Phillies Offseason Thread

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Boras unless Papelolbon underperforms big time.

[SD]

i dont know who got embarrassed more with that deal...boras or smug

Easily Boras. I don't know why the initial deal with the Phillies fell apart but it did and now Madson is playing on a 1 year deal below his market value. Why does smug care or look bad (and that's a rhetorical question you don't have to answer considering we've been over this countless times)? You can say he overpaid for Papelbon which is probably true, but at the end of the day he got the best closer on the market while Madson sat until mid-January 2012 and had to settle on a zesty one year deal. Nobody wanted him. Do you think Papelbon would have sat that long?

[ice grillin you]

except the deal is only one year and if madson performs hes probably the top closer on the open market next year as its a weak crop

and i dont care who sits for how long...or who wanted or didnt want him...this isnt an ego game its a put the best roster possible on the field game and the phillies are worse off with paplebon and no offense than madson and what could have been a couple offensive upgrades...paplebon doesnt improve the phillies one iota from last year...closer was not an issue in the least...so what do they do?...they massively overpay for a closer while doing nothing to their offense

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

So correct answer is this...

Embarrassed more publicly: Boras
Embarrassed more in the mind of IGY: Smug

That was easy.

[ice grillin you]

So correct answer is this...

Embarrassed more publicly: Boras
Embarrassed more in the mind of IGY: Smug

That was easy.

thats correct...especially since the average baseball fan doesnt know a thing about the phillies roster and hates boras....in approx 10 months tho it will be smug on all fronts when his team comes up short once again and all he will have to show for it is the highest paid closer of all time for another three years

[MDS]

so they reason they wont win the world series is because of the 5 million extra they spent on papleboner that could have gone to madson.

ok.

[ice grillin you]

it will be because they didnt improve their offense and instead lost their minds over a closer

[SunMo]

at least they were first!

for this farging guy

[MDS]

in those unnecessary 5 mil they spent on papelboner instead of madson (which i agree was idiotic), who could they have gotten. what player dont they have that they could have if they didnt waste 5 mil on a minuscule upgrade at a useless position?

the answer is nobody. it doesnt matter. if rube wanted someone he would have tried to get him. they are playing with monopoly money. stop. it.

[ice grillin you]

if the phillies show me they are willing to blast thru the luxury threshold then i take everything back (well not really because the paplebon contract was nutty for any team)...but until then they are a team right on the cusp of it who cant go over and thus literally every million they spend is meaningful

you are looking at all wrong...its not just doing math this year but also the fact that paplebon got 10+ mil for FOUR years

you wanna allocate 50 mil to the closer position or you wanna allocate that money to offense and resinging heidi

who knows what they could have done this year (via trade or FA) or going forward if they had an extra 40+ million to play with which is what theyd have right now without paplebon...40 million bucks is a lot of god damn money

[Sgt PSN]

you are looking at all wrong...its not just doing math this year but also the fact that paplebon got 10+ mil for FOUR years

you wanna allocate 50 mil to the closer position or you wanna allocate that money to offense and resinging heidi

who knows what they could have done this year (via trade or FA) or going forward if they had an extra 40+ million to play with which is what theyd have right now without paplebon...40 million bucks is a lot of god damn money

I've agreed with havas on this from day 1, but damn if this isn't the most compelling argument you've made on this so far (at least that I've seen).  It's not really about what they can afford to do this year but how much it's going to handcuff them in 2013 and beyond.  And when you consider that Howard's awful contract just got a lot worse thanks to his torn Achilles, there is a lot of money tied up over the next few years that isn't going anywhere. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Replacing Lidge/Madson with Papelbon is a red herring. Whether you think or don't think that Amaro addressed the rest of the team adequately, a closer had to be signed and one was signed. Bada bing, bada farg you.

[ice grillin you]

Replacing Lidge/Madson with Papelbon is a red herring. Whether you think or don't think that Amaro addressed the rest of the team adequately, a closer had to be signed and one was signed. Bada bing, bada farg you.

i dont think anyone has ever advocated that they go into this year without a closer

[Munson]

http://www.reclinergm.com/updated-phillies-payroll-analysis-and-org-depth-chart/

According to this, their payroll obligations for next year are only 127 million.  That leaves them 49 million to resign Hamels (20-25 mil range) and Victorino (what, like 17 mil AT MOST? And that's on the high end).

After that, the luxury tax goes up to 189 mil...so really the only year that's gonna be tough for them cash wise is next year, where they'll only have 7-12 million to fill out their roster after all the main guys are signed.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Replacing Lidge/Madson with Papelbon is a red herring. Whether you think or don't think that Amaro addressed the rest of the team adequately, a closer had to be signed and one was signed. Bada bing, bada farg you.

i dont think anyone has ever advocated that they go into this year without a closer

No, but you said...

closer was not an issue in the least...so what do they do?...they massively overpay for a closer while doing nothing to their offense

Which is wrong. They had to address closer. Also had to address shortstop.