Chip Kelly - Head Coach, Philadelphia Eagles

[ice grillin you]

its not about realizing anything....its about calling it like you see it on a case by case basis....not hating everything someone does because of their politics....I will criticize people I like and praise people i dont....i live in a world that is made up of shades of grey

and lol....hes a thousand times better than barman

Said this before but Rush Limbaugh could own the Eagles and bring them a championship and it wouldn't bother me. Politics mean dick in professional sports. Actually they mean less than dick. You put a championship team on the field and all that shtein is forgotten. And lol at you saying 'calling it like I see it on a case by case basis'...you're blind if you didn't see there was a problem 5 years ago with the Howie/Banner power struggle. Jeffy let that linger and it blew up. He's too passive to be an owner.

i only bring up the politics because 1) you constantly harp on him being a weenie liberal and 2) i cant imagine any other reason you would put him in a class with braman....braman is the worst owner in the history of philly sports and one of the worst ever in any sport

lurie is by and large a good owner...not great but better than most...so it has to be personal to lump him in with a braman

[MDS]

the windmills drive him nuts

so does allowing women to enter the linc

[SD]

lurie wants to win more than anything....he just doesnt know how

i guess because banner was always under the cap and came off like a caricature of a conniving penny pinching jew, everyone thinks lurie is cheap. he aint. he writes them checks. but he doesnt pick the players.

Of course he wants to win, but does someone who wants to win above all else give the keys to his franchise to guys like Banner and Roseman? Putting people like that in charge screams "make me money"...not "win me a championship". Show me another team that's had accountants running the show for the last decade. It's a disgrace. It's nice he writes checks, what a swell guy...Dan Snyder, Jerrah, and every large market team does too.

The Eagles are the 7th most valuable nfl franchise, behind them sits:
Bears
Niners
Ravens
Broncos
Colts
Packers
Steelers
Seahawks

All of those teams have won a superbowl(s) and with the exception of GB play in a large market. Yet the Eagles are more valuable because of the fans. ANY owner could have done what Lurie has done. He built a new stadium off tax payer dollars and his franchise is now worth $1.5 BILLION more than what he bought it for. 20 years and 1 superbowl appearance is pathetic.

[ice grillin you]

lurie wants to win more than anything....he just doesnt know how

i guess because banner was always under the cap and came off like a caricature of a conniving penny pinching jew, everyone thinks lurie is cheap. he aint. he writes them checks. but he doesnt pick the players.

Of course he wants to win, but does someone who wants to win above all else give the keys to his franchise to guys like Banner and Roseman? Putting people like that in charge screams "make me money"...not "win me a championship". Show me another team that's had accountants running the show for the last decade. It's a disgrace. It's nice he writes checks, what a swell guy...Dan Snyder, Jerrah, and every large market team does too.

The Eagles are the 7th most valuable nfl franchise, behind them sits:
Bears
Niners
Ravens
Broncos
Colts
Packers
Steelers
Seahawks

All of those teams have won a superbowl(s) and with the exception of GB play in a large market. Yet the Eagles are more valuable because of the fans. ANY owner could have done what Lurie has done. He built a new stadium off tax payer dollars and his franchise is now worth $1.5 BILLION more than what he bought it for. 20 years and 1 superbowl appearance is pathetic.

sf won the season he bought the team and the bears havent won one....a better and fair criticism would be that 13 teams have won a title since he took over

since lurie has taken over the birds rank in the top five in the nfl in wins...playoff app. and conf champ app.....only teams ahead of them have all won superbowls....the team has been good/very good but not great.....which mirrors lurie as an owner....good and better than most but not quite great

[SD]

I'm saying they won 'a' superbowl, which raises a franchises value. The 85 Bears are one of the most memorable teams ever and the Niners dynasty is second to none. They're iconic in nfl circles and raise a franchises overall value. Wins and playoff appearances were acceptable talking points the first 10 years, 20 years in and those days are long gone.

[MDS]

I'm saying they won 'a' superbowl, which raises a franchises value. The 85 Bears are one of the most memorable teams ever and the Niners dynasty is second to none. They're iconic in nfl circles and raise a franchises overall value. Wins and playoff appearances were acceptable talking points the first 10 years, 20 years in and those days are long gone.

i dont know why this became a debate about franchise values, but the 85 bears have absolutely nothing to do with the overall value of the franchise. they are the only nfl team in the 3rd biggest media market in the country, they play in a fairly updated stadium.....they are worth a ton. they could go 5-11 for 25 seasons and still sell for 4 billion. some rich dude somewhere will want to buy the chicago bears because they are the chicago bears, not because of what richard dent did in the 80's.

againn, lurie isnt cheap. handing over the reigns of the franchise to banner, andy, howie or chip isnt a financial decision. its him thinking this is what will help us win. are they the correct decisions? probably not.   

[SD]

The 85 Bears were maybe the most popular football team of all time. That SB increased the teams worth. My point in all of that is despite not winning crap the Eagles are still worth more than the Bears who've actually won something and who have also made an appearance in the SB since then. The Patriots were probably top 15 most valuable franchise before Belichick/Brady came along, now they're #2. Yes, winning championships = Higher franchise worth.

If handing the reigns over to Banner/Howie wasn't a financial decision then what the hell was it? Now he's handed them over to Chip because his hand was forced. He either went with Chip or he had Howie find him a new coach. There was no middle ground.

To put the Eagles ineptitude in perspective:

[General_Failure]

Man, you can tell this has been a long, awful offseason. Thank god we're almost through it now. Wait, is this still January? Farg.

[MDS]

The 85 Bears were maybe the most popular football team of all time. That SB increased the teams worth.

maybe for a few years? but thats ancient history now. anyway the forbes value list is utter nonsense. it has no bearing on the market or bidding for a team. the farging worthless clippers sold for 2 bills. the clippers. the only way to know if the eagles are worth more than the bears is for both to go on the market at the same time and see who is sold for more. the answer will be who gives a shtein.

The Patriots were probably top 15 most valuable franchise before Belichick/Brady came along, now they're #2. Yes, winning championships = Higher franchise worth.

sure? the patriots also built a state of the art stadium. 15 years ago they were playing in a dump. the washington pro team hasnt won anything in decades and are "worth" like the 3rd most or whatever. its not about how many super bowls you won 10 years ago. its about market size, stadium, merchandise sales and whatever other rich guy tax crap bla bla bla money.

If handing the reigns over to Banner/Howie wasn't a financial decision then what the hell was it? Now he's handed them over to Chip because his hand was forced. He either went with Chip or he had Howie find him a new coach. There was no middle ground.

he was making the decision he felt was right in order to win. it wasnt like "oh this is the cheapest route" or whatever. you can question how much sense it made, or if it was right, but lurie is not squeezing dollars.

[SD]

Lurie saw his 'business model' was making him moolah and went with the accountants rather than football guys. Why shake it up when his pockets are getting fat? He puts more money out than Braman but nfl revenue now compared to 20 years ago is night and day plus there's a cap. He'd be a fool not to invest in his on field product because the fans made him rich beyond his wildest dreams.

You know what, you guys are right, he' a good owner. Gold Standard in fact.

[Rome]

He's better than most but he lacks the killer instinct.  I don't think Kelly does, however.  Irish.

[ice grillin you]

I'm saying they won 'a' superbowl, which raises a franchises value. The 85 Bears are one of the most memorable teams ever and the Niners dynasty is second to none. They're iconic in nfl circles and raise a franchises overall value. Wins and playoff appearances were acceptable talking points the first 10 years, 20 years in and those days are long gone.

that happened before lurie took over....its meaningless in a discussion about how good of an owner he is

franchise value has almost nothing to do with wins or championships in any sport....clippers sold for two billion

[SD]

Clippers play in maybe the biggest basketball market in the world. Sure it's dominated by the Lskersbut they're still part of it. Wins/losses/legacy have plenty to do with franchise value. Please refer to the Green Bay Packers.

Again...Luries a gold standard owner

[ice grillin you]

Again...Luries a gold standard owner

definitely wouldn't go that far....id say hes somewhere btwn gold standard and braman but closer to GS

[Rome]

I'm pretty sure SD is being sarcastic in his gold standard references.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Windmills.