The Defense

Started by PhillyPhreak54, August 20, 2009, 11:13:00 PM

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General_Failure

Well, obviously, if Tapp were any good he'd be able to cover a receiver.

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Eagaholic

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
yeah all moises foku - ernie sims - joselio hanson - dmitri patterson - kurt coleman - quinton mikell - juqua parker and jamar chaney need is to be coached up a little

So, the D would be just the same under Belichick

Dillen

The zone blitzes drive me farging insane. How many times do we have to see Cole, Juqua, etc. drop back in coverage while a DB blitzes and gets picked up without a problem? Can not stand that shtein. None of the DBs are even good blitzers. Hanson's solid, Nate Allen was before he got hurt. Stop sending Dimitri fargin Patterson on a blitz. On a team with little pass rush, why keep dropping your best pass rushers in coverage? Makes no sense. None.

PoopyfaceMcGee

All I'm saying is that if they fire McDermott, Jauron is the most likely candidate to fill the spot.

reese125

enough with all this talent garbage...please? is it one aspect...sure...but wake up.

unless you were farging blind, you would of missed the wide open receivers when mcdermott "tried" to blitz or you would of missed when it was 3rd and 8 or even 3rd and 10 and mcdermott didnt blitz at all. guys in the wrong spots, dropping random guys into coverage or no guys there at all. GB brings in the same running player personnel into the huddle pretty much the whole game, and you cant adjust bringing guys up closer to the line of scrimmage means youre out of your league. when you are in the red zone--the shortest and tightest position on the field---scheme is everything. bottom line the guy failed miserably last night...miserably.

also...when you have the 26th ranked pass defense in the league, and you are able to scheme against drew brees and the saints receivers after you got torched by them for almost 400 yards in the air the previous game-- who do you think is getting credit for that win? thats right--the d coordinator, not the talent on the field.

SD

Quote from: lurking wierdo on January 10, 2011, 12:39:46 AM
I think McDermott was the right guy under the circumstances 09. He is actuall good at using Johnson's schemes. But that's the problem. You need to keep innovating and evolving. The 5 year old scheme is old hat to the league now. Those old revolutionary blitzes are no longer surprising anyone. We really need an innovator, McDermott obviously isn't the answer.

I actually agree with wierdo here. The defense is predicable and I'm tired of these small quick guys who can't play worth a damn.

And McDermott IS to blame. Bad Redzone defense is all about the defensive coordinator. You're playing on a shortened field where you can bring your d backs up and get creative, so what's he do? zone. The scheme is old and tiresome. A perfect example was what he did last night. He started to put pressure on Rodgers and had the DBs playing man coverage...it was working. Then he backed off and Rodgers drove the ball down the field. He's too scared to get beat deep. It's a bend but don't break defense which is fine as long as the D is only giving up field goals and not TDs. I will give Mcdermott this he is decent at making half time adjustments.

And the D coordinator is responsible for letting defensive talent stay or go, so is it a coincidence that guys like Babin and Clemons are playing so well?

PoopyfaceMcGee

The D tightened up enough to give the team a chance yesterday, but that doesn't erase a season of failures.

Only glaring hole was and is CB.  Some of the young guys, most notably Chaney, were actually better than the injured players they took over for.  Even with meriocre talent, the D still wasn't even average.


SD

I realize it's GCobb but he makes some valid points:

http://www.gcobb.com/2011/01/10/eagles-are-concerned-about-their-defensive-schemes/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

QuoteEagles Are Concerned About Their Defensive Schemes

The Eagles defense continued their pathetic play inside the red zone, yesterday against the Green Bay Packers.  Aaron Rodgers and the Pack entered the Birds red zone three times and three times they reached paydirt.

It proved to be the difference in the game, because the Eagles got inside the Packers red zone three times and scored just one touchdown on those trips.  They kicked one field goal, missed another and scored a touchdown on Michael Vick's quarterback sneak.

The problems in the red zone have the Eagles front office concerned about defensive coordinator Sean McDermott.  During the season, opposing teams got into the end zone at a 77% rate, which is the worst an NFL defense has done in that category in nearly three decades.  I learned that the Eagles feel McDermott has made the team's defensive system too complicated and gimmicky.

There's concerned that too many times during the season, he has had the team's defensive ends playing pass defense. Earlier in the week, defensive end Trent Cole pointed a finger at the coaches and the scheme.  Someone asked him if he was wearing down during the season because he hadn't come down any sacks in a good while.  Cole said he was fine, but added he was just doing what the coaches wanted him to do.

They also feel McDermott has made the Eagles secondary coverages too complicated, so young defensive backs have trouble playing in his system.  There's concern that a talented player like rookie cornerback Trevard Lindley wasn't able to play because of the complexity of the system.

I was told that defensive line coach, Rory Segrest won't benefit from the fact that Eagles castoffs, Jason Babin and Chris Clemons both tallied more sacks in the season than any of the Eagles defensive linemen.  Babin is headed to the Pro Bowl after coming down with 13 sacks for the Tennessee Titans.  Clemons is still in the playoffs with the Seattle Seahawks after leading them in quarterback sacks with 11.

There's concern that Segrest isn't a top quality coach, so he may not be the guy to get the best out of the talent they have drafted.

ice grillin you

Quote from: Eagaholic on January 10, 2011, 02:05:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
yeah all moises foku - ernie sims - joselio hanson - dmitri patterson - kurt coleman - quinton mikell - juqua parker and jamar chaney need is to be coached up a little

So, the D would be just the same under Belichick

it would probably be better but it would still suck...the lack of talent on that side of the ball is appalling....even the spots where it doesnt suck....the defensive tackles for example...its still painfully average...with the exception of assante theres just no one on the field who can consistently make plays
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rjs246

I don't even know where this team could or should start with rebuilding the defense. There's a lack of talent everywhere. The scheme sucks. It's pretty disgusting all around.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

Rome

They have precisely two starters who are legitimate NFL starters.  The rest are either mediocre or career backups.  Unless they drastically upgrade the talent on that side of the ball, it wouldn't matter if Vince Lombardi clawed his way out of his grave and coached them.

Not that McDermott is the answer either, but the drastic talent deficit is the real problem there.

mussa

The defense is as predictable as the offense. It's a sad.
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BigEd76

Pretty sure McDermott isn't going anywhere and Roseman won't be blamed for giving him garbage to work with.  F'ing dick move by Andy to call out Akers in the postgame conference when he's been with him since the beginning, but when questioned about the defense, he says he needs to evaluate the film first?  Gimme a break.  You know your defense has sucked ass for 2 years.  F'ing do something about it...

reese125

no d coach in the league performs that poorly from a stat perspective and keeps his job except mcdermott.


ice grillin you

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 10, 2011, 11:36:22 AM
Pretty sure McDermott isn't going anywhere and Roseman won't be blamed for giving him garbage to work with.  F'ing dick move by Andy to call out Akers in the postgame conference when he's been with him since the beginning, but when questioned about the defense, he says he needs to evaluate the film first?  Gimme a break.  You know your defense has sucked ass for 2 years.  F'ing do something about it...

yeah!.....get em easy
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous