Chip_Kelly_Profile.html
printed and off to the shteinter i go
Page 2:
QuoteKelly doesn't just text or call his buddies. He shows up. According to the Oregonian newspaper, he flew back to New Hampshire twice just in early May of 2012, during the off-season of his last year in Oregon.
The first was for UNH's Blue-White Game, during which locals acknowledged his presence with a hello and a knowing wave and afterward he provided McDonnell with a spot-on and solicited analysis of where the Wildcats can improve. (Go figure – Kelly said they weren't playing fast enough.) The second time was for a funeral of a local high school coach – Kelly postponed a scheduled safari in Africa to be there.
Page 5:
QuoteHe had another exciting vacation scheduled in 2012, an African safari, but canceled the trip to attend a New Hampshire coach's funeral.
Cancelled Africa trip in 2012....Got it, thanks....
The most interesting thing from that article is that Chip is banging some young hottie when everyone thought he was gay
who is everyone
http://blog.seattlepi.com/oregonsportsnews/2014/09/25/hate-the-nfl-root-for-chip-kelly/
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2014, 02:12:56 PM
http://blog.seattlepi.com/oregonsportsnews/2014/09/25/hate-the-nfl-root-for-chip-kelly/
QuoteThat's also the reason Steve Buschatti and Dan Snyder will continue to say and do whatever they want.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 24, 2014, 09:57:11 PM
A loooong read on Chip
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Philadelphia_Eagles_Chip_Kelly_Profile.html
Good read except for the author's insistence on tying everything back to farging New Hampshire. Jesus.
I've never been there. You?
They have state stores. Fail.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 25, 2014, 07:06:46 PM
I've never been there. You?
I lived in Mass for years. I've been to NH many times. It's a fine pace. Good beer. But to tie every aspect of Chip farging Kelly's personality to New Hampshire smacks of a lazy writer looking for some contrived device to hold his story together. Lame.
A long, boring puff piece had some kind of dumb, hidden agenda? I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to the editor!
The dude has some New Hampshire pride!
Not too many people or things come from there so he's fired up for some relevancy!
new hampshire isnt even new anymore
get over it
An article from August about how Chip uses the OODA Loop
http://www.ericgardner.net/chip-kelly-revolutionized-nfl-ooda-loop/
QuoteJohn Boyd was born on January 23, 1927 in Erie, PA. Blessed with an athletic build, steel jaw and close-cropped hair, Boyd looked like a fighter pilot—which is exactly what he became. He never saw much combat and flew just 22 missions in the Korean War, but had more impact than perhaps any person on the art and science of aerial combat. At the age of 33, Boyd published "An Aerial Attack Study", a brief that upended the conventional wisdom of air combat. According to the commendation he received after winning the Legion of Merit for the work, it was the "first instance in the history of fighter aviation in which tactics have been reduced to an objective state."
"An Aerial Attack Study" became the fighter pilot manual for nearly every air force in NATO. Boyd's biggest breakthrough was that if you knew the enemy's position and velocity, you could calculate every possible move and every possible counter for an opposing fighter pilot. This meant a skilled fighter could "outmaneuver" a missile (something thought impossible) if they could orientate themselves to the situation.
For most people, this would be a defining achievement, For Boyd, it turned out to be a footnote in his career. He spent the next decade fixated on the possibility he was revolutionizing warfare. It became clear to him that throughout history, it wasn't the best equipment or the number of soldiers that defined a Great General, but rather their ability to quickly adapt and out-maneuver an enemy. The German blitzkrieg wasn't about speed; it was about cohesiveness. Nearly every spare moment was spent pondering and articulating his ideas. According to Air Force legend, he once devoured two eggs, two pieces of toast, ham, and a cup of coffee in twenty-two seconds—just so he could get back to work.
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Conflict, Boyd argues, is a matter of "observation-orientation-decision-action cycles," (commonly called OODA Loop) which each contending commander consistently repeats. First, the commander observes – not only with his eyes and ears but with his radar, reconnaissance, etc. He orients – that is, he forms a mental picture of his relationship to his opponent. On the basis of this picture, he determines a course of action – he decides. He acts. Then he begins observing again, to see the effect of his action.
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In Boyd's view, conflict was just a series of decision loops. In warfare, these decisions are made instantaneously, and multiple loops happen at a time (a commander must keep track of all levels of the conflict: infantry, air, artillery, etc.). Football provides the perfect antidote for the madness of warfare. The game is broken up into plays, and each play is an opportunity for coaches and players to apply the OODA Loop. When Peyton Manning comes under center and sends a man in motion, he is observing the defense's play call. If no one follows the WR, he knows the defense is playing zone. Given this observation, Manning orientates himself to the situation, and may choose to call one of 10,000 audibles to get his team in a better position. Every player on the field and coach on the sideline is going through the same thought process.
In his Grantland piece, Brown describes the impact of Chip Kelly's use of unbalanced offensive lines on NFL defenses. A typical offensive line is balanced with a center in the middle and a guard and tackle on each side; a common unbalanced line will move a tackle to one side. This makes one side of the offense perfect for running and one side perfect for passing. Teams typically do not make a habit of running unbalanced sets, because they can be exploited by flooding the weaker side with defenders. Brown explains the impact of combining an unbalanced line with a rapid pace. "The 11 defenders on the field need to be able to identify the unbalanced set and call the right adjustments, on the fly, at a super-fast tempo, while worrying about 50 other things."
In short, by rapidly unleashing an unbalanced line, Kelly's offense wreaks havoc on the defenders' ability to Observe, Orientate, Decide and take Action.
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For all of this tactical openness, one thing Kelly won't talk about is how he communicates to his players. It's his secret sauce, the key to his offense. To this day, the specifics are unknown, but when you put it in the context of the OODA Loop, the philosophy becomes obvious.
On a superficial level, the OODA Loop is about speed; those who process the loop the quickest win the battle. The dogfighting pilot with the quickest decisions will gain an advantage over time and outwit his opponent. Kelly's rapid pace will unglue defenses. But what if the decisions are based off of false perceptions? What if they fail to observe and orient themselves? If that's the case, they run the risk of rapidly executing the wrong direction.
Boyd found the answer, and it explains Kelly's approach. The more he researched the German blitzkrieg, the more Boyd realized it was the army's ability to orientate itself. He stumbled upon the German concepts of Schwerpunkt and Fingerspitzengefuhl.
Author Robert Coram explains:
Neither translates well. Schwerpunkt means the main focus of effort. On a deeper reading it is the underlying goal, the glue that holds together various units. Fingerspitzengefuhl means a fingertip feel. Again, the fuller meaning applies to a leader's instinctive and intuitive sense of what is going on or what is needed in a battle or, for that matter, in any conflict.
Boyd learned that when Nazi tanks entered France, they did not have specific hills or cities to control. Rather, they knew their leader's intent and were free to improvise a solution. If you aren't constantly rechecking and orientating with a central commander, you are free to operate at a rapid pace. Kelly's communication system is essentially the same idea. "Instead of trying to outscheme your opponent, put your players in an environment where they can be successful because they understand exactly what they have to do.
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The Art of War represents Chip Kelly and how football will be played in the future. Written around 400 B.C. by Chinese general Sun Tzu, the work stresses speed, deception and unpredictability as the deciding factors of war. Sun Tzu's goal was to win the battle before the war is even fought. Secret attacks and misdirection were just as important as winning the big battles. In fact, if you confused the opponent enough, big battles weren't even necessary. "Early in a game, we want to show things we saw on film and watch the defensive adjustments." Kelly's protégée Mark Helfrich told a coaching clinic in 2013.
That is Kelly's philosophy in a nutshell. He isn't interested in his teams fighting battles. He's interested in creating an organization that orientates itself to a situation so seamlessly that the war has been fought before it even started. Speed is just an afterthought.
Damn thats pretty hardcore for an NFL coach
Oh and he visited Cruz in the hospital Monday. The funholey NY DN should front page that shtein
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 17, 2014, 04:48:31 PM
The funholey NY DN should front page that shtein
They will, but it will lob accusations of tampering.
chip revolutionized the nfl into the eagles having the 9th best offense in the league....seems earth shattering to me
or has he done it but he refuses to get better talent so that he can have the best offense in the league every year?
frigy at it again
the eagles are 5-1 BUT ITS NOT GOOD ENUF1111111 !
REVOLUTION!!
seattle just cut their best wr because hes a pain in the ass
culture > scheme
CHIP
he also was the super bowl mvp
white people unite!
Seattle would have won the SB without him
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2014, 04:01:17 AM
he also was the super bowl mvp
white people unite!
No.
He doesn't wear 53 or play LB
doug baldwin and ricardo lockett aint gonna get it done
riley kkk > pimp
Paul Richardson could be the guy...he's fast as hell
clearly this ice grillin you fellow knows more about EVERYTHING than everyone else
how dont you know this yet?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 19, 2014, 11:50:12 AM
Paul Richardson could be the guy...he's fast as hell
desean jackson could be the guy hes fast as hell
He's gone. Let it go.
igy be trippin' on his estrogen flow.
chip kelly is now 3-8 against teams .500 or above and one of those wins was against an 8-7-1 packer team quarterbacked by scott tolzien
QuoteEagles and Chiefs are both 7-3.
Chip Kelly's offense has run the ball on 40.9% of plays.
Andy Reid's offense is at 50.5%.
my man....
"I don't believe in trap games."
Interesting....
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 16, 2013, 04:30:19 PM
The search is over, time for a new thread.
Also, there's this glowing report (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/0ap1000000122162/article/philadelphia-eagles-hire-of-chip-kelly-could-be-worst-in-nfl-history?campaign=Twitter_writers_evans) from NFL.com
Where Heath Evans was wrong:
QuoteNow that the Philadelphia Eagles have reeled in perhaps the biggest fish on the coaching market, I am going on the record calling Chip Kelly one of the worst hires in pro football history.
Yes, worse than Steve Spurrier, the old ball coach who is one of college football's top offensive minds ever but who failed miserably in the NFL, going 12-20 in two seasons with the Washington taterskins (2002-03). Kelly, too, is a dynamic college head coach, but what he's about to bring to the NFL simply won't work.
Where Heath Evans may have been right, or at least on to something:
QuoteIf we've learned one thing this season in the NFL, it's that you can't expose your franchise quarterback to vicious and violent hits. I'm sure the RG3 phenomenon is adding to the Chip Kelly hype but Robert Griffin III was knocked out of a game three times -- once by concussion, once from a brutal hit from Baltimore Ravens nose tackle Haloti Ngata, and a final time in the playoffs that required surgery and puts his NFL future in jeopardy.
Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota carried the ball 106 times in 13 games for Kelly this season. Overall, Oregon quarterbacks have rushed the ball 464 times in Kelly's four seasons with the Ducks. I'm not sure he can maintain that in the NFL against much bigger, quicker and faster defensive players without losing a quarterback -- be it Michael Vick, Nick Foles, Geno Smith or anyone else -- to injury for a significant amount of time.
The game is constantly changing in small ways, but the basis of championship football will always be physical and mental toughness in the NFL, not gadget offensive schemes. When Kelly and his Oregon squads faced physically tough and defensively sound teams, they did not fare well.
And there was this:
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 17, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
I like hockey more than I like Chip Kelly.
Ok, so I definitely like Chipper more than I like hockey. In fact, I'll go so far as to say I don't hate him. He still gots work to do though.
It's certainly not a gadget offense, which is why Evans is full of it.
Whether he has the players to beat elite defenses is a different question but at this point it's pretty clear that Kelly's scheme isn't based on gadgets or tricks.
he def doesnt have the players...i have two fears one big picture and one small picture....big picture is my fear that he doesnt think he needs great players to win with the chipstem...small picture is that he goes out and gets the necessary weapons (including a qb) but by then the offensive line has broken down
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 21, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
he def doesnt have the players...i have two fears one big picture and one small picture....big picture is my fear that he doesnt think he needs great players to win with the chipstem
Same fear, but I slowly think he's getting it. The look on his face during the GB game was all I needed to see. From everything we've heard he had a good game plan, they had a great week of practice etc. Then they get steamrolled. Think that was the first time he was humbled and couldn't coach/think his way to be competitive in a game.
Quote from: SD on November 21, 2014, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 21, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
he def doesnt have the players...i have two fears one big picture and one small picture....big picture is my fear that he doesnt think he needs great players to win with the chipstem
Same fear, but I slowly think he's getting it. The look on his face during the GB game was all I needed to see. From everything we've heard he had a good game plan, they had a great week of practice etc. Then they get steamrolled. Think that was the first time he was humbled and couldn't coach/think his way to be competitive in a game.
his philosophy might also fall somewhere in between
he knows he needs the qb but hes fine without elite weapons
in conclusion we have no idea what he thinks yet
we know he's not bringing anyone in who isnt a christian black or hipster white
culture!
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QuoteFormer Oregon Ducks defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti said on Monday that he's been contacted by NFC East teams that want hire him as a consultant to help them solve the Philadelphia Eagles' offense.
Not an NFC East team --- every one of the NFC East teams.
"I have been asked by everybody in the NFC East..." the retired Aliotti said on Monday. "The Giants asked me to come back when Chip got the first job. I didn't feel right doing that. Some teams have called when they're getting ready to play the Eagles and they call and have certain questions on the thing. Unless I know the guy and he's a good friend, I don't get involved with that."
Rumors out there that the University of Florida will be calling
Stay away, Gators.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2014, 02:28:11 PM
Rumors out there that the University of Florida will be calling
Stay away, Gators.
Some "insider" was being interviewed by the local sports radio station and he was asked about this, and his answer was that Kelly loves the NFL lifestyle and that there was no way he wants to go.
Couldn't tell you who the guy is, and I'm sure his opinion doesn't matter anyway.
Why would Kelly want to go back to dealing the the NCAA and to begging children for commitments?
Dump trucks of money and better job security are pretty good motivators.
I doubt Lurie would let him go.
He'd probably let him bang his new young Asian wifey to keep him here
Better job security? Don't they fire coaches in college football all the time, too?
And what, he's not getting enough money from the Eagles?
I have a hard time seeing what's so great about it. I guess you can set yourself up as King of some podunk college fargtown for a while, but that's boring and lazy. And not necessarily secure.
i love when this comes up....loser small time, small town college football dorks peaking there heads up to the big show
nobody leaves an nfl job that they're very good at and very well paid at to go jetting around the south to convince 16 year old doofus teenagers to come play for you. nobody.
this is another case of some nutjob rich booster in florida thinking the world revolves around the sec and his stupid college team. newsflash. the world revolves the nfl. chip is in the nfl. his team is 9-3. stop.
Pretty much.
Behind the scenes Chip will egg on these rumors as soon as he thinks he should get a new contract from the Eagles.
chip is watching tape and texting his agent
he is the furthest thing from a media/money player.
whether he is or isn't; who cares, pay him.
hes getting paid a ton...only beneath 3 guys who have rings.
http://coacheshotseat.com/NFLCoachesSalaries.htm
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2014, 07:38:34 PM
this is another case of some nutjob rich booster in florida thinking the world revolves around the sec and his stupid college team. newsflash. the world revolves the nfl. chip is in the nfl. his team is 9-3. stop.
Right on Todd! This x 1 gazillion. Brass Balls ain't going anywhere.
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2014, 07:38:34 PM
i love when this comes up....loser small time, small town college football dorks peaking there heads up to the big show
nobody leaves an nfl job that they're very good at and very well paid at to go jetting around the south to convince 16 year old doofus teenagers to come play for you. nobody.
this is another case of some nutjob rich booster in florida thinking the world revolves around the sec and his stupid college team. newsflash. the world revolves the nfl. chip is in the nfl. his team is 9-3. stop.
Yes^
All you have to do is look at the crappy ratings that college football got on Thanksgiving when they, for some reason, were dumb enough to go head to head with the NFL.
College is a step (or several) back for Kelly. No chance he returns. None, zip, nada.
I really think the only way he returns to college is after he wins proves himself at this level, hopefully with a SB win. Just seems to be his makeup that he wants to prove the doubters wrong in every facet of his life.
Quote from: shorebird on December 02, 2014, 07:24:22 AM
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2014, 07:38:34 PM
i love when this comes up....loser small time, small town college football dorks peaking there heads up to the big show
nobody leaves an nfl job that they're very good at and very well paid at to go jetting around the south to convince 16 year old doofus teenagers to come play for you. nobody.
this is another case of some nutjob rich booster in florida thinking the world revolves around the sec and his stupid college team. newsflash. the world revolves the nfl. chip is in the nfl. his team is 9-3. stop.
Yes^
All you have to do is look at the crappy ratings that college football got on Thanksgiving when they, for some reason, were dumb enough to go head to head with the NFL.
i love it when shore sites ratings, but the specifics of thanksgiving dont really matter
a better gauge would be the national championship (25 mil) vs. various random nfl regular season games (30 mil+)
The specifics of Thanksgiving? Ohhkay then.
Quote from: Rome on December 02, 2014, 07:30:35 AM
College is a step (or several) back for Kelly. No chance he returns. None, zip, nada.
False...he'll be at Georgia by the end of next year
I shore as hell hope not. Call me a homer but it looks like he's the best thing to happen to the Eagles in my lifetime. I think he'll go down in history as the best coach this team has ever had by far.
Quote"Florida hasn't contacted me, and if they did, I wouldn't listen. It's false. I think false things are silly."
Oh yeah, Coach Liar? Then how come every play starts with a fake handoff to McCoy?
man i love some of the predictions in the beginning of this thread.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2013, 09:42:21 AM
reese actually deduces and comes up with his honest opinion....unfortunately its always wrong
HoF
Quote from: shorebird on December 02, 2014, 07:24:22 AM
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2014, 07:38:34 PM
i love when this comes up....loser small time, small town college football dorks peaking there heads up to the big show
nobody leaves an nfl job that they're very good at and very well paid at to go jetting around the south to convince 16 year old doofus teenagers to come play for you. nobody.
this is another case of some nutjob rich booster in florida thinking the world revolves around the sec and his stupid college team. newsflash. the world revolves the nfl. chip is in the nfl. his team is 9-3. stop.
Yes^
All you have to do is look at the crappy ratings that college football got on Thanksgiving when they, for some reason, were dumb enough to go head to head with the NFL.
Exactly. WTF was with that stupid move by the NCAA? Going up Birds/Cowboys and Seattle/SF? Hello!
mcelwain to florida.....chip stays an eagle
whew, that was a close one.
Florida obviously soured on Chip.
Chip on why he wasn't interested in Florida: "I don't think our pro offense would work at the college level."
ha!
that was actually a justin klugh line....chip gaffled it
God damn it! I had so much money riding on Chip going!
who the hell is Justin Klugh?
sports writer
Never heard of him - he must suck
chips stealing his lines...he cant be that bad
Good point...he better be careful or else Old Man Bowen will pimp slap him. Les is territorial.
I"M ON THE HOMER TRAIN BABY WOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOO!
13-3 THAT'S RIGHT
PLAYOFF BYE
2 PLAYOFF WINS AND A SUPERBOWL TROPHY!
ha ha ha I'm drunk
does anybody care about this
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20141207_Widener_crushed_in_playoff_quarterfinal__coach_rips_Chip_Kelly.html
i covered this game and didnt bother mentioning it because i didnt think it was important. the game was (kinda?). plus he didnt appear to be all that serious. also the author looked like a farging jew...much more so than me...so there's that.
Widener coach is a whiney bitch. Your team gets crushed you take responsibility like a man.
Quote"Make sure you put in the paper that we thank Chip Kelly and I hope the Seahawks do well tomorrow," Widener coach Mike Kelly said. "He was helping them out. Maybe somebody in Philadelphia ought to buy him a map so he knows where he lives now. But, go Seahawks."
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20141207_Widener_crushed_in_playoff_quarterfinal__coach_rips_Chip_Kelly.html#FEb3dl1fyeFhpZ7W.99
farg this guy
Lol what a crybaby
its too late to stop it now, but he wasnt really serious when he said that shtein
jewface inqy writer saw a "story" and jumped on it. journalism 2014.
That bullshtein shouldn't even be a footnote at the bottom of an article, let alone an article by itself.
Pretty sure that Wisconsin-Whitewater team is in the DIII championship like every other year. They and Wesley would play each other in the playoffs a lot like 10 years ago, or at least it seemed like it.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 07, 2014, 12:14:34 PM
That bullshtein shouldn't even be a footnote at the bottom of an article, let alone an article by itself.
you just inadvertently gave me a compliment, whitie
I'm still hung over from the weekend.
Why do the football gods hate us?
Because you touch yourself. And all those forest critters.
Quote from: MDS on December 07, 2014, 12:02:25 PM
but he wasnt really serious when he said that shtein
yes he was
you were there, of course you know.
Quote from: MDS on December 10, 2014, 12:56:57 PM
you were there, of course you know.
were you there ?
the kidding part is coming from one place...the widner coach himself....after 24 hours of being ripped to shreds by everyone he came out yesterday and said he was half kidding....sure you were buddy
you dont have to have been there to know he was pissed off and dead serious...and eveyone who was there knows he was serious
again, i was there. i was covering the game. i had done a widener game previously and talked to the coach...i knew what kind of guy he was.
it was basically a "do you believe the balls on this guy" joe pesci in goodfellas type deal. just comically ranting to get a laugh. it wasnt real serious. its not a big deal.
end discussion on glorified high school coach
And that is why coaches and players don't say shtein other than cliche responses....because the media twists it up
he wasnt kidding but WHO GIVES A farg ?
Todd was there
Then how come nobody can verify he was there, huh?
can anyone verify i actually exist?
Something something long form something Temple diploma.
Quote from: MDS on December 10, 2014, 03:13:09 PM
can anyone verify i actually exist?
Yes. Before we made up I was stalking you.
massive homer rooben frank just murdering chip on the pulse right now
honeymoon is over
also peter king....
QuoteChip Kelly Wisdom of the Week
This column section is being retired, mercifully, after the Eagles, who controlled the NFC East 15 mornings ago, lost their third straight game, committed 13 penalties, and had their 34th and 35th turnovers of the year.
Not saying Kelly has lost his touch, or his football brain. But his team is just too careless. The Eagles have had two fumble-free games all season. They've had 197 penalty yards marked off in the two biggest games of the year the last two weeks.
first eagles coach since marion campbell not to make it to the second round of the playoffs in his first two seasons with the team
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 22, 2014, 10:16:11 AM
first eagles coach since marion campbell not to make it to the second round of the playoffs in his first two seasons with the team
Buddy never made it to the second round of the playoffs. He didn't make the playoffs his first two seasons. Actually he was under .500.
Buddy made it to the second round in his third season. Of course he did that not by winning a WC matchup but by earning a bye with a 10-6 team. To show you how luck based that was, the Eagles might go 10-6 this season.
Based on that, Chip might be the worst Eagles coach since Buddy. Chip would probably do more if he had Randall Cunningham and Eric Allen instead of Sanchez and Fletcher though.
if the upcoming draft doesnt produce something this team is farged.
marcus farging smith
How acute is the self-loathing among some of you that you seem to be actively cheering AGAINST this guy?
And by some of you I'm talking to Havas.
Quote from: Rome on December 22, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
How acute is the self-loathing among some of you that you seem to be actively cheering AGAINST this guy?
And by some of you I'm talking to Havas.
awaiting the "you're an old white homer" response in 3...2....1
Quote from: Rome on December 22, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
How acute is the self-loathing among some of you that you seem to be actively cheering AGAINST this guy?
And by some of you I'm talking to Havas.
why would I root against him?....I just don't hero worship people like you and a lot of other people do simply because they coach my favorite team....cant say I wasn't a little giddy at pimp daggering him....I mean I wished he had zero catches but if they are gonna lose im glad they lost with pimp urinating all over chip if only because hopefully it taught him a valuable lesson moving foward
Quote from: Rome on December 22, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
How acute is the self-loathing among some of you that you seem to be actively cheering AGAINST this guy?
And by some of you I'm talking to Havas.
why would I root against him?....I just don't hero worship people like you and a lot of other people do simply because they coach my favorite team....cant say I wasn't a little giddy at pimp daggering him....I mean I wished he had zero catches but if they are gonna lose im glad they lost with pimp urinating all over chip if only because hopefully it taught him a valuable lesson moving foward
could you repeat that ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 22, 2014, 03:15:13 PM
I just don't hero worship people
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dont forget
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"just because they coach my favorite team".....be the head coach of my team and be a farging god then ill blow you all day long
also kevin james is horrible outside of goat koq
The enigma known as 'Ice Grilling You' ladies and gentlemen. You can't not love him.
koq sucks beyond leah remini when she wasnt a BBW.
I would have liked to unload a batch on Leah's face
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 22, 2014, 04:34:12 PM
I would have liked to unload a batch on Leah's face
No one disagrees with that. The only question over which reasonable men might disagree is whether that statement can only be made in the past tense.
Haven't seen her lately but I'd probably still do it
Time hasn't been all that kind, but I don't think I'd say no.
https://twitter.com/boopstats/status/547246395573698560
Great front page
Chip stars in 10 new Tostitos commercials, with an 11th appearing during the Super Bowl
https://www.youtube.com/user/tostitos/videos
salt of the earth culture!
can we end the chip is going back to college talk
this dude loves the celebrity of being an nfl coach.....the egotrip...the name recognition...the POWER....he ain't leaving until they make him
he basically ran away from the media today
i get not submitting for a long feature on his life and shtein...but jesus christ you are an nfl head coach, not the oc at new hampshire.
Settle down, Les Bowen
He's not required to talk to the media at this point. Why should he?
Because Les and the writers says so.
They say " the fans deserve to hear from him" as a way to justify their whining
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2015, 06:38:36 PM
He's not required to talk to the media at this point. Why should he?
hes the gm and coach of an nfl team....stop running away from a bunch of nerd reporters. again youre not coaching new hampshire and their 1 newspaper writer. this is the big boy league.
he just made a power play to get full control of the team, and won. you have a presser, you answer questions and its OVER. but since chip is such a control freak weirdo he's going to drag this thing out until late march when he's required to speak at the winter meetings.
He has no obligation to be at their beckon call and who cares anyway he never says anything remotely interesting
beck and call (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/beck-and-call.html)
Reporters always have this faux outrage 'in the name of the fans' that is obviously self serving because they can't get more crap to write about. So butthurt.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 21, 2015, 07:06:00 AM
beck and call (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/beck-and-call.html)
auto correct (http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/)
eagles fan worship chip almost as much as sixers fan worship hinkie
imagine of either actually accomplished anything
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2015, 09:54:17 AM
eagles fan worship chip almost as much as sixers fan worship hinkie
imagine of either actually accomplished anything
yeah and just imagine if too.
Yo man, step of!
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2015, 09:54:17 AM
eagles fan worship chip almost as much as sixers fan worship hinkie
imagine of either actually accomplished anything
this is so off its hard to believe you even follow these two teams...i dont know anyone that worships hinkie magic....and the national media worships chip as much or more than eagle fans do...altho eagle fans do have complete blind faith in him
also and this goes for both guys....they have been in their respective leagues for less than five years combined....everyone knew hinkie magic was on long term plan and even if you think chip is a genius I cant imagine anyone thought hed win much in his first two years....altho hes a little different in that his team is decent and has made the playoffs so the criticism is more valid in his case
haha - i really do wonder sometimes if he realizes we can read what he posts.
i think you two are being a lil too tough on igy, its not like he started a thread in honor of hinkie named " The Saga of Hinkie Magic and it is Hold on the NBA Continues" or anything.
name one single post that shows I worship hinkie....in fact I have posted ad nauseam that I don't think his plan will work....sounds like hero worship to me
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2015, 03:56:43 PM
name one single post that shows I worship hinkie....in fact I have posted ad nauseam that I don't think his plan will work....sounds like hero worship to me
Show me where Eagles fans worship Chip. Saying something positive (exactly what you do with Hinkie) does not equate hero worship
its cooled somewhat after the collapse this season and horrible offseason so far (its maybe down to lows 90's approval rating).but holy shtein talk to anyone at a tailgate listen to the radio go to sports bars...read a newspaper or a message board....since his debut against the skins last year i would say 97%+ of not just eagle fans but of all media and even many fans of other teams have raved about him as a next level genius....youd have to have lived in a bubble for the past 18 months not to have heard it
I didn't get that impression anywhere...think fans were relieved and optimistic last year and what wasn't there to love?...the guy took a dreadful 4-12 team with little talent and won the east and had a first round playoff game. Most of us thought the guy would win 6 games max season one. Heading into year two there's obvious optimism because the players have a whole nother year in his system. And I didn't know coaches went by approval ratings. He's not the potus. I'd say most fans think he's a fine coach but are cautious/pessimistic with his pp moves. Show me one instance of 'hero worship' from fans. If you starting a thread about Hinkie isn't considered hero worship then optimism over Chip can't be construed as hero worship either.
I'm just hoping that the bubble didn't burst when the Eagles collapsed late in the season.
whatever groundswell of chip hate there was went out the door when he got into a "who's got the biggest knob" contest with howie
nobody voted for howie
Think what you want about Kelly, he has complete control now so win or lose it's all on him.
I'm with geo hoping the bubble didn't burst.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 22, 2015, 07:12:32 PM
I'm just hoping that the bubble didn't burst when the Eagles collapsed late in the season.
Did the Eagles collapse? Or did Mark Sanchez become their QB and they started playing legitimate playoff teams?
Well, that and the secondary remembered that they were the farging worst.
Quote from: MDS on January 23, 2015, 12:51:35 AM
whatever groundswell of chip hate there was went out the door when he got into a "who's got the biggest knob" contest with howie
nobody voted for howie
this is true and why it only went down a tiny bit...but people are stupid...they dont think you can be happy howie is gone but still be deathly afraid of chip running PP things....it can be both you didn't have to be on either team howie or team chip
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 23, 2015, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 22, 2015, 07:12:32 PM
I'm just hoping that the bubble didn't burst when the Eagles collapsed late in the season.
Did the Eagles collapse? Or did Mark Sanchez become their QB and they started playing legitimate playoff teams?
this goes directly to my point of the incredible amounts of adulation that has been given to chip since the wash game last year...how many times did you hear fans and media say that genius chips system would overcome any qb...after the first dallas game it wasn't sanchez who was good it was chip making chocolate out of shtein....then when they collapsed it was because of sanchez...
chip thus far has been teflon like nothing ive ever seen a first time nfl coach get...to be clear I really do like him as a coach even if its not as much as everyone else does and im not even saying he wont win multiple superbowls...maybe he gets his qb and offensive weapons and the defense is improved enough where his offense really does become unstoppable....but my main fear is that the genius coach never has that chance because the GM who doesn't know what the farg hes doing isn't going to get him the right players
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 22, 2015, 07:12:32 PM
I'm just hoping that the bubble didn't burst when the Eagles collapsed late in the season.
Watch your mouth Rich Kotite.
QuoteKelly had often said that he has no desire to negotiate contracts with agents. But two agents with Eagles players said that Kelly gave them his phone number during East-West Shrine practices two weeks ago so they could contact him now that he oversees personnel.
lol the man who wanted to draft redshirt rookie taylor hart in the 3rd round is now deciding on who gets paid what
this is going to be AWESOME
chip kelly is the gym rat version of a football coach....he should be doing nothing but sitting in his novacare office 200 days a year and coming up with ways to score the football....then sleeping on his office futon....waking up and rinse wash repeat
now hes doing that and running a PP dept and negotiating contracts.....this is so preposterous and theres no one to blame but lurie
I think it's great. I hope it causes you fools sleepless nights and ulcers.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2015, 09:01:22 AM
...this is so preposterous and theres no one to blame but lurie
Thank god you finally realize this. Lurie has been the problem. He doesn't run the Eagles, the Eagles run him. The fans and city made him a billionaire. You're happy he got a new stadium, well so did every other major city that wanted one. He's a zesty owner who cares more about the bottom line than he does winning a Super Bowl. Why else does he let guys like Banner and Howie run his team? I'm not saying the guy doesn't want to win a sb but he's unwilling to make the sacrifices other owners are to do so.
Bottom line Lurie is no better than bottom line Braman.
its not about realizing anything....its about calling it like you see it on a case by case basis....not hating everything someone does because of their politics....I will criticize people I like and praise people i dont....i live in a world that is made up of shades of grey
and lol....hes a thousand times better than barman
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2015, 09:51:54 AM
i live in a world that is made up of shades of grey
Ha times infinity.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2015, 09:51:54 AM
its not about realizing anything....its about calling it like you see it on a case by case basis....not hating everything someone does because of their politics....I will criticize people I like and praise people i dont....i live in a world that is made up of shades of grey
and lol....hes a thousand times better than barman
Said this before but Rush Limbaugh could own the Eagles and bring them a championship and it wouldn't bother me. Politics mean dick in professional sports. Actually they mean less than dick. You put a championship team on the field and all that shtein is forgotten. And lol at you saying 'calling it like I see it on a case by case basis'...you're blind if you didn't see there was a problem 5 years ago with the Howie/Banner power struggle. Jeffy let that linger and it blew up. He's too passive to be an owner.
lurie wants to win more than anything....he just doesnt know how
i guess because banner was always under the cap and came off like a caricature of a conniving penny pinching jew, everyone thinks lurie is cheap. he aint. he writes them checks. but he doesnt pick the players.
I don't think he's cheap either. He spends the money and wants to win.
You want examples of cheap Mike Brown is one.
Lol at comparing him to Braman...c'mon
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2015, 09:51:54 AM
its not about realizing anything....its about calling it like you see it on a case by case basis....not hating everything someone does because of their politics....I will criticize people I like and praise people i dont....i live in a world that is made up of shades of grey
and lol....hes a thousand times better than barman
Said this before but Rush Limbaugh could own the Eagles and bring them a championship and it wouldn't bother me. Politics mean dick in professional sports. Actually they mean less than dick. You put a championship team on the field and all that shtein is forgotten. And lol at you saying 'calling it like I see it on a case by case basis'...you're blind if you didn't see there was a problem 5 years ago with the Howie/Banner power struggle. Jeffy let that linger and it blew up. He's too passive to be an owner.
i only bring up the politics because 1) you constantly harp on him being a weenie liberal and 2) i cant imagine any other reason you would put him in a class with braman....braman is the worst owner in the history of philly sports and one of the worst ever in any sport
lurie is by and large a good owner...not great but better than most...so it has to be personal to lump him in with a braman
the windmills drive him nuts
so does allowing women to enter the linc
Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2015, 10:49:11 AM
lurie wants to win more than anything....he just doesnt know how
i guess because banner was always under the cap and came off like a caricature of a conniving penny pinching jew, everyone thinks lurie is cheap. he aint. he writes them checks. but he doesnt pick the players.
Of course he wants to win, but does someone who wants to win above all else give the keys to his franchise to guys like Banner and Roseman? Putting people like that in charge screams "make me money"...not "win me a championship". Show me another team that's had accountants running the show for the last decade. It's a disgrace. It's nice he writes checks, what a swell guy...Dan Snyder, Jerrah, and every large market team does too.
The Eagles are the 7th most valuable nfl franchise, behind them sits:
Bears
Niners
Ravens
Broncos
Colts
Packers
Steelers
Seahawks
All of those teams have won a superbowl(s) and with the exception of GB play in a large market. Yet the Eagles are more valuable because of the fans. ANY owner could have done what Lurie has done. He built a new stadium off tax payer dollars and his franchise is now worth $1.5 BILLION more than what he bought it for. 20 years and 1 superbowl appearance is pathetic.
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2015, 11:36:06 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2015, 10:49:11 AM
lurie wants to win more than anything....he just doesnt know how
i guess because banner was always under the cap and came off like a caricature of a conniving penny pinching jew, everyone thinks lurie is cheap. he aint. he writes them checks. but he doesnt pick the players.
Of course he wants to win, but does someone who wants to win above all else give the keys to his franchise to guys like Banner and Roseman? Putting people like that in charge screams "make me money"...not "win me a championship". Show me another team that's had accountants running the show for the last decade. It's a disgrace. It's nice he writes checks, what a swell guy...Dan Snyder, Jerrah, and every large market team does too.
The Eagles are the 7th most valuable nfl franchise, behind them sits:
Bears
Niners
Ravens
Broncos
Colts
Packers
Steelers
Seahawks
All of those teams have won a superbowl(s) and with the exception of GB play in a large market. Yet the Eagles are more valuable because of the fans. ANY owner could have done what Lurie has done. He built a new stadium off tax payer dollars and his franchise is now worth $1.5 BILLION more than what he bought it for. 20 years and 1 superbowl appearance is pathetic.
sf won the season he bought the team and the bears havent won one....a better and fair criticism would be that 13 teams have won a title since he took over
since lurie has taken over the birds rank in the top five in the nfl in wins...playoff app. and conf champ app.....only teams ahead of them have all won superbowls....the team has been good/very good but not great.....which mirrors lurie as an owner....good and better than most but not quite great
I'm saying they won 'a' superbowl, which raises a franchises value. The 85 Bears are one of the most memorable teams ever and the Niners dynasty is second to none. They're iconic in nfl circles and raise a franchises overall value. Wins and playoff appearances were acceptable talking points the first 10 years, 20 years in and those days are long gone.
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2015, 12:09:44 PM
I'm saying they won 'a' superbowl, which raises a franchises value. The 85 Bears are one of the most memorable teams ever and the Niners dynasty is second to none. They're iconic in nfl circles and raise a franchises overall value. Wins and playoff appearances were acceptable talking points the first 10 years, 20 years in and those days are long gone.
i dont know why this became a debate about franchise values, but the 85 bears have absolutely nothing to do with the overall value of the franchise. they are the only nfl team in the 3rd biggest media market in the country, they play in a fairly updated stadium.....they are worth a ton. they could go 5-11 for 25 seasons and still sell for 4 billion. some rich dude somewhere will want to buy the chicago bears because they are the chicago bears, not because of what richard dent did in the 80's.
againn, lurie isnt cheap. handing over the reigns of the franchise to banner, andy, howie or chip isnt a financial decision. its him thinking this is what will help us win. are they the correct decisions? probably not.
The 85 Bears were maybe the most popular football team of all time. That SB increased the teams worth. My point in all of that is despite not winning crap the Eagles are still worth more than the Bears who've actually won something and who have also made an appearance in the SB since then. The Patriots were probably top 15 most valuable franchise before Belichick/Brady came along, now they're #2. Yes, winning championships = Higher franchise worth.
If handing the reigns over to Banner/Howie wasn't a financial decision then what the hell was it? Now he's handed them over to Chip because his hand was forced. He either went with Chip or he had Howie find him a new coach. There was no middle ground.
To put the Eagles ineptitude in perspective:
(http://i.imgur.com/LuAfNAf.jpg)
Man, you can tell this has been a long, awful offseason. Thank god we're almost through it now. Wait, is this still January? Farg.
QuoteThe 85 Bears were maybe the most popular football team of all time. That SB increased the teams worth.
maybe for a few years? but thats ancient history now. anyway the forbes value list is utter nonsense. it has no bearing on the market or bidding for a team. the farging worthless clippers sold for 2 bills. the clippers. the only way to know if the eagles are worth more than the bears is for both to go on the market at the same time and see who is sold for more. the answer will be who gives a shtein.
QuoteThe Patriots were probably top 15 most valuable franchise before Belichick/Brady came along, now they're #2. Yes, winning championships = Higher franchise worth.
sure? the patriots also built a state of the art stadium. 15 years ago they were playing in a dump. the washington pro team hasnt won anything in decades and are "worth" like the 3rd most or whatever. its not about how many super bowls you won 10 years ago. its about market size, stadium, merchandise sales and whatever other rich guy tax crap bla bla bla money.
QuoteIf handing the reigns over to Banner/Howie wasn't a financial decision then what the hell was it? Now he's handed them over to Chip because his hand was forced. He either went with Chip or he had Howie find him a new coach. There was no middle ground.
he was making the decision he felt was right in order to win. it wasnt like "oh this is the cheapest route" or whatever. you can question how much sense it made, or if it was right, but lurie is not squeezing dollars.
Lurie saw his 'business model' was making him moolah and went with the accountants rather than football guys. Why shake it up when his pockets are getting fat? He puts more money out than Braman but nfl revenue now compared to 20 years ago is night and day plus there's a cap. He'd be a fool not to invest in his on field product because the fans made him rich beyond his wildest dreams.
You know what, you guys are right, he' a good owner. Gold Standard in fact.
He's better than most but he lacks the killer instinct. I don't think Kelly does, however. Irish.
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2015, 12:09:44 PM
I'm saying they won 'a' superbowl, which raises a franchises value. The 85 Bears are one of the most memorable teams ever and the Niners dynasty is second to none. They're iconic in nfl circles and raise a franchises overall value. Wins and playoff appearances were acceptable talking points the first 10 years, 20 years in and those days are long gone.
that happened before lurie took over....its meaningless in a discussion about how good of an owner he is
franchise value has almost nothing to do with wins or championships in any sport....clippers sold for two billion
Clippers play in maybe the biggest basketball market in the world. Sure it's dominated by the Lskersbut they're still part of it. Wins/losses/legacy have plenty to do with franchise value. Please refer to the Green Bay Packers.
Again...Luries a gold standard owner
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2015, 03:10:10 PM
Again...Luries a gold standard owner
definitely wouldn't go that far....id say hes somewhere btwn gold standard and braman but closer to GS
I'm pretty sure SD is being sarcastic in his gold standard references.
Then again, I could be wrong.
Windmills.
Well he's using Super Bowls that happened 30 years ago to justify franchise value so he may be drunk?
SD is still working on how to be a decent internet troll. Sometimes he nails it (science denial, woman hating) sometimes he whiffs (whatever the hell is going on here). Give him time. He'll get better with practice.
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2015, 03:54:19 PM
I'm pretty sure SD is being sarcastic in his gold standard references.
I know he is
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2015, 06:21:53 PM
SD is still working on how to be a decent internet troll. Sometimes he nails it (science denial, woman hating) sometimes he whiffs (whatever the hell is going on here). Give him time. He'll get better with practice.
3 pages...respect
poll on 97.5 has a pick your coach option with Chip and Belicheck tied. IGY may be on to something about the fans having too much adulation for CK.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2015, 08:11:56 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 23, 2015, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 22, 2015, 07:12:32 PM
I'm just hoping that the bubble didn't burst when the Eagles collapsed late in the season.
Did the Eagles collapse? Or did Mark Sanchez become their QB and they started playing legitimate playoff teams?
this goes directly to my point of the incredible amounts of adulation that has been given to chip since the wash game last year...how many times did you hear fans and media say that genius chips system would overcome any qb...after the first dallas game it wasn't sanchez who was good it was chip making chocolate out of shtein....then when they collapsed it was because of sanchez...
chip thus far has been teflon like nothing ive ever seen a first time nfl coach get...to be clear I really do like him as a coach even if its not as much as everyone else does and im not even saying he wont win multiple superbowls...maybe he gets his qb and offensive weapons and the defense is improved enough where his offense really does become unstoppable....but my main fear is that the genius coach never has that chance because the GM who doesn't know what the farg hes doing isn't going to get him the right players
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2015, 07:37:31 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2015, 06:21:53 PM
SD is still working on how to be a decent internet troll. Sometimes he nails it (science denial, woman hating) sometimes he whiffs (whatever the hell is going on here). Give him time. He'll get better with practice.
3 pages...respect
the boy becomes a man.
Quote from: phillycrew on January 29, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
poll on 97.5 has a pick your coach option with Chip and Belicheck tied. IGY may be on to something about the fans having too much adulation for CK.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2015, 08:11:56 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 23, 2015, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 22, 2015, 07:12:32 PM
I'm just hoping that the bubble didn't burst when the Eagles collapsed late in the season.
Did the Eagles collapse? Or did Mark Sanchez become their QB and they started playing legitimate playoff teams?
this goes directly to my point of the incredible amounts of adulation that has been given to chip since the wash game last year...how many times did you hear fans and media say that genius chips system would overcome any qb...after the first dallas game it wasn't sanchez who was good it was chip making chocolate out of shtein....then when they collapsed it was because of sanchez...
chip thus far has been teflon like nothing ive ever seen a first time nfl coach get...to be clear I really do like him as a coach even if its not as much as everyone else does and im not even saying he wont win multiple superbowls...maybe he gets his qb and offensive weapons and the defense is improved enough where his offense really does become unstoppable....but my main fear is that the genius coach never has that chance because the GM who doesn't know what the farg hes doing isn't going to get him the right players
stupid idiots....its way bigger than the the local dopes tho....its even the national media and fans...people farging worship at his alter and i have no idea why
I'd take Billy B over Chip...and whoever says otherwise is farged in the head
I'd take Ozzy Newsome over Chip
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2015, 04:07:53 PM
stupid idiots....its way bigger than the the local dopes tho....its even the national media and fans...people farging worship at his alter and i have no idea why
So true. OK, he ran the funky, fun offense at Oregon. Lost the National Championship. Gets to NFL and is OK, not great but OK. Never quite got all the accolades and slurping from the national media.
meanwhile bruce arians who was hired at the same time and has been better gets very little run.....i guess cause he doesnt monitor his players sleep
howie's office is now on the business side of the building, away from chip
same buidling tho right?
QuoteTodd Herremans' candid, wide-ranging interview with 97.5 The Fanatic shifted to the topic of LeSean McCoy.
The former Eagles guard was asked if he thought McCoy would be back in Philly this season.
"For how much money?" Herremans replied. "For his contract? Hooof. I hope so for his sake. (Laughs). I don't know."
What about a restructure?
"I think they could find something to work out like that. I guess it all just depends on how bad Chip [Kelly] wants him, and if he thinks he's that instrumental in his offense. If he feels he can get somebody cheaper and just plug him and still get production, then...we'll see."
Trending: How Today's Tags Affect the Eagles
Do you believe Kelly thinks that way: that he can plug-and-play?
"I don't know," he said. "I think he values the quarterback position in his offense the most. Quarterback and offensive line. I think other than that, I think that he feels like he can kind of, you know, the system will take care of it."
Let LeSean go and you'll have to road trip to Houston to console me.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
Let LeSean go and you'll have to road trip to Houston to console me.
hahahahahaha
:'(
Go shoot some toddlers and plant guns on them until you feel better.
lol good idea
I'd probably get a key to the city and have a parade thrown in my honor
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bn8UTr7IcAAmHLw.jpg)
Still expecting to see a video of Chip hanging up the phone after the deal and having THUG LIFE flashed across the screen.
hahah - that's funny. EVen funnier if he was doing his weirdo lip licking shtein
shady blowback?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2384644-insider-buzz-free-agents-leery-of-chip-kellys-philosophy-after-mccoy-trade
and domo slays it today...
http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/paul_domowitch/20150305_Eagles__Kelly_can_sink_or_swim_in_free-agency_pool.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
shady blowback?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2384644-insider-buzz-free-agents-leery-of-chip-kellys-philosophy-after-mccoy-trade
Bullshtein story. If the Eagles offer money the player will sign.
No, man... it's BLOOOOOOOOWBACK. It's entirely plausible that a player will ignore a huge paycheck offer because a team cut or traded overpriced veterans to sign other players.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 05, 2015, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
shady blowback?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2384644-insider-buzz-free-agents-leery-of-chip-kellys-philosophy-after-mccoy-trade
Bullshtein story. If the Eagles offer money the player will sign.
the question is do they have to offer more money than the other team...also do some players just not visit to begin with and so they never get to offer?
No.
This isn't Oakland or Jacksonville.
Philadelphia is a prime NFL market and the team gets a ton of exposure.
none of those teams have issues signing guys
Quote from: MDS on March 05, 2015, 08:10:21 PM
none of those teams have issues signing guys
They overpay.
The NFL is rife with teams who unceremoniously cut players or force paycuts frown their throats. The Eagles aren't the first team to do this.
yea exactly
if its between ____ and the eagles and all things are equal, Player X may choose ____ because he doesnt trust chip.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 05, 2015, 08:09:41 PM
Philadelphia is a prime NFL market and the team gets a ton of exposure.
lol....these arent hs basketball players going to duke because they get on tv a lot
exposure/market matter ever so slightly....a guy can earn a little extra being in philly as compared to jacksonville. some guys like being on snf and what not. but really. its. about
$
$$ and exposure and the area
If the money is equal are you signing to play in Oakland or Philly? Jacksonville or NY? Tennessee or SF?
all those places are the same except maybe ny if you are talking about the giants because they are a classic superbowl winning franchise...that matter a little....exposure doesnt mean shtein in the nfl...in fact jacksonville might even have a slight advantage over philly because of no state taxes
it depends on the player
guys around the league talk....they may trust jax over chip. another guy might not care so long as he gets his bonus.
another guy might prefer country music and Tennessee to gay sex and hipsters so not SF.
Who the farg knows.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 05, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
another guy might prefer country music and Tennessee to gay sex and hipsters so not SF.
Who the farg knows.
right....someone isnt choosing philly simply because its the 4th largest media market and they go 10-6 a bunch of times and thats better than oakland haha oakland sucks
media and mean fans might drive some players from philly as well
You dorks are all wrong. They look for the best team colors.
lol @ anything other than money being a consideration. these guys don't give a shtein how great the fans are or what the system is or if they're going to win the super bowlzzzz... they care about the paycheck. as todd is fond of saying, that's it, that's the list.
and you're all suckers for believing anything else.
Quote from: Rome on March 05, 2015, 08:41:49 PM
as todd is fond of saying, that's it, that's the list.
just for the record that is tony kornheisers line
He probably stole it from Oscar Wilde.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 05, 2015, 08:47:50 PM
He probably stole it from Oscar Wilde.
probable...but for young jews like the lil guy it started with tk
before i knew he was one of the biggest thin skinned self righteous iceholes ever, tk was my god
hes still a god
his performance in the espn book was 2nd only to berman
get. over. your. self.
A lot of this talk is coming out now how Chip cannot handle strong personalities in the locker room.
Does anyone buy this?
hes a massive control freak...he tracks players sleeping habits for god sakes...of course he doesnt want people with strong personalities...stay in your lane follow the system and lets go
you needed to hear talk about this now to know this?
hes been in the league for two years
I don't believe that he cannot handle strong personalities though. In every business in this world there will be strong personalities and you cannot be a CEO, manager or a head coach and not have to deal with them. And you don't hire a guy and pay him $6M a year if he cannot deal with stronger personalities.
Chip's fine with strong personalities so long as they fit his type. By all accounts DeMeco is a strong personality.
But the strong/vocal leader type that he wants has to be willing to do it within the system. I absolutely believe he has a dislike for people who think they know better than he does or want autonomy.
The consensus that is being spouted is that was one reason Shady was sent packing - I guess every release is going to be tied into this since DeSean was a strong personality.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 10:11:14 AM
I don't believe that he cannot handle strong personalities though
thats an irrelevant question because he doesnt want to deal with them to begin with...they will be gone sooner rather than later so hes never really going to be with them long enough to "handle" them...that being said i think shady had a lot more to do with money than personality...altho his personality certainly didnt help
I know him and Chip jawed at each other the last two years, more so in year one, but I agree it was about money. I remember when he yelled at Shady for not hitting a hole in Tampa and Shady said there wasn't one to hit and then after film study Chip stood up and apologized to Shady in front of the team saying he was wrong.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 09:56:57 AM
A lot of this talk is coming out now how Chip cannot handle strong personalities in the locker room.
Does anyone buy this?
He can't handle strong personalities in the front office either.
I don't believe it - that's true.
BIG year for the Chipper. If he wins big, he'll be able to say he did it his way and it'll be hard to disagree. If they fall off or fall apart, then he's a jackass, and it'll be hard to disagree.
roseman isn't a strong personality, he's farging nerd.
so chip can't handle those either.
Chip walkin into NovaCare today like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-fIn2QZgg
sal pal reporting chip wanted the hell out of philly bad.....not sure if it had to do with chip or not
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 05:29:18 PM
sal pal reporting chip wanted the hell out of philly bad.....not sure if it had to do with chip or not
That doesn't make any sense at all.
Even Chip is sick of Chip's shtein, what's so hard to understand?
lol wut?
he probably means foles?
p.s. sal pal is a tool
Die you piece of shtein
The remaining Reid players... watch your backs
Riley Cooper
Brent Celek
Jason Kelce
Dennis Kelly
Evan Mathis
Jason Peters
Julian Vandervelde
Vinny Curry
Fletcher Cox
DeMeco Ryans
Mychal Kendricks
Brandon Graham
Brandon Boykin
Jon Dorenbos
for the record, i wanted arians.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2015, 07:59:02 PM
The remaining Reid players... watch your backs
Riley Cooper
Brent Celek
Jason Kelce
Dennis Kelly
Evan Mathis
Jason Peters
Julian Vandervelde
Vinny Curry
Fletcher Cox
DeMeco Ryans
Mychal Kendricks
Brandon Graham
Brandon Boykin
Jon Dorenbos
Compare this list to Chip's list (rest of roster). Talent disparity is striking.
Quote from: smeags on March 11, 2015, 08:42:40 AM
for the record, i wanted arians.
With Chip Kelly, you fargin' got them.
PC is on right now
Howie had final say over last year's draft.
Boom. Roasted.
already offered a 1st round pick for bradford.
I havent been able to watch it but I will tonight -- just reading the responses and quotes on lil guy's favorite site....but it sounds like he had a helluva PC
im just trying to figure out when sam bradford became such a highly sought after nfl qb ?
Quote from: rjs246 on March 11, 2015, 01:39:52 PM
Never happened. 10000% Chip is just farging with everyone.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 11, 2015, 08:44:48 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2015, 07:59:02 PM
The remaining Reid players... watch your backs
Riley Cooper
Brent Celek
Jason Kelce
Dennis Kelly
Evan Mathis
Jason Peters
Julian Vandervelde
Vinny Curry
Fletcher Cox
DeMeco Ryans
Mychal Kendricks
Brandon Graham
Brandon Boykin
Jon Dorenbos
Compare this list to Chip's list (rest of roster). Talent disparity is striking.
Kinda unfair because if you go to any team and compare the players that have been there 3+ years with the remaining players, the most talented guys are likely to be in the first group just because good players change teams a lot less often. I think the point is just how rapidly Chip has turned over the team.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 11, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
I think the point is just how rapidly Chip has turned over the team.
which is crazy for football because its not baseball which is primarily an individual sport...you can flip your lineup and it means little
football is organized confusion a bunch of moving parts that need to work together...cohesion is huge....especially in a system that is so tightly run and specific
forget the specifics of who they have got rid of and who they brought in...I think people should be giving more attention to the mass turnover and how that is going to effect the team this year...it would be a pretty amazing feat if chip has another winning record next year regardless of who he adds the rest of the offseason
I think a bigger question is whether Chip will maintain the pace of turnover. It's one thing during a major regime change like what the Eagles have gone through over the past couple of years. It's another if he's going to be carving up the team like this on a regular basis, trying guys out and rejecting them quickly. You'd think not, but I think he's impatient and not afraid to make rash moves. Big Balls Chip.
hes turning over the guys howie/andy signed and drafted
then again his idol billicheat always has a massive amount of turnover every year except for his all-time qb. chip has sam bradford, though.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 11, 2015, 06:13:02 PM
I think a bigger question is whether Chip will maintain the pace of turnover.
of course not...once he gets his guys in then it will slow down greatly
How can you watch his press conferences and not be entertained?
Seriously, it's like watching a cat taunt a roomful of mice.
hes the ultimate talker...hes so convincing and he does it in such a laymans kinda way that could even make sense to a toddler...theres no trade he could swing no matter how bad where afterwards he couldn't talk to you about and make it sound sensible
he should have been in glengarry glen ross
Andy Reid always thought he was the smartest guy in the room.
This guy is the smartest guy in the room.
Look, I don't know if the moves he's making are going to work out or not. Obviously I hope they do but I'm definitely giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I'll give you a hint. Not all of these wounded ducks are going to be better than the guys they're replacing.
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2015, 07:44:41 PM
This guy is the smartest guy in the room.
good news is that this may be true....bad news is that its probably a college locker room
Quote from: General_Failure on March 11, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
I'll give you a hint. Not all of these wounded ducks are going to be better than the guys they're replacing.
I'm pretty sure they're not done yet. I might be wrong, though. Let me check Eagles.com to find out... be right back...
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 11, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 11, 2015, 08:44:48 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2015, 07:59:02 PM
The remaining Reid players... watch your backs
Riley Cooper
Brent Celek
Jason Kelce
Dennis Kelly
Evan Mathis
Jason Peters
Julian Vandervelde
Vinny Curry
Fletcher Cox
DeMeco Ryans
Mychal Kendricks
Brandon Graham
Brandon Boykin
Jon Dorenbos
Compare this list to Chip's list (rest of roster). Talent disparity is striking.
Kinda unfair because if you go to any team and compare the players that have been there 3+ years with the remaining players, the most talented guys are likely to be in the first group just because good players change teams a lot less often. I think the point is just how rapidly Chip has turned over the team.
The point wasn't an aggregate comparison. What elite players has Chip added? What very good ones? Lane Johnson and ...? In 2.5 offseasons you should have more to show in personnel than who you were gifted with the fourth pick.
totally agree all hes done is get rid of talent...of course the chip apologists will try and tell you last year was howies draft
Ummm Chip confirmed last year was Howie's draft. You deaf? Or wearing a tinfoil hat in thinking it was some conspiracy?
The PC was great. Immmmmm almost back IN
chip also confirmed that he and howie are best friends
but the pro chip thing is a true and anti chip thing is a lie. ok.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
Ummm Chip confirmed last year was Howie's draft. You deaf? Or wearing a tinfoil hat in thinking it was some conspiracy?
The PC was great. Immmmmm almost back IN
lol oh chip said the zesty draft was a product of a guy he despises....shocking
yeah it was howie who wanted all those oregon pieces of shtein
if you knew anything about chips likes and wants in players you would see his hands all over the draft...but you dont look at football you look at twitter and anything thats is positive for the eagles
You are straight up typin from the grassy knoll lol
Chip says he had no final say the last two drafts. wtf would he lie in a of about that when it could easily be rebutted and make him look bad?!
I hear the coast to coast Art Bell or whetever dudes name theme music playing
you arent even a homer anymore...you are a caricature of homer at this point...enjoy
What am I saying so homeriffic?!?
I'll repeat -- I didn't want a Mariota deal done. It would rape the franchise
I'm saying the possibility exists that the deal could be done! It's insane that your discount that. Ditka traded his whole farging draft for one guy!!
chip: me and howie are friends LIE
chip: howie was in charge of the draft TRUE
that. is. crazy.
Ok so he was lying about total control. Wtf is wrong with you two?!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
What am I saying so homeriffic?!?
I'll repeat -- I didn't want a Mariota deal done. It would rape the franchise
I'm saying the possibility exists that the deal could be done! It's insane that your discount that. Ditka traded his whole farging draft for one guy!!
the fact that you cant/dont want to see that chip was all over last years draft and really just about every player acquisition good and bad thats been made since his arrival is homerrific
and this is some thru the homer looking glass type shtein right here...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
The PC was great. Immmmmm almost back IN
I don't believe Howie was behind massively reaching for Josh farging Huff. Sorry.
Haha but I believe that he didn't have final say and I liked the PC
Suuuue meeeee!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 09:19:49 PM
Ok so he was lying about total control. Wtf is wrong with you two?!
he was lying about that thing the makes him look bad but telling the truth about that thing that makes him look good
just like the bible is telling the truth about Romes being the devil and lying about that passage where it says its ok to kill your wife when she disobeys you
if you wanna be in be in if you wanna be out be out but do it because of the football moves not because of a stupid farging press conference or because of what elliot shore parks or spadaro told you
I think Kelly is a good coach. In terms of raw coaching ability there are few coaches I'd rather have.
I'm not a fan of the rest that's come with it now that his "vision" is becoming more clear.
Eliot Shorr is a dope
I'm off the ledge bc of the PC where we heard some explanations.
Plus I'm always gonna be reactionary. So I'll bitch and moan and then be ok later...usually.
Still don't like trading Shady and letting Maclin go
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 09:25:10 PM
that passage where it says its ok to kill your wife when she disobeys you
Which passage is that? I want to get it tattooed on my bicep
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 11, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
I'm not a fan of the rest that's come with it now that his "vision" is becoming more clear.
the problem is...is that is part of coaching...so as a coach if you think you can win with just x's and o's and not talent then you arent a good coach...you are a good offensive coordinator
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 11, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
I think Kelly is a good coach. In terms of raw coaching ability there are few coaches I'd rather have.
I'm not a fan of the rest that's come with it now that his "vision" is becoming more clear.
not trying to play chip apologist, but we cant fully judge the offseason until post-draft. right now their defense is much better but their offense is....not.
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 11, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
I think Kelly is a good coach. In terms of raw coaching ability there are few coaches I'd rather have.
I'm not a fan of the rest that's come with it now that his "vision" is becoming more clear.
not trying to play chip apologist, but we cant fully judge the offseason until post-draft. right now their defense is much better but their offense is....not.
free agency isnt even over yet...nevermind the draft
but so far its been a pretty bad offseason...admittedly a big part of that tho is injuries...highly doubtful this happens but if bradford kiko matthews et al all stay healthy then the grade goes significantly up
there's injury risk with every player, every team
of course there is a greater one for this team since every player theyve brought it is a regular visitor to james andrews....but rodgers could tear his acl tomorrow and there goes green bay's season.
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
there's injury risk with every player, every team
of course there is a greater one for this team since every player theyve brought it is a regular visitor to james andrews....but rodgers could tear his acl tomorrow and there goes green bay's season.
the bold part is the only thing that matters
yes i know playing football carries the risk of injury with it and if the best player in the league gets hurt its a bad thing for his team
there's nothing a little sleep monitoring and smoothies cant fix
after all thats happened the big question right now is the same as the big question was two weeks ago...how much is he going to upgrade the WR position...of course its even more meaningful now with mack gone...but even had they kept him they still needed improvement there
id be interested to hear from everyone where they think it will end up being on a 1-10 scale
1 - stay as it is now with huff playing a much bigger role and maybe draft a wr on day 2/3
5 - draft two wr's in the first five rounds
10 - sign/trade for a good/very good but not game changing veteran and draft a wr no lower than round two
What's KKKooper's cap hit if they dump him?
I think Huff and Matthews will be counted on heavily and I can see two Wrs taken in the first five rounds.
My worry is -- can Matthews get open outside consistently? Can Huff make that necessary leap from rough rookie year to a serviceable player?
If they're going to dump Cooper it'll be on June 1st.
They're not going to dump Cooper. They're going to give him even more money.
I'm at a 6...think they draft two WRs in first 5 founds, dump Cooper and bring in a middling vet.
Quote from: Munson on March 11, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
I'm at a 6...think they draft two WRs in first 5 founds, dump Cooper and bring in a middling vet.
Your 2015 starting receivers, Riley Cooper and Lance Moore.
The best part about today's press conference is nobody batted an eye when Chip outright said they need their draft picks because the team is garbage.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 11, 2015, 10:36:25 PM
The best part about today's press conference is nobody batted an eye when Chip outright said they need their draft picks because the team is garbage.
funnier than that is needing them so bad he gave away next years second for no reason
He was just going to use that pick on a player projected to go in the 5th round anyway.
Matt McCoy?
Josh Huff again. And Huff will demand to be allowed to walk up on stage and hold up a jersey for a photo op.
An Oregon ducks jersey
http://phi.247sports.com/Bolt/Chip-Kelly-stops-by-viewing-for-slain-Philly-police-officer-36165804
I would storm the gates of Hell with this magnificent bastich.
Good for him - I like to see this.
Just when I was starting to dislike this guy. Class move.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAANgkLXEAE1O_X.jpg)
Chip offering us more proof he's a genius, plus some more Howie appreciation and evidence that he won't trade up in the draft (which is probably the best evidence he wants to).
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Giants receiver Odell Beckham Jr. was the best rookie in the NFL last year. That came as no surprise to Eagles coach Chip Kelly.
Kelly said that heading into last year's draft, he personally considered Beckham not just the best receiver in the draft but the best player, period. So why didn't the Eagles move up from the No. 22 overall pick so that they could draft Beckham before the Giants got him at No. 12? Kelly said he just doesn't believe in giving up that much to move up.
"I said it a year ago: I thought Odell Beckham was the best player in the draft. I was right. We didn't have a chance to get Odell Beckham, but a lot of it depends on where you're selecting," Kelly said.
Asked if he was disappointed not to get Beckham last year, Kelly noted that last year, Howie Roseman had final say in the draft room.
"I didn't have final say so, I mean, you always defer to who's in charge," Kelly said.
This year, Kelly has been given total control over personnel, and Kelly will run the draft. Which means that if there's one player Kelly feels confident is the best in the draft, Kelly can do everything in his power to get that player. If that player is Marcus Mariota, the Eagles may not be done wheeling and dealing this offseason.
http://bustedcoverage.com/2015/03/25/chip-kelly-girlfriend-jill-cohen-photos/
That article contradicts itself. It states that Kelly said his philosophy is not to give up picks to move up and then says now that he's in control maybe the Eagles will trade up for MM.
I'm pretty sure its required by the editor of whatever outlet is writing it that every eagle article this offseason must include a reference to them trading up for mm
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2015, 11:54:17 AM
http://bustedcoverage.com/2015/03/25/chip-kelly-girlfriend-jill-cohen-photos/
Chip's teaching her the spread offense
She's finding out how in the read option its very important to identify what hole to hit and then hit that hole hard
https://instagram.com/p/0qC_chHoH9/
it goes without saying that she likes his smoothies.
I see things like that from Kelly and the urge to hug him overcomes me.
No homo.
lol @ him farging with toolbag airport john clark's stupid "what's it like to make trades on the phone" question
I don't know how I feel about Chip the GM, but I am 100% IN on Chip the condescending icehole. Sports 'journalists' asking stupid ass questions deserve every ounce of Chip's snark and disdain.
that part is great but he absolutely talks in circles and contradicts himself.
Mark Helfrich today:
Quote"I think it's unfortunate I've had to answer this question more than once: Chip Kelly is not insane," he laughed. "He's got a plan. He's got a method."
cant believe helfrich would apologize for chip...it's not like they have a history together of some sort or a connection of some kind
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDzoalzUkAAAWcF.jpg:large)
I'm pretty certain at this point that Chip is a terrible GM.
Dude can coach but if you're not his type he doesn't give a farg about anything relating to you. As a coach, that's fine, but as a GM you are failing at your job if you're not maximizing value for your players. Just because you don't like someone isn't an excuse to not get max return.
thats more or less what i said a few weeks ago....before the draft even starts there are way too many players who are pretty much off his board....whether it because of your size you personality your off the field stuff your arm length etc...
its a terrible philosophy that limits your upside in any draft
Mathis Kendricks and Boykin can all play. Period. Who knows how much he's actively shopping them but there's too much smoke to be completely BS. If you don't want one of them as a coach, ok, but as GM just selling off all of them seems borderline incompetent. Same thing with taking 20 minutes to trade McCoy. I like Alonso but you aren't doing your job as GM if that's how long it takes to craft a trade.
personally i dont agree with trading away all of these players but like you said there is too much smoke for it to be total BS that kelly is trying to move up for MM.
Chip and thinking (https://instagram.com/p/2MFcinHtlN/)
His Mariota/pretty house analogy might be a GOAT.
link?
Essentially, Chip said that the conversations with Tenn. about the second pick were like shopping for a house. It was like he drove into a nice neighborhood and liked the looks of a house for sale. But once he found out how much it cost, he backed up the car and drove away without even going in.
So it was essentially like what he did with Tampa?
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/34eaia1.jpg)
One of my favorite gifs ever, that one.
Chip always looks like he regrets trusting that fart.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2015, 10:07:18 PM
One of my favorite gifs ever, that one.
do you know where thats from
Simpsons whorehouse episode, TeeVeeTodd
burlesque house
but good for you!
How do you guys know about that super obscure cartoon?
Quote from: General_Failure on May 05, 2015, 12:42:33 AM
How do you guys know about that super obscure cartoon?
id laugh at this but ive never seen the simpsons
The show's been on so long that there's more terrible episodes than good ones, so on average you made the right choice.
simpsons havent been funny since they were on the tracy ullman show.
Quote from: Zanshin on May 04, 2015, 07:59:29 AM
Essentially, Chip said that the conversations with Tenn. about the second pick were like shopping for a house. It was like he drove into a nice neighborhood and liked the looks of a house for sale. But once he found out how much it cost, he backed up the car and drove away without even going in.
So instead he's stuck keeping his fixer upper money pit with a bad foundation. yay
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/06/lesean-mccoy-chip-kelly-got-rid-of-all-the-black-players/
Such nonsense. As if anyone could coach pretty much anywhere with that kind of mentality. Could it possibly be that he got rid of guys who didn't exactly fit or do what he wanted to do?. Could if have something to do with LeSean dancing around in the backfield, or DeSean being a me-first diva? I'm not even a Chip apologist-- these could end up being terrible moves, but if he could trade white dudes who don't do what he wants, there's no doubt he'd do that too. Nobody wants those guys.
He also replaced LeSean with two more black RBs, one of whom was the league leading rusher. And traded his couldn't-be-whiter QB. I mean, come on....
i dont believe for a second chip is racist...thats preposterous...but the perception is at least partly there and the blame for that is on chip for keeping kkk....if you got rid of him shtein like shady is saying is renedered meaningless
it was such a no brainer decision both for on the field and off the field reasons to dump kkk that for some reason chip didnt make
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2015, 10:29:12 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/06/lesean-mccoy-chip-kelly-got-rid-of-all-the-black-players/
So he got rid of all the black players (shady, Desean) and replaced them with other black players (Murray, Matthews/Agholor). I see his point.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2015, 10:41:48 AM
i dont believe for a second chip is racist...thats preposterous...but the perception is at least partly there and the blame for that is on chip for keeping kkk....if you got rid of him shtein like shady is saying is renedered meaningless
it was such a no brainer decision both for on the field and off the field reasons to dump kkk that for some reason chip didnt make
The difference there is that Cooper isn't a tradable commodity and they're not awash in receivers. He also does what Chip wants on the field, other than, you know, doing it with talent. If he was tradable, he'd be gone. If anything Cooper shouldn't be here if only because it's hard to believe they don't already have better options than that.
there was zero good reason to keep him then and zero good reason to keep him now...but if you want to keep him then you have to put up with the possible repercussions
he farging sucks on the field and is a pos off of it...if chip is keeping him because hes his kind of player then that is almost more frightening than what he did at that concert because it shows that chip is clueless when it comes to player evaluation
Quote from: SD on May 06, 2015, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2015, 10:29:12 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/06/lesean-mccoy-chip-kelly-got-rid-of-all-the-black-players/
So he got rid of all the black players (shady, Desean) and replaced them with other black players (Murray, Matthews/Agholor). I see his point.
he also extended jason peters, who is white
So McCoy insinuates Kelly is a racist then says he has nothing bad to say about him.
Solid.
And LOL at IGY.
I hope Cooper is an Eagle for life at this point.
Quote from: Rome on May 06, 2015, 11:06:43 AM
And LOL at IGY.
I hope Cooper is an Eagle for life at this point.
so you like elder white trashy chain smoking women with cob webbed ridden vagina's and young racist men?
be proud
chip doesnt want any knuckleheads on his team....shady is one. pimp is another.
another way of saying "knucklehead" is the n-word, but that doesnt apply to just blacks. chip wouldnt touch richie ingonito and hes as white as havas. he only wants team-first, salt of the earth go getters. thats not a racially exclusive thing. and that was not shady or pimp.
thats what shady is talking about. all the hardcore brothers are gone.
everyone is gone cept the guy that hates stillupfronts
To be fair, Puppy Hitler personally vouched for Cooper.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 06, 2015, 12:35:26 PM
To be fair, Puppy Hitler personally vouched for Cooper.
he also didnt cut all the loud black guys on the team
Quote from: MDS on May 06, 2015, 11:46:22 AM
chip doesnt want any knuckleheads on his team....shady is one. pimp is another.
another way of saying "knucklehead" is the n-word, but that doesnt apply to just blacks. chip wouldnt touch richie ingonito and hes as white as havas. he only wants team-first, salt of the earth go getters. thats not a racially exclusive thing. and that was not shady or pimp.
thats what shady is talking about. all the hardcore brothers are gone.
^
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: Rome on May 06, 2015, 11:06:43 AM
And LOL at IGY.
I hope Cooper is an Eagle for life at this point.
so you like elder white trashy chain smoking women with cob webbed ridden vagina's and young racist men?
be proud
No but I love your hyper-sensitive reactions whenever ridiculous accusations like these are made.
You don't think Chip is racist... BUT...
Oh and Cooper sucks as a receiver. I don't care if he hates minorities one bit. He's an ignorant ass fool and I feel sorry for him if he feels that way but it doesn't effect me in the least.
Quote from: Rome link=topic=21533.msg1005234#msg1005234 date=1430931985
You don't think Chip is racist... BUT...
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but when you make the moves you have you must understand you are going to get some perception blow back...dont forget what they did to pimp re: the gang stuff and the way they tried to portray him on his way out....this isnt just about kkk
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2015, 12:34:07 PM
everyone is gone cept the guy that hates stillupfronts
nobody likes that racist....cept for chip....but hes a hard worker, team-first, big bodied football player who doesnt complain about his touches and has totally bought into the chippian culture. if pimp did all those things then went home in the offseason and flashed gang signs and hung out with this peoples and continued to be a moron on instagram, he would put up with it. peters was drag racing in the middle of the street and they gave him an extension.
the only 3 people who complain about his chip in this manner are racist ass POS stephen a and 2 brainless morons in shady and pimp. since the cooper extension theyve signed 10000 black dudes and drafted 1000 more. nobody cares about coop being a redneck. they probably care more that he sucks.
It's one thing to be called out for letting guys go who've been productive but it's another thing to accuse someone of having a fundamental flaw in their moral being, IGY.
It's unbelievably insulting especially considering there's absolutely no basis for it. None, zip, nada, zero.
white coach gets rid of black player, how's it so hard for you to see it, romey ?
Quote from: MDS on May 06, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2015, 12:34:07 PM
everyone is gone cept the guy that hates stillupfronts
nobody likes that racist....cept for chip....but hes a hard worker, team-first, big bodied football player who doesnt complain about his touches and has totally bought into the chippian culture. if pimp did all those things then went home in the offseason and flashed gang signs and hung out with this peoples and continued to be a moron on instagram, he would put up with it. peters was drag racing in the middle of the street and they gave him an extension.
the only 3 people who complain about his chip in this manner are racist ass POS stephen a and 2 brainless morons in shady and pimp. since the cooper extension theyve signed 10000 black dudes and drafted 1000 more. nobody cares about coop being a redneck. they probably care more that he sucks.
stop explaining why kkk is on the team...we all know why he is....it doesnt justify it
stephen a smith couldnt be less racist...hes just another loud black guy that scares tiny whites like you
and trust me there are more than three people out there with this perception of chip...doesnt mean its right...its a perception not a fact....but its fact that that perception does exist in places and part of this perception was furthered by what chip/the organization has done is certain cases
just because football culture drives his moves and not race doesnt mean that it doesnt provide ammo for people that wanna use the race card
who cares? chip will be coaching the titan soon anyway.
http://philadelphia.suntimes.com/phi-sports/philadelphia-eagles/7/96/124641/report-rumbles-eagles-coach-chip-kelly-heading-titans/
Quote from: ice grillin you link=topic=21533.msg1005247#msg1005247
just because football culture drives his moves and not race doesnt mean that it doesnt provide ammo for people that wanna use the race card
:paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2015, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 06, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2015, 12:34:07 PM
everyone is gone cept the guy that hates stillupfronts
nobody likes that racist....cept for chip....but hes a hard worker, team-first, big bodied football player who doesnt complain about his touches and has totally bought into the chippian culture. if pimp did all those things then went home in the offseason and flashed gang signs and hung out with this peoples and continued to be a moron on instagram, he would put up with it. peters was drag racing in the middle of the street and they gave him an extension.
the only 3 people who complain about his chip in this manner are racist ass POS stephen a and 2 brainless morons in shady and pimp. since the cooper extension theyve signed 10000 black dudes and drafted 1000 more. nobody cares about coop being a redneck. they probably care more that he sucks.
stop explaining why kkk is on the team...we all know why he is....it doesnt justify it
stephen a smith couldnt be less racist...hes just another loud black guy that scares tiny whites like you
and trust me there are more than three people out there with this perception of chip...doesnt mean its right...its a perception not a fact....but its fact that that perception does exist in places and part of this perception was furthered by what chip/the organization has done is certain cases
just because football culture drives his moves and not race doesnt mean that it doesnt provide ammo for people that wanna use the race card
word on the street >>>> reality
marlo havas
and stephen a absolutely is a worthless racist troll POS who does not deserve any kind of respect.
Quote from: hunt on May 06, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
who cares? chip will be coaching the titan soon anyway.
http://philadelphia.suntimes.com/phi-sports/philadelphia-eagles/7/96/124641/report-rumbles-eagles-coach-chip-kelly-heading-titans/
florio's second HOF troll job of the week
the one thing he does mention that ive been hearing for a while now is how bradford is salty about the mariota rumors....how he said he would not sign an extension with any team that the eagles traded him too....shut up motherfarger....you have one half of one knee left that keeps you from not playing in nfl games and when you do play you suck....you should be giddy as farg someone traded as much as chip did for whatever reason he did it...and if someone offers you an actual extention i advise you take it...stat
Are we getting riled up about what a jock thinks? A football player? He said some things, and people care?
I don't know who's dumber, Shady or you fools.
I don't really care about his opinions. He's entitled to them just as anyone is entitled to theirs. The problem I have is this guy is openly accusing his former coach of racially motivated bias when the facts simply belie that. The sad fact is there's nothing Kelly can say or do to refute this sort of bullshtein.
If he comes out and denies it, he's just being defensive.
If he ignores it, somehow, somewhere there must be truth to the accusations.
Either way it's farging bullshtein that a guy like McCoy, who absolutely flourished in that same coach's system, gets to run his mouth off and make snide insinuations without any semblance of fact to back them up, and absolutely without any repercussions to him or his reputation.
You're right, though, Dio... we're all stupid for caring about any of this.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 06, 2015, 07:02:50 PM
I don't know who's dumber, Shady or you fools.
I'd say it's about equal
Love shady the football player...exciting to watch and gave 100% on the field.
Shady the person is an insecure bitch.
the tip shtein
The baby's momma Twitter shtein
Chip doesn't like star players shtein
Him reaching out to Gore telling him not to come here shtein
Now this chips a racist shtein
Todds post about knuckleheads is spot on. Kkkooper is on the team because he follows the chip plan.
When Agholor was drafted chip said he loves to play the game...he'd play it for free. Total opposite of shady and jaccpot
Shady's always acted like a big kid, it's part of why he's a joyful, lovable guy. Having the emotions of an 8 year old has bad aspects too. Kind of predictable that he wouldn't take rejection well.
McCoy's accusations are far more racist than anything Chip Kelly has done. It shows you racial preconceptions are on his mind, and people who consciously think about that kind of stuff typically have racial agendas.
With all the racial blow-ups in this country of late, you can't just go around accusing people of being racist. That's a hardcore accusation, and it's just wrong to do unless you have some type of indisputable proof. Not your petty inner feelings.
The most annoying thing about his comments were the passive aggressive nature. Don't be such a Hoyda. He clearly wanted to call him racist, so come out and do it. Don't dance around it.
The team kept the drunken racist and dropped Jackson for nothing at the same time an article came out calling him a criminal with gang ties. I can understand why a guy might get upset and jump to dumb conclusions.
I like Herremans reply where he said Chip is equally racist to all races so therefore he's not racist.
Whether the perception of keeping KKKooper is valid or not - you cannot levy that accusation when he's replacing the cut and traded black dudes with...black dudes.
Chip Kelly kept Cooper because other black players came out and vouched for Cooper. Michael Vick and Jason Avant stood out in front of him and said he wanted him to remain on the team.
It's not like the team revolted and Chip Kelly ignored everyone's demands. That whole angle is overblown as well. It was the black players who stood up for Cooper, who were in large part responsible for that situation being amended and him remaining an Eagle.
Quote from: Rome on May 06, 2015, 07:37:16 PMWhether the perception of keeping KKKooper is valid or not - you cannot levy that accusation when he's replacing the cut and traded black dudes with...black dudes.
But the black dudes he's adding don't pass the look test.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 06, 2015, 10:21:35 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 06, 2015, 07:37:16 PMWhether the perception of keeping KKKooper is valid or not - you cannot levy that accusation when he's replacing the cut and traded black dudes with...black dudes.
But the black dudes he's adding don't pass the look test.
donald sterling had a team of black players and hired a black guy as gm when blacks didnt really get front office jobs....there are ceo's all over the country that have black employees but are still racist...again i dont think chip is a racist but pointing out that he drafts or signs black players is a ridiculous reason as to why he couldnt be racist
the offseason really needs to kill itself.
Racists people generally don't take trips to Africa for humanitarian reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKVWdw8gIE
irrelevant on two fronts....chip is not racist and many racists have been to Africa
yeah, but usually they have nets and chains...
mccoy is a farging idiot...can we agree on that.
Quote from: SunMo on May 07, 2015, 10:01:51 AM
yeah, but usually they have nets and chains...
Literal LOL
Quote from: hunt on May 07, 2015, 10:33:54 AM
mccoy is a farging idiot...can we agree on that.
racist !
i still love shady....he played in PA his whole life and in the pros for his favorite team growing up...went on to become arguably the best back in football then got traded for a white linebacker with a missing knee...after pimp got cut got for no reason and knocked the Eagles out of the playoffs the next year....meanwhile kkk and evan Mathis remain
while I don't agree chip is a racist I understand where shady is coming from....then again I don't hate uppity negroids
Quote from: SunMo on May 07, 2015, 10:01:51 AM
yeah, but usually they have nets and chains...
Legit ha!
Damn you.
I don't see how anyone can see where he's come from unless you agree with his insinuation.
I'm an unabashed fan of Chip's and I'll admit I like the guy probably more than anyone here, but I would literally bet the house that he's the furthest thing from a bigot.
Is he a control freak narcissist that wants things the way he wants them? Damn straight he is.
But a farging racist? Hell to the no.
Did Evan Mathis do something I'm unaware of?
Whined a lot, got old, is expensive and wants a new deal.
he's been an uppity bitch for years now complaining about a new deal
Quote from: Rome on May 07, 2015, 11:05:17 AM
I don't see how anyone can see where he's come from unless you agree with his insinuation.
I'm an unabashed fan of Chip's and I'll admit I like the guy probably more than anyone here, but I would literally bet the house that he's the furthest thing from a bigot.
Is he a control freak narcissist that wants things the way he wants them? Damn straight he is.
But a farging racist? Hell to the no.
actually in life you can disagree with someone but still their point of view
And Chip kinda went at him the other day no?
doesnt matter, he's only on the team still because he's white.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2015, 11:12:34 AM
And Chip kinda went at him the other day no?
if you agree with berman or whatever schill the other day who wrote that quote about no one asking about Mathis as chip going at him then you are a sheep
but let's say you really do believe it...how does where Mathis stands right now after three years to where shady and pimp are?....hint: one is still on the team
cooper is a farging idiot too, btw. anybody here "understand where he's coming from"? :-D
if this doesnt keep these uppity negroids in line, it's bye bye buckwheat.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSttR_A-pYLqlXAZOH4DSHARYNeR7T0fw9C4a2SNVNn0_TMo0y_2FnvT-4)
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2015, 11:11:37 AM
actually in life you can disagree with someone but still their point of view
If you mean acknowledge it, I agree. I can point at it and laugh at its absurdity and that's acknowledging it too.
You either agree with it or don't. I don't and you've been clear that you don't either.
The end.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2015, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: Rome on May 07, 2015, 11:05:17 AM
I don't see how anyone can see where he's come from unless you agree with his insinuation.
I'm an unabashed fan of Chip's and I'll admit I like the guy probably more than anyone here, but I would literally bet the house that he's the furthest thing from a bigot.
Is he a control freak narcissist that wants things the way he wants them? Damn straight he is.
But a farging racist? Hell to the no.
actually in life you can disagree with someone but still their point of view
is point of view is incorrect....i understand how he can get from A to B but it's not based on facts
a point of view cant be incorrect...a point of view is not fact or even opinion....it shapes how you look at something....his point of view is causing him to have an opinion that you disagree with...i understand where hes is coming from so i can see how he would be upset and feel this way even tho i dont think his opinion that chip is racist is true
and his opinion is based on many facts....hes just coming to a different conclusion than me or you
when/if he ever expands on what he said we wont know for sure but i would suspect he isnt saying chip is a racist in the sense that a kkk member would be...like he hates all black people....hes saying he doesnt like certain black people because of the way they act or look...kind of like how racial profiling is racist even tho the person doing it might have a black friend
he said they "got rid of all of the good players. Especially all the good black players"
thats not true. they got rid of 2 good black players and elected not to pay as much for a 3rd as someone did. they also got rid of the white starting qb and are trying to get rid of the white starting guard. and they cut the other white starting guard.
anyway....his point of view is wrong. its incorrect. shady is a moron. we knew that. i know what hes saying and thinking. they got rid of the brothers but kept the racist white guy. i get it. but its a massive over simplification of the situation and incorrect.
you want over simplification?
they got rid of two of the three best players on the team for an injured linebacker because one was in a gang and the other talked too much
I thought they got ride of two of the three best players on the team for an injured linebacker because one was in a gang and the other danced behind the line too much.
so other than being gang banger, djax was a model teammate ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2015, 02:17:05 PM
you want over simplification?
they got rid of two of the three best players on the team for an injured linebacker because one was in a gang and the other talked too much
while i dont doubt that shady's personality certainly had something to do with it, so did his contract and running style. probably more so.
but yes, pimp was cut because he was a stillupfront
I wonder how Stillupfront is doing these days?
hatin on his uncle tom qb
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2015, 09:54:49 AM
irrelevant on two fronts....chip is not racist and many racists have been to Africa
Other than the British Empire, the Dutch, the Germans, the Belgians, the Portugese, the French, missionaries and slave traders, what racists have been to Africa?
The Africans?
Quote from: Don Ho on May 07, 2015, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2015, 09:54:49 AM
irrelevant on two fronts....chip is not racist and many racists have been to Africa
Other than the British Empire, the Dutch, the Germans, the Belgians, the Portugese, the French, missionaries and slave traders, what racists have been to Africa?
MA's who go on safari's
at least the MA's are smart enough to go there under the guise of a humanitarian trip.
Or adopting kids into their clutch of two dozen other children.
chip kelly SI jawn
http://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comments/37828i/si_request_chip_kelly_profile/
its not the interwebs yet, so you have to download a pdf. its worth it.
Basically a rehash of everything that has ever been said about him, but yes, exceptionally well-written. I especially enjoyed reading the quotes from different guys. Excellent article.
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's six months old
either that or its plagrrized from that huge expose written on him last season
It's new. Unless the date is wrong and the writer had the Nostradamus-like prognostication skills.
all the historical stuff is the same...i guess the same writer did the last one i cant remember who wrote it...or maybe it was SI but not this writer
I really don't care if he's a genius. Plenty of dopes have won the Super Bowl. Just want one before I die. And at this rate that's becoming a dicier proposition by the minute.
Like I told my loser Dallas fan uncle (by marriage) on Memorial Day...they might blow next season or miss the playoffs but I'll give his method a chance because nothing else has worked so what do we have to lose.
Well, that and you have, you know, no choice at the moment other than give it a chance.
not pointing you out romey this is just a general question to the powers that be who have annointed him as such...i wanna know why chip is a genius and bruce arians isnt.....or chip is one but any other random college coach who has lost in a natty championship game isnt...cant the motherfarger win something before he becomes a god?...im not sure ive ever seen anything like the worship chip gets for a coach who really has never done anything of note
Definitely fair to say he's overhyped. I think it's largely a product of the overcrowded sports news outlets...they're constantly looking for something to say and for a draw. If they play up Kelly's innovation (regardless of the lack of top-level championship success), it gives them something to talk about. It's almost as if they want to create a legend. He does things differently, so that's the angle they can use to set him apart. And they do, because people eat that shtein up.
Quote from: Zanshin on May 27, 2015, 09:07:17 AM
because people eat that shtein up.
agreed...especially in the analytical nerd circles....they farging worship him because football is the one sport where analytics is usless and cant be applied but chip is nerdy in a lot of ways and they farging love him for it
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 27, 2015, 08:54:36 AM
not pointing you out romey this is just a general question to the powers that be who have annointed him as such...i wanna know why chip is a genius and bruce arians isnt.....or chip is one but any other random college coach who has lost in a natty championship game isnt...cant the motherfarger win something before he becomes a god?...im not sure ive ever seen anything like the worship chip gets for a coach who really has never done anything of note
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21727.0
hinkie magic has taken the leagues worst franchise and gave it an incredibly promising future...the amount of assets hes built and the place he has taken them from to where they are now in just two years is damn impressive
chip has sam bradford throwing to josh huff and a racist
not really a comparison at this point
im not even hating on chip...i have an open mind that he can win multiple superbowls still....but he has done absolutely nothing that would have you anywhere close to calling him a genius like everyone does
why do you give a flying farg what others say or think especially if you have this so called open mind that he can win multi superbowls just like all the "nerds" and media dopes do ?
Quote from: smeags on May 27, 2015, 10:16:10 AM
why do you give a flying farg what others say or think
same reason you give a flying farg about local talk radio personalities
same reason youd give a flying farg if everyone was calling jason garrett a genius
hmmm, so a person thinking garrett is a dope and debating the thought that he isnt is the same as you whining about others stroking kelly who again you just said you still think will win multi championships ?
cmon man, stop the mentral cycle over kelly. let it play out and stop ranting so much about people having such a high opinion of him.
and just so we're clear, i wanted arians as the HC and still stand by that opinion so im not a kelly zealout.
come on man stop with the menstral cycle over the lets just let it play out stuff and stop ranting about people who dont think chip is a genius
Until he wins something he's a wannabe Jack Pardee. Let me know when you've won something, Chip.
The only thing worse than the unbridled slurping is the caterwauling over his not winning anything yet crowd. It's been two years. He's won 20 of 32 games after Reid left the team in horrific shape. And now he's got the opportunity to get the guys he wants on the field and in the scouting, personnel depts and the front office. Give the guy a chance, already.
there is no not win anything yet crowd...its like 1% of the people
there is however a large segment of people who are rooting against him
and a gigantic segment of people who think hes a genius
but i think we should just wait until all sports play themselves out to a final conclusion before talking about them
so when chip is fired or quits lets all meet back here and discuss
The last two lines, I have to say, is the finest idea I've seen here for weeks.
Anything would be better than this repetitive brainless horseshtein.
yea but will chip win a super bowl?
Did the article mention culture because if not then I will not read it.
Culture? You mean like Culture Club? They were great!
id rather listen to culture club on a continuous loop for a week than hear more vagina monlogues about chip getting too much credit from certain segments of the human race before he has won 15 lombardis.
Quote from: MDS on May 26, 2015, 05:22:28 PM
chip kelly SI jawn
http://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comments/37828i/si_request_chip_kelly_profile/
its not the interwebs yet, so you have to download a pdf. its worth it.
who here is browsing /r/eagles on the regular?
I'll out myself, if that ain't already obvious from the links I post.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 27, 2015, 08:54:36 AM
not pointing you out romey this is just a general question to the powers that be who have annointed him as such...i wanna know why chip is a genius and bruce arians isnt.....or chip is one but any other random college coach who has lost in a natty championship game isnt...cant the motherfarger win something before he becomes a god?...im not sure ive ever seen anything like the worship chip gets for a coach who really has never done anything of note
Short answer is innovative offense and respectable football peops are praising him. I'm in the win the Eagles a super bowl and I'll call him whatever he wants category.
Quote from: MDS on May 27, 2015, 04:41:20 PM
yea but will chip win a super bowl?
This made me laugh. Solid timing
Don't encourage him.
I like Chip. I'll root for Chip. Hell, I'd root for Satan if he was coaching the Eagles (read: Kotite). Like everything else in the farging world, the media runs this shtein into the ground.
Save his canonization, his coronation, and his Canton bust for when he wins something. Until then, he's just a coach. A good coach, but not the second coming of Vince Lombardi.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 27, 2015, 09:30:01 PM
I like Chip. I'll root for Chip.
[Dio]I root for visors.[/Dio]
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 27, 2015, 09:30:01 PM
Save his canonization, his coronation, and his Canton bust for when he wins something. Until then, he's just a coach. A good coach, but not the second coming of Vince Lombardi.
So far to me he is more like the second coming of Don Coryell (who also came straight out of college, was called a genius for his offensive innovations, and had success in the NFL -- without taking any teams all the way).
Very good comparison QB. How true. Coryell was cutting edge, exciting, fast pace offensive genius. Man did he have some players - Fouts, Muncie, John Jefferson, Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner, Winslow. He actually had a descent defense but could never get to the Super Bowl.
yeah coryell is an excellent comparison. hopefully kelly can have more success.
meanwhile chip is going into his 3rd season, while he has had some success he is going to need to get this thing rolling and produce more than a playoff loss.
a huge difference is coryell had ridiculous offensive HOF talent.....chip has gotten rid of all his talent and is counting 100% on system
Or did Coryell's system make them HOF talent? I don't think it's an either/or scenario, actually. And it's overstatement to say that Chip got rid of his talent, certainly without mentioning the players he brought in. The jury is still out. Big year for the Chipper. Rubber has to meet the road.
Hall of Famer Mark Sanchez? Hall of Famer Riley Cooper? I have a hard time seeing it.
Coryell did not have HOF passing and receiving talent in St Louis, where he started in the NFL and where his teams were similarly offensively ranked to the Charger years. He turned Jim Hart into a Pro Bowler.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 28, 2015, 01:25:21 PM
Hall of Famer Mark Sanchez? Hall of Famer Riley Cooper? I have a hard time seeing it.
Yeah, no.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 28, 2015, 01:25:21 PM
Hall of Famer Mark Sanchez? Hall of Famer Riley Cooper? I have a hard time seeing it.
HOFHUFF!!
Quote from: Zanshin on May 28, 2015, 01:21:07 PM
Or did Coryell's system make them HOF talent?
negative
However, there's a 100% chance that Tim Tebow can Forrest Gump his way to the Hall of Fame.
turning an nfl team into some sort of hale bop cult should end well
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/06/11/growth-mindset-the-idea-shaping-the-eagles-offseason/
If it does you'll be sure to whine like a bitch about it..
why wait?
Chip lost $99K in a lease dispute (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2015/06/19/eagles-coach-chip-kelly-hit--99k-tab--penthouse-rent/28997845/)
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 19, 2015, 05:10:48 PM
Chip lost $99K in a lease dispute (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2015/06/19/eagles-coach-chip-kelly-hit--99k-tab--penthouse-rent/28997845/)
QuoteCourt documents show Kelly will also lose his $20,000 security deposit after his lawyer failed to show for a one-day trial.
Traded to Buffalo for a legal pad and stenographer with cancer
Guys, I think Chip might not understand money very well.
That's okay. Just win.
Culture?
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/culture-trumps-performance-dustin-dellera?trk=hp-feed-article-title-comment (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/culture-trumps-performance-dustin-dellera?trk=hp-feed-article-title-comment)
philly mag went full creeper on chip
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/chip-kelly-eagles/
Lot of rehashed info there that doesn't say much. Pretty stupid. Guess they had to print something after having the guy expense the trip.
I think you have to have more playoff wins than tony romo before you are called a revolutionary
Not necessarily. There have been many failed revolutions.
in that case rich kotite is one of the great revolutionaries ever
without question he left it on the field.
(http://unh.edu/unhtoday/sites/unh.edu.unhtoday/files/media/chip_kelly81-84.jpg)
That's a still from Rudy, right?
chip was married in the 90s to some woman. this nugget of information was treated like a state secret. this dude is crazy.
https://twitter.com/kentbabb/status/624580888978812928
Who gives a flying farg about his personal life?
Creepy stalkerish bullshtein.
maybe thats what igy meant by the lil guy being in hard on chip ?
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2015, 11:16:06 AM
Who gives a flying farg about his personal life?
Creepy stalkerish bullshtein.
lol i was just about to type this....you know who cares?....twitter
i read that article first thing this morning and nothing in it struck me as noteworthy....least of all that he has been married....
what is crazier?...chip for wanting to be private or internet heads needing to know how many ex wives he has
I care about their lives as much as they care about mine.
its pretty clear too the only reason she agreed to speak in that article is the shamless plug the author gave her company at the end it
OHMYGODWHOCARES
We also never knew he had a middle name and it's Edward so he's still awesome
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2015, 11:52:33 AM
OHMYGODWHOCARES
Why won't Chip just release his birth certificate?
Bengazi.
im actually interested why hes so apprehensive about speaking about even the most mundane aspects of his life
i get why he would want to keep that stuff quiet -- really its no one's business but his -- but him being so so so afraid of revealing anything about himself leads me to believe hes either a farging wacko from the planet kolob or hes got some deep shtein hidden.
he was married for 7 years...so many people have tried to dig deep on chip and hes been called a life long bachelor by even his own employers. its just really weird. the dude is super weird.
Or he prefers to keep his personal life private.
Because it has nothing to do with his job and it's none of our farging business.
if he had bangin ass girlfriend right now if be interested in seeing some noods....the fact that he was married in the early 90's....not interested
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2015, 03:23:32 PM
if he had bangin ass girlfriend right now if be interested in seeing some noods....the fact that he was married in the early 90's....not interested
Yes. Also this.
todd is turning into gil renard.
im cool with chip wanting to keep his private life private....thats his deal.....but when you go so far out of your way to not talk about your experiences, when people who work with you dont know anything about you, when creepy writers who stalk you dont even know you were married for 7 god damn years --- it puts up some red flags. thats all.
Chip hasn't even sent pics of his dick to the media yet. What do you think he's hiding... warts? Botched circumcision? Or is he just really small? C'mon Chip, it's the 21st century, you're not allowed to just be a football coach. Sports journalists gotta eat too.
He should be telling us about his females, weird that he don't.
Comcast is teasing it as "stay tuned after the game to find out interesting details about Chip Kelly's personal life"
I'm joining the "who the farg cares" group on this one.
I'm just waiting for the sex tape, really.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 24, 2015, 12:04:49 PM
We also never knew he had a middle name and it's Edward so he's still awesome
just caught this...laughed
The media fixation on Chip is the weirder thing here to me. They build him up, unnecessarily and undeservingly, into some sort of coaching god. Then they go and stalk not only Chip, but his friends and family in other states for personal information that has nothing to do with coaching. They're building him up and then creating this sense of awe and mystery that might not even be there. It's sensationalism all around, and sort of an odd symbiotic relationship. Wake me up when the Eagles do something of note. Until Chip wins consistently at a really high level, it's just hype and manufactured drama. And even then I'm not going to care about his personal life, let alone from 20 years ago.
cant wait to hear the reports of chip chillin" wit shady since he changed his guest list and included kelly.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 24, 2015, 06:09:01 PM
I'm joining the "who the farg cares" group on this one.
All in. Please let's move on.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150729_Eagles__Chip_Kelly_not_giving_press_a_pass.html
Wah!
chip def. has Aspergers
He might. Still don't care.
Quote from: MDS on July 29, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
chip def. has Aspergers
thinking durham new hampshire and philly are the same besides the over zealous press corps is some sort of disfunctionality...whether its asperbergers or not it open to question
LOL at the media making his contempt for them out to be disrespecting the fans.
Beyond ridiculous.
philly media getting all butt hurt.
if he brings a super bowl here he could piss on the liberty bell for all i care.
Quote from: Rome on July 29, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
LOL at the media making his contempt for them out to be disrespecting the fans.
Beyond ridiculous.
dont get it twisted...he straight up hates the fans as much as the media.....hes a recluse in a business that requires a huge public presence....the question is IF he is a supberbowl caliber coach does this market drive him away before he has a chance to win...and if it doesnt how much does it negatively effect him as a gm/hc...these are valid questions no matter how much of an eagle homer/media hater you are...and you are a pretty damn big one
Seek help.
i like chip a lot but havas aint wrong....dude is mentally just lost
even BB isnt as weird as him. the dude is at least willing to talk about the good things that happen. he participated in the browns doc on nfl network. he allowed cameras to follow him around when he was the coach there. chip wont even let his parents talk about how awesome he is. he doesnt socialize with his co-workers beyond actual work. hes a weird,, weird dude.
chip wants to be a head coach in the nfl but wants to be treated like hes a jimmy lunch pail from manchester clocking in at the mill for the 9 to 5. he cant functionally understand what business hes in and he never will.
Burp (bacon cheese fries for lunch).
bacon - it cures all ills.
Curmudgeonly Les Bowen wrote that eh? No shock
maybe the media should start bacon chip for info instead of demanding it ?
He only offers insights in bits.
the les piece was fine...it was actually true....but when you have a bunch of chip bots bowing down to his aspergers shrine, you get blind defending
The guy who takes a different approach to just about every aspect of running a football team also has a different approach to dealing with the media. Let's shtein all over him, he must have Aspergers.
To be clear, two geniuses on the internet are employing the sort of pop psychology that one might learn from fortune cookies to explain his public behavior and the supposed rationale for that behavior.
The rest of us are talking about bacon.
So bacon.
thinking that anyone is shteinting on chip is the foundation of the problem
people flying to his defense and hating on the mean media for what is a totally benign 100% true article
granted there are a lot of people out there like you guys that are going to catch feelings over anything not totally positive that is said about whoever the eagle coach might be at the time but the chip apologists/genius engineers are a special breed
Quote from: Rome on July 29, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
The rest of us are talking about bacon.
this is the internet equivalent of a small child plugging his ears with his fingers and humming really loud because his mom is telling him something he doesn't like
He doesn't hate the fans. That's just utterly baseless nonsense that you've made up in your head.
He's not a recluse when it comes to answering questions about the football team. He doesn't make himself available other than when he's required to by NFL rules. That makes him smart, not Howard Hughes crazy.
He's made it perfectly clear that he doesn't give a farg what sportswriters or commentators say about him. The only person he cares about making happy is the guy who signs his check. He wants to win a Super Bowl and he's in the perfect place to do it. He's above the petty nonsense that drags other meatheaded coaches down in Philly. You refuse to accept that, and that's fine.
PS: Bacon.
Bacon is some tasty stuff.
Hoyda also is tasty.
I've never had to choose one over the other. Presuming high quality choices of each, I think I'd go for Hoyda.
So Chip hates the fans eh? Ok
Quote from: Rome on July 29, 2015, 06:23:11 PM
He doesn't hate the fans. That's just utterly baseless nonsense that you've made up in your head.
He's not a recluse when it comes to answering questions about the football team. He doesn't make himself available other than when he's required to by NFL rules. That makes him smart, not Howard Hughes crazy.
He's made it perfectly clear that he doesn't give a farg what sportswriters or commentators say about him. The only person he cares about making happy is the guy who signs his check. He wants to win a Super Bowl and he's in the perfect place to do it. He's above the petty nonsense that drags other meatheaded coaches down in Philly. You refuse to accept that, and that's fine.
PS: Bacon.
he basically hates anyone who doesn't know a ton about football...95% of the eagle fan base make the media look like football savants...chip couldn't stomach boosters at oregon who are basically eagle fans that he needed money from...I can't even imagine how much he looks down at the eagle fan base...not sure if any words could even adequately describe his dislike for them...or for that matter any fan base he would coach for...dont take it personally he hated the Oregon fans too
And then she said, and I was totally like...oh my GOD can you believe that? The worst ever!
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 29, 2015, 06:06:39 PM
The guy who takes a different approach to just about every aspect of running a football team also has a different approach to dealing with the media. Let's shtein all over him, he must have Aspergers.
What he's been hiding all this time is a toy train set in the basement right next to his own Mincecraft server. That monster.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 29, 2015, 06:46:45 PM
And then she said, and I was totally like...oh my GOD can you believe that? The worst ever!
Young & The Restless?
honest question:
if the eagles win the super bowl (ok, bear with me) would chip even go to the parade? he would be perfectly happy coaching in front of empty stands on a game not on tv. he just likes doing football stuff and the rest of the world can go to hell.
69
Quote from: Diomedes on July 29, 2015, 06:31:55 PM
Bacon is some tasty stuff.
Hoyda also is tasty.
I've never had to choose one over the other. Presuming high quality choices of each, I think I'd go for Hoyda.
what, no 3rd choice ? never ate brown sugared bacon off a hoyda ? win, win, no ?
Quote from: MDS on July 29, 2015, 09:50:11 PM
honest question:
if the eagles win the super bowl (ok, bear with me) would chip even go to the parade? he would be perfectly happy coaching in front of empty stands on a game not on tv. he just likes doing football stuff and the rest of the world can go to hell.
Honest answer: If he wins a Super Bowl, I could give two shteins where he goes. If he could win a couple coaching via Skype, I wouldn't care if he ever chose to see the light of day again.
not the point and id be so happy if no eagle fan ever again started a thought with "if he/they won a superbowl...." the take that follows that will never ever end well
for the love of allah i thinks its kinda obvious that no one cares about a coaches personality if they win a superbowl....chip kelly could rape my mother and id forgive him if he won a superbowl
the point is will his personality be part of the reason he never wins a superbowl in philly...he could be the greatest coach ever but if he up and decides to get out of dodge because this city/job/league isnt for him then thats a problem
if chip farts in the woods, does anyone hear it ?
Besides the reporters up his ass?
Quote from: smeags on July 30, 2015, 08:48:29 AM
if chip farts in the woods, does anyone hear it ?
Probably one of the little boys he has chained up out there would hear it.
obviously the answer is no because chip would never be in the woods to begin with because he hates the earth.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 29, 2015, 06:36:28 PM
So Chip hates the fans eh? Ok
It's the same line of logic used in political arguments on both sides.
President Obama wants increased gun control > mandatory background checks are a reasonable option > banning and confiscation of guns is an extreme and unlikely option > Obama wants to send his jackbooted thugs into your homes, take your guns and inter you in FEMA camps
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 30, 2015, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 29, 2015, 06:36:28 PM
So Chip hates the fans eh? Ok
It's the same line of logic used in political arguments on both sides.
President Obama wants increased gun control > mandatory background checks are a reasonable option > banning and confiscation of guns is an extreme and unlikely option > Obama wants to send his jackbooted thugs into your homes, take your guns and inter you in FEMA camps
lol true
So you're saying IGY follows the same line of "reasoning" as Ted Cruz?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2015, 08:47:19 AM
not the point and id be so happy if no eagle fan ever again started a thought with "if he/they won a superbowl...." the take that follows that will never ever end well
for the love of allah i thinks its kinda obvious that no one cares about a coaches personality if they win a superbowl....chip kelly could rape my mother and id forgive him if he won a superbowl
the point is will his personality be part of the reason he never wins a superbowl in philly...he could be the greatest coach ever but if he up and decides to get out of dodge because this city/job/league isnt for him then thats a problem
This isn't true anyway. All things erode. Just read the Phillies thread and takes on Hamels and Howard and others. People who were instrumental in bringing the city it's only championship in forever routinely get shtein on.
winning a title doesnt give you a free pass from criticism...but im not going to care about a coach being a recluse if he wins a superbowl...however its definitely a cause for some level of concern now....that level is open to discussion
bacon on groundhogs day. can you top that rome ?
/closethread
Quote"To be honest with you, what we do isn't important," he said. "I'd like to know what the best doctors in this country do. They're the people you should be studying. Or the real heroes, the people in the military, policemen or firemen. I think people's infatuation with athletes and coaches, it's a little warped."
doctors are stupid
i wanna know what chip's favorite tv show is
Arliss.
chip says monitors only used on the practice field. and that jeff mclane can't park for shtein.
so the rumors of microchips being placed in the smoothies are incorrect ?
Of course. He already knows where the smoothies are and what temperature they're at.
Maybe Chip had that robot killed?
cyborg on robot crime?..nah
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 04, 2015, 04:10:38 PM
Maybe Chip had that robot killed?
so he hates black people and canadian robots ? when will this madness stop !
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2538528-eagles-players-say-chip-kellys-dictatorial-style-is-the-issue-not-racism
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2538528-eagles-players-say-chip-kellys-dictatorial-style-is-the-issue-not-racism
pretty much what everyone minus the race baiters have said all along.
Poor babies. Being told what to do at work. I feel for them.
an eagles coach could literally be inserting gps devices into the players bodies and youd defend him because he coaches the eagles
If I didn't agree with how he's running the team I would criticize his actions. Like I did with Reid.
The players who rip him anonymously are Hoydas, btw.
wait so now you are a Hoyda for not wanting to go on the record about something your boss may fire you for?
wow
other than possibly pg i have never seen someone blindly tow the company line like you do with the eagles
btw i dont see any player even coming close to ripping him in that article...if anything they were defending him against the charges of racism.....which also go towards your incredible green colored glasses in looking at this team that you could read that and call players Hoydas for ripping him
so, is chip the first horseman from revelations ?
Smoothie pestilence?
Smoothie famine, dummy.
But Kelly should be the one that rides the pale horse, though.
So confusing...
no doubt Kelly found a way to combine all four to hurry things up like his offense.
What the farg are you idiots using horses for? Horses are slow, they require food and water and rest! This is ridiculous! Culture Over Scheme!
relax, he will use Pegasus.
Things just got weird.
er?
Winston Juster?
I like it.
high fives all around
Jaylen Watkins is having a good camp.
And I even have a link from resident Eagles propagandist Geoff Mosher to prove it! (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/observations-day-8-eagles-training-camp)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 11, 2015, 08:32:14 PM
Jaylen Watkins is having a good camp.
And I even have a link from resident Eagles propagandist Geoff Mosher to prove it! (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/observations-day-8-eagles-training-camp)
Quote8. The coaches have been high on Rice,
wait, what ?? :paranoid
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 11, 2015, 08:32:14 PM
Jaylen Watkins is having a good camp.
And I even have a link from resident Eagles propagandist Geoff Mosher to prove it! (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/observations-day-8-eagles-training-camp)
That article links to another piece specifically on Rowe. It conspicuously fails to mention whether Rowe is looking good/bad/indifferent, which is disappointing.
yea but if it said he looked good, would you need to even source it?
homer. MA. homer. chip bot.
It's true. I'm nothing if not blindly committed to my lord and master, Chip Kelly. If he had a line of kale smoothy cologne I would bathe in that shtein.
He does, in fact. He gives it to players at the end of the season. Well, most of the players. The black guys get Axed.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 12, 2015, 12:48:47 PM
He does, in fact. He gives it to players at the end of the season. Well, most of the players. The black guys get Axed.
Not laugh out loud funny, but 4.5 out of 5 overall funny. Well done!
I love how sarcastic he is with the reporters when they ask dumb questions or keep asking the same.
About the two vs three QBs on the roster he kept trying to say it doesn't matter if a guy is on the 53 or PS because they could activate the PS guy during the week of need be but he kept getting questions. So with an exasperated "I don't know why this is so hard for you guys..." He shut that down
QuoteChip Kelly's overhaul has upgraded Eagles across the board
September 6, 2015, 11:00 am
It's impossible to look at this final roster and not marvel at Chip Kelly's handiwork as GM.
Forget Chip the coach for a moment. Let's talk about Chip the general manager.
How do you cut ties with Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, Trent Cole, Nick Foles and Evan Mathis –- five Pro Bowlers –- not to mention Todd Herremans, Brandon Boykin, Chris Polk and everybody else who was shown the door and come back with a better team?
Because that's what I see. More talent. More players who fit Kelly's culture in the locker room. A superior coaching staff. More depth. Way more depth. A team better equipped for a deep postseason run than Kelly's first two teams.
It takes some guts to tear apart a 10-6 team. Most coaches, most general managers, would have tweaked the roster, rebuilt the overmatched secondary, and tried again.
And why not? Going into Week 14, the Eagles shared the best record in the NFL at 9-3. They had just destroyed the Cowboys in Dallas. We were all thinking first-round bye. And maybe more.
It's easy to start rebuilding a bad team. But rebuilding a good one? That's tricky. Especially for a guy in his first months as a general manager just two years after his first day on an NFL payroll.
But when you sit down and examine the team that the Eagles will take down to Atlanta next weekend, you have to be impressed.
Yes, there are a higher-than-normal number of guys coming off serious injuries, but all of them seem OK and they don't appear to be at any more of a risk than anybody else in the league at this point.
There are still a few glaring questions facing the Eagles nine days before the opener.
Who's the third outside linebacker? Who's the nickel slot? Is there any quality depth on the offensive line? Can Sam Bradford build on his eye-opening preseason performances once opposing defenses start blitzing and gameplanning? Can the rebuilt secondary really slow down elite quarterbacks so they're not picking apart the Eagles down the field like last year?
But it's hard to look at this 53-man roster and not see upgrades across the board.
Defensive line? Same guys, but one of the best in the biz, and another year playing together should elevate their level of performance.
Linebacker? Gain Kiko Alonso and lose an aging Trent Cole? I'll take that.
Secondary? Younger, faster. Better at corner, better at safety, better coach.
Offensive line? Not better than last year but not worse. Solid group.
Running back? Cut ties with LeSean McCoy and Chris Polk and add DeMarco Murray, Ryan Mathews and Kenjon Barner? A ridiculously talented bunch.
Receiver? Lose Jeremy Maclin and add Nelson Agholor and hope for big improvement from Josh Huff and the usual Year 2 jump from Jordan Matthews? We'll say push for now, with the chance of a net improvement in time.
And quarterback? I'm still a Nick Foles fan. I've seen him win games in the NFL. No matter how much you can't stand Foles, you can't argue with 14-4. And Bradford still has a lot to prove. But he has looked awfully sharp. I'll say push again, but Bradford with these weapons does look intriguing. I just need to see him do it consistently in regular-season games.
In all, there are 18 players on the roster who weren't here on opening day last year, and that's not an inordinately huge number. But what's significant is how much talent Kelly shed in order to bring those guys in.
The big question about overhauling the roster of a winning team is whether all the changes will mean it takes some time for the whole thing to come together, for all the new parts to function as a single efficient unit.
And honestly, from what we saw in the preseason, that won't be an issue.
We can re-visit this in 17 weeks, but for now, I give Chip a solid A-minus for his first offseason as general manager, and the only thing keeping him from an A is the Boykin move. I like trading a non-starter for a conditional fourth-round pick, but I'm not sure there's a capable replacement on the roster right now.
This is a talented football team, a dangerous football team and in most areas a deep football team.
The whole Chip-as-GM thing was a leap of faith for owner Jeff Lurie. Unprecedented in NFL history for a guy with such little NFL experience to be granted final say over all personnel decisions. But Kelly has such a knack for not only evaluating talent but evaluating whether talent will fit seamlessly into his program that it really does make perfect sense.
In the span of eight months, Kelly has rid the roster of a number of very accomplished players and replaced them with a bunch of guys who are probably just as talented but also truly fit Kelly's vision of what he wants in a football player on the field, in the locker room and outside the NovaCare Complex.
A lot of coaches would be thrilled to go 10-6 every year and be in the mix. The fact that 10-6 convinced Chip to tear apart his roster and start over should be incredibly encouraging for Eagles fans.
He wants it all. Just like you do. And this offseason was a major step in that direction.
Hmmm...
Let me guess, igy wrote that.
Close. Reuben Frank.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/chip-kellys-overhaul-has-upgraded-eagles-across-board
chip bot lil guy will be by soon enough to rip roob the homer and irony gigacounters everywhere will explode
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
i love his smile
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 07, 2015, 08:10:19 AM
chip bot lil guy will be by soon enough to rip roob the homer and irony gigacounters everywhere will explode
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
i love his smile
Lolol whose smile do I love? Yours, lil guys or Chips?
if one thing is certain its that the eagles will go 2-14 because chip kelly is a college coach failure loser disgrace
Well that and their quarterback is made of peanut shells and desperation.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 07, 2015, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 07, 2015, 08:10:19 AM
chip bot lil guy will be by soon enough to rip roob the homer and irony gigacounters everywhere will explode
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
i love his smile
Lolol whose smile do I love? Yours, lil guys or Chips?
(http://media.syracuse.com/post-standard/photo/2008/11/122677-large.jpg)
Bonus props for posting one of him in a black jersey
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
I love how sarcastic he is with the reporters when they ask dumb questions or keep asking the same.
About the two vs three QBs on the roster he kept trying to say it doesn't matter if a guy is on the 53 or PS because they could activate the PS guy during the week of need be but he kept getting questions. So with an exasperated "I don't know why this is so hard for you guys..." He shut that down
My buddies, whom none are birds fans by any means, love how Chip just gives the press shtein. They love it and his smirky "are you serious?" looks and responses.
It's great because some of the reporters ask some really stupid questions.
lol @ some.
everyone is inferior when in the presence of chip almighty
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 07, 2015, 07:56:07 PM
It's great because some of the reporters ask some really stupid questions.
yet you follow every last one of them on twitter
And? Remember it's all about news gathering. Am I right? I mean I think I heard someone say that before right?
you wanna gather news from people who cant ask simple questions?
I guess I shouldn't watch ESPN or listen to the radio either?
You and lil guys Twitter hate boners are funny.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 07, 2015, 11:06:36 PM
I guess I shouldn't watch ESPN or listen to the radio either?
Probably.
Fine!
I'll go be a goat herder in the mountains. No outside contact.
follow who you want but don't rip the same people you worship
You have some flawed definitions and one of them seems to be what worship means.
And they ask stupid questions. And I like when Chip rips them.
While we are on the topic here it looks like Mosher went to ESPN radio? But he said something about doing shows with the worlds worst "analyst" Stueber (don't worry I don't follow him bc he's a farging idiot. But somehow you'll think I do.) and they're doing something five nights a week that'll be live on YouTube. Why leave CSN for some shtein like that?
jay, are you really gonna be sucked into this again for the 2 gazillionth time ?
Jay only needs to come here to read our in house expert news and analysis. Like someone's 2 years of belly aching about how Washington got their franchise QB and mocking anyone who thought they gave up too much to get him, which finally supplanted the crying about how the NYG got their franchise pass rusher in JPP. It's nice to have it all in one place, why look anywhere else?
Lol stud sb winner jpp?
wonder how chip feels about Bradford not buying into culture and putting money ahead of team
You mean Bradford who's playing on the last year of his contract and not in the middle of one he just signed 2 seasons ago? I'm sure he understands.
Quote from: SD on September 10, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
You mean Bradford who's playing on the last year of his contract and not in the middle of one he just signed 2 seasons ago? I'm sure he understands.
plus he's not an outspoken young black man.
Maybe he's afraid his jaw will just drop off if he uses it too often.
Quote from: smeags on September 10, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: SD on September 10, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
You mean Bradford who's playing on the last year of his contract and not in the middle of one he just signed 2 seasons ago? I'm sure he understands.
plus he's not an outspoken young black man.
he's an uppity Native American tho
damn those men of culture !
Quote from: smeags on September 10, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: SD on September 10, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
You mean Bradford who's playing on the last year of his contract and not in the middle of one he just signed 2 seasons ago? I'm sure he understands.
plus he's not an outspoken young black man.
Always thought it was odd Mathis didn't accuse Chip of being racist
I guess he's not uppity enough.
Didn't he go to Denver? I'm not sure how much more up he can get.
Murray said he came here because of...
wait a sec...
hold up.....
CULTURE
Are you sure it wasn't a dump truck full of money and the last coach in the NFL with a half-chub for running the ball?
its because chip is awesome and every player he drafts or signs is awesome
Troll harder, son.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 10, 2015, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: smeags on September 10, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: SD on September 10, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
You mean Bradford who's playing on the last year of his contract and not in the middle of one he just signed 2 seasons ago? I'm sure he understands.
plus he's not an outspoken young black man.
he's an uppity Native American tho
Is he really? I mean, he looks like a drunk but I didn't want to make any assumptions.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Chip_Kelly_Evolution_of_a_play-caller.html
Nice read. I shudder at the mention of Dana Bible still
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 10, 2015, 07:07:09 PM
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Quote from: smeags on September 10, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: SD on September 10, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
You mean Bradford who's playing on the last year of his contract and not in the middle of one he just signed 2 seasons ago? I'm sure he understands.
plus he's not an outspoken young black man.
he's an uppity Native American tho
Is he really? I mean, he looks like a drunk but I didn't want to make any assumptions.
maybe he's related to this guy ?
https://youtu.be/ooY_j9h5FbQ (https://youtu.be/ooY_j9h5FbQ)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 10, 2015, 07:07:09 PM
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Quote from: smeags on September 10, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: SD on September 10, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
You mean Bradford who's playing on the last year of his contract and not in the middle of one he just signed 2 seasons ago? I'm sure he understands.
plus he's not an outspoken young black man.
he's an uppity Native American tho
Is he really?
the red in his skin is pretty obvious
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 10, 2015, 10:45:52 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Chip_Kelly_Evolution_of_a_play-caller.html
Nice read. I shudder at the mention of Dana Bible still
Dana Bible! Oh damn.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO8x2cuU8AAM-e1.jpg:large)
LMFAO! That is so good!
Haha yeah I like that one
It's like "Groundhog Day" with this team.
excellent read...
QuoteUnveiling the 53: Chip Kelly's 2013 debut in Washington
The Eagles are once again set to open their season in a far-flung, nominal "suburb" of Washington, D.C., so let's look back at the last time they had such a distinct pleasure. On September 9, 2013, the football world's newest curiosity debuted in primetime. Since his hire as Eagles head coach eight months prior, Chip Kelly evoked strong opinions from anyone aware of his existence. To some, he was somehow a messiah figure, or some kind of football Dr. Frankenstein, bringing enlightenment to the NFL. To others, he was a hack collegeboy whose pee-wee offense would fail spectacularly. Nuance is hard to come by.
On opening night in 2013, though, Kelly's monster offense was a revelation. Though Washington eventually mounted a second-half comeback that forced the Eagles to recover an onside kick with over a minute remaining to salvage a 33-27 victory, the story that night was all about the first half, when Kelly's offense bombarded Washington, running an astounding 53 plays en route to taking a 22-7 lead. The Eagles never ran that many plays in a half again during Kelly's tenure as head coach.
We interviewed players, broadcasters, and other interested parties to assemble their recollections of the night in question. Any quotes that follow in italics were said on September 9, 2013.
1-10-PHI 20 (15:00) (Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to R.Cooper to PHI 26 for 6 yards (P.Riley, D.Amerson).
Mike Tirico, Monday Night Football play-by-play: "One of the immediate questions with this Eagles offense, and you're going to see a lot of names that you know, is how fast will they go, what will be the tempo, how many plays can they squeeze in with Vick and McCoy and DeSean Jackson?"
2-4-PHI 26 (14:35) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short middle to B.Celek to WAS 46 for 28 yards (J.Wilson).
Chris B. Brown, Smart Football: "The narrative of the summer had sort of been, 'Chip Kelly's going to the NFL. Chip Kelly's going to have to change the offense to run an NFL offense,' or sort of (run) what everyone else was running. Which was sort of an interesting perspective, because, why the heck do you hire Chip Kelly other than to run what he wants to run? But at the same time, you watched at Oregon, and you thought he had to make some changes. I think ultimately ... the seeds of some of the things that later didn't go so well were laid in the changes he did and didn't make, and even sort of what showed up in that first half."
1-10-WAS 46 (14:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to D.Jackson pushed ob at WAS 30 for 16 yards (B.Rambo).
Cary Williams, cornerback: "I remember it being a Monday night game. There was no better way to start the season than to be up under the lights, whether it was home or away, it didn't matter to me. It was primetime football. It was a division game, it was a big game for a lot of people that dressed up in the uniform and put that Eagles logo on their chest ... And for a first-time coach, Chip Kelly, he had something to prove. He wanted to prove to the world that his offense would be a valuable offense, an offense that can produce points and do big things and transform the NFL game. So it was a pretty monumental game for a bunch of people on the team."
1-10-WAS 30 (14:07) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy right guard to WAS 24 for 6 yards (J.Wilson).
Jon Gruden, Monday Night Football analyst: "You think this offense takes the crowd out of the game? All the screaming and yelling earlier, it's as quiet as I've ever seen it in a season opener. These fans don't know what hit them."
2-4-WAS 24 (13:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete deep right to B.Celek.
Lane Johnson, rookie right tackle: "I remember running 53 plays in the first half. That's what I remember. We were blowing them out early, then they eventually came back and made it closer at the end. The first half was unreal as far as scoring points. They really didn't have a clue what kind of offense we were going to run."
3-4-WAS 24 (13:33) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy right end to WAS 21 for 3 yards (B.Orakpo, J.Wilson).
Jon Gruden: "Chip Kelly loves to go for it. He went for it 118 times at Oregon and it looks like there's no decision here, Mike. He's gonna stay on the gas."
4-1-WAS 21 (13:09) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy up the middle to WAS 17 for 4 yards (B.Cofield, P.Riley).
Jon Gruden: "They told us they were gonna go fast. I've never seen it this fast. Chip Kelly has the Washington taterskins on their heels."
1-10-WAS 17 (12:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete short right to R.Cooper (J.Wilson).
Chris B. Brown, Smart Football: "I think Chip even converted a 4th-and-1, which he of course later in his career became much more conservative."
2-10-WAS 17 (12:29) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy left guard to WAS 4 for 13 yards (D.Amerson).
Zach Ertz, rookie tight end: "It was probably the best offensive game we played while Chip was here. We freaking could not be stopped. Everything was working. I think we ran like 55 plays in the first half. So it was a crazy game. It was a crazy first experience (for a rookie's first game). It was (Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III's) big return from the ACL, so there was a lot of hoopla surrounding that. Chip's first game. I still remember it like it was yesterday."
1-4-WAS 4 (12:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick to WAS 10 for -6 yards (R.Kerrigan). FUMBLES (R.Kerrigan), touched at WAS 10, RECOVERED by WAS-D.Hall at WAS 25. D.Hall for 75 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Lateral batted by 91 – Kerrigan
The Replay Assistant challenged the backward pass ruling, and the play was Upheld.
PHI 0 WAS 7, 0 plays, 75 yards, 0:00 drive , 3:06 elapsed
Chris B. Brown, Smart Football: "(After that Washington touchdown), a normal team, a normal first-year coach, it would have been, 'Oh no, everything's gone wrong.' But instead, it was almost looked at as an opportunity. 'This is actually good, we're going to get the ball again.' Then they march down the field and then I think they got a field goal, and then Washington fumbled, and then of course Washington ended up getting a safety, which is one reason why they ran such an insane number of plays, because the Washington offense with an essentially still-hurt RG III was just in shambles. It was fascinating."
1-10-PHI 20 (11:54) (Shotgun) M.Vick pass short right to D.Jackson to PHI 46 for 26 yards (B.Rambo).
Mike Quick, Eagles Radio Analyst and Eagles Hall of Famer: "I remember that we could barely catch our breath. That's how quickly everything was moving. And I had never seen, especially at this level, moving at warp speed. And that was that warp speed, that first possession against the taterskins, I remember looking at Merrill [Reese] and Merrill looking at me and we were just like, what the — is going on?"
1-10-PHI 46 (11:27) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy left guard to WAS 44 for 10 yards (D.Amerson).
Merrill Reese, Eagles Radio Play-By-Play and Eagles Hall of Famer: "No, (it wasn't harder to call the game because of the pace). No, it was just fun."
1-10-WAS 44 (11:01) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy up the middle to WAS 43 for 1 yard (R.Kerrigan).
Mike Quick: "No, he was all into it. He was loving it. I didn't get a word in edgewise. That's the difference, he was the only one who got to talk."
2-9-WAS 43 (10:34) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Brown up the middle to WAS 36 for 7 yards (J.Wilson; L.Fletcher).
Merrill Reese: "I thought, this is really working. People wondered whether it was just a college offense. But it's really working. But I did know in the back of my mind that like every offense and every defense that comes in and takes the world by storm, that gives the defensive coordinators ... time. They will find a way and ultimately it's going to come down to coaching and talent."
3-2-WAS 36 (10:12) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Brown left guard to WAS 29 for 7 yards (B.Rambo).
Connor Barwin, outside linebacker: "I remember how frustrating it was to go up against (the offense) all summer. It was exciting to watch somebody else have to deal with it. It was an exciting time, because at that time, we had 50-something plays or whatever, and it was working and we were getting off the field quick on defense. They were getting back on the field, so it was working on that time. Now, fast forward years down the line, it wasn't quite working as well."
1-10-WAS 29 (9:42) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete deep left to J.Avant.
Evan Mathis, left guard: "I was excited for the potential and for what the offense would be able to achieve. We were a team that was loaded with talent and we had this fast-paced offense that would be able to wear down defenses."
2-10-WAS 29 (9:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete deep middle to Z.Ertz.
Zach Ertz: "We kind of knew that it was going to be really fast. We didn't know how successful it was going to be until we got into that first game. But that first game, we felt like we could not be stopped. We felt like we were going to be one of the best offenses in the NFL."
3-10-WAS 29 (9:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete short left to Z.Ertz (E.Biggers).
Chris B. Brown: "There's arguably an inherent flaw with trying to be an up-tempo run offense in the NFL because, one, ... the expected yards for every pass is just higher in the NFL than it is for runs. And then, two, the clock rules are different in college than they are in the NFL, and a lot of being up-tempo is playing a possessions game. So if you're running the ball, you're running the clock, you're not getting the same expected numbers, and then you're also getting in more third downs, third-and-longs, because you're not getting 15-yard runs, you're getting 3-yard runs or 4-yard runs, and then you're off schedule and you have to convert in sort of high-pressure third-down situations. And then the net result is you're actually driving down the number of possessions, whereas the Oregon game is about running so many plays and having so many possessions that you kind of tilt the game back in your favor. I think it was just a challenge to do that. Ultimately I think that was the direction Chip was forced to go as the run-game efficiency sagged and then the passing game just wasn't good enough to keep it up. The first year, the run game was extremely efficient and then the passing game was just all play action and that was insanely efficient, which is why you got all those crazy Nick Foles numbers. And then once the run game wasn't as good, you had to drop back, and Chip just didn't have the passing game system and the refined techniques to do that, and he sort of never has."
PHI 3 WAS 7, 9 plays, 51 yards, 2:39 drive, 5:45 elapsed
1-10-WAS 25 (9:07) M.Vick pass deep middle to D.Jackson for 25 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
PHI 10 WAS 7, 1 plays, 25 yards, 0:08 drive, 6:01 elapsed
Michael Vick, Quarterback: "I feel confident and comfortable with everything that Coach Kelly calls. We sit down and we go through the game plans, and we try to make sure everybody understands what we are trying to do. It doesn't get any better than that."
1-10-WAS 48 (7:20) (Shotgun) L.McCoy right end pushed ob at WAS 32 for 16 yards (J.Wilson).
Brandon Graham, outside linebacker: "I just wanted to see what the offense was going to be, how fast everything was. It was everything I thought it was. It was crazy. We were scoring, McCoy had a big first half. It was fun. It was fun to be able to see how fast the offense was."
1-10-WAS 32 (7:04) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to D.Jackson to WAS 27 for 5 yards (J.Wilson; E.Biggers).
PENALTY on PHI-J.Avant, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at WAS 32 – No Play.
Connor Barwin: "I don't know if I was curious. I was pretty sure it would work. I think we were all pretty confident. That first year, Chip did a lot of stuff and everybody had bought in. Everybody was really excited. We didn't quite think it would work quite as well as it did that first half. And it didn't work that well throughout the year. But we definitely caught them off guard Week 1."
21(b). 1-20-WAS 42 (6:43) (Shotgun) M.Vick right tackle to WAS 40 for 2 yards (P.Riley; B.Cofield).
Merrill Reese: "(In the broadcast booth), we are seated low, almost the lower level, in the corner of the end zone and our vantage point is poor and we have a tough time telling after they get over the 50 to our right whether the offense has picked up five yards or fifteen."
2-18-WAS 40 (6:08) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick sacked at WAS 46 for -6 yards (P.Riley).
Merrill Reese: "You know what, as bad as that stadium was, I was so blown away by what was going on that I just forgot about it and called the game."
3-24-WAS 46 (5:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy right guard to WAS 39 for 7 yards (L.Fletcher, D.Tapp).
Donnie Jones, Punter: "It was a big topic of discussion with the offense (Kelly) ran at Oregon, how was that going to translate to the pros? I knew there was a lot of talk about that going into the game ... But it was no different for me."
PHI 12 WAS 7, Safety, 10:10 elapsed
1-10-PHI 34 (4:45) (Shotgun) L.McCoy up the middle to PHI 35 for 1 yard (B.Orakpo).
Chris B. Brown: "I don't know Chip personally, few people do, so I don't know what was going on in his head. It seemed after some initial success, and they obviously had to evolve a little bit after that first season, it just seemed like they kind of lost their way in terms of what they really wanted to be. Maybe some of that is ... when your central idea is just that, 'We're going to go fast,' that can work in a lot of contexts but it's also a success begets success philosophy. So you have to be more flexible when you're not getting first downs and have sort of a second punch."
2-9-PHI 35 (4:15) (Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete short left to R.Cooper [P.Riley].
Cary Williams: "I thought it was the ideal offense for (Vick), but for some reason he just kept having nagging injuries and I don't know if it was because of his age or what. Or if it was just one of those things that happens, But now that I think about it, Vick did have that thing running like a well-oiled machine."
3-9-PHI 35 (4:07) (Shotgun) M.Vick scrambles right end to PHI 46 for 11 yards (D.Hall; P.Riley).
Jon Gruden: "You still worry about Michael Vick running to his left or running to his right with the football. He's taken a lot of hits here in the first half."
1-10-PHI 46 (3:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short middle to Z.Ertz to WAS 43 for 11 yards (L.Fletcher).
Mike Quick: "I think that at that pace you wouldn't have players that would last for very long because you can't move at that pace at this level with the demands that they're asking of you. There's no way that that could have lasted."
1-10-WAS 43 (3:17) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy up the middle to WAS 43 for no gain (E.Biggers, K.Golston). WAS-K.Golston was injured during the play. His return is Probable. Muscle cramps.
Evan Mathis: "I don't think that pace is sustainable over the course of a season. It wears down everyone involved and puts compounding mileage on the body. It's a great weapon to have that pace as an offense in the NFL but it's a weapon that should be used sparingly, not the vast majority of the time."
2-10-WAS 43 (3:17) (No Huddle, Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-J.Peters, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 43 – No Play.
Cary Williams: "You don't have as many bodies. And you also have older guys here, guys that are mid-20s, 30s, late 20s, things like that. And the game is so much faster too and it's much more brutal as far as taxing your body in the pros. So a lot of things that you were able to accomplish with younger guys, younger bodies and more bodies in the collegiate game, and you can't do it on the professional level. There's not that many people. The roster can't hold 100 people."
29(b). 2-15-WAS 48 (2:40) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to R.Cooper to WAS 40 for 8 yards (B.Rambo; D.Amerson).
Connor Barwin: "No doubt (we were in better shape than other teams at the beginning of the season), but maybe that hurt us on the back end."
3-7-WAS 40 (2:11) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete deep left to R.Cooper (D.Amerson) [B.Orakpo].
Michael Vick: It was a crazy game. I have never been in anything like it. When the first quarter was over I thought we were going into halftime. It was unreal. The only thing I could tell myself was it's going to be a long season."
1-10-PHI 17 (13:46) (Shotgun) L.McCoy left tackle to PHI 19 for 2 yards (P.Riley, L.Fletcher).
Chris B. Brown: "I always thought the biggest what-if was what if he had started somewhere in 2012? Because I think in some ways he had a disadvantage, and he would have needed the right quarterback, but that was the year that all these quarterbacks started running the read-option stuff and defenses were sort of befuddled. Not that they didn't understand it, but they didn't practice against it. And it also took away a lot of the instincts. You have to really drill down on a defensive end to learn how to slow-play it, use the right steps and stuff when he's used to sort of teeing off. There's also a subtlety a lot of people don't realize where the offensive line blocks down and you have certain responsibilities and this sort of changes that. I thought that if he showed up in 2012, and obviously he would have had to have the right roster and all that, combining the tempo and being really the first guy to bring all that to the league in a heavy-duty way I think would have been a real, real challenge. ... And then the other thing, I think you have to go to some of the roster choices. The DeSean Jackson thing, and I'm not an Eagles guy, I don't really know, don't really care, but just from an offseason perspective, there was clearly something going on there and they tried to sell the fans and the world a bill of goods about whatever that was about."
2-8-PHI 19 (13:20) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy right guard to PHI 24 for 5 yards (S.Bowen; D.Hall).
Cary Williams: "I feel like a lot of things could have been avoided if you think about the Chip era, a lot of what-ifs could have happened. When you look at the scenario where D-Jack was gone, that's a what-if. With him and (Jeremy) Maclin, and what Maclin came back to do the next year, which was something special. If we would have had DeSean Jackson included in that, and we would have had Shady McCoy, and Sproles, and we would have had Jordan Matthews if he was available or however that worked out. When I look at that strictly off of paper, with Zach Ertz and all those guys. ... I just felt like we would have had a lot more if we had kept D-Jack ... So for whatever reason, whether it was for business or whatever, you got rid of guys years later. You get rid of LeSean McCoy. You get rid of Trent Cole and other guys, me included. At the end of the day, it's business and you can't take anything personal from the business."
3-3-PHI 24 (12:50) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to D.Jackson to PHI 29 for 5 yards (E.Biggers) [J.Wilson].
Evan Mathis: "What if we had actually evolved and adapted instead of trying to do the same thing over and over?"
1-10-PHI 29 (12:23) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy up the middle to PHI 33 for 4 yards (B.Rambo).
DeSean Jackson, Wide Receiver: "Honestly, I feel great and confident with the guys in my locker room. Biggest thing we say is that we came down on the train together and we're all one team together. We went on the field and we played like one team. As long as we are able to do that every Sunday, every Monday, every Thursday when we play games, I think this is a team that could end up in the playoffs."
2-6-PHI 33 (12:01) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to D.Jackson to PHI 39 for 6 yards (E.Biggers).
Chris B. Brown: "In hindsight, (releasing Jackson) is only objectively a terrible move. The other thing with Chip, and I don't know what compelled him to think he needed to do it, but I'm actually not sure that any human is capable of being an NFL head coach, playcaller, and general manager. I mean I guess Bill Walsh did it for a while, but it was also a very different NFL and he didn't really do it that long. And then Belichick doesn't even call the plays. So that, again, I don't know who you have to be to pull that off ... I think ultimately that's one reason why his offense suffered. How is he going to do all of those things and then focus on getting the offense and the game-planning right?"
1-10-PHI 39 (11:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short left to D.Jackson pushed ob at WAS 49 for 12 yards (P.Riley).
LeSean McCoy, running back: "They were having a hard time lining up. You can definitely know when a defense is tired, as they're going down you're hiking the ball. The tempo really worked. I don't think anyone has seen it that fast."
1-10-WAS 49 (11:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Brown left end to 50 for -1 yards (R.Kerrigan). WAS-C.Baker was injured during the play.
Mike Shanahan, Washington Head Coach: "That's why you get cramps. When the team has the ball as many plays as they do and guys are playing very hard, and with the heat out there and as much running as their doing, they do have cramps and that's why we had a couple of guys with cramps."
2-11-50 (10:46) (Shotgun) B.Brown left guard to WAS 45 for 5 yards (L.Fletcher; E.Biggers).
Chris B. Brown: "In some ways it's a fascinating game because it was so exciting for what it was, and then obviously I still look at it — promise unfulfilled is probably the wrong phrase because I don't think necessarily Chip needed to be the vehicle for all this stuff. It was just an exciting product ... From an Eagles perspective I guess it was disappointing, I imagine for most of the fans, because 'We thought we were ahead of the game,' and then it sort of petered out. But it took a whole season for things to start going that direction. Or a season and a half I guess."
3-6-WAS 45 (10:16) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick sacked at PHI 42 for -13 yards (R.Kerrigan).
Connor Barwin: "All I can remember is how excited we were on the sidelines in that second quarter. But even in that game, it wore off at the end. It was like, 'Holy s—, they're right back in this thing.'"
1-10-PHI 38 (8:17) (Shotgun) L.McCoy left end to PHI 45 for 7 yards (P.Riley).
LeSean McCoy: "Today is the first time a lot of guys in the locker room had fun. We couldn't wait to get back out there and have fun. I feel it, the whole first half we went up and down, up and down. I think there's obviously room for improvement, as far as closing the game out, penalties, turnovers, things like that; small things we can get over."
2-3-PHI 45 (7:46) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick left end pushed ob at 50 for 5 yards (B.Rambo).
PENALTY on PHI-E.Mathis, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PHI 45 – No Play.
Lane Johnson: "It was one of the funnest games of my career."
41(b). 2-13-PHI 35 (7:29) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short right to L.McCoy to PHI 40 for 5 yards (D.Hall; P.Riley).
Zach Ertz: "It was crazy. It was fun. Everything was going 1,000 miles an hour."
3-8-PHI 40 (6:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass short middle to D.Jackson to WAS 46 for 14 yards (D.Hall).
PENALTY on WAS-D.Hall, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at WAS 46.
Michael Vick: "I don't think you can get too much faster than that."
1-10-WAS 31 (6:32) (Shotgun) L.McCoy left end pushed ob at WAS 28 for 3 yards (B.Rambo).
LeSean McCoy: "Tons of fun. The thing is I feel like the type of players we have, so much speed, so much quickness, even the quarterback is an athlete. There's so much room and so much space to make plays. When you throw the ball to [Brent] Celek he's making plays, DeSean [Jackson] looks alive again, Mike [Vick] running and throwing the ball, then myself and Bryce Brown, so many different players to make plays in this type of offense."
2-7-WAS 28 (6:18) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass deep middle to B.Celek for 28 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
PHI 19 WAS 7, 5 plays, 62 yards, 1 penalty, 2:07 drive, 8:50 elapsed
Evan Mathis: "I was sitting on the bench next to Jason Kelce right before the half and I said, 'There goes one game.' He replied, 'Dude, don't say that.' He thought I meant we were up so much that we could count it as a win. To which I replied, 'I'm not saying the game is over, I'm saying we just ran a full game's worth of plays.' That half was fun but it wore us down too. If you take your time and watch that game, you'll see a lot of guys on both sides of the ball really start to slow down as the game progressed."
1-10-WAS 44 (4:11) (Shotgun) L.McCoy left end to WAS 36 for 8 yards (R.Kerrigan).
Lane Johnson: "We just didn't push the envelope like we did that game. Really, you can't do that at this level, push that envelope for 16 games and into the playoffs before somebody catches on to what you're doing."
2-2-WAS 36 (3:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick pass incomplete short right to D.Jackson [B.Cofield].
Chris B. Brown: "The pace was really fast, which I think the NFL made a concerted effort to slow down later, but that first game the officials were playing Chip's game and they were trying to get the ball lined up as fast as possible to let them rip off plays to take their advantage. I think the league and (former NFL VP of Officiating Dean) Blandino and (NFL Commissioner Roger) Goodell and those guys, they talked about it, how the officials controlled the game and it's sort of constructed for the TV product. They did this not just to (Kelly) but to Tom Brady, they did it to Peyton Manning, they were slowing the game down. But that game, it was pretty unleashed. They were marching down the field, they were throwing run-pass options, they were doing stuff that was straight out of Kelly's playbook from Oregon, and the big thing was we hadn't seen in the NFL a true ... run-first, up-tempo spread offense. You'd seen some read-options the year before, you'd seen some up-tempo from Tom Brady, but that was different and they were able to repeatedly get Washington out of gaps and get LeSean McCoy going for big yards. And that was just a different look."
3-2-WAS 36 (3:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy left end to WAS 24 for 12 yards (R.Kerrigan).
Mike Quick: "It caught everybody by storm. So every team in the league got tape then. I don't remember who we played the next week, but they got a chance to see that, they got a chance to start to gameplan for it. Even if you just go base defense, you know the alignments, you know your assignments. But in Washington, they had no idea. I remember the linebacker London Fletcher and I remember how tired he looked and how out of place he was. I remember the play-action stuff, he was completely lost. From a linebacker's spot, you don't turn around and make a complete circle in the middle of the defense, but that's what he did more than once."
1-10-WAS 24 (3:18) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy right guard to WAS 14 for 10 yards (L.Fletcher).
Chris B. Brown: "(Washington defensive coordinator Jim) Haslett clearly outthought himself. He talked a lot about how he watched every Oregon game, but he kind of outthought himself because the plan was just sort of goofy. The whole thing was he was playing a lot of quarters (coverage), so Chip could sort of do the things he likes to do where he manipulates the defenders in conflict, run-pass and all that, get them stretched out and then get the big running lanes, do the unbalanced and all those things."
1-10-WAS 14 (2:50) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Brown right tackle to WAS 8 for 6 yards (J.Wilson, L.Fletcher).
Cary Williams: "I've had my differences, but at the end of the day, when I look back in retrospect, for him to win 10 games in his first two seasons was, to me, was a feat. Especially in that division, when you have so much talent around the division. When you have veteran quarterbacks around the division that were known for winning. You had Tony Romo there, he's something special, and I don't know if he'll be a Hall of Famer, but he'll definitely be in the Cowboys (Ring of Honor). We had a bunch of different teams. The Giants, Eli (Manning), he's won two Super Bowls. Just thinking about that division and as a new coach you get 10 games, that's great. I mean, he'd never coached an NFL team, never had experience with an NFL team, you were coaching college guys."
2-4-WAS 8 (2:24) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Brown up the middle to WAS 6 for 2 yards (L.Fletcher; P.Riley).
Chris B. Brown: "I think I'd argue part of Chip's problem was as much as he didn't evolve and do different things, the NFL also came to him with the shotgun and the spread and some of the run concepts and all those other things. There's two ways to catch up with somebody. One is to figure it out and the other is just to start emulate it. I think that first half was not such a game-that-changed-the-game revolution, but it was sort of another turn in the turn the game had already been going in the last few years, which was the game we have more now, where teams are 70 percent in the shotgun and spread and up-tempo in a lot of ways, and all those things. It was just another notch in that direction."
3-2-WAS 6 (2:00) (Shotgun) L.McCoy right end to WAS 3 for 3 yards (L.Fletcher; B.Rambo).
Connor Barwin: "I learned a lot from (Kelly) in my time there. I think he did a lot of things right. I think he changed the league in a lot of ways. But obviously things didn't work out and I don't know what happened. All in all, I'm thankful to have played for him and wish we had won a little more games at the end. But I learned a lot from him."
1-3-WAS 3 (1:27) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.McCoy left guard to WAS 3 for no gain (B.Orakpo, P.Riley).
Chris B. Brown: "He went from being just a coach who did some interesting stuff to being this figurehead for all spread offense coaches anywhere. And then it went even beyond and he became the symbol of like forward-thinking in football ... which I think is unfair to anybody and certainly a second-year NFL coach who coached for four years in college."
2-3-WAS 3 (1:02) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Vick left guard for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
PHI 26 WAS 7, 9 plays, 44 yards, 3:13 drive, 14:02 elapsed
Chip Kelly, Head Coach: "I had a lot of fun tonight and I think our guys had a lot of fun, but you can always say that when you win."
the quote that sums up the chip era
QuoteEvan Mathis: "What if we had actually evolved and adapted instead of trying to do the same thing over and over?"
2nd best coach in the nfl behind BB
THIS MOTHERfargER WAS SO BAD AND 2 YEARS WE WON A SUPER BOWL
WHAT
I think what we may have witnessed over the last three games is Doug marrying his usual Andy Reid (with better play calling and clock management) offense with Chip's college style that Foles thrived in, and creating something the NFL could not develop an answer for in one month's time. Eager to go back and watch tape of this playoff run until I'm an old man.