It's becoming painfully obvious that the achilles heel of the team is going to be the defense. I know they don't have Cole out there right now, but it doesn't even matter. Because when he is out there there is no legit pass rushing threat to line up opposite him. So he will get doubled and chipped all year and we'll be stuck watching Juqua Thomas Parker try to get after the QB.
How sad is it that a guy they signed the eve of camp, who was a washout with three other teams, is now the second best DE on the squad?
And its also obvious that opposing TEs are going to eat them alive. Chris Baker last week and all Colts TEs this week have had good games. Can any one of you motherfargers cover the TE...please? Or better yet, how about McDermott fixes the hole in JJ's scheme that was known to leave TEs open all day long (after the loss of Emmons).
Underwhelming and potentially dangerous (and not the good dangerous), this defense.
Love this defense.
once again, the front 4 will not be able to put any pressure on the quarter back, which means the linebackers will have to blitz and we'll see open tight ends and running backs all year
and it will still be good enough to be a top 5 defense in the NFL like it was last year.
Quote from: SunMo on August 20, 2009, 11:15:44 PM
once again, the front 4 will not be able to put any pressure on the quarter back, which means the linebackers will have to blitz and we'll see open tight ends and running backs all year
And they won't be fast enough to get to the QB, a half step late.
Worst LBs in the NFL?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 20, 2009, 11:18:08 PM
Quote from: King Cole on August 20, 2009, 11:14:31 PM
Love this defense.
What's to love?
Two premiere defensive tackles, a stud pass rusher in Cole, the best secondary in the NFL. Mediocre linebackers, but good enough to win football games. This defense isn't all that different from last year and
wehad one of the best defenses in the NFL last year. So what changes all of a sudden?
I think we're overreacting a tad.
We're definitely taking a step back without Bradley, but other than that we didn't lose anything from last year to this year and there's no reason to think our top guys are going to fall off a cliff.
And yes I know we lost Dawkins, but he was not a good safety and I doubt the drop off to Demps/Jones will be that much.
Still a top 10 defense at least.
expectations are (and should be) lower for the d this year. losing a guy like dawk was bad enough and then to have jj kick the bucket certainly didn't help any.
new coordinator, several key injuries, loss of icon, etc, etc means that reid better learn how to run a clock eating offense otherwise this defense is going to be completely worn out by week 8.
I think out of all the defensive losses, Dawk is the smallest. He had such a terrible NFCCG and looked so slow on some plays. He had a resurgence in the final 6 games or so, but was so average in the first half of the season.
Dawkins is not a good player anymore.
He's just not.
For the record...
I do love Bunkley and Patterson in the middle. I love Samuel and Grumpy on the corners. I dig Mikell and Cole too.
But as a whole, as a complete unit...they cannot get after the QB without the blitz. And the LBs suck.
Joe Mays can hit, but he guesses too much and can't cover.
The defense looked bad. I won't deny it. But answer these questions:
1. When doesn't Peyton Manning eat up this defense?
2. The defense was top 5 in the NFL last season. Do you really think it will be that much of a dropoff with no Dawk, JJ, and Bradley? You must, because you think the defense sucks.
3. Trent Cole not playing can't be understated. He's easily the best pass rusher. This isn't a question obviously, but added it anyway.
I do.
Hopefully they prove me wrong and we can bump this thread later in the year.
I just can't see anything to make me think this is a special defense or a Super Bowl defense.
LBs were serviceable last yr and mostly because of Bradley. Hes gone. They did not add any proven pass rushers.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 20, 2009, 11:37:21 PM
I do.
Hopefully they prove me wrong and we can bump this thread later in the year.
I just can't see anything to make me think this is a special defense or a Super Bowl defense.
What has changed so drastically from last season do you think?
losing dawkins, bradley and JJ is going to change things around a bit but not much. they hardly ever could get to the qb without blitzing.. thats not going to change.. dawkins and bradley weren't your sack artists and dawk was a shell of his former self anyway. they dont have their starting mlb.. that hurts and they'll have a learning curve with the new coordinator.. but nothing super crazy has changed. i dont think they'll be top 5 again but i think their good enough to win. farg pre-season.
the defense is "becoming" a problem and the linebackers suck?
we all just figured this out?...all you had to do was look at the roster...the lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball punches you in the face
its been covered up last couple years by the brilliance of two HOF'ers in jim johnson and dawk but with those two things gone now its going to get exposed big time this season
ill bet anyone who wants that its not a top ten defense in total yards or points...two seperate bets $10 each
lolpreseason
It is a little early to start predicting the D will suck ass this year, but there are some concerns. The loss of JJ and Dawkins. The 2 main forces of the D. Call him washed up if you will, but he still brought it last year and made some damn good plays. Non of which I have ever seen from Demps. I'm concerned about that spot and think our secondary def. isn't as good, but time will tell, I'll give him a chance. The new D coach, hope he sticks to the system, but willing to adjust if needed. Our linebacking crew well, pretty much has always sucked. One bright spot is out for the year in Bradley. The Dline should be good, if not better than last year if they continue the sub in and out players, keep everyone fresh. Its still early, they have time, but I'm not quite sure who the leader of the D is...
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 09:23:11 AM
lolpreseason
ive been saying this for months....and as i said last night it has nothing to do with preseason...i think most intelligent football fans are smart enough not to judge anything on preseason
as phreak and sun said worst linebackers in the nfl
no pass rush
no leadership
no talent
the great jim johnsons smoke and mirrors carried the players the last couple years to heights much higher than they should have attained....but they come back to earth this year...ill be extremely pleased if its a top half of the league defense
on the flip side i think the offense will be special if the line works itself out...like i said a few weeks ago...lots of 30-28 games this year
oh good god stop it.
you're always predicting doom in every thread and when things turn for the worst you're the first one to say "see i told you so".
you do it in the phillies and flyers threads too, and while i find it comical as hell, that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 09:34:47 AM
you're always predicting doom in every thread and when things turn for the worst you're the first one to say "see i told you so".
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2009, 09:31:37 AM
on the flip side i think the offense will be special if the line works itself out...like i said a few weeks ago...lots of 30-28 games this year
hmmm...good job with that
could it be that you dont like people saying bad things about your team and you only see the negative things people say?
yes. that's it exactly. i get upset when random people on the internet say mean things about the eagles.
way too early to judge IGY come on. if your right we'll send you a farging cookie. happy?
make sure you grind up some xanax and drop it in the batter before you bake it.
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 09:43:58 AM
yes. that's it exactly. i get upset when random people on the internet say mean things about the eagles.
i dont if you get upset but you somehow focus in only on the negative and dont speak on the positive things i say
also its not like i said the defense would be the worst in the league...i think its definitely bottom half but could suprise and be top half...it just aint top ten material....thats hardly doom and gloom
i say they're going to be better than munson's ability to run the 40 and play poker.
nothing is better than the way munson plays poker...he taught doyle brunson everything he knows
IGY just likes to cover his ass. He does this by talking out of both sides of his mouth. "The team is doomed BUT if things work out they'll be successful." "They don't have enough talent BUT they could still win it all." It's an endless theme. It's sort of brilliant because he can always claim to be right, which is all anyone on the internet really wants.
they could be excellent, good, average, fair or poor depending on who they're playing, what type of lead the offense gives them, what the weather is like during the game, and what they ate during the pre-game meal.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2009, 09:57:33 AM
"The team is doomed BUT if things work out they'll be successful." "They don't have enough talent BUT they could still win it all."
link any post anywhere ever where i said either of these things
ive said a team is doomed as in the phillies last year and been wrong...but i never waffle...
the irony is that youre playing both sides....one second youll say i am hyperbolic to a fault saying everything is definite...now youre saying i play both sides of the fence...which is it cause im confused?
It's both. See, now I'm right no matter what.
Stop saying the loss of Dawkins will hurt. Other than one game where everyone looked like an all pro, he did nothing impressive all season. Yes it sucks that he went to another team, but lets stop pretending that he's still great.
Oh, but he's a leader! Well maybe its time for one of these other highly paid professionals to put on their big boy pants and say doggone a couple hundred times a game.
If I were a millionaire athlete I wouldn't wear pants of any sort. Fact.
Just the smoking jacket and fez?
its not that dawkins is some great player or the best leader ever (even tho he was pretty damn good and i would have kept him for only this reason)...but hes still a better player than the guy who replaced him so thats a downgrade
and combined with the loss of jim johnson they will miss leadership greatly on that side of the ball
a kid defensive coordinator leading babys like quinton demps and joe mays plus a bunch of veterans from other teams isnt an overall sunny feeling
i just dont see who keeps the order on the defense when people arent doing as they should or taking their jobs seriously enough
but more importantly than that is that they dont have very much talent...were they overstocked with playmakers that would greatly minimize the loss of jj and dawk in terms of both X & O's and leadership but they dont
So you think the guy that reads comic books to excess is going to keep the younger guys in check when they're not being serious enough?
if the eagles lost dawkins five years ago it would have hurt. losing him now means nothing because he's done. he was a liability last year and even though i think demps isn't much of a replacement, he's no worse than dawkins would have been.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 10:44:40 AM
So you think the guy that reads comic books to excess is going to keep the younger guys in check when they're not being serious enough?
i dont know check with the dozens of players who worship him like a god and traced his footprints in the sand the entire time they played with him
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 10:47:29 AM
if the eagles lost dawkins five years ago it would have hurt. losing him now means nothing because he's done. he was a liability last year and even though i think demps isn't much of a replacement, he's no worse than dawkins would have been.
dawk had lost multiple steps and couldnt do certain things anymore but jesus the guy was still NFL defensive player of the month in december
ill admit he might be done in denver because that often happens when youre old and switch teams...he clearly doesnt have his heart in it out there has to learn a new system...live in a different part of the country...and all that usually leads to disaster...
but theres no doubt in my mind that had he stayed he would be a better player than quinton demps...i know its natural for fans of all teams to revisit reality when they lose a player they like but a lot pf people are going way overboard with dawk...and to be fair this is happening on both sides...theres some people that think the day he left the defense was automatically dead
because of it
do i think the defense is going to be a weakness just because dawk left...not a chance i would be that naive...but do i think it will be a real factor in it?...yes
he was rather atrocious in pass coverage last year. johnson did a fantastic job of covering up his weakness in that aspect, and yeah, he was pretty good as a pseudo-linebacker, but overall i think he's cooked now.
to me the leadership angle is overplayed. they're going to go through some growing pains with demps but i don't think he's going to make or break the team one way or the other. i think he's going to be an adequate replacement for the player that dawkins is now.
I do have serious concerns about this teams defense, but as was said before it is only the preseason. I believe it was two years ago this teams defense looked awesome in the preseason and totally shtein the bed during the regular season.
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2009, 11:04:29 AM
to me the leadership angle is overplayed. they're going to go through some growing pains with demps but i don't think he's going to make or break the team one way or the other. i think he's going to be an adequate replacement for the player that dawkins is now.
if it was any other sport id agree on leadership...but i dont think you can over esitmate it in football...i even think it can be the downfall of an entire team...see dallas recently
but not with the eagles this year...their biggest problem is easily the talent on defense...but i dont think you can ignore the leadership issue either...would be far less of a concern if they hadnt lost three big pieces all at once...the eagles defense was sumatra and these losses a leadership tsunami
JJ who was the overall leader....dawk who arguably was the franchises all time best leader and bradley who by all accounts had become or was fast becmong the leader of the defense not to mention the on the field leader in that he called all the blitz gaps and formations for them...i just dont know how than cant be a very real concern this year
So, what value does a leader have for a bunch of shlubs who aren't very good, particularly one that's equally mediocre?
Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
So, what value does a leader have for a bunch of shlubs who aren't very good, particularly one that's equally mediocre?
This is a point well taken. If the tallent and chemistry (meaning knowing where to be at all times) is not there you've got no chance no matter how strong your leadership is.
So far the defense looks pretty leaky, but we have to remember that these games are being played with missing starters, a new coordinator and no scheme. This defense has always depended on the scheme every bit as much as tallent simlply because of the way it is constructed.
There is a lot of tallent onthis defense Linebackers notwithstanding but it will probably be into the second quarter of the season before it realizes its full potential.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
So, what value does a leader have for a bunch of shlubs who aren't very good, particularly one that's equally mediocre?
its hard to put a value on it...it could be the difference btwn having the 25th and 15th ranked defense...and maybe thats worth a win or two....and maybe an extra win is the difference btwn making or missing the playoffs...just sayin
maybe the defense straight implodes without those guys?
i mean no one can sit here and defnitively say how much if at all its going to matter...i just think it will to some extent
banana
I don't care how loved a guy is or how big a cheerleader he is in the locker room. If you can't frigging produce on the field you're all but worthless to the team.
And players want two things... (1) Money and (2) to win. And definitely in that order. That's why Dawkins is wearing orange and blue right now.
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
banana
ahahahah...nice edit moron...what did you have to look up stats to see how stupid youre
OG post...
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
the fact that you think the difference btwn the 15th ranked defense and the 25th ranked defense is one win
lolololol
epic self ownage
thing is i wasnt even literally saying that anyway
I would argue that using the phrase 'epic self ownage' itself qualifies as epic self ownage.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2009, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
banana
ahahahah...nice edit moron...what did you have to look up stats to see how stupid youre
OG post...
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
the fact that you think the difference btwn the 15th ranked defense and the 25th ranked defense is one win
lolololol
epic self ownage
thing is i wasnt even literally saying that anyway
Actually i stand by that the difference would almost definitely be more than one win, but then I realized you use the retard stats to rank defenses which makes it redundant.
You also qualified your post with the last sentence anyway so it would just be another igy piss fest with no facts.
more than one win?...its possible you could have more losses...theres no rhyme or reason to it...cleveland last year year was like 15th in pts allowed and had four wins...oakland and arizona were 25 or below i believe and had more wins
my point in even saying it was to illustrate that maybe not having the proper leadership costs them a win which would cost them the playoffs
hell it cost dallas the playoffs just last year
stop being douchey mr literal guy and think for once
Leadership has been overblown for years here. People thought losing Troy Vincent and Taylor would hurt the leadership. People thought losing Trotter and Hugh Douglas would hurt the leadership. It never did.
Plus with all that amazing leadership, this team still hasn't won a Superbowl.
lol @ bobby taylor being known for his leadership
also remind me what year that was again when they lost trotter dawk and jim johnson all at the same time?
I agree...leadership is a bullshtein talking point. Leaders are eminently replaceable.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2009, 04:26:50 PM
lol @ bobby taylor being known for his leadership
Yeah really...I loved Bobby T, except for his pathetic attempts at tackling, but he was about as quiet as a church mouse. Until he got salty about his contract.
Edit..found this cool ass pic
http://www.astropix.com/SPORTSPIX/FOOTBALL/TAYLOR.JPG
within the NFC East the Eagles secondary should be able to shut down if not at least contain every other team. Hopefully they can keep 8 up front against the Giants and Cowboys.
Gaints - nothing at WR
Cowboys- Williams who Samuel can handle 1v1
taterskin - bunch of names that cant match the hype.
the defense is a work in progress. anyone can say they suck now when the loss of JJ is fresh and the new D coordinator is feeling is way into the role. New players need to step up as well. Preseason is a joke and shouldnt be used as any indicator of anything. Lions went 4-0 in preseason and then went 0-16 in the regular season.
I don't put any stock into records - but I do look at the fundamentals and how they play together and to me those things ain't lookin' too good. The excessive penalties, blown coverages, turnovers and all of that crap has to stop.
It is imperative that they are able to match up 1v1, and win the run stuffing battle with the front 4 because once they start having to run blitz or commit a safety over the top the TEs are going to eat their asses up.
Two things there. All those teams can run the ball, and they all have TEs they don't mind passing to.
no doubt about that, but if you dont have the deep ball threat it allows an average defense to focus on a short field... runs and dink and dunk passes.
True.
It bugs the shtein out of me that they still don't have any real impact players at LB.
Akeem Jordan / Joe Mays & Omar Gaither / Chris Gocong
I long for the days of the rotating WILs each year, Trotter and Emmons.
Quote from: MURP on August 22, 2009, 01:15:13 AM
no doubt about that, but if you dont have the deep ball threat it allows an average defense to focus on a short field... runs and dink and dunk passes.
Even if they give up three yards per play, the Eagles defense is consistent for giving up rishing first downs in short yardage situations.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
I don't put any stock into records
exactly
if i hear someone say "preseason means nothing" again im gonna combust...maybe if youre talking to munson/reese/cole or that moron jihadist monk is this month you might have to throw that out as a disclaimer...but for the most part we all know preseason is worthless and are judging the birds on their roster and not how they played in 11 minutes vs the colts on thrusday
Right I'm the moron.
I'm the one who one minute said the loss of Stewart Bradley meant nothing because he sucks, but then when someone challenges you to why the defense will be worse said that the loss of Bradley and his leadership would be a loss.
Mhm. Sure.
when he got hurt it was about how good of a player he was and how replaceable he is....and i said the defense wont be tangibly worse because of his play...i mean hes a decent player at a non factor position...
now we are talking about leadership....thats a whole nother part of the game...by all accounts he was becoming the main leader on the defense and he was really getting the schemes down pat and making all the calls...its harder to replace that than it is to find a linebacker who can physical play the game as good as he did...but even at that i never said because stewart bradley got injured the leadership on the eagles is going to shtein...i simply included him in the mix with jj and dawk and the fatc that all three went out all at ounce (pour another one out for jjj tonite dunn)
stop trying to find every little thing people say and blindly pouncing on it....youre that cat that reads the first two sentences of a post then jizzes his undies cause you think you saw something that you could 'bust' someone on and reply without reading the rest of it and look like a fool....hence your idiocy yesterday about the defense
instead you should read what people say then think really hard about it reach into your hollow skull and try to formulate something intelligent on a football (or whatev er sport youre attempting to speak on) level...try this for a week or two and i think youll find youd be much less of an idiot on such matters
I dunno the fact that I just pissed you off enough to write a 5 paragraph (igy) post has me thinking I'm doing something right.
Leadership beyond your coaches is completely irrelevent.
Stewart Bradley is a good young MLB who's play will be missed especially compared to Joe Mays who apparently can only literally run forward.
They don't even play the regular defensive schemes during the preseason. That's what makes the performances worth less than nothing. Same goes for the offense too.
There's one thing to look for in preseason: LACK OF INJURIES.
If that happens it's a total success. Unfortunately for the Eagles it's been a total failure in that regard.
QuoteDefensive coordinator Sean McDermott made the announcement Sunday that Gaither will work in the base 4-3 as the first-team middle linebacker this week in practice. As to who will start Thursday in the preseason finale against the Jets, no determination has been made. In fact, with two weeks to go before the start of the regular season, McDermott declared that the middle linebacker job is an open competition.
"open competition" = Gaither is the starter
I was really pulling for Mays, but after watching him this preseason, he's god awful when he's gotta move laterally. Gaither isn't the thumper I'd like at the MIKE, but he's not going to be the glaring liability that I think Mays would be.
Agreed.
I was hoping Mays would be Trotter re-incarnated, but he isn't. Except for being a liability in coverage and guessing his ass off and shooting the wrong gaps. But Trotter could cover up those weaknesses (and JJ could cover them for him at times).
Those weaknesses were never covered up.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 31, 2009, 01:49:17 AM
Those weaknesses were never covered up.
Nope, they were however forgotten in the ecstatic joy brought on by the awesome woodchopper routine, especially when it was performed after a tackle for loss with the Eagles down 16 points in the fourth quarter.
It's funny, he cut wood as a kid
As well as his hand. With a chainsaw.
So, Dio, are you saying that he was not an effective MLB?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2009, 12:07:32 PMSo, Dio, are you saying that he was not an effective MLB?
Effective, but not any kind of rock star. Dumb as a stump and over-loved on account of his WWE schtick.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 31, 2009, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 31, 2009, 01:49:17 AM
Those weaknesses were never covered up.
Nope, they were however forgotten in the ecstatic joy brought on by the awesome woodchopper routine, especially when it was performed after a tackle for loss with the Eagles down 16 points in the fourth quarter.
:-D :-D I was just talking to my friend about that when he scored a touchdown on me late in the 4th qtr in a madden game after I was up 28-0 and he got all giddy on me.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 31, 2009, 01:27:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2009, 12:07:32 PMSo, Dio, are you saying that he was not an effective MLB?
Effective, but not any kind of rock star. Dumb as a stump and over-loved on account of his WWE schtick.
For the three years before he went to Washington he made more tackles than anyone. He also had a nack for making the big play. Even with Bradley the Eagles don't have a linebacker anywere near as good as Trotter was.
But yeah, he did dumb shtein too, like getting thrown out before the kickoff on Monday night, fargin' dumbass.
By the way, I am 100% on the 'the defense is going to suck this year' bandwagon. I've seen absolutely nothing to make me think that they can play.
Let me guess: Stewart Bradley, Sean McDermott and Dawkins? Aside from that nothing has changed from last year.
I personally think losing Bradley hurts a alot, but McDermott has been in the system fro 10+ years and Dawkins became a liability down the stretch who's easily on his last wheel
So that means the only thing taking them out of the top 5 again in defense is Bradley..which many will disagree. So Im trying to see here how they will suck so bad from 3 no opposing team preparation, scheming, meaningless pre-season games
Tackles don't mean shtein. Nothing. Somebody makes a lot of tackles for even the worst defenses.
Quote from: reese125 on August 31, 2009, 04:41:34 PM
Let me guess: Stewart Bradley, Sean McDermott and Dawkins? Aside from that nothing has changed from last year.
Mostly it's the fact that they have been paper mache for the entire pre-season and haven't settled some of their starting positions yet.
Reese has a point. We all know pre season doesn't mean shtein.
OK well I'm not gonna claim to be some sort of seer or defend the thought tooth and nail. I'm just saying that I haven't liked one thing that I've seen from the D so far.
Samuel has played pretty well and the tackles haven't been awful.
i couldn't tell if it was the jags having a zesty line or what, but getting cole back seemed to bolster the pass rush a decent amount on Thursday.
Cole did look great, problem is he's gonna get worn out as usual, and there isnt anyone behind him. It'll be interesting to see what DE's make the team. Babin has played much better than i thought he would. Smith hasnt done shtein other than the INT, and some good ST play. Howard, i have no clue where he's been. Abiamiri looks like an animal, and is invisible on the field. Clemmons is built for a 3-4 OLB spot.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 31, 2009, 08:29:36 PM
Cole did look great, problem is he's gonna get worn out as usual, and there isnt anyone behind him. It'll be interesting to see what DE's make the team. Babin has played much better than i thought he would. Smith hasnt done shtein other than the INT, and some good ST play. Howard, i have no clue where he's been. Abiamiri looks like an animal, and is invisible on the field. Clemmons is built for a 3-4 OLB spot.
Abiamari only played last week, remember he has been hurt. I thought he looked pretty damn good out there he definitely was around the ball a few times.
Quote from: Rome on August 31, 2009, 07:33:21 PM
Samuel has played pretty well and the tackles haven't been awful.
Samuel has asserted himself as the heir apparent to Dawk as the leader. He's been talkin' it up and proving it on the field.
I like him and Sheldon. I like the starting tackles. I like Cole. I like Mikell.
Questions remain about the 3rd/4th CB, the starting FS, the entire group of LBs, backup tackles, a pass rush opposite of Cole.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 31, 2009, 06:39:40 PM
Reese has a point. We all know pre season doesn't mean shtein.
does that also go for the offenses the eagles play against in preseason?
am i the only one shocked that macho harris and quinton demps are battling it out for the FS spot
am i also the only person that would be more than a little uncomfortable if macho harris is starting for them in charlotte
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 01, 2009, 04:33:22 PM
am i the only one shocked that macho harris and quinton demps are battling it out for the FS spot
am i also the only person that would be more than a little uncomfortable if macho harris is starting for them in charlotte
That is a little alarming, Demps is getting pissed that he hasn't been named starter yet. He said if he knew it would take this long he would have "worked a little harder" WTF?
Can't imagine why they didn't name him the starter.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 01, 2009, 04:33:22 PM
am i the only one shocked that macho harris and quinton demps are battling it out for the FS spot
am i also the only person that would be more than a little uncomfortable if macho harris is starting for them in charlotte
Nope.
I was shocked when Macho was running with the 1's the other night. I mentioned in the Sean Jones thread that I'm surprised he hasn't shown anything. I thought for sure it would be Demps/Mikell or Mikell/Jones as the guys.
A guy named Macho?
Insert Village People/Freddie Mercury picture here.
QuoteReid said linebacker Joe Mays (shoulder sprain) won't play, which makes strongside linebacker Chris Gocong the backup in the middle should Omar Gaither get hurt. Gaither has been battling through an ankle injury but Reid did not seem terribly concerned by that. Gocong said he'll get some work in the middle at practice today, for the first time since high school. Mays said he fell on the shoulder wrong in the preseason finale against the Jets, but doesn't think he'll be sidelined long.
Worst LBs in the league
top 5 defense......BOOK IT!
Oh how I miss the days of B & E and Joyner
Well, can't find anything bad to say about the D today.
We were all wrong. As of today, at least.
I really think they played out of their minds, and had a great scheme, but they played Choke Delhomme, and he farging sucks.
Next week is one you get to see them against the one of the best offenses in the NFC
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 13, 2009, 05:29:07 PM
I really think they played out of their minds, and had a great scheme, but they played Choke Delhomme, and he farging sucks.
Next week is one you get to see them against the one of the best offenses in the NFC
But they contained the run game and one of the better olines around. ???
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 13, 2009, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 13, 2009, 05:29:07 PM
I really think they played out of their minds, and had a great scheme, but they played Choke Delhomme, and he farging sucks.
Next week is one you get to see them against the one of the best offenses in the NFC
But they contained the run game and one of the better olines around. ???
I know, but they also went from not being able to stop the Panthers for 8 minutes thanks to a dumb penalty on Parker, to 21 pts in 3 minutes, and the run game was contained by them running less. I guess what i'm saying is they surprised the shtein outta me, but i want to see them against a premier offense, and a QB who isnt completely incompetent.
they did a good job. they haven't legitimized themselves yet, though.
Next week will tell the tale. Friggen' Bree's was off the hook this week, 358 yds. and 6 td's.
Next week won't be fair. Because Kolb is an abomination and the defense will be sucking wind all day.
Everyone was wrong.... but me. ;D ;D ;D
unfortunately i don't think the saints care, their just going to have to suck it up.
what sucks even more is i have visions of mcnabb playing with that flak jacket thing and sucking worst then kobbb could ever hope to.
and then some can say they suck. Carolina had the best record last year in the nfc, they have their whole o line back and the eagles pressured them and shut them down.
The defense did a really good job after that first drive and that one was stopped if not for Parker's penalty. They were able to get quick, and consistent pressure on Del Hommenna hommenna and the secondary was able to sit on routes and capitalize when he got antsy in the pocket and as is characteristic for him started chucking the rock up for grabs.
What will be interesting is whether teams will be able to look at this film and adjust by going to max protect. I want to see how these boys cover if the Qb has some time to throw. They look like they have come into their own as a unit but what happens when Macho actually gets tested?
All in all it was a good tune up type of game. They accomplished just about all you would ant to see:
Tunovers and points on defense.
At least one really good sustained drive on offense.
Decent running attack.
Problems:
I still see too many dropped balls.
Akers kicked the ball out of bounds.
The defense got it shoved down their collective throats on the first drive.
There were waaay too many penalties.
Mcnabb hurt but he has to play because Kobb just SUCKS I mean like an Oreck he sucks.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on September 13, 2009, 05:49:26 PM
and then some can say they suck. Carolina had the best record last year in the nfc, they have their whole o line back and the eagles pressured them and shut them down.
Yeah, I pretty much agree (as already said). The Panthers oline is considered one of the better in the NFC. And everyone (for the most part, including myself) said they would OWN the Eagles dline and LBs. It was the other way around.
displaced...the penalties were expected.
The oline especially. THey have barely played together and then when Kolb came in, they had that stiff back there so another new face.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 13, 2009, 05:52:43 PM
displaced...the penalties were expected.
The oline especially. THey have barely played together and then when Kolb came in, they had that stiff back there so another new face.
They need to use peters and run behind his ass all day. West had a couple good runs behind him. run run run fat ass. pound the ball and keep the defense rested.
BTW the saints were playing the fargin Lions and the Lions put up 27 on them.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 13, 2009, 05:52:43 PM
displaced...the penalties were expected.
The oline especially. THey have barely played together and then when Kolb came in, they had that stiff back there so another new face.
I hear ya PG. I guess we can give them a pass on that score (like it matters what we think). I actually think its a good thing though. A win like this can lead to a let down but the mistakes gives Reid&Co. a reason to chew into them and keep them honest.
Kobb reeeaaallly scares me though. He looked lost out there. Shady looked good and if they can sustain the run-which is just what they will need to do against the Saints-maybe he can muddle through as long as they don't have to put the game in his hands. In other words PUNT on third and lond as long as Kobb is in there.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on September 13, 2009, 06:00:05 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 13, 2009, 05:52:43 PM
displaced...the penalties were expected.
The oline especially. THey have barely played together and then when Kolb came in, they had that stiff back there so another new face.
They need to use peters and run behind his ass all day. West had a couple good runs behind him. run run run fat ass. pound the ball and keep the defense rested.
BTW the saints were playing the fargin Lions and the Lions put up 27 on them.
LOL yeah I just saw the wrap on NFL network. Stafford threw THREE picks and they still almost scored thirty. If the defense plays half as good as they did today, the Saints should be easy pickins at home outside.
Hold the Saints to 21 pts and I would consider this a good defense. Lucky for the Eagles the Saints no longer have a power running game which they could never stop (Duece).
Pierre is good though. And Brees will not make mistakes.
Quote from: shorebird on September 13, 2009, 05:40:34 PM
Next week will tell the tale. Friggen' Bree's was off the hook this week, 358 yds. and 6 td's.
you do realize they played the Lions today right?
and the eagles played a guy who has thrown for 9 int's in the last eight quarters
whats your point
Quote from: mussa on September 13, 2009, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: shorebird on September 13, 2009, 05:40:34 PM
Next week will tell the tale. Friggen' Bree's was off the hook this week, 358 yds. and 6 td's.
you do realize they played the Lions today right?
The Lions?!? Really?? Man, thanks for telling me. That explains everything, and the same qb who threw six td's against them won't do anything against the Eagles. After all, he only threw for over 5 grand last year.
if mussa wasnt an eagle toaster oven he would realize that the bigger storyline is how many pts the lions put up against the sainbts rather than how many brees put up.....if cobb doesnt see the field next week the eagles should be able to score at will on that atrocity of a defense
Can we talk about Quentin Mikell celebrating the defense allowing a first down inside the five? Then can we find Quentin Mikell's address and light his car on fire?
I'm not ready to cause physical harm to him. Just to his property.
Hoyda.
That's fair.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 13, 2009, 09:12:46 PM
Can we talk about Quentin Mikell celebrating the defense allowing a first down inside the five?
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=20623.0
So you're saying that yes, we can discuss that? Word.
as long as you keep the discussion in its proper place
Consolidating threads gets the gas face.
black cat is bad luck...bad guys wear black...
Can you imagine what was going through Jake Delhomme's face :o when he saw Trent Cole comin at him full bore from thta joker position. I swore he threw that ball away on purpose till I saw the replay. :-D
Jake Delhomme....1 TD and 9 INTs in his last two games.
MVP! MVP! MVP!
They contained the run because they jumped ahead and forced CAR to air it more. And they locked onto Smith and grandpa Muhammed well. WTF was up with CAR running fly routes to Moose anyways? Idiot OC.
I hope I continue to be wrong. They played pretty damn good today.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2009, 11:22:54 PM
Jake Delhomme....1 TD and 9 INTs in his last two games.
Don't forget his 2 fumbles. 11 total turnovers in 8 quarters.
And one fat ass contract that probably will make Richardson need another heart transplant.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2009, 10:47:55 AM
And one fat ass contract that probably will make Richardson need another heart transplant.
:-D
double ha
QuoteSean McDermott didn't call his first blitz until there were just 2 1/2 minutes left in the first half, which tells you all you need to know about the respect the Eagles' defensive coordinator has for Saints quarterback Drew Brees.
He sent middle linebacker Omar Gaither through the "A" gap after Brees. Gaither got picked up, but Brees had to hurry his throw and the pass for tight end Jeremy Shockey went incomplete.
Ran another blitz on the very next play and had even better luck with it. End Juqua Parker broke through and hit Brees, forcing a fumble that, alas, the Saints recovered.
One thing I will never understand is, when you have a defense whose bread and butter is pressure and blitzing and making life uncomfortable for a QB, why do you choose to play coverage most of the time?
You have one of the best corners in the game (Samuel) and one very good corner (Brown); let them man up. Get after the farging QB and at least force him to throw short.
They were starting a young LT yesterday. Get after his ass and pick on him.
Because Drew Brees killed them when they blitzed. He threw for over half his yards on plays where the Eagles blized.
Drunk again.
QuoteSean McDermott didn't call his first blitz until there were just 2 1/2 minutes left in the first half
Did you miss that?
Good.
If you can't get pressure with the front 4 against Brees, then you are in trouble.
Blitzing him is a bad idea.
Stop posting.
Brees did pick the defense apart when they blitzed, so whatever.
The defense was going to get ass raped yesterday regardless of what mcredhead called.
QuoteOn plays with 10 or more yards to go for a first down, Saints QB Drew Brees was 15 of 20 for 222 yards and three touchdowns
Horrible.
Quote from: jihadist monk on September 21, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
Brees did pick the defense apart when they blitzed, so whatever.
The defense was going to get ass raped yesterday regardless of what mcredhead called.
Exactly.
If you keep getting killed when you do something, why keep doing it?
I'm disappointed in the D, but I can only blame the offense. The lack of sustaining drives in the 2nd half and the entire game, killed our defense. Our defense was on the field too much. Praise Allah, please get McNabb back
The reason the defense was on the field too much was due in part to the fact they couldn't get the Saints offense off the field. It was a turd game all around.
The Saints will do the same thing they did to the Eagles to just about every other team in the league. I'm doing me best to forget about this game and hope Dmac heals quickly.
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 20, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
I think we're overreacting a tad.
We're definitely taking a step back without Bradley, but other than that we didn't lose anything from last year to this year and there's no reason to think our top guys are going to fall off a cliff.
And yes I know we lost Dawkins, but he was not a good safety and I doubt the drop off to Demps/Jones will be that much.
Still a top 10 defense at least.
You will be fine. You just got beat down by the Saints. This is something 16 defenses will experience this year. It shouldn't change the way you feel about your D. Before the game you guys were so fired up about your D, keep your heads up.
Quote from: Saints Win on September 22, 2009, 07:37:47 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 20, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
I think we're overreacting a tad.
We're definitely taking a step back without Bradley, but other than that we didn't lose anything from last year to this year and there's no reason to think our top guys are going to fall off a cliff.
And yes I know we lost Dawkins, but he was not a good safety and I doubt the drop off to Demps/Jones will be that much.
Still a top 10 defense at least.
You will be fine. You just got beat down by the Saints. This is something 16 defenses will experience this year. It shouldn't change the way you feel about your D. Before the game you guys were so fired up about your D, keep your heads up.
oh wait, did you post prior to your win? Go farg yourself
Quote from: Saints Win on September 22, 2009, 07:37:47 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 20, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
I think we're overreacting a tad.
We're definitely taking a step back without Bradley, but other than that we didn't lose anything from last year to this year and there's no reason to think our top guys are going to fall off a cliff.
And yes I know we lost Dawkins, but he was not a good safety and I doubt the drop off to Demps/Jones will be that much.
Still a top 10 defense at least.
You will be fine. You just got beat down by the Saints. This is something 16 defenses will experience this year. It shouldn't change the way you feel about your D. Before the game you guys were so fired up about your D, keep your heads up.
wow what a condescending douchefarg youre....saints score a bunch of pts in the first two weeks after an eight win season and all four of their fans crawl out of the woodwork and becomse aholes?
youre a saints "fan" keep your head up
Quote from: Saints Win on September 22, 2009, 07:37:47 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 20, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
I think we're overreacting a tad.
We're definitely taking a step back without Bradley, but other than that we didn't lose anything from last year to this year and there's no reason to think our top guys are going to fall off a cliff.
And yes I know we lost Dawkins, but he was not a good safety and I doubt the drop off to Demps/Jones will be that much.
Still a top 10 defense at least.
You will be fine. You just got beat down by the Saints. This is something 16 defenses will experience this year. It shouldn't change the way you feel about your D. Before the game you guys were so fired up about your D, keep your heads up.
farg you and your condescending keep your heads up shtein. Where were you last week, slap dick?
Can anyone answer why the DBs were always playing 5+yds off?
Why didn't they press?
Why did they CONTINUOUSLY allow Dallas free releases to set up those bubble screens? Why did they allow them free releases to get into their routes?
Why are we subjected to the likes of Moise Fokou, Chris Gocong, Akeem Jordan as supposed real NFL LBs?
Why do they refuse to address LDE? So much for fastballs, Reid.
Get some help for Cole. Get some pass rushers. Get some real LBs and most of all get a goddamn attitude adjustment.
Akeem isnt a problem, he's actually better than i expected. The rest is dreck, Bradley could be a mess coming off knee surgery, farg this shtein
I also like Akeem Jordan.
Akeem Jordan and Tracy White are good nickel LBs and STs players.
Akeem was playing great up until his knee injury, he's been playing at half speed. White is a backup, and a valuable one, but they need a real LB starter to make him more effective.
Jordan was ok, but don't you want a linebacker who can disrupt plays and cause havoc?
None of our linebackers do that, and neither did Bradley really. He wasn't pro bowl caliber or anything. He was good, not great.
Can't wait to hear what Sheldon has to say about his contract now.
Hopefully he uses it to ignite the gasoline he poured over his head.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 10, 2010, 11:15:38 PM
Can't wait to hear what Sheldon has to say about his contract now.
He'll say that he had a great/pro bowl caliber season and was playing injured at the end of the season until his health finally got the better of him.
i was going thru the respective defensive rosters of the cowboys and eagles and assigned a number btwn 1-8 to each player
1 for a first round pick
8 for an UFA
dallas' total = 27
eagles total = 47
and i included bradley as the eagles mlb
Well, that says what we already knew, up till the last couple years the Eagles haven't drafted very well compared to the Cowboys, or any other team on the up swing.
I guess a second round pick was no. 2, and so on?
yeah...something i just did for fun but i feel like its def telling to a certain extent
Interesting.
And that's what happens when you have a roster full of hopeful's.
Get legit playmakers on the defensive side. We've seen them address the offensive side, now go get some bad motherfargers on the defense.
im sure howie roseman knows a bad motherfarger when he sees one
He does. They were the ones jacking his lunch money in school.
I also read something about Trot saying Romo knew exactly what was coming, apparently at one point telling Trotter to slide over during his pre-snap reads.
Easy gettin' feisty in the Ask Dave Forum:
QuoteI know there were issues all season because of the injuries to Bradley and Gaither (who fell out of favor anyway), but the lack of any playmakers at that position must be addressed this offseason. A team that blitzes this much can't rely on just the DEs and secondary to attack the QB. No 30-year olds with injury histories. No converted DEs from small schools that might project to outside linebacker. No undersized 7th-round picks and undrafted FAs that barely made the roster. Stop going cheap! Get someone in free agency and/or use a 1st-round pick on one for the first time in decades. And you can't count on Bradley until he proves he's 100%, so it'd be nice to have some depth there as well.
man easy is usually a big homer, interesting to see him turn like this
Ed says, "STOP THE INSANITY!"
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still not fixed from last year
gave up 30 points to kerry collins
Hobbs should not be starting. He sucks. Asante has a pick but he is lucky he did not get burned on a couple of those "jumps".
Soft undersized D with no real D coordinator.
Really good move to let Sheldon Brown go.
;pgbatsignal
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 24, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
Hobbs should not be starting. He sucks. Asante has a pick but he is lucky he did not get burned on a couple of those "jumps".
Soft undersized D with no real D coordinator.
Really good move to let Sheldon Brown go.
Ellis Hobbs is officially auditioning for the role of the Izel Jenkins Story....
Quote from: GeneralZOD on October 24, 2010, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 24, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
Hobbs should not be starting. He sucks. Asante has a pick but he is lucky he did not get burned on a couple of those "jumps".
Soft undersized D with no real D coordinator.
Really good move to let Sheldon Brown go.
Ellis Hobbs is officially auditioning for the role of the Izel Jenkins Story....
ellis hobbs deserves what he gets but lets not pretend that nate allen wasnt ten times worse today....in fact it was one of the worst games ive ever seen by a safety
Quote from: GeneralZOD on October 24, 2010, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 24, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
Hobbs should not be starting. He sucks. Asante has a pick but he is lucky he did not get burned on a couple of those "jumps".
Soft undersized D with no real D coordinator.
Really good move to let Sheldon Brown go.
Ellis Hobbs is officially auditioning for the role of the Izel Jenkins Story....
Very good :-D
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 24, 2010, 04:41:56 PM
still not fixed from last year
gave up 30 points to kerry collins
It isn't going to be fixed if they didn't do anything to fix it. What impact players did they add? Hell, their backups are outplaying their starters. What does that tell you when Dixon, Laws, and Fokou come in and outplay Bunkley, Patt, and Jordan?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2010, 05:06:19 PM
Quote from: GeneralZOD on October 24, 2010, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 24, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
Hobbs should not be starting. He sucks. Asante has a pick but he is lucky he did not get burned on a couple of those "jumps".
Soft undersized D with no real D coordinator.
Really good move to let Sheldon Brown go.
Ellis Hobbs is officially auditioning for the role of the Izel Jenkins Story....
But he is a rookie and has had more good games then bad. The secondary was terrible. Not excusing anyone but I don't get how they went into this season with Hobbs as the starter.
ellis hobbs deserves what he gets but lets not pretend that nate allen wasnt ten times worse today....in fact it was one of the worst games ive ever seen by a safety
Quote from: King Cole on October 24, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 24, 2010, 04:41:56 PM
still not fixed from last year
gave up 30 points to kerry collins
It isn't going to be fixed if they didn't do anything to fix it. What impact players did they add? Hell, their backups are outplaying their starters. What does that tell you when Dixon, Laws, and Fokou come in and outplay Bunkley, Patt, and Jordan?
how do you leave out owens....he was the best player on the field today for the eagles...on either side of the ball..and he played very well last week
Where did my post go?
Anyway not excusing Allen or anyone. The secondary played horrible. Asante got 1 pick but he could have been burned a lot more considering how much he bit.
Allen at least is a rookie and has had more good plays/games than bad. But Hobbs should be #3 on the depth chart at best. Dude sucks.
As next Saturday will be wide open I plan to scour the airwaves during college games and start scouting possible shut down corner backs.
Blame the FO got not adding any CB depth. They should have never went into the season with Hobbs starting. Everyone knew this in March when they did nothing in free agency, they knew it in April leading up to the draft, and they knew it after the draft when they waited until the 5th round to add a corner.
Apparently, the Eagles were the only ones that didn't know it.
Your post is there, Retard, you just quote-failed it. What you wrote is in the IGY quote, above what IGY said
Quote from: King Cole on October 24, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 24, 2010, 04:41:56 PM
still not fixed from last year
gave up 30 points to kerry collins
It isn't going to be fixed if they didn't do anything to fix it. What impact players did they add? Hell, their backups are outplaying their starters. What does that tell you when Dixon, Laws, and Fokou come in and outplay Bunkley, Patt, and Jordan?
they drafted a shteinload of guys on D
other than owens i dont think any of the draftees did anything positive today
this defense makes me want to break shtein
Owens is still on the practice squad, so what the hell are you guys talking about?
They did draft a lot of guys, but it is naive to expect more than one of them to come in and have a major impact right away. DEs don't often come in as rookies and have major impacts. Other than that, him and Allen are the only ones who have been getting significant playing time.
lol i meant dixon...funny thing was i was about to reply to legendz and say owens wasnt a draft pick
why are you people talking about Jeff Owens?
PS
I mentioned Dixon. He has been the best DT on the team by far. When is the last time one of our DTs had 2 sacks in 2 games? He is looking good early.
ha, i was going off igy's post.
i thought they brought up owens when bunk went down, though. guess that was only reported
They did bring him up, but didn't activate him last week. Was he put back on the PS?
Quote from: King Cole on October 24, 2010, 05:24:12 PM
I mentioned Dixon. He has been the best DT on the team by far. When is the last time one of our DTs had 2 sacks in 2 games? He is looking good early.
a guy the taterskins let go, no less
wonder if the gold standard will let him keep taking reps when bunk is healthy
Wow, were pissed.
Heard this stat on Sports Final: The Eagles have the worst red zone D in the league, giving up a TD 75% of the time.
Holy shtein that's ridiculously bad, maybe even historically
Holy shtein is right! TD 75% of the time? Real playoff worthy.
Point & Laugh at the Eagles Defense?
This defense has been pretty bad pretty much all year sans the Jax game. And they've been terrible in the 2nd half, especially the 4th quarter. Aside from Asante, there isn't a single playmaker on this defense and he's only good for a pick but not much else. The front 4 is playing fairly well but that's about it.
Quote from: SD on November 29, 2010, 12:08:21 AM
Heard this stat on Sports Final: The Eagles have the worst red zone D in the league, giving up a TD 75% of the time.
that is laughable.
Is it safe to say Sean Mcdermott's time is up? Please can we get a legit D coordinator, please.
turnovers have pretty much bailed out what has been a bad defense this year and yesterday against the ultimate turnover machine in jay cutler they got none while vick had a killer red zone giveaway......that was basically the game
I hate Stewart Bradley. Really all I see him doing is getting blocked, missing tackles or running for his life trying to catch TE's.
Quote from: mussa on November 29, 2010, 11:07:36 AM
I hate Stewart Bradley. Really all I see him doing is getting blocked, missing tackles or running for his life trying to catch TE's.
I think he is great for the run defense and abhorrently awful for the pass defense. Classic one-dimensional LB. I would love to see the Eagles upgrade.
Really? Great? I can't recall that many plays being made by him this year.
I can't recall many teams running the ball particularly well against the Eagles this year either.
Let's just say he's OK at run defense and piss-poor-stab-yourself-in-the-eyes awful at pass defense, and call it a day.... Fair?
Look at the box score. 127 year old Brian Urlacher had 10 tackles & Bradley had 5 (which I thought was generous, actually).
He's awful and has been all year.
Is there a more useless stat in all of sports than tackles?
plus/minus
pitcher's wins
GB, Lions, 1st taterskins game and Bears ran all over us at will. They are the only teams that actually tried to run and they did it with ease. The others teams either got behind or were having their way in the air. The run D is soft and will be our downfall if we get anywhere in the playoffs.
vorp?
It's because, and stop me if you're heard this before, the LBs suck. Dixon and Patterson, from what I can tell are playing well inside. Bradley blows, Fokou hasn't done anything, and Sims is mediocre. When a run is stuffed it's because one of the front four has gotten pressure in the backfield (normally Dixon or Cole), not because the LBs are helping. Oh, and Mikell as the SS hasn't done anything productive at the LOS all season.
the run d isn't even that bad, the secondary needs help, especially at strong safety because Mikell sucks.
All this great information helps me remember why I was all for Kolb starting this year.
Mikell is the biggest hole on the D right now. He can't tackle, he can't cover, so what good is he.
he is horrible
if the offense is throwing up 35 a week it's not usually an issue but they really got exposed yesterday. i mean badly too. mcdermott got schooled again, but honestly, vince lombardi would have gotten schooled with the clowns they ran out there.
Quote from: SD on November 29, 2010, 02:40:28 PM
Mikell is the biggest hole on the D right now. He can't tackle, he can't cover, so what good is he.
not pretty when a SS doesn't tackle as well as your zone corner
Quote from: Rome on November 29, 2010, 11:25:23 AM
Look at the box score. 127 year old Brian Urlacher had 10 tackles & Bradley had 5 (which I thought was generous, actually).
He's awful and has been all year.
he was agregiously bad yesterday...completely embarrassing....mikell also sucks but lets be honest he probably should have never been starting in the nfl...bradley at least showed some promise at one point and was a first day pick
Forte shook Stew outta his cleats in a space about 4 feet wide on his 61 yard run.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 29, 2010, 05:20:57 PM
Forte shook Stew outta his cleats in a space about 4 feet wide on his 61 yard run.
even more disturbing is he also got trucked at least three times which should never happen with him...the one thing he has above all else is size
SUPER. BOWL. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Man_Up_Bradley_Lindley_and_the_Eagles_D.html)
Stew was horrible and was totally pushed around all game.
Stew Bradley sucked on Sunday.
Him and his BFF Brent Celek have crumbled under the hype.
Time to get a real MLB.
Trotter come back!
Dear Lord.
QuoteIt wasn't always pretty for the Eagles defense going up against the third-ranked offense in the league. Especially troublesome was the continued revolving door in the red zone. The Texans scored touchdowns on all three of their red zone possessions. After 12 games, the Eagles have allowed touchdowns on 26 of 33 trips into the red zone for the opposition, a stunning 78.8 percent of the time, worst in the league.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2010, 09:25:24 AM
Dear Lord.
QuoteIt wasn't always pretty for the Eagles defense going up against the third-ranked offense in the league. Especially troublesome was the continued revolving door in the red zone. The Texans scored touchdowns on all three of their red zone possessions. After 12 games, the Eagles have allowed touchdowns on 26 of 33 trips into the red zone for the opposition, a stunning 78.8 percent of the time, worst in the league.
Worst since the 1988 Houston Oilers
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 30, 2010, 06:58:41 PM
Stew Bradley sucked on Sunday.
Him and his BFF Brent Celek have crumbled under the hype.
Time to get a real MLB.
Trotter come back!
IT WORKED!
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2010, 09:25:24 AM
Dear Lord.
QuoteIt wasn't always pretty for the Eagles defense going up against the third-ranked offense in the league. Especially troublesome was the continued revolving door in the red zone. The Texans scored touchdowns on all three of their red zone possessions. After 12 games, the Eagles have allowed touchdowns on 26 of 33 trips into the red zone for the opposition, a stunning 78.8 percent of the time, worst in the league.
I keep reading that stat over and over... and it doesn't get any less disgusting.
33 red zone trips... 26 TD's allowed. What the farg...
It's the bend, break, and take it up the ass defense.
It's the offense needs to outscore the other guy because your defense sucks balls defense. it's like watching a goddamned video game. If they don't get a takeaway you know the opposition is scoring.
Except at the end of the game yesterday, when I really would have appreciated a backdoor cover.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 03, 2010, 01:17:44 PM
It's the offense needs to outscore the other guy because your defense sucks balls defense. it's like watching a goddamned video game. If they don't get a takeaway you know the opposition is scoring.
this
its just pathetic and its the one reason you cant get completely excited about this year
Yes, their only chance is takeaways or blitzes that lead to sacks. The front 4 doesn't get enough pressure on its own and the secondary is not good enough to sit in coverage with no rush on the QB. With that all said, it still blows my mind they are as bad as they are in the red zone. Not sure how an average d in most other facets because legendarily bad inside the 20.
on wip this morning one of their friday five questions was what is the one thing the eagles are missing
everyone of course said a big powerful 3rd and 1 rb
but and i say this with a heavy heart because killa is my boy but their major missing link is a dominant pass rusher....that changes your entire defense
Problem isn't Cole, it's whoever they are starting opposite of him. DTs have been fine this year. Need another productive DE and that transforms the whole D.
productive wont do it...they need a big time end and who said killa was the problem?
I think if they can get someone opposite Cole who can get 10/11 sacks a year they'll be fine. Not convinced Graham can do that.
graham is the football version of evan turner
at least Earl Thomas isn't doing anything in Seattle, oh wait...it's the opposite of that
Yeah except everyone thought they should have taken Earl Thomas not Graham, whereas most people (rightly or wrongly) wanted the Sixers to take Turner.
Brandon Graham has a high motor.
Anyone else notice that Mikell is is out of position, or part of a bad play more and more as the weeks go by?
he farging sucks...he might be my most hated eagle.
i know it's petty, but when they used to introduce the defense, and Dawkins was last, it farging set the place off. now, they have nobody on that defense that can do that. it's lame.
Killa is too quiet. I think maybe Ernie Sims needs to step up.
i know its not new or groundbreaking but the linebackers suck
other than samuel and cole they don't have anyone worth announcing let alone announcing last.
and did anyone else catch joe leg raving about bradley after he made his customary lone play of the game? it was highly comical.
They need some farging attitude on that defense.
btw, how much have these last two games changed the entire fanbase's tune on Assante Samuel? i guess people aren't so eager to get rid of him now because he can't tackle when they see what slop we'd be left with
Pretty much.
Take him for what he is. Cover corner. Let him do his thing. Bobby Taylor didn't tackle anyone for 8 years
I still think he's a clown because I can never let anything go and I've been drinking.
turnovers and 3rd down % are the two most important things in football and assante gives you one of them....end of story
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2010, 03:32:08 PM
graham is the football version of evan turner
While I see the comparison, there aren't many DEs that come in an make a huge impact there rookie season. He has been an average player so far, but at least he has shown some flashes. It seems to me like they are asking him to do too much as a rookie. He was brought in to rush the passer, yet you see him back in coverage or some other shtein he shouldn't be doing.
Yup, if McDermott and Reid used Graham the right way and CONSISTENTLY in the same position, I tend to think he'd have made a much bigger impact at this point.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
Brandon Graham has a high motor.
Fastballs
My D wish list is:
Another good cornerback. I like Patterson but not as a starter, Hanson post performance enhancers sucks, Lindley is too young to depend on. Hate to say it but they should have kept Sheldon until the end of this season. I hope they sign a vet CB in the offseason - someone who can step right in - then draft a CB in the midrounds
SAM LB- Foiku is a backup/special teams player in this league. No one on this team can cover a tight end for shtein. The hole at SAM is glaring. They need depth at LB in general as well.
Strong Safety - I can't stand Mikell, he sucks at coverage and can't tackle worth a damn. As a SS you have to excel at one or the other.
Defensive End- I haven't given up on Graham - although I didn't buy into the preseason hype to begin with - but they need a big rangy DE who can rush the passer and is a menace. Really they just need 'that player' whether it's a D-lineman or LB (most likely it'll be a DE). Cole is that guy on occassion but they need someone that can do it when he's not.
as crazy as it sounds this defensive front needs Juqua Parker asap. Hes your motor and causes the qb to release the ball muck quicker--not to mention attributes to Coles pressure as well.
you add him in with asante and there is your 3rd down convergence rate
And yet, somehow, the touchdowns will continue to pour in. Crazy.
Quote from: SunMo on December 03, 2010, 04:44:37 PM
btw, how much have these last two games changed the entire fanbase's tune on Assante Samuel? i guess people aren't so eager to get rid of him now because he can't tackle when they see what slop we'd be left with
Not me. All the nitwits whining about Asante not tackling are clueless. He's always said it himself, he's not paid to tackle. Too many idiots don't understand how much more important a good cover corner is to have then one that can "light someone up".
thats pretty extreme. I dont think anyone wants him to light anybody up--just make the routine tackle.
and lets not pretend he's deion sanders out there and is lights out. yes he makes a huge difference, but you are paid to tackle...and tackle well because when you are one-on-one with a wr you better be damn sure you make the tackle or you risk a huge gain. hes missed plenty and has done some stupid shtein out there.
but I'd take him all day every day because the turnovers he creates are worth every penny and changes games.
Nate Allen and Mikell are paid to tackle.
Quote from: reese125 on December 03, 2010, 11:25:17 PM
thats pretty extreme. I dont think anyone wants him to light anybody up--just make the routine tackle.
and lets not pretend he's deion sanders out there and is lights out. yes he makes a huge difference, but you are paid to tackle...and tackle well because when you are one-on-one with a wr you better be damn sure you make the tackle or you risk a huge gain. hes missed plenty and has done some stupid shtein out there.
but I'd take him all day every day because the turnovers he creates are worth every penny and changes games.
This issue isn't, as far as I am aware, that he doesn't tackle the WR if he makes a catch. What Samuel has always taken heat for is tackling a ball carrier that comes out into the flat, such as a fullback, halfback, or tight end. Also, he's shown he can be hesitant to try to run through/into blockers on screens. With regard to that, I've made my peace with it. Dude weighs, what, 175 on a good day? It's an easy trade to make considering what he gives you in coverage.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 04, 2010, 03:09:29 AM
Nate Allen and Mikell are paid to tackle.
Mikell can farg off. Allen, on the whole, has been pretty impressive for a rookie taking over that position. Obviously, he hasn't had a lot of talent in front of him, and he's held his own. I think next year he'll be really good.
Nate Allen got straight trucked by Foster Thursday night. He's gotta learn to get lower, but Foster is also a lot bigger than I thought.
He did get trucked, but Foster was going to score regardless.
I like Nate Allen, teams don't get big plays on the Eagles because of him, he's good in coverage, and gets in good position to make tackles. The knock on him coming out of college was his tackling...that's certainly carried over to the pros. He does need to get lower and realize this isn't high school ball where he can just drive through everyone.
Yeah, the Foster play was definitely a rookie mistake. Going up high on Foster with a head of steam will usually net bad results. Also, I am not comparing him at all to Dawk, but really good things do seem to happen when Allen blitzes.
Yeah as terrible as our secondary has been, Nate Allen has done pretty well despite the holes. I really did not understand putting all your chips on a guy like Hobbs who seemed to be injury prone his whole career. We def need a veteran CB and I wouldn't mind a first day CB as well. Patterson has stepped it up but I'm not ready to hand him the job yet, but I really like the way he plays corner. He's a great nickel CB at this point.
lol at people defending nate farging allen to the death and hating on assante
i though the pimp stuff had cf at a new low but this might top it
drunken bitter self-loathing igy rules.
I luv me sum Asante
I've never been a big fan of Asante and was never really in support of bringing him in. However, it's hard to argue with how much of a difference he makes when he's on the field. The defense is better with him out there. I'm still not a fan, but I'll definitely take him over the slop that's been out there the last 2 weeks.
is it normal for you not to be a fan of players that make the team better?
I don't care for his overall game. Other than interceptions, he doesn't bring a lot to the table.
thats like saying other than sacks, reggie white brought nothing to the table
Yeah, when he's not intercepting the ball, you always see him getting torched.
(Actually, this is not true either. Sarge is dumb.)
Quote from: MDS on December 05, 2010, 12:33:36 PMthats like saying other than sacks, reggie white brought nothing to the table
if Reggie did nothing but sack qbs, you'd be right
but of course he was a complete player so NO
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 05, 2010, 12:26:29 PM
I don't care for his overall game. Other than interceptions, he doesn't bring a lot to the table.
???
It is the coach's job to use his players to their strength. Last year, McDermot insisted on playing Samuel in press coverage a lot. That is not his strong suit. He is a great off corner.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 05, 2010, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 05, 2010, 12:33:36 PMthats like saying other than sacks, reggie white brought nothing to the table
if Reggie did nothing but sack qbs, you'd be right
but of course he was a complete player so NO
Ha.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 05, 2010, 12:39:43 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 05, 2010, 12:26:29 PM
I don't care for his overall game. Other than interceptions, he doesn't bring a lot to the table.
???
He's not a very physical player, which is something that I'll never fully look beyond when it comes to football players. Too many times I see him whiff on a tackle that allows the ball carrier to get a first down and sometimes he blatantly avoids contact. He's a good player and a playmaker (in fact, I said a couple of weeks ago that he's the only legit playmaker on this defense), I'm just not a big fan.
I farging hate playmakers who lead the nfl in interceptions.
I don't hate him. I don't want him gone either. But he's probably my least favorite player on the team....at least as far as starters go.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 06, 2010, 02:34:43 PM
I don't hate him. I don't want him gone either. But he's probably my least favorite player on the team....at least as far as starters go.
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you are picking the worst players that start not the most hated
i would agree that assante is probably the least likeable guy on the defense if not the team
STEWIE is def least likeable
You find Asante less likable than Fokou or Mikell? No one said anything about most hated.
Let's have a long conversation about your definition of likable.
i actually like mikell quite a bit....he stinks but hes a good leader a great team guy and i cant hate on him just because the front office has put nothing behind him
foku hardly even exists in my mind...certainly nothing to dislike about him
assante is a look test fail machine who couldnt give a flying farg about the team....i get the feeling that winning is far less important to him than intercepting
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2010, 03:45:42 PM
assante is a look test fail machine who couldnt give a flying farg about the team....i get the feeling that winning is far less important to him than intercepting
I could care less about the look test but totally agree on his attitude.
<racist>How can a homie with dreads fail the look test?</racist>
when he looks like an alien
vernon davis good dreads
assante samuel bad dreads
yeah, Sheldon Brown being traded was a great deal.
Lets just revisit that.
You're an elephant. Jeezus.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 06, 2010, 06:56:00 PM
yeah, Sheldon Brown being traded was a great deal.
Lets just revisit that.
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hit.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 09, 2010, 10:55:43 AM
hit.
in the back of the head and feel her sphincter tighten up as she loses conciousness
:-D
is that a bengals cheerleader?
If the Birds could pick up Haynesworth right now for a second would you guys do it?
if washington offered up a 2nd to take haynesworth I'd have to seriously think about it
Quote from: lurking wierdo on December 11, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
If the Birds could pick up Haynesworth right now for a second would you guys do it?
in a heartbeat
fargin a.
he'd be a perfect fit in the eagles scheme plus he'd instantly be an upgrade over patterson, dixon or bunkley.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on December 11, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
If the Birds could pick up Haynesworth right now for a second would you guys do it?
They'd be lucky to get a 5th for him
He's an unmotivated bum who I would want anywhere near this team.
I'm sure Sean Mcdermott could win a battle of wills with him.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 11, 2010, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: lurking wierdo on December 11, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
If the Birds could pick up Haynesworth right now for a second would you guys do it?
in a heartbeat
i dont know what more retarded here the question or the answer
I gave the first few people saying they'd take him for a 2nd the benefit of the doubt figuring they were being facetious.
I wouldn't part with any pick for Fat Albert, even if the Eagles had 4 7th rounders (which they probably will). Only way I'd take him is if he'd take a Vick like deal and be willing to work his way back to the top of his game like Vick. The chances of that happening are about as good as someone cleaning munsons rape basement.
yeh the second round pick part is the obvious lunacy...both in what the skins could get and in what the eagles would or should offer
but theres also the part about the trade dedline being past...and if the dope was talking about next year (and he definitely didnt) why even ask the question now
lets be honest...and this is just hypothetical....if the eagles were to get Haynesworth for a couple 5th or 6th rd bullshtein, I dont see the problem.
the guy is a scumbag for taking the $21 million bonus and then not playing his ass off just because he felt lied to and they made a switch to a 3-4 , but if he gets a couple of hugs and back to a base 4-3 hes still one of the best d-lineman in the league that can get upfield. I dont know if anybody was paying attention to him when he played in all of his games (aside from him doing the worm on the grass), but he bulldozes through every guy that lines across from him with ease. It really is ridiculous how strong that guy is.
I would take that skill set right real quick, and if he decided to Hoyda-foot it--peace...thanks for your time.
lets be honest....no one cares
thats not very nice.
Let Dallas have him.
Can he play corner? I heard Asante is out.
Let's be honest....
Haynesworth is a bum and I'd rather have Mike Pitts back than him
Ha - Speaking of lunacy.
You'd be cool with that icehole on the team, Rome?
Cool? No. He is a farging beast when motivated and he'd definitely be motivated.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
You'd be cool with that icehole on the team, Rome?
We were cool with Ricky Watters. We were cool with TO. And prior to 2007, who here would have been cool with Vick? Hell, who was really cool with it when they signed him last year?
If Dubbya could cover linebackers, play the run and get after the QB, Rusty would take him.
Hey Phreak, if the Skins were gonna send one of their players to the Eagles for next season, would you rather it be Haynesworth or McNabb?
Got damn right. Preach. On. Sassy.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 11, 2010, 06:00:16 PM
Hey Phreak, if the Skins were gonna send one of their players to the Eagles for next season, would you rather it be Haynesworth or McNabb?
McNabb.
To back up Mike Vick.
Haynesworth is a jackoff and I want no part of his bullshtein
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 11, 2010, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
You'd be cool with that icehole on the team, Rome?
We were cool with Ricky Watters. We were cool with TO. And prior to 2007, who here would have been cool with Vick? Hell, who was really cool with it when they signed him last year?
If Dubbya could cover linebackers, play the run and get after the QB, Rusty would take him.
Watters and Owens weren't as awful and straight up lazy as Haynesworth.
Like Ryan and Kirwan said on Sirius this week; "that guy is worth nothing unless a contract is on the line"
You are seriously high.
So Kirwan and Ryan are high too?
this whole conversation is stupid beyond belief even for this board but j you do know that people on tv by and large dont know anything more than we do...especially when it comes to judging someones insides...its not like those dopes are breaking down film on haynesworth
i think j should just pet donovan's cock and get it over with
his love for him is just disgusting
You're one of those little yappy cartoon dogs that jumps around and fawns over the other dogs. The irony in your statement is simply wonderful.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2010, 10:44:14 PM
this whole conversation is stupid beyond belief even for this board but j you do know that people on tv by and large dont know anything more than we do...especially when it comes to judging someones insides...its not like those dopes are breaking down film on haynesworth
Actually, and I take it you don't listen to Ryan and Kirwan on Sirius, Ryan does break down film for his FOX TV work and Kirwan not only watches film he charts formations and his book is awesome.
So those are two media people who I listen to and take their words pretty solidly on how guys are playing. This isn't listening to Mark Eckel say something and parroting what he says.
Yeah, if there are two heads that break down film and no their shtein inside and out its Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan--both are nfl radio legends
For clarification's sake I'll say it like this:
1. Haynesworth is definitely a headache. There's no disputing that.
2. He's a headache now because of his ridiculous contract and because Washington is without a doubt the worst place in the world for him to play, especially considering he's useless in Shanahan's 3-4 system.
3. He's unequivocally better than any defensive tackle on the Eagles and if properly motivated he could be dominant in the system the Eagles employ. IF they can reach him somehow and get him to play up to the level of his talent, he could be devastating in the Eagles' defense.
A lot of "if's" admittedly, but then again, so was Mike Vick. IF the taterskins carried some of the water contract-wise and weren't looking for much in return, you're goddamn right I'd take a shot on him.
"if properly motivated" negates your entire argument. The guy is a piece of shtein, and he listens to noone.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2010, 10:44:14 PM
this whole conversation is stupid beyond belief even for this board but j you do know that people on tv by and large dont know anything more than we do...especially when it comes to judging someones insides...its not like those dopes are breaking down film on haynesworth
Actually, and I take it you don't listen to Ryan and Kirwan on Sirius, Ryan does break down film for his FOX TV work and Kirwan not only watches film he charts formations and his book is awesome.
So those are two media people who I listen to and take their words pretty solidly on how guys are playing. This isn't listening to Mark Eckel say something and parroting what he says.
yeah but they arent talking about how haynesworth is playing...they are hypotomizing on his mental state...we can all do that equally well
Igy, you are a moron. It was a purely hypothetical question. And for you to say it's stupid is a little hypocritical, you like or dislike players based on a "looks test". What are you a 13 year old girl?
the eagles are in the middle of the biggest playoff stretch run of their lives and you wanna talk about trading for haynesworth next spring?
stick to racism...sports aint your thang
No, I want to talk about who passes the looks test or who has better dreads. And, the Eagles are in a platoff run nearly every year since Reid has beeb here.
your look test pass = pasty and white
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 12, 2010, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2010, 10:44:14 PM
this whole conversation is stupid beyond belief even for this board but j you do know that people on tv by and large dont know anything more than we do...especially when it comes to judging someones insides...its not like those dopes are breaking down film on haynesworth
Actually, and I take it you don't listen to Ryan and Kirwan on Sirius, Ryan does break down film for his FOX TV work and Kirwan not only watches film he charts formations and his book is awesome.
So those are two media people who I listen to and take their words pretty solidly on how guys are playing. This isn't listening to Mark Eckel say something and parroting what he says.
yeah but they arent talking about how haynesworth is playing...they are hypotomizing on his mental state...we can all do that equally well
You know nobody can do it as well as you
this is true....i was telling people about mcnabbs innards at least five years ago and it all came true
trace my footprints in the sand and you will do well for yourself
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 12, 2010, 12:59:19 PM
this is true....i was telling people about mcnabbs innards at least five years ago and it all came true
trace my footprints in the sand and you will do well for yourself
One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with IGY.
Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
other times there were one set of footprints.
This bothered me because I noticed
that during periods of my life,
when I was suffering from
Blind homerism and a man crush on McNabb,
I could see only one set of footprints.
So I said to IGY,
"You promised IGY,
that if I followed you,
you would walk with me always.
But I have noticed that during
the most trying periods of my life
there have only been one
set of footprints in the sand.
Why, when I needed you most,
you have not been there for me?"
IGY replied,
"The times when you have
seen only one set of footprints,
is when I carried your sorry, McNabb lovin ass."
FAP
Spell it out.
farging Asinine Predictions?
Weekly Guarantees:
1. They won't stop a goddamn soul in the red zone
2. The opposing TE(s) will score and/or run freely all over the field
Quote from: rjs246 on December 03, 2010, 01:17:44 PM
It's the offense needs to outscore the other guy because your defense sucks balls defense. it's like watching a goddamned video game. If they don't get a takeaway you know the opposition is scoring.
Jamar Chaney is gonna ball.
One of my favorite draft picks
Him and Sims are faster than Mikell.
Juqua Parker is really good.
This team goes knowere in the playoffs with this D playing like it is now.
'scuse me.
Quote from: shorebird on December 12, 2010, 10:11:32 PM
This team goes knowere in the playoffs with this D playing like it is now.
:sly
Bradley's done for the year. Pretty sure Graham blew an ACL.
What's Trotter up to these days?
Depending on how severe it is, he might not be done for the year.
I'm not wild about Bradley's play this year or Graham's for that matter, but if both of them are lost for the year this defense is even more farged than it was before this game.
The potential playoff matchups are looking just brutal right now. God damn the NFC is stacked this year.
Graham only has a knee strain so that's good news.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 12, 2010, 11:47:24 PM
I'm not wild about Bradley's play this year
Bradley has been coming around and was playing well tonight.
Bradley has been fine in the run game and has been stronger with his tackling recently. But he was never all that fast and after the surgery he was even slower in the pass game which is part of the reason that this defense gets destroyed by the short passing game.
I think we're all going to like Cheney with a full week of practice with the 1st team. Guy is strong and fast and loves Jesus more than Tebow. Ok, maybe not more than Tebow.
Good job by the defense tonight. Got the stops when needed and once again forced turnovers. They played Dallas better than any team in the last 4 weeks.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 12, 2010, 11:55:56 PM
I think we're all going to like Cheney with a full week of practice with the 1st team. Guy is strong and fast and loves Jesus more than Tebow. Ok, maybe not more than Tebow.
He was getting bunched up and needs to learn to get out of those situations and into space. I liked the way he took control of the field, on a couple of plays he modified the defense when the offense shifted and made good calls.
Clayton sprained his knee too
Bradley and Clayton hurt
LB depth weak.
Gotta bring someone in.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 13, 2010, 12:02:45 AM
Clayton sprained his knee too
Bradley and Clayton hurt
LB depth weak.
Gotta bring someone in.
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Quote from: SD on December 13, 2010, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 13, 2010, 12:02:45 AM
Clayton sprained his knee too
Bradley and Clayton hurt
LB depth weak.
Gotta bring someone in.
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Yeah boy!
i'm sure two years older and away from the game has made him quicker
Seriously, I'd rather run Duce out there. But seriously, they'll probably just activate Gaither and possibly bring up Jeff Owens (DT) from the practice squad. I don't think that there's anyone on the street at this point that would help, especially Trotter.
bullett adams > axe man
SunMo > Trotter
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 13, 2010, 10:04:04 AM
SunMo > Trotter
he will also show you the time of your life in nyc
So, apparently Chaney had already been taking first-team reps this past week and was going to be "spelling" Bradley from time to time regardless. I guess it's a good thing that he got a head start.
It's Chaney's job and I'm thinking that he will do well. They won't IR Stew, it seems. But they should cut that bum Calvin and sign a depth LB
I know he's not a Mike but isn't Adalius Thomas still out there?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 13, 2010, 10:24:42 AM
It's Chaney's job and I'm thinking that he will do well. They won't IR Stew, it seems. But they should cut that bum Calvin and sign a depth LB
I farging hate Calvin
They've been holding on to him to show the NFL that they weren't making a shady trade to save a hundred k in salary. Point proven, feel free to let him go.
So, the guy has been unremarkable on returns this year but generally sure-handed and has broken some big ones. Hell, Pimp hasn't really had a good return this year.
Jorrick makes one boneheaded play which ultimately didn't cost the team anything, and you're all calling for his release? Are you all racist against a homeskillet with dreads or something? Would you rather have Reno Mahe or Greg Lewis back there? Shut the farg up.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 13, 2010, 12:41:42 PM
So, the guy has been unremarkable on returns this year but generally sure-handed and has broken some big ones. Hell, Pimp hasn't really had a good return this year.
Jorrick makes one boneheaded play which ultimately didn't cost the team anything, and you're all calling for his release? Are you all racist against a homeskillet with dreads or something? Would you rather have Reno Mahe or Greg Lewis back there? Shut the farg up.
i would have cut him after the tennessee game
AWESOME THIRD DOWN DEFENSE TODAY GUYS!
They're zesty...
Nice to see Fokou filling Bradley's job of slowly chasing the opposing TE.
Joe Webb, son. A WR coming into camp this year... Why even bother to send the defense out there??
The defensive personnel are just awful. They were already green to start the season and since then they've been decimated by injuries. I'm skeptical of McDermott but I don't know that Buddy would have known what to do with this crew.
Good point. This team is going no where with this defense.
Jim Johnson's corpse would do a better job then the joke of a "coach" we have now.
McDermott is horrendus. I'm not saying there's a whole lot of talent on the D but there should be enough to be average. They're bottom 10 right now regardless of what any stats say.
they are starting 2 different 7th round picks. and how is juqua parker still in the league? wasnt he old like 5 years ago? i thought for the longest time him and darwin walker were the same person.
SD said it on the Defense thread, this was Parkers worse game ever. He looked like he was going half speed all game.
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2010, 12:35:06 AM
McDermott is horrendus. I'm not saying there's a whole lot of talent on the D but there should be enough to be average. They're bottom 10 right now regardless of what any stats say.
there really isnt...im not trying to defend mcdermott because ill be honest i really dont know how good a coordinator he is....but i do know that the defense has at least bottom ten talent....if not worse
kurt coleman is a complete travesty....the fact that he is their 3rd safety says all you need to know about the talent level on the d....his refusal to hold the edge and the angle he took on the late ap run was a cuttable offense
Yeah, but how many long runs did he save when he slowed or took AP down.
none
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 01:32:07 AM
im not trying to defend mcdermott because ill be honest i really dont know how good a coordinator he is....
Yeah... he's farging awful. They need a new D coordinator next year (and some new personnel all over the place). They aren't winning shtein with this defense, especially with McDermott's head up his ass.
what has he done thats makes him awful....im not trying to be smart...im honestly asking because i dont see anything scheme wise that is so terrible (or so good)...what i see is a severe lack of talent at almost every position
His schemes are bad for the teams/ offenses he faces. He has no idea how to adjust and when he does it's too late. The blitzes are ultra transparent (giving the line & qb time to pick them up and hit hot reads or shift protection). He keeps the corners playing 5-10 yards off the receivers almost the entire game (still don't understand that). He doesn't double up the problematic WRs enough if at all...
Honestly, he's just not very good right now. He lucked into the job in the worst possible way and he's being exposed on a regular basis. I've literally lost count of the length of the field scoring drives the other teams have gotten this year. The Red Zone D doesn't even exist. It's like once the other team passes mid-field McDermott has no idea what to do scheme wise and goes into a coaching shell.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 02:14:14 AM
...what i see is a severe lack of talent at almost every position
Yep. There's only two guys (Cole and Asante, maybe 3, up for debate who the 3rd is) that would be starting on almost any team. Everyone else is a filler or hole. Almost every starter could be considered serviceable or good enough, but when the ENTIRE defense is filled with dudes who would be grabbin bench on most teams... no.
That and combine a defensive coordinator who apparently doesn't do a good job (I don't really know either), you'll be giving up crucial TD drives to Joe Webb.
Quote from: TexasEagle on December 29, 2010, 02:20:19 AM
His schemes are bad for the teams/ offenses he faces. He has no idea how to adjust and when he does it's too late. The blitzes are ultra transparent (giving the line & qb time to pick them up and hit hot reads or shift protection). He keeps the corners playing 5-10 yards off the receivers almost the entire game (still don't understand that). He doesn't double up the problematic WRs enough if at all...
Honestly, he's just not very good right now. He lucked into the job in the worst possible way and he's being exposed on a regular basis. I've literally lost count of the length of the field scoring drives the other teams have gotten this year. The Red Zone D doesn't even exist. It's like once the other team passes mid-field McDermott has no idea what to do scheme wise and goes into a coaching shell.
his blitz packages are almost identical to jim johnsons....i disagree about the corners...they play press coverage a decent amount of the time...i think you may be sullied by patterson last week against the giants
everything else you mention is a result of having horrible players
really i dont even wanna argue this because mcdermott might be an atrocious dc....im just of the opinion that buddy ryan couldnt get these guys to stop anyone...thats how bad they are
Oh yeah, no doubt there's a serious dearth of talent on the Defensive side of the ball. It's only gotten worse with all of the injuries. But every team has injuries. The main issue I've seen all year is the schemes don't mesh with who they're playing. There's way too many drive down the field and score possessions by opposing teams. And they actually don't play a lot of press coverage. They're usually 5-10 yards back and backpeddling at the snap. Even on short down and distances. It's kind of annoying to watch actually.
Isn't this some were around the 4th time in the last 5 games that Samuel has been flagged for a helmet to helmet hit? When is the NFL gonna' start suspending players? They get all up in the air saying that fines will be followed by suspensions and then do nothing. They want 18 games but say they want to protect the players. Hypocrites worried about the God almighty dollar bill and thats it.
I am so sick of McDermont. Did we even interview any other D coordinators after JJ passed? This guy is a joke.
Quote from: mussa on December 29, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
I am so sick of McDermont. Did we even interview any other D coordinators after JJ passed? This guy is a joke.
buddy ryan couldnt get this defense to play...its filled with a bunch of late round picks and udfa's
Yes every aspect of this defense is a joke right now with the exception of Samuel and killa, but with all the injuries and patchwork lineup the greatest defensive mind couldn't fix this.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 02:30:49 PM
Quote from: mussa on December 29, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
I am so sick of McDermont. Did we even interview any other D coordinators after JJ passed? This guy is a joke.
buddy ryan couldnt get this defense to play...its filled with a bunch of late round picks and udfa's
It is really amazing just how bland this defense is. Not a real "athlete" or playmaker anywhere other than Killa and Samuel. Just a bunch of guys who need to play their absolute best every freaking week just to avoid embarassment and becoming a complete and total liability.
I think all the time that as zesty as this defense has been... how much worse it would be if they hadn't found Killa (in the 5th round). He's the only guy aong the line that even seems interested in rushing the passer.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 29, 2010, 02:57:05 PM
Just a bunch of guys who need to play their absolute best every freaking week just to avoid embarassment and becoming a complete and total liability.
this pretty much sums it up...my favorite thing is when a guy like dixon unseats bunkley its seen as a good thing and people are like what a find this kid dixon is...when in reality he only looks good because bunkley is so average...and i cringe when i see people like juqua parker have a 6-8 sack season...all it does is give coaches and fans a false sense of security and a reason not to look at a certain spot as an upgrade need
They did try to upgrade Parker by drafting Graham and I'm pretty sure they were #2 on Peppers wish list if he didn't sigh with the Bears.
They need a new defensive philosophy. I know Reid was blown away by JJ when he was a coordinator and that's why he hired him. But he knew how to scheme to maximize his personnel regardless of how poor they were. Mcdermott adds wrinkles to a D that has no base. Stop with the quick hands get rid of blockers defensive lineman mentality and get a physical specimen who is a beast. Same with their LBs, stop getting these small quick guys who can't shed blocks, get big physical guys with athletic ability. Also, have they ever had a 'project' defensive guy whose worked out? I'm sick of them getting guys like McCoy/Gocong/Teo and acting like they got some sort of steal.
they drafted graham because parkers old not because hes average...hes been on the team forever
For all the yawns Parker inspires, he is consistently productive. The D-Line isn't the problem to me, or not the biggest problem anyway. LB, S and CB all blow.
You're forgetting about Dimitri Patterson.
He's the second best CB in the league, obviously.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2010, 03:52:00 PM
For all the yawns Parker inspires, he is consistently productive.
he doesnt disrupt at all...in his eight years or whatever i cant really remember him getting the edge on a OT...or causing a fumble...his sacks are all coverage or hustle sacks...and usually in between his sacks hes completely invisible...he has value but he should not be starting for this length time for anyone if at all
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2010, 03:52:00 PM
For all the yawns Parker inspires, he is consistently productive. The D-Line isn't the problem to me, or not the biggest problem anyway. LB, S and CB all blow.
My list in order:
Cornerback
Tall rangy DE who can rush the passer and play the run
Strong Safety
LBs
All around depth
so you're ok with the DT's ?
They're fine. They've been stout against the run all season (Peterson got squat up the middle last night) and get the occasional sack. Don't get me wrong I'd love to have a beast like Suh but what they have is good for now.
Other than Killa & Samuel there isn't a single defensive starter I wouldn't kick to the curb.
Wasn't it Samuel who let Webb stroll right by him into the EZ?
This defense certainly looks like half of them were drafted in or after the 6th round, if at all.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 29, 2010, 07:33:24 PM
Wasn't it Samuel who let Webb stroll right by him into the EZ?
He was blocked, the other two (I think it was Parker and Fokou) got juked bad
I still have visions of Foku and Parker doing their best Skipper and Gilligan impersonation on Webb's TD run.
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2010, 04:14:32 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2010, 03:52:00 PM
For all the yawns Parker inspires, he is consistently productive. The D-Line isn't the problem to me, or not the biggest problem anyway. LB, S and CB all blow.
My list in order:
Cornerback
Tall rangy DE who can rush the passer and play the run
Strong Safety
LBs
All around depth
I'd like to add John Fox for d-coordinator after the Panthers let him go
It's not the coaching. The players either suck or are middling. You can get away with a few lousy players but not farging 9 out of 11.
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2010, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 29, 2010, 07:33:24 PM
Wasn't it Samuel who let Webb stroll right by him into the EZ?
He was blocked, the other two (I think it was Parker and Fokou) got juked bad
They showed the Webb scramble TD this morning on sportsrise, Fokou got juked out of his shorts and Coleman came in late and missed just as bad. These guys don't square their bodies up to make a tackle for shtein.
Quote from: Rome on December 30, 2010, 07:20:00 AM
It's not the coaching. The players either suck or are middling. You can get away with a few lousy players but not farging 9 out of 11.
I think it's both. Overall they need a new defensive philosophy...whether the DC is Fox/Singletary or whoever.
Quote from: SD on December 30, 2010, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Rome on December 30, 2010, 07:20:00 AM
It's not the coaching. The players either suck or are middling. You can get away with a few lousy players but not farging 9 out of 11.
I think it's both. Overall they need a new defensive philosophy...whether the DC is Fox/Singletary or whoever.
true and i still think an upgrade at DT is needed along with other things. sure they were good against the run but when have you seen any kind of real push by the DT's in the passing game. the qb just steps up in the pocket as the DE's fly by. the eagles need some kind of push in the middle. plus some better lb's. and a safety, and a cb. :-\
bottom line is the eagles are running JJ's scheme with 1/4 the talent he had to work with but i wouldn't mind upgrading at DC. you just hope allen and graham come back ready to roll and the eagles do some good drafting on the defensive side of the ball.
Quote from: SD on December 30, 2010, 09:50:58 AM
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2010, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 29, 2010, 07:33:24 PM
Wasn't it Samuel who let Webb stroll right by him into the EZ?
He was blocked, the other two (I think it was Parker and Fokou) got juked bad
They showed the Webb scramble TD this morning on sportsrise, Fokou got juked out of his shorts and Coleman came in late and missed just as bad. These guys don't square their bodies up to make a tackle for shtein.
So it was just Samuel who taught Fokou and Coleman how to tackle
As Samuel's bank account shows, he's actually made a tackle or two.
If Samuel got paid by the tackle he'd be shopping for clothes at kmart
Luckily he's paid by the interception and doesn't have to share a cart with Koy.
I love the idea of Fox as DC.
Fox has always been a thorn in Andy's side. Singletary is also intriguing. I would like him better if he played 46.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on December 30, 2010, 11:20:50 PM
Fox has always been a thorn in Andy's side.
he has?
why?
because of one nfc championship game?
He gameplanned them pretty well when he was Giants DC
didnt he leave the giants in 2002....the most he could have faced reid was four times...not counting 99 whent he eagles had doug pederson
and i dont know the exact record but i know reid has basically dominated him since hes been in carolina
either way i certainly wouldnt say john foc has been thorn in andy reids side
hes just like any other coach
like its not a spagnola jim johnson thing i dont think
he had andy's number in 2000 when the giants beat him 3 times and in the nfc title game
other than that im not even sure the eagles lost to him
though you could even argue he had mcnabbs number cause he was simply atrocious in everyone of those games
Fire McDermott.
Can't stop 3rd down. Can't defense the red zone. Can't get to the QB with or without the blitz.
Get out!
I've been on board with firing McDermott since the end of last season.
The defensive scheme and philosophy needs a complete overhaul.
They get worse play by play, game by game, year by farging year. They literally take the enjoyment out of a game. I HATE seeing them on the field.
They're really a recipe for disaster.
McDermott's schemes are horrid, when you see players WIDE open that's not the talent on the field, it's the coaching. Combine that with how bad they are at tackling and the lack of any pass rush and I'm surprised the Eagles are only down by 11.
I hope Sims never plays another down in an Eagles uniform. Horrible.
It's way too easy. I mean, they give up yards on plays that should be stopped cold.
Awful.
Nut the farg up, iceholes.
A farging bunch of non-athletic scrubs who would never see the farging light of day on another NFL roster...yet all fatass wants to tell me is how farging confident he is with them. farg CONFIDENCE!!! Draft/Trade/Sign some motherfarging playmakers, fire your farging nephew, and get a D-coordinator who can do something with them!
Packers are:
Averaging 4.8 ypc
5/6 on 3rd down (about to be 6/7)
2/2 in redzone
Can someone explain to me WHY Mcdermott laid off the blitz? They were getting pressure on Rodgers and playing man which was at the very least slowing down the Packers offense. Then he goes back to zone and the Packers are running all over the place.
Way to make a stop.
They're a farging embarrassment.
Sucks and sucks hard!
As of this post
James Starks has 22-122
James Starks.
And they're running and the Eagles know it and let him drag guys down the field.
Fire him.
Can't wait for the Jauron era!
The Dick Era.
Neato.
"@wingoz: eagles had the worst red zone defense in the regular season..allowing a either a fg or td in 42-43 trips. sunday.. packers 3 trips.. 3 tds"
Jauron would be swell, because he's done such a great job as the Dbacks coach and was an awesome HC.
Asomugha alertQuoteAsomugha didn't reach certain incentives this season, voiding the last year of a three-year, $45.3 million contract and making the three-time Pro Bowl cornerback an unrestricted free agent. - La Canfora
I'd get him in a second. Eagles would too if he wasn't going to be 30 next season. They still might make an exception and take a run at him though, I'm sure Andy loves him some Nnamdi. He was rumored to be in a McNabb to Oakland trade along with Samuel.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2011, 07:43:08 PM
Fire him.
it absolutely amazes me how eagles fans have no idea who plays for this defense....btwn thinking they would win this game and mcdermott being the problem i have to question what planet you are all living on
J still feels like a spurned lover when 5 packed his shtein and left the house
hes like a 45 year old woman with 2 kids and no man and no prospects downing a carton of ben and jerrys and watching lifetime movies....NOT GOOD
i dont even like mcdermott...and if he died tonight id feel slightly giddy....but to even remotely blame the defense on him is so naive....farging look at the talent people
Wow that's pretty sick. Slightly giddy? You're a douche.
Agreed the talent sucks, but why is the talent so much worse in the red zone than on the rest of the field?
is the same eagle defense that allows teams in the red zone all the time the same one that allows them to score?
The Michael Havas thought process=
Michael Vick: Stop making excuses for him!
Sean McDermott: It's not him! It's the talent!
Johnson religiously played his secondary 5 yds deep in the endzone. Is Jauron/McDermott plaing shallower or deeper?
And, why is the talent so bad? Couldn't have anything to do with the coaching could it?
yeah all moises foku - ernie sims - joselio hanson - dmitri patterson - kurt coleman - quinton mikell - juqua parker and jamar chaney need is to be coached up a little
igy..McDermott sucks AND they need better talent. But even if they got better players the scheme and him would still suck ass.
He deserves to be fired.
you me and everyone else has no idea if this scheme would work with good players
if they even had average talent and the defense was horrific i might agree with you but the talent level is lower than low...to the point where coaching scheming game planning ect.... just doesnt matter
quick side question:
where is trent cole? i thought he was supposed to be good.
trent cole is the andre iguodala of football players
i think its at least once per day someone on here claims if they get a great DE to go with cole this team will be unstoppable
as if trent cole is reggie white or something
New DC.
Start with that. Let's see what happens.
The whole pass rush went missing around midseason, after a solid first half.
Cole was still getting a lot more pressure than anyone else, but only cause everyone else's play dropped off too. And Cole is good overall, but even when he's on a hot streak he's not that elite level guy who strikes fear into a defense. He's just not a liability like the other guys.
The Eagles made a big bet on Graham being the guy. Unless they luck out on a middle-round draft pick, anyone else they get is probably just going to be another rotational DE, like the 100 other guys who have cycled through over the past few years.
How is he not at fault?? How about that third down when it was clear no one was covering the slot receiver... followed by Rodgers hitting the slot receiver for a 10 yard gain and first down...
Or how about having the most predictable blitzing schemes ever... everyone and their mother knows when a linebacker/safety/etc are blitzing
Fire the loser.
The primary reason I want to see a new DC, if we're ignoring how awful this defense played this year, is I want to see a new philosophy towards the players they draft. No more scrappy little guys. No more seventh round starters. No more guys playing positions they can't actually play.
I think McDermott was the right guy under the circumstances 09. He is actuall good at using Johnson's schemes. But that's the problem. You need to keep innovating and evolving. The 5 year old scheme is old hat to the league now. Those old revolutionary blitzes are no longer surprising anyone. We really need an innovator, McDermott obviously isn't the answer.
I'm trying to see how IGY blames the talent for scheming a play where Darryl Tapp covers Donald Driver on a 3rd and 10.
Well, obviously, if Tapp were any good he'd be able to cover a receiver.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
yeah all moises foku - ernie sims - joselio hanson - dmitri patterson - kurt coleman - quinton mikell - juqua parker and jamar chaney need is to be coached up a little
So, the D would be just the same under Belichick
The zone blitzes drive me farging insane. How many times do we have to see Cole, Juqua, etc. drop back in coverage while a DB blitzes and gets picked up without a problem? Can not stand that shtein. None of the DBs are even good blitzers. Hanson's solid, Nate Allen was before he got hurt. Stop sending Dimitri fargin Patterson on a blitz. On a team with little pass rush, why keep dropping your best pass rushers in coverage? Makes no sense. None.
All I'm saying is that if they fire McDermott, Jauron is the most likely candidate to fill the spot.
enough with all this talent garbage...please? is it one aspect...sure...but wake up.
unless you were farging blind, you would of missed the wide open receivers when mcdermott "tried" to blitz or you would of missed when it was 3rd and 8 or even 3rd and 10 and mcdermott didnt blitz at all. guys in the wrong spots, dropping random guys into coverage or no guys there at all. GB brings in the same running player personnel into the huddle pretty much the whole game, and you cant adjust bringing guys up closer to the line of scrimmage means youre out of your league. when you are in the red zone--the shortest and tightest position on the field---scheme is everything. bottom line the guy failed miserably last night...miserably.
also...when you have the 26th ranked pass defense in the league, and you are able to scheme against drew brees and the saints receivers after you got torched by them for almost 400 yards in the air the previous game-- who do you think is getting credit for that win? thats right--the d coordinator, not the talent on the field.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on January 10, 2011, 12:39:46 AM
I think McDermott was the right guy under the circumstances 09. He is actuall good at using Johnson's schemes. But that's the problem. You need to keep innovating and evolving. The 5 year old scheme is old hat to the league now. Those old revolutionary blitzes are no longer surprising anyone. We really need an innovator, McDermott obviously isn't the answer.
I actually agree with wierdo here. The defense is predicable and I'm tired of these small quick guys who can't play worth a damn.
And McDermott IS to blame. Bad Redzone defense is all about the defensive coordinator. You're playing on a shortened field where you can bring your d backs up and get creative, so what's he do? zone. The scheme is old and tiresome. A perfect example was what he did last night. He started to put pressure on Rodgers and had the DBs playing man coverage...it was working. Then he backed off and Rodgers drove the ball down the field. He's too scared to get beat deep. It's a bend but don't break defense which is fine as long as the D is only giving up field goals and not TDs. I will give Mcdermott this he is decent at making half time adjustments.
And the D coordinator is responsible for letting defensive talent stay or go, so is it a coincidence that guys like Babin and Clemons are playing so well?
The D tightened up enough to give the team a chance yesterday, but that doesn't erase a season of failures.
Only glaring hole was and is CB. Some of the young guys, most notably Chaney, were actually better than the injured players they took over for. Even with meriocre talent, the D still wasn't even average.
I realize it's GCobb but he makes some valid points:
http://www.gcobb.com/2011/01/10/eagles-are-concerned-about-their-defensive-schemes/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
QuoteEagles Are Concerned About Their Defensive Schemes
The Eagles defense continued their pathetic play inside the red zone, yesterday against the Green Bay Packers. Aaron Rodgers and the Pack entered the Birds red zone three times and three times they reached paydirt.
It proved to be the difference in the game, because the Eagles got inside the Packers red zone three times and scored just one touchdown on those trips. They kicked one field goal, missed another and scored a touchdown on Michael Vick's quarterback sneak.
The problems in the red zone have the Eagles front office concerned about defensive coordinator Sean McDermott. During the season, opposing teams got into the end zone at a 77% rate, which is the worst an NFL defense has done in that category in nearly three decades. I learned that the Eagles feel McDermott has made the team's defensive system too complicated and gimmicky.
There's concerned that too many times during the season, he has had the team's defensive ends playing pass defense. Earlier in the week, defensive end Trent Cole pointed a finger at the coaches and the scheme. Someone asked him if he was wearing down during the season because he hadn't come down any sacks in a good while. Cole said he was fine, but added he was just doing what the coaches wanted him to do.
They also feel McDermott has made the Eagles secondary coverages too complicated, so young defensive backs have trouble playing in his system. There's concern that a talented player like rookie cornerback Trevard Lindley wasn't able to play because of the complexity of the system.
I was told that defensive line coach, Rory Segrest won't benefit from the fact that Eagles castoffs, Jason Babin and Chris Clemons both tallied more sacks in the season than any of the Eagles defensive linemen. Babin is headed to the Pro Bowl after coming down with 13 sacks for the Tennessee Titans. Clemons is still in the playoffs with the Seattle Seahawks after leading them in quarterback sacks with 11.
There's concern that Segrest isn't a top quality coach, so he may not be the guy to get the best out of the talent they have drafted.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 10, 2011, 02:05:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
yeah all moises foku - ernie sims - joselio hanson - dmitri patterson - kurt coleman - quinton mikell - juqua parker and jamar chaney need is to be coached up a little
So, the D would be just the same under Belichick
it would probably be better but it would still suck...the lack of talent on that side of the ball is appalling....even the spots where it doesnt suck....the defensive tackles for example...its still painfully average...with the exception of assante theres just no one on the field who can consistently make plays
I don't even know where this team could or should start with rebuilding the defense. There's a lack of talent everywhere. The scheme sucks. It's pretty disgusting all around.
They have precisely two starters who are legitimate NFL starters. The rest are either mediocre or career backups. Unless they drastically upgrade the talent on that side of the ball, it wouldn't matter if Vince Lombardi clawed his way out of his grave and coached them.
Not that McDermott is the answer either, but the drastic talent deficit is the real problem there.
The defense is as predictable as the offense. It's a sad.
Pretty sure McDermott isn't going anywhere and Roseman won't be blamed for giving him garbage to work with. F'ing dick move by Andy to call out Akers in the postgame conference when he's been with him since the beginning, but when questioned about the defense, he says he needs to evaluate the film first? Gimme a break. You know your defense has sucked ass for 2 years. F'ing do something about it...
no d coach in the league performs that poorly from a stat perspective and keeps his job except mcdermott.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 10, 2011, 11:36:22 AM
Pretty sure McDermott isn't going anywhere and Roseman won't be blamed for giving him garbage to work with. F'ing dick move by Andy to call out Akers in the postgame conference when he's been with him since the beginning, but when questioned about the defense, he says he needs to evaluate the film first? Gimme a break. You know your defense has sucked ass for 2 years. F'ing do something about it...
yeah!.....get em easy
Quote from: reese125 on January 10, 2011, 11:41:06 AM
no d coach in the league performs that poorly from a stat perspective and keeps his job except mcdermott.
No kidding...did the Texans even wait until the end of the season to fire theirs?
Reid said McDermott will be back.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2011, 07:03:58 PM
Reid said McDermott will be back.
Between this and AQ Shipley, I'm already pumped for next season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2011, 07:03:58 PM
Reid said McDermott will be back.
Of course he did. Reid is nothing if not consistent in his foolishness.
farg Sean McDermott and his useless schemes and farg Andy Reid for bringing the worthless icehole back.
Idiots.
i'm not saying i'm a fan of terrorists.. but if they were to hit.. i might be ok with it if it was the nova care complex.
jim johnson's defenses were less and less effective from 2004 on as they started to lose the good players they had. this is just a continuation of the trend with awful personnel decisions helping it along.
I don't really think we can take Andy Reid at his word on this one. This is mister Donoan McNabb is my quarterback, after all.
I'm certainly not suggesting that McDermott is gone and Andy is just being coy, but we're about 25 hours removed from the end of the season. No chance Reid is telling the world he's firing his DC immediately after a playoff loss.
the players that ray rhodes drafted
besides sheldon, lito and i suppose trent cole andy's not exactly looking good
Quote from: MDS on January 10, 2011, 08:45:11 PM
the players that ray rhodes drafted
besides sheldon, lito and i suppose trent cole andy's not exactly looking good
Raheem Brock.
corey simon was good for a few years.
they are just so incredibly unathletic. it doesn't matter what blitzes they call because foku, sims, jorday, mikell, allen bradely aren't quick enough or fast enough to get there..
at least trotter could blow up the a-gap, dawk was a farging animal blitzing. sheldon, lito, troy and bobby were all great blitzing corners. they are just boring vanilla slugs.
They need a new defensive philosophy
For instance, instead of getting D lineman who can shoot gaps and use their hands to get away from defenders why not get some big stout motherfargers who can stand up to the O-line. Same with the LBs. The front 7 should be physical and stout, not quick guys who can't read an offense and take zesty angles. At least if you're physical shtein happens.
that's not mcdermitt...that's reid
in 12 years andy hasnt invested in anything resembling a linebacker
he inherited trotter and sent him packing when he asked for money. then trotter came crawling back and kissed the ring and thats when they went to the super bowl....of course it took trotter 7 weeks to unseat mark farging simoneau as the starter and in the first handful of weeks he was on special teams
maddening beyond belief
At least they had Carlos Emmons for a couple years.
of course, seeing what happens when they do actually invest in a de doesn't really make me angry that they don't take linebackers high
love to know where trent cole went yesterday. boy got a free pass in all this.
not a good sign with him wearing down like that for the future--esp supposedly healthy. I dont care if you have 9 sacks in the first 11, bring it when it counts.
Cole wears down during the stretch every season. That's why they need bigger bodies and not these quick small guys who aren't physical and can't shed a block without speed.
Quote"I thought we had a chance a couple of times on third down to get off the field, and we didn't for multiple reasons," McDermott said. "They made plays. You gotta give them credit. They're a great offense and they made plays."
Listen, shut up.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 11, 2011, 03:04:36 AM
Quote"I thought we had a chance a couple of times on third down to get off the field, and we didn't for multiple reasons," McDermott said. "They made plays. You gotta give them credit. They're a great offense and they made plays."
Listen, shut up.
that's some pretty damning evidence of a loser mentality
Quote"[Rodgers] made some plays checking down a few times," McDermott said. "He's a Pro Bowl quarterback. He's gonna make some plays. We knew that. We contained him pretty much most of the game."
Allrighty.
Fire the loser.
Quote from: SD on January 10, 2011, 11:37:17 PM
Cole wears down during the stretch every season. That's why they need bigger bodies and not these quick small guys who aren't physical and can't shed a block without speed.
i think killa has one playoff sack in his life
Quote from: Don Ho on January 11, 2011, 03:54:48 AM
Quote"[Rodgers] made some plays checking down a few times," McDermott said. "He's a Pro Bowl quarterback. He's gonna make some plays. We knew that. We contained him pretty much most of the game."
Allrighty.
Wow, what a crock of shtein. If they go into next season with this guy... The defense actually got worse from last year.
They were constantly checking down to the backs all game long, hello!
What's the word on Bruce Carter the OLB from UNC? Wasn't this guy a freak? I swear I heard he just had surgery on his ACL.
Jauron is being named as a potential DC in CLE.
Fine by me. Why do people seem to think there's something so great about this guy? Because they recognize his name? He had one good year out of about 10 as a HC, everything else was a losing season. The DBs have sucked for 2 years.
yeah, that has nothing to do with the actual talent of the dbs. Dimitri Patterson could be Deion Sanders if not for Dick Jauron holding him back
im still waiting for mcdermott to unleash moises fokou
I'm still waiting for Jauron the bitch slap Samuel who has a ton of talent but is afraid of his own shadow other then the occasional helmet to helmet hit. If those secondary guys had to play under Belichick's staff and they would be 100% better. At least they'd know where to be. HOF McDermott, yay. Looking forward to the return of Graham, maybe let him play some DB since he did during this past season with awesome zone dog blitzes.
samuel was the exact same guy in new england....which is probably why bb let him go...eagles knew exactly what they were getting with him and were willing to sleep with the devil in order to get eight or nine intereptions a year
No way Samuel was the exact same way in NE. He didn't whiff right and left and sometimes not even attempt to tackle. I think him being the highest paid DB in the league is probably why NE let him go.
No, I'm pretty sure it's more about Belichick not wanting divas on the team.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 15, 2011, 01:43:38 AM
No, I'm pretty sure it's more about Belichick not wanting divas on the team.
If it was just that they wouldn't have franchise tagged him the year before.
So now we're complaining about the best player on the defense? Shut up, idiots.
Yeah really
yeah Samuel isnt the best tackler, whatever. The guy is one of only playmakers on the defense and he can lay down some huge hits. You want Patterson and Hanson back there starting? There are 64 starting CB's in the NFL and only a handful are great tacklers and great playmakers, as for the rest of them just hope you can get one or the other...
The whole point was whether the problems were just because of a lack of player talent or was it also on the coaches. JJ was able to maintain a very solid secondary for the better part of 10 years, it can be done. I say obviously both players and coaches could have done a much better job. Their tackling toward the end of the year was atrocious, McDermott got schooled byMcCarthy and the D played with no heart.
Imagine for a second how much better Asante would be if his teammates got any sustained pressure on the opposing QB.
Quote from: Rome on January 15, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
Imagine for a second how much better Asante would be if his teammates got any sustained pressure on the opposing QB.
As much as I dog on Asante, this is a legit point.
I think Samuel has the most pics over the last 5 years of any CB in NFL history (over a 5 yr history). No doubt he's a ball hawk and would get more pics and pds with even a marginally better rush that could get some pressure. The more important point is if they can find a way to get pressure from the front 4, then maybe we'll see as many turnovers without as much risk/reward and giving up so many TDs.
Quote from: Rome on January 15, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
Imagine for a second how much better Asante would be if his teammates got any sustained pressure on the opposing QB.
imagine how much better hed be if he cared about anything in the world a much as he cares about himself
You're ridiculous. In one breath you complain about a lack of Playmakers and in the next you complain about their only one.
why cant he be a playmaker and a complete insubordinate dickhead?
didnt know those two were mutually exclusive
lol wut
he does what he wants to do when he wants to do it...doesnt participate in sideline meetings doesnt listen to coaches...just sits off wr's and trys to jump routes...he does that wonderfully well but if hes asked to switch up for a minute and press his man or sit in a two deep and be accountable for a part of the field he will be like farg you
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
Titans DL coach Jim Washburn, who is damn good, is interviewing for the same job here.
That would be a huge get imo.
Not wise to fill the DL coach job before the DC job.
Meh, its not quite like hiring an OC before a coach. I will give Andy some credit for the most part he knows how to assemble a staff.
Yeah, he proved that with Segrest and McDermott?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2011, 10:07:31 PM
Yeah, he proved that with Segrest and McDermott?
Hence for the most part
http://www.csnphilly.com/01/20/11/Babin-could-be-interested-in-return-to-E/landing.html?blockID=394659&feedID=692
If he does come back.. 3 sacks, tops.
good...then they can fire washburn.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 20, 2011, 11:05:06 AM
If he does come back.. 3 sacks, tops.
ha...i was literally thinking this exact thing...cept i had it at 2.5
Let's say he does return: who gets more sacks, him or Graham?
Babin
ACL tears are no joke and it's sad to say but I think Graham is another Mcdougle, an undersized guy with injuries.
he very well could....especially for the fact that he has to put so much torque on that right knee getting down low and turning the corner like that
might of been better if it was on the left
QuoteThe Eagles could certainly use a motivated, consistent pass rusher. They got just 12 sacks from their defensive ends in the last 11 games of the season, none in the playoff loss to the Packers.
Says it all.
It's hard for a defensive end to get a sack when he's "covering" a running back in a pass pattern 20 yards down the field.
Quote from: SD on January 20, 2011, 11:20:30 AM
Babin
ACL tears are no joke and it's sad to say but I think Graham is another Mcdougle, an undersized guy with injuries.
yup...its sickening that him and allen both blew out knees this year
I was talking to my buddy last night about the d and he brought up an interesting point. Aaron Rogers absolutely destroyed the Falcons defense but barely squeaked out a win against ours. Taken in that context, maybe the Eagles D really isn't as awful as I think it is? He suggested that I wasn't looking at it without the usual rage and bias that comes with being an Eagles fan. I did say farg you which made me feel better.
he had a great game against the eagles in the wind and cold and an other worldly game against atlanta with half packer fans in a dome
i wouldnt feel better about it...you cant look at things in a vaccum like that...every game is different...he also torched the giants but i wouldnt say the eagles d is better than new yorks
they also ran for 140 yards against the birds...he didnt need to do as much
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2011, 01:15:13 PM
I was talking to my buddy last night about the d and he brought up an interesting point. Aaron Rogers absolutely destroyed the Falcons defense but barely squeaked out a win against ours. Taken in that context, maybe the Eagles D really isn't as awful as I think it is? He suggested that I wasn't looking at it without the usual rage and bias that comes with being an Eagles fan. I did say farg you which made me feel better.
Or, the Packers put together a gameplan that emphasized running the ball more than they had all year so that they could control the clock and keep Vick and the offense off the field. Even their passing game was mostly quick passes to TE and RB's picking up 5 or 6 yds at a time. Rogers had 180 yds passing and only 73 of them went to WR and 107 went to the backs and tight ends. That's not an accident imo and it's not due to stellar defense by the Eagles secondary. That was the plan.
Telling your friend to farg off was the right thing to do. Probably could have kicked him in the nuts for good measure.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2011, 01:03:04 PM
Quote from: SD on January 20, 2011, 11:20:30 AM
Babin
ACL tears are no joke and it's sad to say but I think Graham is another Mcdougle, an undersized guy with injuries.
yup...its sickening that him and allen both blew out knees this year
Troof!
NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports that Albert Haynesworth is willing to take less money to play for new Eagles DL coach Jim Washburn again.
Here we go.
Quote from: reese125 on January 20, 2011, 09:04:18 PM
NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports that Albert Haynesworth is willing to take less money to play for new Eagles DL coach Jim Washburn again.
Here we go.
He'll take less than $100 million? Where do we sign up?
Thing I don't get is there's people wanting Haynesworth but also want the team to run a 3-4 defense. That was a big issue in DC. I don't see them going to a 3-4 now that they hired Washburn.
Asante Samuel would make a nice NT in the 3-4.
And the fact that they are ill equipped to run a 3-4 because they don't have the personnel.
They aren't going to a 3-4....I wouldn't mind seeing it but its not happening. If they could sign Haynesworth to a 1 year deal worth next to nothing why not?
If there were no reason not to, he'd have 31 offers next year!
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 20, 2011, 09:26:36 PM
They aren't going to a 3-4....I wouldn't mind seeing it but its not happening. If they could sign Haynesworth to a 1 year deal worth next to nothing why not?
not too sure haynesworth understands what you mean by "next to nothing" nor would that be his motivation to play hard
dude is a sociopath that needs a hug bad by his former d coordinator. if hugs work Im all for it.
Incentive filled contract.
...with the best out-clause ever written
"I owe Coach Wash pretty much everything. If my deal was $100 million or whatever, then Washburn deserves $90 million,'' Haynesworth said. "I have the talent, but he taught me how to let it loose. As a player, once you can get through the (colorful language), get down to the core of what he is saying, the information is more valuable than gold.
"He's a great coach, a great teacher. The Titans should have paid a lot of money to keep him from leaving.''
yea and any kind of short term incentive laden contract is a no-brainer and this is not a debate
who is going to cry over lost playing time or hurt feelings to bunkley and patterson and dixon
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2011, 01:34:33 AM
who is going to cry over lost playing time or hurt feelings to bunkley and patterson and dixon
My money's on J.
Quote from: reese125 on January 20, 2011, 09:35:47 PM
dude is a sociopath
Agreed and I hate players like this. TO was the same story. Helped the team when he felt like it. Singled handedly destroyed the team when he felt like it. It's tempting to want a player like Haynesworth, and I think everyone's judgement has been clouded by the Vick reclamation project, but count me as someone who would be extremely cautious about a deal even if it is an imaginary one year, incentive laden, blah blah blah type thing.
you never turn away talent like that....if he acts up at any point you just cut him...but to automatically eliminate someone who could drastically help your team because they have an attitude past is not smart football business
I'm completely on board the "get Haynesworth" bus, and I don't care what it costs to get him so long as we aren't talking draft picks.
for straight up money, he's worth the shot.
NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports that Albert Haynesworth is willing to take less money to play for new Eagles DL coach Jim Washburn again.
Haynesworth had his best seasons under Washburn in Tennessee, and the Eagles are expected to make finding a playmaking defensive lineman an offseason priority. A healthy, motivated Haynesworth would make RE Trent Cole that much more dangerous. This all assumes that Haynesworth is released rather than traded. The Skins will try to get something for him first.
from Rotoworld
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
you never turn away talent like that....if he acts up at any point you just cut him...but to automatically eliminate someone who could drastically help your team because they have an attitude past is not smart football business
Was the TO experiment worth it? They cut him in the middle of his second season and it was already too late. Look, I get what you're saying, and I wouldn't howl at the moon if they did sign him, but I would be plenty nervous about it.
They gave TO a 7 year 49 million dollar deal. You don't do that with Haynesworth, you ink him to a 1 or 2 year deal with a ton of incentives built in. He sounds like he'd be open to the idea because of Washburn. He isn't getting anywhere close to what the Skins gave him so he's deluding himself thinking otherwise. If he doesn't go for the above written type of deal you don't sign him.
From a different angle, I'm not sure I understand how that even helps the team. Sure, it makes them better in a specific way for next year, but with terrible defensive personnel and a new DC with a new way of running Reid's schemes I don't think anyone believes that this team is an Albert Haynesworth away from the superbowl. So what does signing him for one year accomplish? As soon as he gets paid again he's likely to sink back into his psycho ways.
Whatever. farg the offseason.
Who knows. Maybe they were a Haynesworth away from a superbowl. It's not like they got blown out by the Packers. You jam the middle and off-tackle spot Starks does squat, and more pass pressure is placed on Rodgers from the end positions.
They are all big if's, but I don't think it's car fetched to think especially if everyone thinks Haynesworth is this great talent.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 21, 2011, 09:47:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
you never turn away talent like that....if he acts up at any point you just cut him...but to automatically eliminate someone who could drastically help your team because they have an attitude past is not smart football business
Was the TO experiment worth it?
the 04 season was a four month dream....the nfc championship one of the best sporting events ive ever been to in my life and we got to ee the eagles in a superbowl...farging right it was worth it...i dont have one regret in them signing him
lol @ the "off tackle spot"
also while it obviously wont hurt the ends the quality of your defensive tackles helps the linebackers much more....trent cole coming off the edge is either beating his man or hes not....and the protection is generally going to be one on one or help from an end or back...its not like haynesworth is going to eat up a guard that would be blocking juqua parker
rather than haynesworth helping the ends get free what is getting overlooked is the direct pass rush he would supply himself...when the guy is on and in shape hes gets mad pressure up the middle and sacks...something vanilla ass patterson bunk and dixon could never dream of doing on any sort of consistent basis
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2011, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 21, 2011, 09:47:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
you never turn away talent like that....if he acts up at any point you just cut him...but to automatically eliminate someone who could drastically help your team because they have an attitude past is not smart football business
Was the TO experiment worth it?
the 04 season was a four month dream....the nfc championship one of the best sporting events ive ever been to in my life and we got to ee the eagles in a superbowl...farging right it was worth it...i dont have one regret in them signing him
Call me jaded, but almost winning the superbowl and then watching the team completely disintigrate the next year wasn't worth it to me. If they had won, sure I'd be in the same boat you are. But they didn't and the bullshtein in '05 just farging sucked.
i cant just erase the memory of great times because they didnt win it all...i get the notion that winning it all is the top of the mountain and there are times when i care a lot less about certain accomplishments because my team didnt win a title...roy halladays playoff no hitter last year is a perfect example
but theres also certain times that will never get extinguished...jj daigneaults goal in 87....the body bag game...jimmy rollins gapper off broxton...pimps punt return vs the giants...the sixers in 2001
i put the whole 04 egles season in with those
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2011, 09:25:28 PM
And the fact that they are ill equipped to run a 3-4 because they don't have the personnel.
They're ill equipped to run a 4-3 too
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2011, 11:12:39 AM
i cant just erase the memory of great times because they didnt win it all...i get the notion that winning it all is the top of the mountain and there are times when i care a lot less about certain accomplishments because my team didnt win a title...roy halladays playoff no hitter last year is a perfect example
but theres also certain times that will never get extinguished...jj daigneaults goal in 87....the body bag game...jimmy rollins gapper off broxton...pimps punt return vs the giants...the sixers in 2001
i put the whole 04 egles season in with those
Our perspectives are obviously different. I enjoyed 2004 but I was living in Boston and was accutely aware of the fact that even if the Eagles made it to the Superbowl, a win would be unlikely and a loss to the Pats would be horrible because I had to deal with New England bandwagoners. Add to that the fact that I was hesitant about signing TO in the first place and the whole season just brought a sense of inevitability that wasn't exactly pleasant.
its weird that we would view the seasons the way we do
since i thought they were gonna beat the patriots in the superbowl i should probably be more upset about it than you...i can see being 100% salty about that year if you thought they were gonna win but if you expected them to lose the whole time to the patriots then you might have enjoyed the lead up to that much more
as for opposing fans they make it miserable right after the loss but it shouldnt effect the way you look at it now
Assuming that they would lose could in no way increase my enjoyment of the season. I don't even understand how it could. Impending doom. That's what I felt.
From the "vomit-inducing" department:
Spadaro says one change that will likely come from the Washburn hiring is that the DE's will line up wider. Apparently this is beneficial when the ends are smaller.
Did they really need to change line coaches to know that? Hahahahahahaha
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 21, 2011, 11:44:51 AM
From the "vomit-inducing" department:
Spadaro says one change that will likely come from the Washburn hiring is that the DE's will line up wider. Apparently this is beneficial when the ends are smaller.
Did they really need to change line coaches to know that? Hahahahahahaha
Apparently, yes.
unless you assume that all small lineman are also fast that makes no sense...because you would line up fast ends wider because they can make up the increase in distance with their speed...unfortunately none of the eagles ends are superfast and none are even that quick other than killa
of course lining up ends wider could be code for switching to a 3-4 defense
It would be nice to see them switch to a 3-4 but does anybody really see that happening?
theyre not even close to having the lbs for a 3-4
do you really want moise fouke, a gimpy stewart bradley, levon kirkland and the ghost of jeremiah trotter out there 95% of the time?
I don't think you would see Fokou back if they moved to a 3-4. I am not even sure if Bradley would be back.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 21, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
It would be nice to see them switch to a 3-4 but does anybody really see that happening?
no...but i do think theres a better chance of them switching to a 3-4 than spadaro knowing that they are going to switch to a 3-4
they also arent switching to a 3-4 if the rumors of haynesworth are even a little bit true...altho i think the chances of haynesworth coming to the eagles are close to none....after the mcnabb trade fiasco the taterskins would trade him for a 2024 7th rounder before they ever let him walk to the eagles
doesnt he have a significant roster bonus due?
if the skins want to avoid paying that maybe they just cut him loose
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2011, 12:14:29 PM
doesnt he have a significant roster bonus due?
if the skins want to avoid paying that maybe they just cut him loose
you are thinking of mcnabb
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2011, 12:14:29 PM
doesnt he have a significant roster bonus due?
if the skins want to avoid paying that maybe they just cut him loose
Yes. And that's what will probably happen if they can't trade him.
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2011, 12:14:29 PM
doesnt he have a significant roster bonus due?
if the skins want to avoid paying that maybe they just cut him loose
He already got that last year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2011, 12:16:04 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2011, 12:14:29 PM
doesnt he have a significant roster bonus due?
if the skins want to avoid paying that maybe they just cut him loose
you are thinking of mcnabb
Pretty sure Haynesworth is in the same situation. The bonus might not be "huge" but I think he's still got one coming to him and I'm sure the Skins don't want to pay it.
I said it was last year! You farging farg!
haynesworth got his last year....thats what all the uproar was about...he took the bonus then still refused to play in the 3-4 when they asked him to
hes due some assinine roster bonus of like 30 mil in a few years but he wont ever see that from anyone
I knew he got that huge bonus last year. Thought he had a much smaller one coming this year too. Regardless, the Skins are going to want to move him the first chance they get rather than cut him 16 game checks this year.
im pretty sure they couldnt do that if they tried due to union issues...but no he is not going to be on the taterskins payroll next year....that was decided long ago
I won't believe anything about Haynesworth until BigEd says something about. Until then...it's a bunch of ranting and raving and fantasizing and a huge mental circle jerk which I'm tempted to join.
hold out for an actual circle jerk
next tailgate, prolly
Haynesworth - no. No farging way.
Stop with the 3-4 talk.
Not only do they not have the LBs, they don't have the lineman for that.
Yeah, don't get Haynesworth. Let's stick with Patterson, Bunkley & Dixon. They're much better.
Because no one else in the world plays defensive tackle. Only Bunkley, Patterson, Dixon and the farging waste of space Haynesworth.
He was a Pro Bowler before he got to Washington. He wants to come play for the guy who got him there. He wants to stick it up Shanahan's icehole like a farging telephone pole.
If he's available and willing to do an incentive-based deal, it's a no-brainer, even for you, sweetcakes.
He was a turd in Tennessee too. He played hard to get caked off and got it and reverted back to a pig.
No way.
Incentive schmentive. Go play in Oakland.
Racist.
lol i love j
no - the best dt in football if he wants to be
yes - a washed up goofy qb who isnt better than eli manning on his best day
sense made.
He'd rather have a crippled geriatric car wash owner playing LB than someone with actual talent too.
Don't forget that.
okay man but seriously...when he's on, is there a better DT than Haynesworth?
not even close
and keep in mind football is such a matter of circumstance, almost more so than any other sport
if haynesworth is happy and actually playing hard, he will be dominant. if hes unhappy and quitting, hell do what he did in washington.
no one is saying lock him big money big years or to trade for his contract in washington. hes a classic low risk high reward situation, like mike vick was. you make the money irrelevant, make him play and produce for the big bucks and have his favorite little coach to make his tummy feel better.
granted this worked with guys like vick and trotter and didnt with the andrews sisters. difference was they caked off the big kid and his homo sister. they gave vick and trotter next to nothing. which ones worked and which ones didnt, JASON?
i can't stand players who loaf it either but haynesworth has talent coming out his farging ears. it's worth a shot especially with his master yoda coming to philly to coach.
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2011, 05:58:23 PM
and keep in mind football is such a matter of circumstance, almost more so than any other sport
if haynesworth is happy and actually playing hard, he will be dominant. if hes unhappy and quitting, hell do what he did in washington.
no one is saying lock him big money big years or to trade for his contract in washington. hes a classic low risk high reward situation, like mike vick was. you make the money irrelevant, make him play and produce for the big bucks and have his favorite little coach to make his tummy feel better.
granted this worked with guys like vick and trotter and didnt with the andrews sisters. difference was they caked off the big kid and his homo sister. they gave vick and trotter next to nothing. which ones worked and which ones didnt, JASON?
agreed, minus the insufferable prick tone part
Doesn't it bother any of your pro-Haynesworth people that there are so many variables surrounding IF he will play well?
Best DT if he wants to be
Gotta have a personal handler (Washburn)
Maybe he will be motivated
And then there's EmDeeEs with the obligatory McNabb shot.
yea its worth a shot on a 1 year deal
ill take that risk
ill also travel back in time and give 5 a 3 year extension
it doesn't worry me one bit. i'm not paying him and he'd be playing for a new deal either from the eagles or someone else. it's one thing to be paying a guy during a contract year and quite another to be paying him afterward. should he come out and be the same sort of dominating player he was in tennessee, then he would have earned a new deal, and then it would be up to the eagles to decide if he was worth the risk. if not, thanks for a great season, and sayonara big al.
the only downside i can see here is if he's truly cooked or has no interest in playing anymore. i don't see either of those scenarios being accurate now, so farg it... go get him.
Yes, get him. Whenever the CBA is actually negotiated and the skins tire of actually expecting a pick for him. So, let's say... July. 2012.
The Eagles should be getting Brandon McDougle back around then, so it would be great timing.
Fastballs!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 22, 2011, 12:51:36 AM
Doesn't it bother any of your pro-Haynesworth people that there are so many variables surrounding IF he will play well?
the only variable i see is that he wont be playing for mike shanahan anymore...the washburn thing is a plus but i dont think it will make him play better....i expect whatever team he ends up with next year that he will play very well...
again tho i see no way he ends up with the birds as i think the skins will do everything possible to not allow that to happen
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2011, 01:23:38 PM
again tho i see no way he ends up with the birds as i think the skins will do everything possible to not allow that to happen
They offered him up in the Mcnabb trade but the Eagles declined, so I don't think the Skins care that much.
Yeah, but that was before McNabb got benched for Wrex Grossman. I still think they could work out a deal if they really wanted to, but I'm thinking the Skins would want a little more from the Eagles than other teams since they clearly got hosed on the McNabb trade.
Quote from: SD on January 22, 2011, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2011, 01:23:38 PM
again tho i see no way he ends up with the birds as i think the skins will do everything possible to not allow that to happen
They offered him up in the Mcnabb trade but the Eagles declined, so I don't think the Skins care that much.
that was before the mcnabb disaster season that went down in front of the entire nation...i cannot see nine months later snyder allowing haynesworth to be playing for the eagles against the skins
everytime he makes a play vs the skins there will be a highlite of it then a highlite of him laying on the ground while vick ran around the pocket for ten minutes before hitting avant...followed by a highlite of mcnabb sulking on the bench after being benched for grossman
That sounds like it would be the best highlight ever.
Antonio Cromartie called out both sides of the NFL labor dispute as "a-holes" today.
Sign.
he has like nine kids...its def in his best interest to play next year
Asante Samuel allowed 196 passing yards against all year, best in the NFL. Asomugha was next best with 206.
Wow...think how much better he'd be if Dick LeBeau were the DC
but he doesn't tackle!
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 25, 2011, 06:23:48 PM
Asante Samuel allowed 196 passing yards against all year, best in the NFL. Asomugha was next best with 206.
Why would anyone throw to that side of the field, when the right side is wide open for business?
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 25, 2011, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 25, 2011, 06:23:48 PM
Asante Samuel allowed 196 passing yards against all year, best in the NFL. Asomugha was next best with 206.
Why would anyone throw to that side of the field, when the right side is wide open for business?
on point.
they threw his way enough that he was second in the nfl in interceptions