something for everyone to follow the rest of the season
for purposes of this thread and with the injuries we are going to go on the assumption that the eagles arent winning anymore games this year
that leaves them at five wins
currently there are thirteen teams with five wins or less
we will eliminate the two win or less teams as none of them are winning three or more games - jets, hou, gb, sf
thats leaves
5 wins - stl
4 wins - buff, balt, cle, oak, det, arz
3 wins - tenn, no
rams and arizona play the eagles...so they are out...that leaves the following teams that the eagles could potentially pass or tie
buff - ne, at den, at cinn, at jets (will win at least one vs jets)
balt - at den, gb, minn, at cle (they have two big battles gb and at cle...at least one win right there)
cle - at cinn, at oak, pitt, balt (they are good for minimum one win)
det - at gb, cinn, at no, at pitt (gotta win this week or the eagles probably wont catch them)
oak - at jets, cle, at den, nyg (jets=win)
tenn - hou, sea, at mia, at jack (gotta beat hou and mia to get caught)
no - at atl, car, det, at tb (almost a lock to finish ahead of the birds)
2006 philadelphia eagles first round pick:
current status - 12th pick
worst case - 14th pick
best case - 5th pick
big games this week: buff over ne, det over gb, oak over jets, tenn over hou
This is a lot of words for nothing. They're not getting Reggie Bush, cracka.
Why speculate on where we're going to end up drafting? Tell us who to draft and our problems will be over, obviously.
that post is the longest sentence ever written
Even if we had Bush...what good would it be if we already have Westbrooka and Moats? Wouldn't it be like drafting Vince Young when having a darn good McNabb?
Quote from: hbionic on December 07, 2005, 02:16:36 PM
Even if we had Bush...what good would it be if we already have Westbrooka and Moats? Wouldn't it be like drafting Vince Young when having a darn good McNabb?
Vince Young is obviously better than McNabb. Just like IGY would be a better HC than Reid.
Mentioned it in the game thread, but I did some number crunching and they're looking at the #10 pick if they lose out, but could end up with #7 or #8 with more luck (of which they've had NONE this year)...
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 02:18:25 PMVince Young is obviously better than McNabb. Just like IGY would be a better HC than Reid.
Oh, I get it.
you dont pass on reggie bush...period...that said they arent getting him as i just mentioned in the above post...the highest they can pick is five
for those of you who dont find it fun/interesting/meaningful to track their draft positon then dont come into this thread
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IGY...its 'werd'.
I find it fun. It's something to look forward to as well....(indirectly rooting against us winning)....but who's in the top ten as far as prospects go? Who, when we look at our biggest need can we draft at best case scenario #5 or lets say we have even the 8th pick that can come in and make an impact?
What is our #1 need and who do we draft.
Discuss.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 07, 2005, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 02:19:37 PM
you dont pass on reggie brown...period
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OMG!111! a typo! hilarious!
Yeah well, when the self-confessed greatest GM in Eagles history confuses Reggie Brown with Reggie Bush, what do you expect my reaction to be?
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 07, 2005, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 02:19:37 PM
you dont pass on reggie brown...period
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:-D
OMG!111! a typo! hilarious!
Yeah well, when the self-confessed greatest GM in Eagles history confuses Reggie Brown with Reggie Bush, what do you expect my reaction to be?
confuses them, or types the wrong name.
no offense, but you've been hanging from IGY's nuts all day, it's getting a little weird
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 07, 2005, 02:25:30 PMno offense, but you've been hanging from IGY's nuts all day, it's getting a little weird
It's only weird when someone has been doing it after a while...not when they initially hop on, huh? ;)
If we were in a position to get Bush, id trade down. Do you have ANY idea how much we could get for that pick?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 07, 2005, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 07, 2005, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 02:19:37 PM
you dont pass on reggie brown...period
word
:-D
OMG!111! a typo! hilarious!
Yeah well, when the self-confessed greatest GM in Eagles history confuses Reggie Brown with Reggie Bush, what do you expect my reaction to be?
confuses them, or types the wrong name.
no offense, but you've been hanging from IGY's nuts all day, it's getting a little weird
OMG! I've been outed as a cyber-homo! Call the cops! ::)
Quote from: hbionic on December 07, 2005, 02:21:59 PMwho's in the top ten as far as prospects go? Who, when we look at our biggest need can we draft at best case scenario #5 or lets say we have even the 8th pick that can come in and make an impact?
QB - Matt Leinart, possibly Omar Jacobs, possibly Vince Young (though he isn't expected to declare)
RB - Reggie Bush, DeAngelo Williams
OT - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Marcus McNeill
DE - Mario Williams, Mathias Kiwanuka
LB - AJ Hawk, Chad Greenway
CB - Jimmy Williams
It's much more important for this team's psyche to win at least 2 of the last 4 games than to get a slightly higher choice in the 2006 draft. If I was all about blowing up the team and starting from scratch with a new head coach and at least 7 or 8 new starters, I might be rooting for them to lose out. However, I'm not an utter buffoon like that.
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 02:27:52 PM
OMG! I've been outed as a cyber-homo! Call the cops! ::)
ha! like you've just been outed.
If we were in a position to get Bush, id trade down. Do you have ANY idea how much we could get for that pick?
whatever it was would not be worth reggie bush....have you seen him play?
I find it fun. It's something to look forward to as well....(indirectly rooting against us winning)....but who's in the top ten as far as prospects go? Who, when we look at our biggest need can we draft at best case scenario #5 or lets say we have even the 8th pick that can come in and make an impact?
What is our #1 need and who do we draft.
i would love to be closer to five than to ten and steal brick ferguson
I was just thinking to myself how spending an early first rounder on an offensive lineman in the 2006 draft really would be the key to the Eagles winning Super Bowl XLI.
It's much more important for this team's psyche to win at least 2 of the last 4 games than to get a slightly higher choice in the 2006 draft
ummm no
not a single person in the world will remember these last four games come march....much less come training camp...and any player that does and lets it effect them should be cut immediately
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 02:33:16 PM
not a single person in the world will remember these last four games come march....much less come training camp...and any player that does and lets it effect them should be cut immediately
Any player who loses a game intentionally between now and the end of the season to get a higher draft pick should be cut immediately.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 02:33:03 PM
I was just thinking to myself how spending an early first rounder on an offensive lineman in the 2006 draft really would be the key to the Eagles winning Super Bowl XLI.
Yeah, you are right. Buddy Ryan proved you can win lots of playoff games and super bowls with anyone on the O-line. Name a team that has won a SB without high draft pick o-linemen.
I don't think they're intentionally losing anything. They just suck....
Quote from: stalker on December 07, 2005, 02:36:37 PMName a team that has won a SB without high draft pick o-linemen.
Who's on the Pats?
Anyone see the Free Agent list so far, its AWEFUL!! Eagles picked the wrong year to have a boat load of $$$$ avail.
http://www.theredzone.org/2006/freeagents/
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 07, 2005, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: stalker on December 07, 2005, 02:36:37 PMName a team that has won a SB without high draft pick o-linemen.
Who's on the Pats?
72 Matt Light T 2nd RD
75 Vince Wilfork DL 1st RD
Without even looking where the FA's were drafted originally.
I got news for all you dooky-cracka-fruits. With a possible uncapped year pending in 2007, anyone top-notch who actually makes it to the market will probably be franchised, because the players will be asking for huge money to sign long-term, and the teams will want a better idea of the long-term look of the CBA before they dish it out.
Free agency is not going to land the Eagles much of anything.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 07, 2005, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: stalker on December 07, 2005, 02:36:37 PMName a team that has won a SB without high draft pick o-linemen.
Who's on the Pats?
They took an OL this year.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 02:47:22 PM
I got news for all you dooky-cracka-fruits. With a possible uncapped year pending in 2007, anyone top-notch who actually makes it to the market will probably be franchised, because the players will be asking for huge money to sign long-term, and the teams will want a better idea of the long-term look of the CBA before they dish it out.
Free agency is not going to land the Eagles much of anything.
i've heard that the owners will lock the players out before ever allowing an uncapped year.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 07, 2005, 02:49:47 PMi've heard that the owners will lock the players out before ever allowing an uncapped year.
Damn straight they will. So would I.
If only fans would lock out the Owners for the uncapped ticket prices.
Logan Mankins is the only 1st round pick on the Pats' line... #32 overall.
I'm saying that the Eagles have some young possibilities on the line, and that using a very early pick on an offensive lineman is pretty much one of the biggest wastes I could envision.
Positions I'd draft before OL in 2006 (in no particular order):
DE
DT
OLB
WR
DB (can never have enough good ones)
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 02:52:55 PM
Logan Mankins is the only 1st round pick on the Pats' line... #32 overall.
I'm saying that the Eagles have some young possibilities on the line, and that using a very early pick on an offensive lineman is pretty much one of the biggest wastes I could envision.
i would agree for any o-line position, except left tackle. dominant left tackles are so coveted, you will never get one in FA, you need to draft one. is Herremans a dominant LT? i don't know, he doesn't have the pedigree of a high draft pick like Pace, Samuels, Ogden, Walter Jones, etc... but could he develop into one? i don't know.
Pace and Ogden were both fairly high OLers who won rings. Think it's horses for courses.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 02:12:07 PM
something for everyone to follow the rest of the season
for purposes of this thread and with the injuries we are going to go on the assumption that the eagles arent winning anymore games this year
that leaves them at five wins
currently there are thirteen teams with five wins or less
we will eliminate the two win or less teams as none of them are winning three or more games - jets, hou, gb, sf
thats leaves
5 wins - stl
4 wins - buff, balt, cle, oak, det, arz
3 wins - tenn, no
rams and arizona play the eagles...so they are out...that leaves the following teams that the eagles could potentially pass or tie
buff - ne, at den, at cinn, at jets (will win at least one vs jets)
balt - at den, gb, minn, at cle (they have two big battles gb and at cle...at least one win right there)
cle - at cinn, at oak, pitt, balt (they are good for minimum one win)
det - at gb, cinn, at no, at pitt (gotta win this week or the eagles probably wont catch them)
oak - at jets, cle, at den, nyg (jets=win)
tenn - hou, sea, at mia, at jack (gotta beat hou and mia to get caught)
no - at atl, car, det, at tb (almost a lock to finish ahead of the birds)
2006 philadelphia eagles first round pick:
current status - 12th pick
worst case - 14th pick
best case - 5th pick
big games this week: buff over ne, det over gb, oak over jets, tenn over hou
Currently, it looks like this:
W L T Pct. SOS
1 Houston 1 11 0 .083 .604
2 Green Bay 2 10 0 .167 .549
3 San Francisco 2 10 0 .167 .563
4 N.Y. Jets 2 10 0 .167 .563
5 New Orleans 3 9 0 .250 .507
6 Tennessee 3 9 0 .250 .507
7 Buffalo 4 8 0 .333 .465
8 Cleveland 4 8 0 .333 .500
9 Arizona 4 8 0 .333 .514
10 Baltimore 4 8 0 .333 .528
11 Detroit 4 8 0 .333 .535
12 Oakland 4 8 0 .333 .542
13 Miami 5 7 0 .417 .479
14 St. Louis 5 7 0 .417 .500
15 Philadelphia 5 7 0 .417 .542
16 Washington 6 6 0 .500 .576
17 Atlanta 7 5 0 .583 .458
18 Minnesota 7 5 0 .583 .479
19 Pittsburgh 7 5 0 .583 .500
20 Dallas 7 5 0 .583 .507
21 New England 7 5 0 .583 .542
22 Tampa Bay 8 4 0 .667 .417
23 Kansas City 8 4 0 .667 .444
24 San Diego 8 4 0 .667 .493
25 N.Y. Giants 8 4 0 .667 .507
26 Chicago 9 3 0 .750 .431
27 Carolina 9 3 0 .750 .431
28 Cincinnati 9 3 0 .750 .479
29 Jacksonville 9 3 0 .750 .486
30 Denver 9 3 0 .750 .535
31 Seattle 10 2 0 .833 .438
32 Indianapolis 12 0 0 1.000 .382
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update
I don't doubt LT is an important position. I do think that Tra will benefit greatly from shortening his season and having his surgery, and the team will probably have the book set on Herremans one way or another.
Let's just say that I believe that this team will be good enough in 2006 to make another run at a Super Bowl, but I don't see that happening with a rookie playing LT.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 03:02:12 PM
Let's just say that I believe that this team will be good enough in 2006 to make another run at a Super Bowl, but I don't see that happening with a rookie playing LT.
fair enough.
Thing is, who else do we pick if we're drafting that high?? As a BC student I'd love to get Kiwi but with Cole's development I don't see us spending a top-12 pick on a pure pass-rushing DE (Kiwi will be a spectacular pass rusher in the NFL but he needs to put on some weight before he'll be effective against the run). AJ Hawk is a good possibility who could start immediately at WLB, so he's a possibility, although I'd rather address the LB position by picking up Peterson or another SLB in free agency and moving Dhani back to WLB. Don't know enough about Mario Williams but he didn't do anything against BC (although he was working against a low 1st round/high 2nd round OT in Jeremy Trueblood, plus I was drunk off my ass for that game), from what I hear he's a better run stopper than Kiwi but not as good rushing the QB. Our RB situation isn't bad enough to warrant taking a guy like DeAngelo Williams or Lawrence Maroney that high. We won't have the chance to take D'Brickshaw Ferguson most likely but Jonathan Scott and Eric Winston are possibilities--they don't have to start at LT right away, but either could certainly give Hicks a run for his money at LG while being groomed to take over at LT in the future (or RT if we decide that Herremans is a franchise-caliber LT and/or Andrews is better suited staying at RG). We won't spend another 1st-round pick on a DT, so Ngata is out, we should address depth at CB later in the draft but don't need to spend a 1st-rounder there, and none of the WRs in this draft are worth taking above 15 or so. So if we have a pick around 10, who do we take if not an OT?? Trade down??
Trotter is the only LB who should even be on the team next year. I say we takes LBs with all of our picks.
Incidentally just like every year I think there are a few BC guys who would fit in very nicely on the Eagles. Kiwi is an absolute stud who goes without saying, although as I said in my last post I'm not sure a pure pass-rushing DE is what we need at the moment, but I think we should take a hard look at Jeremy Trueblood and Will Blackmon if they're available for us in the 2nd round. Trueblood is a massive (6'9, 330ish) LT, doesn't really excel at any one thing in particular but is good at everything. I think he'll be an excellent NFL player, and if we decide that Herremans is not the LT of the future and if we don't go OL in the 1st round I'd like us to grab him in the second. Blackmon is a 2-way guy, played CB exclusively his first 3 years at BC but has made the transition to #1 WR this year while still seeing some snaps at CB in nickel and dime situations. Good height (great height for a CB), very good speed. Also a very good KR/PR. He has had some problems getting burned deep when playing in man coverage at CB, but this is more due to BC's coaching scheme not making the best of his natural abilities. He also hasn't put up the kind of offensive numbers we'd like this season, but this is due in large part to the totally incompetent playcalling of our OC (none other than the one and only Dana Bible) and the inability of our former starting QB, Quinton Porter, to throw the deep ball. Since Porter was replaced as starter by Matt Ryan (Exton native and Penn Charter grad) with 2 games remaining in the season, Blackmon has gotten 6 catches for 201 yards. He also has 2 8-catch games this season, and is averaging 22 yards per KR and 10 yards per PR this season. Definitely worth a look.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 07, 2005, 04:00:22 PM
Trotter is the only LB who should even be on the team next year. I say we takes LBs with all of our picks.
I think Jones would do much better at WLB than he is at SLB, and Adams, McCoy, and Short are worth keeping around for STs and limited defensive duty, but generally you're on the right track.
A great defensive lineman in the draft would very much excite me. I think the linebacker issue can be addressed through free agency along with receiver.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 07, 2005, 04:00:22 PM
Trotter is the only LB who should even be on the team next year. I say we takes LBs with all of our picks.
Doesn't Carlos play LB for the Soul?
BTW, Adams likely won't be back, since he's on a one-year deal. Simoneau's deal a little heavy when weighed against his contribution, so those are two guys who might be moved out to get some new blood involved.
Simoneau's deal a little heavy when weighed against his contribution
demorrio williams whom the falcons picked with one of the picks from the sim trade is probably going to make the pro bowl and is having a better year than any eagle linebacker including trotter
Good for him. You got a point, Wigga?
actually seeking out and trading for a linebacker who cant play with himself much less make it on the field while the other team finds a probowler with your pick = not good
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 04:35:22 PM
Simoneau's deal a little heavy when weighed against his contribution
demorrio williams whom the falcons picked with one of the picks from the sim trade is probably going to make the pro bowl and is having a better year than any eagle linebacker including trotter
He's also done a fine job for my fantasy team.
GET WILLIAMS!!
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 07, 2005, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: stalker on December 07, 2005, 02:36:37 PMName a team that has won a SB without high draft pick o-linemen.
Who's on the Pats?
They took an OL this year.
Yeah, Mankins....and he had nothing to do with the 3 Super Bowls...
So I was listening to some of Cataldi's show on the way home Monday and he had his usual cronies on (Arson Arnie, Rocco) from the Dirty 30.
And they all came up with the brilliant idea that they were going to return to NYC if the Eagles get a Top 10 pick to do what they did in 1999 all over again just to stick it to Eagles managemnet and to root for Matt Leinart.
that makes perfect sense. i cant believe these idiots have a forum to spread their garbage.
That's it. We have to start killing the stupid people.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 07, 2005, 07:31:11 PM
So I was listening to some of Cataldi's show on the way home Monday and he had his usual cronies on (Arson Arnie, Rocco) from the Dirty 30.
And they all came up with the brilliant idea that they were going to return to NYC if the Eagles get a Top 10 pick to do what they did in 1999 all over again just to stick it to Eagles managemnet and to root for Matt Leinart.
I heard the same show :puke :puke :puke :puke
That is really sad if Cataldi did that. Personally I want to see the Eagles lose the rest of their games while getting some young players an opportunity to "grow up". I might even move Big Shawn out to tackle to see how he fairs. I want the Birds to address LB, DL, and WR in FA....
I might even move Big Shawn out to tackle to see how he fairs
one thing at a time...lets get him up to par at G first...he is entirely to sloth like right now for tackle
Quote from: General_Failure on December 07, 2005, 07:41:21 PM
That's it. We have to start killing the stupid people.
then who would post on this board?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 07, 2005, 03:04:37 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 03:02:12 PM
Let's just say that I believe that this team will be good enough in 2006 to make another run at a Super Bowl, but I don't see that happening with a rookie playing LT.
fair enough.
I think the skins won one SB with a rook at LT. But he was a top pick. We have to start looking for legit replacements for Runyan and Tra. They are both getting a little long in the tooth. Then again, look at Munoz, Shell and about a million other great O linemen, they played into their early 40's. I don't want Andrews at RT. He comes off the ball so well, he is invaluable at G. We should never ever get stopped on a QB sneak or short yardage play to his side. He seems to get a consistent quick push.
Quote from: stalker link=topic=17356.msg357522#msg357522 date=1134049972Then again, look at Munoz, Shell and about a million other great O linemen, they played into their early 40's.quote]
Wasn't the same league back then, though.
QuoteI don't want Andrews at RT. He comes off the ball so well, he is invaluable at G. We should never ever get stopped on a QB sneak or short yardage play to his side. He seems to get a consistent quick push.
We could always use him at RT in most situations and move him to RG in short-yardage plays. Another possibility, if the Eagles feel that Herremans can start in the NFL but not on the QB's blind side, is to move him to RT and draft a stud LT to replace Thomas.
Remember that we won't be starting a rookie at LT next year unless Tra gets hurt...he'll be back, and will be the starter, but I think we should draft our future LT now if we get a chance to so that he'll be ready to start a year or 2 from now when Tra is gone.
Id take Randel El and Nate Clemants as Free Agents. Deion Sanders also.... :deion
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 02:30:59 PM
If we were in a position to get Bush, id trade down. Do you have ANY idea how much we could get for that pick?
whatever it was would not be worth reggie bush....have you seen him play?
yeah, i never seen on of the best college players in the past decade. right.
you SERIOUSLY would want to get this guy, where a team is bad enough to get a TOP 5 PICK and you want to waste it when they already have their RBs of the future?
where a team is bad enough to get a TOP 5 PICK and you want to waste it when they already have their RBs of the future?
the eagles are not your typical top five pick bad team...they are much better than that...do they have areas that are more of a need than rb perhaps...but the rb position is bare except for a guy coming of a liz franc injury...even if healthy im sure the eagles can find a way to use reggie bush and westbrook
bottom line is reggie bush is a once in a lifetime playmaker...if you can get him without selling your franchise you do it
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2005, 03:36:52 PM
where a team is bad enough to get a TOP 5 PICK and you want to waste it when they already have their RBs of the future?
the eagles are not your typical top five pick bad team...they are much better than that...do they have areas that are more of a need than rb perhaps...but the rb position is bare except for a guy coming of a liz franc injury...even if healthy im sure the eagles can find a way to use reggie bush and westbrook
bottom line is reggie bush is a once in a lifetime playmaker...if you can get him without selling your franchise you do it
I'm not nearly that high on him. There have been far too many times a player looks awesome in college then sucks it up at the professional level.
i mean if you dont believe there are ever players worth trading up for and you prefer always trading down to aquire quantity rather than quality then i repsect that...but thats your philosophy
i personally would rather trade up for reggie bush than trade up for jerome mcdougle or trade back and aquire an extra 4th rounder to take sean considine
this is an intelevision thread
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i loved that game
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2005, 03:36:52 PM
where a team is bad enough to get a TOP 5 PICK and you want to waste it when they already have their RBs of the future?
the eagles are not your typical top five pick bad team...they are much better than that...do they have areas that are more of a need than rb perhaps...but the rb position is bare except for a guy coming of a liz franc injury...even if healthy im sure the eagles can find a way to use reggie bush and westbrook
bottom line is reggie bush is a once in a lifetime playmaker...if you can get him without selling your franchise you do it
The bottom line is he looks like a once in a lifetime playmaker. I'm sure that if you went back to before all the drafts in your lifetime you would find 20 like that never worked out, including almost every Hiesman trophy winner.
Before MNF:
01 - Houston
02 - San Francisco
03 - N.Y. Jets
04 - Green Bay
05 - New Orleans (#4 if they lose on MNF, #12 if they win on MNF)
06 - Tennessee
07 - Buffalo
08 - Cleveland
09 - Arizona
10 - Detroit
11 - Baltimore
12 - Oakland
13 - St. Louis
14 - EAGLES
15 - Miami
16 - Denver (from WSH)
17 - Atlanta (#16 if they lose on MNF, coin flip for #18 with PIT if they win on MNF)
18 - Minnesota
19 - Pittsburgh
20 - Kansas City
21 - New England
22 - Dallas
23 - San Diego
24 - Tampa Bay
25 - Chicago
26 - Carolina/Jacksonville coin flip
27 - Carolina/Jacksonville coin flip
28 - N.Y. Giants
29 - Cincinnati
30 - Denver
31 - Seattle
32 - Indianapolis
In a twisted way, I'll be pissed if we win vs St. Louis. Then they would hold the tie-breaker over us if they win the head to head and we (and they) continue to drop the rest of the games.
Bmore, Oakland and Buffalo had to lose today too. bastiches.
I would have never thought that the Miami farging Dolphins would finish with a better record than us. Gus Ferrotte. Crazy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2005, 04:46:46 PM
i personally would rather trade up for reggie bush than trade up for jerome mcdougle or trade back and aquire an extra 4th rounder to take sean considine
You're talking about two trades which are much less significant, obviously.
BTW, there is no way in hell the Eagles trade up for Reggie Bush... for many obvious reasons. I've mentioned that before, but I figured that you're obviously not getting the hint, so I'll try again.
As good as it will be to lose out and get a better draft pick I simply cannot root against them. I thought about the whole "but we'd get a better draft pick" thing as the game was going on and yet I still find myself rooting for a win.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2005, 07:59:35 AM
As good as it will be to lose out and get a better draft pick I simply cannot root against them. I thought about the whole "but we'd get a better draft pick" thing as the game was going on and yet I still find myself rooting for a win.
I'm the same way, but yesterday was, in a sick way, the perfect situation. A competitive, exciting game, but they lose and advance their draft position. But, like you, I will never be happy or root for them to lose.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 12, 2005, 08:45:24 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2005, 07:59:35 AM
As good as it will be to lose out and get a better draft pick I simply cannot root against them. I thought about the whole "but we'd get a better draft pick" thing as the game was going on and yet I still find myself rooting for a win.
I'm the same way, but yesterday was, in a sick way, the perfect situation. A competitive, exciting game, but they lose and advance their draft position. But, like you, I will never be happy or root for them to lose.
Even if they lose out (which I don't see), I can't see them even making the top 10 anyway. As someone mentioned in another thread, I'd love to see the taterskins WC chance coming down to that last game & the Eagles pissing all over it for them.
I definitely had some mixed feelings about yesterday's game. I did want the Eagles to win, but after the Gibbskins and Cowturds won, I kind of didn't mind that the Giants pulled it out. I can't say why, but I'd rather see the Giants win the division than the Skins or Pukes.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 12, 2005, 11:05:48 AM
I definitely had some mixed feelings about yesterday's game. I did want the Eagles to win, but after the Gibbskins and Cowturds won, I kind of didn't mind that the Giants pulled it out. I can't say why, but I'd rather see the Giants win the division than the Skins or Pukes.
I feel the same way, as they're the least offensive of the 3 teams to me. I have some decent Giants fans at work & they haven't made it too hard on me this year, so I can deal with their success.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 12, 2005, 11:05:48 AM
I definitely had some mixed feelings about yesterday's game. I did want the Eagles to win, but after the Gibbskins and Cowturds won, I kind of didn't mind that the Giants pulled it out. I can't say why, but I'd rather see the Giants win the division than the Skins or Pukes.
I agree - I think it is the difference in the fans: farg dallas fans are usually bandwagoners, while skin fans are exceptionally delusional. In this context, Giants fans could be considered tolerable.
BTW, speaking of the draft, our buddy "goeagles99" threw out these 5 names as possibilities for the Eagles:
QuoteSantonio Holmes - WR, Ohio State
Michael Huff - Safety, Texas
Marcedes Lewis - TE, UCLA
Marcus McNeill - OT, Auburn
Claude Wroten - DT, LSU
I seriously don't have the first idea what this team should do with their draft. The OL needs help, but they seem to draft 16 OLs every year so what has that accomplished? They need LBs in a serious way, but will they actually be able to pick out a decent player this year? WR is a constant need, but with Reid's inability to develop WRs is that even a good idea? It certainly seems like they need a backup QB who is good at something other than being a Zoolander dead ringer.
Frankly, if by some miracle they get in a position to trade up for Bush, I agree that they should do it. The core of this team isn't changing and will (theoretically) be healthy again next year. I'm sick of stock-piling draft picks and while it's cute that everyone loves Westbrook as a 'weapon' he is not a full-time running back and he has never played a full season without injury. Of course, this will never happen, as FF pointed out because Reid is pig-headed and pops about seven boners at the thought of a pass-catching running back who can't pick up 2 yards on third and 1 to save his life. But if you ask me, and everyone does, if you can get Reggie Bush you do it. Even if he splits time for a year or two, you know that Westbrook is going to be hurt every year and he'll get a chance to start. Whatever. Ryan Moats. Yay.
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With all this talk about Reggie Bush I thought you all might want to read the following about the toughest SOB Bush faced all season. Something to think about as we consider a replacement for B. Dawk.
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With all this talk about Reggie Bush I thought you all might want to read the following about the toughest SOB Bush faced all season. Something to think about as we consider a replacement for B. Dawk.
Rainbows! I HATE rainbows!
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Rainbows! I HATE rainbows!
We are now the Warriors after the consulting firm June Jones hired came to the conclusion "rainbows" conjures up images of, well you know what i mean.
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Can you know the mighty ocean? Can you lasso a star from the sky? Can you say to a rainbow 'Hey, stop being a rainbow for a second'? No! Such is Mango!
I say get a linebacker. Greenway, Hodge, Hawk, anyone.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 12, 2005, 06:13:12 PM
I seriously don't have the first idea what this team should do with their draft. The OL needs help, but they seem to draft 16 OLs every year so what has that accomplished? They need LBs in a serious way, but will they actually be able to pick out a decent player this year? WR is a constant need, but with Reid's inability to develop WRs is that even a good idea? It certainly seems like they need a backup QB who is good at something other than being a Zoolander dead ringer.
Frankly, if by some miracle they get in a position to trade up for Bush, I agree that they should do it. The core of this team isn't changing and will (theoretically) be healthy again next year. I'm sick of stock-piling draft picks and while it's cute that everyone loves Westbrook as a 'weapon' he is not a full-time running back and he has never played a full season without injury. Of course, this will never happen, as FF pointed out because Reid is pig-headed and pops about seven boners at the thought of a pass-catching running back who can't pick up 2 yards on third and 1 to save his life. But if you ask me, and everyone does, if you can get Reggie Bush you do it. Even if he splits time for a year or two, you know that Westbrook is going to be hurt every year and he'll get a chance to start. Whatever. Ryan Moats. Yay.
I think they take care of whatever needs they didn't address in free agency with the draft. We can only speculate at this point in what they will address in free agency. My guess is linebacker, receiver, and either a defensive tackle or defensive end.
I'd honestly like to see DE and both safety positions addresses. Say what you want about the inept play of Tito and the linebackers, but Kearse, Dawkins, and Lewis have been unimpressive all year.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 12, 2005, 11:27:57 PM
I'd honestly like to see DE and both safety positions addresses. Say what you want about the inept play of Tito and the linebackers, but Kearse, Dawkins, and Lewis have been unimpressive all year.
Touche!
buff over ne nope
det over gb nope
oak over jets nope
tenn over hou yep
not a successful week for the birds
big games this week
arz over hou
oak over cle
balt over gb
stl over phi
I'd rather have Baltimore win that game. We aren't going to catch Green Bay, and a tied record with Baltimore does us no good...
youre correct sir
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 13, 2005, 10:27:05 AM
I'd rather have Baltimore win that game. We aren't going to catch Green Bay, and a tied record with Baltimore does us no good...
Exactly why Detroit blowing that game sunday night pissed me off.
Probably wouldn't have mattered anyway because Detroit is going to lose out and finish 4-12, and we'd lose the tiebreaker with them if they finished 5-11...
heckert on wip
--admits d line was disappointing this year...must get better
--really likes the young offensive lineman
--says ike effed himself by leaving for atlanta in hopes of starting
--says corey is a fat slob
--says olb is a less important position than most...doesnt sound like they are going to drastically improve that area
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2005, 12:25:39 PM
--says olb is a less important position than most...doesnt sound like they are going to drastically improve that area
that bothers me. if anything, you can differentiate importance between the WIL and the SAM. i can't believe, after seeing what Emmons did for them for years, that they don't think the SAM is important.
the olb's are "fine".
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2005, 12:25:39 PM
heckert on wip
--says olb is a less important position than most...doesnt sound like they are going to drastically improve that area
:boom
Other things from Heckert:
--Nobody cares if the players go to TO's party
--Was asked about Burgess and said they should have signed him.
--Didn't comment on the WR position (was asked about Wayne) but made it seem like they would upgrade the position
That interview was pointless. Heckert couldn't address specifics because all free agents to be are under contract and he wouldn't even rate his top 3 OLBs in the draft because he doesn't want anyone to get a clue on what they're thinking.
And they said they'd take questions from callers....only took 1 question.
Although he did point out that Burgess stunk last year and that Cole has more production for the Birds this year than Burgess did last year. He said they just couldn't keep him on the field.
Who some of the draft sites currently have the Eagles taking in their mocks:
NFL Draft Blitz (12/?) - Marcus McNeill
NFL Draft Countdown (12/14) - Santonio Holmes
Draft Showcase (12/13) - LenDale White
Draft King (12/11) - Derek Hagan
Football's Future (12/8) - Martin Nance
Draft Studio (12/7) - Derek Hagan
Great Blue North (12/2) - LenDale White
Mcneill would be awesome. So would Holmes (returner) or White.
LenDale would be a great complement back to Westbrook/Moats. Doubt the Eagles would draft any RB in the 1st, tho.
i want demeco ryans...hes the troof
demeco ryans bandwagon starts right here right now
I like Ryans... eveytime I watched Bama he was all over the field.
But he'll likely be a late 1st early 2nd guy.
I want a DE in the 1st.
no way he goes anywhere near the second imo...if he drops its to around 25....he may rate that low only because he doesnt have great raw numbers...but he could also jump up big time with a good combine showing...he isnt that big and isnt super fast but all he does is make plays...he will be the best linebacker in this draft
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2005, 08:05:16 AM
Mcneill would be awesome. So would Holmes (returner) or White.
At first I thought "oh great, another OL" but this guy is a beast! 6-9 338 lbs. This could work!
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 15, 2005, 12:26:30 AM
Who some of the draft sites currently have the Eagles taking in their mocks:
NFL Draft Blitz (12/?) - Marcus McNeill
NFL Draft Countdown (12/14) - Santonio Holmes
Draft Showcase (12/13) - LenDale White
Draft King (12/11) - Derek Hagan
Football's Future (12/8) - Martin Nance
Draft Studio (12/7) - Derek Hagan
Great Blue North (12/2) - LenDale White
As I don't follow college football closely, could you please post their positions?
McNeill is a huge OT from Auburn
Holmes is the top WR in the draft, a junior from Ohio State
White is the RB not named Reggie Bush on USC
Hagan is Arizona State's star WR
Nance is Miami of Ohio's top WR, though he should've entered the draft after last season
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 15, 2005, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 15, 2005, 12:26:30 AM
Who some of the draft sites currently have the Eagles taking in their mocks:
NFL Draft Blitz (12/?) - Marcus McNeill
NFL Draft Countdown (12/14) - Santonio Holmes
Draft Showcase (12/13) - LenDale White
Draft King (12/11) - Derek Hagan
Football's Future (12/8) - Martin Nance
Draft Studio (12/7) - Derek Hagan
Great Blue North (12/2) - LenDale White
As I don't follow college football closely, could you please post their positions?
or apparently at all if you dont know any of those guys!
Holmes, Hagan, Nance- WR
White- RB
McNeil- OT
the wr's in this draft are weaker than seven days...no wideouts in first round please
Hagan is a very solid college receiver, but the idea of having two really young guys starting at receiver when we are supposed to get back to Superbowl form is a bad idea.
I want defensive line in the first round. I don't like any defensive tackle's in the 10-15 range, so I'd go for defensive end. Either hope Williams or Kiwanuka falls or trade up.
I think were going to draft a bunch of big, strong guys. Mostly black.
Half of the high rated ones will underproduce and half of the low-rated ones will overproduce.
Book it!
And call me in 10 months when the real season begins and we actually have something to talk about.
01 - Houston
02 - New Orleans
03 - Tennessee
04 - N.Y. Jets
05 - Green Bay
06 - Oakland/San Francisco coin flip
07 - Oakland/San Francisco coin flip
08 - Buffalo
09 - Detroit
10 - Arizona
11 - St. Louis
12 - Cleveland
13 - Baltimore
14 - EAGLES
15 - Atlanta
16 - Miami
17 - Minnesota
18 - Dallas
19 - San Diego
20 - Kansas City
==================================================PLAYOFF TEAMS (temporary)
21 - New England
22 - Denver (from WSH)
23 - Carolina
24 - Tampa Bay
25 - Chicago
26 - Cincinnati
27 - Pittsburgh/N.Y. Giants coin flip
28 - Pittsburgh/N.Y. Giants coin flip
29 - Jacksonville
30 - Denver
31 - Seattle
32 - Indianapolis
Eagles picks: (before compensatory awards)
Round 1 = #14
Round 2 = #13
Round 3 = #12
Round 4 = #11 (ours), #19 (Dallas), #30-32 (Indianapolis)
Round 5 = #14
Round 6 = (#13 pick goes to Dallas)
Round 7 = #12
Go round four!
we should get some decent comp picks too.
I would like to see them get Tamba Hali, I've watched him quite a bit being a PSU fan and I think he would be a real solid addition. Another DT would be nice as well. I would really like to see them go after a top notch LB but I know that will never happen because they like having midgets line up at the position.
we should get some decent comp picks too
thats what happens when your offseason consisted of signing mike mcmahon
no shtein. Hence the fact that we should get some decent comp picks.
Yeah, well that will happen when you only sign Mike McMahon. :)
So what happens when you only sign Mike McMahon?
You get a lot of compensation picks, I think. Can someone confirm that? Ed?
[BigEd] If you want a lot of compensation picks... sign Mike McMahon. [/BigEd]
Thanks Ed. I guess that's what happens when you sign Mike McMahon.
QuoteRaiders win coin flip over 49ers in draft sweepstakes
NEW YORK - The Oakland Raiders won a coin flip over their cross-bay rivals in San Francisco for the sixth pick in April's draft, leaving the 49ers, in contention most of the season for No. 1, with the seventh choice.
The complete order for the April 29-30 draft was announced Monday, with Houston at No. 1, presumably with the rights to Reggie Bush, the Southern California running back who is expected to declare his eligibility after Wednesday's Rose Bowl. The Oilers (2-14) officially fired coach Dom Capers on Monday as New Orleans (3-13), which will have the second pick, did with Jim Haslett.
After the Saints come a group of 4-12 teams: Tennessee, the New York Jets and Green Bay, followed by Oakland and San Francisco.
After seven, the rest of the order among non-playoff teams is Buffalo, Detroit, Arizona, St. Louis, Cleveland, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Miami, Minnesota, Dallas, San Diego, and Kansas City.
The order among the playoff teams is subject to change, depending on how teams do in the postseason, although no team can fall below other teams with the same regular-season record unless it advances to the Super Bowl. The winner of that game would have the 32nd and last pick, the loser would pick 31st.
Thus New England and Washington (both 10-6) are Nos. 21 and 22. If the Patriots advance and the taterskins don't, Washington would move up one spot, but New England could not fall below 22nd.
The order among the 11-5 teams starts with Carolina at No. 23, followed by Tampa Bay, Chicago, Cincinnati, the New York Giants and Pittsburgh.
Jacksonville, the only 12-4 team, is 29th, followed by Seattle and Denver (13-3) and Indianapolis (14-2).
The draft order is determined by weakness of schedule in the case of ties in the standings, and head-to-head games have no bearing.
who would have thought the birds would pick below the dolphins...nick saban did a great job this year
Agreed. I was impressed with what Saban did. And he's only going to get better. With the Jets looking to be in a transition period (Herm? Penington?) and the Bills still zesty...The Fins could push the Pats pretty good next year.
The Dolphins still need a QB.
So, does that mean the Eagles are 13th? Did I count correctly?
what sucks for the Jets is that they will need to trade up to one of the QBs because I'm sure the Saints will take one and so will Tennessee.
i was impressed with the Dolphins this year too, but i wasn't impressed with Saban and whiney press conferences.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 02, 2006, 04:29:48 PM
The Dolphins still need a QB.
So, does that mean the Eagles are 13th? Did I count correctly?
Texans
Saints
Titans
Jets
Packers
Raiders
Niners
Bills
Lions
Cardinals
Rams
Browns
Ravens
Eagles
14th at 6-10? Weak sauce.
Did anyone else notice that the article called the Houston team the Oilers?
QuoteThe complete order for the April 29-30 draft was announced Monday, with Houston at No. 1, presumably with the rights to Reggie Bush, the Southern California running back who is expected to declare his eligibility after Wednesday's Rose Bowl. The Oilers (2-14) officially fired coach Dom Capers on Monday as New Orleans (3-13), which will have the second pick, did with Jim Haslett.
[Tull]
Happy, and I'm smiling, walk a mile to drink your water.
You know I'd love to love you, and above you there's no other
We'll go walking out while others shout of war's disaster.
Oh, be forgiving, let's go living in the past.
Once I'd used to join in every boy and girl was my friend.
Now there's revolution but they don't know what they're fighting.
Let us close out eyes. Outside their lives go on much faster
Oh, be forgiving, we'll keep living in the past.
Oh, be forgiving, let's go living in the past.
Oh, no, no, be forgiving, let's go living in the past.
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If I am the Jets GM I am already on the phone with Charlie Casserly in Houston trying to pry that #1 pick from the Texans. As I said before if Houston got the #1 pick they need to trade out and get aditional picks so they can shore up that OL.
Jets trade 4th overall pick + 2nd round pick + John Abraham (after franchise tagging him)
Texans trade #1 overall pick
Expect the Titans to go hard for that #1 pick as well so they can jump ahead of New Orleans and get Matt Leinart.
Titans OC = Norm Chow....you know Chow wants Leinart and they need a QB in Tennessee. If Billy Volek is their guy why does Matt Mauck start yesterday?!?!?
Billy Volek will be trade bait.
Perhaps NO would trade out of #2 if Volek was part of the package since Tom Benson is a cheap ass and won't want to pay #2 draft pick money.
Look for Volek to be traded to Miami or Dallas or even the Jets
Houston won't trade down because the Titans would take Ferguson...
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 02, 2006, 05:29:02 PM
Houston won't trade down because the Titans would take Ferguson...
i don't know, i'm with Phreak, they want a QB because McNair might retire in the next season or two and the Chow/Leinhart connection is strong
Why would Houston trade the #1 pick to a divisional rival?
I hope the Eagles can trade up for Williams or Kiwanuka.
If not sign Abraham.
Because their needs are far greater than worrying about a division rival.
Let's say they get Reggie Bush. They already have Domanick Davis. Who is going to block for Davis & Bush? Who is going to keep David Carr safe so he can throw it to Andre Johnson, Davis and Bush?
If they cannot draft Ferguson at #4 then they trade out again and get more picks.
The Jets need a successor to Curtis Martin and Cedric Houston isn't that guy. So they load up a package to do just that and get Reggie Bush.
1. Jets - Bush
2. Titans - Leinart
3. Saints - ?
4. Houston - Ferguson
Maybe the Saints take a LB there or maybe they trade down.
It's a very deep OT class. They can just wait until #33 and still get a franchise OT...
I see your point, but hypothetically speaking if Casserly is offered John Abraham and 2-3 more picks he should take it, IMO.
He could take Marcus Mcneil at #4 if Tennessee gets Ferguson at 3
Plus Houston not only has Davis but they drafted Vernand Morency last year too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2006, 06:25:46 PM
1. Jets - Bush
2. Titans - Leinart
3. Saints - Vince Young
4. Houston - Ferguson
that's what i think anyway
Vince Young is staying at Texas for his senior year, last I heard.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 03, 2006, 09:52:06 AM
Vince Young is staying at Texas for his senior year, last I heard.
really? i just assumed he would leave, what else does he have to accomplish? especially if they win tomorrow.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 03, 2006, 09:56:43 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 03, 2006, 09:52:06 AM
Vince Young is staying at Texas for his senior year, last I heard.
really? i just assumed he would leave, what else does he have to accomplish? especially if they win tomorrow.
The same has been said for Leinart after last year. He was staring #1 overall in the face and coming off a Heisman win and a National championship, and he decided to hang around.
Especially if Texas loses tomorrow night, Young would have a lot more of a reason to hang around than Leinart did.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 03, 2006, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 03, 2006, 09:56:43 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 03, 2006, 09:52:06 AM
Vince Young is staying at Texas for his senior year, last I heard.
really? i just assumed he would leave, what else does he have to accomplish? especially if they win tomorrow.
The same has been said for Leinart after last year. He was staring #1 overall in the face and coming off a Heisman win and a National championship, and he decided to hang around.
Especially if Texas loses tomorrow night, Young would have a lot more of a reason to hang around than Leinart did.
yeah, good point. however, i would imagine that in Texas they would string up any man taking social dancing.
01 - Houston
02 - New Orleans
03 - Tennessee
04 - N.Y. Jets
05 - Green Bay
06 - Oakland
07 - San Francisco
08 - Buffalo
09 - Detroit
10 - Arizona
11 - St. Louis
12 - Cleveland
13 - Baltimore
14 - EAGLES
15 - Atlanta
16 - Miami
17 - Minnesota
18 - Dallas
19 - San Diego
20 - Kansas City
21 - New England
22 - Denver (from WSH)
23 - Tampa Bay
24 - Cincinnati
25 - N.Y. Giants
26 - Chicago
27 - Carolina
28 - Pittsburgh
29 - Jacksonville
30 - Indianapolis
31 - Seattle
32 - Denver
I have a feeling Carolina will finish 32 and Pitt. 31.
From Great Blue North
QuoteJanuary 20, 2006
# Team Player
POS
School
1 Houston
Reggie Bush
RB
Southern California
2 New Orleans Matt Leinart
QB
Southern California
3 Tennessee Vince Young
QB
Texas
4 New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson
OT
Virginia
5 Green Bay Mario Williams
DE
North Carolina State
T6
Oakland A.J. Hawk
LB
Ohio State
T6 San Francisco Jimmy Williams
CB
Virginia Tech
8 Buffalo Haloti Ngata DT
Oregon
9 Detroit Tamba Hali
DE
Penn State
10 Arizona DeAngelo Williams
RB
Memphis
11
St. Louis
Vernon Davis
TE
Maryland
12
Cleveland Eric Winston
OT
Miami
13 Baltimore Demeco Ryans
LB
Alabama
14 Philadelphia LenDale White
RB
Southern California :D
15 Atlanta Michael Huff
DB
Texas
16 Miami Marcus McNeill
OT
Auburn
17 Minnesota Laurence Maroney
RB
Minnesota
18
Dallas
Jonathan Scott
OT
Texas
19 San Diego Chad Greenway
LB
Iowa
20
Kansas City
Mathias Kiwanuka DE
Boston College
21
New England Ernie Sims
LB
Florida State
22 Denver (from Washington) Marcedes Lewis
TE
UCLA
23 Tampa Bay Winston Justice
OT
Southern California
24
Cincinnati
Rod Wright
DT
Texas
25
New York Giants
Santonio Holmes
WR
Ohio State
26 Chicago Leonard Pope
TE
Georgia
27 *Carolina Gabe Watson
DT
Michigan
28 *Pittsburgh Manny Lawson
LB
North Carolina State
29 *Jacksonville Antonio Cromartie
CB
Florida State
30 Indianapolis Brodrick Bunkley
DT
Florida State
S31 *Seattle Ashton Youboty
CB
Ohio State
S32
*Denver
Ko Simpson
DB
South Carolina
Quote14 Philadelphia LenDale White
RB
Southern California
I just came. A lot.
well that would work
I still say go defense. If you need a big RB, you can always aquire the Mad Pooper or someone like that.
The Mad Pooper would also be ok if he's healthy, but drafting White in the first would indicate that the team is a)acknowledging that they need more talent at RB and b)putting value on hard-nosed, straight ahead running. I agree that the D needs more help than the O but the importance of this pick and what it would indicate is huge. Which is part of why it will never ever ever happen.
try not to label lendale as just a big back...hes not...he is very shifty and has some quicks...hes an athlete at rb...he aint no ron dayne
Yeah, yeah. No need for the sales job. Pretty much everyone on here would be onboard with White. We've established that.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/mock.html
yeah but everyone wants him as the 'big back'...which is dont think he is...hes just bigger than what they have
and i also think there are several here that would not be on board with a rb in that spot
Well, for us he would be the "big back."
Quote Philadelphia Eagles Marcus McNeill, OT, Auburn
They have to keep McNabb healthy.
I could live with that too.
Ron dayne. :-D
when i said big back, i was referring to a RB larger than westrbook who can run inside the tackles. While White would be a hell of an asset, the defensive line/linebackers need help more than anything.
Seattle Seahawks Tamba Hali, DE, Penn St.
Should go higher on draft day.
isnt a mock draft a prediction of where each player will go on draft day?
Justice!
EAT MY JUSTICE!
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the positions i think they should go for in round 1 on draft day are ones that i know they wont.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2006, 01:14:51 PM
and i also think there are several here that would not be on board with a rb in that spot
If we still have garbage in the front 7 come draft day... count me in that group. Taking ANY RB while we still have holes at DE, DT and OLB would be assinine.
RB is tied with punter near the end of my "Man, I hope they draft this position in the first round" list. It goes like this:
Everything else
RB/Punter
Kicker
QB
01 - Houston
02 - New Orleans
03 - Tennessee
04 - N.Y. Jets
05 - Green Bay
06 - Oakland
07 - San Francisco
08 - Buffalo
09 - Detroit
10 - Arizona
11 - St. Louis
12 - Cleveland
13 - Baltimore
14 - EAGLES
15 - Atlanta
16 - Miami
17 - Minnesota
18 - Dallas
19 - San Diego
20 - Kansas City
21 - New England
22 - Denver (from WSH)
23 - Tampa Bay
24 - Cincinnati
25 - N.Y. Giants
26 - Chicago
27 - Carolina
28 - Jacksonville
29 - Denver
30 - Indianapolis
31 - Pittsburgh
32 - Seattle
Anyone here aware of this guy?
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/tye_hill.html
I saw him today on the NFL Network's coverage of the Senior Bowl practice. The guy is like velcro on recievers, has great hands, and speed. The only knock is that he is smallish listed at around 5'11" 180-190lbs.
A few mocks have had him at the end of the 1st round or more likely a 2nd-round pick....
I remember reading that he's one of the 492 players Andy has talked to at the Senior Bowl.
I remember reading that he's one of the 492 players Andy has talked to at the Senior Bowl.
lol
I saw Hill play 3-4 times this year, he's very good but I don't see the Birds taking a CB until very late in the draft.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on January 26, 2006, 06:30:00 PM
I saw Hill play 3-4 times this year, he's very good but I don't see the Birds taking a CB until very late in the draft.
You might be surprised. Assuming the Eagles are fairly certain that Ware is more a safety/special teamer and that Wynn sucks... also that Rod Hood is an RFA this year and Lito and Sheldon both had bonehead moments last year...
That said, Strickland looked OK in limited action, and they might just bring him back to be the dime corner. We'll see.
Updated picks from the various mock drafts:
Great Blue North (2/2) = Santonio Holmes
Kiper (1/31) = Winston Justice
College Football News (1/30) = Jimmy Williams :sly (3rd CB then move to safety)
Draft Ace (1/30) = Chad Greenway
Draft Hype (1/29) = LenDale White
Draft King (1/28) = Claude Wroten
Scouts Notebook (1/28) = Greenway
Draft Season (1/27) = DeMeco Ryans
Football's Future (1/27) = Holmes
Draft Showcase (1/26) = Greenway
Draft Studio (1/22) = Kiwanuka
NFL Draft Countdown (1/22) = Greenway
Consensus Draft (1/21) = Greenway
Draft Notebook (1/3, lazy a-holes) = Holmes
Wroten with the 14th overall? There's a better chance of me giving Jessica Alba a belly to belly suplex.
Since I don't see McNeil anywhere on any of those mocks... I'm betting the house that he's who we're going with.
mcneil had a nice pick in the senior bowl and looked pretty nimble for a giant.
i'd crap my pants with glee if we got lendale white, and it makes no sense for us so the chances of it happening are probably pretty high.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 02, 2006, 09:20:53 AM
it makes no sense for us so the chances of it happening are probably pretty high.
I was thinking the same thing. One thing we can predict from the Eagles' first rounders since Freddie is that we don't know ish... not even a little bit.
2002 - I had a feeling the Eagles were going to pick Lito when I saw he was still on the board, but I hadn't really thought about him as a possibility before they were on the clock.
2003 - Trade-up for McDougle? Kind of a surprise.
2004 - Trade-up for an OL? Very few people saw that coming.
2005 - Pretty much no one called Patterson.
So, names like Holmes, Justice, and Greenway might as well be tossed out the window. No chance.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 02, 2006, 09:20:53 AM
and it makes no sense for us so the chances of it happening are probably pretty high.
If the most sensical pick is the most likely, than I nominate a trade-up for a placekicker!
Book it!
01 - Houston
02 - New Orleans
03 - Tennessee
04 - N.Y. Jets
05 - Green Bay
06 - Oakland
07 - San Francisco
08 - Buffalo
09 - Detroit
10 - Arizona
11 - St. Louis
12 - Cleveland
13 - Baltimore
14 - EAGLES
15 - Atlanta
16 - Miami
17 - Minnesota
18 - Dallas
19 - San Diego
20 - Kansas City
21 - New England
22 - Denver (from WSH)
23 - Tampa Bay
24 - Cincinnati
25 - N.Y. Giants
26 - Chicago
27 - Carolina
28 - Jacksonville
29 - Denver
30 - Indianapolis
31 - Seattle
32 - Pittsburgh
Over/Under for how many message boards Ed posted that on: 5
I'll take the over.
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Not on nfl-world or the giants message board ???
I don't visit those boards...
Here, EMB and PhilliesPhans
Don't lie. We all took the over.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 05, 2006, 11:28:06 PM
I don't visit those boards...
Here, EMB and PhilliesPhans
QuoteGoogle Results 1 - 10 of about 14,200 for BigEd76
:-D
Quote from: Wingspan on February 06, 2006, 10:01:12 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 05, 2006, 11:28:06 PM
I don't visit those boards...
Here, EMB and PhilliesPhans
QuoteGoogle Results 1 - 10 of about 14,200 for BigEd76
:-D
I saw that too. I was going to post it but figured Ed would wipe out my bank account & start a global thermonuclear war from his PC.
BigEd76 should be trademarked.
He could then open up a hot dog stand on the Wildwood boardwalk and sell BigEd76 franks.
Good times could be had by all.
hot dogs and orange drink
50 cent sodas in the hood...the kids is going crazy
Quote from: Beermonkey on February 06, 2006, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 06, 2006, 10:01:12 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 05, 2006, 11:28:06 PM
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QuoteGoogle Results 1 - 10 of about 14,200 for BigEd76
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I saw that too. I was going to post it but figured Ed would wipe out my bank account & start a global thermonuclear war from his PC.
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Follow up article to an earlier column. (http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/EaglesColumn.htm)
QuoteOFF-SEASON PLAN PART II
Additional positions the Eagles must address are on the offensive and defensive lines, wide receiver and tight end. Some of these positions would benefit from a front-line veteran presence, while others require youth. Throughout Andy Reid's tenure, the "plan" rarely plays out with conventional thought in mind. A good example of this would be the 2002 draft where the birds selected 2 corners (Sheppard and Brown) and strong safety Michael Lewis with their first three selections. Fans questioned why the team addressed two positions that yielded Pro Bowl corners Vincent and Taylor. Talk of the inept drafting abilities of a then 3rd year coach Andy Reid rang clear from South Philly to the Main Line. Obvious holes on the 2001-02 team (WR/TE/DE) was neglected in favor of bolstering a strong secondary. Some fans screamed for the consensus play-maker, while the Eagles targeted players to replace aging mainstays. This strategy should continue as long as Big Red calls the shots in Philly.
The position that's being discussed as the biggest need – Defensive Tackle, has fans salivating over prospects like Oregon's Haloti Ngata. Although this seemingly sure-fire prospect would improve the defensive line, how much of an impact would he have in 06? It's pretty uncommon that a rookie DT, no matter how talented, can be relied upon to immediately sure-up a line's interior. When you take into account this player will line up next to second year starter Mike Patterson, chemistry and experience are instantly compromised. The team should look towards experienced free agent DT's to compliment what they already have. Rounds 3 thru 5 should harbor depth concerns the Eagles look to address.
Just last spring, the birds selected a solid DT with pick #31 in the first round. They chose Mike Patterson in an effort to re-tool the defensive tackle position. The undersized Patterson was referred to as "Baby Sapp" after flourishing at USC in 04. Although his rookie sack total (3.5) doesn't anoint him the next great DT, he was the best Eagles DT in 2005. It will be interesting to see how much of a leap he can make in 06 after surpassing expectations as a rookie. The Eagles' current task is to find a line-mate to compliment Patterson's budding talent. Some are hoping the Eagles select his compliment with pick 14. This is not the best strategy for a team that looks to compete for the division. The Eagles can bypass the normal learning curve by signing a veteran FA. There are a few that should be available when the free-agency begins in early March. *** (Look for Hollis Thomas and Paul Grasmanis to be released by the start of training camp) ***
Solution: – La'roi Glover DT (Dallas Cowboys). Glover has been a force for most of his professional career but fell into a bad situation in Dallas. The 3-4 alignment that cost him playing time, paired with the 1.5 million dollar roster bonus he's set to receive in March, will have Glover searching for a new home. Agent Tom Condon has already expressed to a source that he doesn't expect Glover, who will count more than 7 million against the cap, to remain with Dallas in 06. The Eagles should have a chance to land the 32 year old DT who's looking to utilize his pass-rushing skills from the 4-3 alignment. Glover's attributes include excellent field awareness, great strength to collapse the pocket and a Pro Bowl-caliber presence the interior currently lacks. Being part of a rotation would suit the aging Glover. La Roi paired with Patterson could make the pocket a dangerous place for opposing quarterbacks on obvious passing downs. The Eagles could secure Glover for somewhere in the ballpark of 2.5 million per with a 4.5 million dollar signing bonus. Glover will look to sign a 2 year (minimum) guaranteed contract if the Eagles are willing to land the soon-to-be ex-Cowboy.
Another player who could figure into the mix would be the URFA defensive tackle from Seattle: Rocky Bernard. The 26 year old Bernard will demand more money than Glover, but should become a mainstay for years to come. Although the commitment to Bernard would entail a substantial long-term contract, he's young with tremendous upside. How much upside will be the question when the Eagles look to bolster an unproductive defensive line? Since being drafted in the fifth round in 2002, Bernard continues to improve. At 6-3 295lbs, the Texas A&M product has decent size and a real knack for penetrating up the middle. He notched 8.5 sacks in 2005 and recorded 42 solo tackles which reflects well on his play recognition. Are the Eagles looking for a short term solution with Glover, or to finally replace Simon with a similar player in Bernard? Seattle will make every effort to retain Bernard's services but might not have the money to keep this Rocky out of Philly.
The thought of Todd Pinkston returning from injury doesn't dismiss the need for a "go-to" receiver in an offense that averaged 40 plus pass attempts per game. Donovan McNabb had arguably the best season of any Eagles quarterback in its 72 year history while paired with Terrell Owens. Like him or not, T.O. is one of the best in the business and in turn gave McNabb the target every quarterback dreams of having. Now it's back to a group of receivers who haven't shown the ability to get open in big games. Although Reggie Brown looked promising as a rookie, it would be naïve to think he can fill the big shoes left by Owens. Do the Eagles need a true number 1 receiver to win the division and challenge for the Superbowl? No, but making the argument an established top-flight receiver wouldn't make life easier for Donovan is just misguided.
Solution: Eric Moulds, WR (Buffalo Bills). Eric Moulds (6-2 210lbs) has proven to be a true "number one" despite playing on poor-to-average teams during his tenure in Buffalo. His numbers are impressive when looking at the list of quarterbacks he's worked with. Moulds averaged nearly 85 receptions a season with the likes of Rob Johnson, Alex Van Pelt and just recently J.P. Losman leading the Bills offense. That in itself is a major accomplishment. His asking price will be kept in check by his age at 31. Most top receivers speak on the importance of learning from a savvy veteran as they developed. Moulds would be good for this group, especially Reggie Brown. Not only would he take some of the pressure off them, but his experience would benefit players like Brown and Greg Lewis. Moulds can be obtained for less money than what Reggie Wayne expects to receive on the open market. If Wayne is coerced into staying with Indy, Moulds asking price could skyrocket outside of what the Eagles are willing to spend. A likely scenario would be Indy opting to retain Wayne and letting James walk. Wayne's importance to the Colts might force the organization to become creative with their cap and keep Reggie in Payton's arsenal.
The Eagles in addition to coveting the services of Moulds would be wise in drafting a wide receiver with punt return skills. The loss of J.R. Reed was felt last year as the kick and punt return teams struggled. A good slot WR should be available to the Eagles in the 3rd to 4th rounds where they expect to address the position. Skyler Green from LSU is a quality pass catcher/kick returner hybrid who would make perfect sense. Although undersized at 5-10 195lbs, Green is a playmaker and natural return man the Eagles so desperately miss. Ideal size won't score touchdowns at the next level but Skyler Green will.
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QuoteL.J. Smith has done a nice job becoming a viable option for McNabb in the passing game. Smith's has been good as a receiver but lacks the blocking skills to be considered a complete TE. With Chad Lewis making his last stand in 05, the Eagles will search for a compliment to Smith. There are a few draft prospects that could become the sought after blocking TE with the ability to take some receptions away from Smith. Dominique Byrd (6-3 260lbs) out of USC would give the team a dynamic option in a two tight end set. Byrd's athleticism and pass catching ability is his strength, but he is also an underrated blocker. He has the strength to move linebackers and undersized rush ends away from the play. His questionable character will be scrutinized at the combine but shouldn't push him past the 3rd round. Another interesting prospect is Erik Gill, the 6-5 275lb blocking TE out of Pittsburgh. Gill can't match Byrd's athleticism but is a better blocker. He also has the ability to catch the ball as displayed in 2004 season where he gained 433 yards while notching 4 tds. Tight ends coach Greg Gattuso called Gill a solid blocking TE with good hands. Gill was awarded the "most improved offensive player" in 2004 after backing up All-Big East TE Kris Wilson.
The final piece of the puzzle is a Pro Bowler, who will be the most sought after offensive lineman in free agency. LG Chad Hutchinson, the mauler from Seattle, has been a huge part of RB Shawn Alexander's success over the last few seasons. He will demand a lucrative contract but as the Eagles have shown in the past: they will spend the money for the players they target (i.e. John Runyan, Jevon Kearse). The Eagles are in a favorable position to land the All Pro guard according to next years cap numbers. Chad Hutchinson is the type of guy Andy Reid would be willing to pay top dollar for. The youth movement on the offensive line would benefit from the leadership Hutchinson would bring. With Tra Thomas suffering from chronic back problems and the future of RT John Runyan in question, the Eagles will look to add a valuable building block to a line in transition. There is the risk that Seattle could franchise Hutchinson but that will materialize after the Superbowl.
*****In reference to Part I of the off-season plan, FB Brian Leonard has decided to return to Rutgers for his final season while it's looking like Julius Peterson will out-price the Eagles in FA. The Eagles reportedly have shown interest in Will Witherspoon (OLB) currently playing for Carolina ......more info will be available in the coming weeks.
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San Francisco won the coin toss with Oakland and will pick 6th.
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AdamJT13 is known around football MBs as the person that has the best estimates on what the NFL compensation picks will be, and he's been pretty close each of the last 5 years. Here's this year's predictions:
QuoteHere are the projected picks, along with the compensatory player, their games played/started and their average contract value –
THIRD ROUND
N.Y. Jets (LaMont Jordan, $5.51 million, 14 GP/14 GS)
FOURTH ROUND
Denver (Reggie Hayward, $5.0 million, 15/15)
Pittsburgh (Kendrell Bell, $4.974 million, 16/14)
Baltimore (Gary Baxter, $5.004 million, 5/5 IR)
Pittsburgh (Plaxico Burress, $4.167 million, 16/15)
Baltimore (Edgerton Hartwell, $4.375 million, 5/5 IR)
FIFTH ROUND
Philadelphia (Derrick Burgess, $3.491 million, 16/12, Pro Bowl)
Green Bay (Marco Rivera, $3.80 million, 14/14)
Pittsburgh (Oliver Ross, $3.50 million, 12/11)
Tampa Bay (Dwight Smith, $3.04 million, 15/15)
Tennessee (Andre Dyson, $3.501 million, 10/6)
Baltimore (Casey Rabach, $2.825 million, 16/16)
SIXTH ROUND
Philadelphia (Jermane Mayberry, $3.009 million, 11/8)
New England (David Patten, $2.60 million, 9/7 IR)
New England (Joe Andruzzi, $2.194 million, 13/13)
Indianapolis (Rick DeMulling, $2.275 million, 14/5)
SEVENTH ROUND
Baltimore (Bennie Anderson, $1.706 million, 16/15)
Tampa Bay (Chartric Darby, $1.0 million, 14/14)
St. Louis (Tommy Polley, $800,000, 16/15)
St. Louis (Matt Lehr, $710,000, 15/15)
Tampa Bay (Keith Burns, $790,000, 15/1)
Detroit (Stockar McDougle, $750,000, (8/2)
Buffalo (net value; lost $9.49 million, 19/19, IR ; signed $3.409 million, 26/23)
Seattle (net value; lost $12.167 million, 47/43; signed $7.001 million, 40/35)
Washington (net value; lost $10.075 million, 24/21; signed $5.425 million, 25/23 IR)
Houston (non-compensatory)
New Orleans (non-compensatory)
Green Bay (non-compensatory)
San Francisco (non-compensatory)
Oakland (non-compensatory)
Tennessee (non-compensatory)
New York Jets (non-compensatory)
Eleven of the comp picks I've projected appear to be on the borderline between two rounds, or at least close to the borderline. So it wouldn't surprise me if the comp pick ... for Mayberry [is] in the fifth round ....
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PHILADELPHIA
Lost – Derrick Burgess, Jermane Mayberry, Ike Reese.
Signed – Mike McMahon.
Full thread (http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163280)
A fifth-rounder for a guy who led the league in sacks and made the Pro Bowl? Blasphemy.
Yeah, I'm not too spyched about that little development. I thought the absolute WORST the team would get would be a fourth. Boo!
This is, at this time, just speculation from some guy who's usually right.
So, it's not really a 'development' just yet. Plus, I thought that sometimes they condensed a team's losses into fewer draft picks than actual players they lost (meaning the Eagles could get a 4th instead of a 5th and a 6th?).
Anyway, official word isn't out yet.
Clearly, but this dude is pretty spot on year after year. I mean, we've gotten 4th rounders for the past couple of years and no one we ever let go had the kind of season that Burgess had...
If the Eagles only receive a fifth rounder for Burgess, the system is a joke.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 07, 2006, 08:24:29 PM
If the Eagles only receive a fifth rounder for Burgess, the system is a joke.
It would appear it's based more on what a departing player makes than how they perform. That's super.
Well it takes into account a number of factors, production, size of the contract, amybe a few others that I don't know. So maybe since he wasn't a huge star before and got a big, but not enormous contract he doesn't help out as much. But anyway, a fifth rounder sucks for losing a dude who had 16 sacks.
I wonder if they can change this with a new CBA...
If you lose a guy in free agency, and he has 15+ sacks the next year, you automatically get a 3rd round pick.
Losing Burgess was a huge thing for the Eagles. At the time it didn't look to be but they lost a starting pro bowl defensive end and all they'll get in compensation is a fifth rounder?
Idiotic beyond belief.
a 5th rounder is horseshtein. Burgess lumped in with a guy like Andre Dyson who had 20 tackles and 1 int last year? damnit.
QuoteAs the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better com-pensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are deter-mined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors.
Based on TD throws to the other teams, the McMahon signing should count as the Eagles losing 3 additional FA's. :P
On that entire list... Burgess is the ONLY Pro Bowler from last year and (crazy enough) one of the only few who have played in all 16 games for their new team... on top of that leading the league in sacks thing. That's only worth a 5th rounder (according to his estimates)?
Then, guys like Ed Hartwell and Gary Baxter who did shtein for ATL and CLE other than get hurt earn their old teams 4th rounders? I guess Burgess screwed us again by not doing his thing and only playing a fraction of the season. Had he done his one and done thing again, we could have had a 3rd rounder.