The Steelers approach to this game will be as close to what you will see in the regular season as it gets. It will be a great test for the Eagles.
I was away last game, pretty excited to see McNabb in action. :yay
Steelers 30
Eagles 13
Ouch!
Let's just hope every one stays healthy.
finally, Dawk will be back on the field.
Madden!
lolz no cowher eaglez win
Top five things I want to see appart from no injuries, which is a gimme.
1. Stop the Steelers' run game. Considine, Bunkley, and Gaither better look decent at the very least.
2. Much improved offensive line play. MJG on the first team offense. Anymore Scott Young and I may hurt someone. Justice playing up to the hype with which he came out of college.
3. McNabb looking like his old self.
4. Tony Hunt having another type of statement game.
5. Younger guys in the secondary (Barksdale and Gaddis specifically) mixing in and keeping up with first and second string offenses.
Nick Cole is starting at RG, not MJG.
Quote from: Dillen on August 26, 2007, 04:36:31 PM
Nick Cole is starting at RG, not MJG.
Is that a joke? farg, I'd rather see Young in there. Cole has been a revoloving door all preseason.....
No its true, they're cycling through the Guards (Young, MJG, now Cole) to see who's the best in case Andrews can't go.
It's always a great idea to give roster fodder tryouts when your brittle franchise quarterback is planning on playing at least a 1/2 game's worth of snaps.
Maybe they can also send Westbrook on gunner duty on special teams? It's not like they need him anyway.
I thought he was joking at first but Nick Cole really is starting. :sly
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 06:09:37 PM
It's always a great idea to give roster fodder tryouts when your brittle franchise quarterback is planning on playing at least a 1/2 game's worth of snaps.
This is what everyone should be thinking. Cole got farging abused the last two preseason games, against second and third string guys.....what the farg???
At least he's not going against Brett Keisel
I'm hoping he's just there on paper. He might take the first snap, but more of a musical guard kind of a deal. I''m guessing with the cuts coming up, they may have some very specific plays in place for a series to grade Cole out on, and for whatever reason, want to do it with the first team. I guess if this is the case I'd be alright. That fat farg is for every snap in the first quarter, I'll be pissed. MJG needs to be in there - a lot.
jean gillies must really suck
Quote from: PPinDC on August 26, 2007, 07:15:15 PM
I'm hoping he's just there on paper. He might take the first snap, but more of a musical guard kind of a deal. I''m guessing with the cuts coming up, they may have some very specific plays in place for a series to grade Cole out on, and for whatever reason, want to do it with the first team. I guess if this is the case I'd be alright. That fat farg is for every snap in the first quarter, I'll be pissed. MJG needs to be in there - a lot.
I agree . This is probably Coles last stand.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 07:21:12 PM
jean gillies must really suck
I don't know that he sucks, I just think he may be more of a project/prospect that many may have thought. Remember, there were supposedly several teams interested in trading something to get him last year? From what I remember, in college Jean-Gilles was more of a run blocker, and he was a beast at it. I believe the knock on him may be his pass protection was a bit weak.
I'll say this, Jean Gilles has a much better shot at becoming a part in the starting offensive line that farging Nick Cole, even if he is a work in progress. Get him game experience against a first team defense in a real game situation.
the fact that hes "in the mix" going into his second year with scott young and nick cole tells me he aint very good
This needs to be a running team anyway. Put big meat in the middle.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 07:41:26 PM
the fact that hes "in the mix" going into his second year with scott young and nick cole tells me he aint very good
It just tells me Andy Reid is a farging dickhole
Are the Eagles even playing tonight? To listen to the announcers, the Steelers are just scrimmaging against themselves.
Gocong and Gaither getting gashed by Parker, shook Gocong right out of his shoes.
D does a good job of collapsing the pocket, Rotheburger makes a dumb pass, and Scrap iron with a pick!
The pressure has been good though. Gocong really should have gotten Wilson and not went after Roethlisberger, but he had a real good shot at the sack. Then obviously on that play Considine, Gocong and Patterson all got in there. Really stupid play on Roethlisberger's part.
People are going to need to realize Gocong is going to make mistakes. He's never played LB before. Until he starts costing them big points he'll stay in there. He's the most athletic LB and best blitzer potentially they've had in years.
So far the LBs and OL look bad.
Real nice punt by Rocca.
That series was farging stupid. 3rd and 18, Reggie got a 15 yard cushion on the outside. Just give it to him and let him get as many yards as you can, he's good after the catch.
Awesome defensive series there, keeping the Steelers pinned. Considine would have had a safety had Ben not gotten rid of the ball when he did.
Horrible punt by the Steelers. Gotta get a TD here.
I'm not watching the game yet (will watch it later) but is Westbrook hurt or something? Why's he only have one carry so far?
I don't think Westbrook is hurt. They've just been spreading the ball all around.
Avant is looking real good in the #3 role. Curtis with a bad drop near the goal line.
I havent seen westbrook since the first series
I swear to god. This team isn't even going to sniff the NFC Championship game this year. Andy Reid is farging retarded. 2nd and goal, pass, third and goal, pass. Almost got Kevin Curtis farging killed. So far, they've been running the ball well, but I doubt it even crossed the fat farg's mind once he got inside the five.
Curtis bitched out big time there
He did. He probably knew before the ball was snapped he was going to get smoked - bad. If you want to pass the ball in that situation, why to Curtis on a slant? That play developed so slow, the safety had time to stop and get a drink on the way to nail Curits. Why not thow it up a big body like Baskett, or, holy shtein, the tight end?
Pittsburgh is basically moving at will with the short pass.
Considine not remotely physical enough to take down Heath Miller.
i've been saying it all last year, all summer, and all preseason
Considine farging sucks and shouldn't be starting...he farging sucks
they are worse off with him instead of Michael Lewis
He just gave Heath Miller, who was airborne, everything he had. It didn't move Miller a bit.
Just now, I missed Michael Lewis. A lot.
A train ran over Willie Parker there. Sweet goal-line D, and nice blocking by the line judge.
great play by Spikes there
Still no Westbrook. Maybe he is done for the game? I don't really think he needs to be out there.
westbrook has to be hurtz
Spikes is a man beast
I like that they seem to have a "heavy" package on obvious run downs. I like that they put Abiamiri and Howard on the line, and Mikell comes in. Nice stand there.
I remember a couple of weeks ago, Spads was interviewing Considine, and he said something along the lines of, "People only remember the bad plays, like in New Orleans, I think I am better than that."
Well, Sean, you ain't.
I saw Westy on the sidelines, he was standing up, watching. Guessing he's done for the night, which is good.
it was the michael lewis bad plays that got considine a job...so was sean saying lewis should still be here and starting?
So any news on Westbrook?? Where is he?
worried about him getting hurt. he was in there for like 2 plays, got hit a little, thats enough. back to the hyperbolic chamber until green bay.
So far, I haven't missed LJ Smith once this preseason.
westbrook is died
I'm pretty sure they pulled Westbrook which is a good move considering he shouldn't be out there.
-Spikes looks great
-Interior of the D-line looks great
Quote from: MDS on August 26, 2007, 08:53:37 PM
worried about him getting hurt. he was in there for like 2 plays, got hit a little, thats enough. back to the hyperbolic chamber until green bay.
Works for me.I'm just wondering if he's been seen. Can't watch the game until later tonight.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 08:51:24 PM
it was the michael lewis bad plays that got considine a job...so was sean saying lewis should still be here and starting?
Considine was referencing when he got trucked by Deuce and Karney. A couple of plays. It's almost as if Considine looks okay for a while.....decent even, then he gives up a big play - he's normally in the right position, he just can't deliver the big hit, or take one and hold on.
that was a rhetorical question
Quote from: PPinDC on August 26, 2007, 08:56:26 PM
he's normally in the right position, he just can't deliver the big hit, or take one and hold on.
that's like being the first to finish a test but getting all the questions wrong
Quote from: PPinDC on August 26, 2007, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 08:51:24 PM
it was the michael lewis bad plays that got considine a job...so was sean saying lewis should still be here and starting?
Considine was referencing when he got trucked by Deuce and Karney. A couple of plays. It's almost as if Considine looks okay for a while.....decent even, then he gives up a big play - he's normally in the right position, he just can't deliver the big hit, or take one and hold on.
Considine's play-reading plus Lewis' physicality would be a decent player. Unfortunately, Lewis bit on every fake in the world, and Considine hits like my grandma.
buh bye Dirk
Sav Rocca better win that farging punter job.
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on August 26, 2007, 08:56:26 PM
he's normally in the right position, he just can't deliver the big hit, or take one and hold on.
that's like being the first to finish a test but getting all the questions wrong
Not defending the guy, I think he's trash as a starter.
farging Reid's play calling again. Won't call a run inside the five, or when you're trying to get out of the end zone, but he'll run it like a motherfarger on third and nine.
Rocco is a beast, if he doesn't beat out Dirk something is wrong.
Buck looks good, he seems to have regained his burst.
Did I see that right? 59 yards? I can't even see the hang time. Punter battle my ass. Bye, Dirk!
I think Westbrook is just standing on the sidelines...
Rocca with another 70-yder through the air (own 21 to the opposing 9)
Bunkley looks really good.
I really don't get why they didn't go for Reggie Nelson. It's not a big deal because he's not that good in run defense, but neither is Considine, and Nelson sure as hell is a better centerfielder/hitter than Considine. To move up it would have cost like a 3rd or 4th round pick.
At work, a couple Steelers fans were bragging to me about how awesome their new punter is. Well his one punt so far was 14 yards; meanwhile Rocca is kicking ass. Looks like I have a little trash-talking to do tomorrow.
Haha, that punt was weak too.
No Bloom?
Where was bloom?
This game is making no sense (as far as who's playing) right now.
reggie brown and the farging drops again this year?
Reggie Brown is awful tonight
reggie brown drop number 2!
Better play by the coverage guys and that one would have been pinned deep too. Sav is the farging man!
Sav Rocca is a dream boat.
I really don't get why they didn't go for Reggie Nelson
cause mcnabb is on the books for 30 million over the next three years and banner wont be having that
It is odd there is no Bloom, there is a story on PE.com about him playing tonight.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 26, 2007, 09:08:38 PM
It is odd there is no Bloom, there is a story on PE.com about him playing tonight.
Spadaro must have missed his daily suck with Andy and he gave him bat intel.
Gocong is 0 for 3 in the open field.
So nice to see Bunkley actually making his presence felt.
The Eagles seem to have no one who can make a tackle between 4 and 12 yards from the line of scrimmage.
Bunkley and Patterson are getting great push in the middle so far.
Bunkley with a great stop on 1st down, then the YAC and missed tackles kill them on 2nd
what a play by bunkley, then a totally craptastic performance of tackling ensues.
Considine piggybacks Parker for two yards and finally manages to get him down.
considine is a travesty
field must be wet, players lsiding all over the place :-\
3rd down conversions are the best
didinger on Saturday said he thinks Mikell could still win the job, but it was a longshot...after tonight it might not be such a longshot
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 09:14:14 PM
considine is a travesty
That play just now was farging awful. Brown and Dawkins hit the receiver, Considine gets nudged and falls on his ass.
Nice defense.
The lack of pass rush from the DE's is disturbing.
It hasn't been a good night for anyone on the Eagles D who doesn't play on the line.
Gaither pushed all over by Starks, taking Dawk out of the play too
impressive drive...that td play the d-line got raped!!!!
Gaither has not been impressive in his debut as the starter
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 26, 2007, 09:16:52 PM
It hasn't been a good night for anyone on the Eagles D who doesn't play on the line.
Spikes has looked good for the most part.
Tackling is a travesty. Overpursuing on everything.
The Defense is total Jekyl and Hyde right now and Buckhalter can't run the ball... Maybe I won't watch this later after all.
mike patterson is a joke too...cant believe they re upped that guy...he so fat this year
Quote from: mussa on August 26, 2007, 09:15:11 PM
field must be wet, players lsiding all over the place :-\
word
I have no idea what the Eagles are doing anymore.
In a moment of clarity, Madden just did some excellent commentary that summed up Gaither playing MLB.
To paraphrase, "That's the problem you're going to have there. Not saying if Trotter was there it's not a touchdown, but if you have a guard come free to your MLB, he better be able to stone him or at least make him miss, and Gaither won't do that against a guy like Starks."
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 26, 2007, 09:17:49 PM
The Defense is total Jekyl and Hyde right now and Buckhalter can't run the ball... Maybe I won't watch this later after all.
Buckhalter looks pretty good.
McCoy looks good on st
gaither isnt a middle linebacker...its as simple as that...its hard to believe he gonna be starting there opening day...but thats what happens tho when you totally miss on a position for as long as the eagles have...really from the time they got carlos emmons to takeo spikes they have utterly failed at the LB position...whats that five plus years?
spikes got the shtein held out of him on that play
Still can't defend screens--though Spikes was getting groped up the field.
Eagles D still unable to handle the short pass.
it's all over they suck. also, igy that is incredibly accurate hates white people.
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 09:23:55 PM
spikes got the shtein held out of him on that play
Its preseason for the refs too
A DB finally did some thing positive. Nice knockdown by Sheldon (although the pass sucked).
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 26, 2007, 09:28:54 PM
A DB finally did some thing positive. Nice knockdown by Sheldon (although the pass sucked).
Barksdale taught him everything he knows.
Yay. We get to see if Andy has improved his clock management.
Is there something wrong with Bloom?
good work for cobb...2 minute offense with the ones
3 and out
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 09:32:33 PM
good work for cobb...2 minute offense with the ones
I know I'm impressed.
3-13
haha @ gocong
no pass rush tonight
how do you not catch that
Big Ben is gonna lead the league in picks again.
Steelers have almost 300 yards this half. Eagles D is reminds of the Phils pitching.
why do they take Bunkley out in passing situations? patterson gets no penetration and it allows the quarterback to step up in the pocket whenever the ends up pressure on him, it's pathetic
The first team defense has given up 300 total yards in the half.
I'm not going to to say this game definitavely shows that letting Trotter go was a mistake, but the defense, as compared with last week, looks completely lost. Especially behind the line.
It also appears that Nick Cole took every snap, and I'm not sure what that means, but it doesn't make me feel good.
This team looks like hot garbage. Again.
300 goddamn yards in the first half? Disgusting.
Considine looks like shtein, Gaither looks lost, Gocong has missed three tackles in the open field, and whenever the Eagles run a blitz, Roethlisberger knows it before they do.
Just awful.
Gocong is horrible.
that kick was not good
I really hope the defense isn't as bad as it looks tonight.
3rd down conversions. Same ish for 5 years now...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 09:40:36 PM
whenever the Eagles run a blitz, Roethlisberger knows it before they do.
Lends credence to IGY's argument that the league has Jimmy J completely figured out. His blitzes don't seem to have any teeth at all. The Steeler's O-line is giving a class on how to pick them up.
Bradley needs some reps with the starters. The Gocong experiment is a failure.
At least Bloom and Westbrook look good.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 26, 2007, 09:43:02 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 09:40:36 PM
whenever the Eagles run a blitz, Roethlisberger knows it before they do.
Lends credence to IGY's argument that the league has Jimmy J completely figured out. His blitzes don't seem to have any teeth at all. The Steeler's O-line is giving a class on how to pick them up.
People started saying that two years ago, my friend.
I really want to like Gocong....but the dude overcommits and falls down every farging play. If the D line continues to get no pressure, these LBs are going to be horrendous.
I really want to like Gocong
why
Quote from: PPinDC on August 26, 2007, 09:43:02 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 09:40:36 PM
whenever the Eagles run a blitz, Roethlisberger knows it before they do.
Lends credence to IGY's argument that the league has Jimmy J completely figured out. His blitzes don't seem to have any teeth at all. The Steeler's O-line is giving a class on how to pick them up.
It has been like that since there loss in the Super Bowl.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 09:45:11 PM
I really want to like Gocong
why
It wasn't his idea to be drafted as an OLB.
I really want to like all the players on the Eagles. Unfortunately tonight they aren't giving me a whole lot to like.
lolz @ the Eagles website.
The poll:
QuoteGrade Omar Gaither so far:
A
B
C
Incomplete
Impossible
Defense is laughable at this point.
Jim Johnson's D hasn't been good in a long time now. I can't wait until the old coot retires.
you gotta feel for takeo having to play next to omar gaither and chris gocong...chris motherfarging gocong is a starting linebacker in the nfl...are you serious?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 09:49:59 PM
you gotta feel for takeo having to play next to omar gaither and chris gocong...chris motherfarging gocong is a starting linebacker in the nfl...are you serious?
He probably wishes he was back in Cincy :-D
this team is horrible (tonight).
Quote from: Quasimoto on August 26, 2007, 09:49:33 PM
Jim Johnson's D hasn't been good in a long time now. I can't wait until the old coot retires.
If they have another horrible season defensively he should be forced to retire.
Something also needs to be said about the offensive playcalling. It's classic Reid.
Quote
2nd Quarter
Start Time Time Poss Drive Began # of Plays Yards Gained Result
11:35 0:52 PIT 44 3 1 Punt
05:34 1:45 PHI 20 4 16 Punt
01:49 0:46 PHI 26 3 -2 Punt
The defense was out there a lot. I'm very curious to know why Marty isn't calling the plays anymore.....I don't even see him on the sidelines. Think the pass/run ratio is skewed big time as usual.
Really hoping Bradley is another Trent Cole. If not, this defense could be completely farged.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2007, 09:49:59 PM
chris motherfarging gocong is a starting linebacker in the nfl...are you serious?
Should I take back the GoCong 75th anniversary butta joint I got you for Kwanzaa?
how do you know Andy isn't calling the plays? i haven't seen anything that leads me to think that he is calling them. i don't even see him holding a play sheet anymore
Bloom finally makes an appearance and looks hurt
time for Max-Jean to farg somebody up.
nice blitz pickup by Hunt
this has just been a very hooo hummm game....and that's being polite
fricken madden is actually making some sense tonight. great observation about baskett looking back at the qb while running down field.
Seeing Tony Hunt run in an Eagles jersey makes me happy in my pants.
nice run by reno, oops i mean davis.
Avant has a great set of hands, and Hunt stoned a LB nasty like on that blitz.
So was Andy calling plays in the first half and now Marty took over?
andy was never calling the plays
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 26, 2007, 10:05:42 PM
So was Andy calling plays in the first half and now Marty took over?
:yay :-D
I'll punch Al Michaels in the face. "Justice didn't prevail." Assclown.
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:06:12 PM
andy was never calling the plays
Allow me to introduce you to my friend Sarcasm. He's a great guy, you'll love him.
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:06:12 PM
andy was never calling the plays
I know at one point in the first quarter he was, he had the play sheet and they showed him several times covering his face with it like he always does.
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 26, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:06:12 PM
andy was never calling the plays
Allow me to introduce you to my friend Sarcasm. He's a great guy, you'll love him.
in my defense, there are other people here who actually believe he's been calling plays tonight.
Quote from: NGM on August 26, 2007, 10:07:17 PM
I'll punch Al Michaels in the face. "Justice didn't prevail." Assclown.
saved my ass whipping for joe buck when he unleashes his first love of tony romo's butt cheese.
Yay, another figgie... On that note I'm out for a bit.
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:08:57 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 26, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:06:12 PM
andy was never calling the plays
Allow me to introduce you to my friend Sarcasm. He's a great guy, you'll love him.
in my defense, there are other people here who actually believe he's been calling plays tonight.
Inside the 20 two farging times in the first quarter and came away with 3 stinking points.
Sure looks and sounds like a Reid-called game.
Marty also called a goal line pass to Thomas Tapeh in a playoff game, he's certainly no Bill Walsh
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:15:18 PM
Marty also called a goal line pass to Thomas Tapeh in a playoff game, he's certainly no Bill Walsh
why did you remind me! :boom
because i want everyone to be a miserable as me tonight
RB screen = death of birds. 100% success rate so far by the steel beams.
Charlie Batch, everyone
20-6
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:15:18 PM
Marty also called a goal line pass to Thomas Tapeh in a playoff game, he's certainly no Bill Walsh
That's exactly what I was talking about. They were inside the ten and that clown is calling pass plays instead of jamming the farging ball down Pittsburgh's throat.
Getting run on is demoralizing and I swear to farging God I cannot understand why the fat farg and his little bitch ass goatee-wearing handmaid refuse to accept that.
Down the stretch last year gave me hope. And then you see shtein like you saw tonight.
farg this team.
When do pitchers and catchers report?
That actually looked like decent coverage by Barksdale on the deep pass to Washington. Sweet pass by batch.
With Trotter gone, I tried to watch Roper pretty closely, as so far, he makes Considine look like a wrecking ball.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:15:18 PM
Marty also called a goal line pass to Thomas Tapeh in a playoff game, he's certainly no Bill Walsh
When do pitchers and catchers report?
POW :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 10:19:58 PM
When do pitchers and catchers report?
my head almost exploded
Eh - my first mistake was not going out. My second mistake was not watching Big Love. My third mistake was not drinking until I involuntarily shtein and pissed my pants.
Celek's brining pride back to that #87
i know it's only preseason and all that crap but i am really pissed right now.
UH football next week against Northern Colrado. That should be alot like this 300 yards to 89 yards in the firat half but the score wil be 35-0.
what a super fun game this is!
QuoteOh, I think Considine made a bad play on the completion to Heath Miller. I agree with that. He also had seven tackles and blitzed well and made some plays there. He isn't perfect, so chill out. The Eagles gave up a lot of plays in the first half on screens, etc. They stopped the run. The cover schemes, etc, aren't what they will be.
Guess who?
:-D
Still can't get 1 yard by running
Quote from: Don Ho on August 26, 2007, 10:06:34 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 26, 2007, 10:05:42 PM
So was Andy calling plays in the first half and now Marty took over?
:yay :-D
I was thinking the same thing, that and our pass defense is making the run defense look awesome tonight.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 10:32:20 PM
QuoteOh, I think Considine made a bad play on the completion to Heath Miller. I agree with that. He also had seven tackles and blitzed well and made some plays there. He isn't perfect, so chill out. The Eagles gave up a lot of plays in the first half on screens, etc. They stopped the run. The cover schemes, etc, aren't what they will be.
Guess who?
:-D
Sean's pop-pop?
in a series of shocking developments:
considine looked like a small, white guy trying to tackle bigger, stronger players.
gaither looked too small to play mlb.
gowrong looked like a div 1AA DE trying to play OLB in the nfl.
but hey, the punter looked pretty good! :yay
The fact of the matter is this team is going to get steamrolled by bigger and more aggressive offenses. Of course, that's nothing new.
Still, it's a good thing the Eagles traded out of the first round and got their quarterback of the future. After all, Andy saw him on television as a freshman and fell in love!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 10:32:20 PM
Guess who?
I actually agree with the point that he's blitzing well. Even so, I've laid shteins that are worth more than Considine.
he's blitzing well because the offense knows they can let him run free because he won't do shtein if he gets to the qb
Kolb with 3 impressive drives. Let's see if this one ends up with some points...
Colt Brennan getting some love from Madden as Ilaoa gets a few runs. Too bad nobody gets to see his games except Don Ho....
everytime he drops back, you can see he's looking deep, i guess it's good he's not forcing them, but i'd like to see him try a deep ball just to see how he throws it
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:50:50 PM
he's blitzing well because the offense knows they can let him run free because he won't do shtein if he gets to the qb
Exactly.
WTF was he going to do if he got to Roethlisberger - yell BOO!?
Kolb to Vickers for the TD
20-13
Vikkers for livez
Quote from: Don Ho on August 26, 2007, 10:18:44 PM
RB screen = death of birds. 100% success rate so far by the steel beams.
yeah can someone explain this one to me? we run tons of screens to our RBs and TEs and we run them usually pretty well so why is it that our defense is caught so off guard on every single one?
im sorry but the D looks horrible. they got lucky on that goal line stands where parker fumbled but they drove down on us easily by running and passing all throughout the first half. we still get no pressure whatsoever with our front 4 and even when we blitzed we rarely got to burger. under pressure burger almost always found the open man running across the field for a big pick up.
not impressed with our D at all. no pressure and we still cant stop the run.
offensively...i dont know who was calling the plays...andy or marty but they sucked. nothing seemed to have changed. we were airing it out way more than i would have liked.
all in all i didnt like anything anybody did on our side besides maybe tony hunt having some good runs in the 2nd half.
oh yeah and bloom sucks too so we have another yr of crappy ST ahead of us.
1000% chance andy goes for 2 if they score, right?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 26, 2007, 10:50:50 PM
he's blitzing well because the offense knows they can let him run free because he won't do shtein if he gets to the qb
Exactly.
WTF was he going to do if he got to Roethlisberger - yell BOO!?
No, but he could bat his arm as he goes back to pass causing a lame duck pass for an INT.
No, I'm not defending Considine...I don't think he's good...but he did make that play tonight.
Kolb with a 4th impressive drive in a row, now inside the Steelers 30 with 1:58 left
sigh...fumble returned for a TD 80 yards
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 11:11:26 PM
sigh...fumble returned for a TD 80 yards
:-D I got back just in time. This game roxs!
Vickers is teh suckz
Kolb with a nice long pass that won't count....or I guess it does even though the replay showed otherwise...
did celek play tonight? i don't remember seeing him out there.
ha...Kolb now has the most preseason passes in the entire NFL
game over. 4 long drives by Kolb and 3 died on 4th down
27-13 final
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 11:21:33 PM
ha...Kolb now has the most preseason passes in the entire NFL
Thankyou Andy Reid
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 11:21:33 PM
ha...Kolb now has the most preseason passes in the entire NFL
ha there goes the more run oriented team.
this game was infuriating. burger put up 200+ passing yds on our starters and this is with our excessive blitzing.
if we only had more project players out there competing and mixing it up. more bullets...we need more bullets.
McNabb to Kolb, "Arm hurt? What I tell ya? Soon, they'll be scaping you up with a spatula just like me."
they go overboard on blitzes every year so i'm not worried about the secondary other than Considine being knocked over by a sheep
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 26, 2007, 11:26:33 PM
they go overboard on blitzes every year so i'm not worried about the secondary other than Considine being knocked over by a sheep
yeah and seemingly each yr every opponent seems to pick us apart more and more. our 2ndary is not what it used to be with vincent and taylor. teams now know enough about our defense to counter the blitz. the defense gets gashed up the middle and then they pick on the corners when they are left alone by themselves.
going into the season i was really worried about the defense and 2 out of the 3 games so far have shown that it might be worse than i thought.
i have yet to see this line get any pressure on the QB without the help of the blitz.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 10:22:42 PM
My third mistake was not drinking until I involuntarily shtein and pissed my pants.
The night is still young.
Ian Scott and Montae Rigor looked excellent out there tonight. Solid pickups. The rotation is going to be great this year. Good push. High hopes. Kill me.
Chris Gocong thinks he's playing well, i think that's super
None of the visitor locker room showers are working, so the players have to fly home smelling like gym class
he looks dreamy
Jade McCarthy is hawt, needs it in the cheerio
she may be hawt, but she's awful as a sports show anchor
She and Jamie Apody are brutal reporters
McNabb press conference on now....blaming the suckiness on that damn vanilla stuff again....
if i was a real reporter in this city, i would punch Dave Spadaro in the face every time he asked a question in a press conference
Lito joking around with Steeler ex-Gators, says he's worried about the awful tackling
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 11:55:29 PM
She and Jamie Apody are brutal reporters
mute fellas, mute. I like to play Before they were Stars in the background, then its a money broadcast by Jade
The defense looked lost out there a lot. This might turn into a long season and my liver is not looking forward to all the overtime!
Considine's hit tonight was a disgraceful effort, but outside of that he played fine tonight. Am I concerned about him getting run over? Yes, but tonight he was fine. The linebackers outside of Spikes were a much bigger problem than Considine was tonight. It wasn't even close.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 10:55:07 PM
Colt Brennan getting some love from Madden as Ilaoa gets a few runs. Too bad nobody gets to see his games except Don Ho....
now why wouldn't you stay up until 3:30 AM EST to watch Colt play? well maybe 4:30 AM with all the passing Hawaii does, 4+ hour games are not anything unusual around here.
Quote from: King Cole on August 27, 2007, 12:51:47 AM
Considine's hit tonight was a disgraceful effort, but outside of that he played fine tonight. Am I concerned about him getting run over? Yes, but tonight he was fine. The linebackers outside of Spikes were a much bigger problem than Considine was tonight. It wasn't even close.
No, he wasn't fine. He was horrendous. He's a liability in the defensive backfield. If you don't have a strong safety who can be a force in the run game, you have serious trouble. The Eagles have serious trouble at the position.
As for the linebackers, Spikes played well. Gaither's head was on a swivel and Gocong was an absolute train wreck.
They'll be fine against lesser teams, but again, lesser teams don't get to the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl is supposed to be the goal for this team. Judging how they got steamrolled (again) in the first half, I'd say they're about as far from being a Super Bowl contender as it gets at least defensively.
Our starting SS who can't tackle my grandmother has a concussion.
cj gaddis era starts NOW
last nights game didnt really bother me...for one it was preseason and they played against a superior afc team...the eagles dont match up with the steelers well at all and simply arent as good
the maddening thing is that they are getting exposed in the exact areas predicted here for going on two years...the second gocong was drafted you knew it was a mess and considine has always been at best a special teamer...why can an idiot like me see these things so easily and a pro football coach/gm cant
QuoteChris Gocong is still a project, as expected. He missed some tackles in the open field. He is still learning angles and pursuit and the nuances of the position. I think teams are going to go at him in the passing game. He will get better.
farging disgusting. I especially love the last bit of spin. He'll get better? Wow. That's comforting considering I don't see any possible way he can get any worse.
I'll focus on the positives:
Sheldon and Lito looked very good.
Bunkley so far looks the the real deal against other teams #1's
Spikes eats babies
McNabb really has good pocket presence, but he needed to use the TE's more often
Jason Avant has amazing hands, he catches almost everything thrown his way. I'm even more impressed when he has the ball and how many guys it seems to take him down.
Kolb is improving from the last game.
Dawkins hit the field, he did seem a little tenative but i know he'll be full speed Sept 9th
Tony Hunt is exactly what i thought he is, a friggin train. Gotta love how he was powering thru Steelers after the first hit.
he doesnt have the tools to be a linebacker...he cant run with anyone cant tackle at this level and has no stand out attribute...other than i suppose hes smart...
but you can learn how to play the position for the next decade however if you dont have the physical skill set to play a particular position it doesnt matter how much you know you are not gonna be able to get by
My observations:
1. This better be the last year of JJ. Any young def. coordinators we can lure away with all Lurie's money?
2. I will give Gocong the benefit of the doubt. He is playing a new position and it is still early. Too soon for Bradley but can go to him if the season gets away from them. Need to put Spikes in the middle and put Gaither back at OLB.
3. Considine. Looked good on the blitz but can't tackle. So we go from a safety who can't cover to one who can't tackle. Isn't Parrish from the 49er's available? I hate to take a re-tread but I don't know if Gaddis is ready and not sure Mikell is worth more than starting part time. Any other available safeties?
4. I thought Buck ran strong tonight. I think Westbrook, Buckhalter and Hunt can be a good running backfield. If Andy ever calls their number.
you guys need to relax. The f-in Colts gave up over 650 rushing yards last year in 4 pre-season games and where did they end up? Better yet, how did there defense do down the stretch?
let them learn the defensive schemes and their positions to be in before you crucify them on every play. Its going to take time. They will be fine
"They'll be fine."
That's nice. Unfortunately, I was hoping for more than 'fine' from this team.
Silly me.
I believe igy said this last night but you really do have to feel sorry for Spikes. The fact that he's starting next to Gocong and Gaither is almost more comical than it is infuriating.
reggie brown is definitely the next chad johnson........definitely.
the problem with the defense is the same as the offense. its so god damn predictable! seriously...everyone knows we've been running the same defense for years, and for years some teams have capitalized. Now its almost like every team game plans. What do the eagles do? They stick to the game plan no matter what the opponents offense is doing. They do not adjust! Look at last night how Pitts offense totally exposed the blitzing Eagles D. Screen after screen, short quick passes where linebackers were blitzing. Everytime the eagles showed bliutz, they blitzed! Hello@! Show blitz and then back off for once! Jim Johnson is not fooling anyone, just like Fat farg.
I dn't even want to get into the offense...fargin sad
I'm not worrying about this team in the Preseason. They go vanilla every year, Andy insists its Turkey Hill Vanilla bean every time. The front line looks strong, the LB's need work outside of spikes obviously. Dawk will regain his form, and considine is what he is.
Hah, all assuming the playcalling goes well. I agree the team has players to win, not the coaches to win though. I seriosuly hope that Johnson or Reid are gone this year.
I'll say this right now...the downfall of this team will be the defense. And not because of Gaither or Constidine...it's the archaic scheme.
Johnson should have been let go after last year.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 27, 2007, 09:04:25 AM
I'll say this right now...the downfall of this team will be the defense. And not because of Gaither or Constidine...it's the archaic scheme.
Johnson should have been let go after last year.
i definitely second that, he has been here too long. Why didnt they try to get Ron Rivera
its not the scheme or jim johnson...its the players...pittsburgh has been running the same scheme for the last 15 years and they are always at or near the top...
the difference is they add players to the system that can actually play...from jason gildon to levon kirkland to gerg lloyd to joey porter to james farrior and on and on and on...while the eagles add sean considine omar gaither mike patterson and chris gocong
I'm not a sky-is-falling guy, but there wasn't much about last night that made me think they'd be fine. The defense looked completely porous. They were getting pushed all over the field, and when they did miraculously have a shot at a ballcarrier, they couldn't tackle. Somehow, Gocong made Chad Lewis look like a Weeble-- was there one play when his feet didn't slip out from under him? Another game like that, and the Bradley era, such as it is, may have to begin.
I really do wonder how much shuffling they're going to have to do at LB if the d line isn't great.
The bad:
-Reggie Brown looked fairly terrible. Seemed disinterested, couldn't catch and took that retarded penalty.
-McNabb and Curtis must have a love/hate relationship-- McNabb seems to want to go to Curtis, but it seems like he's trying to get Curtis killed.
-LBs not named Spikes were a mess.
-This just in...Considine can't tackle.
-D-line, particularly the ends, were invisible.
-Dawkins didn't look like himself. He wasn't flat-out bad, but he looked a little slow.
-O-line. Andrews better get healthy in a hurry.
-If the DBs drop those easy Ints in the regular season, I'm going to break things.
The Not-as-bad:
-McNabb looks pretty healthy
-Tony Hunt looks better than I thought he'd be. I actually think he looks better than Buck, at least as a runner.
-Celek still looks like he can play.
-James wasn't as bad as I'd heard he'd looked before...but he wasn't good.
-I think Bloom will be okay, assuming he gets that toe right.
-Kolb looked better than I thought he'd look at this point.
-Rocca looks legit....and he'd likely play OLB better than Gocong.
i cant see the eagles using a roster spot for a punt returner who hasnt yet shown he can return punts...i think bloom is gone
oh yean Sav Rocca has to win the punting job, dood is ridiculously good
A little commentary on Considine from the place that shall not be named:
Quote
I was willing to give Sean Considine the benefit of the doubt. Ok, a shoulder injury prevented him from bulking up and thus he was under 200 pounds. So he bulks up to 215. I'm hoping this helps because he is around the ball a lot. Problem is: he just isnt a playmaker. He's a heat-seeking dud. He just doesn't put enough into his hits and it really shows, not just when he got punked by Heath Miller, but every tackle he makes hes getting dragged by the running back for 3-4 yards. He's like a human cape. I'm sure this subject has been beaten to death so I'm gonna take a lot of heat for posting, but whatever. We might want to look into splitting time between him and Mikell or just look to pick up another strong safety after final cuts or something.
:-D
Quote from: reese125 on August 27, 2007, 08:18:50 AM
let them learn the defensive schemes
hopefully they learn the scheme where they tackle soon
Precisely. The scheme was very vanilla, that's great. But the scheme doesn't cover tackling, blocking or catching, all of which were abyssmal as mentioned above.
You still have to perform basic skills, even when you haven't game planned.
Speaking of dropped passes, Brown looked stoned last night. I don't know what his deal is but he better get his ass in gear.
Also - loved the ball that Kolb threw on his last play to Vickers in the end zone. Nice zip on the ball and right into the waiting hands of Vickers. Too bad Vickers let it sail right through his hands, but still, nice. . .
Kolb looked to have much more confidence last night. I like his skill set, kind of like Garcia.
Just got to watch the game tape from last night... I'm really starting to wonder if Bloom is even going to make this team. Not just because he didnt play much last night, but if you think about it, it almost makes more sence to have a guy like Buck returning kicks because he'd make the team as a running back most likely anyway. I dont think bloom makes the team as a wide receiver, barring some natural disaster.
I'm really tired of everyone making a huge deal about Bloom. He's shown jack in the preseason imo. I dont care if the guys got a fargin rocket strapped on his back, if he cant break a tackle, he better not be returning kicks/punts
I can't believe how some of you are complaining about the play calling. This is all part of Mr. Reid's master plan. I'm telling you, he's got the rest of the league right where he wants them. Right now, every other HC is thinking that this is just the same old Andy Reid who likes to throw the ball when he should be running it. So when the season starts, he's totally going to trick everyone and run the ball in those situations. We've just got to have a little faith gents.
Praise Reid.
the kangaroo...the magician and the mechanical engineer...IN
the skier...OUT
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 27, 2007, 01:09:40 PM
Just got to watch the game tape from last night... I'm really starting to wonder if Bloom is even going to make this team. Not just because he didnt play much last night, but if you think about it, it almost makes more sence to have a guy like Buck returning kicks because he'd make the team as a running back most likely anyway. I dont think bloom makes the team as a wide receiver, barring some natural disaster.
I'm really tired of everyone making a huge deal about Bloom. He's shown jack in the preseason imo. I dont care if the guys got a fargin rocket strapped on his back, if he cant break a tackle, he better not be returning kicks/punts
whos making a big deal off him? i think after the first preseason game ppl were just happy to see someone with speed and not mahe. but that has worn off and i think everyone realizes that the only way he ever takes one for a TD is if all the blocking is perfect and he has to run in a straight line.
i had forgotten about reggie brown's dropped passes....thanks for reminding me guys. this team looks exactly the same as last season pre mcnabb injury. passing too much...dropped passes...short offensive drives...defense cant stop the run or pressure the QB...horrible ST return teams.
i don't think Bloom has been good, but i also think the blocking has been abysmal.
whos making a big deal off him?
People who obviously arent watching the game.
Quote from: SunMo on August 27, 2007, 01:39:07 PM
i don't think Bloom has been good, but i also think the blocking has been abysmal.
Truth.
Single best event from last night was a non-event:
No injuries.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 27, 2007, 11:10:52 AM
Kolb looked to have much more confidence last night. I like his skill set, kind of like Garcia.
Homo?
Man - they're really circling the wagons over Considine.
QuoteThen if you such an expert, why not jump on Q for his late support on the pass that beat Barksdale? Why criticize one player and not the other? I love Q and he will play a lot, too.
was that Dave again?
Either Dave or Dave channeling Joe Banner.
Mike Tanier (FOXsports, Football Outsiders) on the Game:
QuoteGaither isn't the problem, even after that Willie Parker touchdown (the D-line got washed out on that play). Linebacker Chris Gocong is the problem. He cannot move laterally. Watch any of the three dozen or so Steelers screens or flat passes that went for big yardage in the first half, and you will see Gocong overpursue, then lunge backwards. The Eagles get him off the field on passing downs, which is a blessing, but he really looks like a converted defensive end whenever he plays in space.
I saw the pass defense as a bigger problem than the run defense for the Eagles in the first half. The containment wasn't there on the pass rush and the tackling wasn't there on short passes. Plus, some of the blitz packages looked like confused playground stuff.
Offensively, I don't think Nick Cole is the solution to the Shawn Andrews problem, and Reggie Brown has the Darrell Jackson thing where he just drops these easy little passes. On the flip side, McNabb didn't make too many bad throws (though he fumbled once), his incompletions were a lot of drops and a fingertips play on a bomb to Curtis. I don't think there's a problem with the offense.
Quote from: methdeez on August 27, 2007, 03:21:18 PM
Mike Tanier (FOXsports, Football Outsiders) on the Game:
QuoteLinebacker Chris Gocong is the problem. He cannot move laterally. he really looks like a converted defensive end whenever he plays in space.
WELCOME TO TRAINING CAMP 2006!!
Even though I don't want to put a whole lot of stock in a pre-season game, I'm glad we don't have to play the Steelers again unless it's in the Superbowl. Roethisberger looks to be in mid-season form. He was eating the Eagles blitz with bread. And they have good backs. They are a much better team. At least right now. Mike Tomlin has them well prepared, and they will be tough to beat especially at home this year.
This teams linebacking corps has been bad for a while, and if Reid doesn't draft a genuine middle linebacker, then we will continue to get run on. I don't know that Trotter would have made a dif last night.
Again, the only thing I think you can analyze after a pre-season game are fundamentals. And there was a lot to be unhappy about as a Birds fan in that regard.
Trotter wouldn't have made a lick of difference last night because MLB wasn't the problem. Gaither did an okay job out there even if he occasionally got abused worse than Jodie Foster in "The Accused."
The problem (as has been rehashed a million farging times already) is Gocong. He has no business playing SAM. Teams have to be salivating at the prospect of bombarding the Eagles with screen passes and intermediate shtein over the middle.
I know I would be.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 27, 2007, 04:48:16 PM
Again, the only thing I think you can analyze after a pre-season game are fundamentals. And there was a lot to be unhappy about as a Birds fan in that regard.
Tackling no.1 on that list
That TD run up the middle that Parker had wasn't a screen pass. Were was Gaither then?
I'm not saying Gogong wasn't a problem either, but he wasn't the only one.
gaither was getting raped by a guard. Trotter wouldn't have done much better.
The D-line needs to keep the oline off the LB's or it's gonna be a long ass season.
Quote from: Munson on August 27, 2007, 04:56:32 PM
gaither was getting raped by a guard. Trotter wouldn't have done much better.
The D-line needs to keep the oline off the LB's or it's gonna be a long ass season.
Thats why you need a MLB who can play and is over Gaithers 230 lbs. But this team can't see that, they've waited way too long to find a comparable backup to Trotter. They think that speed will compesate for todays pass happy offenses, but good teams like the Steelers will pound it down your throat.
I hope Gogong is gone and Bradley starts the next game. Who knows, maybe you move Gaither to the outside and start Bradley in the middle before its all said and done. Thing is, because of Rieds refusal to address the linebacking situation on this team, you have players out of position, and players who just can't play. It's bad.
38 rushing attempts, 48 passing attempts.
Just in case no one noticed.
The point is Trotter, in his current state of suckiness, would have been beaten by the 330 pound guard too. It's the job of the D-line to eat up as many blockers as possible and let the LB's be free to make tackles. Or they need to make the plays themselves. They did neither on that play.
Bunkley made Faneca look like a wet-behind-the-ears rookie on a couple of plays.
which pisses me off even more when they take him out and leave patterson in during passing downs
rothelisberger had all day to step up and throw last night, the ends got decent pressure but the middle of the pocket stayed strong and gave him time. leave bunkley in and let him rush the passer. do we really need darren howard rushing the passer from the tackle position?
I've always thought the rotation thing was horseshtein. Get four guys who can play three downs and stick with them. If one of them gets hurt or needs a blow, then fine, substitute his ass. I can't stand the "specialist" mentality that Johnson espouses.
All that says to me is they don't have players who can play the rush and pass equally well.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 27, 2007, 05:25:40 PM
I've always thought the rotation thing was horseshtein. Get four guys who can play three downs and stick with them. If one of them gets hurt or needs a blow, then fine, substitute his ass. I can't stand the "specialist" mentality that Johnson espouses.
All that says to me is they don't have players who can play the rush and pass equally well.
exactly. it sounds great sometimes like oh wow we have pass rushing specialists but all that says is they are undersized speed guys who cant other wise stop the run. i mean you would think by now....9 yrs into Reid's regime he and the defensive coordinator would have realized "hey we get run over all the time and our blitzing is no longer effective...maybe just maybe we should get a run stopping DT and some LBs who actually are good LBs.".
where is that al wilson rumor when you need it?
Al Wilson and Simeon Rice. Two injured vets on the downside will fit right in!
But in all honesty, Rice hurt or not can't be worse than Kearse has been, can he?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 27, 2007, 05:25:40 PM
I've always thought the rotation thing was horseshtein. Get four guys who can play three downs and stick with them. If one of them gets hurt or needs a blow, then fine, substitute his ass. I can't stand the "specialist" mentality that Johnson espouses.
All that says to me is they don't have players who can play the rush and pass equally well.
Thats exactly right. Real Pro-Bowl lineman don't need to be subbed for.
Quote from: shorebird on August 27, 2007, 08:07:24 PM
Thats exactly right. Real Pro-Bowl lineman don't need to be subbed for.
It's my firm belief that this team's management wants as few Pro-Bowl types on defense as possible. Those guys are expensive. If you get a bunch of good players.....that means the defense must be good.
Quote from: King Cole on August 27, 2007, 06:56:07 PM
Al Wilson and Simeon Rice. Two injured vets on the downside will fit right in!
But in all honesty, Rice hurt or not can't be worse than Kearse has been, can he?
didn't AR send Rice's ass home during the Pro Bowl practice week several years ago? Rice showed up late with an attitude and AR said "Aloha Oe Baby".
Quote from: PPinDC on August 27, 2007, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 27, 2007, 08:07:24 PM
Thats exactly right. Real Pro-Bowl lineman don't need to be subbed for.
It's my firm belief that this team's management wants as few Pro-Bowl types on defense as possible. Those guys are expensive. If you get a bunch of good players.....that means the defense must be good.
What would you call the Jevon Kearse signing?
Quote from: methdeez on August 27, 2007, 11:34:21 PM
What would you call the Jevon Kearse signing?
Snyder-esque?
Quote from: Don Ho on August 27, 2007, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: King Cole on August 27, 2007, 06:56:07 PM
Al Wilson and Simeon Rice. Two injured vets on the downside will fit right in!
But in all honesty, Rice hurt or not can't be worse than Kearse has been, can he?
didn't AR send Rice's ass home during the Pro Bowl practice week several years ago? Rice showed up late with an attitude and AR said "Aloha Oe Baby".
He did do that. Don't know if there are still any hard feelings.
38 rushing attempts, 48 passing attempts.
Just in case no one noticed.
i wouldnt put much stock into that....cobb threw the ball about 1000 times cause andy wanted him to get work...doesnt mean andy isnt going to come out and throw it 50 times in the opener...but the steeler game isnt a fair indicator of that
Quote from: methdeez on August 27, 2007, 11:34:21 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on August 27, 2007, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 27, 2007, 08:07:24 PM
Thats exactly right. Real Pro-Bowl lineman don't need to be subbed for.
It's my firm belief that this team's management wants as few Pro-Bowl types on defense as possible. Those guys are expensive. If you get a bunch of good players.....that means the defense must be good.
What would you call the Jevon Kearse signing?
I would call it sarcasm.
I'm not too worried about Brown. Everyone has their bad nights. If I were to make a list of things I'm worried about on this team just on the offensive side of the ball, Reggie Brown repeatedly dropping passes would rank about 47th.
That said, the FO's stubbornness and refusal to address the LB position has cost us another season. I don't have a problem with trying to convert Gocong into an OLB....I have a problem with not going out and getting any insurance (other than another rookie) in case he can't learn the position. There simply isn't any way we go anywhere in the playoffs, unless he steps it up quickly. Pittsburgh dinked-and-dunked on us all night, and they're not even really a passing team. What the hell is a team like New Orleans going to do???
I don't have a problem with trying to convert Gocong into an OLB....I have a problem with not going out and getting any insurance (other than another rookie) in case he can't learn the position.
thats crazy....the eagles arent a good enough drafting team to have the luxury of taking a project and then spending another pick on his replacement in case it doesnt work out...thats not realistic....
they should be smart enough to know that the guy wasnt ever going to be an nfl linebacker to begin with...but again its the god complex in andy...instead of turning water into wine he will turn div II de's into sams
Will Chris Gocong be as good as Dat Nguyen?
dat win was gangsta
gocong is a mechanical engineer
the end
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2007, 08:55:46 AM
the eagles arent a good enough drafting team to have the luxury of taking a project and then spending another pick on his replacement in case it doesnt work out...thats not realistic....
Word.
Andy needs to try drafting a
linebacker who can actually play LB... before he goes and tries to get guys from other positions to play LB.
Gaither's about as close as he's gotten in his entire time here.
The patriots coveted Gocong also, and planned to make him a OLB. The difference being they would use him the right way in a 3-4 Defense, not a 4-3.
I really do think he would be a game changing OLB in a 3-4 with his speed off the edge, especially if he played in the New England version
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 28, 2007, 09:14:04 AM
The patriots coveted Gocong also, and planned to make him a OLB. The difference being they would use him the right way in a 3-4 Defense, not a 4-3.
I really do think he would be a game changing OLB in a 3-4 with his speed off the edge, especially if he played in the New England version
well that and the patriots LB corps is not their weakness so even if they did take him...they could bring him along like the project he is. they would not have promoted him to a starter if he was not ready. the eagles did not promote him cause he is that good...its just the system and philosophy. hell we stuck with pinkston or thrash for a # of yrs!
The Pats could get away with GoCong at LB because 1) they have good LBs to begin with and 2) they could use him as a pass rusher from the upright position, he's more suited for success in their scheme than he would be in the Eagles.
I'd like to see 1 of 2 things happen by the opener:
1. Bradley starts in place of GoCong
2. Spikes goes to the MIKE and Gaither slides back over to the WIL where he was decent last season. At least with Spikes in the middle he can help cover up the mistakes of the outside guys.
Although everyone hates him here, since Gocong seems bad in space wouldn't it make sense to put him at MLB?
Quote from: Dillen on August 28, 2007, 11:01:20 AM
Although everyone hates him here, since Gocong seems bad in space wouldn't it make sense to put him at MLB?
he's got the size
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 28, 2007, 09:55:45 AM
The Pats could get away with GoCong at LB because 1) they have good LBs to begin with and 2) they could use him as a pass rusher from the upright position, he's more suited for success in their scheme than he would be in the Eagles.
I'd like to see 1 of 2 things happen by the opener:
1. Bradley starts in place of GoCong
2. Spikes goes to the MIKE and Gaither slides back over to the WIL where he was decent last season. At least with Spikes in the middle he can help cover up the mistakes of the outside guys.
I don't think this will happen by the opener, but I think it could happen at some point during the season.
Gocong would be a pretty good situational pass rusher. No one is disputing that. What's ridiculous is the Eagles' insistence on trying to force him into a position that he doesn't have the capability of excelling at.
It's another in a long line of instances of arrogant presumption on their part.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 28, 2007, 11:57:45 AM
Gocong would be a pretty good situational pass rusher. No one is disputing that.
i am
I wonder if the engineer could play MLB. In 2 (?) years it could be:
OMG (ha) - engineer - bradley ?
some sweet pics off this website i found, the one action shot of tko forcing the fumble will probably let some of your man chowder loose
http://phillyskyline.com/