Season's over. Time to move on.
And more to the point, thanks Jimmy, Raul, Roy & Brad and best of luck to you in the future.
Moved from the other thread:
The Phillies only had one run in the last 17 innings of hitting. The slump-prone Phils offense hit one at exactly the wrong time. Not to sound Igy-ish, but that was probably bound to happen sometime during the playoffs. What pisses me off is that so many of the Phils seemed almost lackadasical - like winning the World Series was their birthright. They don't have the power to wait for the three-run homer anymore, but also don't have the personnel to play small ball. They're a powerless power team - and that's the part that will only get worse.
I wonder how much losing Davey Lopes hurt in that regard. I don't have hard numbers to back this up, but it just felt like the Phils actually ran less this year than they did last year. And, combined with the loss of power (yeah yeah, Werth didn't do much for the Nats this year, but he did hit 30 last year for the Phils, which weren't even partially replaced until the trade for Pence).
Utley had almost no pop in the last two months - a total of 3 HR since Aug. 1, and Howard's numbers remained nearly stagnant from last year, even though he missed more time. More troubling is that Howard's slugging was below .500 for the first time in his career. Without monstrous power, Howard sucks the life completely out of the lineup. His injury could be a blessing in disguise, only if it spurs His Smugness to actually look for a bat during the offseason (I can't say I'm optimistic of Amaro spending money on a bat - they'll cry luxury tax).
The Phils need some major changes in the lineup if they want to be in the mix next year. If Amaro stands pat, I may be on board Igy's Braves train next year - they really are up and coming if their young pitchers can continue to develop. I also see the Braves being aggressive in FA to fill in some of the holes in their lineup. I also think that the Nats may be an up and coming team, though probably not ready for next year. The Phils are losing Rollins (just a gut feeling, but I believe his Phils career is over), Oswalt (good riddance) and Ibanez. Polanco needs to be taken behind the barn and shot. Hamels needs a contract. Pence will be going into his FA year.
Utley will be another year older, and has had dwindling production the past several seasons, and was probably less than average offensively last year for second basemen. Can he rebound, or is this what we can expect from a 30-something second baseman? Howard is a statue and now may have a major injury. Depending on Howard's prognosis, the Phils have a lot of different targets they could go after in free agency - if they're willing to spend the money.
One thing: The proverbial window is definitely closing - how quickly will depend on the front office's actions this winter. Without some aggressive moves, it could already be closed.
As long as they have Roy, Cliff & Heidi they're going to contend. The sad thing is they had this monstrous lineup five years ago and the pitching sucked. Now they have great pitching and their lineup is aging faster than Joan Rivers' twat.
Regardless, I don't see how they're going to improve because their cap number is going to be enormous next year.
Basically they're going to be the 96-07 Braves for the next five years. Yay.
burn this thread with the rest of this pos team
Quote from: MDS on October 08, 2011, 03:31:21 PM
burn this thread with the rest of this pos team
yup....homer romey should be farging ashamed of himself for starting this....he can burn in hell too
Eskin reporting it is a torn achilles. MRI confirmed it. June return. Possibly May.
Carry on.
So there goes any chance of Choke fine tuning his swing this off season.
why are you replying to your own posts...and can someone lock this thread....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too soon
My farging anger is still smoldering from yesterday and probably will for awhile.
Goddamn chokers.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 08, 2011, 06:33:48 PM
So there goes any chance of Choke fine tuning his swing this off season.
Considering that he (and most of the rest of the Phillies) need more NOT swinging practice, he might be able to do some offseason work after all.
Is igy crying about the Phils being out of it even though he was the one predicting this since April?
Something ain't right. Todd turns on them in a New York minute, IGY acting like he's shocked when he's been predicitng their demise for 6 months.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2011, 06:40:04 PM
why are you replying to your own posts...and can someone lock this thread....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too soon
Aren't you supposed to be enjoying your vacation?
Potential Free Agents:
First basemen
Russell Branyan LAA
Jorge Cantu SD
Prince Fielder MIL
Brad Hawpe SD
Eric Hinske ATL *
Ross Gload PHI
Nick Johnson CLE
Derrek Lee BAL
Xavier Nady ARI
David Ortiz BOS
Lyle Overbay PIT
Carlos Pena CHC
Albert Pujols STL
Jim Thome MIN
Second basemen
Clint Barmes HOU
Willie Bloomquist ARI *
Orlando Cabrera CLE
Robinson Cano NYY *
Jamey Carroll LAD
Luis Castillo NYM
Alex Cora WAS
Craig Counsell MIL
Mark Ellis OAK
Carlos Guillen DET
Jerry Hairston Jr. WAS
nAaron Hill ARI *
Omar Infante FLA
Adam Kennedy SEA
Brandon Phillips CIN *
Shortstops
Yuniesky Betancourt MIL *
Ronny Cedeno PIT
Adam Everett CLE
Rafael Furcal STL
Alex Gonzalez ATL
Cesar Izturis BAL
Nick Punto STL
Edgar Renteria CIN
Jose Reyes NYM
Jimmy Rollins PHI
Ramon Santiago DET
Marco Scutaro BOS *
Jack Wilson SEA
Third basemen
Mark DeRosa SF
Edwin Encarnacion TOR *
Aramis Ramirez CHC
Miguel Tejada SF
Omar Vizquel CWS
Catchers
Rod Barajas LAD
Henry Blanco ARI
Ramon Castro CWS
Ryan Doumit PIT
Ramon Hernandez CIN
Gerald Laird STL
Jose Molina TOR
Yadier Molina STL *
Dioner Navarro LAD
Jorge Posada NYY
Ivan Rodriguez WAS
Brian Schneider PHI
Jason Varitek BOS
Outfielders
Bobby Abreu LAA *
Rick Ankiel WAS
Carlos Beltran NYM
Milton Bradley SEA
Pat Burrell SF
Coco Crisp OAK
Michael Cuddyer MIN
Jack Cust SEA
Johnny Damon TB
David DeJesus OAK
J.D. Drew BOS
Kosuke fargudome CHC
Jonny Gomes WAS
Vladimir Guerrero BAL
Scott Hairston NYM
Willie Harris NYM
Raul Ibanez PHI
Conor Jackson OAK
Austin Kearns CLE
Jason Kubel MIN
Ryan Ludwick SD
Hideki Matsui OAK
Nate McLouth ATL *
Jason Michaels HOU
Laynce Nix WAS
Magglio Ordonez DET
Juan Pierre CWS
Juan Rivera TOR
Cody Ross SF
Grady Sizemore CLE *
Nick Swisher NYY *
Marcus Thames LAD
Josh Willingham OAK
Starting Pitchers
Mark Buehrle CWS
Chris Carpenter STL *
Bruce Chen KC
Aaron Cook COL *
Justin Duchscherer OAK
Zach Duke ARI *
Freddy Garcia NYY
Jon Garland LAD *
Aaron Harang SD
Rich Harden OAK
Livan Hernandez WAS
Edwin Jackson STL
Scott Kazmir LAA
Hiroki Kuroda LAD
Paul Maholm PIT
Roy Oswalt PHI *
Brad Penny DET
Joel Pineiro LAA
CC Sabathia NYY *
Javier Vazquez FLA
Adam Wainwright STL *
Tim Wakefield BOS
Chien-Ming Wang WAS
Brandon Webb ARI
C.J. Wilson TEX
Chris Young NYM
Relief Pitchers
Miguel Batista STL
Matt Belisle COL
Heath Bell SD
Rafael Betancourt COL
Jonathan Broxton LAD
Tim Byrdak HOU
Todd Coffey WAS
Francisco Cordero CIN *
Juan Cruz TB
Octavio Dotel STL *
Kyle Farnsworth TB *
Mike Gonzalez BAL
LaTroy Hawkins MIL
Brad Lidge PHI *
Scott Linebrink ATL
Javier Lopez SF
Ryan Madson PHI
Damaso Marte NYY *
Joe Nathan MIN *
Hideki Okajima BOS
Darren Oliver TEX
Jonathan Papelbon BOS
Jon Rauch TOR *
Chris Ray TEX
Arthur Rhodes STL *
Fernando Rodney LAA
Francisco Rodriguez MIL *
George Sherrill ATL
Rafael Soriano NYY *
Koji Uehara BAL *
Jose Valverde DET
Kerry Wood CHC
Joel Zumaya DET
* denotes option
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I'm excited by all of the 3rd base options.
reyes and madson please
I can honestly say that I'd rather them lose with Jimmy than win with Reyes. I can't stand that punk ass cross dressing tranny. He's really good, but I just couldn't bring myself to cheer for that guy.
farg Reyes.
Do not want.
farg it, throw all of your money at Robinson Cano, move Utley to first. Then tell one of them to go struggle at 3rd when Howard comes back.
You can't defend that!
reyes is better than rollins in every aspect of the game, you just don't want him because he was a met...farg that
I've never liked him. Him being a Met doesn't help but I don't dig his soft batch attitude or his injury history. Wanna pay him $18M a year? No sir, don't like it.
The final straw was the bunt and pull himself out to secure the batting title. That's awful.
Bring Jimmy back.
Jimmy for 3? Definitely. Anymore is counterproductive.
Reyes will be too much for too long. With his injury history and attitudes, I don't think he'd be a good fit in Philly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 08, 2011, 07:27:40 PM
I've never liked him. Him being a Met doesn't help but I don't dig his soft batch attitude or his injury history. Wanna pay him $18M a year? No sir, don't like it.
The final straw was the bunt and pull himself out to secure the batting title. That's awful.
Bring Jimmy back.
This.
Of course I hate him because he's a Met, but that alone wouldn't prevent me from wanting the guy in Philly. It's everything Phreak mentioned along with the fact that the guy admitted that he doesn't always pay attention in the field. He's an idiot, he's hurt a lot, he has a soft mentality and he dresses like Dane Cook.
Out.
im with sarge...ill take a losing record before i ever let that tranny pos on this team
no team with jose reyes will EVER win anything
Howard obviously has a ruptured Achilles ; 6-12 months
Hamels to have surgery to remove loose bodies from his elbow + has an inguinal hernia
Hunter Gump has a sports hernia
Groundball Polanco has a sports hernia
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 08, 2011, 09:49:03 PM
Howard obviously has a ruptured Achilles ; 6-12 months
Hamels to have surgery to remove loose bodies from his elbow + has an inguinal hernia
Hunter Gump has a sports hernia
Groundball Polanco has a sports hernia
And just about everyone in that damn lineup has a case of notesticlesitis.
So basically, 3 players have some sort of hernia and the one who actually showed up is the one who is considered soft.
Polanco = Blaine Bishop
Also, apparently Howard's left ankle was bothering him for a while and he had bursitis.
Quote from: SunMo on October 08, 2011, 07:24:51 PM
reyes is better than rollins in every aspect of the game, you just don't want him because he was a met...farg that
lol @ you riding for jose reyes
he could hit .400 every year and it wouldnt make a difference. if that tranny is at SS instead of jimmy i am OUT. i would take david wright in a cocaine heartbeat, though.
Quote from: MDS on October 08, 2011, 11:43:57 PM
Quote from: SunMo on October 08, 2011, 07:24:51 PM
reyes is better than rollins in every aspect of the game, you just don't want him because he was a met...farg that
lol @ you riding for jose reyes
he could hit .400 every year and it wouldnt make a difference. if that tranny is at SS instead of jimmy i am OUT.
Damn, now I'm conflicted.
Jimmy or Reyes = no brainer
Reyes or Todd = conundrum
without me the phillies dont even exist
with reyes they are the 2009 mets
bullet wounds will stop this buffoonery
Please self-inflict them.
Ha!
http://philliesnation.com/archives/2011/10/the-futures-of-rollins-madson-dom-brown/
QuoteBrown has been jerked around by the organization — an organization that struggles with top prospects... it probably held Chase Utley and Ryan Howard back too long — but keeping him at Lehigh Valley for the majority of 2012 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. First off, Brown will likely outperform the competition and earn a call to the bigs in June or July. And secondly, if he produces in Triple-A like we all expect him to, not only will he be more ready for the majors but his trade value will increase should Amaro do the unthinkable and center a deal for a Matt Kemp-type around Brown.
Um, yes please.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Amaro-press-conference.html?
Pretty blunt on things other than negotiations with Jimmy and Madson. I'm sure Phreak will hate it.
Wants to adjust the offensive philosophy.
Is concerned about Grit's ability to stay healthy.
Would likely move Mayberry to 1st if Howard is out long term.
Will go outside the organization to get a closer if Madson leaves.
Jimmy said if he cannot get 5yrs then he wants 4 and a player option. Which means he's likely open to taking 3 and a player option.
Smugly McSmuggerson already started with his cliches. Makes me want to punch him when he says "get to the finish line"
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 11, 2011, 03:25:53 PM
http://philliesnation.com/archives/2011/10/the-futures-of-rollins-madson-dom-brown/
QuoteBrown has been jerked around by the organization — an organization that struggles with top prospects... it probably held Chase Utley and Ryan Howard back too long — but keeping him at Lehigh Valley for the majority of 2012 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. First off, Brown will likely outperform the competition and earn a call to the bigs in June or July. And secondly, if he produces in Triple-A like we all expect him to, not only will he be more ready for the majors but his trade value will increase should Amaro do the unthinkable and center a deal for a Matt Kemp-type around Brown.
Um, yes please.
Please pass the smelling salts as I just fainted.
As much fun as it is to hate Ruben he did answer questions today pertaining to what happened in the postseason, Rollins, Madson etc. He threw Cliff Lee under the bus without throwing him under the bus.
Jimmy ain't getting 5 years and if he does then I'm fine with him leaving. I think he leaves, Vic goes to lead off, and they sign a stop gap guy like Renteria
Quote from: SD on October 11, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
As much fun as it is to hate Ruben he did answer questions today pertaining to what happened in the postseason,
I didn't see or hear it, only read what's been published so I don't know if I'm getting everything, but I agree and thought that he was pretty open and honest with a lot of his comments. Didn't pull any punches and called out some of the problems that need fixing.
I wonder what would be the bigger hell for Phreak - being locked in a room listening to Reid pressers non stop or Amaro.
Theo Epstein is headed to the Cubs per ESPN.
Hellllllllllllllllllllllo, Tito?
last year as much as i knew they would fail i could understand the homerism and even i bought in when the playoffs started...but this year can we please not act like they have a chance of winning the world series.....they are a buch of inury riddled senior citizens whose window has shut.....so stop discussing what they can or cant do to win it all next year
Howard rides a Rascal around Whole Foods (http://mobile.philly.com/blogs/?wss=/philly/blogs/phillygossip/&id=131550858&deliver=iphone&c=y)
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 11, 2011, 08:04:50 PM
last year as much as i knew they would fail i could understand the homerism and even i bought in when the playoffs started...but this year can we please not act like they have a chance of winning the world series.....they are a buch of inury riddled senior citizens whose window has shut.....so stop discussing what they can or cant do to win it all next year
They have the talent to win the world series. They need to get playoff hot and work counts like they did in 08/09 to give themselves a chance. For a team that's already won the World Series you'd think they'd have the postseason mentality the minute it starts, but these guys sit on leads, don't work counts, and make little mistakes that come back to haunt them. Some teams (The Cardinals, last years Giants, 2008 Phils) flip a switch and it happens. Average guys like Ruiz/Ross/Theriot hit and that's a result of a team mentality and philosophy. Not to entirely blame Charlie but he puts too much confidence in his players abilities.
phifer and oswalt sucked in the playoffs....the offense is horrible and will ony get worse but the dirty little secret is that it much more than that...but if you didnt know better youd think the phillies only lost because of choke
We all know the real reason was LaRussa.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 11, 2011, 09:28:10 PM
We all know the real reason was LaRussa.
this particular series was very much because of larussa...just in that the way he has his team play is the worst possible match up for the phillies and how chuckles manages his team...larussa is a jedi master and chuckles is the karate kid
but in general i dont think it would have mattered who the phillies went against....they just were never winning the world series this year
He's exactly 9 months younger than Manuel. Conspiracy?
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 11, 2011, 09:32:56 PM
He's exactly 9 months younger than Manuel. Conspiracy?
i think the problem is that he seems like hes 30 years younger
Actual Victorino tweet from a few minutes ago:
QuoteJust gotta the biggest hug and kiss from the kids...Nothing better then family! Gonna enjoy some good sushi now....chow
Chow, indeed!
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 11, 2011, 09:38:03 PM
Actual Victorino tweet from a few minutes ago:
QuoteJust gotta the biggest hug and kiss from the kids...Nothing better then family! Gonna enjoy some good sushi now....chow
Chow, indeed!
sickening....after a gag job like that and more specifically a series like he had shouldnt there at minimum be a one week moratorium on tweets
Other than imitating Ronnie Brown on that one play, Vic didn't have a bad series. Hit over .300, scored twice, knocked in 2 and didn't have a k. Wasn't necessarily great, but wasn't terrible either.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 11, 2011, 09:38:03 PM
Actual Victorino tweet from a few minutes ago:
QuoteJust gotta the biggest hug and kiss from the kids...Nothing better then family! Gonna enjoy some good sushi now....chow
Chow, indeed!
He must have meant the motor scooter. Oh, poor Shane.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 11, 2011, 09:12:17 PM
phifer and oswalt sucked in the playoffs....
Hey. Oswalt only threw two bad pitches, they accounted for 4 runs but it was only two bad pitches. He'll tell you.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 11, 2011, 09:48:53 PM
Other than imitating Ronnie Brown on that one play, Vic didn't have a bad series. Hit over .300, scored twice, knocked in 2 and didn't have a k. Wasn't necessarily great, but wasn't terrible either.
broad stats dont tell the real story for him in that series.....if you remember he got most all his numbers in the game one blowout
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 11, 2011, 09:48:53 PM
Other than imitating Ronnie Brown on that one play, Vic didn't have a bad series. Hit over .300, scored twice, knocked in 2 and didn't have a k. Wasn't necessarily great, but wasn't terrible either.
No player in baseball disguises his laziness better than the flyin' hawaiian.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2011, 08:35:58 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 11, 2011, 09:48:53 PM
Other than imitating Ronnie Brown on that one play, Vic didn't have a bad series. Hit over .300, scored twice, knocked in 2 and didn't have a k. Wasn't necessarily great, but wasn't terrible either.
broad stats dont tell the real story for him in that series.....if you remember he got most all his numbers in the game one blowout
He got about half of them in game 1, but still picked up a few hits during the rest of the series. I'm just saying is the guy wasn't an albatross at the plate like most others were.
he was awful lazy and didnt seem to care and his tweet shows it.....if you are gonna tweet within two weeks of that disgrace then it better be an apology for losing.....otherwise shut the farg up and go away
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2011, 09:56:16 AM
he was awful lazy and didnt seem to care and his tweet shows it.....if you are gonna tweet within two weeks of that disgrace then it better be an apology for losing.....otherwise shut the farg up and go away
I am still pissed at his rolling into second standing up when he hit that ball down the right field line that kind of bounced around the corner. He's supposedly the fastest guy on the team and in that kind of game he needs to be at third.
He lands at third with 1 out, ibanez doesn't get those high breaking pitches to pop out, he gets something lower to drive. Game 5 was over right there because he was lazy.
hes always been a jughead but ever since they won the world series his enthusiasm and care factor has gone away...and yeah hes gotten just plain lazy and just kind of wings it out there and whatever happens happens
the Phils hired Orioles Dir of Amateur Scouting Joe Jordan to replace Chuck LaMar. He also worked for the late-90s/early-00s Expos and had 2 years w/ the Marlins
The Orioles? Smart choice considering how successful they've been at building winners.
27th out of 30 ranking currently.
Awesome.
its the george costanza method.. select the opposite of everything this guy suggests.
Quote from: charlie on October 12, 2011, 10:21:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2011, 09:56:16 AM
he was awful lazy and didnt seem to care and his tweet shows it.....if you are gonna tweet within two weeks of that disgrace then it better be an apology for losing.....otherwise shut the farg up and go away
I am still pissed at his rolling into second standing up when he hit that ball down the right field line that kind of bounced around the corner. He's supposedly the fastest guy on the team and in that kind of game he needs to be at third.
He lands at third with 1 out, ibanez doesn't get those high breaking pitches to pop out, he gets something lower to drive. Game 5 was over right there because he was lazy.
I thought the same thing after he it, but the replay clearly showed the ball hit the back wall and basically moved to the right about a foot. The ball was not rolling in the corner.
Quote from: reese125 on October 12, 2011, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: charlie on October 12, 2011, 10:21:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2011, 09:56:16 AM
he was awful lazy and didnt seem to care and his tweet shows it.....if you are gonna tweet within two weeks of that disgrace then it better be an apology for losing.....otherwise shut the farg up and go away
I am still pissed at his rolling into second standing up when he hit that ball down the right field line that kind of bounced around the corner. He's supposedly the fastest guy on the team and in that kind of game he needs to be at third.
He lands at third with 1 out, ibanez doesn't get those high breaking pitches to pop out, he gets something lower to drive. Game 5 was over right there because he was lazy.
I thought the same thing after he it, but the replay clearly showed the ball hit the back wall and basically moved to the right about a foot. The ball was not rolling in the corner.
I know, but the RF anticipated a bounce that never happened and had to play it differently than anticipated taking him off his alignment a bit. At the very least Samuel should have seen this. It would have taken an absolutely perfect throw to get him out at third. It's a chance you have to take in a game like that. It's a chance that victorino would have taken 4 years ago.
Choke had his surgery today. Complete tear of the Achilles. 5-6 mo recovery per Rube.
I wonder why Utley hasn't gone under the blade yet? He'll wait till February until the season gets good and close to starting. After all, games in April & May don't count, amirite?
this year they didnt
Quote from: Rome on October 12, 2011, 06:57:08 PM
I wonder why Utley hasn't gone under the blade yet? He'll wait till February until the season gets good and close to starting. After all, games in April & May don't count, amirite?
Surgery won't do him any good because he can't grow new cartilage. It's an injury he's stuck with for the rest of his career.
This team needs an entire new infield.
since they plan on starting hof brown in AAA that means they also need a right fielder. and since victorino is the only possible player they can trade, he might go, too.
also they have no money. also the heart and soul in jimmy might go. also choke is beyond damaged good and is just starting his 5 year extension. also utley is a waste of space.
also....farg this team.
Quote from: SD on October 12, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: Rome on October 12, 2011, 06:57:08 PM
I wonder why Utley hasn't gone under the blade yet? He'll wait till February until the season gets good and close to starting. After all, games in April & May don't count, amirite?
Surgery won't do him any good because he can't grow new cartilage. It's an injury he's stuck with for the rest of his career.
Send him to Korea for some stem cells?
I can't believe this thread exists already. Blow this thread up with everyone inside.
Quote from: MDS on October 12, 2011, 09:37:12 PM
since they plan on starting hof brown in AAA that means they also need a right fielder. and since victorino is the only possible player they can trade, he might go, too.
also they have no money. also the heart and soul in jimmy might go. also choke is beyond damaged good and is just starting his 5 year extension. also utley is a waste of space.
also....farg this team.
Don't they actually need a left fielder?
Yes^^^^ and lol at them not having any money. They have roughly $40 million coming off the books. Maybe they don't go out and sign the biggest f/a on the market but there's enough money to add some players. This is no longer the nickle and dime Phillies, they've sold out over 200 games and have the added revenue of playoff games from the last 5 seasons.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 12, 2011, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 12, 2011, 09:37:12 PM
since they plan on starting hof brown in AAA that means they also need a right fielder. and since victorino is the only possible player they can trade, he might go, too.
also they have no money. also the heart and soul in jimmy might go. also choke is beyond damaged good and is just starting his 5 year extension. also utley is a waste of space.
also....farg this team.
Don't they actually need a left fielder?
Are you questioning Toddrick?
man i just served one into FF's wheelhouse and he didnt miss it
I am broxton (power pitcher), he is stairs (drunk canadian always lookin to jack one) cept i aint scurred of comin back
Conlin suggested moving MAAAyberry to 3rd - not sure I see him making that switch.
Go get a LF (new guy - Bonehead - Goofball)
Get a real utility guy who can step in at 3rd should Polanco not be able to recover enough.
Get a real backup catcher to take the load off Ruiz more
Who is do you want as a closer?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 12, 2011, 11:01:04 PM
Get a real utility guy who can step in at 3rd should Polanco not be able to recover enough.
Get a real backup catcher to take the load off Ruiz more
Who is do you want as a closer?
That would be Wilson Valdez. He ain't great at the plate, but he can play nearly every position in the infield, including relief pitcher.
Serious question - How many teams have a "real" backup catcher?
Resigning Madson should be priority #1a. If he walks, then they have to go after Bell, Cordero, or (gasp) Paplebon. Maybe K-Rod as a dark horse but I don't want him....he doesn't seem to have the "it" factor anymore that he had in Anaheim.
lol @ a real backup catcher. what is that. is brian schneider a fake backup catcher? im confused
lol @ "should polanco not recover." unless you invent a time machine, polanco aint recovering.
Polanco will recover just fine. Problem is that just like this year, he'll be toast by the AS break.
Quote from: SD on October 12, 2011, 10:38:30 PM
Yes^^^^ and lol at them not having any money. They have roughly $40 million coming off the books. Maybe they don't go out and sign the biggest f/a on the market but there's enough money to add some players. This is no longer the nickle and dime Phillies, they've sold out over 200 games and have the added revenue of playoff games from the last 5 seasons.
its not that they dont have money they dont have money that can help them....they have money to possibly replace stuff they are gonna lose or re up what they have....so at best if their moves work out they go in with the same quality team as last year except that all the 30+ year olds are a year older and choke is done
the window is shut...they will be competitive next year but winning the world series is out of the question and in fact missing the playoffs is a much more likely result than winning a title
i wont go that far since baseball is so random but their chances arent very good
they had their shot and they blew it. farg 2012.
you think next year they have a better chance of winning it all than missing the playoffs?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2011, 01:12:58 AM
you think next year they have a better chance of winning it all than missing the playoffs?
Barring a long term injury to the starting rotation, I'll say yes. Look at it like this.....to win the WS, it's the Phils vs the field. 1 in 30 chance. To win the division it's 1 in 5. And that's not including the wild card, which would probably put them around a 1 in 8 chance. So yeah, the Phils have a better chance to win it all than they do not making the playoffs at all.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2011, 01:12:58 AM
you think next year they have a better chance of winning it all than missing the playoffs?
look the cardinals are terrible and they might win it this year. its not like hoops or football where you can say oh they dont have the talent and it cant happen.
but with their pitching still presumably what it is and with the nl east still being rather zesty....i mean they are still a playoff contender and therefore "have a shot" though most likely their disgustingly old and slow lineup will be finished by august.
It is all about the pitching staying healthy and the bats getting hot at the right time. Unfortunately, the 2011 team had mediocre offense more often than not, so the odds of going on a tear against the stellar Cards was... meh.
Just don't see how next year's team actually has a chance to be better.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 13, 2011, 06:09:15 AM
It is all about the pitching staying healthy and the bats getting hot at the right time. Unfortunately, the 2011 team had mediocre offense more often than not, so the odds of going on a tear against the stellar Cards was... meh.
Just don't see how next year's team actually has a chance to be better.
They don't have to be better. They need to be younger, a little more unpredictable... and losing a bunch of dead weight this offseason will help them with that.
Quote from: MDS on October 13, 2011, 01:48:39 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2011, 01:12:58 AM
you think next year they have a better chance of winning it all than missing the playoffs?
look the cardinals are terrible and they might win it this year. its not like hoops or football where you can say oh they dont have the talent and it cant happen.
but with their pitching still presumably what it is and with the nl east still being rather zesty....i mean they are still a playoff contender and therefore "have a shot" though most likely their disgustingly old and slow lineup will be finished by august.
cardinals have larussa.....the guy is a magician...in fact if theres one thing that could help the phillies it would be to get a new manager than can inject some life in the team....the pitching is due for a regression simply because of age...the lineup is pathetic with no real help on the way...im not saying blow it all up you obviously cant do that but this was the last year of the window being wide open....its now headed in the other direction...the question is how fast
I agree with the new manager. They wouldn't fire manual though, not this offseason.
Larussa is a farging nimrod.
Quote from: charlie on October 13, 2011, 12:04:24 PM
I agree with the new manager. They wouldn't fire manual though, not this offseason.
yeah hes definitely finishing out his deal...but they are so complacent and comfortable right now....charlie was ok for this team when they still were self motivated and hungry.....but now they need someone who is their manager not their friend
im not sure what a new manager does, that shtein is really overrated.
what they need are better, younger players. and thats not really possible.
a new manager maybe gets the most out of these guys for one more year and they make a run....shtein larussa somehow does it every year with far less talent...im sure the phillies can find someone to do it for one year...maybe it helps maybe it doesnt but its better than another year with charlie where you know what you are gonna get.....again not gonna happen i only point it out because its the one area of the team they could greatly improve over the winter
Joe Torre was a mediocre manager with mediocre players and a great manager with great players.
pretty sure joe torre is a great manager period
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/Torre.gif)
Exactly 1 first-place finish in 14 seasons before he got to the Yankees.
igy's view on managers is interesting to say the least.
Getting rid of Charlie would be dumb and unnecessary.
i wouldnt call that mediocre or great....whats in between. good? alright? solid?
that.
Since there were only 2 divisions during most of that 14 year period, 1st place finishes were harder to come by, so it's harder to compare division finishes then to now. However, only 5x did he finish with a record above .500, which in the pre-wild card era was kind of a consolation prize to not winning the division. It's kind of like judging CBB coaches on tourney appearances. So 5 seasons above .500 in 14 years is not very good. He also had 2 seasons where his teams finished below .400 (the 1981 season was still around .390 when you combine both halves). That's 100 loss territory and good managers don't explore that territory no matter how bad the players are. Great managers only recognize .300 as a potential batting avg, not winning percentage.
That's mediocre at best. I think he's a better manager than that now, but still not great.
My offseason prediction: The Phillies trade Dom Brown + to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp. They sign Kemp to an extension, let Jimmy walk, and sign a veteran replacement. Possibly a guy like Edgar Renteria.
Anyone saying "they can't afford Kemp, if you take into consideration Jimmy will probably get $13 million per season then subtracting him and adding Kemp would only be a difference of $5-7 million per year. The Phillies can afford that.
Depends on how much they give Pence and Hamels. After Pence, Hamels, and Madson....you could be looking at roughly 10-13 mil before they're at their "cap"
The Phillies supposed 'cap' is imaginary. Every year it's gone up since 2008. They're not bringing the same team back from last season because that team couldn't get it done to begin with. They'll bring a fresh face in here just like other big budget teams (Yanks/Red Sox) do. They have the fan support which means they have the cash to spend.
I just don't know if Monty and the gang are going to be willing to go over the luxury tax line
Quote from: Munson on October 14, 2011, 09:42:08 PM
I just don't know if Monty and the gang are going to be willing to go over the luxury tax line
i think they will if they think they can recoup the luxury tax money through profits.
If Ruben is as crafty as he thinks he is he can find a way to make it work. The luxury cap has raised every season, last season it was raised $6 million (from $172 million to $178 million) so I'm sure this season they'll follow suit. The Phillies have over $50 million coming off the books. I know Cliff Lee's contract goes up $14 million and Howard's deal raises $5 million plus Hamels and Pence are in need of extra money but there's wiggle room there to make it work. I agree with munson in that I don't think they'll go over the luxury cap limit.
lol @ dom brown for matt kemp
jesus
Quote from: MDS on October 15, 2011, 01:37:52 AM
lol @ dom brown for matt kemp
jesus
I guess you missed the + sign you dirty jew. And the Dodgers are in financial trouble, so why wouldn't they take one of the top ranked prospects + for Kemp?
dom browns stock has falling thru the basement and mlb runs the dodgers now....this isnt the devil rays we are talking about...bud selig will not let the dodgers just give away an mvp candidate
Rube isn't moving Dom during the offseason. There was an article I posted earlier in this thread where he talked about wanting to give Brown a full year's worth of at bats in Triple A. Now will he stick to that and keep Brown in the minors that long? I doubt it. If he's tearing it up around mid-season then he either has to bring him up and see how he does or work a trade.
And Matt Kemp almost certainly isn't going anywhere before the season starts either.
However, a potential trade sometime next year could be Brown and Victorino (and maybe a throw in from AA or A) for Kemp. I like Victorino despite his stupidity, but yeah, I'd be all over that trade in a heart beat.
i dont care what the current financial situation is the dodgers are not trading a 27 year old mvp candidate who has very few statiscal comparisons in mlb and a franchise cornerstone for shane victorino and HOF....they arent the astros....if kemp is dealt and i highly doubt he is he is going for over market value
i fully expect him to be extended this offseason
You may be right on Kemp's trade value, he could fetch more than HOF/Vic/throw in. It's pure speculation at this point.
I think you're dead wrong on him being extended during the offseason though. I don't see MLB making any long term commitments to players for a franchise that they don't control long term. If they are able to force McCourt to sell the team, a new $100mil deal for Kemp could scare of potential buyers.
As a fan that probably doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't someone want to buy a franchise that has one of the games best young players locked up long term? But I'm sure there's a lot of businessmen out there who would look at it strictly from a dollars and cents perspective and not want to buy a franchise that automatically comes with a $100mil debt.
kemp would be one of the reasons new owners would want the team...the dodgers are a money making machine not in frank mccourts hands so a big deal to one of the best players in the game is not a worry at all to a potential buyer...
ned colletti has said they have the money and intend on signing him this offseason and kemp has said he doent wanna leave
i dont think its a mortal lock but probably 80% he resigns with LA...i think the bigger questionmark is andre eithier
Eithier is all but done in LA imo. There's a vibe going around Chavez Ravine that Eithier kind of quit on them during the year. He wasn't very productive, had injury problems, etc, etc. I'd take him in LF.
oh i didnt hear anything about him quitting...i was going on the obvious fact that if monotarily someone has to go its obviously him way before kemp
Yeah, even without the whole "quitting" thing, if you had to pick between the 2 you're going to take Kemp every time. Some light drama started with him early in the season, maybe even still during spring training that revolved around some comments he made about being a free agent next year and that he expected this year to be his last in LA. Things kind of snowballed from there and other than the early season hitting streak he had to start the year, he didn't really produce very much. His numbers, especially hr and rbi have been on the decline over the last couple of years. And he's only played more than 141 games 3x in his career (07-09). You could almost make the argument that when the team isn't very good, he's not getting on the field as often as he could or should.
Still, he's 29 so if the Phils offered him 3 years/$24mil with some incentive clauses (or something in that ballpark) and he took it, I'd probably be good with that.
so during this phillie golden age the texas rangers and san franciso giants are going to have as many titles as the fightins
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 15, 2011, 11:43:46 PM
so during this phillie golden age the texas rangers and san franciso giants are going to have as many titles as the fightins
The Rangers already have as many trips to the WS.
I wonder if Texas fans are mocking Cliff Lee?
I'm gonna catch flak for posting this but Mike Miss hits the nail on the head with this Rollins article. I'm as big of a Rollins fan as there is but he's dead on accurate when he talks about his attitude. And I know there are a ton of Phillies fans who are douchebags but I never understood his resentment towards them. Is he too sensitive? I think that's part of the problem. He's definitely not underappreciated and the fans worship him.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20111016_Phillies__Rollins_deluded_on_five-year_contract.html?cmpid=131298144
I still say he's a goner, they trade for an outfielder, then sign a stop gap guy at SS.
Realistically I think he probably goes too. But I'm not gonna believe it until I see it and until then, I'm just going to keep hoping that he and Rube are able to hash it out and come to an agreement that's mutually beneficial.
Then they can go the opposite route of what you suggested and sign a stop gap LF and either wait for HOF to finally be ready or make a move for a full time player.
What's the word on Galvis in the minors? I'm pretty sure I've seen his name pop up here a few times, but I'm also pretty sure I've seen it accompanied by a bunch of lols.
Galvis isn't ready. I think they're going to do something to shake up the lineup. It's beyond stale at this point and aging fast. I think they make a play for Kemp and let Rollins walk. They can't let Rollins walk, replace him with a stop gap SS, then do nothing else. That's not how they operate.
If the OF that they acquire is Kemp, then watching Jimmy leave would be bitter sweet. Just about any other scenario where he leaves would simply be bitter.
I know Galvis isn't ready, otherwise you wouldn't have suggested that they sign a stop gap for 2012. And Mikey Miss mentioned in the article that 2013 is the target to bring him up. I know nothing about the dude though other than the fact that he's basically the Phils' top SS prospect and heir apparent to Jimmy's throne. But like I said, I've seen his name on the board a few times but from the comments others have made about him, it didn't seem like there was a lot of hope in him being a legit ML player.
So what's the scouting report on him? Does he look legit?
Quote from: SD on October 16, 2011, 11:13:23 AM
I'm gonna catch flak for posting this but Mike Miss hits the nail on the head with this Rollins article. I'm as big of a Rollins fan as there is but he's dead on accurate when he talks about his attitude. And I know there are a ton of Phillies fans who are douchebags but I never understood his resentment towards them. Is he too sensitive? I think that's part of the problem. He's definitely not underappreciated and the fans worship him.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20111016_Phillies__Rollins_deluded_on_five-year_contract.html?cmpid=131298144
I still say he's a goner, they trade for an outfielder, then sign a stop gap guy at SS.
All due respect, but I disagree.
Mike seems to front the article on him being vehement on demanding 5yrs or 4yrs and his option. As someone who has to negotiate his radio deals I am sure he knows you never give leverage away. Never. If Jimmy goes out and says publicly that he will accept a hometown discount or says 3yrs is all he wants then he has backed himself into a corner.
If he says "yeah I will take a hometown discount" and then doesn't re-sign and goes somewhere else for 3yrs $36M he becomes a target for anger from people who think he pulled the wool over. But what if the Phils only offered 2yrs $24> or something like that? The Phils would never let out they lowballed. Jimmy becomes looked at as greedy.
Secondly I don't see the fan resentment angle. Because he said he wouldn't change his game?? I wouldn't either. And its not up to US to decide if he should change. Its the coaches and organization. So when a reporter says why don't you change because we all think you should - whats he supposed to say?
What other issues has he had with the fans? That he said it was too quiet in the stadium? It was.
A few years ago that the fans were front-runners? A generalized statement but lets be honest - alot of front runners have popped up.
And it should be give and take. The fans go on MBs, talk radio and in the stadium and boo the guy when he does his pop ups or hack jobs. They ripped him pre-2007 relentlessly for not being a true leadoff guy.
So if people can dish (fans) then they should be able to take. I like that he jabs back.
his front runner comment was incredibly ahead of its time
and lol at a hometown discount...maybe you do that if the franchise you play for is strapped for cash...but he sees the third largest payroll in the majors and players around him getting huge deals for not having accomplished near what he has in a phils uniform....i wouldnt take a discount either
I didn't say he said that, that he should say that or anything like that.
What I meant was what else is he supposed to say other than he wants maximum years and dollars? He shouldn't say anything else publicly. IF he said something about a hometown discount and then ended up leaving then it would be bad.
jimmy can say and do what he feel
people seem to forget who he be
Where oh where can they find a mid-30's shortstop with diminishing skills and a history of nagging injuries? Yeah, everywhere.
Apparently Jayson Werth is trying to recruit Madson for DC.
drew storen sign and trade plz tx
Or sign Heath Bell.
Better.
and pujols
and trade for ryan braun
and matt kemp
and sign cliff lee
choke and utely have years left on untradable contracts and are essentially done as players
everyone else is old
the system is hurting
no one cares anymore they got their series
they went for it all this year...which was the correct and commendable thign to do..but it didnt work out....and now the downward spiral begins
gonna be pretty ugly watching the braves and nats take over this division for the next half dozen years
farg life
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2011, 07:31:11 AM
choke and utely have years left on untradable contracts and are essentially done as players
everyone else is old
the system is hurting
no one cares anymore they got their series
they went for it all this year...which was the correct and commendable thign to do..but it didnt work out....and now the downward spiral begins
gonna be pretty ugly watching the braves and nats take over this division for the next half dozen years
farg life
You've been singing this same song and dance since 2009. They'll make the playoffs next season (I got a $50 spot on it if you're in) then after that who knows what happens. Nobody thought the Giants would win it last season and nobody saw the Cards winning it this season. Truth is they have just as good of a shot to win it all next season as they did this season.
they could make the playoffs next year but no chance they are better than this year....everyone gets a year older...doesnt mean the whole team will at once but its pretty damn close to it...GRIT is basically done with his knee as is choke...not because of injury but just because hes getting older and his numbers go down with each and every year....the injury only makes this happen at a much faster and steeper pace...their offense was a joke this year....next year its going to be a trainwreck
lets say lee is still good next year but halladay takes a big step backwards as hes bound to do...or vice versa maybe phifer starts to fall off...chooch is completely done he will get exponentially worse next year...polanco done...brandead just doesnt care anymore and hes not that good to begin with....jimmy probably gone but even if not age is fading him...the bullpen will be filled with kids
you also have a manager who is getting tuned out....yeah hes still liked but no one cares about winning for him and certainly dont listen to him anymore...and really thats all he had to begin with as he is not good strategically
but i guess HOF could become josh hamilton and everyone else will miraculously get younger and healthier...but i dont see that happening...all you need to know about this team is that resinging raoul ibanez is an actual consideration right now
will they be third behind the nats and braves NEXT year....probably not...they will still beat up on weak teams in the regular season and get their wins probably....but theres easily as much chance of them coming in third in the division as there is them winning a playoff series
2011 was THE year...that was the peak...except a blizzard came and wiped out half the climbers and the rest had to turn around before reaching the top.....the descent down the mountain now begins...the only question is how quickly does it happen
Stop fishing already. No one is biting anymore.
of course homers wont believe....faith is a powerful thing....as much as it hurts to do...im just trying to introduce logic and reality into the equation
the fact that so many people think this year was a fluke and had they just beat the cardinals they would have won the world series speaks volumes
eventually you will be right about their downfall.
its not a matter of eventually it started last year against the giants...an argument could have been made then that it should have run its natural course....but amaro tried to go the other way and fight it by signing cliff lee....cant fault him for that and if they had pulled it off this year it would have been worth it...but with every year that passes since last year its going to get worse...the question again is how much
last year they were exposed in the nlcs this year in the nlds...in 2012 do they:
win the division again but with less wins and a closer race and lose in the nlds
get in via the wildcard
miss the playoffs altogether
the answer will tell you how fast this fall is happening
Your insistence on forecasting doom whenever talk turns to the future of the team is outright clownish.
The 2011 World Series hasn't even started and you're ready to put a shovel to the 2012 Phillies. It's tiresome and ridiculous and pretty much everyone here is sick of it, Havas.
umad?
i am too but that doesnt mean you cant realistically look at the future
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2011, 08:21:09 AM
of course homers wont believe....faith is a powerful thing....as much as it hurts to do...im just trying to introduce logic and reality into the equation
the fact that so many people think this year was a fluke and had they just beat the cardinals they would have won the world series speaks volumes
you're like the Foxnews of Phillies fans only much worse
Lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2011, 07:31:11 AMno one cares anymore they got their series
I'm not gonna take the bait on that whole post, but just wanted to point out that if Rollins, Madson and Lidge leave, the only players remaining from that '08 team will be Howard, Utley, Ruiz, Victorino, Hamels, Blanton and Kendrick, so you can't use the "oh they're not hungry anymore" excuse...
Why is chooch "completely done"? He put up his usual numbers, just didn't have a good October like he did the few seasons before.
Nevermind...continue the fishing
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 18, 2011, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2011, 07:31:11 AMno one cares anymore they got their series
I'm not gonna take the bait on that whole post, but just wanted to point out that if Rollins, Madson and Lidge leave, the only players remaining from that '08 team will be Howard, Utley, Ruiz, Victorino, Hamels, Blanton and Kendrick, so you can't use the "oh they're not hungry anymore" excuse...
considering you just named half their lineup which is by far the issue with this team and didnt mention the manager does not make me feel better
if they go
c ruiz, 1b choke, 2b grit, ss renteria, 3b polanco, lf aaaberry, cf vic, rf pence....then its over
that lineup is god awful
yup....one thing i will say is that i leave open the (very small) possibility of them making some power moves and revamping the lineup...and if they do that then i reserve the right to reevaluate...but the way it appears headed is not good for a world series title
problem is utley and howard cannot be traded. no one is taking on a penny of their terrible deals.
what they need to do is trade victorino and go younger and faster in both lf and cf.
then eat polancos salary and get someone below 30 in here to play 3b
then resign jimmy because hes god
also charlie needs to get his old wrinkled cock out of utleys and howards asses and move them down in the order cause it aint be 2007 no more
I'm hopeful that Rube will make improvements in the off season. He's done it every year and at every trade deadline since he took over, so I can't imagine him sitting still or just bringing role players or 1 yr rentals.
Howard is my biggest concern for next year. Torn left achilles not only keeps him out nearly half of the year, but who says that he's going to be able to hit for power when he does get back? That left ankle is the foundation for his power. It all pretty much starts right there and is supporting his entire body on every swing. So even if he's healthy enough to play, that doesn't mean he's going to have all the strength back below the waist. Could be looking at a lot of deep fly balls next year. Dude better learn how to hit for average.
The biggest impediment to making moves is the owners' willingness to accept luxury tax for exceeding the "cap." I don't have much faith that they will do so, but we'll see.
Cheap FO!
one thing that at least for a second gets me out of my post phillies collapse funk is when i think about smugmaro putting together the greatest roation in history and then him watching one team make the world series by having their bullpen pitch more innings in the nlcs than their starters and another team making it without having a single starter go more than six innings the entire post season
I know Rube is smug but I really don't get the hate from some people. He's not like the Eagles regime who signs/drafts scrubs and feeds us a load of crap about how they "fit the system" and all the other bs. He's also pretty candid when talking to the media, which I appreciate. Yeah, they've come up embarrassingly short the last 2 years but there's not much you can do other than assemble the best possible team and hope they perform come Oct.
some people = me and phreak
still not get it?
SNY Mets reporter says the Phils are in on Reyes (http://www.metsblog.com/2011/10/19/110643/)
Hopefully to drive the price up and not to sign him.
replacing jimmy with that faggy tranny will be the ultimate test of phillies fandom
on the surface its a divoraceable move. but on a baseball note obviously reyes is a superior player. but from a logistical standpoint reyes is a twat who only cares about his stats, dances around when he hits a solo homer in may, and is most likely getting banged by dudes under the freeway.
meanwhile jimmy is a legend and shuttering him out of town for reyes is an insult. i dont know. i dont want to think about it.
im pretty sure i wouldnt watch a single game next year if that happened
imagine your favorite baseball player of all time getting swapped out for you most hated player of all time....its def more than i could handle
It's how the dog-loving McNabb fans felt
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 19, 2011, 01:18:45 PM
It's how the dog-loving McNabb fans felt
except in that case they were getting rid of the douchebag not acquiring him
so really it was how peta felt
where is sunny cakes to come in here and jerk off to reyes
donde es
It gives me a brain cramp to try and reconcile this. My thinking is that they are both driving up the market on Reyes and the hometown discount from Jimmy at the same time, and I will just cover my ears and pretend it's not happening until they actually sign someone.
If all it would take for IGY to stop watching the Phillies was them signing Reyes, well...
GET REYES!
:boo
Get Kemp
Reyes + Kemp = dream team?
Just got this email from the Phillies (http://view.ed4.net/v/BCF2RQ/XBOSCG/3CPGIF9/ODBR3J/MAILACTION=1&FORMAT=H?partnerId=ed-5400760-228357380).
farg you, iceholes.
seriously...go to hell...too soon
I'll admit that it does kind of sting that I'll be in Dallas on business early next week and could have gone to see the Phillies in the World Series at the Ballpark in Arlington. Maybe urinated on the statue of the guy who fell over the railing. But instead, I'll just be drinking in the hotel bar.
love it. all in on REYES
LET'S DO THIS!
Holy shtein. Are they kidding with those prices for the travel packages?
iceholes.
Eskin says the Phils want another team to offer JRoll a 4-yr deal so they don't have to match it and can let him walk, and they're hesitant to even offer 3 years for him
orodenker says the phillies want to offer madson a 16 year deal but are willing to go 17 if he burns off his white trash tattoos
come on i can make up my own shtein, too. and usually i dont bother sharing it. easy.
I was on the phone so I missed most of the show but I heard Vai calling him out on it basically saying thats what he wanted and not what the Phils wanted and all he could say was thats what the Phils told him.
Yeah - I'm sure the Phillies would divulge this info to him of all people. He's a known hater and has had an ax to grind with them for years. I wish Charlie would've unleashed a country ass whippin on him.
"Billy Wagner will NOT be a Phillie"
1 hour later Wagner's a Phillie
"It's not what I said would happen nitwit it's what I heard"
"From what I'm told Tom Glavine will sign with the Phillies
1 hour later Glavine signs with the Mets
"It's not what I said would happen nitwit it's what I heard"
His act is beyond old and stale. His nose was up the Eagles ass last night. Good riddance that he isn't on the air anymore.
Phils declined Oswalts option.
No shock there. Now will he retire or will they re-sign him for less?
Lidge is out too. Thanks for '08 now gtfo.
yikes at all the "get out" vitriol towards lidge
hes been finishes for 2 years, i dont get the hate. hate on manuel for running him out there or rube for not cutting ties last season.
That frees $28 million up to get Kemp
i didnt know matt kemp was a free agent
or could be had for bargain basement prospects
interesting
Quote from: MDS on October 24, 2011, 06:52:08 PM
i didnt know matt kemp was a free agent
or could be had for bargain basement prospects
interesting
Don't you remember my Dom Brown + proposal? When I posted that the first thing that ran through my head was how I'm going to have to explain this to Todd. No lie. Sad for you, but mostly for me.
yea i dont told you it was ridiculous, and it still is.
domonic brown is terrible. you cant trade him and a couple clearwater pitchers and get the best overall player in baseball. it took them 3 top level prospects just to get halladay and he WANTED to go.
if rube didnt waste 25 mil on choke or throw 20 mil at lee because he wanted to maybe they could be in a spot to get prince or something
Phils are going to try to bring back Thome as a stop-gap until Howard's healthy.
Quote from: MDS on October 24, 2011, 06:40:48 PM
yikes at all the "get out" vitriol towards lidge
hes been finishes for 2 years, i dont get the hate. hate on manuel for running him out there or rube for not cutting ties last season.
Jesus Christ... there is no possible way you're this obtuse.
Quote from: MDS on October 24, 2011, 06:59:19 PM
yea i dont told you it was ridiculous, and it still is.
Pretty sure people called me crazy last offseason when I said the Phils were going to sign Lee. Maybe they trade for Kemp, maybe they don't, but I get the feeling they're going to do something drastic with their lineup.
I think the only way they go balls out is if they don't re-sign Madson and Rollins. If they don't re-sign Rollins & Madson they would have the money to do it, but they would still need a shortstop and a closer and that leaves a cheap one-year deal for a closer and hope to God Freddy Galvis is ready.
So... re-sign Madson & Rollins or go big with a guy like Kemp & cheap with a closer & a rookie shortstop.
I've accepted the fact that Rollins isn't going to be back. I think they sign a stop gap guy like Renteria. I'd be fine with bringing Madson back, if not I think they go after Bell. Bottom line is they didn't get it done the last 3 seasons with what they have so changes have to be made.
Much rather go with Madson than Bell, but I'm also not in the mood to hand out another $12 mill a year for a closer at the expense of Rollins or upgrading the outfield.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 07:22:44 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 24, 2011, 06:59:19 PM
yea i dont told you it was ridiculous, and it still is.
(http://www.boomspeed.com/superpsn/Diploma_TempleU.JPG)
if i cant be talking black here what can i does
You really don't have a defined roll other than emulating Havas. We certainly aren't relying on you for any hard hitting sports stories or opinion pieces.
am i supposed to be a writer here, too? this place is horrendous and barely deserves me paying attention to the red squiggly lines when something be spelled wrong
I'm pretty sure most writers consider themselves writers everywhere.
Start with basic coherent communication. Maybe then you can entertain the idea of considering yourself a writer.
i seem to communicate just fine when i be kicking your ass in words with friends
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what rusty
No.
I'd be willing to bet a paycheck that Todd uses a dictionary and Rusty doesn't. My squaw does the same thing. She seems to have a much better vocabulary when we play words with friends than she does when we play Scrabble.
Who knows. It's a stupid way to play scrabble because you don't have to even know the words you use. But beyond that Todd's post is retarded since I'm pretty sure I win at least two thirds of our games. He's talking shtein about beating me every now and then? Uh ok.
alls i know is i run through russell and his dirty northern virginian education
Jews don't run. Ever. That's why the Nazis caught them.
Quote from: Rome on October 24, 2011, 07:36:50 PM
I think the only way they go balls out is if they don't re-sign Madson and Rollins. If they don't re-sign Rollins & Madson they would have the money to do it, but they would still need a shortstop and a closer and that leaves a cheap one-year deal for a closer and hope to God Freddy Galvis is ready.
So... re-sign Madson & Rollins or go big with a guy like Kemp & cheap with a closer & a rookie shortstop.
lol yeah "just go with" kemp....just go with it daddy-o...its so eazzzzzeeee
Who the farg said anything would be easy? Was it easy of the Phillies to get Halladay or Lee or Hunter Pence?
It takes luck and it takes finding the right trading partner or free agent scenario.
they arent getting kemp they could literally trade their whole system for him and they wouldnt have enough...and thats if the dodgers even trade him which they wont
yeah it actually was easy to get the other three....lee was a former phillie who loved it there and was a free agent...pence was owned by ed wade and halladay wanted out and the phillies had a top just about major league ready prospect
It was so easy to get Halladay they actually got Lee instead in 2009 because the Jays wouldn't pull the trigger.
And let me remind you that Halladay was arguably the best pitcher in baseball at the time they got him.
Like SD said, it can happen. Not saying it will but you saying it definitely won't when history has proven otherwise is just you being a stubborn jackass as usual.
like you said just go with kemp...why not...just get him...if they want him hes theres...after all they are the phillies
if you old people remember halladay only got traded after the jays fired that incompetent billy beane disciple jp riccardi. the new guy actually realized that top level prospects were better than an ace he didnt need.
if the phillies offered that package to the dodgers, and if kemp wanted out like halladay out, i mean maybe but probably not.
the thing is that package is gone and the phillies have a washed up former blue chipper and a bunch of random minor leaguers nobody gives a shtein about on the threshers.
but im sure rube has got this.
just go with kemp....thats what id do
i'd go with pujols to play 3rd and have kemp as my back up option
David Wright anyone?
Who are you, FF...Chris Steuber?!
QuoteChrisSteuber Chris Steuber
by geoffmosher
I'm starting to hear more & more talk about the #Phillies going after David Wright... remember who brought it up first!
lol...i dont know where it started but they talked about wright on wip for like two hours yesterday....im sure its coming from somewhere out of new york
I'd rather they get/pay him then that fag reyes
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2011, 02:43:36 PM
Who are you, FF...Chris Steuber?!
QuoteChrisSteuber Chris Steuber
by geoffmosher
I'm starting to hear more & more talk about the #Phillies going after David Wright... remember who brought it up first!
Yeah, I may unfollow Mosher for retweeting that Douche.
isnt stueber the eagle website draftnik?
why the farg is he even talking about baseball
Quote from: Munson on October 26, 2011, 02:47:46 PM
I'd rather they get/pay him then that fag reyes
This. I hate David Wright because he plays for the Mets. I hate Jose Reyes because he's Jose Reyes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2011, 03:03:38 PM
isnt stueber the eagle website draftnik?
why the farg is he even talking about baseball
He was (and he also had his own sit) but when I googled him I saw that he is now the director or pro personnel for the Georgia Force lololol
haha...wow
to his credit his made rumors make more sense than SD's made up rumors about matt kemp
I actually like Wright as a player... or I did before he had back issues. Better than Polanco at this point, though. Just leery that he's be on the DL more than on the field. Power took a dive last year, too.
Countdown to Kemp starts now
JRoll was at the country club I work at today....and of course I wasn't working :boom
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 26, 2011, 06:38:57 PM
I actually like Wright as a player. Better than Polanco at this point, though.
d wright is better than polanco?
lets the hot stove gems start droppin...
Jesus Christ... are you drunk already because you're posting like MDS on peyote.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2011, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 26, 2011, 06:38:57 PM
I actually like Wright as a player. Better than Polanco at this point, though.
d wright is better than polanco?
lets the hot stove gems start droppin...
Nothing like dropping the rest of the quote to promote more of your crap. You'd be a great editor for Pravda.
Wright is better -
even with the back issues. Basically, they'd have Wright actually in the lineup about as much as Polanco (Polanco actually played 20 more games last year).
Wright power drop was startling last year (.427 - or lower than Polanco's during his first stint with the Phils).We can hope that he recovers some of that, but it has been below .450 two of the last three years now. The injuries are a real concern in going after Wright - and I am a fan of his play.
Some idiot on another board suggested that the Mets would demand Hamels for Wright. No way in hell would - or should - Amaro come even close to that price. Wright is damaged good in my opinion. A definite upgrade over Peanut Head, but I'm just not sure he's healty enough to be what the Phils need.
you hinted that wright "might be" better than polanco...
you could delete your whole post and still see that
wright is 1 billion times better than polanco no matter what....for god sakes romey is better than polanco right now...its absolute hilarity that you would compare the two in any way....wright could basically be a quadropelegic and still out play "polly"
Quote from: Munson on October 28, 2011, 05:45:44 PM
JRoll was at the country club I work at today....and of course I wasn't working :boom
Neither was he
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
you hinted that wright "might be" better than polanco...
you could delete your whole post and still see that
wright is 1 billion times better than polanco no matter what....for god sakes romey is better than polanco right now...its absolute hilarity that you would compare the two in any way....wright could basically be a quadropelegic and still out play "polly"
No might in my original statement:
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 26, 2011, 06:38:57 PM
I actually like Wright as a player... or I did before he had back issues. Better than Polanco at this point, though. Just leery that he's be on the DL more than on the field. Power took a dive last year, too.
The main point was the back injury. My son's in second grade and could understand that. You, of course, have to infer your own damn meaning, then stubbornly stick to that misconception no matter what the truth is.
Sometimes I think you may really be a woman.
wright without a spine is better than your boy "polly"
know this
Meth?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2011, 07:54:05 PM
wright without a spine is better than your boy "polly"
know this
Would love to see Polanco replaced. David Wright of 3 years ago, I'd give my left nut.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 28, 2011, 07:05:11 PM
Quote from: Munson on October 28, 2011, 05:45:44 PM
JRoll was at the country club I work at today....and of course I wasn't working :boom
Neither was he
Hiyyyyooooo
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 28, 2011, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2011, 07:54:05 PM
wright without a spine is better than your boy "polly"
know this
Would love to see Polanco replaced. David Wright of 3 years ago, I'd give my left nut.
if the mets trade wright inside the division for a couple of zesty single a pitchers, cause thats all the phils got in the farm, then they might as well contract that wretched franchise
wright
reyes
kemp
IN?
I hope you feel better in time to go to the game tomorrow.
im getting ready to go to a party that starts at noon.....tomorrow is going to be a game time decision but i think ill make it...im still a little crooked from yesterday
Jimmy told a fan on Twitter that 3/$33M w/ a 4th-yr option isn't good enough for a new deal
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 29, 2011, 12:21:03 PM
Jimmy told a fan on Twitter that 3/$33M w/ a 4th-yr option isn't good enough for a new deal
Then bye, Jimmy. Thanks for the memories.
so the phillies wont godfather jimmy but they will trade crappy prospects for all star third baseman and other worldly outfielders?
Quote from: MDS on October 29, 2011, 12:57:57 PM
so the phillies wont godfather jimmy but they will trade crappy prospects for all star third baseman and other worldly outfielders?
Don't believe they go much higher than that. Maybe 12 or 13 per, but I think that 3 year plus an option is the longest they'll go.
Polanco won a Gold Glove
thanks easy like i cant farging read espn
Don't lie, you found out on phillies.com
He can't write so it stands to reason reading isn't his forte' either.
Ingrate.
dont ride for easy old man
this is between me and him and its finally time
farg it i quit easy wins
http://phillies.auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/feature.d2w/report?wl=33304109&sort=term&search=POSTSEASON&partnerId=aw-6081773733535697707-1053
They're joking, right?
Hours after the Cubs fired Mike Quade, the Cardinals asked for (and received) permission to talk to Sandberg. ha
epstein has already said their manager has to have major league managerial or coaching experience
Sounds like the Phils might promote him to bench coach if Mackanin leaves and eventually groom him as Charlie's replacement. I think someone else gives him a shot before then...
http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2011/11/sportswriters-vote-hunter-pence-mvp-of-the-astros-and-prove-again-that-theyre-idiots/
sporTs writers are idiOts? i'm just not sure i've ever seen any eviDence of that. D.
Hahaha
Salisbury says the Phils' first move might be re-signing Lidge
No issue with that. He's not the closer, he's ok with that, and he seems about as healthy/effective as could be expected based on his history and age. Relatively cheap arm to keep losers like Schwimer off the roster.
sounds like a thank you for 2008 to me....dook is done and unless injuries dictate it probably wont pitch in a single big spot next summer
his "thank you for 2008" ended in game 4 vs the yankees in 2009. i would rather not ever see that worthless piece of shtein pitch for the phillies ever again
me either i just cant come up with any other reason as to why they would bring him back
Because three million is less than fifteen?
if its a clubhouse type of thing, and hes the 7th man out of the pen in the danys baez role, then whatever. whoever you get for that role isnt going to be any good so why not give it to lidge.
if they actually expect him to get people out then rube is dumber than we all thought
it wouldn't be a clubhouse thing... there's probably going to only be 6 guys left from 08, who were also there when he shtein the bed in 09.
bringing back lidge in any capacity is a mistake. the 6th and 7th guys out of the pen need to be able to come in for 2 innings, maybe spot start in a double header... they have that in kendrick
It's going to be a performance laden deal. It's not like he's getting real money at this point.
Settle down.
why would you put a guy on your team who sucks for any amount of money....i dont get that
What part of performance laden don't you understand?
If he's good in spring training you keep him.
If he's not, you say see ya.
Not real tough stuff here, fellas.
he done....hes horrible...he cant get people out...i dont care if he makes a million bucks....give that spot to a young guy who will cost a lot less and have some upside
he wasn't horrible at all last year. he was an average major league mop up reliever. there's no harm in giving the guy a shot to come back and prove himself. if he's done, fine. if he's not and can serve a purpose then you keep him.
lidge was terrible last year...yeah his era was there but that was misleading...just look at his stuff...his fastball is gone forever...every at bat for lidge last year was six sliders most of which were balls none of which were making batters miss and an 89 mph fastball..throw in his history of elbow problems and you have to ask why would i ever want this cat
the phillies have a plethora of young relievers ready to pitch in the big leagues id much rather see one of them suck than lidge...and at least one of them could blossom....lidges ceiling is a wall outlet
Buddy Ryan sucks.
farg you.
(http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/diaf.jpg)
Just like a FB friend. One minute he tells you happy birthday and the next he tells you to die in a fire.
Quote from: Rome on November 03, 2011, 07:05:13 PM
Buddy Ryan sucks.
farg you.
lol rome wins
old man comin through and takin names
Phils signed Thome. (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111104&content_id=25915372&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi)
Few months too late, no?
Yeah, it would have been great to have him as a DH in the World Series.
Makes sense, he can play 1st until Howard is back then DH and fill in once he does come back.
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Makes sense, he can play 1st until Howard is back then DH and fill in once he does come back.
Just double-checked to make sure, but Thome hasn't actually played first since 2007, and hasn't had any meaningful time at first since leaving the Phils, so I'd question how much time he could actually play in the field.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 04, 2011, 07:10:59 PM
Yeah, it would have been great to have him as a DH in the World Series.
lol
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 04, 2011, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Makes sense, he can play 1st until Howard is back then DH and fill in once he does come back.
Just double-checked to make sure, but Thome hasn't actually played first since 2007, and hasn't had any meaningful time at first since leaving the Phils, so I'd question how much time he could actually play in the field.
I'm sure he'll be fine at first until Howard is ready.
im sure the whole team will be fine...they always are
btw theres no chance they signed this guy because chokes hurt...choke is due back in april....they signed him to have a left handed power bat off the bench
April? I think June is a good estimate.
Philadelphia Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard underwent successful surgery on his torn left Achillies heel on Wednesday.
According to Phillies GM Ruben Amaro, the Philly slugger will be out of action for "five to six months" while he recovers. He hopes his first baseman can still make his first scheduled at-bat of the 2012 regular season in April.
I hope he hits 50 HRs
i hope he has a fatal heart attack in an off season workout so they can get rid of his cancerous contract
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 07:48:52 PM
I hope he hits 50 HRs
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 04, 2011, 07:50:59 PM
i hope he has a fatal heart attack in an off season workout so they can get rid of his cancerous contract
SD made a pronoun specificity error there, but I think he meant Thome.
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Makes sense, he can play 1st until Howard is back then DH and fill in once he does come back.
no he cant
he hasnt played the field in 3000 years. hes a pinch hitter and a double move every time--meaning if they hit him for valdez or something they have to bring in martinez after him.
its sort of a crippling move for your bench but what the farg its jim thome. great to have him back.
well then i hope he hits one homer in the 8th inning of postseason game at dodger stadium
because thats why they signed him
in a true sense it would actually pay to have him DH the year in Lehigh, then call him up in september
or work out some illegal deal where he DH's for Oakland or something, then trade him at the deadline.
stashing him for 3 at bats a week on the bench seems kind of pointless. but who am i question such a regular season juggernaut?
Quote from: MDS on November 04, 2011, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Makes sense, he can play 1st until Howard is back then DH and fill in once he does come back.
no he cant
So what you're saying is at no point in the upcoming season will he ever play 1st base? Care to make a wager on that?
he was quoted in i think a stark piece after his 600th essentially saying that his days of playing in the field are over
last year he played an inning of 3B for old times sake...i mean MAYBE something like that happens where shtein happens and they need him to stand at first for an inning or two, but under no circumstances will he start a game at first or be expected to play there for an extended period of time.
i mean in 2009 and 08 he didnt play in the field. in 07 and 06 he played a combined 4 games there. so if hes all of a sudden going to play once a week at first i will not only gladly bet you but i will blow you if he does.
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 04, 2011, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Makes sense, he can play 1st until Howard is back then DH and fill in once he does come back.
no he cant
So what you're saying is at no point in the upcoming season will he ever play 1st base? Care to make a wager on that?
like literally one inning?
or you mean to cover for choke for whatever time he misses
i guess i wouldnt put anything past the moron that charlie manuel is but id be shocked if he ever plays the field....hes played 28 innings in the field since 2005
career wise he is a .222 lifetime pinch hitter with 3 homers. he has a .343 obp, though.
obviously hes always been a starter so its kind of a random stat but best case scenario he is matt stairs in 2009 and draws a walk to set up someone else to get a big hit.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 04, 2011, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 04, 2011, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: SD on November 04, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Makes sense, he can play 1st until Howard is back then DH and fill in once he does come back.
no he cant
So what you're saying is at no point in the upcoming season will he ever play 1st base? Care to make a wager on that?
like literally one inning?
or you mean to cover for choke for whatever time he misses
i guess i wouldnt put anything past the moron that charlie manuel is but id be shocked if he ever plays the field....hes played 28 innings in the field since 2005
Make an over/under number of innings/games he plays in the field
10
the reading phillies stadium was basically my babysitter when i was little. all of our parents would drop us off pregame while they all went out and got wasted. i remember the summer when both thome and stairs were just destroying the eastern league, probably like 90 or so. theres probably dozens of home run balls at my moms house just from those two alone. who would have thought 20 years later they'd both be such lovable useless ex-phillies meatheads.
Quote from: MDS on November 04, 2011, 08:22:07 PM
best case scenario he is matt stairs in 2009 and draws a walk to set up someone else to get a big hit.
hes a left handed bat for the playoffs in the late innings when they are down by a run and the rest of the stank ass lineup cant score...there was a couple times they wished they had him this year vs the cards...not saying he would have or will produce because if you wanna be realistic hes as done as ibanez but thats what they are thinking here
90 innings
Under.
no deal
o/u should be 5 innings
maybe even 3
basically youre betting on a freak extra innings ejection situation or ryan howard dying midgame
we are talking about roob and chuckles so i think that might be low but still he isnt replacing choke
thome himself knows he cant play in the field anymore. as dumb as manuel is i dont think its gonna happen.
gardy tried to get him to play 1st but thome wouldnt do it. he knows he cant.
on a different note, what is the o/u for calls to WIP demanding thome replace choke at 1st. ill set it right now at 15,000.
edit: salisbury says phillies interested in cuddyer. and so it begins.
its not even the calls to replace him that will be maddening its the callers that have no idea how old thome is and will think hes still a 42 home run guy and is here to replace choke permanently
trade choke to the al to be a dh talk just got a shot of hgh
choke deserves a lot of shtein for his playoff dud, so thats already there. throw in the oafish negro starting over blue collar white man and its ON.
cuddy would actually be great. he can play corner OF and 3B, which i hope is code for 3B since i dont want polanco within 3000 feet of the bank at any point.
they need way more money than they have to make this team a ws contender...the window is shut...i wanna say blow it up but with the contracts they have thats not possible until maybe 2016??
hope for one more division title (maybe) and then bottom out for a while
my expectations are at 0, but the only thing i can say is that right now they have a team good enough to win the nl east. add kid cuddy to the mix instead of polanco--yes they are still slow as balls--but its an improvement.
if they can get in the dance then you never know. its not hope, its more of a...reason not to commit suicide.
Reports are the Phillies are eyeing Cuddyer. I know he's versatile but they need to shake up the lineup not go after guys with similar stats to Raul who can play 3 positions. If they sign Cuddyer, let Jimmy and Raul walk they're worse off than last season...just not seeing how he helps.
Cuddyer is light years better in the field than Raul.
And they're going to reup Rollins and Madson, so settle down Mary.
Quote from: Rome on November 05, 2011, 10:04:49 AM
Cuddyer is light years better in the field than Raul.
And they're going to reup Rollins and Madson, so settle down Mary.
Maybe they re-up one but no way both. I think Jimmy is gone and Madson has Boras as his agent so there's that.
And was defense the reason they haven't won in the past few years? Who cares if he's light years better than Raul in LF, like that's a good reason to sign the guy.
Quote from: SD on November 05, 2011, 09:29:46 AM
Reports are the Phillies are eyeing Cuddyer. I know he's versatile but they need to shake up the lineup not go after guys with similar stats to Raul who can play 3 positions. If they sign Cuddyer, let Jimmy and Raul walk they're worse off than last season...just not seeing how he helps.
Depends on whether Amaro sees Cuddyer as a replacement for Ibanez or at 3B for Polanco with Brown/MAAAyberry in LF.
Quote from: SD on November 05, 2011, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: Rome on November 05, 2011, 10:04:49 AM
Cuddyer is light years better in the field than Raul.
And they're going to reup Rollins and Madson, so settle down Mary.
Maybe they re-up one but no way both. I think Jimmy is gone and Madson has Boras as his agent so there's that.
And was defense the reason they haven't won in the past few years? Who cares if he's light years better than Raul in LF, like that's a good reason to sign the guy.
Yeah, I've got the feeling that the Rollins era in Philly is over. If the Phils were actually prepared to move on at SS I wouldn't be too concerned about it since Jimmy's offensive numbers have been average for the past several seasons. I'm jut hoping to not see Valdez or Mikey Mart 5 days a week at short. No matter what, I would still miss Rollins as a Phil.
Madson is going to make a lot of coin for somebody who has been a full-time closer for less than a full season. There are several good closers on the market, so I'm not overly concerned about losing him.
Peanut head will be back at 3rd, there's zero doubt in my mind. Cuddyer probably plays left and fills in in the infield when needed.
yeah cuddeyer biggest asset is his versatility...he will play first until choke comes back then move to left...but if GRITs knee flares up again he can play second...if polancos elbow falls off or hes just plain done he can play third...and i imagine he would move to third full time next year
the thing is players like cuddyer can be found every off season...do you wanna sign him for lets say three years 36 mil and lose jimmy or madson...two positions that are harder to replace
also cuddyer costs you a first round pick...altho i suppose they could offer arbitration to jimmy and or madson to recoup that
I heard Stark the other day before the hot stove started that if a new labor deal or something like that wasn't reached by midnight (the night FA started), that the Luxury tax wouldn't be in effect for this year. Where is Ed to confirm if that's even true, and to tell me if they reached said deal?
For the last time, Rollins isn't going anywhere. It's not like Smug's standing there saying "ROLLINS OR CUDDYER - CUDDYER OR ROLLINS!".
And honestly, I don't care if Madson goes anyway. If his piece of shtein agent can get him a gazillion bucks from the Red Sox or some other sucker, great. Best of luck to ya, Gas Can. If not, if he's willing to take a hometown discount to stay in Philly, then that's fine too. They can do at least as good as him for a lot less, though.
Quote from: Munson on November 05, 2011, 03:36:53 PM
I heard Stark the other day before the hot stove started that if a new labor deal or something like that wasn't reached by midnight (the night FA started), that the Luxury tax wouldn't be in effect for this year. Where is Ed to confirm if that's even true, and to tell me if they reached said deal?
It's true. Seems that they're working hard to install something for next year, though. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7189584/baseball-owners-players-anticipate-new-luxury-tax-system)
Quote from: Rome on November 05, 2011, 04:18:40 PMFor the last time, Rollins isn't going anywhere.
He is if smug works out a deal for that Met a**hole instead. An AL exec says the Phils are still in on him...
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 06, 2011, 02:07:21 PM
Quote from: Rome on November 05, 2011, 04:18:40 PMFor the last time, Rollins isn't going anywhere.
He is if smug works out a deal for that Met a**hole instead. An AL exec says the Phils are still in on him...
Reyes? No farging way. Unless you're talking about Wright which someone with some knowledge told me has a slight chance of happening.
I'd like them getting Wright. Reyes can blow me.
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2011, 02:11:16 PM
I'd like them getting Wright. Reyes can blow me.
Careful. Reyes probably would.
reyes loves when guys gently blow on his stomach
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2011, 04:24:58 PM
reyes loves when guys gently blow on his stomach
Just threw up in my mouth.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2011, 04:24:58 PM
reyes loves when guys gently blow on his stomach
including his wife
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nydailynews.jpg)
jerry sandusky has a wife too
Does she look like a dude like Reyes'?
She looks like she was snacking on a bowl of firecrackers.
blowies are either really good or hes got serious scratches all over his cock
She looks like Simple Jack from Tropic Thunder.
Speaking of hideous beasts...
http://www.mlb.com/photos/gallery.jsp?content_id=25928866&c_id=phi&partnerId=aw-6691729149413788336-1053
pic #5 looks like a jew girl i know of....she would have to be damn near 30 and her brother was a funhole
farg that
Crasnick said Phils and Madson are exchanging proposals.
Stark said Papelbon is plan B
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2011, 11:00:56 PM
Crasnick said Phils and Madson are exchanging proposals.
Stark said Papelbon is plan B
Yes, he said that last week on 97.5 when Jeff from Philly was on hold.
i met jeff from philly at out tailgate yesterday
Was he nice to opposing fans this week?
early reports seem to indicate that at no time yesetrday was he in handcuffs
Madson's new deal is expected to be 4/$44M w/ a 5th-yr option for $13M
Michael Cuddyer was in town for a visit today too.
Seems like a lot for a closer....especially when Hamels and Pence still need long term deals.
Thats less than what they paid lidge.
And i doubt they're going to give a long term deal to pence.
why wouldn't they? He's their only young offensive talent left.
so ryan madson gets like 44 mil for 4 years or something. whatever.
hows this for a lineup for next year
coco crisp lf
vic cf
pence rf
choke 1b
kid cuddy 3b
grits mcutley 2b
jimmy ss
chooch c
with AAAberry as the top utility guy and james howard thome eating cheeseburgers in the dugout until its time to pinch hit. kind of okay.
Are they even kicking the tires on Crisp? And should they? Doesn't strike me as much of an upgrade on the surface.
Utley batting sixth and Jimmy in the seven hole?
Ha.
Haha.
Hahahahaha!
Keep on keepin' on, Tex.
yeah jimmy would become a long reliever before he ever bat 8
cuddyer gets the stink face. a slightly younger raul ibanez
I've seen several reports that say the Madson deal isn't done and may have hit a snag. Heyman said it's waiting on Monty's approval. Stark said Papelbon still in the mix.
Odds his wife is being a snatch about staying in Philly and making him reconsider?
Quote from: Rome on November 09, 2011, 07:20:25 AM
Utley batting sixth and Jimmy in the seven hole?
Ha.
Haha.
Hahahahaha!
Keep on keepin' on, Tex.
you saw how they did with jimmy 1st and utley 3rd, i guess that should continue, huh?
everyone needs to face reality that neither of those guys are good anymore and if you plan on winning a world series they shouldnt be hitting in the top part of the order. but of the fact of the matter is chase utley could take a shtein on your carpet and youd probably eat it.
and cuddyer is 32, will hit hit .270 with a .330 obp and 20 homers. its not lighting the world on fire but its better than polanco.
that's assuming cuddyer would be coming to replace polanco, and not start in LF this year.
cuddyer can't play 3rd
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 09, 2011, 03:39:53 PM
that's assuming cuddyer would be coming to replace polanco, and not start in LF this year.
i think he will replace polanco at 3rd next year...would fill in this year if polancos elbow acts up or he just cant play anymore
Quote from: SunMo on November 09, 2011, 08:38:37 AM
cuddyer gets the stink face. a slightly younger raul ibanez
Agreed. They need to shake it up, not get guys who are similar to Raul.
plus i just read he's a type A free agent so he costs a 1st round pick. double no thanks
Quote from: SunMo on November 09, 2011, 07:25:16 PM
plus i just read he's a type A free agent so he costs a 1st round pick. double no thanks
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 05, 2011, 03:02:21 PM
yeah cuddeyer biggest asset is his versatility...he will play first until choke comes back then move to left...but if GRITs knee flares up again he can play second...if polancos elbow falls off or hes just plain done he can play third...and i imagine he would move to third full time next year
the thing is players like cuddyer can be found every off season...do you wanna sign him for lets say three years 36 mil and lose jimmy or madson...two positions that are harder to replace
also cuddyer costs you a first round pick...altho i suppose they could offer arbitration to jimmy and or madson to recoup that
that was my take when the rumors first came about...that would be a way to get the pick back...obviously sounds like it would be jimmy now
The new CBA will likely remove the draft pick compensation or downgrade it to something where Type As are treated like Type Bs. A lot of teams are waiting for that to be resolved, which is why you don't see any major signings yet
Salisbury reported tonight the Phils turned their focus towards signing Papelbon instead
Neither Madson nor Papelbon will prove to earn their contracts this season. But I don't know of a better option.
Not sure I am down with Papelbon signing.
I've hoped for Heath Bell
i wouldn't mind if they went the cheap low risk/high reward route and signed Joe Nathan. his velocity was back up to normal at the end of the season after recovering from tommy john
I wouldn't hate that either.
If Madson balked at 44 million over four years he's a bigger clown than i ever imagined.
No, it sounds like Monty said to Rube, "Are you farging kidding me?"
Paplebon is probably my least favorite FA after Reyes. He stands on the mound trying for lion face, but can only muster up lemon face. I'd seriously hate to look at that for 40 games a year.
(http://mlblogszozone.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/papelbon.jpg)
Lion face, Raaaaawwwwwrrrrrr!
(http://images.paraorkut.com/img/baseball/images/j/jonathan_papelbon-554.jpg)
Lemon face, Eeeewwwww.
Also, he takes roughly 4 1/2 minutes between pitches.
lol @ no cuddyer and getting joe nathan
do you guys like being regular season champions?
hey retard, cuddyer is a right handed raul ibanez...what about that screams playoff wins?
It's either the "right handed" or the non-hispanic angle, I'm sure.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 10, 2011, 10:21:29 AM
Paplebon is probably my least favorite FA after Reyes. He stands on the mound trying for lion face, but can only muster up lemon face. I'd seriously hate to look at that for 40 games a year.
I keep having visions of that stupid little Irish jig he did after the 2007 WS.
ironman j starks reporting phillies interest in kubel and sizemore
Quote from: SunMo on November 10, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
hey retard, cuddyer is a right handed raul ibanez...what about that screams playoff wins?
ill take that if ibanez were 32. oh wait. cuddyer is.
In the mix for Jamey Carroll!
Yay?
Any recent word on the hold up on Madson?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 11, 2011, 11:49:36 AM
Yay?
Any recent word on the hold up on Madson?
The word is that they're now focusing on Papelbon.
i hope his funhole wife likes washington
i would be happy with madson or voldemort for the next 2-3 years
basticho is probably the future closer (or maybe even aumont in the minors if he has another good year like last season)
It's being reported Papelbon is now a Phillie pending a physical on his shoulder
Eww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2Z-mqYTDo
Starks is saying it might be 4 years $13 million per.
Gross. I'd rather have 11 mil per year, better stuff, year younger madson
I'd rather have Lidge. This isn't about talent or ability at this point, it's simply about Paplebon being one of the few players I genuinely can't stand to watch. He's really good, no doubt. I just don't like him or his stupid face.
hate this guy but he's a top-5 closer, so I dunno
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/17/specialneedscl128582310105598536.jpg)
Salisbury says it's around 4/$50M
Don't the Phils have to give the Sox the 31st pick now too?
yup, but they'll get a better pick back (plus a comp pick) if one of the top teams signs Madson
Quote from: Munson on November 11, 2011, 02:37:41 PM
Gross. I'd rather have 11 mil per year, better stuff, year younger madson
isn't papelbon like 3 months younger than Madson.
I'm indifferent to it. Papelbon's ERA has gone up a little the last few years, but his WHIP is still really low and his K/9, K:BB rates are solid. Meh.
$50M?! :boo
Stark is saying there's a 5th-yr vesting option that could make the deal $60M
that is way too much for a closer, even one as good as he's been.
i still can't get that annoying farging boston accent out of my head. Papppellbonnnn. Bleh.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 11, 2011, 03:14:42 PM
$50M?! :boo
don't worry, you can pay in installments.
juicy smug filled installments.
stolen from another board with extra sabermetricy stuff added on to make igy's head explode:
Player A: 64.1 IP, 2.94 ERA, 8.70 BB/K, 145 ERA+, xFIP 2.16
Player B: 62.2 IP, 2.44 ERA, 2.43 BB/K, 146 ERA+, xFIP 3.67
Player C: 60.2 IP, 2.37 ERA, 3.88 BB/K, 164 ERA+, xFIP 2.94
A is Papelbon, B is Bell, C is Madson.
I think Bell at this point is a product of Petco due to how many fly balls he gives up. I think Madson and Papelbon are pretty interchangeable. Madson's ERA is better, Papelbon k/bb ratio is way better. Little more concerned about Papelbon's arm than Madson's arm though towards the end of the deal.
I hate Papelbon. I have no rational reason. I hope he D's in a F.
Papelpon is younger. Not older, Munson.
For some reason I thought he was 31 before Madson was.
Budgets are for Romes.
yea thats a lot of money for papelboner
whatever. they are spending money like the red sox and yankees so if this doesnt work its not the end of the world.
is this team trying to suck more?
i dont really see a massive difference between papelboner and madson...in fact papelboner is probably better.
the lineup is still going to be horrendous though
You're right. Their lack of interest in your boy CoCo is the problem.
nm
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 12, 2011, 06:22:24 AM
You're right. Their lack of interest in your boy CoCo is the problem.
nothing wrong with a guy who will steal 50 bases for a team that cant score runs
Will he even be on base 50 times this season?
The more I read the reactions of Boston fans over this the more I love it.
I'm worried about how Papelbon finished the season. Not that he blew the last game, but how he lost velocity at the end of the year. They'd better go over that shoulder and elbow with the proverbial fine-toothed comb.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 12, 2011, 12:53:52 PM
I'm worried about how Papelbon finished the season. Not that he blew the last game, but how he lost velocity at the end of the year. They'd better go over that shoulder and elbow with the proverbial fine-toothed comb.
this
plus just his overall makeup is suspect....hes a shell of himself and to give a guy like that four years (no closer should get four years) is ridiculous
phillies love stockpiling awful contracts apparently....wheres pat gillick when you need him
How long before the home crowd starts chanting at him derisively?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2011, 01:19:14 PMhes a shell of himself
Based on what....not winning a World Series in the last 4 seasons? That final game against the Orioles was a fluke and you know it. He's the only closer in history to have 30+ saves in each of his first 6 seasons and his worst year is still better than a good year for any of the other FA closers. He's also not a one-year wonder that lucked into the spot because Contreras went down...oh wait....I'm mocking an ex-Phillie again so let's concentrate on that.
btw one of the MASN girls tweeted that Madson was only offered 3 years by the Phils and Boras asked for 4, and Seth Everett said this morning that Boras made up the whole 4/$44M "verbal agreement" to get other teams like the Nats to panic, jump in and offer more, so smug said F you and moved on to Papelbon instead
If it's Papelbon vs Madson, I really don't care. Look at the way closers usually perform after a contract like this. Money better spent elsewhere.
madson is gonna sign for like 3-27....and heath bell for like 2-18....and then what are the phillies gonna feel like....they jumped the gun here like they did with ibanez
when you have massive holes elsewhere (ss, lf,) and need to get heidi done you dont need to be throwin 50+ mil at a farging closer...joe nathan for peanuts would have been a much better move
But they weren't going into the season with ODB, DeFratus, Stutes and Contreras in closer-by-committee roles. They had to sign an established guy, and Bell probably isn't leaving California, K-Rod wants $10M+ too, Nathan and Broxton are recovering from injuries, and I don't trust guys like Matt Capps or Jon Rauch. Like I said yesterday, I think Papelbon's an a**hole but he's a good a**hole, so we gotta deal with cheering for him
Stop making sense, Ed.
I think they spent too much and it sounds like Amaro's smugness led to them overpaying because of Boras doing what he usually does.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 12, 2011, 02:33:15 PM
But they weren't going into the season with ODB, DeFratus, Stutes and Contreras in closer-by-committee roles.
huh?...who said they were?
you do know theres something in btwn the ridiculous deal they gave paplebon and having odb as your closer
the closer market this year is fairly deep....to rush out and break the bank like they did in paplebon is retarded
He's by far the best closer on the market. And it's not your money they're spending so quit your bellyaching.
no hes not the best closer by far on the market...the one position in FA you didnt need to lose your mind on was closer
the red sox who spend more money than god wouldnt even sign him for four years
and you dont understand the sport if you say the money doesnt matter....have fun with freddy galvis as your shortstop next year
they just ate up all oswalts money on a farging four year closer deal...its just a bad contract period
I'm talking about the people complaining about giving over $11M/yr to a closer (when Boras is asking for the same thing for Madson) and think a contending team is gonna use a 20-something making $500K, that isn't on the same level as a Kimbrel or Walden, to close out their games for a full season. I just pointed out the sub-$10M options. You really want one of those guys instead? Dotel costs a 1st-rd pick too and did nothing until the playoffs. Frank Francisco? Chad Qualls? Mike Gonzalez? Lidge again? Really?
and stop with Oswalt. He wasn't coming back anyway...
lol wow...im saying they used the monotary slot that oswalt had on a farging closer...when there were far more important positions to fill
Papelbon isn't by far the best closer available? Really? Who is remotely close?
madson nathan bell
you want paplebon for 50+ mil and four years to pitch a few times a week or a ss lf or 3b who is going to impact your team every inning of the whole year
not sure if you watched this team over the past few years but closer was the least of their issues
no closer in the world should ever get that kind of contract....especially when you have all these more important holes...now they spent a significant amount of their limited funds on a guy who pitches 60 innings a year
if the closer market was papelbon and matt capps then at least you can make an excuse as to why you did this but for god sakes let the market take shape and then move and make a smart monotary decision...jumping all in on this guy at this point in time was foolish
Papelbon had a weak 2010. Other than that he has been an amazing closer. He also still seems like a douche, and I'm not a fan of paying $12.5 mil per year for a closer. That being said, if they're going to overpay, I prefer it being for someone who is legit, rather than overpaying for mediocre players (see: Ibanez/Polanco/soon to be Cuddyer). If they actually had 40 mil to play with, they still have 27 for SS/LF. I would prefer to not give that to Papelbon but it shouldn't stop them from signing someone if they really want.
bell is not near papelbon. madson is.
they all are in the same boat...closers are closers...they are great for a year or two then they suck then they get hurt then they reinvent themselves
in the end this team is going nowhere with their offense....the window is closed...but if you are gonna go balls out for a player then it should have been an everyday player that could improve their offense
Safe to say you won't be getting any Papelboners this year either?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2011, 04:00:51 PM
they all are in the same boat...closers are closers...they are great for a year or two then they suck then they get hurt then they reinvent themselves
in the end this team is going nowhere with their offense....the window is closed...but if you are gonna go balls out for a player then it should have been an everyday player that could improve their offense
I agree that the team desperately needs an upgrade on offense and that I'd rather see $50 mil allocated for that purpose.
I don't agree that trotting out Joe Nathan would be the same as Papelbon next year.
nathan could easily be better than paplebon next year...not saying he def will be but the point is that they are a coin flip as to who will be better...because thats what happens with closers
Or he could be Lidge.
We get.it. You think it's the worst ever. Nothing new to see here.
If it's an either-or, I'd rather the Phils take a flier on a Joe Nathan and be able to continue to spend on keeping Rollins or signing a higher-level free agent. Not completely sure that it IS either-or, though.
Nathan is coming into the second year post-TJ surgery, which is usually when the pitcher can once again let 'er rip. When he was healthy, Nathan could dominate.
I'm just worried about Papelbon's loss of velocity last year. Shades of Lidge, but he's already at least a year further. Too much, too long.
Quote from: Rome on November 12, 2011, 04:54:03 PM
Or he could be Lidge.
We get.it. You think it's the worst ever. Nothing new to see here.
Funny, I just made the Lidge comparison with Papelbon. It's all a crapshoot anyway.
It definitely is. I'd rather them take a shot at elite players than play it safe though.
Lidge had two blow up years prior to the Phillies taking a flyer on him. Papelbon had one off year in 2010. His numbers were astounding prior to 2010, and last year his ERA was back to being very solid and his peripherals (WHIP/K:BB/K:9 etc) were all stellar. I think it's hard to compare Lidge to Papelbon in terms of performance regarding when the Phillies acquired both, but I am also concerned about Papelbon's arm.
That's why they're doing due diilligence on him.
Look, it could turn out to be a terrible signing. History is replete with horror stories concerning the free agent signing of closers but the fact is they needed one and they got one of the best.
Is it a dice roll? Sure. But so is every other signing and I'd rather they roll the bones with guys like Papelbon than second or third rate slop. We've had enough of those bums in the past, right?
(http://phillysportshistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/antonio_alfonseca.jpg)
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 12, 2011, 05:13:15 PM
Lidge had two blow up years prior to the Phillies taking a flyer on him. Papelbon had one off year in 2010. His numbers were astounding prior to 2010, and last year his ERA was back to being very solid and his peripherals (WHIP/K:BB/K:9 etc) were all stellar. I think it's hard to compare Lidge to Papelbon in terms of performance regarding when the Phillies acquired both, but I am also concerned about Papelbon's arm.
bottom line is its hard to tell how a closer is going to be year to year which is why you dont throw four years at them....especially for monster money
You do if that's what the market demands. They wanted a top flight closer and money was no object. Is there some reason you're deliberately not understanding that or are you just doing your usual IGY contrarian thing?
I think the money should have been spent elsewhere, particularly on offense. I would have been fine with bringing Madson back or going with Bell or Nathan rather than dropping fifty farging million on Pap Smear
BTW... Hofmann nails it here:
QuotePapelbon deal shows money is least of Phillies' worries
Rich Hofmann, Daily News Sports Columnist
Philadelphia Daily News
Phillies agree to terms with Papelbon
Papelbon, Phils ink deal
AP source: Papelbon, Phillies agree at $50 million
Phillies, Papelbon agree to terms
Amaro: Madson still in the mix
Money is no object.
Budgets are for losers.
Jonathan Papelbon is the Phillies' closer.
Ruben Amaro Jr. is the luckiest man in the world.
That about sums it up. It is hard to know what else to say. The Phillies wouldn't go 4 years/$44 million for Ryan Madson, their own guy, but they would go 4 years/$50 million for Papelbon (and, if the reports are right and his option vests, 5 years/$60 million). Once again, they have chosen the biggest diamond in the display case.
The numbers suggest that Madson and Papelbon have had very similar results. They also suggest that Madson might be better suited to pitch in Citizens Bank Park (allowing fewer fly balls than Papelbon) and to pitch longer in his career (because he relies less on a fastball and more on a physically forgiving changeup). Papelbon, though, has been a closer for longer. If the mystique of the save situation is a real thing - it is one of the great, raging debates within the sport right now - Papelbon has more experience dealing with it than Madson does.
You can parse it in a lot of ways. Some of this is in the collective mind's eye of the Phillies' wise men. Some of this is probably lower than that, too - just a gut-reaction thing. The baseball merits of the move can be debated, even if Papelbon's excellence really cannot.
Repeat, underline: The guy is a great pitcher. Repeat, underline: It is only money. And whatever the outcome of the baseball debate, there can be little question about the Phillies' current economic state.
They like baubles.
They print money.
They buy what they want.
There can be no financial excuses.
If 80 percent of life is just showing up, the rest is timing - and Amaro has enjoyed the absolute best timing that any first-time general manager could ever expect. You really have to wonder at this point whether there has ever been a notion that passed through his head that was ultimately rejected by his bosses because it cost too much. Such has been the financial transformation of the Phillies' franchise.
But here is the thing: The Phillies are at a point at which they cannot ever let money get in the way of what they are trying to do. That is the only message that can be taken away from a signing such as this one - and, really, from the last few seasons. In previous years, they have suggested that there was a budget, somewhere, but it has never prevented them from getting Roy Oswalt or Cliff Lee or Roy Halladay or Hunter Pence or, well, anyone.
And when an organization gets on that treadmill, good luck explaining to people when you feel as if it is time to get off. Now is clearly not that time.
So, if having a $12.5 million closer prevents the Phillies from properly stocking the rest of their bullpen, this will be a waste. If going this big on a guy to pitch the ninth inning means they cannot work out something with Jimmy Rollins - or replace his production at the plate and in the field - then this will be a shame.
Budget?
Smudge it.
Recalculate it.
Write the next one in pencil.
The most important issue, though, might not come until the middle of the 2012 season. If the Phillies enter the season with such a big payroll that they are hamstrung at the trade deadline - which is the time when you often win and lose a pennant, after the unpredictability of the sport has been demonstrated, after a team's ever-evolving personality shows itself again - this will have been a grave mistake. It cannot be stated often enough.
Of course, it isn't likely to go down like that. In case you missed the news, the Phillies just raised ticket prices. Some back-of-the-envelope math suggests that if you buy all of the available tickets again this season, the Phillies will have somewhere north of $10 million in additional revenue in 2012.
History suggests it will be spent. Here and now, with this veteran team, with this recent run of spending, reality suggests they have no choice.
So write the checks.
Send them fast.
The old money has burned a hole in Amaro's pocket.
And he still has to fix the lineup.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 12, 2011, 07:58:51 PM
I think the money should have been spent elsewhere, particularly on offense. I would have been fine with bringing Madson back or going with Bell or Nathan rather than dropping fifty farging million on Pap Smear
If the reports are accurate they spent 1.5 million more per season on Papelbon than Madson. That 1.5 is gonna be a killa.
It's really hard to settle this argument until we see what Madson gets. If he gets 4-$44 million then the money is better spent with Papelbon. If there's a significant difference like $4 million per season then yeah it's okay to bitch. I'm not really worried about their budget, they're spending money because they have it.
It's pretty evident that money isn't an issue for these iceholes. Smug is spending it like he's got Aladdin's Lamp under his arm and that's fine. Get Rollins re-upped, get a replacement for Polly and we're off to the races.
Rollins will then bat 8th, right?!?
10th.
Quote from: Rome on November 12, 2011, 07:57:09 PM
You do if that's what the market demands. They wanted a top flight closer and money was no object. Is there some reason you're deliberately not understanding that or are you just doing your usual IGY contrarian thing?
im doing the non homer thing
and lol at the market demanding....the market demanded that the closer position was really deep this offseason and there was zero reason to reach for one
should have brought this guy in for a looksee:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5WGRD4Cp1ss/TTBqqd2zknI/AAAAAAAABFA/Zw6O57Ock8k/s1600/jose_mesa.jpg)
Bet he'd come on the cheap for ya, IGY
look, queers
if the papelboner deal prohibits them from improving where they need to improve then its something we look back on as a mistake
but if theyre the red sox and they print money and they just wanted papelboner and didnt give a flying farg what he cost, then what difference does it make
they clearly had a high season ticket renewal rate and figure to sell out every game again, make tons and tons money bla bla bla bla lose in the playoffs
Zima?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Rome on November 12, 2011, 07:57:09 PM
You do if that's what the market demands. They wanted a top flight closer and money was no object. Is there some reason you're deliberately not understanding that or are you just doing your usual IGY contrarian thing?
im doing the non homer thing
and lol at the market demanding....the market demanded that the closer position was really deep this offseason and there was zero reason to reach for one
You still haven't responded to my query. Of the 'deep' market of closers available, who was better than Papelbon?
Actually, nevermind. Ed already schooled you twice. No need to respond.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Philadelphia-Phillies-Cole-Hamels-Jonathan-Papelbon-free-agency-111211
QuoteOK, so how the heck are the Phillies going to sign Cole Hamels?
Serious question, because Hamels is a free agent after this season and, at some point, the Phils' bill is going to come due.
The Phillies can't keep adding and retaining the biggest, most expensive stars. Sooner or later — probably sooner — they're going to implode
QuoteFirst baseman Ryan Howard has yet to even begin his five-year, $125 million contract, and the deal already looks like an albatross. The team's other $20 million players, right-hander Roy Halladay and lefty Cliff Lee, will finish their deals in their mid-30s.
Meanwhile, the team's offense is in decline, and general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. will need to sign at least one free-agent hitter to keep it an appropriate level for a contender. Shortstop Jimmy Rollins and outfielder Michael Cuddyer are among Amaro's targets. Each will play next season at 33.
Whatever the Phillies do, they again should be one of the top teams in the National League. But Hamels and center fielder Shane Victorino can be free agents after next season — and Hamels, who turns 28 on Dec. 27, could command a deal of at least six years in the $23-million to $25-million range
Igy? (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-10429015)
Hamels at 23-25 mil a year? I mean he's been great but is really going to get a deal paying him more then Roy Halladay? I was thinking 20 mil a year max....
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 13, 2011, 12:45:06 PM
Igy? (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-10429015)
I think they have enough to sign him.
Quote from: Munson on November 13, 2011, 12:48:59 PM
Hamels at 23-25 mil a year? I mean he's been great but is really going to get a deal paying him more then Roy Halladay? I was thinking 20 mil a year max....
Simple natural inflation will get him close to that. Lee's up to 25 next year, and Hamels is just entering his prime. Wouldn't surprise me to see him get at least 6 years / $135M+ from somebody when he goes FA.
Halladay will only have one year left at that time.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 13, 2011, 12:45:06 PM
Igy? (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-10429015)
sometimes its just nice to know that there are other smart people in the world
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 13, 2011, 12:51:56 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 13, 2011, 12:48:59 PM
Hamels at 23-25 mil a year? I mean he's been great but is really going to get a deal paying him more then Roy Halladay? I was thinking 20 mil a year max....
Simple natural inflation will get him close to that. Lee's up to 25 next year, and Hamels is just entering his prime. Wouldn't surprise me to see him get at least 6 years / $135M+ from somebody when he goes FA.
Pretty much what I was thinking. I think if they sign Hamels at that cost ($23-25mil), they're getting him a fairly reasonable price (assuming he keeps pitching like he did this year). And if he has another solid year in 2012, then they should def offer him a little more than what they gave Doc or Lee since he's home grown.
lol @ worrying about locking up hamels
by the time his supposed contract kicks in chase utley wont be able to walk, choke will be dead and jimmy will be 45 years old. and in case you werent aware they have nothing in the farm system and tons of backend money tied up to lee, howard and now papelboner.
unless you think dom brown is willie mays its already over for them
As expected, Worley finished 3rd in NL ROY behind the two Braves and ahead of the kidnapped Nat
Papelbon's press conf just finished. His deal has an extra $58 on the end of it, and he got ODB's #58
Quote"I told my agents, 'Listen....I want to go play for the Phillies. Let's make it happen.'"
yeah i'm not sure i buy that, but whatever.
great, i cant until he pitching on the wrong side of a 2-0 game in the 9th inning because the offense sucks
i cant until he pitching either
i can
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 14, 2011, 03:03:32 PM
As expected, Worley finished 3rd in NL ROY behind the two Braves and ahead of the kidnapped Nat
So he ended up getting consideration? Gee - I thought he wasn't worthy of consideration. I'm sure I read that somewhere.
O'WRLY?
So what the farg is with this cinco ocho shtein? I knew Papelbon was a flaming cockeater but I had no idea he invented alter egos for himself. What have we gotten ourselves into here? Somebody hold me!
there isnt more than maybe one or two closers in the last 20 years that have warranted money like paplebon just got but above and beyond that the yankees and red sox dont let great players leave....
something to think about
What a time for Papelbon to sign. This is like #5 on the sports interest list right now with all the shtein going on with PSU, Birds collapse, will Andy be back, Pimp, NBA lockout, etc. Other than the horrendous contract who cares?
Hanley Ramirez sez yo, muthafarga...
Quote from: Don Ho on November 15, 2011, 02:39:12 PM
What a time for Papelbon to sign. This is like #5 on the sports interest list right now with all the shtein going on with PSU, Birds collapse, will Andy be back, Pimp, NBA lockout, etc. Other than the horrendous contract who cares?
the paplebon signing and its lack of ummmmph has more to do with it addressing a position that wont effect the outcome of their season and doesnt make them better....people wanna see the lineup turned over and if that doesnt happen nothing else matters anyway....it also in terms of pitching staff moves its a miniscule aftershock compared to the all earth shaking quakes of halladay and lee the last two years....plus hes a douche from boston
You're right. Watching that press conference with Heir Smugweiler was about as lame as they get. I actually felt sorry for
Papelbon up there.
phillies had three of the top five finalist for the cy young and didnt win a playoff series
sickening
dodgers had the cy young and (almost certain) mvp winners and didnt make the playoffs or even come close
hilarious
obviously Vicente Padilla's fault. MOCK
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2011, 02:07:07 PM
phillies had three of the top five finalist for the cy young and didnt win a playoff series
sickening
Sickening that they were finalists or sickening that they didn't win a playoff series? I'm assuming the latter.
And I'm fine with Kershaw winning it. He absolutely deserved it. Team standings should have no implication in the Cy Young voting.
As for MVP, I think the player should come from a team that at least contended for the playoffs. However, there are exceptions to the rule and when you're nearly a triple crown winner and a gold glover in center field, I think you at least deserve strong consideration. I'm not sure if I would give it to Kemp (had he won the triple crown, it'd be his no doubt), but I'm certainly not going to cry foul if he gets it.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 17, 2011, 02:24:28 PM
dodgers had the cy young and (almost certain) mvp winners and didnt make the playoffs or even come close
hilarious
Where bionic at?
Looks like Phillies are going to get dicked regarding Papelbon. New CBA purportedly doesn't give compensation for type A FAs who are relievers. But it's only applied prospectively, so, Philly has to give Boston its 1st rd pick still, but won't get one back when Madson signs elsewhere. Super.
unless he signs for $12M+
that's because ruben is an impatient dummy
Quote from: SunMo on November 20, 2011, 02:44:02 PM
that's because ruben is an impatient dummy
exactly
let the farging market set itself dumbass....there are 200 closers available this year including one on your OWN team
and btw closer isnt your teams issue
he just had a raging papelboner
couldnt just let it sit there
all that being said, it's really weird and seems unfair that MLB can change the compensation rules during an active free agency period.
for example, maybe the padres would have been more inclined to trade Bell at the deadline if they had known they wouldn't get a pick for him.
but couldnt smuggerson have like all the other gm's waited until a cba was completed before tossin out an outrageous contract
i mean how many of the leagues 30 gm's besides smug were screwed this offseason by the new cba?
im not even saying it's not fair to the phillies because rube has only himself to blame.
i'm just talking about teams like my SD example
in the case of sd tho thats no different than what the nba is doing...maybe last march the sixers could have done something with iguodala that they wouldnt be able to do with whatever the new cba is....a new cba is a new cba...there are always changes
with smug the season was already over and we were in the middle of new cba negotiations and hes spending money and draft picks like hes leonard tose at a bakarat table....maybe sit back like the rest of the league and see how shtein plays out...i said it earlier in the thread we are all gonna puke when we see what these other closers incuding he phillies own sign for
really this is a larger issue than the cba...smug made a mistake period in what he gave paplebon and when he gave it to him...he did the same thing with ibanez....he just wants to be the guy and make noise...he doesnt care if its the best move for his team or not
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 20, 2011, 03:34:01 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 20, 2011, 02:44:02 PM
that's because ruben is an impatient dummy
exactly
let the farging market set itself dumbass....there are 200 closers available this year including one on your OWN team
and btw closer isnt your teams issue
Post of the offseason. How true. Closer was the least of their issues and there is a bunch of quality ones out there. What's the hurry?
If they don't set the market who will?
Haters.
they arent setting the market thats the point...like the year they signed ibanez....they got him for 3-33 while adam dunn was getting 2-20 burrell 2-16 and bobby abreu 1-5
its just not necessary to go buckwild and spend gazillions for no reason while the other 29 teams sit back and wait for great deals
Ruben don't care because Ruben rolls hard. farg the haters!
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5427/sarcasmthebigbangtheory.jpg)
Phils get Ty Wigginton from Rockies for cash or PTBNL
Nice move
so no kid cuddy then
actually looking at his numbers hes terrible. if hes a bench player fill in once a week guy alright but if they are gonna plug him in for ibanez or polanco or something then its casey matthews level bad.
he's still in play for some reason
Probably because he's farging awesome.
not in play: tranny stat humping shortstops worshiped by qtown's modern day mike brady
i know, it's disappointing.
but yeah freddy galvis!
id rather have munsons incest trailer trash spawn play SS for my team than reyes
jimmy is coming back i have no idea why this is even an issue. they need him, he wants back....all this talk is just both sides reminding each other they think they have louisville sluggers
he probably will come back especially with amaro's open checkbook and love to give veterans extra years
he was always coming back. they have nothing at SS and johari aint goin nowhere.
Colorado is splitting the cost for Wigginton's 2012 salary and will pay for part of his buyout in 2013
Sandberg is back at LV, Morandini was promoted to Lakewood, and Williamsport will now be run by former Pigs 1B Andy Tracy and J's favorite reliever Aaron Fultz
that wasnt as good as the 10-0 score update last night, easy
Aaron Fultz sucks.
Why don't they offer Joe Roa and Rheal Cormier jobs too.
(http://www.the700level.com/images/597740.jpg)
^^^Oh god. Chokes contract, Who's going to play SS, Grit aging, issues at 3rd base, LF, bench depth, now this to deal with.
I'm as cynical as anyone (probably more so, actually) but the guy dressed up for his son's birthday party. What exactly is wrong with that? As any father will attest, we've all done similarly goofy things to entertain our children, right?
Nope, just you.
:-D
Bring that pic up when he gets picked off while wandering off second or makes another beautiful throw like he did against STL.
Quote from: Rome on November 27, 2011, 09:15:29 AM
I'm as cynical as anyone (probably more so, actually) but the guy dressed up for his son's birthday party. What exactly is wrong with that? As any father will attest, we've all done similarly goofy things to entertain our children, right?
lol
I don't think anyone's being cynical. The outfit is, well it's so Victorino.
You'd never get me in one of those outfits.
Literally. I'm too tall for any "one size fits all" stuff.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/phillies-called-billy-wagner-after-season.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
QuoteThe Phillies had an outside-the-box idea before signing Jonathan Papelbon this winter. The team called closer Billy Wagner after the season in hopes of coaxing him out of retirement, writes Mark Hale of the New York Post. Wagner told Hale, "It was after the regular season...just to see if I was even contemplating coming back or had an itch or anything. I just told them, 'No, I do not have an itch.'"
Wagner, 40, went out on top with a 37-save season with the Braves in 2010. He closed for the Phillies from 2004-05, after which he joined the Mets on a free agent deal. Wagner is currently coaching junior varsity baseball and has no intention of coming out of retirement.
I don't believe that for a hot second.
Pure fiction. Funny, though.
Maybe they should have had an inside-the-box idea and kept Madson or resign Jimmy instead.
Fonzie's regurgitating it on Philly.com so it must be true.
I could see them calling Wagner for a situational lefty, but really, why? He's 140 years old.
Scott Podsednik signed to a minor lg deal with an invite to ST
Scott Mathieson released
Yesterday, it was said that Reyes was in town only to see his baby/baby mama.
Just now, it was said on WIP that he is in town to talk to the Phillies.
what?
Good. He can play 3rd, as long as he keeps a ball gag in at all times. Has Jimmy been re-signed yet?
QuoteSI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#phillies interested in @jimmyrollins11, not jose reyes, despite 'net rumors. hoping to keep rollins with a 3-year deal.
They aren't sunmo enough to sign that tranny. Stop.
Sign Jimmy.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 30, 2011, 04:21:06 PM
Yesterday, it was said that Reyes was in town only to see his baby/baby mama.
I pray baby didn't get mama's grill.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sportsweek/20111202_Franzke_and_Andersen_Best_in_Booth.html?viewAll=y
Great article. The comments from the idiot with the Wisconsin squirrel on his head were "what the farg?" worthy.
QuoteChris Wheeler, who has worked for 35 years as a Phillies broadcaster, says you can't fake the odd-couple friendship of Franzke and Andersen.
"There are people in this business who have insufferable egos and hog everything," Wheeler says. "So the guy who's working with them has to be like a potted plant. The star is like, 'Oh, did he say something?' There's no rapport. There's tension. And listeners can hear it. These two genuinely like each other. You can't fake that. It's like Harry playing straight man for Whitey. I think Franzke figured out fast that the best way to work with Larry is to be the straight man and let Larry be Larry."
wow
you cannot read those quotes without hearing his smug know it all voice actually speaking them
thanks dickhead
That's the one. I actually howled in laughter after reading that shtein.
Jesus...
and a good bulk of the comments are complaining about franzke/LA and claiming wheeler knows the game
and thats the reason why well never rid ourselves of the wigged douche
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2011, 03:18:39 PM
you cannot read those quotes without hearing his smug know it all voice actually speaking them
thanks dickhead
I know right? God I hate that dude
Laynce Nix signed to 2yr deal per Salisbury
left field platoon with AAAberry?
Orioles hired Lee Thomas as a special assistant to the VP.
I didn't know he was still alive
Olney says Milwaukee is interested in Jimmy.
Marlins beat reporter says the Phils are pursuing Aramis Ramirez
Can he play defense at all? Does it matter?
He's not very good defensively. Zolecki saying he thinks this is contingent upon Rollins leaving. Bleh.
Defense is pointless
David freese says wut up stillupfront's moms
http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/for_phillies_everything_hinges_on_rollins/8527471?new_post=true
I prefer to keep Jimmy rather than sign Aramis
yeah defense and pitching has done wonders for the phillies
George Sherrill is a rumored target for a LH guy & they apparently are "actively shopping Polanco" as if another team is itching to pay him $7.25M
I thought it was a forgone conclusion they were eating Polancos salary, like as far back as last summer.
It's just 7 mil. Pennies.
Salisbury says the talks between smug and JRoll's agent didn't go well and JRoll isn't backing off 5 yrs. The Brewers might go after him now...
Yeah Jimmy said "I gave the Phillies a discount the first time"
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Phillies-Brewers-going-toe-to-toe-for-Rollins-.html
FWIW the smug pockface icehole is saying all the right things about bringing back Jimmy.
Also mentioning Madsen... For real?
Madson may accept arbitration because there isn't a huge closer's market [igy batsignal].
Papelbon will be a good set-up man.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 06, 2011, 07:32:49 PM
Papelbon will be a good set-up man.
lol
Madson back as the setup guy would be nice
Especially with an infield of Thome, Grit, Galvis, and Polanco!
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 06, 2011, 05:52:33 PM
Madson may accept arbitration because there isn't a huge closer's market [igy batsignal].
Stark:
QuoteOne agent on shrinking closer market: "If #RedSox trade for Andrew Bailey, which is a real possibility, Madson & KRod are in big trouble."
pujols apparently debating between marlins, cardinals and a mystery team who has offered 10 years. Anyone else have your jersey ordered?
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 06, 2011, 07:41:57 PM
Especially with an infield of Thome, Grit, Galvis, and Polanco!
Oh farg.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 06, 2011, 09:25:43 PM
pujols apparently debating between marlins, cardinals and a mystery team who has offered 10 years. Anyone else have your jersey ordered?
:-D
Mystery team is supposedly the Cubs
except the cubs were the original favorites to sign him so i dont know how that would be a mystery...seems like a mystery team would be on that has yet to be mentioned
The Angels are the mystery team
i dont know about you but im not really interested in baseballl yet
farg this team i still hate them
they went from your all time love to you hating them because they did exactly what we knew they were gonna do in the playoffs?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/phillies-interested-in-gio-gonzalez.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
:sly
this team really is going to go into next season with essentially the same offense arent they
Minus Howard and Jimmy.
sign pujols, trade howard to st. louis, schedule multiple parades
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2011, 09:24:52 AM
this team really is going to go into next season with essentially the same offense arent they
Yep.
His Smugness said that if they sign Jimmy that will probably be their final offensive move.
And they have cooled on Aramis and that Polanco is no longer on the block per a few of the writers.
he has to have a big move up his sleeve. i refuse to believe that he goes into this offseason with jimmy rollins being his best offensive acquisition
is everyone already forgetting about laynce nix?
if you mix around his first name you get cleany. he will bat clean-up and have a wonderful season.
HOF Brown is believed to be the centerpiece in the offer for Gio
Yeah I hope that isnt done because that signals the end of Hamels more than likely
does it really matter if they keep heidi....by the time hed be signed under a new deal the team is going to be at least the third best in the division and is going to stay there for four or five years....so what would be the point
Quote from: phattymatty on December 07, 2011, 11:48:12 AM
is everyone already forgetting about laynce nix?
if you mix around his first name you get cleany. he will bat clean-up and have a wonderful season.
Your mind is a strange place.
twitter rumblings are saying that Jimmy is coming back
Offensive issues solved
8 hole filled. Who's going to bat 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th?
Ur Mom?!?
She can't hit off-speed stuff.
jim bowden says deal with rollins is done.
Jim Duquette is saying Rollins and the Phils agreed to terms as well
11
Look forward to seeing him play mediocre baseball for 100-110 games next season!
That said, I still like the move. I just think the team is so farged.
Stark is calling the reports of Rollins agreeing to terms 'Bogus'
I'll take his word over anyone elses
Rollins is a Phillie for life. Bet every last cent you have on it.
I don't even care anymore. Wake me up when they get someone to take Howard's contract!
its not "finalized" yet but its got to be basically done
he was never going anywhere else. you really think he was gonna freeze his ass off in milwaukee and play for the corny ass brewers? come on man.
jimmy is straight pimp and all there is in milwaukee is fat people and other kinds of fat people.
He deluded himself into thinking he'd get 5 years. When he didn't get anything close to that offer he came running back. Looks like Madson is going to do the same. Stark was on earlier with Mike Miss and said Madson being brought back as the closer was practically a done deal, then Boras got greedy and the Phillies moved on. Now it's looking like he'll accept arbitration and be back for $9 million which is fine by me.
Bargain!
$22 mil for setup/closer is awful.
More value than Howard.
when some teams closer inevitably goes down to injury during the year, they can trade him for the bat that they will most likely need
Breaking news! My dad just told me that Beasley Reece JUST reported that Rollins wants 5 years, but the Phil's would prefer to keep it to 3.
Quote from: Rome on December 07, 2011, 05:34:52 PM
Rollins is a Phillie for life.
thats really all that matters to me...theyve been done since fall 10 as far as winning another title goes....so resigning jimmy who is on my short list of favorite athletes ever is my world series....ill be so happy if hes a phillie for life
Quote from: SD on December 07, 2011, 06:11:47 PM
He deluded himself into thinking he'd get 5 years. When he didn't get anything close to that offer he came running back. Looks like Madson is going to do the same. Stark was on earlier with Mike Miss and said Madson being brought back as the closer was practically a done deal, then Boras got greedy and the Phillies moved on.
ruben amaro is a complete clueless pos...he offers a guy 4-44 who now might sign for 1-9...and then as if to try and top his own idiocy signs another closer 50+
what a dope
Give it a rest.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 07, 2011, 05:34:59 PM
I don't even care anymore. Wake me up when they get someone to take Howard's contract!
lolol...150 days ago i had a schtick and was a hater of the highest degree...now you (and to be fair others) are posting this....you people make me physically sick sometimes
That was sarcasm, sweet knees.
At the time he had an intact Achilles.
I have no doubt heel be fine.
Quote from: Rome on December 07, 2011, 07:30:37 PM
That was sarcasm, sweet knees.
i wasnt talking to you buttercup
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 07, 2011, 07:30:53 PM
At the time he had an intact Achilles.
the thing is when he was healthy he was one of the main reasons they would never win the world series...not saying they are better off without him but they were in big trouble with him healthy
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2011, 07:35:26 PM
Quote from: Rome on December 07, 2011, 07:30:37 PM
That was sarcasm, sweet knees.
i wasnt talking to you buttercup
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 07, 2011, 07:30:53 PM
At the time he had an intact Achilles.
the thing is when he was healthy he was one of the main reasons they would never win the world series...not saying they are better off without him but they were in big trouble with him healthy
Pretty sure Rome knows who you were talking to, friend.
And I'm assuming you mean except for 2008?
yeah everyone was four years younger then
This offense gets me all excited for baseball season.
Word is now that Rollins may get $13-$14m per year for 3 years.
Fine with me.
Madson declining arbitration
Fine with me.
:-D to everything. I'm with Todd.
Trade Howard to Cards for batting practice balls, sign Fielder?
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 08, 2011, 07:16:25 PM
Trade Howard to Cards for batting practice balls, sign Fielder?
Howard Eskin = FF?
No but I did get retweeted by Spike last night.
Seth something or other from Fox Sports Radio was on the local station today, saying that the Cards may go after Rollins with a 4-year contract now that Pujols is gone.
Yep it makes sense they would do that...they won't sign Prince since Berkman will play 1B now and MIL signed Alex Gonzalez.
Get the damn deal done, Ruben.
And Rollins agent is the same as Pujols...maybe a "I will steer Rollins your way..." type agreement with STL GM?
700 year old lance berkman whose career was almost over a couple years ago would never be the reason the cards wouldnt sign prince
QuoteHe said if Rollins is re-signed as expected, his fortifications for the offense are probably done.
"I don't think we have a lot of needs, to be frank," Amaro said. "I'm pretty happy with our club as it stands, but that doesn't mean we're not going to try and get better."
What he says means very little. Because if he gets a chance to showcase his smugness in a national presser, he will.
stick a fork in them
while they stand still and watch themselves get older...many around them are getting better
Hasn't he said things like this before and still made big moves?
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 08, 2011, 11:32:05 PM
What he says means very little. Because if he gets a chance to showcase his smugness in a national presser, he will.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 09, 2011, 10:14:03 AM
Hasn't he said things like this before and still made big moves?
Yes.
he had prospects and money then....not only do they not have that now they dont even have valuable trade chips on the ML roster...unless you wanna trade halladay for a bat
you cant just say well he did this last year or two years ago so that automatically translates to now...every year is different
QuoteWhen asked if he would sign with the Phillies, Omar Vizquel told Manuel Lira of the Venezuelan newspaper Lider en Deportes (passed on by ESPN's Enrique Rojas) that "We're working on it." Vizquel turns 45 in April and would be playing his 24th Major League season in 2012. Vizquel played under Charlie Manuel when Manuel managed the Indians from 2000-02.
thatll pressure jimmy into caving. no doubt.
Give Vizquel a 5-year deal. That'll learn Jimmy a lesson.
Dave Bush - RHP
David Purcey - LHP
Steven Lerud - C
Signed and invited to big league camp
Championship.
More like suicide.
ben frank traded to toronto
so they can sign manny ramirez
oooooooo just blew your mind.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 12, 2011, 12:54:42 PM
ben frank traded to toronto
I need to be alone.
Poor bastich, his game winning HR in game 3 of this years NLDS is already forgotten.
crasnick reporting phils about to ink dontrelle willis 1 year 1 mil
Interesting.
If he can throw strikes.
Or maybe they want him as a LH PH off the bench.
my bet is dubee sees something on film mechanically that he believes he can fix in spring training....and they are bettin 1 mil that he does it
1 mil is a really small bet for this team. Good deal.
Halladay
Lee
Hamels
Worley
Kendrick
Blanton
Willis
Always good to go into Spring training with at least 4 guys fighting for the last two rotation spots (or 3 fighting for 1).
i think they see him as a lefty specialist out of the pen
Is it true that he and Rollins are buddies?
they are.
Why anyone would be opposed to a low risk-high reward possibility is beyond me.
To the credit of our fellow posters on :CF, I haven't seen that anyone is opposed to it. Yet.
how could you be...theres a 50/50 chance he doesnt even make the team
edit: just read that he got a major league deal which makes it higher than 50/50 he makes the team
Quote from: SunMo on December 13, 2011, 10:45:46 AM
i think they see him as a lefty specialist out of the pen
yeah theres no question about this...with the odb now a full time set up man dontrelle will take over the looogy role....which makes sense since he hasnt gotten a right hander out since like 2005
Love it
Willis would be an interesting signing. Can't see him taking a starting spot from Blanton (barring a trade). Blanton would be death in the bullpen. Lefty specialist seems about right.
Willis didn't just lose his control - he also lost a few MPH on his fastball.
smug's email was accidentally forwarded to some non-Phillies person (http://deadspin.com/5867604/phillies-sign-dontrelle-willis-reports-some-guy-who-says-he-accidentally-got-forwarded-an-email-from-ruben-amaro)
Trying to catch up while in town!
Quote@JimmyRollins11 u at home?
I love the Willis signing. Always liked the guy and I'm sure someone has mentioned his bat off the bench already so I'll skip the obvious (for once).
You can't say you're going to skip it after you didn't skip it.
Skip this right HERE buddy.
Willis is GOAT
QuoteWith that being said I'm fired up be with the fighting phillies and looking forward to this season #phillies
Too bad it isn't 2003 anymore.
Stark is reporting the Tigers have interest in Rollins
And other reports are saying they have less to offer than the Phillies do.
the willis move was great.
starter, sitch lefty, whatever. i love that dude and its as low a risk as you can get.
also for the 1000000000th time jimmy isnt going anywhere just stop
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2011, 11:34:38 PM
also for the 1000000000th time jimmy isnt going anywhere just stop
I'm borderline hoping he does just to shut you up
Jimmy re-signed....3 years + vesting option for 4th
awesome
Yay
$33M + $11M for the option
Let's please move on now.
roob finally figuring out how the market is suppose to work
jimmy the gawd
You're all welcome to kiss my ring now
Great job.
I read Salisbury's interview with Jimmy and he said that Milwaukee offered 4yrs. And then Gelb seemed to indicated that many people were against them re-signing him?
Who are these idiots who are against them bringing him back?
Don't go there J.
I have to admit the thought of Galev as the opening day SS forced me to scout all the tall buildings in Honolulu.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2ztbtrc.jpg)
Just another day in the life of what I assume is Roy Halladay
GET THE farg OFF MY BUMP MOTHERfargERS!
:-D
Quote from: Rome on December 19, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
GET THE farg OFF MY BUMP MOTHERfargERS!
Logan Morrison is a team player....
QuoteYes. No cup RT @Jacknbd: LoMo would you take a 91 mph cutter to the nuts from roy halladay if it meant you guys would win the world series
Ed Wade is going to be hired as a scout.
Houston should file a tampering grievance with the league
David Wright rumors won't die.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 23, 2011, 06:13:44 PM
David Wright rumors won't die.
A question for everyone: The Mets offer Wright straight up for HOF Brown...do you do it? Wright is only under contract for 2012 with an option for 2013.
Haha... are you kidding? I would drive Brown to the farging airport myself.
Christ, dude.
I'll throw in the free trip to Kauai and oceanside estate. Are we not over Dom Brown yet? I'd trade him for Justin Bieber at this point.
Quote from: SD on December 23, 2011, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 23, 2011, 06:13:44 PM
David Wright rumors won't die.
A question for everyone: The Mets offer Wright straight up for HOF Brown...do you do it? Wright is only under contract for 2012 with an option for 2013.
one young player means absolutely nothing to phillies cause by the time hes any good the team is going to be awful....altho its fair to say that their window is already closed so why get wright in the first place.....but i think if they did get him it gives them one more chance in 2012....so id def do it
im the ultimate dom brown optimist and i do that deal in a milisecond
Wonder if the Mets would be dumb enough to take Polanco in that deal. They'd need a replacement for Wright and would still be saving on salary. Was just talking with my pops about this deal as a possibility (I know it's a pipe dream) but Wright would rejuvenate what's starting to become a stale team.
Quote from: SD on December 24, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
Wonder if the Mets would be dumb enough to take Polanco in that deal. They'd need a replacement for Wright and would still be saving on salary. Was just talking with my pops about this deal as a possibility (I know it's a pipe dream) but Wright would rejuvenate what's starting to become a stale team.
the last player on the planet the mets would take is a over paid ancient horrendous hitting third basemen...
they have no money know they are going to suck no matter what and are trying to rebuild....on what earth would they ever take a polanco
Because they're the Mets
theyre the mets because they might trade their best player to a division rival
not because theyll take on a washed up expensive replacement
if the phillies somehow get wright, and im not even blinking to those rumors, they eat polancos salary faster than igy downs a pork sandwich from nicks
Roast beef, dummy.
either way its unkosher and i cant have it
Is THIS (http://theschoolphilly.com/2011/12/28/penn-state-football-players-take-tour-of-cowboys-stadium-surprise-for-romo/) kosher? Suck it, Romo!
Roy Halladay saved someone from a real anaconda or something. (http://www.zoowithroy.com/2011/12/roy-halladay-travels-to-amazon-and.html)
So Roy is off fighting giant snakes in the Amazon while the Mets are trying to stop R.A. Dickey from doing the relatively easy hike up Kilimanjaro. Once again the Phils are shown to be the more hetero franchise.
i got a phillies flip calendar trivia johnson for xmas and todays question is...
Which recent phillies catcher has the nickname "Chooch"?
Give me a second to google it. Wait.......................Ozzie Virgil?
Steve Lake, dammit!
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120106_No_suitors_for_Madson.html?cmpid=131298144
mock?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2012, 01:41:31 PM
i got a phillies flip calendar trivia johnson for xmas and todays question is...
Which recent phillies catcher has the nickname "Chooch"?
Bo Diaz? No wait, his name was crushed.
Crasnick reporting Phil's have interest in Kerry Wood...it hinges on Contreras' recovery.
the same kerry wood who didnt want to be traded to philly last year at the deadline
yea thats the guy i want
Pass.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/oa934/iama_top_prospect_in_the_mlb_minor_league_system/
Trevor May doing one of these "IAmA" thingso n reddit.
John Bowker released; they will miss his 0-12 power!
They're also interested in Jeremy Accardo
Gas Can to the Reds for $8.5M on a one year deal.
Nice job, Boras.
i dont know who got embarrassed more with that deal...boras or smug
Boras unless Papelolbon underperforms big time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2012, 07:22:54 AM
i dont know who got embarrassed more with that deal...boras or smug
Easily Boras. I don't know why the initial deal with the Phillies fell apart but it did and now Madson is playing on a 1 year deal below his market value. Why does smug care or look bad (and that's a rhetorical question you don't have to answer considering we've been over this countless times)? You can say he overpaid for Papelbon which is probably true, but at the end of the day he got the best closer on the market while Madson sat until mid-January 2012 and had to settle on a zesty one year deal. Nobody wanted him. Do you think Papelbon would have sat that long?
except the deal is only one year and if madson performs hes probably the top closer on the open market next year as its a weak crop
and i dont care who sits for how long...or who wanted or didnt want him...this isnt an ego game its a put the best roster possible on the field game and the phillies are worse off with paplebon and no offense than madson and what could have been a couple offensive upgrades...paplebon doesnt improve the phillies one iota from last year...closer was not an issue in the least...so what do they do?...they massively overpay for a closer while doing nothing to their offense
So correct answer is this...
Embarrassed more publicly: Boras
Embarrassed more in the mind of IGY: Smug
That was easy.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 11, 2012, 12:48:23 PM
So correct answer is this...
Embarrassed more publicly: Boras
Embarrassed more in the mind of IGY: Smug
That was easy.
thats correct...especially since the average baseball fan doesnt know a thing about the phillies roster and hates boras....in approx 10 months tho it will be smug on all fronts when his team comes up short once again and all he will have to show for it is the highest paid closer of all time for another three years
so they reason they wont win the world series is because of the 5 million extra they spent on papleboner that could have gone to madson.
ok.
it will be because they didnt improve their offense and instead lost their minds over a closer
at least they were first!
for this farging guy
(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Papelbon-cnsiders-tackling-badassery.jpg)
in those unnecessary 5 mil they spent on papelboner instead of madson (which i agree was idiotic), who could they have gotten. what player dont they have that they could have if they didnt waste 5 mil on a minuscule upgrade at a useless position?
the answer is nobody. it doesnt matter. if rube wanted someone he would have tried to get him. they are playing with monopoly money. stop. it.
if the phillies show me they are willing to blast thru the luxury threshold then i take everything back (well not really because the paplebon contract was nutty for any team)...but until then they are a team right on the cusp of it who cant go over and thus literally every million they spend is meaningful
you are looking at all wrong...its not just doing math this year but also the fact that paplebon got 10+ mil for FOUR years
you wanna allocate 50 mil to the closer position or you wanna allocate that money to offense and resinging heidi
who knows what they could have done this year (via trade or FA) or going forward if they had an extra 40+ million to play with which is what theyd have right now without paplebon...40 million bucks is a lot of god damn money
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2012, 02:44:51 PM
you are looking at all wrong...its not just doing math this year but also the fact that paplebon got 10+ mil for FOUR years
you wanna allocate 50 mil to the closer position or you wanna allocate that money to offense and resinging heidi
who knows what they could have done this year (via trade or FA) or going forward if they had an extra 40+ million to play with which is what theyd have right now without paplebon...40 million bucks is a lot of god damn money
I've agreed with havas on this from day 1, but damn if this isn't the most compelling argument you've made on this so far (at least that I've seen). It's not really about what they can afford to do this year but how much it's going to handcuff them in 2013 and beyond. And when you consider that Howard's awful contract just got a lot worse thanks to his torn Achilles, there is a lot of money tied up over the next few years that isn't going anywhere.
Replacing Lidge/Madson with Papelbon is a red herring. Whether you think or don't think that Amaro addressed the rest of the team adequately, a closer had to be signed and one was signed. Bada bing, bada farg you.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 11, 2012, 02:52:58 PM
Replacing Lidge/Madson with Papelbon is a red herring. Whether you think or don't think that Amaro addressed the rest of the team adequately, a closer had to be signed and one was signed. Bada bing, bada farg you.
i dont think anyone has ever advocated that they go into this year without a closer
http://www.reclinergm.com/updated-phillies-payroll-analysis-and-org-depth-chart/
According to this, their payroll obligations for next year are only 127 million. That leaves them 49 million to resign Hamels (20-25 mil range) and Victorino (what, like 17 mil AT MOST? And that's on the high end).
After that, the luxury tax goes up to 189 mil...so really the only year that's gonna be tough for them cash wise is next year, where they'll only have 7-12 million to fill out their roster after all the main guys are signed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2012, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 11, 2012, 02:52:58 PM
Replacing Lidge/Madson with Papelbon is a red herring. Whether you think or don't think that Amaro addressed the rest of the team adequately, a closer had to be signed and one was signed. Bada bing, bada farg you.
i dont think anyone has ever advocated that they go into this year without a closer
No, but you said...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2012, 08:01:10 AM
closer was not an issue in the least...so what do they do?...they massively overpay for a closer while doing nothing to their offense
Which is wrong. They had to address closer. Also had to address shortstop.
They also need to address 1B, 3B and LF.
this will be rube's deathblow but he obviously feels choke and utley are middle of the order machines.
unless laynce nix is the second coming of jayson werth its actually going to be pretty bad this year.
1B is going to be Ryan Howard and his 30 HR/100 RBI and they're jsut going to hope he gets hot in October.
They're still planning on Brown or AAAberry to take over LF, or at least hoping it happens
3B is the place they'll def have to go outside of the organization.
Basically, these next two years are them putting out superior pitching and hoping the line up gets hot at the right time to get another championship. 2014 is going to be the transition year, with Utley Chooch and Pence all coming off the books. At which point they'll probably throw their money into offense as it'll be expected that Doc and Cliff will be falling off performance wise by then. In that scenario, i'd like them to resign Pence, and see how far off Utley and Chooch fall over the next two years before deciding on going in other directions. They'll certainly have the money to put together a formidable offense if there are players out there, as the 2014 payroll is only 97 million at the moment (will be higher once Cole and Victorino sign). They'd prob have enough money to resign Pence and add at least one more big offensive piece.
Quote from: Munson on January 11, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
http://www.reclinergm.com/updated-phillies-payroll-analysis-and-org-depth-chart/
According to this, their payroll obligations for next year are only 127 million. That leaves them 49 million to resign Hamels (20-25 mil range) and Victorino (what, like 17 mil AT MOST? And that's on the high end).
After that, the luxury tax goes up to 189 mil...so really the only year that's gonna be tough for them cash wise is next year, where they'll only have 7-12 million to fill out their roster after all the main guys are signed.
Rollins isn't on that as it was last updated in November. No idea if it's accurate but you can take that 127 number and put it closer to 140 with his deal. Add into it they're going to have to re-sign Hamels, Vic and find a 3rd baseman and now you're close to the luxury threshold.
I knew it was missing a name and completely forgot about JRoll. Thank you SD. That was teh first one I could find that included Pappelbon.
The situation still remains more or less the same. The next two years they're basically rolling with what they got and hoping the pitching/getting lucky hot late in season will be enough to win it. 2014's choices are gonna be what determines how far they fall off (that and how far Doc and Lee fall off by then)
http://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/01/romero-settlement-validates-phils-title/
Apparently Romero "won" his court case regarding his positive test back in 08.
Quote from: Munson on January 11, 2012, 05:15:35 PM
1B is going to be Ryan Howard and his 30 HR/100 RBI and they're jsut going to hope he gets hot in October.
There is no guarantee this will happen in 2012 or ever again. Howard will resume baseball "activities" I believe in about 6 weeks. Thing is though is that it's his left achilles which is basically the foundation for all of his power. It's safe to assume that whenever he does come back, he still won't be at 100% strength down there and likely won't be ever again. Not to mention the loss of flexibility that comes with it which will impact his ability to rotate on it in the box and push off in the field. His defense had finally gotten to an acceptable level and this is going to impact that as well.
I only assume it will happen simply because even in his injury shortened seasons where he's looked craptacular (aka the last 2 years), he still managed to pull it off. Obviously how the heel heals (lulz) will play a big part in if he'll be able to do it this year, but once he's healthy, it wouldn't shock me if his powerful body could pull off at least another 2 seasons* of it before the power significantly drops off.
*The RBI's would also depend on those getting on base in front of him too, obviously
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 11, 2012, 06:47:27 PM
http://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/01/romero-settlement-validates-phils-title/
Apparently Romero "won" his court case regarding his positive test back in 08.
For the purpose of continuing to make tired roid puns and double entendres whenever his name is mentioned, I'm going to pretend I never read this.
Quote from: Munson on January 11, 2012, 06:57:18 PM
I only assume it will happen simply because even in his injury shortened seasons where he's looked craptacular (aka the last 2 years), he still managed to pull it off. Obviously how the heel heals (lulz) will play a big part in if he'll be able to do it this year, but once he's healthy, it wouldn't shock me if his powerful body could pull off at least another 2 seasons* of it before the power significantly drops off.
*The RBI's would also depend on those getting on base in front of him too, obviously
I honestly think that 30 hr is the best we can ever hope for from him again and he gets that number because of the short porch in CBP. I fully expect his road numbers to become pedestrian at best.
I'm also going to do a 180 here and go with an ES-like prediction. This injury could make Howard a better all around hitter because the power won't be there like it used to which will force him to be more selective at the plate and swing for contact more than power.
Two sides of the story (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7451360/ryan-madson-agent-scott-boras-ruben-amaro-jr-philadelphia-phillies-differ-details)
Seems pretty clear that Amaro got Madson's number and clearly thought Papelbon was worth the difference.
It's blatantly obvious what happened, Boras tried to play smug and smug called his bluff. They probably agreed to the deal in principle then Boras got greedy and tried to get more...probably tried to call around to gain other interest to raise his clients value, smug went elsewhere and Boras was stuck holding his dick in his hand.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tSSu2Qy8G9pTSsguHAbeu-A&output=html
Found an updated one with Jimmy on the balance sheet. 108 mil next year with Hamels and Vic needing to be resigned and Pence in his final year of arb
those 3 alone will eat up...60 mil on the high end?? Leaving them around 10 mil to play with to fill out the roster...next year will def be the tightest year. 2014 brings them a lot of breathing room though. Maybe If they're lucky maybe Hamels will agree to a deal like Lee where the first year of his new contract would be a lower salary.
Re: Madson... I think GM's looked at his entire body of work and noticed that last year was the first year he didn't get pantsed when closing and no team but the Yankees is going to fork over 40-plus million for a setup guy slash ninth inning gas can.
I like Madson and think he's a great eighth inning guy but he's not a lockdown closer and I don't think he ever will be.
Thanks for oh '08 though.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 11, 2012, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2012, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 11, 2012, 02:52:58 PM
Replacing Lidge/Madson with Papelbon is a red herring. Whether you think or don't think that Amaro addressed the rest of the team adequately, a closer had to be signed and one was signed. Bada bing, bada farg you.
i dont think anyone has ever advocated that they go into this year without a closer
No, but you said...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2012, 08:01:10 AM
closer was not an issue in the least...so what do they do?...they massively overpay for a closer while doing nothing to their offense
Which is wrong. They had to address closer. Also had to address shortstop.
you are mis understanding what im saying...im not saying closer didnt need to be addressed...im saying closer was not an issue last year as to why they lost...there was no reason to spend 50 mil on that position...they could have mariano rivera in his prime it wouldnt make one difference on this team
Quote from: Rome on January 12, 2012, 07:36:47 AM
Re: Madson... I think GM's looked at his entire body of work and noticed that last year was the first year he didn't get pantsed when closing and no team but the Yankees is going to fork over 40-plus million for a setup guy slash ninth inning gas can.
I like Madson and think he's a great eighth inning guy but he's not a lockdown closer and I don't think he ever will be.
i get what you are saying regarding the length of madsons resume but he still was 32 for 34 last year...and smugs mistake was not in not giving madson 40 mil...it was spazzing out and giving paplebon 50 mil for no other reason than to say he got the best closer on the market i guess
whats most curious is that a month later smug did exactly the right thing with jimmy...he held back and let the market set itself...and then got a team friendly deal...and this was with a position where the phillies plan b was freddy farging galvis...in other words there was no plan b....
the closer market on the other hand was saturated...to put it in perspective paplebon got more money than the next three closers on the market combined
Lidge made 12.5M and so will Papelbon. If it's true that they slot positions in terms of payroll importance then it's not a stretch to believe they saw Papelbon out there, offered him Lidge's payroll slot and moved on without giving it another thought.
And I would much rather have Papelbon than Madson with the game on the line so the extra money and years he got is inconsequential to me.
they dont slot positions....you are thinking of the eagles
and if money is inconsequential to you then really theres nothing to discuss and every deal the phillies throw out there is the best ever
i tend to look at things more in shades of grey rather than strictly black n white
also last year madson had more saves less blown saves and didnt choke the season away in the final game of the year
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
i tend to look at things more in shades of grey rather than strictly black n white
Really bad analogy on your part.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
and if money is inconsequential to you then really theres nothing to discuss and every deal the phillies throw out there is the best ever
i tend to look at things more in shades of grey rather than strictly black n white
I actually had to read this twice.
Good God.
:-D
If there were liquid in my mouth I might have spit all over the screen reading that
dude that won jeopardy tonight is one of the phanstormers, those crowd amping people at the phils games. never knew they were called phanstormers but trebek threw in a shot at the phillies afterward.
hah, I was watching and immediately thought "suck it, trebek" in my mind.
Phillie Phanatic got a mention though so...yay.
Phils and Kendrick avoided arbitration. 1 yr, $3.5mil.
hes the worst pitcher in the history of baseball
terrible deal
That's $3.5m they could have tacked on as easily-reachable incentives into Papelbon's deal.
can this kendrick kid hit at all?
Joel Pineiro signed a minor league + ST invite
All In!
Quote from: SD on January 11, 2012, 09:10:15 PM
It's blatantly obvious what happened, Boras tried to play smug and smug called his bluff. They probably agreed to the deal in principle then Boras got greedy and tried to get more...probably tried to call around to gain other interest to raise his clients value, smug went elsewhere and Boras was stuck holding his dick in his hand.
Eskin on Sports Final saying ^this is exactly what happened. Madson/Boras agreed with smug in principle on a deal, Boras floated that number around to a bunch of other teams. Smug moved on. Madson got farged in the end.
Phillies avoided arbitration with Cole. 1 year, $15M
Lock. Him. Up.
and Valdez gets $930K
By my calculations, that brings their payroll up this year to 157 million, with Pence still needing to be signed or arb'd. ANd the "free guys" bringing that cost up to roughly 160 million. So, Pence gets 10 mil and that leaves them with about 8 mil to play around with and add whatever they need by the break?
Pence is under contract this year, isn't he?
hes arbitration eligible
the deal i dont get was offering kendrick arbitration and then singing him to a ridiculous 3.5 mil deal...talk about wasted money
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 17, 2012, 04:54:02 PM
Pence is under contract this year, isn't he?
As IGY said, he's up for arb...last year he was 6.9 mil so I'm hoping he only goes up as far as 10 mil this year.
The good news is, unlike Hamels, he's still up for arb in 2013 too so the urgency to get a long term deal done for him can still wait another year
$3.58M for a swingman is not outrageous at all. It's 2 fargin percent of the total payroll of the team.
its a lot of money for a guy whos gonna make like 12 starts this year....especially when they just signed joel piniero...who is probably better....to a minor league deal
No, it's really not. I'm not arguing with you, though. Not on something as blatantly ridiculous as this from you. Sorry.
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Agent-expects-elite-contract-for-Hamels?blockID=633252&feedID=704
QuoteWhile Boggs did not want to put a specific number on Hamels' value, he made it clear that he does not consider Jered Weaver's five-year, $85 million contract with the Los Angeles Angels to be a valid comparable for his client. Weaver, who is a year older than Hamels and has similar career numbers, signed the deal in August. It carries an AAV of $17 million.
"I don't think it's a parallel," Boggs said of Weaver's deal. "That contract is great for Jered. I understand it. But he took a different path and left a lot of money on the table. He came up through the Angels system and grew up in their backward. He's pitching where he grew up. That situation appeals to him. It's a similar situation to when I had Tony Gwynn.
"Without getting into specifics of what we're looking for, the Weaver situation is unique to Weaver."
So the Phils would appear to have their work cut out for them in their quest to retain Hamels longterm. General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. does not talk about the specifics of contract negotiations, but he did say he will continue to speak with Boggs and try to get a longterm deal done. Boggs said he was planning to visit with Amaro during spring training in Clearwater. The Phils have exclusive negotiating rights with Hamels until five days after the 2012 World Series, and Boggs said he hadn't considered setting any deadlines.
If Hamels stays healthy in 2012 and continues to improve – he had a career-best 2.79 ERA and finished fifth in NL Cy Young voting in 2011 – he will have plenty of suitors on the free-agent market. But his preference at this time is to get something done with the team that drafted him in 2002.
"When you're this close [to free-agency] you have mixed emotions," Boggs said. "But Cole has come through the Phillies organization, and if you asked him his preference, more than likely he'd want to remain with the Phillies. That's how it would be going into the negotiations, but every negotiation is different. Everything depends on our perceived value of what Cole is worth and what their perceived value of him is. That will dictate if a long-term deal gets done. We'll always give the Phillies every opportunity to secure him."
If he pitches as well this year as he did last, he deserves 20 mil a year. He could probably get 23 or so on the open market the way Lee was able to squeeze it out of the Phils.
Hopefully they offer him 20 mil a year and he takes it.
philly.com has a rumor that one phillie is gay and or bisexual
the answer is chase utley
Quote from: MDS on January 17, 2012, 11:01:11 PM
philly.com has a rumor that one phillie is gay and or bisexual
the answer is chase utley
Quote from: phillymagIn fact, a recent Phillies player, a renowned womanizer has been rumored to be quite interested in men.
no wonder the machine had that outfit
pat the bat makes sense but i dont think hes still trolling around cc anymore
hes prob back in florida or california or whatever
He's still locked up in Brian Wilson's basement.
(http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_Brock/wilsonandthemachine.jpg)
um, yeah thats why pat went to SF.
So when he's got Big Time Timmy Jim bent over the dugout bench, does he have a woman there so he can scream "Your Hoyda is jealous!" at her while he goes to town on Timmy's ass?
I read where His Smugness came out and said that its MAAAyberry and Nix platooning in LF unless HOF comes in and blows them all away.
Apparently Victorino is gonna be on an episode of HAwaii Five 0
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 19, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
I read where His Smugness came out and said that its MAAAyberry and Nix platooning in LF unless HOF comes in and blows them all away.
figured as much, and its actually not terrible
the real problem is 3B. and 1B. and thinking utley is still a 3 hitter. and thinking jimmy is still a leadoff hitter.
Quote from: Munson on January 19, 2012, 09:32:48 PM
Apparently Victorino is gonna be on an episode of HAwaii Five 0
Can't hurt. The show is god awful. Maybe Shane can give a few acting lessons to Grace Park because she is by far the worst.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 19, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
I read where His Smugness came out and said that its MAAAyberry and Nix platooning in LF unless HOF comes in and blows them all away.
wait i thought matt kemp was gonna be in left?
the dodgers are broke and smug always make a move you dont expect
I still believe
hes coming right after stamkos
I thought it was after the Eagles traded Asante to the Niners for Willis
Just when I'm starting to get jacked up for pitchers & catchers you bums bring me back to earth. 1B, 3B, LF, Brittle Grit, etc. :puke
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2012, 07:50:12 AM
hes coming right after stamkos
:-D
(http://therealestatecoconut.com/files/2010/03/FingersCrossed.jpg)
If they stay healthy and Howard comes back strong they'll win 95-100 easy and waltz thru the playoffs.
Calm down, already. Jeezus...
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
If they stay healthy and Howard comes back strong they'll win 95-100 easy and waltz thru the playoffs.
lol
Todd? igy? jay? Help me here.
Holla
http://philly.sbnation.com/philadelphia-phillies/2012/1/17/2714701/hunter-pence-arbitration-phillies-outfielder-files-for-11-8-million
Pence wants 11.8, Phillies wanna give him 9.
If Hunter wins, that'll put their payroll for 2012 at around 168.1 million. They'd still have to may Mayberry Jr, Martinez, basticho, and Herndon at league minimum (425K or so) and Valdez on arb (900K last yaer)...so what, 3.5 million between those guys?
So around 172 Million, 6 million dollars in space.....
Valdez already got about 930k this year.
Andy Musser is dead.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2012, 11:11:52 AM
Valdez already got about 930k this year.
Well, there you go.
Ed, any worth while bats gonna be available this summer that are worth 6 million or less?
I saw a tweet today that the Phils are interested in Francisco Cordero.
That would be a nice move as an 8th inning guy.
SIGN HIM!
2011 League Ranks:
• 7th in NL in Sv (37)
2011 Salary: $12,125,000
a 36 year old pitcher is exactly what this teams needs to be concentrating on
Quote"I'm kind of happy," he said. "Really happy. Because if I would have had to put an 8- or 9-year deal on Howard's deal right now, that would be a little disconcerting. Right now, we have Howard for the next 5 years. I kind of like that idea rather than having to do an 8- or 9- or 10-year deal.
"You can say what you want about Ryan Howard and how he stacks up against those guys, but there's not too many people who, over the last several years, have had this kind of production - and he's right there in the mix with those guys."
smug smugging it up on his ONLY 5 year howard contract
id rather have pujols for 30 years than howard for 2. one is very good. the other is fat and zesty.
thats funny i didnt know they were both 27 and entering the prime years of their career
dont get me wrong the prince deal is a little wacky but its still preferable to chokes as hes a way better player
smug as usual jumped the gun with choke signing him two years before he was to become a free agent and doing this when the guy was 30 years old
and at worst prince and albert can still do their things at dh for the next 10 years
choke wont be able to walk right in 3 years after playing 160 games in the field.
Valdez is outta here. Traded to the Reds for a minor league lefty reliever
so they sign him and then trade him a few days later?
wut
Quote from: Rome on January 25, 2012, 04:18:05 PM
so they sign him and then trade him a few days later?
wut
they didnt wanna go to arbitration with him and you cant trade someone who isnt signed
I thought they signed him for 930k?
I liked that dude. They should have kept him.
Yeah i don't get that, unless they really reallllly like Martinez.
So they're back to about 7 million dollars of space for the year.
They're clearing room to sign Francisco Cordero!
Get Stamkos!
+1
Great, now they don't have an emergency closer.
typical "classy" move by the organization
martinez is over him in the pecking order, so they shipped him somewhere else where he can have a chance to play. it scores points with agents and players. i guess.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2012, 05:06:00 PM
I liked that dude. They should have kept him.
Me too. Very versatile in the field, not a major liability at the plate. Basically a great bench guy.
if you wanted to keep him, then mike mart had to go. thats a reasonable opinion, dont get me wrong. but the bench as is now:
martinez
schneider
wiggy igy
thome
AAAberry
no spot for valdez. i mean they could have brought him into camp and waited to see if someone got injured or something, but again, its not a "professional" move and the phillies have been known to do things like that.
I would have kept him over Mike Mike.
valdez is gone because of money...plain and simple...he cost double martinez and offers nothing more...at least with martinez you can bring him off the bench and have him steal a base
How's his fast ball though?
Yeah, that $970K he was gonna make was a back breaker in the $175M budget they'll be running.
Good God.
the 175 number means nothing....178 is the number that you need to pay attention to...and every dollar counts as far as the luxury tax threshold is concerned
im by no means an expert but you have less of an understanding of sports finance than anyone ive ever met
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2012, 10:29:27 AM
you have less of an understanding of sports finance than anyone ive ever met
Don't get out much?
yeah but i hang out with smart people...not FOR (friends of russell) smart but still...
Lidge to DC. thanks for 08
romey after the phils signed choke to a deal that will pay him 25 mil a year btwn the ages of 32 to 36....
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2010, 03:04:49 PM
Guys as big as Howard almost universally break down after they turn 35. Those last three years are going to be tough to swallow, but then again, the years really don't matter because at $25-27M they're getting a pretty large bargain.
romey after the tigers signed the prince to a deal that will pay him 24 mil per year btwn the ages of 27 and 35
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2012, 06:01:46 PM
That is certifiable.
Sleep well my friends.
QuoteFor a win-now team, the Phillies' farm system still made ripples in MLB.com's Top 100 Prospects list, for the same reason that drives the big league club's success: pitching.
Trevor May, the 22-year-old right-hander drafted in the fourth round in 2008, is the Phils' top-ranked prospect at No. 54. Less than two full years removed from his 2010 first-round selection, southpaw Jesse Biddle comes in at No. 78, with righty Brody Colvin close behind at No. 80.
It would be nice to have just one of those guys pan out as a top of the rotation starter, then you can go Hamels/young guy at the top and have teh 3-4-5 be a mixture of Worley and young guy/cheaper vet that are mid-back rotation guys. Hopefully that will be the picture in 2-4 years when Halladay and Lee are gone.
So Sandberg was on WIP today and said he believed that the Phils messed up HOF by rushing him to the bigs.
His Smugness probably didn't like to hear that.
Well Ryne, it's up to you to fix it this year ya shtein.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 26, 2012, 07:49:00 PM
His Smugness probably didn't like to hear that.
smoke definitely coming out of his ears
Salisbury says the Phils are interested in signing Juan Pierre to a minor league deal
signed.
hard to believe he couldnt get more than a minor league deal....does he have aids or something
No, he's just not very good anymore.
i didn't realize he actually had 68 SBs in 2010. assumed he had really lost it but that wasn't too long ago.
Victorino is worried about his job security.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 27, 2012, 11:46:43 AM
i didn't realize he actually had 68 SBs in 2010. assumed he had really lost it but that wasn't too long ago.
he was 5th in the AL LAST year in AB's and had 180 hits
hard to believe he couldnt have gotten a major league deal to be on someones bench
Quote from: phattymatty on January 27, 2012, 11:46:43 AM
i didn't realize he actually had 68 SBs in 2010. assumed he had really lost it but that wasn't too long ago.
Wow...I didn't realize that either. I thought dude had fallen off the map completely and was having maybe some injury issues or something, but he's played in 158 and 160 games during the last 2 seasons. Looking at his stats for the last 2 years, they aren't "terrible" but they're significantly below his career average. His avg, obp, slg and ops have all dropped and his k's have gone up. But his hits are fairly steady. Biggest concern with his is probably his defense in the OF. Last year he committed 7 errors but then he also had 5 assists. I guess if he impresses in the spring then they can find a spot on the roster for him. He's probably an insurance policy/back up plan incase HOF sucks ass.
adrian cardenas who was the top prospect given up in the blanton trade was just waived by the a's
:easybatsignal
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
adrian cardenas who was the top prospect given up in the blanton trade was just waived by the a's
:easybatsignal
Might as well bring him back, he can play both 2b and SS.
Like the Pierre move, they're really stocking up on the ex-Marlins who used to be good. Pierre can fill a ton of roles.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 27, 2012, 12:02:23 PMHe's probably an insurance policy/back up plan incase HOF sucks ass.
Probably won't see HOF for most of the year. The LF platoon is Mayberry and Nix. Hopefully Pierre never sees the field, but besides pinch running, he can sac bunt too....something this team has sucked at for 10 years...
They signed him because he's Dontrelle's boy.
this will be as meaningful as the luis castillo signing
shut up, all of you. its juan pierre.
Quote from: MDS on January 27, 2012, 01:05:59 PM
this will be as meaningful as the luis castillo signing
shut up, all of you. its juan pierre.
says the guy who posted several times on the monster wilson valdez trade
its a phillies thread....pretty sure people are going to at least somewhat discuss any move they make
Quote from: MDS on January 27, 2012, 01:05:59 PM
shut up, all of you. its juan pierre.
When he scores the winning run in the World Series, we will all laugh at you Nelson Muntz style.
hunter pence to get 10.4 this year
That's pretty much right in the middle of what each side wanted, isn't it?
Exactly in the middle...9.0 and 11.8 were the numbers, 1.4 off from each.
Friendly. Hopefully this is good news for a long term deal in the future.
Holy christ. They're may be room for Rome and I on this bench. Whole new meaning to "Senior's Night".
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Countdown-to-Clearwater-Young-works-out-?blockID=641254&feedID=693 (http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Countdown-to-Clearwater-Young-works-out-?blockID=641254&feedID=693)
i love dyoung, but they have to stop dipping into the well of washed up former nl east players
burrell is retiring
(http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/2008+Philadelphia+Phillies+World+Series+Victory+UAhg0BrYJTzl.jpg)
And then coming out of the closet?
That would depend on whether the line of cocaine continues on underneath and past the door.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 30, 2012, 06:15:21 PM
Holy christ. They're may be room for Rome and I on this bench. Whole new meaning to "Senior's Night".
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Countdown-to-Clearwater-Young-works-out-?blockID=641254&feedID=693 (http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Countdown-to-Clearwater-Young-works-out-?blockID=641254&feedID=693)
Jeez.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 30, 2012, 06:15:21 PM
Holy christ. They're may be room for Rome and I on this bench. Whole new meaning to "Senior's Night".
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Countdown-to-Clearwater-Young-works-out-?blockID=641254&feedID=693 (http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Countdown-to-Clearwater-Young-works-out-?blockID=641254&feedID=693)
Don't forget me. Who's dealing the Pinochle?
I actually started playing golf from the white tees lately.
No more 7,000 yard courses for me.
Mock!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 30, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on January 30, 2012, 06:15:21 PM
Holy christ. They're may be room for Rome and I on this bench. Whole new meaning to "Senior's Night".
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Countdown-to-Clearwater-Young-works-out-?blockID=641254&feedID=693 (http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Countdown-to-Clearwater-Young-works-out-?blockID=641254&feedID=693)
Don't forget me. Who's dealing the Pinochle?
You haven't turned cranky yet. I expect some real nasty tirades from you come the dog days of summer.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2012, 06:41:14 PM
burrell is retiring
My all time favorite Pat the Bat moment:
(http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2007/04/medium_BurrellFinger.gif)
Amaro is considering signing Pat to a 1-day contract so he can retire as a Phil
Also more signs that Wade is back....$1.2M was just spent on Chad friggin Qualls
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 31, 2012, 11:56:25 AM
Amaro is considering signing Pat to a 1-day contract so he can retire as a Phil
There really shouldn't be anything to consider. Just do it. Granted, Burrell never acheived full potential or lived up to the hype, but he played the overwhelming majority of his career in Philly, had his best years here and helped win the first title in 28 years. Give him the 1 day deal and let him retire in the same place he started.
QuoteAlso more signs that Wade is back....$1.2M was just spent on Chad friggin Qualls
Ed Wade? Did I miss something?
I was joking but if you did miss it... (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/135921883.html)
Oh, he was hired in December. No wonder I didn't know about it. I was up to my eyes in toy distribution for Toys For Tots.
QuoteQualls has not fared well through the years at Citizens Bank Park. In 13 career appearances at the Phillies' home park, he is 2-2 with an 11.12 ERA. He has allowed 21 hits and a whopping seven home runs in 11 1/3 innings pitched there.
Chad Qualls blows.
theres a 95% chance hes danys baez and a 5% chance hes chad durbin
its 1 year and the money is basically a couple of pennies amaro found under the couch. whatever.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 31, 2012, 02:57:02 PM
QuoteQualls has not fared well through the years at Citizens Bank Park. In 13 career appearances at the Phillies' home park, he is 2-2 with an 11.12 ERA. He has allowed 21 hits and a whopping seven home runs in 11 1/3 innings pitched there.
So he only takes the mound on road trips.
Quote from: MDS on February 01, 2012, 12:44:43 AM
theres a 95% chance hes danys baez and a 5% chance hes chad durbin
its 1 year and the money is basically a couple of pennies amaro found under the couch. whatever.
over a million bucks for a guy who can only pitch against rhb's is not pennies when you are right at the lux tax...especially when the one position they do have ready in the system are relievers who would make the league minimum and they paid kendrick who is a guy that can play the same role as qualls 3.6 million....
they should have went into spring training and peeped what you had as far as how the kids looked...if they were less than impressive and contreas cant come back then maybe you go out and get someone...this was not necessary at this point in time imo
they make a lot of moves that arent necessary, but ultimately dont matter. like this one.
who were they going to sign with the 'few remaining dollars' they have under the luxury tax? the roster is set. they are who they are.
Quote from: MDS on February 01, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
they make a lot of moves that arent necessary, but ultimately dont matter. like this one.
who were they going to sign with the 'few remaining dollars' they have under the luxury tax? the roster is set. they are who they are.
they arent going to sign anyone but they will need every dollar they can muster to possibly trade for a bat at the deadline
what part of ty wiggerton and the corpse jim thome dont you understand
well yeah if it is what it is then the season is over before it starts and it doesnt matter what they spend now
i suppose its possible they also bust thru the lux tax ceiling...they have never publically stated they wouldnt but if we are to believe everythign weve heard then that is something they arent willing to do
They've got like 7-8 million left in space...any bat they would get that would cost moer then that would probably include them giving up some salary in a proven player anyway
My understanding of the luxury tax is that they'd only pay tax on the excess - the amount over the threshold, not the entire salary. If they go over by 5 million or so, the amount of actual tax would be negligible.
EDIT: The tax for the first offender is 20% for every dollar over. So for $5M over, the tax would be $1M. Maybe not negligible, but doable for a big market club.
That said, I'm with Igy in that I'll believe they'll go over the threshold when they actually do. All indications are that they plan on staying under that limit.
They may have to go over next year if they want to sign all 3 of Hamels, Pence, and Victorino, AND still have some money invested in the bench and bullpen. If they go with extremely cheap guys tehre though then they should be able to pull it off.
If they were to sign Hamels to a deal before the year starts, could they put some of the salary of it onto this years contract so they could maybe pay him a little less next year to give them a little wiggle room? I'm not sure how mlb contract rules work
you have hamels, pence and victorino... pick 2 to come back. i don't see them signing all three for 2013.
personally, i would put the priority on hamels and pence and let victorino walk.
If Pence racks up a great year they might give him a nutty extension but guys like him aren't that tough to find. They have mondy to do whatever they want anyway, so...
Quote from: charlie on February 02, 2012, 01:26:16 PM
you have hamels, pence and victorino... pick 2 to come back. i don't see them signing all three for 2013.
personally, i would put the priority on hamels and pence and let victorino walk.
if they signed them all at 22 mil, 15 mil, and 12 mil per (just rough estimates...probably under on pence and over on Vic?), they'd be at 157 million, with decisions to be made on Chooch's option and 3rd base. They could get chooch back cheap and go cheap at 3rd base and the rest of the guys...it would just be another year like this, where the pitching's going to have to win it.
After next year though, Utley comes off the books and the tax goes up to 189 million...so they should have wiggle room again. Wonder what they'll offer Halladay if he doesn't vest his option
Quote from: charlie on February 02, 2012, 01:26:16 PM
pick 2 to come back. i don't see them signing all three for 2013.
pence really doesnt factor in the equation as they control him thru the 2013 season....so theoretically they could lock up heidi and braindead long term and have all three thru 2013 after agreeing with pence on a one year deal
id trade heidi before the season starts...carrying three pitchers two of whom are on the back end of their careers at 60+ million dollars a year is not smart...heidi is no doubt looking at cc sabathias deal and thinking 150 million dollars...whether he gets that or not who knows but the phils arent going anywhere close to that number...so rather than lose him for two draft picks at the end of the year deal him now for a bucketload of prospects that will help you rebuild in a couple years when their roster is going to be old and fugly
otherwise you want to sign him after the season starts to save on your 2012 calcuable payroll since you are up against the lux tax
as far as pence i use up his controllable years and then let him walk....what good will a long term deal for him do for you in 2014 when you are going to be rebuilding
if i can get victorino for three years at a fair price then i might extend him next year but other wise bye bye...hes a speed guy whos aging so you have to be careful what you give him
IGY Batsignal:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ehmQ_blog.html
Visits from the Phillies in recent years have meant quotes from the home clubhouse about getting booed at home — "You wish they were cheering for you," Michael Morse said last August. They've meant disgusted asides from media members — "It's a good thing (for me) that I'm not 18 again and going to ballgames with three of my old D.C. street-ball buddies," Thomas Boswell once wrote — and unsightly photographs of row after row filled with Philadelphia t-shirts and jerseys.
The visits have brought e-mails and phone calls from D.C. fans who say they now avoid going to Nats games when the Phillies are in town, and self-congratulatory gloating from Philadelphia fans about Citizens Bank Park South. And above all, they're brought laments about Stan Kasten's long-ago radio homage to Washington's rivals, in which he invited those fans to fill up Nationals Park.
I hated it. You hated it. Boswell hated it. Jayson Werth hated it. And now, the people who run the Nationals are trying to make a change.
"Frankly, I was tired of seeing it," Nats COO Andy Feffer told me this week. "Forget you, Philly. This is our park, this is our town, these are our fans, and it's our time right now."
Which is why, starting Friday morning at 8 a.m., the club will begin selling single-game tickets for just a single weekend series: May 4-6, against the Phillies. These tickets will remain on sale for a full month before the rest of single-game tickets go on sale. And they'll be available only to buyers with a credit card tied to an address in Maryland, the District or Virginia.
"We've heard it enough, we've seen it enough, and I don't like it any more than anyone else," Feffer said. "We're trying to build a team here, and nothing irks me personally or the people here more than to see another team's fans — particularly Philly fans — in our ballpark, holding up signs. That's not the way it should be. And I think we've got an opportunity here to do something different."
(To register for the offer, go to nationals.com/ourpark; once your address is verified, the team will send you a one-time password to complete your purchase.)
The team is also sending out a notice to season-ticket holders, alerting them about the pre-sale and encouraging them to make sure their tickets remain in the hands of Nats fans when the Phillies visit. "Take Back the Park," the Nats are calling it, and they want the whole community to rally behind this effort.
Now, this obviously isn't a perfect solution. There are thousands of Phillies fans who do live in the D.C. area, and won't be affected by the restrictions on home addresses. Tickets will always find their way to the secondary market, and the series — which includes a nationally televised Sunday night game — is unlikely to sell out before March.
Still, for all of us who have hammered the team for its embrace of rival fans, this is no small gesture, which is why I'll be happy to buy some tickets of my own to this series. And you should, too. Yes, I'll drop my cynicism and advocate for what's good and noble in the world.
"We've got some other things planned for the Phillies," Feffer also said. "Don't expect their buses to be hanging out and dropping off their fans right around the ballpark here. I'm gonna stick 'em across the river if I can, make 'em swim across."
This was a joke, of course. And neither he nor I would like you to be overtly rude to any out-of-town visitors who find their way inside.
"Seriously, for those fans who do come, we treat all guests with respect and courtesy," Feffer said. "But look, we're not gonna make it easy for group sales, for buses coming from Philly. I will not make it easy for those guys to buy tickets or get into this ballpark. Once they're here, obviously we treat all our guests as patrons, with respect."
I did wonder whether making this effort public could backfire. Whether asking Nats fans to lock Phillies fans out and suggesting out-of-towners "have a cheesesteak and watch it on TV," as Feffer joked, would just encourage them to make an extra effort to find tickets.
"Look, this is what a rivalry's about," Feffer said. "The Phillies and Nationals should be that rivalry that people get fired up about, and that's ok. I want Phillies fans to acknowledge that we're a legitimate contender and that we're for real. And you know what? If Phillies fans are a little bit irked, that means they're paying attention."
So buy some tickets for that first weekend of May, good citizens of D.C. Take advantage of your local credit card. Back your local baseball team up.
"There's a huge fan base here, and they're excitable, and they're ready," Feffer said. "What we really hope is that by creating and igniting a rivalry here, it'll be just as raucous here as they get up in Philly, and that we'll own our own ballpark."
IGY should dip into his gold supply and buy every ticket.
That might be the most pathetic story I've ever read sports-wise.
if he think its bad just wait until the o's weekender this year
i may be even partaking in that bodymore takeover
So the bums should throw a hissy fit over Red Sox Nation and Werth's favorite group the Mets fans taking over CBP. farg you DC Nots.
id be all for the phillies doing the same thing to keep red sox fans out of the bank
i was there last year and it really wasnt that bad
their bandwagon died down a few years ago. the thing you can say about the phillies fans taking over dc is they all mostly legit...i mean of course the south jersey folks/delaware trailer trash gets in on the mix but at least they are from the delaware valley.
sox/yanks bandwagoners are pure bread follow the winning team type people and deserve the gas chamber.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2012, 12:08:29 AM
id be all for the phillies doing the same thing to keep red sox fans out of the bank
shut up and buy me tickets to D.C. farghead
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-articles/february/your-2012-mlb-on-fox-schedule.html
a good 7 or 8 phillies games that no one outside of philly will be able to see. i especially love the 2 times the phillies are up against yanks/sox which means theres a 0% chance the game will go to any other outside market.
its terrific that i pay $125 to get every baseball game except for ones during fox's package, when im told which gave i have to watch.
farg fox. farg selig. farg this.
Just consider yourself fortunate that Bud even allows you to watch any games at all. Ingrate.
Rumors are if Rube can find someone to take Fat Joe, they want to bring back Roy O
Quote from: Munson on February 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Rumors are if Rube can find someone to take Fat Joe, they want to bring back Roy O
but no one will take blanton when they could just sign oswalt for the same money
Exactly. Who the hell wants Blanton?
Got this email from my friend this morning who lives about two miles down the road. This is our good omen here in the islands for the upcoming season. Oh, and of course Victorino's cameo on Hawaii 5-0 that airs next week (I think it's next week).
QuoteI was alone Saturday morning about 8am eating breakfast when the doorbell rang. It was a guy in his 70's. And a woman a bit younger. He was staying on our street rehabbing a surgery. They had a few gifts for me because they saw my Phillies wheel cover.
The lady was harry kalas' widow, Eileen
I told her how special her husband was to us all with a few stories.
Not a bad way to start the weekend !
Quote from: SD on February 09, 2012, 07:48:16 PM
Exactly. Who the hell wants Blanton?
someone will take him if the phillies pay a portion of his salary
I'd rather have blanton than oswalt
There. Someone had to say it.
I second that.
So apparently the Phillies are expected to get a 5 billion dollar TV deal when their contract with Comcast is up in 2015, and even possibly their own network...
Five BILLION?
That would be 250 million a year for 20 years.
How is that even possible? Seriously, I've read the same number on the net but something doesn't add up even if the Phillies and Comcast start their own regional network.
it doesnt add up for them to start their own network...unless of course it was a joint venture with comcast where they also took on a bunch of college basketball and zesty local college football.
comcast is just going to give them a funholeload of money
Rome, according the the article, it said the Phils might hand over the advert sales to whatever network gave them such a huge deal. Apparently they currently handle the ad revenue and get it directly, instead of the network.
It really is amazing how little in TV revenue they get compared to some of the other teams out there.
Olney reporting that the other team involved in AJ Burnett talks were the Phils. They would've had to move Blanton but thank god that didn't happen. Burnett stinks.
He rejected a deal to the Angels too (heard on ESPN radio).
And Ibanez is about to go to the Yanks.
Burnett rejected the Angels because his wife is afraid to fly. WTF?
semi-decent news:
mlb.tv for the phone is now free with an mlb.tv subscription. last year it wasnt.
the EI and internet/phone/ipad deals are still separate, which is the kind of brilliance only bud selig could cook up.
Just got the mlb.com confirmation today. Junior just got an iphone which I plan to hijack come April.
Happy Baseball Day.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 18, 2012, 09:42:31 AM
Happy Baseball Day.
Finally! Planning a trip north to Clearwater for a day next week after the full squad has reported.
Thank you God!
Quote from: Don Ho on February 18, 2012, 06:44:10 PM
Thank you God!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__vjcuVchhnA/SpXtf0JpOLI/AAAAAAAABs4/XqIbWMqbT2E/s400/animalhouse02.jpg)
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/430/screenshot20120219at641.png)
Holy shtein. Dude is ripped.
QuoteCLEARWATER, Fla. — On the day spring training begins, Kyle Kendrick has a new contract.
The Phillies have signed the righthander to a two-year, $7.5 million deal. The contract is for 2012 and 2013. It supersedes the previous one-year, $3.585 million deal the two sides reached earlier this offseason to avoid arbitration.
Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Phillies-sign-Kendrick-to-two-year-deal.html#ixzz1mqTZtsXd
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else
Olney with a bit more info on the interest in AJ Burnett; he's saying now the Phils tried to deal Blanton for old buddy Bobby Abreu and then they would have deal him for Burnett.
Thank god that didn't happen.
Once again thank you God.
A few items from Zoleki (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120219&content_id=26755700¬ebook_id=26755704&vkey=notebook_phi&c_id=phi):
There is supposed to be an update on Howard's injury status on Wednesday. Most estimates have him scheduled to return to the lineup in May. Uncle Cholly has said he is a little bit ahead of what was predicted.
Utley's spring workload is being cut, obstensibly to keep him fresher for the season.
Amaro "surprised" Oswalt hasn't been signed.
The phillies twitter posted a link to a bunch of pics and howard is out there tunning around and fielding, seems like a good sign
Oh so he's going to field now? The surgery really must have been something special.
Baseball.
what a joke.
QuoteRemember how the Nationals launched an initiative to keep Phillies fans from taking over their ballpark during Nats-Phillies series? How they won't sell tickets to people not from D.C., Virginia or Maryland?
I think that's kind of pointless and silly because (a) it's not like the secondary ticket market doesn't exist; and (b) money is money and last I checked the Nats weren't filling their park with locals anyway. If they want Phillies fans to be drowned out, win ballgames and sell more season tickets. But whatever, it's their show, and if they want to say no to someone when they go to buy a ticket, it's their choice.
But it's another thing altogether, it seems to me, to renege on tickets they already agreed to sell to Philly people before the policy was put in place. And that appears to be what they have done.
Seems that in December a Philly company called Integrated Project Services, Inc. contacted the Nationals for a group outing, put in order and paid a deposit which guaranteed the tickets. They were supposed to get final confirmation of where their seats were and stuff in January. Then:
QuoteIt was almost the end of January, and neither Kate or Chuck had heard a thing from the Nationals about their tickets. "we had tried to contact the Nationals because we thought by the end of January we were suppoesd to know," McCorriston said. "So we called and emailed and called and called and emailed and called, this had been going on for two and a half weeks, and they finally just notified us and said 'well sorry, we have to take back our park, you know, you can't have the tickets, there aren't any tickets left, and we'll refund your deposit. That was it."
Just an idiotic business decision to address a problem — too many Phillies fans in the park — that, while slightly embarrassing, is not exactly the sort of thing that a sophisticated business should really care about. And it's the sort of thing that could lead to a lawsuit, so that's great too.
Win some baseball games, Nationals. That's how you take back your ballpark.
Lawsuit.
it would definitely be worth paying thousand of dollars in legal fees to get into a baseball game that you can pay 20 bucks for on the secondary market
or $10 a month from now when the nationals open single game tickets for everyone
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2012, 02:28:22 PM
it would definitely be worth paying thousand of dollars in legal fees to get into a baseball game that you can pay 20 bucks for on the secondary market
It ain't about the money, it's about the principality, smokey.
Per Bleacher Report:
QuoteRaul Ibanez was one of the classiest players to play for the Phillies, right up until the end. Even on his way out the door, he agreed to not accept arbitration, so that the Phillies could get compensation for losing him to another team. Who else has done that for the Phillies?
Quote
this sucks:
QuoteHave you ever noticed that Laynce Nix's best season is worse than Ibanez's worst season.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 29, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2012, 02:28:22 PM
it would definitely be worth paying thousand of dollars in legal fees to get into a baseball game that you can pay 20 bucks for on the secondary market
It ain't about the money, it's about the principality, smokey.
waaaah get over it...id be all for the phillies farging over some red sock or met fans
So you'd be fine with it if the Phillies decided not to sell to people in say, Maryland?
100% fine
but not sure why you would do that to keep met or red sock fans away
I'm fine with the Nats wanting to give local fans an opportunity to buy tix before outsiders. But that group initiated the purchase before the policy was established and the Nats should have completed the sale.
i cant care because if it had happened to mets fans i would be laughing my ass off
i could not care less either...but it's a horrible business decision. not only are you basically calling your own fans out for being Hoydas, you're giving away guaranteed money which they should probably take since it's a publicly funded $611 MILLION DOLLAR stadium.
also, there is no doubt in mind mind that that series is going to reach all-time highs for ridiculous philly fan behavior bc of this.
its gonna be interesting to see how many tickets are left for the phillies games when they go to public sale
thats when youll find out if this campaign worked and how well
gotta love braindead...
Quote
I'm willing to give up free agency. A lot of guys won't. In the game of baseball, free agency is what every major league player dreams of. You want to maximize your value, and of course I do, too. But what's important to me is, I want to be here. I love playing here. My family loves the city. I love the city.
So Vic will take a hometonw discount but wants a 5 year deal.
5-50?
The Phils are on MLB Network at 1:00 for the outta towners.
I was going to go but the weather looked iffy in the late afternoon. The last thing I want is a three hour drive back that turns into six because of dipshteins crashing everywhere on the interstate.
great to see wheeler again
i missed him so much
carts too
Qualls sucks.
Cut him.
never been more proud to be a phils fan...
Quote
Inside the Phillies: Who needs sabermetrics?
Phillies evaluate players the old-fashioned way.
CLEARWATER, Fla. - VORP. BABIP. PERA.
They sound like intergalactic words once uttered by Leonard Nimoy on Star Trek. In truth, they are a trio of acronyms created by the sabermetricians of the baseball world.
VORP means value over replacement player. BABIP stands for batting average on balls in play. PERA is the acronym for peripheral ERA.
The most devout sabermetricians will try to tell you that there is no better way in the world to evaluate players than through their convoluted equations.
WAR - wins above replacement. What is it good for?
The Phillies will not tell you "absolutely nothing," but when it comes to evaluating talent, they are much more inclined to rely on human eyes than sabermetric calculations.
"We do utilize some of the information," general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said during a recent workout at the Carpenter Complex. "There are times when I think maybe we should use it some more, but, frankly, I have a great deal of confidence in the people that we have hired to help us make some of the scouting and personnel decisions. I err on that side probably because I believe in our people."
The man in charge of number-crunching for the Phillies is baseball information analyst Jay McLaughlin, and he is often assisted by baseball operations representative Chris Cashman. All the sabermetric equations are available to Amaro and his assistants, but they are just not that enamored with a player's WAR, PERA, or BABIP.
"I honestly can't tell you the last time WAR or VORP or any of those things were brought up in a conversation," assistant GM Scott Proefrock said. "We're aware of them, and we understand what they are. It's just not something we find relevant."
Proefrock said the Phillies' primary use for sabermetrics is in determining how other teams may view players.
"From our perspective, it is important that we are aware of those things because there are other clubs that value them more than we do and look at them more than we do," Proefrock said. "So that can give us an indication of what they may think of some of our players and what guys they value maybe even more than we do because of the metrics."
OPS - on-base percentage plus slugging percentage - is the sabermetric equation that has been most embraced by the traditional baseball community. In many places, it has become as common as RBI and batting average.
without opening this whole can of worms again, I think it's important to parse out some of the statistics from others. For example, OPS is hardly the same as VORP. OPS is a really effective and instrumental way to look at how a power hitter performs. On base % + slugging is relatively crucial. BABIP has its place too but for different reasons -- if a dude is hitting more line drives, BABIP means little, but if someone has a high batting average but is hitting a lot of ground balls and getting lucky, BABIP shows that there is probably going to be a regression to the mean. But again, BABIP and OPS can be seen and understood by people opposed to sabermetrics and they make perfect common sense. Same thing with WHIP etc. Makes sense that pitcher who gives up less base runners is going to be more effective. VORP and whatever the farg PERA is are different animals.
Pence has started off nicely.
Everytime I get a reminder that Roy F. Halladay is a Phillies, I smile a little.
It's a beautiful day for a game. Definitely should have gone today, Geo...
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2012, 02:00:34 PM
It's a beautiful day for a game. Definitely should have gone today, Geo...
It did turn into a nice day. Was raining like a bitch down south this morning, but is nice and reasonably cool right now. Would have been nice.
Fatty looked pretty good today. 2 innings, 2 H, 1 K. JRoll 2-2/walk, P"0"lanco 2-3, Thome 2-3, Mikey Mart 2 run homer. Brown had diving attempt at a well hit ball by Gardner that lead to a triple and scored on E4.
I love this shtein.
Dontrelle Willis has looked like shtein so far this spring. Today's line: 0.2 3H 2BB 3ER 21.60 ERA
who cares
Quote from: Don Ho on March 07, 2012, 03:09:47 PM
Dontrelle Willis has looked like shtein so far this spring. Today's line: 0.2 3H 2BB 3ER 21.60 ERA
Sad to say, but he's not disappointing in the least. This is what he's been for like 5 years now. It's not like the guy had a bad year or 2 and there was hope he'd bounce back. He's done. Time to send him packing.
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2012, 03:12:13 PM
who cares
Me and J. We need something to bitch about.
Willis supposedly has a sore arm but lets not kid ourselves he's been cooked for years. Still doesn't hurt to bring him in to see if he's got anything left.
They were hoping that he'd have enough left to be a lefty specialist. Apparently not.
It's difficult to believe his career is going to end like this.
Dude was insane early on.
Oh well. It was worth a shot.
Phillies Yankees today. It's raining though. farg.
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2012, 11:49:37 AM
Phillies Yankees today. It's raining though. farg.
sixers knicks are on anyway
Turned out to be totally beautiful out. Pix later!
not as beautiful as the bright lights of madison square garden
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Shane
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Bar in right field.
awful spring training pics blog has 2 new entries
two for two tho in trying to get dood ass pics
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2012, 09:56:49 PM
awful spring training pics blog has 2 new entries
Maybe you could get a couple of shots of Brownsville High's spring jamboree tournament for us.
Worley today: 4 innings 0 hits 8 K's
Go 4 eyes!
Quote from: Rome on March 12, 2012, 02:16:42 AM
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2012, 09:56:49 PM
awful spring training pics blog has 2 new entries
Maybe you could get a couple of shots of Brownsville High's spring jamboree tournament for us.
It's a crutch, but it still works.
QuoteJayson Stark, the venerable ESPN.com scribe and former Inquirer beat writer, has an interesting piece on the web site right now. It's always interesting to get the national perspective on things, and Stark's perspective sounds a lot like the local perspective.
But the thing that really jumped out at me was this passage, where Stark talks to Jimmy Rollins about Ryan Howard's battle with an infection near his surgically-repaired Achilles.
"I don't know what to think, honestly," Rollins tells Stark. "If you ask me, with this infection, I don't know if he's going to play this year, because after all the work that he's done, now he's got to hit the reset button."
Now, as Jayson points out, Rollins is not a doctor. But he is an athlete, as well as a friend of Howard's, and the fact that even he hasn't ruled out Howard missing the season should tell you something.
It should be noted that Howard did a light work-out today. And he sounded optimstic during a chat with reporters, which you can read about here.
"I mean, the leg is naturally going to atrophy if it's in a boot all this time and you're not getting the full use out of it," Rollins continued. "So he's built up strength, but it's not like he was 100 percent [before]. Now he needs to take a step back, and he's probably back down to the 25 to 40 percent range. . ."
"And it's a tough injury," Rollins goes on. "It's not like he's 150 pounds. He's a big man. And that's a very important part of his game, being able to be on his legs. He doesn't use his legs for speed like me. He uses his legs for power. So if he doesn't have any [strength in his] legs, all that power just goes away.
"Oh, he's definitely out for two months. I can pretty much guarantee you that," Rollins says. "And probably nothing before the All-Star break, unless it's like Albert Pujols' fracture [which magically healed itself in two weeks last summer]."
once he had this set back....it was out till the all star break minimum...i dont think anyone would be surprised if it was the year
lol...marty woolever on WIP just murdered moneyball
Details?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
Details?
said that the concept sells movies tickets but doesnt really win that many baseball games
pointed out how the a's were carried by the three stud pitchers...but even if you look at the offense is was all about chavez and tejada...two highly prized young players that the a's acquired not by moneyball but by good old fashioned scouting in tejadas case...he caught the attention of scouts when he was 16....and chavez was a top 10 overall pick in the draft...yet the book wants to spend 200 pages on scott hatterberg
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2012, 02:14:33 PM
once he had this set back....it was out till the all star break minimum...i dont think anyone would be surprised if it was the year
Dead on igy. 99% of us thought All Star break at the least. Torn Achilles, never a good ending. Reality check time, no choke.
The fact that Utley has not played a single inning yet adds to the discomfort about this season. According to Zolecki (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120315&content_id=27307454&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi) yesterday, Utley hasn't even taken infield during batting practice.
I know they're supposed to "take it slow," but even Polanco's played some games coming off a sports hernia surgery. Even Thome and his destroyed back has taken reps at first.
the last time i saw so many broken down thoroughbreds was on the set of luck
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2012, 09:49:54 AM
the last time i saw so many broken down thoroughbreds was on the set of luck
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
you loved it
The producer of Luck said the same thing about the Phillies.
Dontrelle released
Inky:Halladay says his arm isn't hurting (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120316_Phillies_Notes__Halladay_says_his_arm_isn_t_hurting.html)
Toronto Globe and Mail: Halladay rips reports he's hurt. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/roy-halladay-rips-report-hes-hurt/article2370351/)
Yahoo's version (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=sportsxchange-000605685_phillies-halladay-denies-injury-speculation)
Current spring training record: 7.2 IP, 9 ER, .361 average against, 10 Ks
Probably just lazy media speculation, but just seeing the reports makes the stomach a bit queasy.
time is catching up with almost everyone on the team except heidi....doesnt mean halladay is gonna suck this year but its only natural for him to start regressing at his age
every phillies fans ever:
"But hes Doc! Go Utley!"
Doc will get a firmware upgrade and be fine. Even if Doc were totally done it's hard to worry about pitching while the whole infield is applying for disability and Social Security. The pitching staff is great.
The Phils are still my pick for the division but there's no question that the stench of adult diapers and closed windows surrounds this offense. Can't wait for some real games to see how they glue this old warhorse back together for another go.
The good news is most of those guys come off the books within the next 2 years. I love Utley but if he doesn't produce this year, then I wouldn't bring him back next year for anything that isn't an extreme discount. Polanco and Chooch are both off the books in a couple years. Victorino is fine right now IMO, whether nor not he gets resigned will depend on how he does this year I guess (and how close to the luxury tax they are)
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Meh
Polanco jammed his wrist going back into first and came out.
Gelb tweeted that Aumont has looked horrible today. And they moved JC Ramirez to the 'pen and Gillies has already been sent to minor league camp.
Solid return on that deal.
Got a feeling we'll be seeing a lot of Ty Wigginton this season. farging Polanco.
I'm okay with that. the more rest polanco has the better.
Contreras pitched today. Well, not really pitched. More like he tossed batting practice during a live game.
His ERA stands at 108.0 right now.
:yay
Quote from: Rome on March 18, 2012, 04:30:22 PM
Contreras pitched today. Well, not really pitched. More like he tossed batting practice during a live game.
His ERA stands at 108.0 right now.
:yay
Sure that's not his age?
the phillies transcend age....at least thats what south jerz and delaware tell me
once utley and howard get back....
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 18, 2012, 05:23:14 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 18, 2012, 04:30:22 PM
Contreras pitched today. Well, not really pitched. More like he tossed batting practice during a live game.
His ERA stands at 108.0 right now.
:yay
Sure that's not his age?
Ha!
Quote from: MDS on March 18, 2012, 05:57:14 PM
once utley and howard get back....
when is that?....2015
later this season!
itll cure the offense, youll see.
p.s. who was bobby abreu?
im so happy you have come to my side
i gave them the benefit of the doubt until the playoff series last year....and the reaction of the fanbase and the team that all was well and the cardinals were a hot team well get em next year bla bla bla
now ill be lollllling at this lineup: rollins-polanco-pence-mayberry-victorino-nix-wiggigton-ruiz.
good lord. it might be worse with choke and utley in there.
didnt i say all this 18 month's ago?
yea but you do it to be a hater contrarian. i do it because it be true.
not really
i do it because that is how it is
I give Toddy until April 16th when he's back to the "big deal they lost an early game to Pittsbugh...talk to me in October, guys" talk.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 18, 2012, 10:29:19 PM
I give Toddy until April 16th when he's back to the "big deal they lost an early game to Pittsbugh...talk to me in October, guys" talk.
haha....j is so on point
if i freak out over an april loss where 60 year old jim thome is playing 1st you can revoke my fan card
you knew about me
cases in VA....bodies in DC
kick in the door wavin the fo fo
2 beer queer
Chase Utley has left camp to have his knee looked at by a specialist.
World.
farging
Series!
Chase is leaving Clearwater to see a specialist about his knee. The Phillies say his rehab has "plateaued". Wouldn't be surprised if he retires if it's that bad.
I heard Chase Utley left camp to go see a doctor about his knee. Anyone else hear that?
Who's Chase Utley?
Quote from: rjs246 on March 19, 2012, 09:58:12 AM
I heard Chase Utley left camp to go see a doctor about his knee. Anyone else hear that?
link?
Link. (http://www.chaseutleyisliterallyonhiswaytothedoctoraswespeak.blogspot.literally.fart)
Amaro said that Utley has the condition in both knees and that right now Galvis is the opening day 2B
Smugly says "we are going to have to pitch and catch the ball"
Hey clown; how about upgrading the offense in the offseason?! Rather than giving Papelbon fifty farging million bucks how about a bat or two and not Laynce Nix and Juan Pierre? Especially considering that the last two seasons have ended because you haven't hit the farging ball!
Exclamation points on a message board!!
It's the roids talking.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2012, 11:28:17 AM
Smugly says "we are going to have to pitch and catch the ball"
So win most games 1-0. They should be able to that 95+ times. Such a shame we ddn't see this coming.
Scott Elarton who is starting pitcher today hasn't pitched in the big leagues since 2008!
Hunter Pence just smashed Miguel Cabrera's eye/cheek open on national TV...some lovely streams of blood
lol freddy galvis
nationals bandwagon wide open
No chance the infield starts out like this come opening day.
Smug Miracle Whip?
At least this means they don't have to struggle with the decision to resign Utley come post-2013 like they did with Rollins. Take that 15 mil and use it to pay Doc and get a younger bat.
Quote from: MDS on March 19, 2012, 02:11:02 PM
lol freddy galvis
nationals bandwagon wide open
unless they make a deal this is their infield for most of if not all this year
1b - mayberry/wiggy
2b - galvis
ss - jimmy
3b - polanco
wow
they need to make a run at alberto callaspo
Amaro doesn't believe in offense. He'll go sign another pitcher.
Pineiro released
Aumont to AAA
they are basically the mariners with 1 more starter
Mike Martinez broke his foot today.
So glad they traded Wilson Valdez.
Quote from: MDS on March 20, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
they are basically Reading with 3 more starters
they are going to have to play super small ball, which is gonna be loltastic with old farts like polanco, thome and wiggigton clogging up the basepaths. throw in a depleted chooch, an aging jimmy, an incompetent galvis and you have one putrid lineup.
but wait till utley and howard get back!
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Get used to seeing this...
Sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff. Smell it? World farging Champions!
"We're keeping our eyes open on middle infield depth and we might be able to do it internally, but it behooves us to know what's going on out there as far as guys who may be able to help us."
-Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. on filling Chase Utley's void in the infield.
Somewhere in East Texas, Jay's head just rage exploded.
Ryan Madson needs tommy john and is out for the year
That's what happens when you hire Boras as your agent. He had his chance to be the closer here but Boras wanted to pinch every single penny he could. farg him and his funhole wife.
Remember that time everyone pissed on the Papelbon signing and cried that the Phillies should have signed Madson instead?
That was awesome.
Herr Smugweiler strikes again.
Meh I like Madson and hope he does well.
His wife can DIAF, but no ill will ever from me towards him.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 24, 2012, 06:43:27 PM
Meh I like Madson and hope he does well.
His wife can DIAF, but no ill will ever from me towards him.
Same here. Sucks that he needs the surgery but at the same time, I'm glad he's not with the Phils right now because the last thing this team needs right now is another injured player.
closer is irrelevant on this team
madson was 32 for 34 last year....paplebon will be a little better or a little worse....
whoever was the closer this year wasnt going to make a lick of difference in where this team finishes...their offense will be horrific and they will miss the playoffs or their offense will be just good enough to make and lose in the playoffs again....this does not change regardess of who the closer is....which is why among other reasons paplebons contract was ludacris
There's no way to defend Papleboner's contract (We've agreed on that since day 1). But at the same time, if Madson were re-signed and heading into the season as the closer, that would just be another hole the Phils have to try and close.
hindsight is 20/20...unless you can show me someone who said a few months ago that madsons elbow was gonna explode
and even then thats taking the shortsighted view that the phillies had two choices...giving paplebon a billion dollars or signing madson
the fact is there were a plethora of closers on the market this year and all of them except paplebon signed for at or below market price and years
its easy to say paplebon was a good signing because madson is hurt...just like it will be easy to say the paplebon signing was terrible in october when he got the phillies nowhere and some of these other closers who signed for much less had just as good a year and are on the golf course with him
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2012, 12:43:43 AM
its easy to say paplebon was a good signing because madson is hurt
Except that I didn't say that. Your argument is (sort of) with Rome.
im talking in generalizations and not directy to you or rome....romey is obviously being romey but there are many people out there that truly see madsons injury as a justification of paplebons deal...but really is it suprising to know that there are tons of dumb people around
Clown.
paplebon fan feelings hurt
Bzzzzzzt. Has very little to do with Papelbon. Much more to do with you being the rodeo clown of CF. Dance for us, puppet. DANCE!
Utley is going to a rehab specialist, no doctor. Said he will be back sooner than later this season. He said he will play a 'bulk' of the season. He said over the winter he felt no pain or anything over the winter. First few weeks of spring training his knees started hurting so he backed off.
[my opinion]The guy doesn't need camp anymore, all that's going to do is break his body down further. He's going to sit out the first few months, come back some time before the All Star break and play out the rest of the season.
im guessing there really isnt anything a doctor can do for a degenerative condition....it kind of is what it is...you have good days but you are gonna have a lot more bad days until it get to the point where you can have any more days period (in pro baseball)...so you go to someone to manage the condition rather than someone to fix it
Fans should get used to this every offseason until his contract is up [2013]. Last year Charlie said they'd play him sparingly once he returned but he played pretty regularly. He's never going to be 25 HR .300 BA 40 2Bs Chase again but he's still light years better than Freddy Galvis.
if utley died tomorrow freddy galvis wouldnt be the second baseman....freddy is a bridge to utley coming back...if and when they realize utley is done they wil make a deal for 2b
Quote from: Rome on March 24, 2012, 06:31:45 AM
"We're keeping our eyes open on middle infield depth and we might be able to do it internally, but it behooves us to know what's going on out there as far as guys who may be able to help us."
-Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. on filling Chase Utley's void in the infield.
Somewhere in East Texas, Jay's head just rage exploded.
Indeed.
This is the second goddamn off-season in a row where the Phillies didn't force Utley to have his knee(s) fixed surgically. I don't give a farg if he doesn't want to or not (I don't know if he has rejected the idea of surgery or not); when you're getting paid $85M to do a job then you do whatever it takes to get it done. And if you need surgery on your knees to get better then you farging do it.
I saw a blurb the other day where the Phils had him talk to Brandon Inge of the Tigers because he had the same procedure done that Mister Grit needs.
And then, as if that wasn't enough, we have Ruben farging Amaro not filling the void two years in a row. Don't give us the song and dance of looking for middle infield depth two weeks before the season starts. Look for it during free agency when, you know, guys who are pretty good are available.
Maybe Sir Smugly hates offense because he couldn't hit a lick himself?
surgery cant help chrondomalicia or whatever its called....its a degenerative condition
Still doesn't excuse Mr Amaro for ignoring the offense and the fact that his 2B and one of the main supposed sources of offense is dealing with this.
agree with that...
im riding shotgun on your smugwagon
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
surgery cant help chrondomalicia or whatever its called....its a degenerative condition
yup...it's loss of cartilidge/cartilidge damage with tendinitis. Nasty combo.
Just what a MLB Second Baseman needs, two knees made of legos.
if they were smart when and if he does come back they will put him at first base if choke isnt healed
then where will thome pla-ok i couldnt even get through that with a straight face
FWIW
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bfGjL?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=philadelphia-phillies (http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bfGjL?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=philadelphia-phillies)
QuoteRamiro Pena, a 26-year-old all-glove, no-bat switch hitter specializing in shortstop, third and second.
He'll fit right in.
When is the movie going to be made about Amaro's philosophies?
"Amaroball; Who Needs Offense?"
Who will play His Smugness?
Elena DelleDonne is throwing out the first pitch at the home opener
And they're pushing Cole's start to home opener as well...hopefully to coincide with the announcement that they've signed him to a long term deal
so the team that is desperate for offense sends down it's offensive prospect who goes 5-8 and 2 HR in two games.
but hey, John Mayberry and Laynce Nix are super
they need him tearing up the minors all year so they can deal him at the deadline
yeah, that's the stupidest farging thing i've heard. macnow and gargano have been on that hardcore and it's farging moronic.
you have an aging team with limited offesne, so trade your 23 year old offensive prospect
Quote from: SunMo on March 27, 2012, 09:08:57 AM
you have an aging team with limited offesne, so trade your 23 year old offensive prospect
for a middle reliever
if he was good enough to play in the majors hed be on the team...but he clearly isnt and they dont have time to live thru his growing pains...they need to win stat...
everyone also has doubts as to how good of a major league player he can ever be so if they can deal him while he still has decent value in order to win a world series this year they will do it
he is good enough to play in the majors. in fact he was better than ibanez last year and they should have sat him down when they traded for pence instead of sending dom down. he takes pitches, gets on base and can run. but yeah, lance nix
well then the phillies are either horrendous judgers of talent or theres some sort of conspiracy...because if he could make their offense better this year and gives them a better chance to win a world series and they arent playing him then just blow up the franchise
imo they either:
1. have seen enough of him to know that he stinks right now and even in the long term has big questions...so they wanna showcase him in the minors to get the best possible return for him
2. they know he cant play right now and even though they feel he might be a good player down the road that they need a piece this year to help them since grit and choke are most likely going to be worthless this season
He's a terrible fielder and the coaches weren't happy with his progress or work he put into becoming a better fielder so they sent him down. They either A) keep him up at the majors in a limited role as a bench player since his fielding is so horrendus or B) send him down and let him develop.
I'm fine with option B, he's not a better option at this point and clearly needs work with his fielding and in some cases with his hitting.
thing is he has trouble catching pop ups...he literally cant judge fly balls...its not like hes really slow or has a terrible arm where its a physical defect or he has a learning curve where hes making a position switch to the outfield....hes also not 17
hes a 23 year old lifetime outfielder who cant catch fly balls...its to late to learn that
theres also concerns with his swing and whether at his height and length he can ever formulate a swing that wont get exposed at the major league level
i have no idea what his value is around the majors at this point but if he can bring back a legit bat like pence last year and they can afford that then you definitely do it
if his value has deteriorated to the point where hes gonna bring back a more middle fo the road bat that provides just a little improvement over what they have then you hold onto him and pray
Seriously, they just played 3 seasons with Raul Ibanez in left field. They obviously don't care about LF defense that much.
Let the farging kid go up against major league pitching and sink or swim. LOL at him not being a better option than Lance Nix
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They should break out them butta joints, hats and all, at some point this season.
Also, this sounds good..
QuoteThe Phillies have made good progress in negotiations with Hamels and a signing could happen in the not-too-distant future, CSNPhilly.com reports.
A person with knowledge of the situation says the Phillies know Hamels, who is a free agent after this year, will cost $20 million or more per season and are prepared to pay it. The length of the deal remains the sticking point as the Phillies prefer a four-year deal while Hamels wants more.
Hamels is 27 and very little injury history (broken arm in HS I believe is the only "major" one). If he wants five, give him five.
Considering the fairly dramatic change with Dodgers ownership today, if the Phils want to keep him around long term, they better farging lock him up pronto. Because the Dodgers just got some pretty deep farging pockets and they're going to look to make a huge splash next year in free agency. If they don't sign him soon, you can bet your ass that he'll be Dodger in 2013.
My guess is the years are just being used in an attempt to get his AAV down. we'll give you 21.5 per for 4 years, but hey if you're okay with only 20 per we'll give you 5 or 6.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 28, 2012, 09:06:31 PM
Hamels is 27 and very little injury history (broken arm in HS I believe is the only "major" one). If he wants five, give him five.
his back is a ticking time bomb...and the phillies know the health of it better than anyone...this is probably the reason why they havent resigned him as of yet...they have the money
Since when has this Phillies front office been overly concerned with paying the (barely) walking dead? Give Hamels 12 years for all I care - it will be money better spent than anything they're currently paying for Polanco, Howard, or Utley.
i have to laugh at everyone worried about the Dodgers all of the sudden. Cole has already said he doesn't want to play on the West Coast because the fans suck there.
be worried about Boston, New York, Texas
i'm not worried at all because he wants to be here and the phillies want him here. it will get done before the ASB
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 29, 2012, 08:49:47 AM
Since when has this Phillies front office been overly concerned with paying the (barely) walking dead? Give Hamels 12 years for all I care - it will be money better spent than anything they're currently paying for Polanco, Howard, or Utley.
choke and grit deals were handed out before the players got hurt....my guess is that they are willing to gamble on heidis back for three years but not more...doesnt mean that wont change in the end...but i guarantee so far what the phillies have been trying to do is offer 3-75 and tell cole that he will then still only be at the age that phifer got 120 mil...
so the player gets two monster deals and the phils protect themselves short term while knowing that theyd still have as good or better shot than anyone of signing him in 2016 if they think its a good idea....
makes sense to me
Why are so worried about Hamels' back? His delivery?
Quote from: SunMo on March 29, 2012, 08:52:05 AM
be worried about Boston, New York, Texas
Absolutely. This has Yankees and BoSox written all over it.
if you were going to be worried about somebody, yes.
but don't be worried, he's gonna be back.
in fact, i think the deal is done and they are waiting for the season to start so they don't pay luxury tax
Phillies are going to keep Pierre on the team and send Podsednik down
bad decision imo
pierre is useless
Quote from: SunMo on March 29, 2012, 04:30:07 PM
Phillies are going to keep Pierre on the team and send Podsednik down
bad decision imo
I agree. My best guess is that they can keep Podsednik in the minors until the end of May but would have to cut Pierre loose tomorrow. It gives them more time for evaluation on both players.
Seems to be Pierre's cooked, though.
Phils traded Rizzotti to the Twins for cash considerations.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Rizzotti_traded_to_Twins.html
Papelbon just got roughed up.
Mock?
Quote from: Rome on March 30, 2012, 08:41:50 PM
Papelbon just got roughed up.
Mock?
thousand billion dollars FTW!
1. Juan Pierre 7
2. Placido Polanco 5
3. Jimmy Rollins 6
4. Jim Thome 3
5. Hunter Pence 9
6. Shane Victorino 8
7. Carlos Ruiz 2
8. Freddy Galvis 4
9. Cliff Lee 1
Get used to this. Also, it's not 2004.
Just don't see Thome being able to play first anywhere close to full time, even for a month or two. More than likely MAAAyberry at first at least half the time.
Also, I'd think we'd see MAAAyberry in left more often than Pierre if he's not playing first.
Utley, Howard, Martinez, Contreras and DeFratus start the season on the DL, and Chase went back to Arizona to continue his rehab