Chip Kelly - Head Coach, Philadelphia Eagles

[Chameleon]

Since you accepted then reniged on a bet with me yesterday one would think I would have first crack at the poorly constructed wallet within your sweatpants.

[ice grillin you]

dio wont bet and if he does it wont be more than a hammy

no matter what the number is im betting the under doesnt matter if its with you or my bookie...so sure you can have a crack

[shorebird]

im not predicting 5-11 im saying they have as much chance at 5-11 as they do 11-5...maybe that chance is zero for both in your mind...which is fair...altho RIGHT NOW i think the odds are higher that they finish 5-11....

No rational mind thinks this. This is just igor hippoing in up.

[Rome]

A lot can happen between now and the start of the season.  Look at what happened to the Washington Nationals.  Everyone thought they were a shoo-in in 2013 and they bombed.   How many people thought the Falcons were going to totally implode after making the NFCCG last year?

I don't see the Eagles devolving the way the Falcons did but I'd be surprised if they were much better or worse than they are now.

If they went 8-8 because of major injuries it wouldn't surprise me.  If they went 12-4 and won the Super Bowl because they hit the jackpot in the draft and free agency and stayed healthy, it would shock the hell out of me.

They have major issues still on defense and as long as they have those issues they're not going to be legit contenders.

[ice grillin you]

yeah absolutely its early...if the eagles mop up in free agency and score a player or two in the draft who can start right away then things of course change

right now my theory is based on 1. the schedule 2. they cant be that healthy again 3. ebbs and flows in the nfl - how many times these days in the league do we see teams go from 4-12 to 10-6 or 11-5 to 5-11...ect...it happens all the time and imo right now the eagles are a prime candidate to do a flip mode like that

[ice grillin you]

jeff mcclane is saying that chip has more influence in the draft room than howie

[Zanshin]

Granted they did stay healthier than when they've had shtein luck in the past-- but I think losing Maclin was a huge loss, and even though it worked out, their starting QB missed multiple games. They had players on defense hurt, but those players sucked, so it didn't feel much like a loss. The big win was a relatively healthy year for the Oline.

[ice grillin you]

a "relatively" healthy offensive line?

% of snaps played by the o line starters this year

peters - 92%
mathis - 100%
kelce - 99%
herremans - 100%
lj - 99%

by any measure the eagles as a team had phenomenal health this year that will be virtually impossible to duplicate in any of the next five years much less next year

in fact the one significant injury they had was one that everyone was rooting for to happen so that the team could get better....that just doesnt ever happen

[Zanshin]

You basically said what I just said. Other than the Maclin injury being an important loss. Which it was.

[Zanshin]

...and I'd count Oline health as possibly the most important thing over QB, by the way. So, yeah, by that measure they were in good shape this year, for sure.

[ice grillin you]

well i was only talking about in season injuries

but if you wanna include maclin i think that points even more to their great health...cause if you count mini camps training camp and preseason games just losing mack during all that time is even more impressive

should also be noted that peters coming off multiple achillies tears was a pretty big quaetionmark and he played over 90% of the offensive snaps

it basically was a dream season on the injury front

[Zanshin]

Considering they lost Maclin after the draft and after free agency dried up, I don't see how you could not count that.

[ice grillin you]

oh i def count it....but he was the only significant injury from april to september....hes a nice player but nothing special and ill take that as my offseason injury list every year

and like i said if you wanna count the off and pre seasons that makes it even MORE impressive.....from april 1 to december 29 their only significant injury was jeremy macklin....thats astounding...in fact you can make the argument that the most impactful injury the eagles had all season was to a rookie fifth rounder

[Zanshin]

My point is, and I'm sure, your argumentative nature aside, you know this: they weren't unscathed. Overall, they had a healthy year, but it's not like they didn't have losses. The major losses, though, were the fortunate kind and the kind easy to overlook because of when they happened and who they happened to.

[Seabiscuit36]

Earl Wolffff being out hurt.  That meant more Patrick Chung time