Well, the season is all but over. We saw the Eagles come from ahead to take another L. I'd put up a poll asking who was more at fault, but the problem is that everyone would be right. The offense couldn't finish drives, the defense played well most of the game but folded at the most crucial point, and the coaches were stuck on stupid at critical times. What we saw was really just a microcosm of Reid's tenure. With that written, let's get to it...
The good
- Wiz was 21/34 for 221 yards and a TD. A solid, yet unspectacular performance.
- The running game continues to produce. Westbrook had 18 carries for 79 yards and the team had 25 carries for 123 overall (Wiz was 2 for 18 yards). Why didn't the Eagles keep feeding the ground game? Oh that's right, the whole coaches-stuck-on-stupid thing.
- Reggie Brown had 3 catches for 44 yards, but he was conspicuously absent from the offense late in the game. I'd like to see get more passes thrown his way in the red zone.
- Kevin Curtis had five catches for 65 yards. I like Curtis because he stretches the field, but he doesn't seem to be much of a factor in the red zone.
- The defense played great...for 59 minutes.
- Cole and Patterson brought the pain.
- I previously criticized the LB play, but all of them played very well yesterday. The play that Gaither made at the goal line yesterday was phenomenal.
The bad
- While the Eagles moved the ball very well outside the red zone, they got only one TD out of four tries. I think not using the TE in passing game more often is the culprit. Before yesterday, I didn't know that all of LJ's TDs were in the red zone. One of the TEs has to step up.
- Why did Big Red call pass plays late in the game? Chicago had no timeouts, but with the Eagles playcalling and clock management via the playcalling, Chicago didn't need any. The whole coaches-stuck-on-stupid thing again.
- Since I'm on the stuck on stupid topic, what's up with the prevent D on the last drive? Rushing only three guys? I'm sure it looks great on paper, but how often does it work?
The ugly
- Maybe it was because I saw the game on TV, but it seemed like almost no one cheered when the Eagles when Rocca punted to the 3-yard line in the last minute. Even the game announcers mentioned how apprehensive the crowd was at that point. Was it because we suspected, if not believed, or even knew, but hoped wouldn't happen? Have we all become that cynical as Eagles fans? I suppose the answer is yes to those questions.
Quote from: dpierce on October 22, 2007, 02:36:55 PM
Why did Big Red call pass plays late in the game?
Did anyone who's a real fan think they wouldn't? I was at the bar talking to the guy next to me (non-Eagles fan) and he thought I was nuts when I told him what the next few plays would be. I don't think it's widely known throughout the league yet that the eagles have the worst clock management in the league.
If you want to see Reggie Brown get more looks in the red zone, you might want to tell him to catch the damn ball.
there are so many agregiously off base "observations" in this post that i wopuldnt know where to begin
kevin curtis stretches the field?....haha
mcnabb was a good?
the offense is a bad cause its not getting in the end zone but reggie brown who dropped a pass at the goa line is a good?
and the blame is not to be spread around
the defense played fine and had the team in a great position to win
the offense had a clutch 4th quarter drive to take the lead
the play calling and clock management lost this game....period
Ok, I'll ignore the fact that there are 5 other threads discussing the Bears game.
Do you need to create a new thread every week with the same title? Either re-use the old one, or maybe call this "Bears Game Observations" or something that gives some context?
Quote from: phattymatty on October 22, 2007, 02:41:08 PM
Quote from: dpierce on October 22, 2007, 02:36:55 PM
Why did Big Red call pass plays late in the game?
Did anyone who's a real fan think they wouldn't? I was at the bar talking to the guy next to me (non-Eagles fan) and he thought I was nuts when I told him what the next few plays would be. I don't think it's widely known throughout the league yet that the eagles have the worst clock management in the league.
esp after last week in the jets game reid called passing plays and mcnabb made that play to brown to gain a 1st down. im sure reid saw that and said "well i need to pass everytime in that situation from here on".
Quote from: Cerevant on October 22, 2007, 02:45:11 PM
Ok, I'll ignore the fact that there are 5 other threads discussing the Bears game.
Do you need to create a new thread every week with the same title? Either re-use the old one, or maybe call this "Bears Game Observations" or something that gives some context?
You're right. I'll use just one thread for this. That way the current misery will be in one location.
Mods, could you merge my threads please? G_F? MURP? Sus? Anyone...Bueller?
Quote from: Cerevant on October 22, 2007, 02:45:11 PM
Ok, I'll ignore the fact that there are 5 other threads discussing the Bears game.
Do you need to create a new thread every week with the same title? Either re-use the old one, or maybe call this "Bears Game Observations" or something that gives some context?
cause i hate going back into the game thread to see peoples thoughts i like the idea of a thread like this...but it should be something like "bears post game thoughts thread" and it should be started right after the game ends
White Lightening is the best receiver on this team. Hands down. He consistently makes plays and catches balls. Just because he's white doesn't mean he sucks IGY. It just means we have zero chance at winning the super bowl. zero
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those are his catches in the last five games....doesnt look very consistent to me
anyway i never said he sucked....i said hes a disgrace as a number one...he should be a 3 like he was in st louis...the fact that he got the contract he did is another black mark on this front office
A lot of thosse numbers aren't his fault, McNabb was downright terrible the first couple weeks. He's been catching everything that's been thrown in a catchable posistion, and he's fast as hell. He's not the problem.
Reid/Coaching/play calling is. Stop complaining about somethin that aint broke. Maybe he should try teaching Reggie Brown how to catch.
everything you just said may be true...cept the fast as hell part...but none of it changes the fact that your offense is not going to perform when kevin friggin curtis is your #1...hes a great #3 or an acceptable 2 behind a stud 1 and thats where he should be
I'm of the opinion that the offense would be doing much better if Reid would just run the ball more and if LJ Smith was back and healthy. He's kind of a big deal in the redzone.
But I'm more tired of this pass happy crap then i have ever been...they proved it in 200..2? whatever year the 3 headed monster was, and last year that they're a much better team and win when they run the freakin ball. And if Reid can't see that then I'm just going to hope like hell that Lurie does and they bring in a coach who's willing to at least go to a 55-45 balance.
The Eagles got absolutely jobbed on two calls that I think ultimately cost htem the game.
The pass interference call on James and the hold on Heremans.
If they punch the ball in on one other trip into the red zone is that a problem no but I still say they got jobbed.
If we're going to blame the Refs, I think the most obvious non-call of the night was Trent Cole being tackled down right in front of Griese when he threw the winning TD pass. Rediculous non-call there.
That too.
It's like this franchise is cursed or something.
Please just one Superbowl championship before I die.
You know, that may be the problem. We're asking for 1 and only one...so its very hard to attain that. We should be asking for 5 in the next 20 years, so that we we at least get 2 or 3. You gotta raise the bar.
"Aim for the moon and land among the stars"- some douchebag.
that was juqua on the last play but yes is was a horrible non call...yet they call a hold when tommie harris flopped against herremans
yeah it seemed the calls didn't go our way sunday but the eagles' issues go well beyond a call by the refs.
Quote from: Munson on October 22, 2007, 05:34:02 PM
If we're going to blame the Refs, I think the most obvious non-call of the night was Trent Cole being tackled down right in front of Griese when he threw the winning TD pass. Rediculous non-call there.
I was yelled at over that, when it was happening I was yelling for a hold. Then after the Bear fans stopped cheering they started with the whiner lines and crybaby, man did that hurt my feelings ;D bad no call though
my observations:
the D plays 3.5 good quarters only to be let down by the O once again.
Rocca needs his VISA revoked
Kearse and Howard are stealing money from the team. Banner will probably try and sue them both at the end of the year to get money back. Cheap bastich
unless they can get Bill Cowher out of retirement Reid will still be here next year with his 2 crackhead kids in a local pennetentiary
john fox should be available next year.
stat of the week
the eagles run pass ratio this year inside the opponents 25 yard line
56 pass
23 run
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 23, 2007, 03:55:20 PM
stat of the week
the eagles run pass ratio this year inside the opponents 25 yard line
56 pass
23 run
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Quote from: ice grillin you on October 23, 2007, 03:55:20 PM
stat of the week
the eagles run pass ratio this year inside the opponents 25 yard line
56 pass
23 run
see, reid does run the ball. ;)
what happened to the other 11 percent? special teams plays?
thats total plays
56 times theyve passed and 23 times theyve run
i should have checked number of shotgun formations in the passes but im a dope
lol and it would have been 21% anyway
How many holing penalties?
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on October 23, 2007, 12:10:59 PM
my observations:
the D plays 3.5 good quarters only to be let down by the O once again.
Rocca needs his VISA revoked
Kearse and Howard are stealing money from the team. Banner will probably try and sue them both at the end of the year to get money back. Cheap bastich
unless they can get Bill Cowher out of retirement Reid will still be here next year with his 2 crackhead kids in a local pennetentiary
Rocca did pretty good. Kept the ball away from Hester and did everything he could on the last punt of the game to make the Bears go as long as possible to get the winning score. Had the defense held up Rocca would be getting a lot of praise for that punt this week.
rocca was horrible other than the last punt which was magnificient...i mean it is possible to kick a ball more than 15 yards that isnt returnable...
however you have to blame the coaches for putting him in that position...something which hes never done before
that article yesterday summed it up pretty well for the kicking game. The fact that Akers was pumping his fists in joy every time he kicked the ball to the opposing 40 was embarrassing
Quote from: reese125 on October 24, 2007, 08:22:00 AM
that article yesterday summed it up pretty well for the kicking game. The fact that Akers was pumping his fists in joy every time he kicked the ball to the opposing 40 was embarrassing
I would have rather had him do that then let Hester get a shot at returning it against this special teams unit.
On to Minnesota, because no one demanded it!
The Good
- Wiz has gotten a lot more accurate since the first few games. He was 23/36 for 333 yards and a score today. It seems like he's finding his rhythm again.
- Reggie Brown had 8 catches for 105 yards. I wonder what happened to make him go from being the next Na Brown to the guy who showed up today. The grab he made in the 2nd quarter was amazing. Someone needs to check if he wore stickum during the game. ;)
- Westbrook's numbers weren't huge today (credit to the Vikes D-line), but the 2 TDs were.
- The Iggs kept running even though it didn't work. I know, I know...this should be in "The Bad", but I liked seeing Philly stay with running game. It's about time.
- The offense finally scored in the red zone.
- Cap'n Fair Catch (aka Reno Mahe) actually gained 27 yards on a punt return. Of course, he later returned to form by gaining 0 yards on his following attempt. I guess he didn't want to push up that return average too high.
- JJ's gameplan. He took a lot of heat from a number of us last week, but his plans kept Peterson in check.
- The defense played really well, and the D-line exceptionally so. They helped hold the Vikes to 105 total yards on the ground (Peterson had 70) and got 4 sacks (Cole had 2, while Kearse and Thomas got 1 apiece).
- With 9 sacks for the season already, Cole should make the Pro Bowl.
- Sheldon Brown flew to the ball all day long.
- Mikell just keeps on playing well in Darth's absence.
- Gocong seems to be getting more involved in the defense as well.
The Bad
- FOX's camerawork. They lost track of the ball several times today, which was really annoying.
- Where's LJ? Did anyone see him at all other than during the overthrown pass in the end zone?
- Even though Kearse had a sack today, it was his only tackle of the game. It's time for him to go.
Here's my observations:
1. Minneapolis is a horrible city to tailgate in. The stadium is in the heart of downtown and there is no stadium parking lot but just a bunch of small parking lots randomly scattered around a 5 block radius of the stadium.
2. Because of the lack of tailgating, the parking lots are clean enough to eat off of. Which I did.
3. The Vikings have an inflatable Nordic ship that they run through when taking the field and it's horrible looking.
4. They have great prices on concessions. $6 for a beer is ok but you could get a hot dog and nachos together for $4.75.
5. I hate that stupid farging horn sound that they play any time the Vikes get a 1st down.
6. I hate their "fight song" with a passion. I also hate the fact that they play it when the team only scores a FG. Lame.
7. I hate Andy Reid for calling all pass plays, including a farging flea flicker, on the 4th qtr drive that started with around 7 minutes left. WTF is wrong with this guy? And then when he finally does call a run play, it's with his gimpy QB instead of Westy or Buck. Brilliant.
8. Reggie Brown has been pretty solid for the last 3 weeks or so and it's about damn time.
9. I met Thomas Tapeh's sister in the parking lot and she gave me a hot dog. It was good.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 28, 2007, 08:05:14 PM
7. I hate Andy Reid for calling all pass plays, including a farging flea flicker, on the 4th qtr drive that started with around 7 minutes left. WTF is wrong with this guy?
absolutely nothing wrong with what he did there
Passing the ball this game, against a horrendous pass defense, was the right game plan.
i agree with both sun and phreak
cant hate on reid for his calls this game
reid called a fine game. the eagles still suck, but whatever, farg dallas.
the big guy had the play chart again too, i wonder if he's calling the plays full time again
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2007, 09:32:09 PM
i agree with both sun and phreak
cant hate on reid for his calls this game
The only thing to pick about, as I said in the other thread, was when they did run they ran it inside too much. If you want to run it up in there, its got to be with Hunt or Buck or with Westbrook after he's loosened them up a bit by stretching it outside. But then again, with the way Jackson was not doing his job I doubt if anyone runs it in there well today.
The TO on the 3rd play, on plays that should be scripted and run without problems, was ridiculous.
Who's ready for Bill Sampy? I actually hope they do call him up if Greggie is lost. He's a PR and a KR.
The play on the 4 when they lined Avant up in the backfield and shovel passed it to Westbrook was a great call against a stout defense. The playcalling wasn't bad today. I had to ask myself if I was just thinking that because they moved the ball well or because it was actually decent but I think it was decent. The short game passing game was used properly which was the difference.
1. Trent Cole is an absolute beast and assuming Kearse is gone next year I'm starting to lean towards them drafting another DE early to compliment Cole.
2. Chris Gocong has very quietly had an okay year, with today being his best performance. I actually noticed him more then a couple times this game, and it was good to see. He started off slow but I think he's coming around. Definately better then what I was expecting so far.
3. Considine is still getting run over. He needs to bulk up or get off the field. Or just learn that he's too small to hit people and needs to wrap up.
4. Where are the farging TE's?
5. Reggie Brown has finally shown up. Very good game from him today, hopefully he can keep it up against tougher defenses.
6. McNabb looked a little bit like his old self with some of the escapes from the pocket he made today. Still not as fast as he once was, but...it was good to see.
7. Anyone else catch the look on Reid's face after Childress pulled the onsides kick? :-D Classic.
Responses:
1. Yes, Trent Cole is a beast. Thank you, Captain Obvious. Drafting a DE is not any more a need than almost every other position on the field, though.
2. He's been no more or less visible than any other linebackers, and the team defense and team run defense have both been great, despite the Dawkins injury. Agreed, though... no reason to hate on Gocong.
3. He sucks and should be a special teamer.
4. Injured, white, and white.
5. Anomaly. He still needs to be replaced long-term.
6. Wrong. McNabb looked like he was TRYING to be his old self but was incapable. He's basically Byron Leftwich now.
7. Yes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2007, 09:32:09 PM
i agree with both sun and phreak
cant hate on reid for his calls this game
For most of the game, I agree. He called a pretty good game and he did seem to stick with the run consistantly even though it wasn't overly effective. Although opening up the game in the shotgun on the first 3 or 4 plays was rather annoying as well.
But it was that one drive in the 4th when he called pass pass pass pass pass pass qb draw pass pass. I was going nuts. I'm not saying that every play call should have been a run but one pass was incomplete and another went to Tapeh I believe and he ran out of bounds. So that was a good minute or so that could have been run off the clock and wasn't.
Oh well, they won so Reid is safe for now.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 29, 2007, 08:30:51 AM
For most of the game, I agree. He called a pretty good game and he did seem to stick with the run consistantly even though it wasn't overly effective. Although opening up the game in the shotgun on the first 3 or 4 plays was rather annoying as well.
But it was that one drive in the 4th when he called pass pass pass pass pass pass qb draw pass pass. I was going nuts. I'm not saying that every play call should have been a run but one pass was incomplete and another went to Tapeh I believe and he ran out of bounds. So that was a good minute or so that could have been run off the clock and wasn't.
Oh well, they won so Reid is safe for now.
I think there is a number of fans that would bitch about a pass being called on a last play hail mary.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 29, 2007, 08:07:59 AM
Responses:
1. Yes, Trent Cole is a beast. Thank you, Captain Obvious. Drafting a DE is not any more a need than almost every other position on the field, though.
5. Anomaly. He still needs to be replaced long-term.
6. Wrong. McNabb looked like he was TRYING to be his old self but was incapable. He's basically Byron Leftwich now.
Half the observations in this thread are "obvious".
Reggie Brown isn't going to be a good #1 WR but he's fine in a #2 role. Kevin Curtis is also fine in a #2 role. We're back to having two #2 WR's again.
As for McNabb, I disagree. He escaped from the pocket a few times yesterday, something I havn't really seen him do all year. He'd been getting sacked a lot earlier in the year, even as recent as last week, on those attempts to escape. But yesterday he was actually getting away from the rush.
Kenechi Udeze chased him down from behind.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 29, 2007, 03:05:40 PM
Kenechi Udeze chased him down from behind.
Read my post again.
Still not as fast as he once wasI never said he got his speed back. I'm saying he was showing some ability to cut on that knee and move side to side to avoid people and escape, something he hasn't really done too well so far this year.
So, you're saying he doesn't have the ability to get away from a defensive lineman but continues to attempt to play like a healthy 24-year-old Donovan and not like an injured, less-athletic version of himself?
I agree. He's an idiot for it. He can't run away from anyone, and he should have figured that out by now.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 29, 2007, 03:38:47 PM
So, you're saying he doesn't have the ability to get away from a defensive lineman but continues to attempt to play like a healthy 24-year-old Donovan and not like an injured, less-athletic version of himself?
I agree. He's an idiot for it. He can't run away from anyone, and he should have figured that out by now.
Would you rather him take the sack?
As long as Reid doesn't realize he has a slower McNabb, he's going to keep dropping him back 40 times a game and let him try to run for his life instead of running the ball and having a balanced attack. Yesterday not withstanding since Minny can't defend the pass.
Quote from: Wingspan on October 29, 2007, 10:08:40 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 29, 2007, 08:30:51 AM
For most of the game, I agree. He called a pretty good game and he did seem to stick with the run consistantly even though it wasn't overly effective. Although opening up the game in the shotgun on the first 3 or 4 plays was rather annoying as well.
But it was that one drive in the 4th when he called pass pass pass pass pass pass qb draw pass pass. I was going nuts. I'm not saying that every play call should have been a run but one pass was incomplete and another went to Tapeh I believe and he ran out of bounds. So that was a good minute or so that could have been run off the clock and wasn't.
Oh well, they won so Reid is safe for now.
I think there is a number of fans that would bitch about a pass being called on a last play hail mary.
That's because the recievers would include Greg Lewis and Reno Mahe.
im still pissed that reno mahe was looking at the plays with mcnabb on the sidelines back against the giants.
WTF does he need to look at the plays for????!?!??!?! :boom
another observation...
Bunkley has looked pretty damn good this year against the run. I think a big part of the reason why the run defense has been better this year is his play. He's been an animal and almost never gets pushed backwards. I'd like to see him get at the QB a little bit.
Did you actually observe that yourself or did you simply observe everyone else posting the same thing for the last several weeks?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 29, 2007, 08:08:25 PM
Did you actually observe that yourself or did you simply observe everyone else posting the same thing for the last several weeks?
I don't read a lot of what other people say here because most of you are negative to the point of retardation. I'm negative but not to the extent some are here.
No, you're right. I saw 20 people post that two weeks ago and was like "DUDE I SHOULD TOTALLY COPY WHAT THEY SAID AND PRETEND LIKE I OBSERVED THAT MYSELF EVEN THOUGH I KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THEN THESE DOUCHEBAGS!?!111onneone1!!21243!" I thought that would be a simply wonderful idea. I don't even watch the games. I just read what everyone says right here on CF and base my opinion of the Eagles on those thoughts and those thoughts only. Because everyone here is right. Kevin Curtis is slow because he's white. Why do all the Eagles players have AIDS? Wait, what the farg is football?
A lot of you repeat the same shtein over and over again. Get your mouth off your own cack'n'balls and get over yourself. And then do me a favor and take an icepick to your brain.
Quote from: Munson on October 29, 2007, 11:26:26 PM
A lot of you repeat the same shtein over and over again.
and it's more interesting and informative that what you post each and every time
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 29, 2007, 05:59:05 PM
WTF does he need to look at the plays for????!?!??!?! :boom
dmac or reno?
Quote from: Munson on October 29, 2007, 11:26:26 PM
I don't read a lot of what other people say here...
And yet, you continue to post here without reading anything that anyone writes. Living in a vacuum, thinking that you have anything to contribute. I used to live with a kid like that. You could have a conversation right across his face and he wouldn't have any idea that you were talking. Then five minutes later he'd just repeat everything back to you as though he just came up with it and expected you to to think that his ideas were somehow new or interesting or deserve a second thought. He got mocked a lot. Just like you. Put a sock in it, assface.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 30, 2007, 04:48:33 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 29, 2007, 05:59:05 PM
WTF does he need to look at the plays for????!?!??!?! :boom
dmac or reno?
prolly both at this point....not like looking at the plays shows them anything. they dont adjust. for all we know they might have been looking at nudie girls.
Quote from: Munson on October 29, 2007, 11:26:26 PM
I don't read a lot of what other people say here...
That's twice now you've said that you don't read what other people post, but yet you still keep posting. That implies that you think we care what you have to say - more so, in fact, that what anyone else has to say.
News flash: if there was an ignore function on this board, you would be in the top 5 most ignored. Do us a favor and pretend there is an ignore function and make your posts go away.
Amen.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 30, 2007, 07:18:14 AM
Quote from: Munson on October 29, 2007, 11:26:26 PM
I don't read a lot of what other people say here...
And yet, you continue to post here without reading anything that anyone writes. Living in a vacuum, thinking that you have anything to contribute. I used to live with a kid like that. You could have a conversation right across his face and he wouldn't have any idea that you were talking. Then five minutes later he'd just repeat everything back to you as though he just came up with it and expected you to to think that his ideas were somehow new or interesting or deserve a second thought. He got mocked a lot. Just like you. Put a sock in it, assface.
The fact is everyone here posts their "observations", and they're all pretty much the same damn things. Except for you, who just thinks "hey I can try and say something really really mean cause I'm a big icehole and it will be awesome!" When infact, you suck at life. And you care way too much what people on a message board think.
Quote from: Cerevant on October 30, 2007, 08:40:06 AM
if there was an ignore function on this board, you would be in the top 5 1 most ignored.
Quote from: Munson on October 30, 2007, 03:20:32 PM
When infact, you suck at life. And you care way too much what people on a message board think.
Are you actually intending to write that to yourself? Could you at least use your own terminology and insults instead of copying phrases like "you suck at life" verbatim from rjs, SunMo, and IGY?
Dumb cvnt.
Quote from: Munson on October 30, 2007, 03:20:32 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 30, 2007, 07:18:14 AM
Quote from: Munson on October 29, 2007, 11:26:26 PM
I don't read a lot of what other people say here...
And yet, you continue to post here without reading anything that anyone writes. Living in a vacuum, thinking that you have anything to contribute. I used to live with a kid like that. You could have a conversation right across his face and he wouldn't have any idea that you were talking. Then five minutes later he'd just repeat everything back to you as though he just came up with it and expected you to to think that his ideas were somehow new or interesting or deserve a second thought. He got mocked a lot. Just like you. Put a sock in it, assface.
The fact is everyone here posts their "observations", and they're all pretty much the same damn things. Except for you, who just thinks "hey I can try and say something really really mean cause I'm a big icehole and it will be awesome!" When infact, you suck at life. And you care way too much what people on a message board think.
Suck it up, Sally. rjs246's post was neither really really mean nor was it even really mean. I'll agree that he's as big an icehole as hbionic's is cavernous though.
What a douche.
Quote from: Munson on October 30, 2007, 03:20:32 PM
The fact is everyone here posts their "observations", and they're all pretty much the same damn things. Except for you, who just thinks "hey I can try and say something really really mean cause I'm a big icehole and it will be awesome!" When infact, you suck at life. And you care way too much what people on a message board think.
welcome to every message board on the internet, stupid...
they all consist of about 7 real original opinions and the rest is made up of childish insults and the hopes that someday someone will actually kill them self from it...please be the first
So I'm sure this has been said several thousand times already but I haven't read any of the game threads so eat my ass...
This was the best coached game Andy Reid has put together in my memory. And yet he still somehow managed to single-handedly lose it at the end. AJ took the blame in the presser, but what the farg were they doing lofting a deep fade from the 29 with under 3 minutes to go and just 1 timeout? Even if they score there they give the Pats the ball with 3 timeouts, the 2 minute warning and Brady going for the win. Absolutely awful. 56.25 minutes of coaching brilliance, all ruined by a massive brain-fart. What a douche.
Actually I thought the brain fart started when they took their second frivolous time out in the second half and continued from there...
Quote from: rjs246 on November 27, 2007, 07:17:42 AM
So I'm sure this has been said several thousand times already but I haven't read any of the game threads so eat my ass...
This was the best coached game Andy Reid has put together in my memory. And yet he still somehow managed to single-handedly lose it at the end. AJ took the blame in the presser, but what the farg were they doing lofting a deep fade from the 29 with under 3 minutes to go and just 1 timeout? Even if they score there they give the Pats the ball with 3 timeouts, the 2 minute warning and Brady going for the win. Absolutely awful. 56.25 minutes of coaching brilliance, all ruined by a massive brain-fart. What a douche.
I know Reid's been taking a beating here for this call, and that AJ should get a pass. Here's my two cents.
Reid and Johnson had been aggressive and clever for the whole game. Which was a beautiful change. Why go for the stop and go and give the ball back with 3+ min? "Because we aren't scared of these guys". I think Reid was trying to make a statement - that the Patriots are just guys; get the lead, give it to the defense, and prove that the Eagles belong in the same arena. AJ should've seen that the deep route wasn't open and dumped it off. Hell, even take the sack.
We as a group here bash Reid endlessly for not having any balls. Throwing for the quick score in that situation was incredibly ballzy. I liked it. If they score and the Pats roar back, I couldn't possibly be more pissed than I STILL am anyway, so why not?
OR...it was just a bad, quick reaction by a back-up QB, that could of easily check-downed or went to Reggie Brown on the other side. AJ was thinking "hero" and it got the best of him.
I didn't think that the timeouts were deserving of criticism at all. The Eagles didn't like what they saw when they lined up either time. Running the play as planned could have led to big mistakes, and the Patriots give you very little room for mistakes.
After the first 2nd half timeout, AJ Feeley threw a touchdown to Reggie Brown. After the second 2nd half timeout, Takeo Spikes tackled Kevin Faulk in the backfield. They took the time needed to get those plays right instead of farging them up.
If an Eagles-Patriots game comes down to the point where the Eagles need timeouts to win, the Patriots are going to win that 99% of the time anyway. No reason to hold onto timeouts in that game.
I agree that the long throw (or if you like, bad, quick decision by a backup QB), was AWFUL. I also thought failing to call timeout after the questionable TD to Gaffney, giving the replay booth time to get their shtein together and call a review, was pretty lousy coaching.
Reid does not get a pass from me for this game (no pun intended), despite his success through the first 55 mins.
It was an an aggressive playcall. Everyone was expecting us to grind it out and go short.
If it had worked it would have been incredible.
The deep route was not open but the checkdown for the first down was. AJ channeled Farve and threw it to where he wanted the reciever to be and not where he actually was.
It was beyond aggressive. It was a stupid play call. Westbrook had been all but abandoned by that point in the game..Reid should have gone to him or stuck with what had actually been working...middle of the feild intermediate routes at longest. He had a goddamned win in his hands if he didn't get carried away with himself.
MMH and QBEagles both make very good points I hadn't thought of.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 27, 2007, 07:53:37 PM
It was beyond aggressive. It was a stupid play call. Westbrook had been all but abandoned by that point in the game..Reid should have gone to him or stuck with what had actually been working...middle of the feild intermediate routes at longest. He had a goddamned win in his hands if he didn't get carried away with himself.
Yeah, but the game was winnable because they were dangerously aggressive the whole game. The onside kick. Fleaflicker. Option pass to Avant. The 3-3-5 defense that high schools use when they're understaffed. Staying aggressive with 3 mins left says farg you, we belong, and we WILL kick your ass. I believe the call is fine, but Feeley didn't execute.
Calling a timeout on Gaffney's catch was a huge missed opportunity. But it's not like the Pats rushed to get the extra point off. It is inexcusable that the refs didn't review a play that was clearly close. You can bust Reid's balls on it if you want. But I LOVED the play-calling. It was balls to the wall for 60 mins. Leave nothing on the field. This is our super bowl. And it was a great divergence from their typical tapioca bullshtein. I hope to see 5 more games of it.
I didn't read through everyone's comments about the game so I'm sure a lot of what I've got to say has already been said, but oh well.
I thought the coaches all did a pretty good job getting this team ready to play this week. The offensive and defensive game plans were pretty solid.
Offensively, AJ did a great job sans the first possession and the final two possessions. His throws were strong and accurate.
The oline was great in protection.
Westy was held in check for the most part. He didn't get much production carrying the ball but it was nice to see Reid feed him throughout the game. Would have liked to see a little Buck up the middle though. Pats are fast sideline to sideline. If you're going to run on them, it's probably going to be up the middle.
The recievers all did a damn good job. They got open and they actually caught the ball. Greg Lewis = Pats killa? I think he quadropled his stat line for the year in one game.
The defensive game plan was good. Running a 3-4 seemed to confuse the Pats a little and I thought Cogong did a nice job pressuring Brady. Moss and Stallworth were held in check but the Eagles had no one who could cover Welker. I don't know if Rod Hood would have made a difference or not but I'd like to think that he would have done a better job than Will James or Wang Hansen. Welker was the real difference maker in this game imo and the main reason the Pats won. The other reason being that even with a pretty solid defensive game plan, the Eagles were still unable to create any turnovers.
I thought Reed did a nice job filling in for Mikell.
I really can't find a lot of fault in the planning/strategy for this game. Reid had the right plan and I thought he called a pretty solid game over all. It was just a lack of execution in key situations that really did them in.....the final 2 int's obviously, but the Eagles also had a golden opportunity with the onsides kick and they went 3 and out. To come away from that without a fg at the very least was huge.
And did I actually see Reid showing some emotion on the sideline? Where the farg has that been for the last 9 years?
I'm not happy with the loss because it was a game that they had within their reach. I am happy with the effort though. They showed up and went blow for blow against what could be the greatest team ever put together. And they even did it after spotting them 7 points in the first 90 seconds.
The Eagles are the only team in the NFL with no defensive or special teams touchdowns.
The team is also last place in turnovers generated and they are ranked 29th in both kick returns and punt returns.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 27, 2007, 09:57:54 PM
The Eagles are the only team in the NFL with no defensive or special teams touchdowns.
WTF are you talking about? I specifically remember the Eagles special teams scoring a touchdown.........for Green Bay.
I also just noticed they are the 32nd defense (by cost) in the salary cap league on Yahoo. Ouch.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 27, 2007, 10:08:33 PM
I also just noticed they are the 32nd defense (by cost) in the salary cap league on Yahoo. Ouch.
And really, Kearse's salary shouldn't even count for that...
so how long before the FO looks around the league and realize "hey special teams can help out from time to time" and try to upgrade the return game?
i wanna see the same aggresive blitz/defensive schemes the rest of the way. nothing to lose at all. 3-3-5 or 3-4 or whatever is needed. blitz every play.
Quote from: methdeez on November 27, 2007, 07:48:48 PM
It was an an aggressive playcall. Everyone was expecting us to grind it out and go short.
Hahahahaahahahahahahahaha. What right-thinking person would ever think that Andy Reid would do that? No one, anywhere, ever will ever expect Andy Reid to grind anything out. Ever. Why the farg do you think the safety was practically lined up at the goal line? He was five yards deeper than Curtis and Curtis was in the goddamned endzone! Everyone on Earth knew that Andy Reid was going to 'try to take a shot'. Terrible playcall.
well cant be sure if reid told him to take that shot or if feeley decided on his own. its was just a bad play all around.
i blame feeley for actually pulling the trigger and not checking down to LJ streaking across.
i blame reid for not using westbrook more by running the ball there to keep the clock running.
well cant be sure if reid told him to take that shot or if feeley decided on his own. its was just a bad play all around.
coaches dont tell the qb where to throw it...the coach makes a play call and the qb is supposed to throw it where the defense allows...this is where aj takes some of the fault...not checking down...but reid shouldnt have called a play where the first option was that throw...we arent talking about tom brady here...we are talking about a back up qb that had already made one horrendous mistake in the game...not to mention even if they hit that play brady comes right back down the field and wins the game...so not only was it a questionable play call but it was terrible clock management
You guys are all farging hypocrites. You're bashing Reid for being aggressive, after spending the last 5 years ripping him for playing conservative.
Fine with the call, AJ has to check down there. And he knew it the second he threw the ball.
The bashing isn't based on him being aggressive. Being aggressive is fine. It's good. The problem is that he doesn't have any farging clue how to change gears. None. This game was more fun to watch than usual, but in the end his inability to recognize the game's situation was the team's undoing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 08:09:42 AM
this is where aj takes some of the fault...not checking down...
Feeley said he was just trying to throw it away but didn't get enough air under it. Which begs the question why not just throw it out on the sideline?
even back-ups have to have a good cover-up..cmon
You guys are all farging hypocrites. You're bashing Reid for being aggressive, after spending the last 5 years ripping him for playing conservative.
i cant recall one instance of someone bashing reid for being to conservative...i know i havent...if anything he isnt conservative enough...ie passing the ball 70 times a game instead of establishing a run offense
theres times for both the problem is reid usually does the wrong one at the wrong time...his lack of halftime adjustments are legendary but he also is unable to change during the game as well...for example pumping the brakes when he should have in the new england game...dont get it twisted im by no means blaming reid for the loss but you have to put a good amount of blame on him for that last call...the ne game imo was a mircocosm of why he wont ever win a superbowl
Quotethe ne game imo was a mircocosm of why he wont ever win a superbowl
Not to mention why New England has now won three and is well on its way to winning its fourth.
you criticize based on what happened and what the situation dictates. who cares what was said for the past 5 years?
QuoteNot to mention why New England has now won three and is well on its way to winning its fourth.
well Colvin is now out for the year and I think Gay got hurt as well. I was wondering when these guys would start having injuries. They have been lucky to escape it all year. Couple more on the defensive side, and these guys are not a lock to win it (but still a have a very high percentage with the offense alone).
Any more significant injuries, I dont think Bill goes for the perfect record and rests the starters
their defense is irrelevant....its wasnt that good with colvin and isnt that good now...new england will not lose unless brady has an off game...you have to outscore new englands offense and it doesnt appear that anyone can do that
Defense is 5th in points, 3rd in total yards, 5th in rushing yards, 6th in passing yards. Not good? Very good. Thats why the debate over being the best team ever. Not just because of the offensive output.
I agree, Brady will have to be off, but that D better be on or GB or Dallas (IMO) will be right there with them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 09:07:02 AM
their defense is irrelevant....its wasnt that good with colvin and isnt that good now...new england will not lose unless brady has an off game...you have to outscore new englands offense and it doesnt appear that anyone can do that
Technically, the Eagles offense did outscore the Patriots offense, it was just that Feeley gave the Patriots a 7 point advantage approximately a minute into the game.
I thought Feeley's arm strength was supposed to be really good? I thought the scouting report always said he had an above average arm. But it seems now like he can't get it out of bounds when he wants to with any consistency, if he is to be believed with regards to what he was trying to do on those plays.
the defense has those numbers because the offense puts them up 31-0 in every game....playing in a division with the the jets dolphins and bills doesnt hurt...its an ok defense not a great one....in the end it isnt a factor in whether they win it all or not...if they keep averaging 40 pts a game it wont matter if the defense is 32 in the nfl
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 09:22:46 AM
the defense has those numbers because the offense puts them up 31-0 in every game....playing in a division with the the jets dolphins and bills doesnt hurt...its an ok defense not a great one....in the end it isnt a factor in whether they win it all or not...if they keep averaging 40 pts a game it wont matter if the defense is 32 in the nfl
Your making my point IGY. The fact that the score is 31-0 is saying not only is the offense great, but the defense is posting a shut-out (exaggerated example obviously). After all those scores, they do give the ball back to Dallas, Cinci, Clev, etc. for a try
Id love to see a 5 receiver set SB battle of GB and NE
the defense determines how much they win by...not whether they win or not
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 08:09:42 AM
well cant be sure if reid told him to take that shot or if feeley decided on his own. its was just a bad play all around.
coaches dont tell the qb where to throw it...the coach makes a play call and the qb is supposed to throw it where the defense allows...this is where aj takes some of the fault...not checking down...but reid shouldnt have called a play where the first option was that throw...we arent talking about tom brady here...we are talking about a back up qb that had already made one horrendous mistake in the game...not to mention even if they hit that play brady comes right back down the field and wins the game...so not only was it a questionable play call but it was terrible clock management
You don't know who the primary guy was to begin with. Curtis could have been the 2nd option. We don't know.
jaws and baldinger both said this week that the first option on that play was curtis...the design was to get him one on one outside for a big play
yeah and i doubt feeley was throwing the ball away. he had no pressure on him and unless he totally missed LJ or the other WRs he had no reason to throw it away.
it was not a last second desperation chuck trying to get it out of bounds.
anyway any word/update on who starts this weekend? i bet it will be feeley and if he does bad, mcnabb will be back in for the giants to be sacked 4-5 times.
Quote from: reese125 on November 28, 2007, 09:32:36 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 09:22:46 AM
the defense has those numbers because the offense puts them up 31-0 in every game....playing in a division with the the jets dolphins and bills doesnt hurt...its an ok defense not a great one....in the end it isnt a factor in whether they win it all or not...if they keep averaging 40 pts a game it wont matter if the defense is 32 in the nfl
Your making my point IGY. The fact that the score is 31-0 is saying not only is the offense great, but the defense is posting a shut-out (exaggerated example obviously). After all those scores, they do give the ball back to Dallas, Cinci, Clev, etc. for a try
Id love to see a 5 receiver set SB battle of GB and NE
Yeah, but the defense (and consequently, it's numbers/stats) usually has the luxury to dictate due to the sucess of the offense. Not too many opposing O's, if any, have the ability to literally score on every possession like NE does. In a number of games this year, NE's D has been pinning its ears back by mid-2nd quarter. Most defenses have to worry about the running game for an entire 60 minutes. The Pats' D has to worry about the run for the 1st half. So, it's going to be near the top in run defense because teams have abandoned the run so much. On the flip side... it'll be harder to pass against them when they can just rush the QB when they know the pass is coming. Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 games all year where the Pats had to be concerned with the run (IND, DAL, PHI) for 60 minutes. The rest were relative laughers.
It's obviously a good D, but it's numbers wouldn't be where they are if they weren't aided by an incredible offense that pared things down for them.
yeah and i doubt feeley was throwing the ball away. he had no pressure on him and unless he totally missed LJ or the other WRs he had no reason to throw it away.
yeah its clear from watching the play that he wasnt throwing it away and his first and ultimately only intent was to go to curtis for six
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
jaws and baldinger both said this week that the first option on that play was curtis...the design was to get him one on one outside for a big play
Which makes no farging sense from a tactical standpoint. 3:50 to go with Brady quarterbacking. If Reid's intention was to score quickly then he should be canned right here and now because by doing so he was basically handing the game to the Patriots.
Yeah, but the defense (and consequently, it's numbers/stats) usually has the luxury to dictate due to the sucess of the offense. Not too many opposing O's, if any, have the ability to literally score on every possession like NE does. In a number of games this year, NE's D has been pinning its ears back by mid-2nd quarter. Most defenses have to worry about the running game for an entire 60 minutes. The Pats' D has to worry about the run for the 1st half. So, it's going to be near the top in run defense because teams have abandoned the run so much. On the flip side... it'll be harder to pass against them when they can just rush the QB when they know the pass is coming. Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 games all year where the Pats had to be concerned with the run (IND, DAL, PHI) for 60 minutes. The rest were relative laughers.
It's obviously a good D, but it's numbers wouldn't be where they are if they weren't aided by an incredible offense that pared things down for them.
exactly...i thought reese/cole would be able to figure out what i meant when i said the defense is up 31-0 every game...but i forgot his pea brain is unable to process in that manner...oh and that he knows zero about football
I don't really have a problem with trying to score right then and there. You can't worry about winning the game until you have more points than the other team. You worry about all that other shtein later.
Yeah, I don't like giving the ball back to Brady with that much time any more than anyone else, and I think he likely would have lead them down for a score, but that's the situation. At least they would have been in that situation with the lead had they scored.
3 minutes is a shteinload of time to try to burn off to go 20 yards anyway... especially against a D that good. In the situation, Feeley made a terrible throw while we were in FG range is what blew the game IMO, not the aggressive playcall. Feeley's got to throw that to where if Curtis couldn't get there... he would have at least had an opportunity to break that up. Samuel was 5 yards in front of Curtis and even he had to catch it over the shoulder. A better throw... and that's likely an incomplete pass instead of an INT and the Eagles would still have had a chance.
or had he just seen how far back samuels was dropping and under thrown it a lil curtis might have had a nice 20yd+ reception.
up to that point in the drive feely was something like 5-6 throwing all short passes which had the patriots on the ropes...immediately before the pass westbrook had ripped off a seven yard run...then all of a sudden on 2nd and 3 from the 30 you throw for the end zone...it just made so sense whatsoever...had they been inside the 15 then you def take some shots at the end zone...but in that down/distance/score/time situation it made absolutely no sense there...not to mention how the flow of the game was at that point
Often in farg ups, the simplest explanation is best...I think he just got the yips - buck fever if you will - flinched and missed like Cheney.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 09:55:06 AM
Yeah, but the defense (and consequently, it's numbers/stats) usually has the luxury to dictate due to the sucess of the offense. Not too many opposing O's, if any, have the ability to literally score on every possession like NE does. In a number of games this year, NE's D has been pinning its ears back by mid-2nd quarter. Most defenses have to worry about the running game for an entire 60 minutes. The Pats' D has to worry about the run for the 1st half. So, it's going to be near the top in run defense because teams have abandoned the run so much. On the flip side... it'll be harder to pass against them when they can just rush the QB when they know the pass is coming. Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 games all year where the Pats had to be concerned with the run (IND, DAL, PHI) for 60 minutes. The rest were relative laughers.
It's obviously a good D, but it's numbers wouldn't be where they are if they weren't aided by an incredible offense that pared things down for them.
exactly...i thought reese/cole would be able to figure out what i meant when i said the defense is up 31-0 every game...but i forgot his pea brain is unable to process in that manner...oh and that he knows zero about football
What the farg are you talking about IGY? Can I have your address so I can over and piss in your mouth? Than when Im done, I can shtein on your face because you truly are a shteincan. You know no more than me about football kid. This persona you put up about being the god of football and everyone should agree with you on EVERYTHING or you kick and scream like a girl is a complete joke.....and I grin at all your "attempts" to drop knowledge.
You have some severe inadequacies you need to deal with and a very sad infatuation with my ballsack. Keep it coming charlie.
Quote from: reese125 on November 28, 2007, 11:11:41 AM
What the farg are you talking about IGY? Can I have your address so I can over and piss in your mouth? Than when Im done, I can shtein on your face because you truly are a shteincan. You know no more than me about football kid. This persona you put up about being the god of football and everyone should agree with you on EVERYTHING or you kick and scream like a girl is a complete joke.....and I grin at all your "attempts" to drop knowledge.
You have some severe inadequacies you need to deal with and a very sad infatuation with my ballsack. Keep it coming charlie.
im by no means a football god and there are people on this very board that know easily as much about football as me and some more
i think youre confused because your complete and utter lack of football knowledge makes me appear to be a god
now go cry some more you bitchmade cranial lump
Quoteim by no means a football god and there are people on this very board that know easily as much about football as me and some more
yeah, way to try and get moral support from the peanut gallery. People just cracked up at that statement
I know you have the Concretefield elections coming up and all, but this is ridiculous....
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Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 28, 2007, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
jaws and baldinger both said this week that the first option on that play was curtis...the design was to get him one on one outside for a big play
Which makes no farging sense from a tactical standpoint. 3:50 to go with Brady quarterbacking. If Reid's intention was to score quickly then he should be canned right here and now because by doing so he was basically handing the game to the Patriots.
Burn the clock. Short yard plays. Move the chains. Score with no time left on the clock.
That's what the good teams do. I think andy should couch arena ball in the off season to get the concept of clock management.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 28, 2007, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
jaws and baldinger both said this week that the first option on that play was curtis...the design was to get him one on one outside for a big play
Which makes no farging sense from a tactical standpoint. 3:50 to go with Brady quarterbacking. If Reid's intention was to score quickly then he should be canned right here and now because by doing so he was basically handing the game to the Patriots.
I don't agree. If you can score, score. Let them worry about trying to play catch-up.
I rewatched the game lastnight, GoCong looked decent coming off the edge. He'd be a player if they'd switch him back to his natural position.
I actually thought the team looked surprisingly competent in the 3-4. Considering how awful their LBs usually are, I thought it would be an unmitigated disaster area.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 28, 2007, 03:38:47 PM
I rewatched the game lastnight, GoCong looked decent coming off the edge. He'd be a player if they'd switch him back to his natural position.
im not gonna go that far after one good game...it wasnt as if he was using superior athleticism to go around or thru guys...it was more jj's play calling imo...but i totally agree thats the spot he needs to be given a chance at...hed def be a nice option coming off the bench as a pass rushing DE if he can show he belongs
Gocong played better on Sunday than he had in all of the other games leading up to it combined.
Not saying much but it says quite a bit about how he is playing completely out of position as a SAM.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 28, 2007, 03:38:47 PM
I rewatched the game lastnight, GoCong looked decent coming off the edge. He'd be a player if they'd switch him back to his natural position.
im not gonna go that far after one good game...it wasnt as if he was using superior athleticism to go around or thru guys...it was more jj's play calling imo...but i totally agree thats the spot he needs to be given a chance at...hed def be a nice option coming off the bench as a pass rushing DE if he can show he belongs
that's all I'm saying. He was noticable which is a step up from what he gives the team at the SAM
they should switch to a 3-4
i'm half kidding
and go to a zone-blocking scheme on offense
Im not kidding
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 03:41:03 PM
I actually thought the team looked surprisingly competent in the 3-4. Considering how awful their LBs usually are, I thought it would be an unmitigated disaster area.
One reason why the LB's "looked" good might have something to do with the fact that the Pats only ran the ball 16 times. 13 if you take away Brady's 3 scrambles.
Don't get me wrong, I think the scheme/game plan/execution on defense was solid but I think the Pats kind of hurt themselves by not attacking the Eagles' LB's on the ground.
Agreed. I was just shocked that the Eagles were able to pull it off, AT ALL. I saw the formation on the first drive and just about plotzed in my drawers.
caught some of the game on NFL replay. Best and worst efforts I saw on a play: Juqua Thomas tackles Wes Welker 45 yards down field, just a few yards short of the endzone. wow
On another play when Brady was scrambling to the left sideline, Howard just pulled up and apparently lost interest - looked like if he hustled he could have had a free shot at Brady before he got out of bounds, which should be like crack for a DE. lame
These days you are more likely than not to get a Personal Foul call, regardless of what the rules are.
Please don't try to justify Howard's useless ass. Please.
I observe that the Eagles need to focus on improving their 2008 draft position.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 02, 2007, 06:02:29 PM
I observe that the Eagles need to focus on improving their 2008 draft position.
I observe that it doesn't really matter what pick the Eagles get, because one Andrew F. Reid will screw it up anyway.
So, at the risk of contradicting myself... JR Reed played a nice game today. IGY put it well last week when he pointed out that his only job was to stay 5 yards beyond the play and then run striaght ahead to lay the wood, but the truth is that he made a couple of key plays and kept things brutal in the middle of the field today. I still don't think he belongs in the league, but I'll give credit where credit is due. he played a hell of a game.
JR and his leg have played extremely well, and anything is an improvement over Considine. I'm not going the Munson route here at all, i'd much rather have a guy who has 2 legs and ridiculous skills, but as a backup plan i'm damn happy he's there.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 02, 2007, 09:39:42 PM
JR and his leg have played extremely well, and anything is an improvement over Considine. I'm not going the Munson route here at all, i'd much rather have a guy who has 2 legs and ridiculous skills, but as a backup plan i'm damn happy he's there.
but knowing reid he will figure that this shows enough to justify him as the starter next season.
i'm done observing for this year.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 02, 2007, 10:06:12 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 02, 2007, 09:39:42 PM
JR and his leg have played extremely well, and anything is an improvement over Considine. I'm not going the Munson route here at all, i'd much rather have a guy who has 2 legs and ridiculous skills, but as a backup plan i'm damn happy he's there.
but knowing reid he will figure that this shows enough to justify him as the starter next season.
sad but true, he'll have Considine out there, and JR as a backup.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14641&spadaro=1
Hahaha. Even Spadaro has leaped off the bandwagon. Well, sorta anyway.
Sure, it's easy to blame coaching and underachieving players for the crappy season. Thinking outside the box, I've decided to meaninglessly blame Takeo Spikes for briinging the football grim reaper that surely must be following him to the Eagles.
Wow, Spadaro could get fired for this kind of honesty:
LINK (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14641&spadaro=1)
Seriously, it's a surprising read.
a day and dollar....
Here's a recap for those of who that refuse to go read any of Dave's stuff anymore:
-Westbrook is the only true difference-maker on the Eagles roster
-Curtis is a nice player but not a #1. Reggie Brown obviously has not stepped up into that role either.
-Dawkins is no longer an impact player.
Etc, etc.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2007, 10:46:50 AM
Wow, Spadaro could get fired for this kind of honesty:
LINK (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14641&spadaro=1)
Seriously, it's a surprising read.
:o
He's about to put out the word about a stolen laptop because Spadaro sure as hell didn't write that.
he clearly got the word from upstairs to rip the players...unless i missed it he didnt mention the people who acquired all these middling guys...i also didnt see anything on the coaching
there was one perfuctory mention of it starts at the top and then he proceeded to rip by name numerous players
perfuctory (sic) mention:
QuoteWho is to blame? Everyone, starting at the very top and working all the way down.
You are definitely right in that he calls out all the players and doesn't circle back to the personnel guys and coaching.
reid and heckert are untouchable in terms of being mention.
coaches and FO are on a separate level.
remember they are smarter than rest of the league.
Besides Reid's press conference, Spadaro flipped out on callers during Eagles Live and took a 30-minute break for everyone to regroup. Not a good day at NovaCare I guess...
ha...i would have loved to have heard that...what made him lose it easy?
Didn't hear it firsthand so I'm going by multiple recaps on EMB, but apparently there's a regular caller named Jerry that keeps interrupting Dave every time Dave tries to answer a question, so Dave had enough today and yelled into the mic, "LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS...STOP INTERRUPTING ME...THIS HAPPENS EVERY TIME YOU CALL...YOU ASK ME 50 MILLION QUESTIONS, THEN INTERRUPT ME WHEN I TRY TO ANSWER YOUR GOD DAMN QUESTIONS!!" :-D Then the next caller asked why they don't run more and he replied "THEY RAN THE GOD DANG BALL!" and cut off his show for a half hour.
hahaha i farging love it.
spads took his mic and went home....good stuff
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JR and his leg have played extremely well, and anything is an improvement over Considine. I'm not going the Munson route here at all, i'd much rather have a guy who has 2 legs and ridiculous skills, but as a backup plan i'm damn happy he's there.
but knowing reid he will figure that this shows enough to justify him as the starter next season.
sad but true, he'll have Considine out there, and JR as a backup.
"Munson route"
I'm not saying he's great. I'm saying the exact same damn thing you're saying. He's an improvement over Considine, and if that's the case he should be given a chance to start next year. I'd much rather them draft or sign a play making monster safety, but I know that probably won't happen. So I'd rather see Dawkins/Reed out there next year then Dawkins/Considine or Dawkins/QM.
Everybody just settle down and stop going all Munson all over everything.
I don't get why there can't be just one player who just walks up to Reid on the sideline and says "Westbrook is our best player. Give it to him every goddamn play." Westbrook himself should say that. He had over 200 yards on less than 30 touches.
I also find it hilarious that people like Reid and Spadaro are flipping out, yet us fans saw this coming from a mile away. I knew (just like pretty much everyone else with a brain) if Westbrook didn't actually score on that punt return the Eagles wouldn't win.
Being on the last half of the season what sort of grades would you give the players where there were big question marks?
Gocong?
Considine?
Gaither?
Hanson?
Bunkley?
Kearse?
JR Reed?
Curtis?
LJ Smith?
McNabb?
If I missed anyone else you think deserves grading, post it.
Gocong? B
Considine? D
Gaither? B-
Hanson? C+
Bunkley? B
Kearse? F
JR Reed? B+
Curtis? A
LJ Smith? INC.
McNabb? C-
F
the list is tough to properly grade...are players like gocong supposed to be graded on what you thought hed do (in which case he gets a C) or what hes actually done (D-)
then you have players like lj and donovan who should get incompletes due to injury but if you count all things equal and grade their actual performances....LJ - D.....donovan - F
Gocong? - C on expectations D- in reality
Considine? - F-
Gaither? - C
Hanson? - B
Bunkley? - B+
Kearse? - F
JR Reed? - C
Curtis? - C
LJ Smith? - injury incomplete - F actual
McNabb? - injury incomplete - D actual
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2007, 02:46:05 PM
spads took his mic and went home....good stuff
so what did he do with the portable table and folding chairs (the studio)?
Kearse - F
Kearse - F
Kearse - F
Kearse - F
Kearse - F
Kearse - F
Kearse - F
Kearse - F
Get that dead weight off the farging team.
Gocong - B-
Considine - D
Gaither - C+
Hanson - C+
Bunkley - B+
Kearse - F
JR Reed - C
Curtis - A-
LJ Smith - C-
McNabb - C
Gocong - C
He's been exactly this: an average player. Very few impact plays. Very few big mistakes.
Considine - F
He farging sucks.
Gaither - C-
He's been very disappointing. Like Gocong, but even fewer impact plays.
Hanson - B
You don't see him being picked on very often. That's about all you can ask from a nickel/dime guy.
Bunkley - B-
He's really stepped up from last year's ugliness. He's still not very good, though. You don't exactly see him blowing guys up and getting in the backfield very often.
Kearse - F
Glue. Sell him for glue.
JR Reed - D+
He was signed for the return game. He blew the Packers game. He really hasn't broken squat on KR's either. He's been average as a backup safety but below average for a return specialist.
Curtis - B+
He is what I thought he was. He catches the ball with his hands and makes a few big plays. Unfortunately, Reggie Brown isn't consistently doing enough, and Curtis usually draws the double.
LJ Smith - D
Bring him back for 1 more year, if he wants a shot to prove he deserves big dollars. He has not been consistent at all due to injury.
McNabb - C-
He's been just this: slightly below average.
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spads took his mic and went home....good stuff
so what did he do with the portable table and folding chairs (the studio)?
he wheeled them 20 ft and said he was reporting from a remote location :P
I caught the archive of yesterday's show. The caller is a moron and deserved it, but Dave is just sitting there getting madder then all of a sudden he just jumps at the camera and goes off. Funny ish. After that he calms down and they cut the show off because Andy needed the room for a meeting.
Replay, pt 1 (http://philadelphiaeagles.com/includes/iframes/multimedia_video.asp?mm_file_id=4864&is_home=y&play_clip=y)
There's no time markers so I can't pinpoint an exact moment, but it's about 2/3 of the way in, caller named Jerry, about 8 minutes in after Jerry claims Feeley started in San Diego (no) and McNabb is 100%...
That was hilarious
I clicked a little before the mute button and found it.
bwaahahaha...omg that is classic...everyone needs to see this...move the bar on the player past andys presser until the front of the bar is almost at the speaker icon...its right around there
spadaro >>>>> beano cook
That guy Jerry is a farging retard. :-D
Hilarious response, though.
actually the guys question was on point but he did keep interupting spads...but anyone that can get under that douchebags skin is a daisy to me
someone needs to edit daves explosion out of that file and get it up on youtube or someplace we can access it whenever we want
that shtein was legendary
That was pretty funny. Like an instant blow-up.
eskin just announced that on thursday banner will be in studio with him taking fan calls
Dave is back (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14653&spadaro=1)
-Thinks Gaither will add weight in the offseason and be a force next year
-Says he wants to see more of Nick Graham
-Wants team to figure out if they need to "add to the mix" at CB because of Lito's injuries
Bizarro Dave only lasted a day.
Stop releasing quality players like Rod Hood and adding stiffs like Will Peterson. That would be a nice start.
Also - LOL at the Gaither comment.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 04, 2007, 04:22:25 PM
Stop releasing quality players like Rod Hood and adding stiffs like Will Peterson. That would be a nice start.
Also - LOL at the Gaither comment.
seriously
omar gaither will NEVER be a force at MLB and its extremely unlikely hes ever one at will
funny seeing the the spin machine is already into 2008 mode...yesterday was kill the players for this year....today its how good the players are gonna be next year
and farg hoping for yet another miracle undrafted player to turn into a player...for god sakes make your top draft picks count and get some god damn high end free agents in here....im sick of this bullshtein....motherfarg nick graham
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 04, 2007, 04:22:25 PM
Also - LOL at the Gaither comment.
Every year, someone has to gain weight to play their position. What if they drafted guys that were already the correct size?
By the way, this might be the worst-written paragraph I've ever seen for many reasons:
QuoteIS IT TIME FOR YOUNG PLAYERS TO BE GIVEN MORE TIME?
I would probably say no right now. No to Kolb. No to Victor Abiamiri, although I would like to see what he can do. No to Tony Hunt. Maybe yes to Stewart Bradley. Maybe a little more time in the passing game for Celek, just to get a better idea of what he has. As I write this I'm kind of changing my mind on Abiamiri. I need to know what he is. I don't see Abiamiri as a quick-burst defensive end with speed off the edge, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I see him as a solid, run-stopping, stout defensive end who needs to improve his technique.
:-D
Just out of curiosity, isn't the team projected to have massive amounts of cap space this year?
Quote from: rjs246 on December 04, 2007, 04:52:29 PM
Just out of curiosity, isn't the team projected to have massive amounts of cap space EVERY year?
yes
they should have over 20 mil in space going into this offseason
however the first thing they should do...and i mean like right after the buffalo game....is restructure westbrook...and give him a fat sb...hes the only stud on the team and he is grossly underpaid...not to mention it would sooth any hard feelings over the 3 mil as well as send a message that would go over very well in the locker room
Despite the fact that Westbrook is woefully underpaid he still begs for the ball from the fat man. And I mean every week he pleads for them to give him the ball 25-30 times as a running back yet they almost never oblige. That says all you need to know about his worth to the team not to mention the quality of character he possesses.
Reid is almost pathological with his stubbornness and it's getting to a point where rage over the situation is turning into apathetic resignation that things will never change.
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spads took his mic and went home....good stuff
so what did he do with the portable table and folding chairs (the studio)?
he wheeled them 20 ft and said he was reporting from a remote location :P
I caught the archive of yesterday's show. The caller is a moron and deserved it, but Dave is just sitting there getting madder then all of a sudden he just jumps at the camera and goes off. Funny ish. After that he calms down and they cut the show off because Andy needed the room for a meeting.
Replay, pt 1 (http://philadelphiaeagles.com/includes/iframes/multimedia_video.asp?mm_file_id=4864&is_home=y&play_clip=y)
There's no time markers so I can't pinpoint an exact moment, but it's about 2/3 of the way in, caller named Jerry, about 8 minutes in after Jerry claims Feeley started in San Diego (no) and McNabb is 100%...
It happens at 39:38. Good shtein. That dude was a douche. I would flip shtein too if that icehole kept cutting me off.
Quote from: Eaglez on December 04, 2007, 08:34:16 PM
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Quote from: Don Ho on December 03, 2007, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2007, 02:46:05 PM
spads took his mic and went home....good stuff
so what did he do with the portable table and folding chairs (the studio)?
he wheeled them 20 ft and said he was reporting from a remote location :P
I caught the archive of yesterday's show. The caller is a moron and deserved it, but Dave is just sitting there getting madder then all of a sudden he just jumps at the camera and goes off. Funny ish. After that he calms down and they cut the show off because Andy needed the room for a meeting.
Replay, pt 1 (http://philadelphiaeagles.com/includes/iframes/multimedia_video.asp?mm_file_id=4864&is_home=y&play_clip=y)
There's no time markers so I can't pinpoint an exact moment, but it's about 2/3 of the way in, caller named Jerry, about 8 minutes in after Jerry claims Feeley started in San Diego (no) and McNabb is 100%...
It happens at 39:38. Good shtein. That dude was a douche. I would flip shtein too if that icehole kept cutting me off.
That shtein was awesome. Just the LOOK on Dave's face was awesome. That's classic right there.
You know it's bad when Sparado loses it.
By the way, I'm gonna observe sobriety for a while after last Sunday. I'm just now recovered enough to not fall out after work.
The Seahawk game sucked. Bring on Kolb, either he can do it or not. It can't get much worse than 5 int's. Whats the sense in driving downfield to throw the ball away. Ray Charles could see three of those passes would be picked, and he's blind and dead.
PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE
Quote from: shorebird on December 05, 2007, 05:55:35 AM
By the way, I'm gonna observe sobriety for a while after last Sunday.
Whats the sense in driving downfield to throw the ball away. Ray Charles could see three of those passes would be picked, and he's blind and dead.
Observing sobriety is fun. Like getting blasted and observing guys at the bar with ginger ale because they got a DUI and can't drink.
It makes alot of sense driving down field to throw the ball away. If you do it in your own end the other team gets much better field position. AR = genius
Domo is on point on this one. Maybe a little long, but good. Sad truth on the path Andy has led this team on.
Window Dressing (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20071205_Paul_Domowitch___WINDOW_DRESSING.html)
QuotePaul Domowitch | WINDOW DRESSING
Birds' window of opportunity closed this year and needs plenty of work for future
Philadelphia Daily News
EVER SINCE Andy Reid's Eagles came up five points short in their first NFC Championship Game appearance against the St. Louis Rams in January 2002, the fans and the media have spent a good amount of time wondering aloud just how long the window of Super Bowl opportunity would remain open for this team.
With each close-but-no-cigar finish, with each departure of yet another popular player, there would be an offseason rush to declare the window closed, only to have the Eagles rack up another double-digit-win season, another division title, another shot at the ever-elusive grand prize.
But there will be no double-digit-win season or division title this year. And while the numbers say their playoff hopes aren't yet dead, it's only a matter of time.
After that, the fans and the media won't be the only ones asking the window question. The Eagles also will be wondering it.
Two years ago, when they slipped to 6-10, they viewed it as an aberration caused by a head-case wide receiver and an injured quarterback. Their fifth division title in 6 years last season proved them correct. This time around, well, they're not so sure.
Even with their quarterback still recovering from a serious knee injury, they went into this season thinking they had as talented a team as any in the Andy Reid era.
Once the season is over, whether they finish 6-10 or 7-9 or 8-8, they need to step back and honestly evaluate the caliber of team they have and figure out where they go from here; figure out whether the window is completely shut or still is open a crack.
They clearly have miscalculated the ability of some of their players. Free-agent defensive ends Jevon Kearse (8 years, $66 million, $16 million signing bonus) and Darren Howard (6 years, $25.1 million, $3.55 million signing bonus) both have been major disappointments. Neither will be back in '08. Too many high draft picks, such as defensive end Jerome McDougle (first round, '03), linebacker Matt McCoy (second round, '05) and cornerback Matt Ware (third round, '04) have been flops.
The lack of productivity from Kearse and Howard has put added pressure on ends Trent Cole and Juqua Thomas, who are good players, but aren't built to be 50-snap-a-game ends. Rookie second-rounder Victor Abiamiri will contribute a lot more next year than he has this year (inactive for eight of 12 games). But they need to find somebody to rotate with Cole on the right side.
The secondary is a major concern. Free safety Brian Dawkins is 34. Strong safety Sean Considine suffered his second major shoulder injury in 3 years last month and is on injured reserve. A safety with a history of shoulder injuries is a bigger risk than a race car driver with double vision. Quintin Mikell, who filled in for Dawkins when he was hurt earlier this season and replaced Considine after he went down, isn't really an ideal long-term answer at either safety spot.
Their best cornerback, Lito Sheppard, hasn't played a full season since 2003 and has missed 14 of the Eagles' last 36 games with injuries. Their other starting corner, Sheldon Brown, will be 29 in March.
Will James, who opened the season as the team's No. 3 corner and is their only cover guy with any size, has been a bust. He'll be a free agent and isn't expected to be re-signed. Their other corner, Joselio Hanson, also will be a free agent.
On offense, tight end L.J. Smith will be a free agent and isn't likely to be back unless the team puts the franchise tag on him. Smith is considered the top free-agent tight end on the '08 market, according to three different personnel people.
The Eagles' two dependable, longtime tackles, Jon Runyan and William Thomas, are nearing the end of their careers. Both have played pretty well this season, but Runyan is 34 and Thomas is 33. Both have another year left on their contracts and probably will be back, though Thomas' $5.45 million '08 salary will prompt the Eagles to consider going with '06 second-round pick Winston Justice next year, even if they haven't burned the film from the first Giants game.
And not to be a wet blanket with respect to running back Brian Westbrook, who is having an MVP-worthy season. But his biological clock is beginning to tick. He will turn 29 before the start of next season. There's also the matter of locating a real, live, can-take-it-to-the-house-every-time-he-touches-it return man.
And God knows what's going to happen with the quarterback situation. If the Eagles come to the conclusion that the Super Bowl window still is open, it seems incomprehensible that they would deal Donovan McNabb in the offseason and pencil in green Kevin Kolb as their season-opening starter.
Money wouldn't seem to be a motivation for getting rid of McNabb. His '07 salary-cap number, including his $5.5 million base salary, is $8.6 million, which is a bargain for a five-time Pro Bowler. Next year, his base and cap number only increase $800,000.
The good news is the Eagles have the ammunition to get back on track. Whether they can shoot bull's-eyes with that ammunition, well, that's another story for another day.
The salary cap will increase from $109 million to $116 million per team in 2008. The Eagles, who didn't have a lot of cap space during the '07 free- agency signing period, will have considerably more this time around. Enough to be a player.
Unloading Kearse and Howard will only increase that cap space. According to league sources, the Eagles will take a $5.7 million cap hit if/when they pull the plug on Kearse and Howard. But the pair are scheduled to receive a total of $8.96 million in salary in '08. So the Eagles actually will save $3.26 million in cap space by releasing them.
The bad news is this isn't going to be a great free-agent market. There are a lot of appetizing names out there right now, such as Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel and wide receiver Randy Moss, Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen, and Colts tight end Dallas Clark and safety Bob Sanders. But almost all of the big names are expected to be re-signed by their current teams by the time the free-agency signing period kicks off in March.
The Eagles also will have a lot of draft picks, possibly as many as 12 or 13 depending on how many compensatory picks they receive in March for the free agents they lost after the '06 season. But again, they can't blow these picks on the Matt McCoys and Jerome McDougles of the world. They've got to find players who can step in and play.
Window open? Window closed? This much is clear: The balance of power has shifted this season in both the NFC and the NFC East. The road to the Super Bowl goes through Dallas this year and probably for at least a couple of more years to come.
Before the Eagles can dream the gold-standard dream again, they first need to get good enough to get past the Cowboys.
even tho he didnt say anything that hasnt been known for several years now domo is the best writer in the city not named bill conlin
The two scariest parts of the article revolve around the most consistent CB (Brown) and only true playmaker (Westbrook) not getting any younger. Honestly, those two guys have to be considered building blocks, even if Brown is occasionally inconsistent and doesn't make game-changing plays. If Westbrook and/or Brown start losing a step, the window is firmly shut.
12 or 13 draft picks? Jesus god that is going to be a train wreck.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 05, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
12 or 13 draft picks? Jesus god that is going to be a train wreck.
Over/under on how many non-black linebackers drafted? 5.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 05, 2007, 08:53:38 AM
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The bad news is this isn't going to be a great free-agent market. There are a lot of appetizing names out there right now, such as Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel and wide receiver Randy Moss, Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen, and Colts tight end Dallas Clark and safety Bob Sanders. [/b]
I have no problem with any and/or all of those.
In fact...
GET MOSS, ASOMUGHA, ALLEN, CLARK AND SANDERS
And Samuel?
but the problem is these guys most likely will not even hit the market.
if they somehow do i have no confidence in this FO to actually go and get some of these players.
they will promote winston justice even if he is not the answer.
same with mikell (he is not terrible but still).
they will claim they are fine at corner with hanson and graham and let go off james.
they will say they are fine at DE with cole, thomas, and promote abiamari even if he is not good enough.
they will chalk this season up to mcnabb not being healthy and go into next season again with a false sense of confidence. only if the eagles fail again next season will they even consider making the moves they need to.
Lots of money and lots of draft picks will still lead me to the false hope that they will do something interesting this off-season. The free agent/trade possibilities will definitely be too much for my normally rational brain to overcome.
theres really only one question that exists right now....and that is where is kevin cobb in terms of his development and what do they intend to do at qb next year
if you go with mcnabb then you attempt to add to the current veterans however if you go with cobb then you can blow it up if you choose
from that list of players who might become available .. BOB SANDERS!!
Is Terrell Suggs coming free?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 05, 2007, 10:27:28 AM
but the problem is these guys most likely will not even hit the market.
if they somehow do i have no confidence in this FO to actually go and get some of these players.
they will promote winston justice even if he is not the answer.
same with mikell (he is not terrible but still).
they will claim they are fine at corner with hanson and graham and let go off james.
they will say they are fine at DE with cole, thomas, and promote abiamari even if he is not good enough.
they will chalk this season up to mcnabb not being healthy and go into next season again with a false sense of confidence. only if the eagles fail again next season will they even consider making the moves they need to.
) I do think some of those players will hit the market
2) couldnt agree more with the rest and the stadium will be packed liked sardines every game regardless
you mean the all the tickets will be sold....the stadium is already not packed...a 6-10 or 7-9 finsih this year and its gonna only get worse....be interesting to see how many giant fans are there this week
i observe that me and igy will hug upon meeting on sunday. no touchy stuff though, sport.
Quote from: MDS on December 05, 2007, 02:22:10 PM
i observe that me and igy will hug upon meeting on sunday. no touchy stuff though, sport.
make a nice xmas card.
Quote from: MDS on December 05, 2007, 02:22:10 PM
i observe that me and igy will hug upon meeting on sunday. no touchy stuff though, sport.
no hug...all i wanna do is pinch the lil guys cheek and tug at his ear
what about some kind of gang handshake since we're both from the hood?
Another market besides the draft and FAs are teams that want to trade someone or a player that insists on being traded. If the Eagles are ever going to get back to, much less win a SB, they are probably going to need a true #1 WR . That will take at least 2-3 years to develop from a rookie not to mention a bit of luck. FA's of this caliber probably won't hit the market unless they have alot of baggage. There has been some talk that Chad Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, or even Roy Williams could be had. I think there's a decent chance at least one of those becomes available this year. Whether the FO will bite is another story, but they might have some trade bait.
The best thing they could do for Kolb if they go with him is get him a true no.1 receiver. Of the ones Eagaholic mentioned, I like Roy Williams.
This team can't draft very well. Like rjs said, all those picks are a train wreck waiting to happen. I just don't have much faith in Reid drafting pro-bowlers at any other position other than lineman that will make an impact.
Best thing for this team is to lose out and make the odds better for the first round pick.
i would love for Kolb to get a true #1 WR but you just know it will not happen. no matter what.
im starting to believe the TO deal was more of TO wanting to play for Philly and Donovan talking him up.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 06, 2007, 07:24:59 AM
im starting to believe the TO deal was more of TO wanting to play for Philly and Donovan talking him up.
Yep... remember, TO was stored away in Baltimore and Andy was sitting there with his dick in his hands. TO was the one who made the big stink and kept mentioning Philly... which made both the Niners and the Ravens approach the Eagles about the trade.
In no way was Andy the agressor in that move.
He was all set to throw the tremendous trio of Thrash, Pinkston and McMullen out there for opposing defenses to deal with.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 06, 2007, 07:47:58 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 06, 2007, 07:24:59 AM
im starting to believe the TO deal was more of TO wanting to play for Philly and Donovan talking him up.
Yep... remember, TO was stored away in Baltimore and Andy was sitting there with his dick in his hands. TO was the one who made the big stink and kept mentioning Philly... which made both the Niners and the Ravens approach the Eagles about the trade.
In no way was Andy the agressor in that move.
He was all set to throw the tremendous trio of Thrash, Pinkston and McMullen out there for opposing defenses to deal with.
how dare you forget freddie mitchell.
how dare you? esp since that was the off season after the 4rth 26 play. again...how dare you?
wow ike reese was just on wip and said people on the team have told him that westbrook put himself in the game last week for that punt return...andy wasnt going to do it but westbrook was tired of not touching the ball in the 4th quarter and wanted to do something
no shtein....if that's true, it's another reason why andy should be fired
i think the big story here is that andy has players on the team that are not just talking to an outsider with this kind of 411 but also letting him go on the radio with it...sounds like andy has completely lost the team
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2007, 08:47:34 AM
wow ike reese was just on wip and said people on the team have told him that westbrook put himself in the game last week for that punt return...andy wasnt going to do it but westbrook was tired of not touching the ball in the 4th quarter and wanted to do something
that is f-in unbelievable. the eagles dont deserve him
farg Andy Reid. Unfargingreal.
The best that one can hope for - given Reid won't step down - is for Lurie to hire a decent GM. No, that doesn't change game day, but just maybe the team can finally get the dismal talent acquisition process fixed.
Lurie and Andy have a plausible spin in a "Andy is working too hard/family" shtein, but it will require Christina to let Jeffy have his pair out of the box by the nightstand for a few hours. Losing-out will be helpful.
The alternative of more of the last three years is just to painful to contemplate.
Assuming the Eagles could've gotten Kolb at the Abaramiri pick, it really annoys me to think that they could've made the same trade with the Niners that the Pats did.
the Pats got the Niners 2007 4th, and 2008 1st, and the Niners got the 28th pick overall. the Eagles had the 26th overall, they might have been able to make that 4th a 3rd, even if not, it would be a huge trade for them now.
Abaramiri has barely played and will probably be nothing special. and who even knows about Kolb compared to Beck, etc...assuming you HAD to take qb with your 2nd round pick. something i'm not even sure you had to do.
If that story about Westbrook is true then Reid's ass should be shown the door right farging now.
The only thing I can figure is Lurie's on the hook for millions to Reid and he's not going to eat those millions just to improve the team.
just to be clear on ikes story...reid didnt tell westbrook not to go in and westbrook went anyway...westbrook went up to reid and said something to the effect of put me in/im going in and reid did it
Who cares?
Reid's seeming reluctance to do it with the game/season hanging in the balance is enough for me to have fired his ass right there, IGY.
He either doesn't get it (which is bad) or does get it and refuses to do what is necessary to win at whatever the cost (which is worse).
its just funny..sad really... that Westbrook had to tell him and Andy didnt think of it first.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 06, 2007, 12:16:31 PM
Who cares?
Reid's seeming reluctance to do it with the game/season hanging in the balance is enough for me to have fired his ass right there, IGY.
He either doesn't get it (which is bad) or does get it and refuses to do what is necessary to win at whatever the cost (which is worse).
i agree i just wanted to to be clear that i wasnt trying to make it look like the players were in a full scale revolt and be accused of making up shtein simply to hate on the team
Westbrook's defiance is the first step, next step is oxycontin
Didnt westbrook say in the offseason that he would rather not return punts anymore?
he said he didnt wanna do it full time
i didn't see it live, but apparently Tiki called out Westbrook on NBC Sunday night saying he "quit on the team" by running out of bounds on the punt return.
i guess if anybody is qualified to know about quitting on a team it's Tiki, but what the farg, did he even watch the play?
I just watched the Spads video. Hilarious is not the word...
It reminded me of those videos where you stare at the screen, looking for something, and that hideous face and scream jump out, making you shtein your pants. Yep, it was just like that.
Quote from: SunMo on December 06, 2007, 02:26:19 PM
i didn't see it live, but apparently Tiki called out Westbrook on NBC Sunday night saying he "quit on the team" by running out of bounds on the punt return.
i guess if anybody is qualified to know about quitting on a team it's Tiki, but what the farg, did he even watch the play?
I guess Tiki didnt see dude charging in on the right ready to zone in on him. Tiki's smart
Banner is on Eskin's show right now
i missed the second half of it as i had to leave work....heard mostly eskin softballs...anything noteworthy happen with the caller questions easy
I didn't listen to it so I'm just getting notes from EMB:
-- Reid will return as the head coach in 2008
-- "I can't envision a situation where Donovan won't be our QB next year."
-- clearly made mistakes in all areas of talent evaluation, draft, FA, player development
-- attempted to sign Hood during last season before FA. Offered a contract larger than Arizona but Rod wanted to be a starter
-- says they couldn't just give Westbrook the extra $3M because they had to follow the contract that was signed. If Westbrook wants to renegotiate, they'll be OK with that. Nothing from Westbrook or his agent yet
-- Kolb, Bradley and Celek together will be better than Anthony Spencer when you look back
-- Curtis was a long term solution. Healthier. Comparable to Stallworth. Stallworth thought he proved that he deserved a mega-long-term deal. The Eagles didn't.
-- "The league passes to score and runs to kill the clock."
-- Enough cap room to sign who they want
-- Reid/Heckert never approached him about the possibilities of getting Randy Moss
Sounds like most of the caller questions were asking about drafting a safety, getting a WR, etc., which is Reid and Heckert's area, not his...
1. Knew it would happen, because he's never getting fired. The only hope is his resignation. I will be rooting for his sons to farg up again.
2. Good. McNabb needs to stay put
3. Can't fault them there, even though I thought Hood sucked last year.
4. I'll believe that shtein (re-doing the deal) when I see it. Unless they've had a drastic change in philosophy about players who have already signed a deal getting another deal done. They never do that shtein. They'd be smart to make Westbrook a very happy man. But they won't because they are dumbasses
5. Talk to us in 4 years or so, Joe. But I am not a Spencer fan, so it doesnt bother me that much
6. Hated to see Stallworth leave, but Curtis has been an acceptable replacement thus far
7. Absolute and utter bullshtein. Well, it may be true to some extent, but other teams throw SMARTLY! This team just throws for the farg of it.
8. Okay, so sign someone who actually can farging PLAY
9. No shtein? We all knew that ourselves without him saying it because TO poisoned the waters for malcontents or potential malcontents on this team
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 06, 2007, 07:49:56 PM-- attempted to sign Hood during last season before FA. Offered a contract larger than Arizona but Rod wanted to be a starter
yeah, right. I'll believe that only after Rod Hood says the same.
money>starting
especially when you're a nickel back who's already on the field plenty, and first in line should either of the two starters go down...
Quote from: Diomedes on December 06, 2007, 10:31:40 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 06, 2007, 07:49:56 PM-- attempted to sign Hood during last season before FA. Offered a contract larger than Arizona but Rod wanted to be a starter
yeah, right. I'll believe that only after Rod Hood says the same.
EXACTLY.....i said the same thing when i heard the interview...when i hear rod hood say this ill believe it
every single thing banner says you pretty much have to take his word for it to be true...and then the other stuff....like talent evaluation...his same answer is always "well you can argue that we hit some and missed some"...even tho they might have missed way more than they hit its true that they hit some and missed...its all a crock of shtein...i really really hate that man
i know most people here dont listen to wip or eskin but its the same with that dope....all he does is stick up for the eagles by saying "ive been told"....well youve been told by joe banner or andy reid....but it doesnt mean that what youve been told is true
-- "The league passes to score and runs to kill the clock." - the CFL?
-- Enough cap room to sign who they want - than farging do it Joe :boom
At this point I'm rooting for Andy's kids to get in trouble again and bust out of prison. Then there will be a state-wide manhunt and Andy will be forced to step down.
Andy doesn't care enough about his kids to step down because of them. He cares about football more. Specifically passing the football.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 06, 2007, 07:49:56 PM
-- says they couldn't just give Westbrook the extra $3M because they had to follow the contract that was signed. If Westbrook wants to renegotiate, they'll be OK with that. Nothing from Westbrook or his agent yet
Who here thinks Westbrook's agent got a raging boner when he heard that?
{raises hand}
I so hate this team right now
apparently hugh douglas mentioned that westbrook is absolutely not happy with his currect contract.
so i do not know whos telling the truth but im going to believe hugh about this one.
when theres two sides of a story look for the person who has the biggest reason to lie
in this case hugh douglas has no reason at all to lie
Westbrook has proven to be the most important player on the team by far and should receive a new contract this off-season. In fact, I would go as far as to say it should be the team's TOP priority.
Agreed. When the guy is pretty much carrying this organization on his back like he is right now... you damn sure better be open to renegotiations. Really can't afford to piss the guy off. Westbrook shows to be a high character guy and all but... the FO doesn't need to be showing it's ass on this one.
If the Eagles give Westbrook a new contract the first thing that will happen will be that he gets hurt.
I know God, and that's how he works.
He'll get hurt whether he gets a new contract or not. It's part of his yearly cycle. He still needs to be paid.
Gold - Standard
The Birds FO will run Westbrook to hold-out and then right out of town. This would not surprise me one bit.
Sal Pal with the conspiracy theories on DNL....wants to know why Banner declared that Reid will be the coach but used a double negative when describing McNabb's situation. He was going nuts because Banner said "I can't envision a situation where Donovan won't be our QB next year" instead of saying "McNabb will be the QB". f'ing Sal
its not a conspiracy its out there for everyone to see...banner left it wide open for mcnabb to not be the qb next year...as of thursday dec 6, 2007 he couldnt envision a scenario where mcnabb isnt the qb...lets see if a scenario where he isnt the qb arises say april 6, 2007
banner had to come out in support of mcnabb...if he doesnt mcnabb goes into hissy fit mode and the shtein blows up big time...but once the season ends all bets are off
banner did what every good politician does...made a strong statement while at the same time leaving plenty of wiggle room
ok so the eagles have a better shot at the playoffs than we think...even if they lose to dallas
lets assume they lose to dallas and win their other three games and end at 8-8
they have five teams they are competing with for the last spot
detroit 6-6 = done....injuries have ended them and they still have dallas and gb left...plus eagles have a tie break over them
taterskins 6-7 = done....two words todd collins
arizona 6-6 = biggest problem as they are a game ahead and the birds have no tiebreak...still have to go to sea and have a huge game at no...its essential that the saints win this game
minn 6-6 = playing well right now and have a failry easy schedule but the birds hold the tie break and only have to tie them
saints 5-7 = done...reggie bush out for the year tough schedule and the birds play them head to head
anyone on this bandwagon with me?
farg you...
Joe Banner just read that and pushed the big red button in his office that prints out playoff invoices
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2007, 07:47:39 PM
ok so the eagles have a better shot at the playoffs than we think...even if they lose to dallas
lets assume they lose to dallas and win their other three games and end at 8-8
they have five teams they are competing with for the last spot
detroit 6-6 = done....injuries have ended them and they still have dallas and gb left...plus eagles have a tie break over them
taterskins 6-7 = done....two words todd collins
arizona 6-6 = biggest problem as they are a game ahead and the birds have no tiebreak...still have to go to sea and have a huge game at no...its essential that the saints win this game
minn 6-6 = playing well right now and have a failry easy schedule but the birds hold the tie break and only have to tie them
saints 5-7 = done...reggie bush out for the year tough schedule and the birds play them head to head
anyone on this bandwagon with me?
Foshizzle man, I'm all in. You got mad support from illinois, we representin your thoughts man. I luv me sum reid!
you know
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 07, 2007, 07:06:25 PM
Sal Pal with the conspiracy theories on DNL....wants to know why Banner declared that Reid will be the coach but used a double negative when describing McNabb's situation. He was going nuts because Banner said "I can't envision a situation where Donovan won't be our QB next year" instead of saying "McNabb will be the QB". f'ing Sal
Wow. That seriously is terrible. The other options were:
I can envision a situation where Donovan won't be our QB next year.
I can't envision a situation where Donovan will be our QB next year.
Both options are the same. Banner said the right thing. Sal is a farging retard.
McNabb is the talk in Chicagoland, especially now that sexy rexy is gone for the year. Everyone keeps on asking me about it. I am just telling them it sounds like a done deal just to get their hopes up, the smile it brings to their face makes me laugh. >:D
Let me paraphrase for those who don't understand what Sal is talking about:
"I can't think of a reason to trade McNabb, but I'm working on it"
so a little review of the games that effect the eagles playoff run and their importance
wash or chi loses - very important - check
phi beats nyg - ultra important
sea beats arz - ultra important
dal beats det - very important
sf beats minn - not important
atl beats no - not important
I like this bandwagon. I'm on.
Go Eagles.
Die, playoffs, die.
i don't want to be on the bandwagon, but there is 1 brain cell, buried deep in my head that still thinks that they could sneak into the playoffs and all of the sudden the offense could click and they could be a problem to deal with
i'm working on killing that brain cell this weekend.
Is that the same brain cell that prompted you to farg fat chicks in college?
Die, brain cell, dieeeeeeeee!
I can't figure out if this IGY bandwagon thing is a mockery or for real....
Oh, it's for real. It all starts with beating NY tomorrow.
oh its real
whats the point of watching the game if you dont have hope...i get up at 4am every sunday to go up to philly for the games and god dammit i need something to watch for...plus theres way too many haters on this board
i know you want in phreak
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2007, 10:53:15 AM
plus theres way too many haters on this board
the king hates his subjects
I'm on because...why not? What else am I gonna root for as I run my errands?
Oh farg. Beer goggles at two am, answering the call from crazy ex who you just got over, buying a lottery ticket along with the marlboro lights, beef jerky and plastic wrapped magazine. No, it only blows blue when you first start it up. C'mon, she's really cute, the four of us will have a great time....
Yeah, sure, I'm in. In for a penny in for a pound. Your late season inspiration and hope must be some manifestation of the coming holidays. How else to explain it?
farg I hate this team.
^^^
:CF Poet Laureate?
Bukowski?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2007, 10:53:15 AM
plus theres way too many haters on this board
Wow. I literally read this sentence 5 times and I'm still not sure I read it correctly. :-D
I am NOT on the playoff bandwagon. farg you all.
I'm on the haul the bandwagon into the garage and rebuild it for next year bandwagon.
A wildcard berth just means nothing radical will be done to shake up this team.
Likely true. All the same...It will be more fun to read the game thread tonight if I pretend care about it now.
I'm rooting for the Eagles as always, but if we back into the playoffs all it does is line Lurie's pockets for the one game played, and screw a higher draft pick. The higher we pick the less chance Reid has of farging it up.
This team is not winning the Superbowl and would be very lucky to go one win deep in the playoffs if they even make it there.
Am I only one who thinks "nothing radical will be done to shake up this team" even if they lose all their remaining games? Might as well win them.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 09, 2007, 11:10:28 AM
Am I only one who thinks "nothing radical will be done to shake up this team" even if they lose all their remaining games? Might as well win them.
i do.
they will chalk it up to injuries or whatever. they did after 05.
how about a draft bandwagon?
I'm officially offering a $$ bounty on Andy Reid's femoral artery.
Andy's kids will do anything for some pills. Pay them a visit and make your offer.
Looks like the 2 flex games on the 2008 schedule will be Atlanta at home and Chicago on the road
Well, well, well. What ugly truths have we learned this season?
1.) Reid places no premium on talent over "system".
2.) Yet for a team that relies on "system", it remains unfathomably inept on gameday.
3.) Reids love of the "big play" has pathological qualities.
4.) McNabb is no longer the QB he once was, if he ever was, and regardless, if #'s one through three remain, he certainly is no longer a QB who can be successful on this team.
5.) Reids son has an amazingly versatile rectum.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 09, 2007, 04:54:24 PM
Looks like the 2 flex games on the 2008 schedule will be Atlanta at home and Chicago on the road
So they'll face McNabb either way. Because sadly he'll be playing in one of those cities next year.
JackStraw couldn't be more wrong. McNabb is still a premier QB.
Donovan looked good in two series and wretched in all the rest. Not surprisingly his "weapons" mirrored his play.
Wretched because of his WRs, Head Coach and OC not doing their jobs. He had time to throw but no one to throw to. The story of his career sans 2004.
How many poor passes did we see today? How many high, hard to catch with zero RAC opportunity? How many held-the-ball-too-long plays ending in scrambles he once eluded but now only looks lumbering and uncertain?
I'm sorry, but this is all I've seen this year from him. Is he the main problem? Likely not, but his present diminished skills coupled with his historic lack of accuracy and touch render him wrong for this current version of the Eagles.
Sure, odds are they'll be even worse at QB once he is gone as this is how things go around here for years on end - periods of "close" punctuated by long stretches of mediocre-to-bad - but just because the alternative is worse doesn't prove the present is best.
Randall was perhaps as flawed yet him remaining would have made no difference as the slide into the mid-90's went unabated propelled by zesty management.
He was dumber than shtein to not throw the ball away twice; he does that alot and always has.
However, his receivers gave him nothing today. Nothing at all.
He'll go, and he'll have anoher great 5 years after he leaves here. And we'll be stuck with slop. Again. Just like before he came here.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 09, 2007, 05:07:49 PM
Wretched because of his WRs, Head Coach and OC not doing their jobs. He had time to throw but no one to throw to. The story of his career sans 2004.
I'm not disagreeing with you on that point. But McNabb has played much better with less in the past. He's not the quarterback he was in 2000-2003 because a lot of his physical abilities have eroded. There's simply no disputing that.
We need to see what Kolb can do before the season is out.
Please shut the farg up about Kolb. He'll do no better than a 10 year veteran would with the absence of weapons at his disposal.
That is certainly possible, but you don't know. Seeing what Kolb can do is an absolute must. Regardless of what Banner said, McNabb's future is still up in the air. You can't go into 2008 without McNabb unless Kolb has proven he can play. Otherwise you've just basically told that fans that 2008 is a wash.
Kolb's not playing in 2008. McNabb will be the quarterback in 2008 unless he gimps out again. And then A.J. would get the call.
Most likely McNabb will be back. But things can certainly change if McNabb plays out the rest of the season and plays very mediocre and/or a team blows away the Eagles with an offer in the offseason.
Just say for a second that a team that desperately needs a QB offers a first and a player for McNabb. Stranger things have happened after all. Are you telling me that after a very mediocre season, going back to 2006 even, that the Eagles don't highly consider it?
This team just can't move the ball with McNabb. Feeley turned the ball over too much, but at least with Feeley the team could sustain a farging drive.
it's stupid to not at least play Kolb in the Buffalo game, get him in a real game, see what he does.
Donovan was putrid today. he drops back in the pocket and immediately starts bouncing around, probably what leads to his terrible passes. every catch is an amazing catch by the receivers because Donovan can't deliver a simple pass.
Quote from: SunMo on December 09, 2007, 07:01:01 PM
it's stupid to not at least play Kolb in the Buffalo game, get him in a real game, see what he does.
Then prepare for stupid because barring injury McNabb will start that game. No way will the Eagles organization want to pour fuel onto the fire of nine months of QB controversy.
there's going to be controversy no matter what they do. kevin kolb winning a meaningless game against the buffalo bills in week 17 won't do anything to change that either way.
I can't see why anyone would want to watch Kolb the way the rest of the offense is playing right now. There's Westbrook and then there's absolutely nothing else. The receivers got zero separation today and unless Reid has Kolb setting up in the shotgun on every down it will be a catastrophe.
Who the farg needs that? Why destroy a kid's confidence when he has almost no chance to succeed with the garbage he has around him?
Curtis was open on several occasions. And i know this because i foolishly started him in a fantasy league today and watched him.
the receivers were absolutely open at times, donovan was holding the ball an obscenely long time
Th QB controversy exists in this town no matter what; look no further than 2002 when AJ came in and McNabb was only 3 years into his career. So playing Kolb would have zero effect on what the media and fans say because it happens here regardless.
But I still would not play him unless McNabb is hurt. Donovan is this team's QB. As it should be. Have his skills declined? Yep, that happens with everyone. But I still believe that he is a premier QB in this league and it would be dumb as farg to trade him and start all over.
i'm not saying that if you start him against buffalo you are making him your #1 permanently.
it's a meaningless game, start the kid and let's see what he can do in real action, you are rarely afforded such an opportunity.
Spadaro states the obvious again (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14704&spadaro=1)
Still, it's weird to see him telling the truth.
Probably doesn't mean anything, but based on strength of schedule, the Eagles have had the toughest schedule in the NFL (combined 120-87). On the opposite end, Seattle's SOS is 82-125...
The point a lot of folks overlook is that this current regime will NOT last forever. McNabb's going to be gone one day (sooner rather than later if you look at it objectively) and just saying that no one will be better than his current suckiness is retarded. Sorry, but it is. The Eagles WILL move on from McNabb. Maybe that'll be with Kolb, maybe not, but he has to play before anyone will know.
Any blanket statements about how Kolb will or won't perform are equally retarded. No one can know how any QB will play until they actually play.
McNabb *could* be a good QB in a system that fits him... that's never going to happen while Reid's the coach and McNabb will go before Reid, bet on it. So, I'd like to see Kolb actually play in a real game before I say he sucks. Who was Kurt Warner before he had a chance to start? What about Brady, or Rothelisberger...? Until they actually play you don't know, so I wish you nits would stop saying McNabb's the best the Eagles are going to have. You don't farging know that so give it a rest already.
Eagles open as a 10-pt underdog at Dallas, O/U 49. Buck/Aikman will call the game...
i observe that the eagles suck. and seeing you all in real life ruined the comical mental pictures i had of you, except for die hard. that was dead on.
Quote from: MDS on December 09, 2007, 10:19:04 PM
i observe that the eagles suck. and seeing you all in real life ruined the comical mental pictures i had of you, except for die hard. that was dead on.
That's because his picture has been posted on here 1000 times. Dummy.
i dont think cobb plays this year because i dont think hes ready to play in the nfl...if he was they would have demoted feely and made cobb the backup...cobb is john beck right now...imo basically someone that has no business playing in a real nfl game right now..
thus i prefer that cobb not play this year but if he does then it needs to be a for a full game after a week of getting starter reps in practice...he shouldnt be thrown in at halftime of the buffalo game...or get a quarter of a dallas blowout...
then when the season ends make the decision...either mcnabb comes back and cobb is the #2 or mcnabb goes and all offseason is geared towards cobb being the future of the team
mcnabb is simply horrible right now...i dont know how much of it is confidence in his knee whether to take a hit or simply be able to do what needs to be to make plays...that could be planting it to throw or it could be running on it...hes so hesitant right now its ridiculous that it leads me to believe hes mentally not there due to injury...
but dont get it twisted he is getting no help as the wr's are so pedestrian and andy refuses to play to his strengths of having a strong arm and going down field more...or even giving him more crossing routes...its all short slants and hooks...throws that require great accuracy...which isnt mcnabbs strong suit anyway and even more so now
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2007, 08:18:55 AM
so a little review update of the games that effect the eagles playoff run and their importance
wash or chi loses - very important - check
sea beats arz - ultra important - check
dal beats det - very important - check
sf beats minn - not important - check
atl beats no - not important -
phi beats nyg - ultra important - FAIL
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i tried
i blame the loss on all the people that refused to jump in
everything goes right, except of course the Eagles. fitting.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 10, 2007, 08:02:44 AM
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i tried
i blame the loss on all the people that refused to jump in
I wanted to be there with ya... really did. I just know how this team continually stabs you right in the farging heart and twists to make it all the more painful.
Couldn't set myself up for it again.
why anyone has hope and was pulling for them to have a chance is beyond me. this team needs to stay on track and keep sucking so something can be done. there is no more hope in my mind that reid can turn this around. the players need to stop being so damn brainwashed and the leaders need to step up and speak their mind cause the ships been sinking for years now and its about sunk. major change is needed priority number one. the game plan is washed up, just like the play callers and some of the players. i'd love to make a list of what i want changed, but i'd be here all day. some sort of major shift needs to happen in the off season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2007, 10:53:15 AM
oh its real
whats the point of watching the game if you dont have hope...i get up at 4am every sunday to go up to philly for the games and god dammit i need something to watch for...plus theres way too many haters on this board
i know you want in phreak
It's strange for you to be saying that. Obviously I didn't get involved in the conversation here because I wasn't around, but I don't think I get what you think of as a hater? It's pretty easy to see the writing on the wall in terms of being a realist about this team. Doesn't mean you don't still root for them and look for something to enjoy in the games. I think you're just stirring the pot...
He never does that, dude.
P.S. I'm on my way to Logan, and I just found out my flight was delayed. We should totally hang out!
Get some oysters at the Legal Seafood in the airport and STOP CALLING ME. Weirdo.
Why are you telling me to eat an aphrodesiac? Psycho.
We were already going to eat at Legal Seafoods, assface.
I just wanted you to get all aroused and hump a drug dog. Not that you really need oysters for that.
Probably not. Holla.
So, anyway, which players should the Eagles actually keep next year?
Stewart Bradley. After that, everyone is fair game.
Keep Reno!
if reno is on the team next season i will not root for them.
ok fine i will but i wont be happy about it.
if i never hear someone complain about reno again it will be to soon
that ship has sailed it is what it is
Ooooh, when I say "Reno", you say "Mahe"!
RENO!!!
MAHE!!!
RENO!!!
MAHE!!!
on another board, someone figured out how many times each quarterback for the Eagles has gotten sacked and they game to these averages:
this is since the Super Bowl
McNabb gets sacked 2.43 times per game
McMahon got sacked 1.88 times per game
Feeley got sacked 0.75 times per game
Garcia got sacked 0.50 times per game
He simply holds the ball too damn long. He used to be able to extend the play and force the ball into someone or run away from pressure, and he can't even do that anymore.
Sure, he holds the ball too long. That much is obvious.
Why does he hold the ball too long?
Because he can't read the coverages?
Because he can't make a decision?
Because he's thinking about how they booed him at the draft in 1999?
Quote from: Diomedes on December 11, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Why does he hold the ball too long?
Because he can't read the coverages?
Because he can't make a decision?
Because he's thinking about how they booed him at the draft in 1999?
All of the above, plus the fact that many years ago he was an elusive QB who could make something out of those broken plays, and he is too dumb/stubborn to adjust to his much more limited 2007 mobility.
philly games on sunday:
packers/rams
jags/steelers
eagles
id rather see pats/jets. why not.
I'll be watching from the home of a Cowboys fan, so I'll definitely be lobbying to switch the game over to Pats/Jets.
pats/jets is at 1. fox has the 415 national, most people get to see the eagles latest abortion
The Pats are playing a 1pm game? I don't think that's happened since Week 7.
jaws is on wip killing banner....saying he cant come on the radio like he did last week and say that the eagles receivers are fine and people are making to much of a deal about them not being that good
jaws says they simply cannot get off the line of scrimmage....that they have at best three number twos...and for this offense to be explosive you have to have a legit number one
also said he believes they will attempt to get one this offseason that no matter what they say they know they need one
jaws = my hero
So Jaws is saying what everyone here has been saying since 2005?
Yep - heroic.
youre someone whos opinion means less than nothing to the general population and are spitting on a message board population 17
jaws is on wip ripping banner....which is huge for him...not because hes a homer because he isnt but because he rarely kills people on air...hes normally pretty even keeled
Did you ever know that you're my herrrrrrrrrooooooo?
:-D
BTW: My opinion is everything to everyone so shut your filthy whore mouth, mister.
im just a fool to believe i have anything she needs...
good for jaws although someone could counter that and say he always sticks up for QBs not named vick.
i would love to have a outsider (like jaws) in the FO. someone who is not a yes man. wasnt jaws thinking about it at one point before they hired reid? or was it after reid?
also would like to add that a friend of mines claims he heard on some Atlanta ESPN radio show speculation about reid going to the falcons.
apparently reid and blank are close friends and if reid ever felt like moving on from philly, he would be welcome in atl.
its not even a rumor, just the guys talking about it.
Arthur Blank wouldn't be stupid enough to open his mouth publicly about Andy Reid because the NFL would land on him like a ton of bricks over tampering issues.
The report you're talking about is a rumor started by some hack in Atlanta. Like you said, it's nothing by rank speculation and pretty piss poor speculation at that.
Reid's going nowhere else in the NFL. We're stuck with him so we better just learn to live with it.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 12, 2007, 10:33:00 AM
good for jaws although someone could counter that and say he always sticks up for QBs not named vick.
i would love to have a outsider (like jaws) in the FO. someone who is not a yes man. wasnt jaws thinking about it at one point before they hired reid? or was it after reid?
actually he was really hard on mcnabb too...blamed him for the loss sunday and in general said he just isnt himself this year
good so he was not being biased. sometimes i catch him on tv favoring QBs way too much.
thats kind of his schtick...him and merril hoge go back and forth on qb vs rb passing game vs running game ect...he does it as a joke...but when he analyzes for real hes always fair imo
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 12, 2007, 10:25:45 AM
im just a fool to believe i have anything she needs...
Heartbeat...I'm looking for a heartbeat...
Seriously Jaws or whoever speaks out is cool, but it won't matter. No change will come. Nothing.
This is sad. Not one farging farg the motherfarging dallas cowpuke mother fargers. We are defeated. And I don't me we the Eagles, I mean we the 17 too-hard-headed-to-stop-caring fargers on this board.
Farging moitherfarging dallas Can't this farging team find a motherfarging way to stuff it in TO's piehole for one farging iota of redemption this mutherfarging season?
Didn't think so.
farg.
In spite of the fact that I think TO is a modern day Hitler, I want him to light the Eagles up this weekend for two reasons:
1. Watching him tear the defense apart will be more proof for this farging front office that they need a legitimate WR. Or at least we can all hope that they will see him and realize what he can do for an offense.
2. He's on my one and only successful fantasy football team and I'm in the semis. Cash rules everything around me.
Plus, the cash you collected from the league has long-since been spent.
No doubt.
If #1 made a difference I'd be all for it. But this ostrich-headed mutherfarging organization will wipe the cheerio juice off their lips after the game proclaiming all is well. We all know it.
#2 is cool. Profiting from this farging team's misery is all than can be left for any of us. Unfortunately this year, I've given up and already written my annual 2-game Dallas bet-check so no farging stocking stuffers for the haus frau this year.
I'm with you, rjs.
I have Romo, Owens, AND Folk on my one cash team that is doing well. I need big production, too.
But I can't stop loving this shirt:
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Quote from: JackStraw on December 13, 2007, 12:51:06 PM
If #1 made a difference I'd be all for it. But this ostrich-headed mutherfarging organization will wipe the cheerio juice off their lips after the game proclaiming all is well. We all know it.
you can almost make an argument that the better TO does the less chance they get a wr because the last thing they would ever do it have it look like TO success made them change their philosophy
Quote from: rjs246 on December 13, 2007, 12:35:33 PM
In spite of the fact that I think TO is a modern day Hitler, I want him to light the Eagles up this weekend for two reasons:
1. Watching him tear the defense apart will be more proof for this farging front office that they need a legitimate WR. Or at least we can all hope that they will see him and realize what he can do for an offense.
2. He's on my one and only successful fantasy football team and I'm in the semis. Cash rules everything around me.
#1. Already did that the 1st time around when TO reamed the secondary for something like 176 yds and a TD. If Andy didn't get it then, he ain't gonna.
#2. Can't hate. I'm in the same boat with Marion Barber.
I know you guys are forgetful, but they already know what TO can do. He was on the team for a little while there. What he does now is irrelevant.
they dont need to think back to when he was on the the team...he blasted them for 10 150 and a touch THIS YEAR....
oh and they play him sunday
That's fine and dandy, but the fact is they already know what a really good WR can do. They just don't care.
totally agree...my point is that the better TO does against them and in turn the more fans and media point to him as the reason to get a #1 wr the less chance they go out and do it
My point is that I want elite WRs to blow up against this team every week. I don't care if it's TO or not.
Don't lie... you don't have a point. Never did.
Fine.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 14, 2007, 08:50:08 AM
My point is that I want elite WRs to blow up against this team every week. I don't care if it's TO or not.
you do realize this would cause them to draft all cornerbacks and defensive ends not wr's
Haha, very good point.
ha...it would make them draft OL...duh
"It all starts up front."
TO will light this defense up. So will Romo. Romo is looking like one hell of a qb. He has 35 td's and 3,645 yards which puts him in range for a 4,000 yd. season. His 107.7 qb rating is second in the league to Brady's 123.5.
Can't help but think that TO is a big help to those stats. He leads the league with 1,270 yds. His 14 td's are second to Moss's 19. He has 22 catches for 20+ yds. Thats over a quarter of his 74 receptions.
Simply put, he's on fire. And he has a quarterback who is good in the pocket and also can scramble and is deadly throwing on the run. TO is great at coming back to the qb and improvising.
This is a division game and the Eagles won't come out and suprise the Cowboys like they did against New England. Prepare for an asswhippin'.
I'd like to ask a question to the guys who go to the games. If you've seen at least a couple of games this year, how much of the problem is McNabb holding on to the ball too long and how much of it is the receivers not getting open? It's something you really can't tell very well on TV.
You can certainly tell on TV and it's about 50% of the problem. There's no question that he holds the ball too long and doesn't trust his WRs to make plays. Of course the other 50% of the problem is that the WRs don't make plays on their own and don't get open enough for Donovan's liking. Basically, in order for him to be comfortable it appears that he needs dudes to be wide freaking open and these clowns at WR simply can't do that.
Another part of the problem is that his mechanics seem screwed up and when guys are open he's throwing high and behind them or right over their helmets. I think it's from bad footwork and bouncing all time. He's not set when he throws, no foundation.
He's never been the most accurate qb, and this year he's worse than ever.
The whole passing game is broken. zesty quarterbacking decisions, zesty routes run by receivers who can't get open, zesty playcalling, and botched execution.
Of course, if there were a credible threat of running the ball, things might open up a bit more in the pass game. Fixing any one piece of the passing game still leaves a lot of broken components though.
I personally don't think you can see as well on TV vs live what the WRs are doing, especially the ones in a different area of the field than the intended receiver. In past years when I've gone to games I could see alot more than what I could see on the tape when I got home. To me McNabb seems to be regressing. Sometimes goes into these funks where he can't seem to see more that 10 yards down field. Maybe when his mechanics are off he loses confidence and checks down after his first read or maybe he has post traumatic stress from the first Giants game, but I agree most everything else is broken.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 15, 2007, 10:05:45 AM
I'd like to ask a question to the guys who go to the games. If you've seen at least a couple of games this year, how much of the problem is McNabb holding on to the ball too long and how much of it is the receivers not getting open? It's something you really can't tell very well on TV.
One of the reasons it's so hard to tell is that the Eagles aren't a very good team offensively. Without Westbrook the Eagles would be worse than Miami :P
Eagles open as a 3-pt underdog at New Orleans, O/U 46
Quote from: fansince61 on December 16, 2007, 01:09:03 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 15, 2007, 10:05:45 AM
I'd like to ask a question to the guys who go to the games. If you've seen at least a couple of games this year, how much of the problem is McNabb holding on to the ball too long and how much of it is the receivers not getting open? It's something you really can't tell very well on TV.
One of the reasons it's so hard to tell is that the Eagles aren't a very good team offensively. Without Westbrook the Eagles would be worse than Miami :P
roger that.
Another major problem is the protection schemes or lack thereof Reid dials up. You almost never see Max Pro out there. On top of that you never see hot routes he can dump to when the blitz is in his face.
Pressure is almost always coming at him from the sorst possible place: right up the middle.
oh, they have a package for the blitzes. it's called worm burners.
Quote from: Displaced on December 17, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
Another major problem is the protection schemes or lack thereof Reid dials up. You almost never see Max Pro out there. On top of that you never see hot routes he can dump to when the blitz is in his face.
Pressure is almost always coming at him from the sorst possible place: right up the middle.
Max Pro was cut after week 3 of the preseason.
Quote from: Displaced on December 17, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
Another major problem is the protection schemes or lack thereof Reid dials up. You almost never see Max Pro out there. On top of that you never see hot routes he can dump to when the blitz is in his face.
Pressure is almost always coming at him from the sorst possible place: right up the middle.
I especially like the part of the game plan that doesn't account for Demarcus Ware rushing untouched.....right up the middle.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2007, 07:22:47 PMI especially like the part of the game plan that doesn't account for Demarcus Ware rushing untouched.....right up the middle.
The plan on that play was fine. The execution, during which Tony Hunt waved Ware through like he was directing planes at an airport... not so much.
I know which play you're talking about because while Ware was busy running up the middle, Hunt wast busy blocking Shawn Andrews' ass. But there was more than once when Ware (among other Cowboy defenders) had a clear path to McNabb.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
I know which play you're talking about because while Ware was busy running up the middle, Hunt wast busy blocking Shawn Andrews' ass. But there was more than once when Ware (among other Cowboy defenders) had a clear path to McNabb.
Yeah that was the one in the third quarter. The one right before the first field goal attempt, that was bad planning. No one was around to take on Ware. And if you have to block only one of those guys, I'm thinking it should be Ware.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 16, 2007, 11:47:20 PM
Eagles open as a 3-pt underdog at New Orleans, O/U 46
farg da Saints. Those bastiches are owed one as well. Payton will be ready for them though - not like fatass wade. Beat these guys and maybe there is a glimmer of hope going into the off-season. Lose miserably then they can file last week with the Detroit game..(Except for the priceless bits of watching TO throw a hissy and seeing Romo's date looking like a Ron Jeremy fluffer.)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
I know which play you're talking about because while Ware was busy running up the middle, Hunt wast busy blocking Shawn Andrews' ass. But there was more than once when Ware (among other Cowboy defenders) had a clear path to McNabb.
Maybe we start to understand why Hunt get's no playing time.
I wonder if we're going to have to see that slut with the "Farg the Eagles" shirt again.
Quote from: methdeez on December 17, 2007, 08:07:49 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
I know which play you're talking about because while Ware was busy running up the middle, Hunt wast busy blocking Shawn Andrews' ass. But there was more than once when Ware (among other Cowboy defenders) had a clear path to McNabb.
Maybe we start to understand why Hunt get's no playing time.
Perhaps. On the other hand, I don't think you run Hunt out on the field in a known passing situation when you've got 2 veteran runningbacks on the team. 3 if you count Mahe, who isn't a bad blocker and will pretty much do anything you tell him to since he knows the Eagles are his only shot at being on an NFL roster.
They should have her photo on the bulletin board this week and be forced to watch multiple viewings of the farging game last year. If Andrews hadn't gone down we might have had a chance. Who knows what would have happened in Chicago the next week...
But yes, we will likely be treated to that more recent bit of Eagles folklore dredged-up on a sewer man-hole cover this week. Those fargers will likely have her in comped seats this year with a "cleaned-up" media-friendly shirt and memorabilia sold on the mezzanine levels. Then the douche announcers will chuckle knowingly and bring up santa clause, and booing mcnabb and every other bit of hackneyed bullshtein that their pathetic junior interns in the research department drop in their lap like so many grease drippings from one wid everyting.
Sorry - product tasting at work this afternoon...
Quote from: Displaced on December 17, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
Another major problem is the protection schemes or lack thereof Reid dials up. You almost never see Max Pro out there. On top of that you never see hot routes he can dump to when the blitz is in his face.
Pressure is almost always coming at him from the sorst possible place: right up the middle.
Can't do max-pro too much because that lessens the amount of receiving options. These WRs can't get open when 5 of them run routes against 4 DBs...no way 2 WRs can get open against 4 DBs.
Sarge,
Hunt whiffed and that was MJG, not Andrews who he was blocking because MJG got blown up too.
In observation of the fact that the Eagles, however undeserving, defeated the Cowboys yesterday, I'm staying away from standing water.
Never liked that shtein anyway, to be honest.
Well, Darren Sharper just ended the Eagles season
I'm pretty sure it ended in April when they didn't bother putting together a talented team.
QuoteWell, Darren Sharper just ended the Eagles season
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it's your birthday, we're gonna party, like it's your birthday
showtime!
per spads:
QuoteI look at a player like Tony Hunt and I think, "This kid has some real deficiencies he needs to work on." But I also think that he won't improve for next year by not playing. The Eagles can't simulate blitzes in practice. Hunt needs to stay up and learn how to pick up a blitz and how to be a complete running back at this level.
more hunt please.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: methdeez on December 17, 2007, 08:07:49 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
I know which play you're talking about because while Ware was busy running up the middle, Hunt wast busy blocking Shawn Andrews' ass. But there was more than once when Ware (among other Cowboy defenders) had a clear path to McNabb.
Maybe we start to understand why Hunt get's no playing time.
Perhaps. On the other hand, I don't think you run Hunt out on the field in a known passing situation when you've got 2 veteran runningbacks on the team. 3 if you count Mahe, who isn't a bad blocker and will pretty much do anything you tell him to since he knows the Eagles are his only shot at being on an NFL roster.
Well... he was in on that play because Westbrook had just limped off the field, Buck was already out with a concussion, and Mahe was in the locker room getting splinters out of his vadge.
why must hunt only be used to pick up blitzes. bring him in and let him carry the ball around 5 times a game.
and now with the eagles finally being mathematically out let him run 15 times a game while ordering every eagles cheerleader to do lap dances for bwest on the bench.
Hunt whiffed and that was MJG, not Andrews who he was blocking because MJG got blown up too.
wow did he ever...i cant get over how bad him and justice look...remember the parade everyone wanted to have after that draft because justice and mjg were first round talents that the eagles stole
i still think they need time to play. MJG was blowing people up sunday too, but that one bad play always stands out.
i didnt watch him every play but i watched him a lot and i didnt see him blowing up people...for the most part i saw a slow clueless player...i guess i could have missed him dominating people...i have the game on dvr which i will watch again this week
especially with the season over now i agree they both need to play and play a lot because if they end up being the stiffs they appear to be now then their draft strategy must be adjusted cause the futture of their offensive line will be in big trouble
I actually did watch MJG and there were times when he looked awful and times when he looked good. I'd like to think that that's just natural for a rookie in his first extended playing time, but I don't know enough about it to make that call. He and Justice definitely need to get some PT before the year is out. I'd actually like to see Justice at RT, but that won't happen so never mind.
Definitely agree, no playoffs means get Andrews healthy. See what MJG can do. I think if Castillio can make Jeremy Bridges and Hank Fraley play, then he can get Justice and MJG playing well
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 08:35:12 AM
i didnt watch him every play but i watched him a lot and i didnt see him blowing up people...for the most part i saw a slow clueless player...i guess i could have missed him dominating people...i have the game on dvr which i will watch again this week
especially with the season over now i agree they both need to play and play a lot because if they end up being the stiffs they appear to be now then their draft strategy must be adjusted cause the futture of their offensive line will be in big trouble
MJG vs. DeMarcus Ware
Justice vs. Umenyora (sp?)
Not really the best measure of if a guy is a stiff or not. Just sayin'.
i love how hunt missed that one block and everybody uses that to justify AR not playing rookies...maybe if the stupid fat farg coached his rookies better they would be better prepared when they were needed.
AJ basically called him out when he said that in Philly if you aren't a #1 you don't get any reps during the week. that sure is a great way to help young players develop.
MJG vs. DeMarcus Ware
Justice vs. Umenyora (sp?)
Not really the best measure of if a guy is a stiff or not. Just sayin'.
umenoyra is not that good and it wasnt like justice just got beat he literally showed he didnt belong in the league...and im jnot judging mjg on any one play...just what ive seen of his small amount of game action and his work at training camps
and while i have huge questions about both of them im not saying either one is a stiff...im saying you need to find out now if they are stiffs or not
Quote from: SunMo on December 18, 2007, 08:59:40 AM
i love how hunt missed that one block and everybody uses that to justify AR not playing rookies...maybe if the stupid fat farg coached his rookies better they would be better prepared when they were needed.
AJ basically called him out when he said that in Philly if you aren't a #1 you don't get any reps during the week. that sure is a great way to help young players develop.
makes so much sense because injuries are so low for #1's in the NFL.
Extension.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 18, 2007, 04:32:30 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: methdeez on December 17, 2007, 08:07:49 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 17, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
I know which play you're talking about because while Ware was busy running up the middle, Hunt wast busy blocking Shawn Andrews' ass. But there was more than once when Ware (among other Cowboy defenders) had a clear path to McNabb.
Maybe we start to understand why Hunt get's no playing time.
Perhaps. On the other hand, I don't think you run Hunt out on the field in a known passing situation when you've got 2 veteran runningbacks on the team. 3 if you count Mahe, who isn't a bad blocker and will pretty much do anything you tell him to since he knows the Eagles are his only shot at being on an NFL roster.
Well... he was in on that play because Westbrook had just limped off the field, Buck was already out with a concussion, and Mahe was in the locker room getting splinters out of his vadge.
Really? I know Westbrook had just walked off but I didn't know about Buck. Of course, I was watching in a bar and there was no sound.............
buck was in active for the game.
i know its hard to notice since he gets like 2 carries a game on a good day.
where did i ever say he was bad?
i just said hes not some guy you bring up to use as an excuse to why justice sucked that bad...umenoyra has six sacks this year not against winston justice and has six sacks last year...solid numbers but hes not shawne merrimen or demarcus ware where youd say omg winston justice had to go against osi umenyora he had no chance
umenyora was a product of having michael strahan opposite him...in the last two years where strahan has clearly lost a step youve seen umenyoras production plummett...when strahan comepletely loses it or retires umenorya will be just another average defensive end or maybe worse
Umenyora = amenhorhea?
Female problems.
Merriman isn't even that good anymore now either, since he went off the 'roids.
yeah 17 sacks in 12 games last year was a definite fall off
merrimen is arguably the best defensive player in the nfl...top five for sure
Last year was when he tested (again) for Roids. So that hurts your point.
He's still good. I think he ha 10+ this year. But he isn't the terrifying beast that he was on the juice.
he had 17 sacks in 12 games AFTER he was suspended
this year he has 11.5 cause hes been banged up most of the season and gets ridiculous attention put on him...hes actually been around the ball a lot more this year he just has less sacks
and yes he still is a manimal...imo the best defensive player in the nfl...but a no brainer top 5 guy
Merriman hasn't been nearly as dominating as he was last year.
He's still top 5 in the league.
The important thing is the Giants could have drafted Merriman also, but they'd traded the pick in the deal for Eli.
westbrook and andrews pro bowlers
killa got robbed
And Andrews got a gift. I won't claim that I've seen the rest of the NFC's guards, but he hasn't even approximated the season he had last year.
I think Patterson had a strong case for the Pro Bowl too. He's had a really solid year and is among the league leaders in tackles by a DT.
andrews was a reserve
but leonard davis got a starting nod lolol
along with hutchinson
reggie brown got shafted! shtein. c'mon he was open all year. just ask him.
Freddie Mitchell was open too.
Did Marion Barber seriously make the farging Pro Bowl.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 18, 2007, 04:14:52 PM
I think Patterson had a strong case for the Pro Bowl too. He's had a really solid year and is among the league leaders in tackles by a DT.
Patterson really came on towards the end of the year and the Patterson/Bunkley duo looks legit moving into next year, but I'm not sure he was really dominant enough to be a pro-bowler. Happy he's on the team and some accolades would be nice, but pro-bowl? Eh.
Yeah but how many truely dominant DT's have there been in the NFC this year. Patterson put up solid numbers in tackles, among the most at the posistion actually, and had 4 sacks. I think at the very least a case can me made for it.
But it's amazing how much better the defense has been this year. Do Bunkley/Gocong/Spikes/Gaither(At MLB) really make that much of a difference over Walker/Jones/Trotter/Gaither? These were moves we were knocking all pre-season but so far have payed off well. FO got somethin right, it seems.
Also, with Gocong having a better then any of us expected year at SAM, where does that leave the Bradley pick?
And how the farg is Trent Cole NOT in the pro bowl?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 08:12:18 AMremember the parade everyone wanted to have after that draft because justice and mjg were first round talents that the eagles stole
I remember it well. They
were first round picks that the Eagles stole. Turns out, they weren't worth stealing, much less paying for...
Quote from: Diomedes on December 18, 2007, 06:44:35 PM
They were first round picks that the Eagles stole.
yeah i forgot the eagles were smarter than every other team in the league
But it's amazing how much better the defense has been this year. Do Bunkley/Gocong/Spikes/Gaither(At MLB) really make that much of a difference over Walker/Jones/Trotter/Gaither? These were moves we were knocking all pre-season but so far have payed off well. FO got somethin right, it seems.no one said anything bad about bunkley or spikes...bunkley is a monster and takeo had the good year everyone expected (well some thought he was the second coming but thats wasnt going to happen)...as for gaither and gocong nothing has changed...gaither is a gamer who shouldnt be a middle linebacker and gocong is a non factor that should be tried as a pass rusher...what these guys are is an imporvement over last year but not because they got it right so much as because they had it so wrong previously...bunkley is the exception...he a player they hit on in the draft and they deserve credit for that
as for bradley i think youre assuming that he was drafted as a sam which isnt necessarily the case...imo trotters replacement was on their minds when they took bradley...while also thinking that he could play sam if need be...now that the season is officially over dont be surprised to see him get some run in the middle and have gaither move over to takeos wil spot
Am I insane for not being sold on 'how good' this defense has been this year? They just don't ever impress me when I watch them, and I can't put my finger on why. Maybe I'm just being too cynical/nit-pick-y but the lack of points they've allowed just feels like a fluke every time I watch them play...
Anyway, it's possible that they do actually have a good core of defensive young-uns to build on, but I don't know, I guess I'm just not buying it yet.
Outside of the turnover dept... the defense has been pretty damn solid this year. In the top 10 against the run all year, top 15 against the pass and top 10 overall. If they could get the ball for the offense more often than they do... it would be an intimidating group.
I guess maybe the offense's inability to produce has just thrown my entire perspective off.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 18, 2007, 04:47:05 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 18, 2007, 04:14:52 PM
I think Patterson had a strong case for the Pro Bowl too. He's had a really solid year and is among the league leaders in tackles by a DT.
Patterson really came on towards the end of the year and the Patterson/Bunkley duo looks legit moving into next year, but I'm not sure he was really dominant enough to be a pro-bowler. Happy he's on the team and some accolades would be nice, but pro-bowl? Eh.
The Apacolypse is surely upon us because Munson hit it spot on.
Quote from: Munson on December 18, 2007, 05:39:32 PM
Yeah but how many truely dominant DT's have there been in the NFC this year. Patterson put up solid numbers in tackles, among the most at the posistion actually, and had 4 sacks. I think at the very least a case can me made for it.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 18, 2007, 07:18:23 PM
Am I insane for not being sold on 'how good' this defense has been this year? They just don't ever impress me when I watch them, and I can't put my finger on why. Maybe I'm just being too cynical/nit-pick-y but the lack of points they've allowed just feels like a fluke every time I watch them play...
Anyway, it's possible that they do actually have a good core of defensive young-uns to build on, but I don't know, I guess I'm just not buying it yet.
2 things about the defense that are different than we're used to seeing....
1. Feva already hit on the lack of turnovers they're creating, which is HUGE. Especially this year because the offense needs the ball as many times as possible.
2. The other thing is that the Eagles aren't 3 or 4 corners deep like we've gotten used to seeing either and I think that makes a big difference as well. Not only does it contribute to the lack of turnovers but teams have been able to throw the ball with more success against them this year than they have in the past.
the defense has been solid this year but has come up short in two crucial areas...
1. as previously mentioned turnovers...and thats because their one true playmaker is a cornerback
2. coming up with the big stop...several games this year come to mind...most prominent being the griese drive
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 08:45:48 PM
2. coming up with the big stop...several games this year come to mind...most prominent being the griese drive
Don't ever mention that shtein again, still makes me sick to think about it
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 18, 2007, 06:44:35 PM
They were first round picks that the Eagles stole.
yeah i forgot the eagles were smarter than every other team in the league
you misunderstand me
at the time, it was a coup. I'm not going to try the "what did
vigy post at the time" game, but I will argue that it wasn't crazy to be excited about the draft when it happened.
no i didnt misunderstand you...nor am i saying i was upset with the draft at the time i just wasnt nearly excited as all the poeple giving them an A+ on that monday morning...but thats not what i was saying either
my point was theres a reason every team in the league passed on these guys enough times to make them drop where they did and that its a risk to take multiple guys in the same draft that plummeted like they did
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 08:45:48 PM
the defense has been solid this year but has come up short in two crucial areas...
1. as previously mentioned turnovers...and thats because their one true playmaker is a cornerback
2. coming up with the big stop...several games this year come to mind...most prominent being the griese drive
Agreed on both. Except I wouldn't say they've been totally inept in the big stop department. When Dallas coverted the 4th down, I heard Joe Buck mention that it was the first 4th down a team had converted on the Eagles all year. They definately have come up short in some big situations, but I'd call it inconsistant at best in the big stop department, not downright horrible. Of course, memories like the Bears game come to mind... :boom
As for Gocong and Gaither...I think both have played well. Not great, not spectacular, but well enough. The run defense has been much better this year (though I agree it's probably due more to the emergence of Bunkley/Patterson and Spikes), but I've seen Gocong make more plays in the backfield this year then Dhani Jones made his entire career. You may be right about the Bradley pick as well, and I wouldn't mind Gaither getting moved back to WIL once Spikes is gone. I think he fits there a lot better then he does at MLB. If Gocong continues to improve, even in the slightest, we might have the first all around solid LB core we've had here since....shtein I can't even remember the last time. Caldwell-Trotter-Emmons? Willie T?? The problem being they don't have a dominant LB, or a play maker, which they desperately need (I heard somewhere this defense was lacking turnovers?). Spikes has had a few opportunities and literally dropped the ball.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 09:46:19 PM
no i didnt misunderstand you...nor am i saying i was upset with the draft at the time i just wasnt nearly excited as all the poeple giving them an A+ on that monday morning...but thats not what i was saying either
my point was theres a reason every team in the league passed on these guys enough times to make them drop where they did and that its a risk to take multiple guys in the same draft that plummeted like they did
alright. well, I'm not going to apologize, nor should anyone really, for being excited about that draft. it was promising, and farg...you got to get excited about something
and your point makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
i guess you enjoy both foresight AND hindsight, unlike everone else?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 09:46:19 PM
no i didnt misunderstand you...nor am i saying i was upset with the draft at the time i just wasnt nearly excited as all the poeple giving them an A+ on that monday morning...but thats not what i was saying either
my point was theres a reason every team in the league passed on these guys enough times to make them drop where they did and that its a risk to take multiple guys in the same draft that plummeted like they did
Not to jump all over the hate IGY wagon here, but aren't you the one that always complains they draft the "Safe" picks and never go for the real athletic guys that might not be all brains or good character? You're correct, they dropped for a reason, and the Eagles took risks by taking them. But, isn't that what you've been screaming for? Wanting them to take risks in the draft and missing on those, instead of trying to take the "safe" pick and missing on those instead(Considine, Matt McCoy)? Maybe it was someone else who was saying that.
And I think it's dumb to discount them already, give them some more time in real game situations and then we'll have a better base to judge them on.
Quote from: Munson on December 18, 2007, 09:52:42 PM
Not to jump all over the hate IGY wagon here, but aren't you the one that always complains they draft the "Safe" picks and never go for the real athletic guys that might not be all brains or good character? You're correct, they dropped for a reason, and the Eagles took risks by taking them. But, isn't that what you've been screaming for? Wanting them to take risks in the draft and missing on those, instead of trying to take the "safe" pick and missing on those instead(Considine, Matt McCoy)? Maybe it was someone else who was saying that.
And I think it's dumb to discount them already, give them some more time in real game situations and then we'll have a better base to judge them on.
ive never said anything about taking risks in the draft just playmakers/athletes...to me there isnt a risk in taking high ceiling guys...like i always say if youre gonna miss on a player id rather miss on the stud athlete than the vanilla wafer...plus the words athlete and playmaker are not terms i would place on offensive lineman...in fact the eagles most succesful aquisitions and draft picks are offensive lineman because they take the elast amount of evaluation and and have the smallest amount of grey area
now if youre talking about a risky pick in terms of off the field issues as was the case with winston justice then i am all for taking a chance on a player like that...which is why i wasnt against the justice pick or the mjg pick
i also have not discounted either of these guys yet and have called for them to get more PT immediately
and your point makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
i guess you enjoy both foresight AND hindsight, unlike everone else?hindsight was not needed in this situation...questioning why two guys dropped as far as they did at the time they were picked to me is natural...again i was not mad at that draft but i was definitely wary...i believe i gave it a B at the time or possibly even higher...i just wasnt whooping it up in the streets like everyone else
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 18, 2007, 07:36:04 PM
Outside of the turnover dept... the defense has been pretty damn solid this year. In the top 10 against the run all year, top 15 against the pass and top 10 overall. If they could get the ball for the offense more often than they do... it would be an intimidating group.
One other thing about the D... it would be great if there were another guy who could consistently get to the QB besides Killa.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 18, 2007, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 18, 2007, 04:47:05 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 18, 2007, 04:14:52 PM
I think Patterson had a strong case for the Pro Bowl too. He's had a really solid year and is among the league leaders in tackles by a DT.
Patterson really came on towards the end of the year and the Patterson/Bunkley duo looks legit moving into next year, but I'm not sure he was really dominant enough to be a pro-bowler. Happy he's on the team and some accolades would be nice, but pro-bowl? Eh.
The Apacolypse is surely upon us because Munson hit it spot on.
Quote from: Munson on December 18, 2007, 05:39:32 PM
Yeah but how many truely dominant DT's have there been in the NFC this year. Patterson put up solid numbers in tackles, among the most at the posistion actually, and had 4 sacks. I think at the very least a case can me made for it.
Bottom line? Fans, players, and coaches don't know which Williams is which in Minnesota, so they voted for both of them.
Was reading the weekly power rankings on espn and this is the little tidbit they had next to the Eagles:
QuoteFifteen teams currently have losing records, but only one has outscored its opponents -- the Eagles, with a point differential of plus-13 (281 to 268).
Obviously this is a product of the Lions game but for the Eagles to still be at +13 this late in the season is pretty telling about the defense and how they've at least managed to keep the Eagles in every single game this year. Without looking it up, I think the biggest loss the Eagles had this year was the Giants game @ NY when they lost by 13 points. But the defense only gave up 16 points in that loss.
Christ the offense is horrible.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 19, 2007, 12:38:12 PM
Was reading the weekly power rankings on espn and this is the little tidbit they had next to the Eagles:
QuoteFifteen teams currently have losing records, but only one has outscored its opponents -- the Eagles, with a point differential of plus-13 (281 to 268).
Obviously this is a product of the Lions game but for the Eagles to still be at +13 this late in the season is pretty telling about the defense and how they've at least managed to keep the Eagles in every single game this year. Without looking it up, I think the biggest loss the Eagles had this year was the Giants game @ NY when they lost by 13 points. But the defense only gave up 16 points in that loss.
Christ the offense is horrible.
Forgetting about the first Dallas game, are we?
Trying to. Thanks for bringing that up. 21 point loss. Other than NY and Dallas though, I just checked and every other loss has been by a TD (+2 pt conv) or less. Point is, the defense has kept them in most games this year.
Right. I mean, I see the scores and I see the numbers and it all points towards the defense being good, but they're inability to make key stops or, perhaps more importantly, win a game or two on their own with a key turnover or a touchdown. They have been just good enough to make the losses close and that sucks pretty hard.
so every game theyve lost has been by a td or less...except the games that were more by than a td
Quote from: rjs246 on December 19, 2007, 01:02:26 PM
Right. I mean, I see the scores and I see the numbers and it all points towards the defense being good, but they're inability to make key stops or, perhaps more importantly, win a game or two on their own with a key turnover or a touchdown. They have been just good enough to make the losses close and that sucks pretty hard.
True to an extent. I think they've played better as the year has gone on. There were quite a few changes on defense from last year to this year. We all like to look at the Chicago game and how they couldn't stop Brian Griese and an inept Bears offense as the tell all for this defense. And yes, they should have come up with a stop, not disputing that. But I've also seen them mature and play better since then as well.
They gave the offense the ball twice in the final few minutes against the Patriots while trailing by 3 points and the offense turned it over twice.
Seattle did almost nothing offensively all day. All but one of their scoring drives started in Eagles territory because of turnovers.
The defense gave forced a turnover and got the ball back to the offense in the closing minutes against the Giants.
And in the Dallas game I felt that when the Eagles kicked their last FG that they would lose because I didn't think the d be able to keep Dallas out of the endzone for an entire game but they did. Yeah, Dallas had questionable playcalling and less than stellar play from Romo but these weren't all unforced errors. The D played a role in that. And they got the turnovers when they needed them.
This isn't a "great" defense by any means and it pales in comparison to previous defenses we've seen here. But by no means is this the bad defense that I think many of us expected going into the season either. It's a good and solid defense. And there's quality youth now too with Bunkley, Cole, Patterson and dare I say Gocong to go along with a couple of young vets like Brown and Tito. There's a lot there to build with.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2007, 01:16:27 PM
so every game theyve lost has been by a td or less...except the games that were more by than a td
Right. And did you notice that they've shut out every opponent except for the ones who scored points?
i totally missed that one
Odd stat:
the eagles are 6-0 this year when outscoring their opponents.
finally some good football talk!
Rosen/Ryan doing the game. I imagine it's only going to Philly/NO markets. Maybe some others down south, but who lives there besides poor people?
Oppressed minorities and wealthier ex-northerners also.
As always, I get the game.
Quote from: MDS on December 19, 2007, 01:55:27 PM
Rosen/Ryan doing the game. I imagine it's only going to Philly/NO markets. Maybe some others down south, but who lives there besides poor people?
Your birth parents.
You mean the Havas'?
Ha.
map (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-16-FOX.html)
...just a quickie for y'all who are able to watch the game. Watch and see if Patterson gets blown off the ball then replaced/subbed.
I was rewatching the Dallas game on NFL Replay, and on Dallas' first possession Patterson got pushed back a good 4 yards (this has happened before in multiple games...) then almost tossed to the ground. 1v1, again by big Leonard Davis and no push for the next down. JJ on 3rd and 10 took him out for cole/howard/va/juqua. we generated a rush with those 4 (romo was in shotgun).
speaking of shotgun, i don't really understand why big red loves it so much. esp. when going against a fast, 1 gap, speed, 3-4 team like dallas. the ends fly around tra and runyan, and once they do that they keep going or spin around after mcnabb has scrambled chasing him upfield. then good ol mm/ar calls dem "explosive plays" that take 8 seconds to develop, no one gets open, mcnabb holds the ball and basically gets killed. ware, ellis, all had their shots on mcnabb that game. not to mention when he gets flushed a nice horse collar from roy bc of the retarded playcalling that forces 5 to step up and improvise. there were many times when mcnabb was going shotgun with 5 step drops...that's 8 yards behind the LOS. so instead of the lb's/ends running into a semicircle of protection in 4-5 yards, they are almost running in a straight line to get mcnabb almost 10 yards back. so when/if he does get sacked, it's a nice loss of 6-10 yards. meh. i will say one thing though, 5 is good vs zone coverage. he throws it to the receiver before they even turn around, probably why we (he) dominated detroit so much.
anywho, back to patterson. on dallas' second drive, patterson was out. 1st and 2nd kimo was in there and did a better job. then on 3rd down monte was in. everyone else, juqua, bunk, cole - stayed in.
3rd drive = juqua/bunk/kimo/howard in. 2 tight 2wr, then 3 wide 1 te 1rb then 4 wides 1 rb (witten out at wr last two times) then after the long catch to witten juqua/monte/howard/cole
mikell pick, fumble then it's juqua/kimo/bunk/cole
3rd and 11 juqua/monte/howard/cole
4th drive juqua/patterson/bunk/cole - patterson creates some push after him resting on the bench
then he's back on it after a few (4?) plays and kimo's in again.
same drive, 3rd & 4 juqua/va/howard/cole - lito pick
what'd corey play...40% of the snaps? i know we rotate, but it seems like out of all of them (next to va) he gets the fewest snaps.
just curious to see how much he plays vs n.o.
I was at a x-mas party yesterday and the Eagles were not on much, but from what I did see, Bradley filled in well for Gaither. That was one hell of a diving catch on his int. How did you guys see it?
Forgot to tivo one of the best offensive preformances this team had all year, besides the Detroit game. Damn!
Here is another observation. Kevin Curtis goes over a grand for the season against the Saints with 1,048 yards. To put that in perspective, TO was the last one to do it in '04'. Before that, you have to go all the way back to Irving Fryar in '96' and '97'. Curtis is only the second 1,000 receiver this team has had in the last 10 years. His 70 recpts., 15 yd. avg., 75 yd. lng., and 6 td's all lead the team. To put it bluntly, he's having a hell of a year and looks every bit as good as Stallworth, if not better.
curtis has had the quietest 1000 yard season of all time and whatever numbers he has put up have made way less of an impact on the team than what stallworth did last year
btw shore i won this year
Quote from: shorebird on December 24, 2007, 10:49:36 AMCurtis is only the second 1,000 receiver this team has had in the Andy Reid "spread it around" system and the first that wasn't a demanding crybaby.
Quote from: shorebird on December 24, 2007, 10:49:36 AMCurtis is only the second 1,000 receiver this team has had in the Andy Reid "spread it around" system and the first that wasn't black.
Quote from: Dillen on December 24, 2007, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: shorebird on December 24, 2007, 10:49:36 AMCurtis is only the second 1,000 receiver this team has had in the Andy Reid "spread it around" system and the first that wasn't a whiney black.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 24, 2007, 10:55:29 AM
curtis has had the quietest 1000 yard season of all time and whatever numbers he has put up have made way less of an impact on the team than what stallworth did last year
btw shore i won this year
Yeah, but the Eagles could still tie in the division standings, right? Spilt the two division games, neither will win the division, and could tie for division record.
You generalize about Curtis.
"curtis has had the quietest 1000 yard season of all time"? That is just the way that everyone who said Curtis wasn't very good, can't get open, and isn't as good as Stallworth justifies all the bad and wrong things they said about him. When he finally got a chance to be a 1 or 2 option in this league, he more than doubled his stats for any previous year. Any time a receiver has over a thousand yards on this team, it's anything but quiet. If it had been Reggie that had done it, who everyone was either hoping or expecting it from, you'd be singing a different tune. But when it's a guy like Curtis, who very few of us here thought would be productive, and all the so called brainiacs said was slow and couldn't get open does it, you try and justify your previous opinion by saying it was a
"quiet 1,000 yards" and made less of an impact than Stallworth did.
As for your last statement about the impact either player had, the one year Stallworth played, he had 665 yards, a 15.5 yd. avg., 5 td's, with 43 recpts. in 12 games. Looking at that one can't help but think that Stallworth made more of an impact to this team with the
four games he missed than when he played. If he had been healthy and played those four games, he might have come close to Curtis's numbers, but he didn't. The impact of him missing those four games was big.
Quote from: Dillen on December 24, 2007, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: shorebird on December 24, 2007, 10:49:36 AMCurtis is only the second 1,000 receiver this team has had in the Andy Reid "spread it around" system and the first that wasn't black.
:-D :-D
Take away the Detroit game, and Curtis's season was certainly somewhat pedestrian, especially for a #1 WR.
Still, you have to appreciate that he is able to catch some off-target bullets from Donovan and make some big plays. Here's to hoping him and Brown make a nice 2/3 punch next year.
Fitzgerald, Curtis and Brown sounds good. Curtis, Brown and [young player Reid slobbers over even though everyone knows he's not good] does not.
Coles might shake loose. I'd take him if Fitzgerald isn't available.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 24, 2007, 01:54:09 PM
Coles might shake loose. I'd take him if Fitzgerald isn't available.
I'd take either one. Unfortunately, we all know that, more than likely, we'll all get coal in this particular stocking.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 24, 2007, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 24, 2007, 01:54:09 PM
Coles might shake loose. I'd take him if Fitzgerald isn't available.
I'd take either one. Unfortunately, we all know that, more than likely, we'll all get coal in this particular stocking.
No shtein. These late wins are pushing Reid out of a pick high enough to make it a good one without really having to be on target with your scouting and projection.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 24, 2007, 12:26:31 PM
Take away the Detroit game, and Curtis's season was certainly somewhat pedestrian, especially for a #1 WR.
Still, you have to appreciate that he is able to catch some off-target bullets from Donovan and make some big plays. Here's to hoping him and Brown make a nice 2/3 punch next year.
You can take the Detroit game away, or any game if thats the way you want to look at it. It's like saying take away your uncle's nuts, and he'd have been your aunt. Theres really no point to it.
And yeah, I appreciate his ability to make big plays, like when he hustled his ass off running downfield to block for his quarterback, out running the entire Saint's defense to recover that fumble in the endzone. He might not be TO, but he's the best wr on this team by far.
It's starting to look like this team isn't really that far away towards being a contender again if Ried and Co. don't screw up the offseason.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 24, 2007, 10:55:29 AM
curtis has had the quietest 1000 yard season of all time and whatever numbers he has put up have made way less of an impact on the team than what stallworth did last year
While I agree with this for the most part, I like Curtis more than most of the other slop we've been watching pretend to be a #1 reciever......or just a reciever for that matter. Dude's made some damn nice catches and rarely drops what most of us would consider catchable balls.
One thing to keep in mind though is that he had a less than 100% McNabb throwing to him for most of the year. It seems like in the last couple weeks as McNabb has looked better, so has Curtis (and Reggie too).
Free agent WRs
Randy Moss, UFA
Bernard Berrian, UFA
Patrick Crayton, UFA
Bryant Johnson, UFA
Drew Carter, UFA
Andre Davis, UFA
Justin Gage, UFA
Antonio Chatman, UFA
Keary Colbert, UFA
Terrance Copper, UFA
Malcom Floyd, RFA
Doug Gabriel, UFA
D.J. Hackett, UFA
Az-Zahir Hakim, UFA
Taylor Jacobs, UFA
Jerome Mathis, RFA
Samie Parker, UFA
David Patten, UFA
Marcus Robinson, UFA
Devery Henderson, UFA
Everybody get ready for the exciting "Samie Parker, Philadelphia Eagle" thread this offseason.
D.J. Hackett is going to be coming off injury and comes from Holmgren's system.
Which makes him a perfect fit in Reid's eyes.
What kind of contract will the Pats be willing to give Moss?? After seeing the contribution he made to that team this year I'd bet they break the bank and don't even give him a chance to hit the market.
Not to mention that after they go undefeated and probably win the Superbowl he most likely won't want to go anywere else anyway. Especially after the experiance he had with the Raiders.
Quote from: shorebird on December 24, 2007, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 24, 2007, 10:55:29 AM
curtis has had the quietest 1000 yard season of all time and whatever numbers he has put up have made way less of an impact on the team than what stallworth did last year
btw shore i won this year
Yeah, but the Eagles could still tie in the division standings, right? Spilt the two division games, neither will win the division, and could tie for division record.
You generalize about Curtis. "curtis has had the quietest 1000 yard season of all time"? That is just the way that everyone who said Curtis wasn't very good, can't get open, and isn't as good as Stallworth justifies all the bad and wrong things they said about him. When he finally got a chance to be a 1 or 2 option in this league, he more than doubled his stats for any previous year. Any time a receiver has over a thousand yards on this team, it's anything but quiet. If it had been Reggie that had done it, who everyone was either hoping or expecting it from, you'd be singing a different tune. But when it's a guy like Curtis, who very few of us here thought would be productive, and all the so called brainiacs said was slow and couldn't get open does it, you try and justify your previous opinion by saying it was a "quiet 1,000 yards" and made less of an impact than Stallworth did.
As for your last statement about the impact either player had, the one year Stallworth played, he had 665 yards, a 15.5 yd. avg., 5 td's, with 43 recpts. in 12 games. Looking at that one can't help but think that Stallworth made more of an impact to this team with the four games he missed than when he played. If he had been healthy and played those four games, he might have come close to Curtis's numbers, but he didn't. The impact of him missing those four games was big.
thats true about the overall record...i was thinking the skins were two up on the birds...
stallworths impact on the rest of the team was bigger...the offense was way more explosive with him opening up the field with his speed and game breaking ability...as for not playing in certain games stallworth was huge in two playoff games scoring in both of them something curtis wont be doing this year...curtis is a fine wr but hes not a game changer...hes best to be slotted in that #2/3 spot
Do the words "straight cash, homey" mean anything to you?
IGY-Stallworth was inconsistant, and had a healthy McNabb and then a healthy Garcia throwing to him. Curtis has worked with an, at best, sub par Donovan McNabb this year. He's shown to have better hands then Stallworth, and has been a bit more consistent, especially as the year went on.
Even Reggie Brown has looked better in recent weeks with a healthier McNabb throwing to him.
Fact is, both Stallworth and Curtis are both better suited as #2 guys next to a true #1. I'm not willing to accept that Reid will do something about that though, and our starting WR's next year will probably be Curtis and Brown again. The thing this offense has missed the most, IMO, is production from the TE spot. And lack of running the ball, but that's Reid's play calling, not the personnel.
Get Moss...please?
igy we'll have to agree to disagree with the comparisons of Stallworth and Curtis. I will say that Stallworth has a bit more speed, but Curtis runs better routes, has better pass catching ability, and doesnt' have those nasty hammy problems that have plagued Donte' most of his career.
And if this team had had any type of playoff hopes, or a healthy qb coming into this year, Curtis's impact would have been a lot greater than what your seeing now, which is as stated before, only the second 1,000 season in ten years for this team.
What I really wanted to know about was what observations any who watched the game made on Bradley. He had some nice tackles and the one play I really saw while partying was his dive for the int. That was sweet!
Gaither has played better than I ever thought he would, but he's really doesn't fit the mold for a mlb in the NFL. For Bradley to come out and play that well in his first start at the position makes a statement, imo.
I think Spikes will be here at least next year, but after that, the regime will probably expieriment with a WIL-MIKE-SAM of Gaither-Stewart-Gocong. I like Gaither best at the WIL, and if Gocong's improvement this year continues, I doubt they'll remove him anytime soon. If they like what they see in Stewart, there's no way they try him at WIL and leave Gaither in the middle.
No need to proclaim him future starter yet, but I definitely liked what I saw Sunday. The two run stuffs at the goal line on 3rd and 4th down were particularly good to see. And honestly I've liked Gocong's play all year. He showed his inexperience early in the season, but as the year went on he's played better, hasn't over pursued as much, has done a good job against TE's, and has been getting some pressure on the blitz/when he's been put as down lineman (when's the last time we had that from a LB?). The future isn't quite as dim at SAM anymore, for the ime being.
stop drinking the kool aid on every experiment this front office trys to force feed you on..whether it be curtis being better than stallworth or gocong being an nfl linebacker...you cant have watched this past season and like gocongs play not that youd (munson) have clue even if you had watched...and if your argument is "well he wasnt horrible" then be ahshamed youve been had by banner swirly lolipop
bradley should have every opportunity given to him in camp next year to unseat gaither at mike...he played a hell of a game sunday......
i think omar is best suited to be a fourth linebacker that could come in and help at mike and wil when needed....either for an injury or a situational down like playing the middle in passing situations
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 25, 2007, 01:59:36 PM
i think omar is best suited to be a fourth linebacker that could come in and help at mike and wil when needed....either for an injury or a situational down like playing the middle in passing situations
He is good in coverage, for shore. But you won't be seeing him in your scenario on this team. He's starting somewere. Still even with what looked to be a weakness at the beginning of the season, the Eagles have the 5th best run D in the league allowing 92.7 yds. a game and an avg. of 3.8 yds. a carry, 4th in the league. You don't do that with linebackers that suck all that bad. Give credit to the o-line too, what was thought to have been their biggest weakness, the run-D, has been a pleasant suprise.
Heres a farging observation for you all.
Brian Westbrook has 1,291 yds. rushing and 714 receiving for 2,005 all purpose yds. with 12 td's in 14 games. Should be 13 td's if not for showing that he's a total team player with one of the most unselfish, classy moves I've ever seen on a football field when he kneeled it down on the one yard line to let the clock run out against Dallas.
4th in the league total yds. rushing with a 4.8 per carry avg. and 92.2 per game. He has the 41st most yds. receiving in the league. He has more yds. receiving than Donte' Stallworth, Santana Moss, Isaac Bruce, Calvin Johnson, and yes, Reggie Brown.
He has 86 recpts. 271 rush attmpts. for 375 total touches. He has one fumble on a recpt., and we all saw the hit that caused it.
With a game left to go, he already has numbers that blow away any back the Eagles have had. He's the best rb in the game right now, and and argument could be made that he's the best offensive player period thats not a qb.
LT is better, but your point is well taken
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 25, 2007, 01:59:36 PM
stop drinking the kool aid on every experiment this front office trys to force feed you on..whether it be curtis being better than stallworth or gocong being an nfl linebacker...you cant have watched this past season and like gocongs play not that youd (munson) have clue even if you had watched...and if your argument is "well he wasnt horrible" then be ahshamed youve been had by banner swirly lolipop
bradley should have every opportunity given to him in camp next year to unseat gaither at mike...he played a hell of a game sunday......
i think omar is best suited to be a fourth linebacker that could come in and help at mike and wil when needed....either for an injury or a situational down like playing the middle in passing situations
IGY-Look around, you're the only one still down talking Gocong's play this year. He has steadily improved as the year has gone on.
And the numbers don't lie....Curtis has been more consistent then Stallworth was, both in production and hands. Stop hating just to hate and accept that not EVERYTHING was a total failure this year.
Quote from: Munson on December 26, 2007, 12:09:39 AM
IGY-Look around, you're the only one still down talking Gocong's play this year. He has steadily improved as the year has gone on.
i dont need to look around i watch the games and make my judgements i dont go by what the people on a message board say and ive watched every game this year and most of them twice...gocong is a non entity...he cant get to the ball and he cant do anything when he does...hes not an nfl linebacker (not a 4-3 one anyway)...he wasnt when they drafted him and he isnt now...as ive said before he could hold some value as an off the edge rusher well see...but i defy you to name me one impact play he made this entire year other than the brady sack...the answer is he didnt...i want my linebackers to hold at least some big play value and none of the eagles do with gocong being the worst of the lot...to put gocongs year in perspective stuart bradley made more plays sunday they gocong has in the first 15 games
Quote from: shorebird on December 25, 2007, 10:16:02 PM
Heres a farging observation for you all.
Brian Westbrook has 1,291 yds. rushing and 714 receiving for 2,005 all purpose yds. with 12 td's in 14 games. Should be 13 td's if not for showing that he's a total team player with one of the most unselfish, classy moves I've ever seen on a football field when he kneeled it down on the one yard line to let the clock run out against Dallas.
4th in the league total yds. rushing with a 4.8 per carry avg. and 92.2 per game. He has the 41st most yds. receiving in the league. He has more yds. receiving than Donte' Stallworth, Santana Moss, Isaac Bruce, Calvin Johnson, and yes, Reggie Brown.
He has 86 recpts. 271 rush attmpts. for 375 total touches. He has one fumble on a recpt., and we all saw the hit that caused it.
With a game left to go, he already has numbers that blow away any back the Eagles have had. He's the best rb in the game right now, and and argument could be made that he's the best offensive player period thats not a qb.
hes no question the second best offensive player in the nfl right now behind lt...and hes the best philadelphia eagle player of all time not named reggie white
EAGLES CORNERBACK CALLS OUT COACHING STAFF
Over the years, we've seen plenty of situations in which players had unflattering things to say about their coaching staffs. Usually, there's an edge to it, a clear sense that the player knows that he's stirring up trouble.
The recent words of Eagles cornerback Sheldon Brown regarding his team's struggles in 2007 are more matter-of-fact and, in a way, innocent. By all appearances, he's merely being candid, with no malice or agenda.
"We all played tight -- you know what I mean?" Brown said to reporters on Sunday, after the Eagles finished an impressive duo of road wins over the Cowboys and the Saints. "The last two weeks it was like: Let's just go play ball. We should have had that attitude from day one."
Asked why it didn't happen, Brown said: "It's a trickle-down effect. If the coaches feel tight, it trickles down to the players. They're like: Oh, I can't make a mistake. I can't make a mistake.
"Now the coaches are relaxed, the players are relaxed and we're having fun playing and that's how it's always been since I've been here. I don't know why it wasn't that way from the beginning."
The most surprising aspect of all of this is that Brown's comments were largely ignored by the Philadelphia print media. The comments first appeared on December 24 at phillyburbs.com. On Tuesday, the comments showed up in the Cherry Hill (N.J.) Courier Post.
The remarks deserve far more attention than that, as does the question of why the coaches were feeling tight earlier in the year.
This is everyone's favorite PFT but worth the post
that's hardly calling out the coaches...PFT sucks
and stfu sheldon...who cares is the coaches feel tight...make a farging tackle and you probably win the Seattle game
ooh, PG is gonna stangle you
Quote from: SunMo on December 26, 2007, 03:22:27 PM
that's hardly calling out the coaches...PFT sucks
yes and yes
and the reason it gets limited attention is because basically hes saying its easier to play when you have nothing to play for....gee willikers really?!?!?!?
its the same reason you hear fans say they dont want to win the last couple games because it gives teams a false sense of hope...the reason for this is because game one of next year is a much bigger test than game 15 this year...and what you do now has no bearing on what you do next septemeber...
if sheldon or any other player had say made a play against chicago on that final drive when the games mattered perhaps this wouldnt be a discussion now
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 26, 2007, 03:19:07 PMThe remarks deserve far more attention than that
No. Articles about player remarks are the lowest form of sportswriting. Furthermore, these remarks were completely boring and meaningless. The statements the Eagles make through their play on the field give us a clearer picture of how the coaches are doing than any BS interview in the media possibly could.
Quote from: SunMo on December 25, 2007, 10:25:20 PM
LT is better, but your point is well taken
When LT is playing like he is now, and not like he did at the begining of the year, he's better. I don't know what was up with that team at the start of this year, but they have it in gear now, which is a good thing going into the playoffs.
I have to say right now, with the league lead in all purpose yards, Bwest is having a little better year. LT's 1,886 total from scrimmage and Adrian Peterson's 1,567 are the closest to Bwest. It looks like Peterson is really going to be a beast. I'd love to see what he could do in a full season. If I had to pick one out of the three for next years FF, I'd say Peterson will be better than Bwest or LT. His 5.7 yds. per carry, 12 TD's, and 1,305 yds. in just 13 games are the most serious of shtein. Did Barry Sanders ever avg. 5.7 per carry a season?
What can I say, it's the homer in me that puts Bwest a shade over LT this year.
LT and Westbrook are both better than Peterson due to the fact that they can catch the ball, they are basically wide recievers.
I put LT over Westbrook because he's more durable, a little bigger, and a better runner between the tackles.
They are pretty close though
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 26, 2007, 10:38:38 AM
Quote from: shorebird on December 25, 2007, 10:16:02 PM
Heres a farging observation for you all.
Brian Westbrook
hes no question the second best offensive player in the nfl right now behind lt...and hes the best philadelphia eagle player of all time not named reggie white
.....and now you know the rest of the story.......
Paul Harvey.....good day!
lt is better because hes a much better runner ( then again he might be the best ever)....also and most of all he gets in the end zone like almost no one thats ever played...
westbrook as great as he is is not close to lt
QuoteDid Barry Sanders ever avg. 5.7 per carry a season?
I think he may have averaged 5.1 for his career.
I'm tired of the plug & pray bulshtein.
I would like to observe that this is the best line on so many levels I have seen on this board since I have been reading it.
Not plug & play but plug and pray.
That is primo.
Quote from: shorebird on December 26, 2007, 05:03:30 PMDid Barry Sanders ever avg. 5.7 per carry a season?
Twice. He averaged 6.1 in 1997.
Quote from: SunMo on December 26, 2007, 05:06:13 PM
LT and Westbrook are both better than Peterson due to the fact that they can catch the ball, they are basically wide recievers.
I put LT over Westbrook because he's more durable, a little bigger, and a better runner between the tackles.
They are pretty close though
This is true. And theres aways the chance that LT will have another one of those monster years like last year.
As for Peterson, I could see him coming real close to 2,000 yds. just rushing alone. 16 games with the numbers he has now put him between 1,600 and 1,700 yds. rushing easy.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 26, 2007, 05:20:54 PM
Quote from: shorebird on December 26, 2007, 05:03:30 PMDid Barry Sanders ever avg. 5.7 per carry a season?
Twice. He averaged 6.1 in 1997.
It will be interesting to see what Peterson ends up with.
CB Tanard Davis signed from Carolina's practice squad
Gasperson released
Bye Sheldon :P
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 26, 2007, 05:57:02 PM
CB Tanard Davis signed from Carolina's practice squad
Gasperson released
Bye Sheldon :P
Well there goes any chance of the Eagles drafting a "shut down" corner in April. Nevermind signing...dare I say Dante Hall?
On the otherhand the door is now wide open for the return of James Thrash now that Gasperson is gone. We all remember how his big day against the Eagles back in 2000 so impressed Reid&Co they just had to sign him that off season.
^^^^^^^
merry xmas to us!
the eagle corners are more than fine...theres many areas of need ahead of a cornerback
map for Bills game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-17-CBS1.html)
eastern PA
most of New York
Maryland
DC
northern Virginia
southern Oklahoma
northern Texas
Harlan and Gannon again
good, game is not on in hawaii so i can wear my new Eagles tshirt i received for xmas to the sportsbar. what a statement to close the season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2007, 04:53:13 PM
the eagle corners are more than fine...theres many areas of need ahead of a cornerback
Don't know that I agree with that statement.
Lito can't stay healthy, Sheldon is dependable but gets beat deep way too much and when it comes to Burress neither one of them has an answer.
Don't make me bring up what Thrash did to that secondary in the first Washington game. If not for that stinker they would be in the playoffs.
The eagles face Owens and Burress twice a year. They need help at that position in order to be competitive.
i totally disagree...sheldon gets beat less than most corners in the league...and hes all around one of the better corners...but hes on your favorite team so you tend to scrutinize his failures much more...
lito getting hurt too much is a legit point but what are you gonna do take a first round pick on a position because they might get hurt...unless youre suggesting getting rid of lito and replace him with a draft pick...id much rather take a high pick on a position that sucks
Quote.id much rather take a high pick on a position that sucks
Not that the safety position sucked so so bad this year, but I would say its the most important area this year in the draft, that and special teams
When you finish dead last in major categories such as defensive INT's, field position and return yards, you have no choice but to address--but again--they always go opposite, so who the f knows
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2007, 07:51:13 PM
i totally disagree...sheldon gets beat less than most corners in the league...and hes all around one of the better corners...but hes on your favorite team so you tend to scrutinize his failures much more...
lito getting hurt too much is a legit point but what are you gonna do take a first round pick on a position because they might get hurt...unless youre suggesting getting rid of lito and replace him with a draft pick...id much rather take a high pick on a position that sucks
I still have a few games on my DVR so I will watch a couple of them again while I have a few weeks reprieve from the good Jesuits but I feel like I distinctly remember Sheldon getting beat deep. Maybe the passes did not always connect but Sheldon was in a trail position.
Don't get me wrong I like Sheldon and Lito. I think Sheldon is one of the smartest corners around and Lito is a gamebreaker when he is on but neither one of them has any clue what to do with Burress. The guy won that last game single handedly or should I say single leggedly?
Another thing, how often do you hear an anouncer say "that was a coverage sack" about the Eagles defense? They can't play physical bump and run and get beat underneath playing off. It was so frustrating watching teams convert on third down the last couple of years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2007, 07:51:13 PM
i totally disagree...sheldon gets beat less than most corners in the league...and hes all around one of the better corners...but hes on your favorite team so you tend to scrutinize his failures much more...
lito getting hurt too much is a legit point but what are you gonna do take a first round pick on a position because they might get hurt...unless youre suggesting getting rid of lito and replace him with a draft pick...id much rather take a high pick on a position that sucks
The CB position isn't as OK as you might think, though. Even if Lito & Sheldon are fine (which I think they are)... where do you go after that? Will James has been terrible this season, he lost his nickel spot to Joselio... and it'll be a miracle if he's back next year (not that the Eagles would or should want him). So that will create a hole depth-wise. Then, do you trust Hanson to play the nickel full time next year and beyond? He's a decent DB I suppose, but I don't trust him in situations against regular 3 WR sets. Nick Graham is a body. Nothing more, nothing less.
There's not really much depth outside of Lito & Sheldon... and we've already established that Lito has durability issues. They need more quality at CB. I'm not saying go CB in the 1st round, but it should be addressed... and earlier in the draft rather than later.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2007, 04:37:25 AM
There's not really much depth outside of Lito & Sheldon... and we've already established that Lito has durability issues. They need more quality at CB. I'm not saying go CB in the 1st round, but it should be addressed... and earlier in the draft rather than later.
well said. agreed that it's not necessary to take a CB in the first round as there will be some quality ones available in the next two rounds. sure would be nice to get a CB on day one.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2007, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2007, 07:51:13 PM
i totally disagree...sheldon gets beat less than most corners in the league...and hes all around one of the better corners...but hes on your favorite team so you tend to scrutinize his failures much more...
lito getting hurt too much is a legit point but what are you gonna do take a first round pick on a position because they might get hurt...unless youre suggesting getting rid of lito and replace him with a draft pick...id much rather take a high pick on a position that sucks
The CB position isn't as OK as you might think, though. Even if Lito & Sheldon are fine (which I think they are)... where do you go after that? Will James has been terrible this season, he lost his nickel spot to Joselio... and it'll be a miracle if he's back next year (not that the Eagles would or should want him). So that will create a hole depth-wise. Then, do you trust Hanson to play the nickel full time next year and beyond? He's a decent DB I suppose, but I don't trust him in situations against regular 3 WR sets. Nick Graham is a body. Nothing more, nothing less.
There's not really much depth outside of Lito & Sheldon... and we've already established that Lito has durability issues. They need more quality at CB. I'm not saying go CB in the 1st round, but it should be addressed... and earlier in the draft rather than later.
again i couldnt disagree more...you want every position on the team to have quality starters and depth...in a perfect world that would be great and im all for it but it just doesnt happen and is not realistic...if you wanna bring in a veteran third corner to compete with hanson then fine but if they take a day one corner in the draft it would be a mistake imo
wr
defense front seven
returner
safety
are all much bigger needs than third corner
They aren't getting a receiver in this draft that will make an impact on offense. There just aren't any players with that sort of talent coming out. Receiver is going to have to come in free agency if anywhere.
Defensive End
Safety
Linebacker (though I'm not as down on this group as I once was)
Return Man
Those are the priority positions. A corner after those are addressed would be fine, but I agree with IGY it shouldn't be a top priority at all.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 28, 2007, 08:51:27 AM
They aren't getting a receiver in this draft that will make an impact on offense. There just aren't any players with that sort of talent coming out. Receiver is going to have to come in free agency if anywhere.
im not talking about the draft or free agency im talking about the offseason as a whole...player aquisitions by whatever method they may be
btw there are talented wr's in this draft...the reason they cant count on a wr out of the draft to help them next year is because very few rookie wr's make a big impact period...the anquan boldins of the world are few and far between...shtein look at calvin johnson who is the second coming he had a great rookie year but wasnt a difference maker
Quote from: Displaced on December 27, 2007, 10:16:14 PM
It was so frustrating watching teams convert on third down the last couple of years.
A little FYI.....
The Eagles rank 13th in the NFL on Defensive 3rd downs, allowing 38.4% to convert to 1st downs. That's better than Jax, Pitt, SD, Minn, Tenn and Ind.
As for the lack of turnovers, this defense kind of reminds me of the defense back in 98. It was a good defense that was relatively young and was just starting to come together. Obviously Dawk is the only remaining player from that team and he's not so young anymore. But Taylor and Vincent were both in their primes just as Tito and Sheldon are in theirs. Kearse and Spikes are the only other players on this defense that are "old." Every other position is relatively young and there is a lot of promise at most positions. DT is locked. RDE is locked. CB is locked. Kearse should be gone this year so do the Eagles make Juqua the f/t starter or do they bring someone else in? (Jared Allen's a FA) I think Spikes will be fine for another 2 or 3 years and Gaither and Gocong are improving.
Dawk only has maybe 2 good years left so the Eagles need to either draft his replacement now or draft a SS and make Mikell the eventual heir to Dawk's throne. Point is, I see a lot of potential for this defense for the next 5-7 years and if they are able to make just one solid defensive draft pick and 1 solid FA pick up in the offseason then I think this will be a top tier d again next year.
for the now: i like juqua but hes not a starter...they need another edge rusher...and they need a big time playmaker at any of the linebacker positions...if they did nothing else in the offseason i would be happy with this
for the future: i completely agree on the safety...draft one or even two and hope one of them becomes your future starter...no one better to learn under than dawk
of course they drafted a safety last year and he couldnt even make the team so this is easier said than done
I agree that Juqua's not a starter, but I don't know that this team needs a 'big time play-maker' at linebacker. It would be nice, but if they have play makers elsewhere I don't think they NEED beastly linebackers. You can't have all-stars at every position and I think that some combination of Spikes, Gocong, Bradley and Gaither will be stout against the run and athletic enough to contribute against the pass.
I could be wrong and the linebackers could absolutely suck next year, but I would rather take care of DE and safety than worry about the linebackers since the young guys have shown improvement this year.
Bradley made more plays last week than Spikes made in 14 games.
I like Juqua, but he's not going to hold up for 40 snaps a game.
DE
TE
WR
CB
S
I like the young LBs, including Gocong. They seem to have turned around their track record at drafting LBs. They probably should draft 1 or 2 more for STs next year.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 28, 2007, 10:34:54 AM
I agree that Juqua's not a starter, but I don't know that this team needs a 'big time play-maker' at linebacker. It would be nice, but if they have play makers elsewhere I don't think they NEED beastly linebackers. You can't have all-stars at every position and I think that some combination of Spikes, Gocong, Bradley and Gaither will be stout against the run and athletic enough to contribute against the pass.
I could be wrong and the linebackers could absolutely suck next year, but I would rather take care of DE and safety than worry about the linebackers since the young guys have shown improvement this year.
what improvement from the young guys?...gaither was exactly what he was last year and gocong improved from what exactly...from not playing at all?...i guess so
sacks - 2
int - 1
force fumble - ZERO
fumble recovery - ZERO
those numbers wouldnt be the greatest for any one linebacker...that was the eagle starting linebacker totals going into new orleans
in other words stewart bradley just about had a better NO game than the other three linebackes have had seasons
turnovers are gigantic in the nfl...these linebackers produce next to nothing in that dept...thats is not good enough not even close...gocong specifically cannot get to the ball...he either gets bodied by a blocker or is way out of position...it happened uncountable numbers of times this year...it was his first season and hopefully hell prove me wrong but i just dont see how he can be a linebacker at this level...
however im willing to put up with him if they can get a big time plamaker at one of the other spots...no one is asking for three pro bowlers...but jesus no forced fumbles or fumble recoveries from a linebacker this year?...has that ever happened in the history of the league?
I get your frustration, and those numbers are atrocious, but this defense has played well this year with three brand new linebackers starting. Gocong has shown more rush off of the edge as the year has progressed. Gaither is Gaither, not spectacular but solid. Spikes did nothing and may be done. Bradley looks promising in extremely limited action. While none of them did anything huge this season, there were good enough to help the defense perform at a pretty high level.
Anyway, like I said, I'm not married to this group but I think there are other more pressing concerns.
its an 8-8 (or possibly a little better with more pts from the offense) defense
i want a superbowl defense
that's the equivalent of asking for a pro bowler at all three lb slots.
an 8 and 8 D coupled with an 8 and 8 O means 10 wins and playoffs...
Quote from: Diomedes on December 28, 2007, 11:12:01 AM
that's the equivalent of asking for a pro bowler at all three lb slots.
what are you talking about...has any superbowl defense ever had that?...you really need to raise your expectations if you want a title....this linebacking corps aint gonna do it
see tampas new englands and pittsburghs defenses for recent examples of what im talking about...no one is asking for the 01 ravens
Quote from: Diomedes on December 28, 2007, 11:12:01 AM
an 8 and 8 D coupled with an 8 and 8 O means 10 wins and playoffs...
yippie!!
10 wins and another playoff bounce...fun times
The Eagles won't lose anyone of significance this offseason so it stands to reason that they can only get better with new acquisitions. In order of importance I'd go like this either through the draft or free agency:
1. Defensive End (They need an every down starter there. Cole's great but they have no one opposite him who isn't a situational guy. This is a huge priority.)
1a. Safety (Probably the biggest need on the team. They have no one at SS who is capable of starting and Dawkins is nearing the end of the trail. We might end up seeing a replay of the 2002 draft with both positions being filled early in the draft. If not, then they have to address it in free agency. They really have no other choice.)
2. Receiver (I like Curtis and Brown but neither of them is a true #1. They need a guy who will draw double teams on every play yet still be able to break down defenses and create his own opportunities. Sign a guy like that and Curtis/Brown become excellent additional pieces instead of guys they rely on every week.)
3. Tight End (Another huge concern. Celek might be the next Mark Bavaro but he doesn't look like it to me. I doubt the Eagles will do anything here because they're pigheaded about the position. If they weren't then L.J. would have been a no-brainer to resign.)
4. Cornerback (Joselio Hanson is their #3 corner. That's not gonna cut it especially against teams like the Patriots who have four guys who can beat your ass at the WR position let alone teams they play in the NFC East. Even if Lito comes back at full strength, they still need someone over there other than Sheldon who is capable of starting every week. Maybe they go after someone in free agency and maybe they don't. I don't know. Good cornerbacks are certainly available every year in the draft but game changers rarely are. I think free agency is the way to go here but we all know how the Eagles are in free agency.)
5. Linebacker (Is Gocong, Gaither & Bradley a linebacking corps you can count on for the next 5 years? I don't know about that. Getting more size and speed at the position couldn't hurt, though.)
Here's hoping the Eagles actually take a solid look at the talent they have on the squad. They do have talent but when you look at the New Englands of the NFL, it's obvious they're sorely lacking all over the team. They have an opportunity to get a lot better this year. They have a decent amount of cap space (not a huge amount but some) and they have a ton of draft picks.
id like to see them get bernard berrian. seems like he has all the talent, speed and hands. when rex was on, he was making some great catches and is a deep threat. thats the only receiver on the list id take. well of course moss, but thats not happening
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 28, 2007, 11:31:00 AM
The Eagles won't lose anyone of significance this offseason so it stands to reason that they can only get better with new acquisitions. In order of importance I'd go like this either through the draft or free agency:
this is an excellent point and must be remembered...i know they didnt make the playoffs but the eagles are in a position much like the phillies were at the end of the baseball season...not that far away but also missing a couple crucial pieces...
hopefully unlike the phillies the eagles will take a couple huge steps to address those need areas because if they do than can win a superbowl next year
a #1 wr and a couple front seven playmakers and i put the eagles up there with just about anyone other than NE (assuming mcnabb comes back)
6. OT - Runyan and Thomas are no spring chickens. Justice needs to work hard to prove he's legit. We need a good back-up plan for OT cause right now we're thin and relying on old vets to hold up another season. Runyan I think is fine, he's as hard as steel, but Thomas I don't think has too much left in the tank.
The team needs alot of work and it ain't going to all come together by next year. As zesty as it is...this team is in dire need of remodeling and is along way from getting back to top form. First its Reid...he needs to go. Then its the players...the Spikes and the Kearses need to go...no more washed up vets on their last legs. Next year will be THE year for McNabb. He should be 100%. If they get him some more weapons then there should be no excuses. If he's healthy and still struggling...its time for him to go. We can't judge him too much on his performance this year. I was ready to dump him mid year, but he turned things around here at the end and showed signs that he's not done...he was just not 100% this year plain and simple.
thinking the eagles could win a super bowl with the current coaches and gameplan, even with these playmakers they won't get is fargin comedic
reid has proved one thing and that one thing is the most fundamental part of the game. its time management. he's completly clueless and he's not going to beat the indy's, the pats or any of the better AFC teams with the team he has and the offense he runs. this pass happy shtein ain't cuttin it...not with mcnabb, not with reggie brown...not even with curtis....they need a legit receiver, they need a legit TE, they need a freakin commitment to the run to take pressure off McNabb. they need a consistent, clock controlling offense and a dominating defense. we're not even close
I like how you piggybacked off of Rome and threw in #6 for the OT's, but then completely shredded the idea of this team ever even coming close to competing with what they have.
why do you bother?
ha, why do i bother? man this team has so much potential but i can't see them competing with the coaches they have. that is all really.
Quote from: mussa on December 28, 2007, 11:46:13 AM
The team needs alot of work and it ain't going to all come together by next year.
Next year will be THE year for McNabb. He should be 100%. If they get him some more weapons then there should be no excuses. If he's healthy and still struggling...its time for him to go. We can't judge him too much on his performance this year. I was ready to dump him mid year, but he turned things around here at the end and showed signs that he's not done...he was just not 100% this year plain and simple.
if the team is "not even close" then why would you want mcnabb back...and more so why is next year THE year for him?...get some picks for him and move on to the cobb era if youre "remodeling" anyway
youre all over the place mussa and not making much sense
Quote from: mussa on December 28, 2007, 11:46:13 AM
The team needs alot of work and it ain't going to all come together by next year. As zesty as it is...this team is in dire need of remodeling and is along way from getting back to top form.
Quote from: mussa on December 28, 2007, 11:59:59 AM
man this team has so much potential
IGY, what r u going to do for cash after 2020?
huh?
wow..completely wasnt thinking your talking about richards on your sig...my bad. I'll be in my backyard with my head in a hole
yea im not making sense...let me try to explain it better
(fantasy)*
the team has potential...if they get a new coach and new offense(run first) i think they can compete for SB with very little additions.
(reality)*
with reid at the helm...they need alot of work...ie...legit receivers...legit TE...more defensive playmakers...the big play offense ain't helping this defense out. mcnabb never was and never will be a 40+ passing QB and Kolb isn't even close to being ready. we need alot of work.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2007, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2007, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2007, 07:51:13 PM
i totally disagree...sheldon gets beat less than most corners in the league...and hes all around one of the better corners...but hes on your favorite team so you tend to scrutinize his failures much more...
lito getting hurt too much is a legit point but what are you gonna do take a first round pick on a position because they might get hurt...unless youre suggesting getting rid of lito and replace him with a draft pick...id much rather take a high pick on a position that sucks
The CB position isn't as OK as you might think, though. Even if Lito & Sheldon are fine (which I think they are)... where do you go after that? Will James has been terrible this season, he lost his nickel spot to Joselio... and it'll be a miracle if he's back next year (not that the Eagles would or should want him). So that will create a hole depth-wise. Then, do you trust Hanson to play the nickel full time next year and beyond? He's a decent DB I suppose, but I don't trust him in situations against regular 3 WR sets. Nick Graham is a body. Nothing more, nothing less.
There's not really much depth outside of Lito & Sheldon... and we've already established that Lito has durability issues. They need more quality at CB. I'm not saying go CB in the 1st round, but it should be addressed... and earlier in the draft rather than later.
again i couldnt disagree more...you want every position on the team to have quality starters and depth...in a perfect world that would be great and im all for it but it just doesnt happen and is not realistic...if you wanna bring in a veteran third corner to compete with hanson then fine but if they take a day one corner in the draft it would be a mistake imo
wr
defense front seven
returner
safety
are all much bigger needs than third corner
I never said that CB was our #1 priority. I simply said that it isn't as tight as you might think... and that it should be addressed this offseason. I did however neglect to mention that we could also go the FA route so my bad on that. This defense has 2 corners of significance on it and the way JJ runs this D, strength at that position is a must... not just a nice to have. For that reason, I do want that position to stay a strength and a postion of depth and quality, especially in today's "throwing" NFL... doesn't mean I want pro-bowlers everywhere.
For example... the LB's, as you've discussed just now in the thread... I wouldn't hate it if they returned next year as is and performed as they have this year. They are by no means Ray Lewis & Company but the truth is, they've been a big part of this team's success against the run this year. They are not the liability that they've been the past few years at all. They've been solid all together. Maybe it is due to the slop that we've been accustomed to at the LB position over the years that has me on this position, maybe not... but they've still been a solid, if unspectacular group. If they're allowed to grow together, I think "big plays" can come from this group.
Sheldon is a good corner...but I think he'd be an even better FS, actually. He's bulky enough, has good coverage skills, a good nose for the ball, plays the run well and hits like hell.
FEva hit the nail on the head about the big plays from the LB's. YOu gotta remember that this was the first year for all three of them starting in this defense at their positions. You can see how that affected their play. They started off a little slow, but as the season went on they all got much more solid, didn't over pursue as much, were making tackles, etc. Now with another year in the defense, another year starting at MLB for Gaither, another together and being able to play off of each other, then the potential for them to make some INT's and FF's and big plays is there.
And even you have to admit IGY that Gocong has looked pretty good lately as a blitzing LB, getting pressures and such. When was the last time the Eagles had an effective blitzing LB? Willie T?
I still would like to see JJ employ more of a 3-4 system using Gocong and Gaither as the OLB's, Spikes and Stewie inside.
And even you have to admit IGY that Gocong has looked pretty good lately as a blitzing LB, getting pressures and such. When was the last time the Eagles had an effective blitzing LB? Willie
lol @ getting pressures...at least hes not like mike mamula running off the screen ala intellivision football...thats all ill say for him
you remember the brady sack and thats it...every other time theyve used him out there hes been a couple steps slow and cant get there...face it hes not a guy with a burst or very strong or fast....hes vanilla personified...has been since the day they drafted him...and unless something drastically changes and i dont know what that would be....he always will be...but like i said put him with a stud or even two if possible and ill live with it
gocong gaither and old man spikes aint gonna cut it tho
You gotta remember that this was the first year for all three of them starting in this defense at their positions. You can see how that affected their play.
you truly are a moron...but i love it...keep up the good work...bryant gumbel of the eagle board
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 28, 2007, 03:28:28 PM
I still would like to see JJ employ more of a 3-4 system using Gocong and Gaither as the OLB's, Spikes and Stewie inside.
Then what do you do with an undersized Trent Cole? The dude is a beast but asking him to play that DE/DT hybrid position would neutralize a lot of his talent.
I don't think it's an awful idea to use more 3-4 looks, mind you, but Cole isn't really the prototypical 3-4 lineman.
Cole could definitely get outside looks as a pass rusher. He already drops back in coverage pretty often and does a good job. I'm not saying switch it all over to 3-4, but i'd love to see JJ put in pass rush packages that utilze the talent he has. I agree with IGY Gocong is strongest as a pass rusher. His best games he was put into position to make plays behind the line of scrimmage and did just that.
i do agree that they have much of the personel to do it...but dont you think andy runs the ball 50 times a game before we see jj go 3-4...in fact would you even want jj trying to run something he has no clue about...
as for killa in that alignment he would play the same role demarcus ware plays in dallas and hed be damn good at it
Quote from: rjs246 on December 28, 2007, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 28, 2007, 03:28:28 PM
I still would like to see JJ employ more of a 3-4 system using Gocong and Gaither as the OLB's, Spikes and Stewie inside.
Then what do you do with an undersized Trent Cole? The dude is a beast but asking him to play that DE/DT hybrid position would neutralize a lot of his talent.
I don't think it's an awful idea to use more 3-4 looks, mind you, but Cole isn't really the prototypical 3-4 lineman.
sure he would, hes 6'3 270...whats your prototypical then?
7'8 640
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2007, 03:45:34 PM
i do agree that they have much of the personel to do it...but dont you think andy runs the ball 50 times a game before we see jj go 3-4...in fact would you even want jj trying to run something he has no clue about...
as for killa in that alignment he would play the same role demarcus ware plays in dallas and hed be damn good at it
How friggin hard would it be for JJ to learn/install 5-10 plays using that alignment. I know its a pipe dream, and there certainly is more of a chance of andy pounding the ball all except 10 plays then JJ changing up his same shtein.
oh my bad five to ten plays...i thought you meant switch to a 3-4
switching full alignments from a 4-3 to a 3-4 in the midst of a game is harder than you would think...i think its much simpler to just move players around and try to put them into positions where they can be more successful as you mentioned with gocong...but changing an entire way of playing defense on the run probably isnt the ideal thing to do
It's mostly just waterweight.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2007, 04:05:44 PM
oh my bad five to ten plays...i thought you meant switch to a 3-4
switching full alignments from a 4-3 to a 3-4 in the midst of a game is harder than you would think...i think its much simpler to just move players around and try to put them into positions where they can be more successful as you mentioned with gocong...but changing an entire way of playing defense on the run probably isnt the ideal thing to do
Figured installing a package might be easier than JJ switching his whole philosophy. He's used players in the past in the specialist , a la Joker role. I just want to see Gocong put in rush positons where he has done pretty well, but nowhere near the level that Muson thinks he has played. Killa would be a guy who would Flourish in that role. Then again the guy keeps getting better.
the biggest reason to upgrade juquas spot is it makes cole that much better...hes a beast now imagine having an attention getter across from him
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2007, 04:23:27 PM
the biggest reason to upgrade juquas spot is it makes cole that much better...hes a beast now imagine having an attention getter across from him
exactly, It's why Osi does well in NY. Osi is nowhere close to Killa if he doesnt have a good line with him, and Strahan opposite him. He was sackless up until the eagles game
yeah that POS african sucks...hes so overrated mostly cause he plays in ny...i hate the ny media more than life
I can't stress enough how much this defense needs another star defensive end. I love Cole and all but he's not the prototypical defensive end you're looking for to take over a game. He has his moments and can be devastating but if he had a legitimate, top-flight bookend he would be much, much better. Scary as it is to say, actually.
Get another guy who's in the quarterback's face all day AND can play the run and this defense gets a whole lot better.
Safeties are a huge priority too but if I had to choose between another great safety and another great defensive end, gimme the DE.
Here's what Johnson says about the defense for 2008:
-- need help at cornerback and defensive end
-- Dawk has 1 year left physically...maybe 2
-- Mikell and Considine will compete at SS, with Mikell the favorite to start
-- Considine's second shoulder surgery was better than the first and he'll be back for early camps
-- Will James is gone thanks to Hanson
-- Spikes' option will likely be picked up
-- Nothing at LB is set although Bradley will get more playing time
-- DT is pretty much set
Nothing at LB is set although Bradley will get more playing time
not sure how much of all that you can really take at face value but i really like the above statement
If J.J. doesn't think he needs immediate help at safety then he should be given his gold watch and sent out to pasture.
Mikell & Considine aren't starters. They're special teamers and defensive backups, period.
Well he can't say anything about free agents yet and they'll likely miss out on Kenny Phillips, so for now that's all he can say.
LBs....it'll probably be Gocong/Gaither/Spikes again with Bradley rotating in at SAM or MIKE, Gaither moving out to WILL, maybe moving Gocong to DE once in a while. Might even see some 3-4....
that would be something else if jj ran a 3-4 set but i just dont ever see it happening
Did Davey tell you that, Ed? I'd like to see some 3-4 here and there.
Speaking of Spadaro, he's going up to my family's house in Reading in the next couple of weeks to do a story on our Eagles room and how freakishly obsessed with the Eagles we are. Awesome.
Except for it being Spadaro...the only cool part is the only reason why he's doing it is because the doctor for the Flyers and now the Eagles home games, Gary Dorshimer, is friends with the family and has gone up to watch the game with my family 2 or 3 times this year, and recommended it to Spadaro.
You all care.
And I don't think I said anywhere that Gocong was playing at a "high" level, I just said he's played a lot better then IGY is willing to give him credit for because it's one of those players that IGY has predisposed hate for.
That's all from Roob
Don't lie, Ed. You knew all that yourself.
And I don't think I said anywhere that Gocong was playing at a "high" level, I just said he's played a lot better then IGY is willing to give him credit for because it's one of those players that IGY has predisposed hate for.
wrong chief...on sundays when youre sleeping off a fake hangover from your fake drunken night before im watching the game...then im watching the game again during the week
other than seeing a highlight of his brady sack tell me what youve seen out of gocong this year
he hasnt been breaking up passes...or creating turnovers or living in the backfield...so please tell me what has he done?...your best answer is that hes not as bad as i say...thats not a very strong defense of a player...especially when i havent said hes the worst linebacker in the league or anything....ive merely stated what ive seen this year and that is not very much...of course if you can show me some evidence to the contrary ill glady change my predisposed notion of gocong
To me it makes too much sense to move Bradley to the SAM full time and rotate GoCong with the DE's. GoCong doesn't look bad rushing the passer out of a 3 point stance. He has a decent burst and outside move plus it's his normal position.
As much as Howard's been a disappointment I've noticed the last half of the season he's looked decent in a rotation with the DTs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2007, 05:00:28 PM
that would be something else if jj ran a 3-4 set but i just dont ever see it happening
I dont think we have good enough LB's right now to run a 3-4, no way.
As far as Gocong, he has miles to go before he can be considered anything better than average. Until he goes through a full season at DE and shows some serious potential as a rush threat every play, he'll be just that.
I think if anyone has the most potential its Gaither, who was ranked 19th in the NFC for tackles and one of the best in assists--meaning he was all over the ball. Thats nice to see. He has rising potential
Tackles don't mean shtein. They're counted by the teams themselves, and the stat by itself doesn't note any difference between a tackle in the backfield and one made 25 yards down the field that the defender was just dragged through. Assists is even worse.
Assists is a pretty meanless stats. Quite possibly the most meaningless in all of sports. Yes, more so than VORP.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2007, 05:14:18 PM
And I don't think I said anywhere that Gocong was playing at a "high" level, I just said he's played a lot better then IGY is willing to give him credit for because it's one of those players that IGY has predisposed hate for.
wrong chief...on sundays when youre sleeping off a fake hangover from your fake drunken night before im watching the game...then im watching the game again during the week
other than seeing a highlight of his brady sack tell me what youve seen out of gocong this year
he hasnt been breaking up passes...or creating turnovers or living in the backfield...so please tell me what has he done?...your best answer is that hes not as bad as i say...thats not a very strong defense of a player...especially when i havent said hes the worst linebacker in the league or anything....ive merely stated what ive seen this year and that is not very much...of course if you can show me some evidence to the contrary ill glady change my predisposed notion of gocong
I don't care how drunk I get on a saturday night, my ass is up at 12:45 every sunday for football. Especially if the Eagles are on at 1. I watch and understand the game a hell of a lot more than you, but whatever you want to believe bud.
I don't think anyone expected Gocong to come in and be a play maker his first year starting in a position he's never played in a defense that has a complex scheme. But I also don't think anyone expected him to be as solid as he has been. He's made some tackles in the backfield, he's stuffed some guys at the line, and whether you want to admit it or not, his play against the run is at least PART of the reason why the run defense has improved so much this year. It was his first year starting at LB in JJ's defense. And he's done better then I expected. I'm more then willing to let him play SAM again next year to see if he can make any "big plays" with another year of experience in the system/at the posistion. I've seen a guy that really started to improve after the first few games of the season.
And his pass protection hasn't been horrible either. He's obviously not the sole guy responsible for the TE, but the SS play hasbeen below average this year, and who has hurt them from the TE spot this year other then Witten? Cooley had a TD catch in the first meeting but that was one of only two catches for 25 yards. In fact, they only gave up THREE TD's to TE's all year this year. And the only guy to get over 75 yards on them? Jason Witten. 113 and 77 yards. Gocong, though unspectacular, has done something right this year. Yet you're willing to crown Bradley the next coming based on ONE game.
Good job.
Here's another reason to love Sheldon Brown:
QuoteCornerback Sheldon Brown said he would not want to be rested for such a game.
"As a player, you want to play in that game," he said. "And I know most coaches would want to win that football game, because that's what they preach. Besides, you don't really want to take a week off and lose that chemistry."
Note how he said "most coaches" after Reid said he'd rest his starters. :-D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 28, 2007, 07:45:37 PM
To me it makes too much sense to move Bradley to the SAM full time and rotate GoCong with the DE's. GoCong doesn't look bad rushing the passer out of a 3 point stance. He has a decent burst and outside move plus it's his normal position.
As much as Howard's been a disappointment I've noticed the last half of the season he's looked decent in a rotation with the DTs.
i havent seen enough of bradley to make a definitive judgement but in the small amount i have seen him he has way more explosion than gocong...also not having seen him enough im not sure what hed be more suited at sam or mike...all i know is goconghas to be set up to make a play but scheming him...where as it appears bradley can go and make plays...sd youre the fifth or sixth person (i dont count that moron munson) on the board that has spoken of gocongs burst to the point im almost doubting what my eyes have seen...maybe im not seeing something i should...like i said i hope im wrong
good point on howard..i wouldnt mind at all to see him in the DT rotation next year...tho they may need his money to improvetheir salary cap situation
Howard's paid far too much to play situational DT. Take a huge pay cut or GTFO.
I don't really care to see Howard or Kearse on the team any more unless they sign deals at vet minimum with performance escalators.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 29, 2007, 10:45:37 AM
Howard's paid far too much to play situational DT. Take a huge pay cut or GTFO.
howard is only a little over three mil next year...not peanuts but hardly a number that would require an automatic cut like kearse at eight and a half
nevermind what Kearse is getting paid...a guy who logs 8 tackles and one sack through 15 games isn't worth 3 mil
Quote from: Diomedes on December 29, 2007, 01:27:42 PM
nevermind what Kearse is getting paid...a guy who logs 8 tackles and one sack through 15 games isn't worth 3 mil
you sure those aren't his stats for the last three years?
well, you'd have to quintuple the salary he's drawn, otherwise, yeah..pretty close
Quote"It's harder to sign free agents mainly because up until two years ago, there were a limited number of teams with significant cap room to sign players," Eagles president Joe Banner said. "You just weren't competing against as many teams. Now, 26 out of the 32 teams have a significant amount of cap room, and the other six probably still have room to do things."
A perfect example presented itself Friday when the Colts signed safety Bob Sanders to a five-year, $37.5 million extension that took arguably the best defensive player off the market before he ever got there. Dallas' Patrick Crayton would have been one of the more attractive wide receivers, but he, too, signed a contract extension last week.
Teams also have the option of using the franchise tag, which is another reason the elite free-agent names out there now will never become available.
The Eagles, nevertheless, are hopeful that they can make some key free-agent additions. According to a league source, the Eagles rank only 20th in available salary-cap space. But they should improve that by at least a few spots when they release veteran defensive end Jevon Kearse.
A year ago, the Eagles hit in free agency with the signing of wide receiver Kevin Curtis, but they missed with their signings of veteran defensive tackles Montae Reagor and Ian Scott.
It wouldn't be surprising if the Eagles went after someone like Kansas City defensive end Jared Allen if he became available because the team philosophy puts a high priority on outside pass rushers. Allen, who has 131/2 sacks this season, would be an incredible complement to Trent Cole, who leads the Eagles with 121/2 sacks.
The Eagles have some difficult decisions regarding some of their own players as well.
At the top of that list is tight end L.J. Smith, an unrestricted free agent limited to 10 games this year by groin and knee injuries. Smith finished the season with career lows in catches (22), receiving yards (236), yards per catch (10.7) and touchdowns (1).
The Eagles never came close to an agreement with Smith's agent, Brian Mackler, when the sides tried to negotiate a contract extension, but two league sources have said the team likely will make another effort to re-sign him during the free-agency period. It's also possible the Eagles could place the franchise tag on Smith. The franchise tag for tight ends is $4.37 million.
Defensively, the Eagles probably will seek some help in the secondary because cornerback Lito Sheppard has not been able to remain healthy the last three seasons, and Brian Dawkins is 34 years old and had his share of injury problems this season.
The Eagles, as always, will rely on the draft for help. They figure to have at least 12 picks and possibly 13.
As for the McNabb situation, it seems to be an issue that is as dead as the Eagles' 2007 season will be at around 4 p.m. today.
Unless a team is willing to make the Eagles a blockbuster offer like the one the Dallas Cowboys received from Minnesota for running back Herschel Walker in 1989, then McNabb will be back for a 10th season in Philadelphia
From Brookover today...
I can't see KC letting Allen even get close to the market. But if they do, I still don't see the Eagles making a push to get him simply because of them being in the lower 3rd of teams with money to spend as well as Allen's off-the-field problems as being a drunkard.
LJ Smith is tricky to me. I really don't like him because he's shown himself to be a whiner. And still the guy doesnt know how to carry the farging ball. However, with that being said we all know how much this offense needs a TE to be a potent offense. Judging by what is available on the market, there is no one better. If Celek develops into a decent player, then they would have a pretty good 1-2 combo at the position.
Signing LJ on the cheap, yes. Signing LJ for the average salary of the top 5 tight ends in the league, no thanks.
By the way, that $4.37 million would be for a non-exclusive tag only. LJ could still sign somewhere else if the Eagles don't match. The exclusive franchise tag would be a higher, yet-unspecified salary.
Well, they won't get him on the cheap because Smith and Mackler have been chirping about the salary of TEs all year long. LJ was popping off during camp about the deals signed by Graham (who did nothing in Denver) and Shiancoe (who sucked and still sucks but got a sweet deal from Minny).
My guess is some team will go after him (Tampa or Seattle) and pay him as a top 5 guy. Because I'm with you; they better not drop a load of cash on this guy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2007, 10:46:37 AM
Quote"It's harder to sign free agents mainly because up until two years ago, there were a limited number of teams with significant cap room to sign players," Eagles president Joe Banner said. "You just weren't competing against as many teams. Now, 26 out of the 32 teams have a significant amount of cap room, and the other six probably still have room to do things."
A perfect example presented itself Friday when the Colts signed safety Bob Sanders to a five-year, $37.5 million extension that took arguably the best defensive player off the market before he ever got there. Dallas' Patrick Crayton would have been one of the more attractive wide receivers, but he, too, signed a contract extension last week.
Teams also have the option of using the franchise tag, which is another reason the elite free-agent names out there now will never become available.
The Eagles, nevertheless, are hopeful that they can make some key free-agent additions. According to a league source, the Eagles rank only 20th in available salary-cap space. But they should improve that by at least a few spots when they release veteran defensive end Jevon Kearse.
A year ago, the Eagles hit in free agency with the signing of wide receiver Kevin Curtis, but they missed with their signings of veteran defensive tackles Montae Reagor and Ian Scott.
It wouldn't be surprising if the Eagles went after someone like Kansas City defensive end Jared Allen if he became available because the team philosophy puts a high priority on outside pass rushers. Allen, who has 131/2 sacks this season, would be an incredible complement to Trent Cole, who leads the Eagles with 121/2 sacks.
The Eagles have some difficult decisions regarding some of their own players as well.
At the top of that list is tight end L.J. Smith, an unrestricted free agent limited to 10 games this year by groin and knee injuries. Smith finished the season with career lows in catches (22), receiving yards (236), yards per catch (10.7) and touchdowns (1).
The Eagles never came close to an agreement with Smith's agent, Brian Mackler, when the sides tried to negotiate a contract extension, but two league sources have said the team likely will make another effort to re-sign him during the free-agency period. It's also possible the Eagles could place the franchise tag on Smith. The franchise tag for tight ends is $4.37 million.
Defensively, the Eagles probably will seek some help in the secondary because cornerback Lito Sheppard has not been able to remain healthy the last three seasons, and Brian Dawkins is 34 years old and had his share of injury problems this season.
The Eagles, as always, will rely on the draft for help. They figure to have at least 12 picks and possibly 13.
As for the McNabb situation, it seems to be an issue that is as dead as the Eagles' 2007 season will be at around 4 p.m. today.
Unless a team is willing to make the Eagles a blockbuster offer like the one the Dallas Cowboys received from Minnesota for running back Herschel Walker in 1989, then McNabb will be back for a 10th season in Philadelphia
From Brookover today...
I can't see KC letting Allen even get close to the market. But if they do, I still don't see the Eagles making a push to get him simply because of them being in the lower 3rd of teams with money to spend as well as Allen's off-the-field problems as being a drunkard.
LJ Smith is tricky to me. I really don't like him because he's shown himself to be a whiner. And still the guy doesnt know how to carry the farging ball. However, with that being said we all know how much this offense needs a TE to be a potent offense. Judging by what is available on the market, there is no one better. If Celek develops into a decent player, then they would have a pretty good 1-2 combo at the position.
while i agree with banner about signing FA being harder now...it all just seems/sounds like a excuse they are already getting to use once they end up not doing much.
Interesting little tidbit I noticed while looking at some stats.
McNabb and Brady are currently tied for 3rd best Interception % at 1.4%. Only Gerrard and Garcia threw a fewer % of ints this year and both have thrown a significant less amount of passes.
With 2 more td passes it will mark the 4th time in his career that he's thrown 20+ tds with less than 10 ints. Obviously, that number would be higher were it not for some injury shortened seasons.
The point is, and it's nothing most of us don't know but a lot of us probably lose sight of from time to time is that #5 doesn't turn the ball over. He may hold on to the ball and take a sack that kills a drive but it's always better than a pick.
You also need to take into account that he throws it at the ground 10% of the time, preventing a lot of picks.
But he's helping control the worm population.
Andre Davis returned a kick for a 97 yd td....2nd of the year I believe. I also think he's a FA this year. Get Davis?
Solid finish to the season with 3 straight wins. Yeah, they played themselves out of a decent draft pick but I think it's more important for this team to have rallied at the end of the year with McNabb leading the way than it would have been for them to struggle with any other QB.
Not an overly exciting season to watch but I think this team is better than we thought they'd be at the beginning of the season even though the record may not indicate it. The defense is much better than I think any of us thought they'd be and McNabb will be 100% to start next season.
Mostly they need to do a little tweeking in the offseason rather than make major changes/adjustments. Rebuilding is not necessary.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 30, 2007, 04:21:54 PM
Solid finish to the season with 3 straight wins. Yeah, they played themselves out of a decent draft pick but I think it's more important for this team to have rallied at the end of the year with McNabb leading the way than it would have been for them to struggle with any other QB.
Not an overly exciting season to watch but I think this team is better than we thought they'd be at the beginning of the season even though the record may not indicate it. The defense is much better than I think any of us thought they'd be and McNabb will be 100% to start next season.
Mostly they need to do a little tweeking in the offseason rather than make major changes/adjustments. Rebuilding is not necessary.
WTF :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D How about a @1 WR lol :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
QuoteThe promising thing is they played well enough to win the last 6 games, but only came away with a 3-3 record out of it. Throw in a true #1 WR, or create some more turn overs, or run the ball more...and they're 4-2 or 5-1 and in the playoffs.
Not to mention the stupid plays that cost them games earlier in the season.
All the young LB's look promising....Gaither, Bradley, Gocong, Jordan...How much better would this defense have been over the last few years if Trotter wasn't playing between Dhani farging Jones and Mark Sim/Matt Mccoy/whoever else. When he still had something left in the tank, that is.
Quote from: fansince61 on December 30, 2007, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 30, 2007, 04:21:54 PM
Solid finish to the season with 3 straight wins. Yeah, they played themselves out of a decent draft pick but I think it's more important for this team to have rallied at the end of the year with McNabb leading the way than it would have been for them to struggle with any other QB.
Not an overly exciting season to watch but I think this team is better than we thought they'd be at the beginning of the season even though the record may not indicate it. The defense is much better than I think any of us thought they'd be and McNabb will be 100% to start next season.
Mostly they need to do a little tweeking in the offseason rather than make major changes/adjustments. Rebuilding is not necessary.
WTF :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D How about a @1 WR lol :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
That falls under tweeking ya crazy old man. ;)
Solid finish to the season.
1. Keep McNabb
2. Get some farging WR who knows how to get open
3. another DE to compliment Cole
4. a good nickel corner
5. Special teams help (blocking + returner)
yea a healthy mcnabb and competent wr will do the trick
the defense this year was pretty good, id look for a de in the draft and spend that kearse money on getting larry fitz in here
Larry Fitz is a pipe dream. One that I share with you though.
It'd take some serious draft picks to get him. The Eagles have 13 - so they better use them to get something.
Ray Didinger's wish lists for free agency and draft:
Dallas Clark
Madieu Williams
Bernard Berrian
Travis LaBoy
Corey Williams
Jeff Faine
Chris Long (Virginia DE -- no chance in hell)
Tracy Porter (Indiana CB/KR)
John Carlson (Notre Dame TE)
Limas Sweed (Texas WR)
Felix Jones (Arkansas RB/KR)
Donnie Avery (Houston WR/KR)
berrian is in the same area as curtis and brown. there is no use in getting a wr unless its a 1. you might as well keep glew and avant.
Jeff Faine?
What is wrong with him? Faine sucks. And they have a C who is pretty good (except for the zesty snap today).
Madieu Williams would be nice.
Clark too, but Indy locks his ass up quick.
Berrian? Maybe. Strikes me as a one trick pony though.
LaBoy? Eh.
Williams? Eh.
^ updated the post with draft picks
CSN Postgame Live poll: 60% of audience wants a #1 WR. No other option (DE, S, etc.) was over 20%....
berrian is an nfl version of hank baskett...farg him
make a power move for chad johnson or another legit #1
then draft LB, S, OT
I still don't believe that this team is good enough to win a superbowl. Having said that, if this defense creates a few timely turnovers this season they probably win 2 of those close games and are in the playoffs.
I don't know what to think about next season. They need to add some playmaking on both sides of the ball. The whole team is just vanilla and while they may be a good enough team to make the playoffs as it stands right now they are nowhere near good enough to compete for a superbowl.
Berrian is the best free agent receiver on the market
Wishing the Birds make a move for a real number one, pipe dream
the birds have as good as a chance as anyone in the NFC
the afc is a whole other league. we're not even close
larry fitz 8 rec 136 yrd 1 td in the first half. give up the farm.
Trade for Chad Johnson or go balls to the wall for Fitzgerald and I suddenly become WAY more excited about next season.
exactly...if they want to compete, they need to do something. if they're gonna pass all damn day, get some fargin quality receivers, christ
steve smith or fitz or boldin....all bad ass receivers with no mental issue. i like chad johnson, but i think the TO like attitude isn't getting him a job in philly
spend some money luriestach
Fitz is the brass ring the Eagles won't stretch for.
Steve Smith has mental issues Mussa, he punched someone in the video room and has gone apeshtein many times
Quote from: Diomedes on December 30, 2007, 06:12:14 PM
Fitz is the brass ring the Eagles won't stretch for.
At most, the Eagles will stretch for the brown ring at WR.
11 for 171, 2 TDs ^-^
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 30, 2007, 06:14:09 PM
Steve Smith has mental issues Mussa, he punched someone in the video room and has gone apeshtein many times
If you had Jake Delhomme throwing to you you'd be going postal too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2007, 04:50:55 PM
LaBoy? Eh.
fast freddie told me he's from Hawaii. i wouldn't know about that. ::)
second round pick in 2004 for the Titans. six sacks this year. has a history of injuries though.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5567
re-watching some of the old birds games...mcnabb is to blame sometimes for holding the ball too long. however, when he's in we call plays that take longer to develop, our wr's can't get open, then 5 gets injured/sacked/hit. mcnabb gets killed. then we get a wr one year who can produce and...is that the 2nd season in the past 6 years (if you don't count the rams/bengals games in '04 where we sat a lot of players) and he's playing in nov./dec. then if/when he gets injured, it's the playcalling that's back to the nice short sweet passes and then the few shots downfield. although with garcia, reid lengthened the leash a bit as the season went on. the point is when aj/garcia/detmer are in, we have the typical wco, but lacking in the "explosive" department (plays over 20+ yards). then when 5 is in ar goes aggressive apeshtein and it seems like every 8th play is an aggressive call that is hit or miss, donovan making a big play or getting hit/sacked bc the call was zesty and/or his wr's can't get open and/or he didn't see them in time. reid and co. love to to say how explosive their offense is (in re: 20+ yard plays) - but with that comes their qb getting hit. the only time (1 of 2 years) that don is healthy and we're (relatively) successful, we have a pro-bowl wr. no pro-bowl wr, and he's injured 4 out of 6 years bc the personnel has drastically changed and brainiac reid doesn't adjust the playcalling. he'll still call the same plays, but with james, pinky, na, wilbur, etc. i started at the 02 season bc that was his 4th year, and "it takes" 3-5 years to understand the wco. i figure by the 4th year, mcnabb knows what he's doing by the end of year 3, reid knows that and has confidence in him, and viola, 1st time in 2 years that he's injured.
i'm curious if anyone is not as lazy as i am and is willing to looking up how many times he got hit/hurried/sacked to explosive plays during those years.
off-season sucks.
i'm on it. be back in a minute or two.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 17, 2008, 04:14:06 PM
i'm on it. be back in a minute or two.
WTMF? It's been almost twenty-four hours. You shouldn't lie to people on the internet