Phillies Offseason Thread

[Rome]

Stop fishing already.  No one is biting anymore.

[ice grillin you]

of course homers wont believe....faith is a powerful thing....as much as it hurts to do...im just trying to introduce logic and reality into the equation

the fact that so many people think this year was a fluke and had they just beat the cardinals they would have won the world series speaks volumes

[charlie]

eventually you will be right about their downfall.

[ice grillin you]

its not a matter of eventually it started last year against the giants...an argument could have been made then that it should have run its natural course....but amaro tried to go the other way and fight it by signing cliff lee....cant fault him for that and if they had pulled it off this year it would have been worth it...but with every year that passes since last year its going to get worse...the question again is how much

last year they were exposed in the nlcs this year in the nlds...in 2012 do they:

win the division again but with less wins and a closer race and lose in the nlds

get in via the wildcard

miss the playoffs altogether

the answer will tell you how fast this fall is happening

[Rome]

Your insistence on forecasting doom whenever talk turns to the future of the team is outright clownish.

The 2011 World Series hasn't even started and you're ready to put a shovel to the 2012 Phillies.  It's tiresome and ridiculous and pretty much everyone here is sick of it, Havas.

[ice grillin you]

umad?

i am too but that doesnt mean you cant realistically look at the future

[SD]

of course homers wont believe....faith is a powerful thing....as much as it hurts to do...im just trying to introduce logic and reality into the equation

the fact that so many people think this year was a fluke and had they just beat the cardinals they would have won the world series speaks volumes

you're like the Foxnews of Phillies fans only much worse

[Sgt PSN]

Lol

[BigEd76]

no one cares anymore they got their series

I'm not gonna take the bait on that whole post, but just wanted to point out that if Rollins, Madson and Lidge leave, the only players remaining from that '08 team will be Howard, Utley, Ruiz, Victorino, Hamels, Blanton and Kendrick, so you can't use the "oh they're not hungry anymore" excuse...

[Munson]

Why is chooch "completely done"? He put up his usual numbers, just didn't have a good October like he did the few seasons before.


Nevermind...continue the fishing

[ice grillin you]

no one cares anymore they got their series

I'm not gonna take the bait on that whole post, but just wanted to point out that if Rollins, Madson and Lidge leave, the only players remaining from that '08 team will be Howard, Utley, Ruiz, Victorino, Hamels, Blanton and Kendrick, so you can't use the "oh they're not hungry anymore" excuse...

considering you just named half their lineup which is by far the issue with this team and didnt mention the manager does not make me feel better

[MDS]

if they go

c ruiz, 1b choke, 2b grit, ss renteria, 3b polanco, lf aaaberry, cf vic, rf pence....then its over

that lineup is god awful

[ice grillin you]

yup....one thing i will say is that i leave open the (very small) possibility of them making some power moves and revamping the lineup...and if they do that then i reserve the right to reevaluate...but the way it appears headed is not good for a world series title

[MDS]

problem is utley and howard cannot be traded. no one is taking on a penny of their terrible deals.

what they need to do is trade victorino and go younger and faster in both lf and cf.
then eat polancos salary and get someone below 30 in here to play 3b
then resign jimmy because hes god
also charlie needs to get his old wrinkled cock out of utleys and howards asses and move them down in the order cause it aint be 2007 no more

[Sgt PSN]

I'm hopeful that Rube will make improvements in the off season.  He's done it every year and at every trade deadline since he took over, so I can't imagine him sitting still or just bringing role players or 1 yr rentals. 

Howard is my biggest concern for next year.  Torn left achilles not only keeps him out nearly half of the year, but who says that he's going to be able to hit for power when he does get back?  That left ankle is the foundation for his power.  It all pretty much starts right there and is supporting his entire body on every swing.  So even if he's healthy enough to play, that doesn't mean he's going to have all the strength back below the waist.  Could be looking at a lot of deep fly balls next year.  Dude better learn how to hit for average.