The Bye Bye TO (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17066.0) thread is now 20 pages long. Time for a new forum to discuss this melodrama, don't you think?
Here is Bob Brookover's piece from today's Inquirer:
QuoteLet's Make a Deal
Eagles may try to work out T.O. exit strategy
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
Terrell Owens returned to Philadelphia yesterday.
It's still highly unlikely that he will return to the Eagles for this or any other season.
Owens' grievance hearing against the team is scheduled for late this morning. The site was changed yesterday from the team's NovaCare Complex to the Philadelphia Airport Marriott.
That's what was definitely known last night.
Far more was unknown.
It was believed that the Eagles were trying to cut some sort of deal with Owens and the NFL players' union in an attempt to keep the case from being ruled upon by Richard Bloch, the arbitrator assigned to the hearing.
Team president Joe Banner was in meetings late yesterday and did not return a phone call last night.
Owens returned to Philadelphia on a Delta Airlines flight from Atlanta, but he granted no interviews and apparently did not return to his home in Moorestown, the site of his news conference 10 days ago after Eagles coach Andy Reid announced his four-game suspension without pay.
If Owens' case goes to a hearing today, it will be argued by lawyers from the players' union and the league.
Richard Berthelsen, the general counsel for the NFL Players Association, has said the union would argue that the Eagles' punishment of their star receiver for conduct detrimental to the team was excessive.
Berthelsen said the offense has a four-game suspension limit and the Eagles have said that they plan to deactivate Owens during the final five games of the season, which the union will argue deprives the receiver of a chance at earning incentives and a trip to the Pro Bowl.
Sources with the Eagles have said that the money in this dispute does not matter to the team as much as ridding it of the headaches the controversial receiver has caused. Owens stands to lose $823,529 if Bloch rules against him. The Eagles have also maintained that they are entitled to $1.8 million of the receiver's $9 million signing bonus from last year because they believe Owens violated his contract terms when he failed to show up at a mandatory post-draft camp in the spring.
With more than $2.6 million at stake, the Eagles could dangle that money in front of Owens in the hope that he would agree to end his dispute and cut ties with the team.
Owens' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, has said that his client's main goal is to rejoin the Eagles, and there is still a movement in the team's locker room to bring the receiver back. Linebacker Jeremiah Trotter continued to beat that drum during an interview Wednesday that ESPN2 aired yesterday on its Cold Pizza morning program.
Trotter was asked if he thought Owens was finished with the Eagles, who have lost twice since their top receiver was exiled.
"I don't think so," the linebacker said. "For some crazy reason, I got a feeling. We would love to have T.O. back. We love what he brings to the team - his emotions, his ability, his confidence. He would definitely make us a better team. He feels bad about it. He's going through a tough time mentally. He wants to be with the team. He's not a bad guy."
Trotter allowed that Owens' return would have to come with conditions, including that he'd have to understand "that Andy is the head coach and whatever he says goes." The linebacker has expressed his feelings to Reid.
"He knows how I feel about T.O.," Trotter said. "Andy loves T.O. But as a head coach, you've got so many things to worry about, the last thing you want is outside distractions. Just cause I love T.O. doesn't mean I agree with everything he does."
Trotter said he believes that even quarterback Donovan McNabb, the target of numerous cheap shots by Owens, would welcome the receiver back.
"I believe Donovan wants him back if T.O. comes back with the right attitude," Trotter said. "I'm sure he'll accept him."
McNabb refused to answer questions about Owens after the Eagles' loss Monday night to the Dallas Cowboys. The quarterback is facing the prospect of season-ending surgery to repair a sports hernia.
Defensive end N.D. Kalu, who has expressed disappointment in the past about Owens' behavior, said he'd be willing to bring the receiver back.
"He is one of the best receivers in the league, so why wouldn't we welcome him?" Kalu said. "We just hope he is on the same page with everybody, which I'm sure he is because he sounded so sincere with his apology."
Quote from: rjs246 on November 11, 2005, 09:54:09 AM
I'm going to recommend that we publicly stone anyone who starts another TO thread.
My, what a marvelous idea!
ok, let me gather some rocks.
Lovers quarrel? :D
(http://www.liebemichbisich.com/ims/smiley_popcorn.gif)
I like to get stoned.
Are you saying I'm in love with myself? Because, that is very clearly the case.
i'm gonna go ahead and say that this thread will be 10 pages by 2pm Eastern Time...and not one post will not make any sense.
but a few will make me laugh.
My sources say that the arbitrator will rule that T.O. must be the starting QB for the Eagles for the remainder of '05.
The curtains are still closed, and no one is allowed into the hotel unless they're eating at the restaurant. Intense.
now there are CURTIANS involved?
what is this world coming to?!
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 18, 2005, 12:06:51 PM
The curtains are still closed, and no one is allowed into the hotel unless they're eating at the restaurant. Intense.
well, it's lunch time, i'm on my way, i'll update you when i get back...
aparently someone excused them self after they coughed right before speaking. can you beleive the drama?
Quote from: T_Section224 on November 18, 2005, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 18, 2005, 12:06:51 PM
The curtains are still closed, and no one is allowed into the hotel unless they're eating at the restaurant. Intense.
well, it's lunch time, i'm on my way, i'll update you when i get back...
Make sure you brings some eggs, T. >:D
Speaking of eggs, Roy Williams was on ESPN Radio yesterday bitching about their bus getting hit. He said it was rude but that he expected it from Philly fans. I hate Roy!
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 18, 2005, 11:03:54 AM
My sources say that the arbitrator will rule that T.O. must be the starting QB for the Eagles for the remainder of '05.
I guess I have to register the TO2TOTD handle now.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 18, 2005, 12:43:56 PM
Speaking of eggs, Roy Williams was on ESPN Radio yesterday bitching about their bus getting hit. He said it was rude but that he expected it from Philly fans. I hate Roy!
couldn't have been die-hard this time, all he hit was the septa bus.
Nah, not me. I wouldnt have even rememebred if it was though. Damn Southern Comfort.
Phreak was telling me that the SF papers were talking about how the Niners bus got hit coming into the Linc too, and I can take credit for that one.
Hooray bad publicity!
you can also take credit for hitting some PennDot workers and i believe a cop car. your aim has been spot on this year.
Putting people's lives at risk is a hoot!
yeah, eggs are the number one reason for tailgate deaths this year, up 12.42% from last year, it's horrible.
Are you saying I'm in love with myself? Because, that is very clearly the case
im a mawg
half man
half dog
im my own best friend
(http://www.briansbelly.com/halloffame/images/candy_barf.jpg)
This thread blows compared to the other TO thread.
Every TO thread blows.
My sources tell me that I would rather read grouphug all day than wait for something exciting in the 'TO Grievance Hearng" to happen.
I don't believe you. Who is your so-called source?
Your souces smell of peanut brittle and diet fresca.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 18, 2005, 02:20:15 PM
Your souces smell of peanut brittle and diet fresca.
All Fresca is Diet Fresca, actually.
(http://www.accboards.com/accboards/emoticons/lock.gif)?
Quote from: T_Section224 on November 18, 2005, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 18, 2005, 12:43:56 PM
Speaking of eggs, Roy Williams was on ESPN Radio yesterday bitching about their bus getting hit. He said it was rude but that he expected it from Philly fans. I hate Roy!
couldn't have been die-hard this time, all he hit was the septa bus.
Die-Hard needs to stop wasting eggs on Septa busses. Although if that's pre-game practice...I guess it's ok.
From the now locked T.O. thread:
Quote from: rjs246
My sources just smoke-signaled me that they are planning a sneak attack on your sources and I believe I the phrase 'fecal cannon' was used. More than once.
That reminds me of a time I was camping after another debacherous day of canoeing on the Current River. When we got back to the campsite, I proceeded to get even drunker. That's when I realized I had to take a gigantic rjs so I shat onto a piece of saran wrap, took the package of poo with me back to the campfire, located the water balloon launcher, and sent the package into a neighboring campsite. I still don't feel guilty.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 02:30:14 PM
(http://www.accboards.com/accboards/emoticons/lock.gif)?
Are you seriously asking to get a thread locked? That's rich.
aksing would be (http://www.accboards.com/accboards/emoticons/lock.gif)!
i was merely suggesting
For clarification purposes, I am both suggesting you go to hell and also asking you to do it.
ill take it under consideration and get back to you next week...thanks
Quote from: T_Section224 on November 18, 2005, 09:49:17 AM
ok, let me gather some rocks.
I got the equipment. Im ready.
(http://www.knightsedge.com/medieval-weapons/medieval-catapult-4804.jpg)
So uh...what's the verdict? Is he innocent or guilty?
For the charge, Murder in the First Degree, we the jury find the defendant, Terrell Owens, not guilty.
For the charge, conduct unbecoming a Philadelphia Eagle, we the jury find the defendant, Terrell Owens, guilty as charged.
For the charge, conduct detrimental to the Philadelphia Eagles winning a Super Bowl in 2006, we the jury find the defendant, Terrell Owens, guilty as charged.
Mr. Owens, you are hereby sentenced to time served and are to be dishonorably discharged from the Philadelphia Eagles. This court is adjourned! :boo :boo
I'm sick of people reporting that the arbitrator may force the Eagles to release TO. That is not possible. They can only force them to not suspend him and pay him.
I heard he's going to force them to naked-hug.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 19, 2005, 01:19:33 AM
I heard he's going to force them to naked-hug.
My source says Hugh won't naked hug
Owens hearing ends; ruling expected within several days
By Rob Maaddi, The Associated Press
PHILADELPHIA — Terrell Owens might be closer to returning to the field this season, even though the Philadelphia Eagles still don't want him back.
Arbitrator Richard Bloch did not issue a ruling after the 13-hour arbitration hearing Friday.
Richard Berthelsen, general counsel of the NFL Players' Association, said a decision is expected by Tuesday and expressed optimism that Owens would not have to sit out the remainder of the season.
The dismissed Owens — who did not speak with reporters after leaving the hearing — is seeking reinstatement.
"This discipline did not meet the legal standards of the collective bargaining agreement," said attorney Jeffrey Kessler, representing the union.
"He wants to play for Philadelphia," Kessler said. "He doesn't have any problem with his teammates, the organization or the fans. He never expected this to be the result."
Berthelsen said that the hearing started at 9:30 a.m. with three hours of opening arguments from the players' association, followed by eight hours of team testimony, and another two hours from the players' association general counsel.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/eagles/2005-11-18-owens-hearing_x.htm
If Kessler is to believed, it don't look good for the Eagles. If that's the case, be prepared for a host of NFL players not happy with their contracts to put their teams through the same type of behavior patterns, in hopes of getting suspended, they challenge the suspension, and the arbitrator gets them off the hook.
Quote from: qwert246 on November 19, 2005, 02:36:31 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 19, 2005, 01:19:33 AM
I heard he's going to force them to naked-hug.
My source says Hugh won't naked hug
My source can beat up your source.
Jeffrey Kessler was cool a year and a half ago. Now he's a stupid dummy.
QuoteEagles | Reid testifies for four hours
Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:46:11 -0800
ESPN.com reports Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid was cross-examined for nearly four hours during WR Terrell Owens grievance hearing. Reid was asked to go through all 11 counts of conduct detrimental to the organization brought against Owens. Reid was then questioned on if the severity of the punishment was warranted and to compare Owens' behavior to other members of the team and if those players had been punished as severely. None of the other witnesses gave a testimony for longer than 30 minutes.
wow, the way AR is giving information, that must have been a picnic for everyone involved
Good to hear that they took 14 hours out of a day that could have and should have been spent preparing for the Giants. I love Terrell Owens!
What I can't figure out is why some really rich Eagles fan hasn't taken a contract out on that farger yet.
Seriously, my buddy and I were talking about this on the golf course yesterday. Why hasn't some rich gazillionaire with connections in organized crime taken a contract out on T.O.?
Can someone please explain why this hasn't happened yet?
:boom
Quote from: General_Failure on November 19, 2005, 03:40:17 AM
Quote from: qwert246 on November 19, 2005, 02:36:31 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 19, 2005, 01:19:33 AM
I heard he's going to force them to naked-hug.
My source says Hugh won't naked hug
My source can beat up your source.
My sources tell me that you are correct and that in a toe to toe fight, your sources would pound his sources into submission. However, my sources also tell me that rjs' sources are a bunch of pyros and they would show up to the fight with flame throwers and Molotov cocktails which would do wonders for your redheaded skin complexion.
QuoteEagles | Reid testifies for four hours
Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:46:11 -0800
ESPN.com reports Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid was cross-examined for nearly four hours during WR Terrell Owens grievance hearing. Giving only 30 minutes of actual testimony, Reid spent the remaining time coughing and clearing his throat.
Fixed
What was great was the fact that in the Inky this morning, they said Reid SAT RIGHT ACROSS from Owens while giving his testimony. This is what I don't understand about Kessler--if the union feels that its going to go Owens' way, why didn't Bloch rule on it last night? I mean, when Burbank held the hearing last year concerning Owens, he made a point at the end of testimony to tell the players union that they should work out a deal--that's why you saw Steve Biscotti with such a sour face when they left the building.
Surely, after 14 hours of testimony, especially 4 1/2 hours from Reid, he could have come to a decision.
time's yours
Bloch's probably deciding whether to scr00 the Eagles, because he's a Skins fan, or rule correctly.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 19, 2005, 12:31:57 PM
What was great was the fact that in the Inky this morning, they said Reid SAT RIGHT ACROSS from Owens while giving his testimony. This is what I don't understand about Kessler--if the union feels that its going to go Owens' way, why didn't Bloch rule on it last night? I mean, when Burbank held the hearing last year concerning Owens, he made a point at the end of testimony to tell the players union that they should work out a deal--that's why you saw Steve Biscotti with such a sour face when they left the building.
Surely, after 14 hours of testimony, especially 4 1/2 hours from Reid, he could have come to a decision.
There's a 'Skins home game tomorrow. It could be he's got a meeting with some people where a dead tree used to be.
From CBS Sportsline (which is not a great source)
QuoteThe arbitrator in charge of hearing the Terrell Owens grievance for reinstatement, Richard Bloch, is hearing the case and is expected to make a decision sometime next week.He did not issue a ruling after the 13-hour arbitration hearing Friday. Richard Berthelsen, general counsel of the NFL Players' Association, said a decision is expected by Tuesday and expressed optimism that Owens would not have to sit out the remainder of the season.
He "can express optimism that Owens will not have to sit out the rest of the season", but that's NOT what the hearing was about. The hearing was about the 4 game suspension ONLY.
I wish he would play. So that all you people would have something to bitch about after the Eagles lose to the Giants. Cuz i'll be thinking about Penn State and baseball.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 20, 2005, 03:57:06 AM
I wish he would play. So that all you people would have something to bitch about after the Eagles lose to the Giants. Cuz i'll be thinking about Penn State and baseball.
spoken like a true fan, through and through.... ::)
Quote from: Wingspan on November 20, 2005, 10:57:32 AM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 20, 2005, 03:57:06 AM
I wish he would play. So that all you people would have something to bitch about after the Eagles lose to the Giants. Cuz i'll be thinking about Penn State and baseball.
spoken like a true fan, through and through.... ::)
You act shocked? LOL. Expected from him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 20, 2005, 11:09:04 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 20, 2005, 10:57:32 AM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 20, 2005, 03:57:06 AM
I wish he would play. So that all you people would have something to bitch about after the Eagles lose to the Giants. Cuz i'll be thinking about Penn State and baseball.
spoken like a true fan, through and through.... ::)
You act shocked? LOL. Expected from him.
Just doing my job to try and kill a useless thread.
It's so cute how you only respond to my insult. :-*
The first one meant nothing because i know i'm a true fan and i'm disgusted with the team...but at least i know that i am a real fan.
Your comment was a stupid personal attack, which you are great at, so i had to respond.
As if my comments have been as dumb as IGY or TO/WEST IS GOD. That's the first time i've said anything about TO, yet you jump all over it.
Oops, my bad. I thought this was a thread where you are can share, hear each others grief, and consol each other, like a bunch of little girls.
You really should have beated the damn giants today. Now it's going to be a bit tougher for the Cowboys to win the division. Stupid Eagles! Lito Sheppard sucks!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 20, 2005, 11:49:25 AM
The first one meant nothing because i know i'm a true fan and i'm disgusted with the team...but at least i know that i am a real fan.
Your comment was a stupid personal attack, which you are great at, so i had to respond.
As if my comments have been as dumb as IGY or TO/WEST IS GOD. That's the first time i've said anything about TO, yet you jump all over it.
If TO is a go then he's definitely LOKI, the Norse god of mischief and misery.
But that gives me an idea, trade him to the Vikes- they're short an a--hole.
Quote from: 5 Rings on November 21, 2005, 04:23:36 AM
Oops, my bad. I thought this was a thread where you are can share, hear each others grief, and consol each other, like a bunch of little girls.
You really should have beated the damn giants today. Now it's going to be a bit tougher for the Cowboys to win the division. Stupid Eagles! Lito Sheppard sucks!
UR Mom!
OWNED! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
:=)
Quote from: 5 Rings on November 21, 2005, 04:23:36 AM
Oops, my bad. I thought this was a thread where you are can share, hear each others grief, and consol each other, like a bunch of little girls.
You really should have beated the damn giants today. Now it's going to be a bit tougher for the Cowboys to win the division. Stupid Eagles! Lito Sheppard sucks!
fargin dummy
You expect anything else from a Redneck Cowboys fan?
I suppose we'll find out the results of this some time today. Yay.
i heard the decision will be made before noon on wednesday
i heard that too.
and i think i want TO back.
Brookover sez: (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/nfl/13228391.htm)
QuoteArbitrator: Owens decision due Wednesday
BY BOB BROOKOVER
Philadelphia Inquirer
PHILADELPHIA - Arbitrator Richard Bloch informed the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday that his ruling on last week's Terrell Owens' grievance hearing will be issued Wednesday morning.
Bloch listened to nearly 14 hours of testimony from Owens, six Eagles employees, and lawyers from the NFL and the players' union Friday at the Philadelphia Airport Marriott.
He is deciding if the Eagles were justified in their four-game suspension without pay that they hit Owens with Nov. 7 for conduct detrimental to the team. Jeffrey Kessler, the lawyer who argued Owens' case for the NFL Players Association, said the team is unjustified in both the length of its suspension and its decision to ban their star wide receiver from team functions for the final five games of the season.
The union doesn't want Bloch to just reduce Owens' suspension and fines. It also wants the arbitrator to force the Eagles to either let the wide receiver practice with the team at the NovaCare Complex or release him.
If Bloch tells the Eagles they must let Owens participate in team functions, they will either release the receiver or challenge Bloch's ability to make that decision.
I dont see why this guy takes days to decide.
i find it funny that owens wants to participate in team functions now. after he blew off the sutograph tent and carnival...
Bah, he doesn't give a rat's ass about participating in team functions. He wants to get released so he can MAKE ME SUM $$$ this season.
The truth behind the Eagles? (http://www.bangcartoon.com/childsplay.htm)
(sorry if it's a dupe, and sorry for those that hate Bang! cartoons)
Quote from: mhunt on November 22, 2005, 09:40:20 AM
i heard that too.
and i think i want TO back.
Why? There's nothing to play for this year & having him back will only take playing time away from someone who will actually be on the team next year.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 22, 2005, 10:39:04 AM
The truth behind the Eagles? (http://www.bangcartoon.com/childsplay.htm)
(sorry if it's a dupe, and sorry for those that hate Bang! cartoons)
That a good one...should have had Drew Rousenwhat's his name there to pick up poor TO when he was left at the road side ;D
Quote from: MURP on November 22, 2005, 09:44:58 AM
I dont see why this guy takes days to decide.
Two words:
Billable Hours
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 22, 2005, 10:39:04 AM
The truth behind the Eagles? (http://www.bangcartoon.com/childsplay.htm)
(sorry if it's a dupe, and sorry for those that hate Bang! cartoons)
:-D
Reid: Stop calling Donny fat!
TO: Look Don, there's some french fries!
Don: French Fries? Where? I like french fries!
TO: heh heh
Bumphuque - 30 miles
Don't forget to keep us out-of-towners updated on the second by second excitement! :sly
well, it's raining here in philly and traffic is a nightmare
rim shot.
Quote from: hbionic on November 22, 2005, 12:51:22 PM
rim job.
Don't you have other boards you frequent with which you can share the details of your personal life?
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 22, 2005, 12:54:12 PMDon't you have other boards you frequent with which you can share the details of your personal life?
Your mom.
Boards, not broads.
Oh...then no.
from KFFL, take it for what it's worth...
QuoteNEW YORK (Ticker) - Terrell Owens may get his wish after all.
According to a report in Newsday, arbitrator Richard Bloch is expected to reduce Owens' four-game suspension from four games to one or two games later Wednesday.
Owens was suspended four games by Reid for conduct detrimental to the team November 9. The NFL Players Association is seeking to have the suspension reduced and wants the Eagles to cut Owens if they have no intention of playing him again.
The report indicates that the Eagles, who planned to de-activate Owens for the remainder of the season, will release the mercurial superstar receiver instead. Philadelphia is concerned that Owens will cause a distraction if the ruling allows him to return to the Eagles' practice facility.
Owens has stated all along that he wants to return to the Eagles, but would want to be released if Philadelphia didn't plan to play him. If released, Owens would go through the league's waiver system, with the worst team getting the first shot of claiming him.
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Owens is making a base salary of $3.75 million this season.
farg. That.
I actually kind of hope he is released. It will free up a roster spot for the rest of the year, and it will be fun to watch him try to fit in with a new team with hilarious eventual results.
[The Last Boy Scout]{The money} wasn't enough. I think it's gonna be easier just to kill the son of a bitch[/The Last Boy Scout]
well at this point we dont have to worry about some other team beating us with TO for a playoff spot, since we will never wind up getting one. he'll probably go somewhere and be very effective, shut his mouth and play football. But hopefully he doesn't make it to a playoff team, and some crappy team like Houston or the Jets pick him up.
The Birds should put a waiver claim on him, and may end up being the team with the worst record willing to take him. Then, they can suspend him again and run out the clock on this year. It may be even better to release him, have GB pick him up, and then have Dawkins clean his clock this weekend.
Quote from: MDS on November 23, 2005, 10:46:03 AM
well at this point we dont have to worry about some other team beating us with TO for a playoff spot, since we will never wind up getting one. he'll probably go somewhere and be very effective, shut his mouth and play football. But hopefully he doesn't make it to a playoff team, and some crappy team like Houston or the Jets pick him up.
:-D :-D :-D Aren't you a farging pollyanna. This farging guy is way to stupid to shut his mouth. He'll go somewhere, be effective and completely destroy another lockerroom.
Quote from: cj2112 on November 23, 2005, 10:49:49 AM
The Birds should put a waiver claim on him, and may end up being the team with the worst record willing to take him. Then, they can suspend him again and run out the clock on this year.
That comment is retarded and incorrect on so many levels, even if it's an attempt at humor.
not this year he won't, he'll be a perfect angel this year, and maybe even next year, but his true colors will come out, just not this year.
It would set a bad precedent if that's what happens. Don't like your contract? Bitch, moan and destroy a locker room until they're forced into releasing you, so you can go wherever you want...
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 23, 2005, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: cj2112 on November 23, 2005, 10:49:49 AM
The Birds should put a waiver claim on him, and may end up being the team with the worst record willing to take him. Then, they can suspend him again and run out the clock on this year.
That comment is retarded and incorrect on so many levels, even if it's an attempt at humor.
Sorry the attempt at humor tricked you.
It tricked no one. It was simply unfunny.
The part about GB picking him up and Dawkins laying him out was good, though. That would be nice.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 23, 2005, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: MDS on November 23, 2005, 10:46:03 AM
well at this point we dont have to worry about some other team beating us with TO for a playoff spot, since we will never wind up getting one. he'll probably go somewhere and be very effective, shut his mouth and play football. But hopefully he doesn't make it to a playoff team, and some crappy team like Houston or the Jets pick him up.
:-D :-D :-D Aren't you a farging pollyanna. This farging guy is way to stupid to shut his mouth. He'll go somewhere, be effective and completely destroy another lockerroom.
for this year, i think he wont be to cancer if he goes to playoff team. remember, it took a year for him to do it here. i dont think hell go somewhere and do it, well, that is if he goes to a winner. all hell will break loose if he gets to the jets.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 23, 2005, 10:52:56 AM
It would set a bad precedent if that's what happens. Don't like your contract? Bitch, moan and destroy a locker room until they're forced into releasing you, so you can go wherever you want...
Exactly what I just said on another board, BigEd. First up--Chad Johnson next year, who HAS ALREADY STATED he was going to hold out from the Bengals unless they improved his contract.
You know what else I've been wondering? How can the NFL--and we're talking Tags here, allow Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to talk about signing Owens when he's not even available yet? I know the Eagles are going to cut him anyhow, but still--when Jones gave all the interviews last week, Owens was still under contract to the Birds.
Another thing--it was said in the Inky last week that in Owens' contract it states if he ever got suspended for more than one game, they could claim that portion of the bonus that everyone is talking about. If this is knocked down to a 2 game suspension, I wonder if they'd go after it.
farger should be making an announcement soon. He said by noon today, right?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 23, 2005, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: MDS on November 23, 2005, 10:46:03 AM
well at this point we dont have to worry about some other team beating us with TO for a playoff spot, since we will never wind up getting one. he'll probably go somewhere and be very effective, shut his mouth and play football. But hopefully he doesn't make it to a playoff team, and some crappy team like Houston or the Jets pick him up.
:-D :-D :-D Aren't you a farging pollyanna. This farging guy is way to stupid to shut his mouth. He'll go somewhere, be effective and completely destroy another lockerroom.
I disagree. I think he will be a nicer guy than Marvin Harrison (unfounded claims of choking a 7 year old notwithstanding), and will be productive. God help that team next season though if they aren't winning.
Oh, and I also agree that this is a terrible precedent. I'd like to have faith that the arbitrator-Skins-fan guy made this judgement without personal feelings interference, but if the rumored decision is true, I just can't see how he did this without figuring "Screw the Eagles" or "Maybe the Skins will pick him up?"
Well, if he gets picked up on waivers without a renegotiation of his contract, expect it to get ugly quick.
Reid's making the announcement shortly on Eagles Live
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 23, 2005, 11:30:16 AM
Oh, and I also agree that this is a terrible precedent. I'd like to have faith that the arbitrator-Skins-fan guy made this judgement without personal feelings interference, but if the rumored decision is true, I just can't see how he did this without figuring "Screw the Eagles" or "Maybe the Skins will pick him up?"
but there are 2 different issues, the arbitrator is only ruling on the suspension and it's length, if he reduces it to 2 games, all that means is TO will be getting some money back.
either way TO was going to be reinstated after this weekend because this wsa going to be the 4th game of the suspension. the Eagles have said they would deactivate him the rest of the year, but he is still on the roster so he can come to the facilities and be distraction. the Eagles are saying they will release him if he decides to do that. that decision of realeasing him has nothing to do with the arbitrator.
i'll bet right now the Eagles are giving him two choices, 1) you stay home and quiet and we let you keep your signing bonuse 2) you're a distraction, we release you, and go after your signing bonus.
Andy sounds even more out of breath than usual. Hasn't heard anything about a decision from the arbitrator.
Quote from: Beermonkey on November 23, 2005, 11:36:03 AM
Reid's making the announcement shortly on Eagles Live
Correction..Andy said he didn't hear from the arbitrator yet.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 23, 2005, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 23, 2005, 11:30:16 AM
Oh, and I also agree that this is a terrible precedent. I'd like to have faith that the arbitrator-Skins-fan guy made this judgement without personal feelings interference, but if the rumored decision is true, I just can't see how he did this without figuring "Screw the Eagles" or "Maybe the Skins will pick him up?"
but there are 2 different issues, the arbitrator is only ruling on the suspension and it's length, if he reduces it to 2 games, all that means is TO will be getting some money back.
either way TO was going to be reinstated after this weekend because this wsa going to be the 4th game of the suspension. the Eagles have said they would deactivate him the rest of the year, but he is still on the roster so he can come to the facilities and be distraction. the Eagles are saying they will release him if he decides to do that. that decision of realeasing him has nothing to do with the arbitrator.
i'll bet right now the Eagles are giving him two choices, 1) you stay home and quiet and we let you keep your signing bonuse 2) you're a distraction, we release you, and go after your signing bonus.
That's a great point, and one I hadn't thought through.
Either way, I feel it's a bad precedent to allow cry-baby's to serve a minimum sentence....
instead of answering questions, reid should get on the table and do the truffle shuffle for 10 minutes and then leave the room.
Ooooohhhh... McMahon said that Koy was throwing passes around when he should have been helping get the signals in during the first half. Apparently, the radio was out for much of that first half. Could explain why both offenses were much better in the second half, with the problems corrected.
Dave just said that Sal Pal told him he believes T.O. will likely be released and will be claimed by the Miami Dolphins.
Per KFFL:
Bob Glauber, of Newsday, reports an arbitrator is expected to rule Wednesday, Nov. 23, that Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens' suspension will be reduced to one or two games, and that he will immediately be reinstated. A league source familiar with the Eagles' situation said this morning that the team is prepared to release Owens if he decides to return to the team and create a distraction. If reinstated he can return to the team, however, the Eagles have stated they plan to de-activate him for the remainder of the season. If released he is subject to the league's waiver rules.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/11/23/bc.fbp.lgns.eaglesowens.r/index.html
someone asked me this morning where I thought he'd go if released, Miami was my choice. i rule, hard.
so when is the ruling made?
who's terrell owens?
i need to know darwin walker's status
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 23, 2005, 11:21:05 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 23, 2005, 10:52:56 AM
It would set a bad precedent if that's what happens. Don't like your contract? Bitch, moan and destroy a locker room until they're forced into releasing you, so you can go wherever you want...
Exactly what I just said on another board, BigEd...
I posed this question (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17223.msg351331#msg351331) on this board, and this morning I read Phil Sheridan's article (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/13239134.htm) this morning that says just cut him and get on with life. So I called him on it (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/columnists/phil_sheridan/qa_forum.htm?forumId=1739) in his Q&A forum - here is his response:
QuoteQ.
In response to your "cut him" article today - it has bothered me throughout this nonsense that people seem to be missing the real concern of the Eagles right now: John Wellborn, Freddie Mitchell and now Terrell Owens. If you don't like your contract and want to become a free agent, just roll out some "conduct detrimental to the team". It doesn't matter if you have the franchise tag or are 2 years in to a 7 year deal. If the Eagles let TO walk, doesn't it set a dangerous precedent that can seriously undermine the integrity of contracts from this point forward? In the past it wasn't a big deal - the players in question weren't really high profile, and did not do well (financially, or performance wise) after they left - but what about TO? You could add to that list the franchise tag opponents: Douglas, Trotter & Simon. Undermine the CBA and force the Eagles to relinquish their rights by whining to the press and anyone else who will listen?
Jeff, Souderton, PA 11/23/05
A.
I see your point, Jeff, and I think that's a legitimate concern. First, just to be clear, Freddie Mitchell wasn't unhappy with his contract. The Eagles basically gave up on him as a player and he went out saying a bunch of critical things about Donovan McNabb. John Welbourn did get himself traded by waging a brief public campaign. That said, I think it's really rare that you find a player willing to go to the lengths that Owens has gone to in order to be disruptive. In other words, not many players are selfish and obnoxious enough to conduct themselves that way within the structure of an NFL locker room. So I think, at this point, the better safeguard to future episodes is to avoid having guys like Owens on your team in the first place.
Phil Sheridan 11/23/05
holy shtein, you live in Souderton? so do I.
Well, it's hard to disagree with his LAST sentence....
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 23, 2005, 12:18:01 PM
holy shtein, you live in Souderton? so do I.
Excellent. The entire population of Souderton participates on this board :paranoid
I knew one girl from Souderton. She was ugly.
Souderton isn't a real word. Shut up, the lot of you.
I'll tell you one thing: Souderton ain't no Lansdale.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 23, 2005, 12:21:36 PM
I knew one girl from Souderton. She was ugly.
I'd've hit it.
Yeah, you probably would have.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 23, 2005, 12:23:38 PM
I'll tell you one thing: Souderton ain't no Lansdale.
you're right, the Asian population is about 1% of Lansdale.
Back on topic...
With this dragging out as it has (billable hours not withstanding), I'm thinking someone isn't happy with the outcome and is looking to make a deal before the announcement goes public. Early reports are looking like things are going against the Eagles...my guess is that Eagles got the two game suspension, and they are giving him two options:
1) Released, but pay back the signing bonus
2) Suspended with pay, go away, keep the signing bonus.
Pure speculation, of course...
words cannot express what my anger will be if they outright release him and he get the skins in the playoffs
in fact they are pathetic if they release him at all
good cut him and make him go play with sage rosenfels.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 12:48:11 PM
in fact they are pathetic if they release him at all
...even if the arbitrator rules that he must be allowed to practice with the team?
That's what I thought. Shut up.
yep....they already destroyed the season by not cutting him in august when they should have...so if he can wreck the team when they have a chance who cares what he will do now...in fact the more losses the better at this point
they cant get anymore torched by him than they already have been...now its all about revenge
TO could help the team to a 4-12 record and a better draft pick.
FWIW
QuoteGLAUBER ENGAGING IN GUESSWORK?
As the football world waits for arbitrator Richard Bloch to rule on T.O.'s pending grievance, it looks like Bob Glauber of Newsday is engaging in a little educated guesswork in the hopes of being able to later claim, if he guesses right, that he was the first guy to break the news as to Owens' fate.
Glauber reports that the Eagles' suspension of Owens is "expected" to be reduced to "one or two games" and that Owens will be immediately reinstated.
Whether it's "one" or "two" games, however, is a huge difference, with a mere $1.725 million hanging in the balance. Under Owens' contract, he commits a "default" is he is suspended for more than one game for conduct detrimental to the team; if he "defaults" in 2005, he owes $1.725 million.
And if the suspension is reduced by even one game, Owens will be "immediately reinstated," since he already has missed three. So that really isn't "news," is it?
Glauber also says the the team is prepared to release Owens if he returns to the team and tries to create a distraction. But this presumes that Bloch will offer an opinion as to whether the team can deactivate him and for the rest of the year. Technically, that issue isn't yet ripe because the Eagles have yet to formally implement their "we'll pay you to stay away" strategy. If/when they do, Owens is expected to file another grievance, as recently reported by ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.
As we see it, the whole thing soon could become a high-stakes game of chicken. Owens likely is taking the position that he wants to rejoin the team because he knows that, if the team is forced to let him in the building, the team might instead release him. So then, if he clears waivers, he can sign with the Broncos or the Cowboys and get another shot at Super Bowl stardom in 2005, and the big-money contract that might come with it in 2006 (see Dexter Jackson, Desmond Howard, Larry Brown).
The Eagles, then, might very well call T.O.'s bluff, telling him that he can come back and play on the scout team in practice but that he'll never see the field again this year.
Under those circumstances, it's possible that Owens won't go back. But despite Glauber's report, the last thing the Eagles will do if T.O. becomes a distraction is to release him -- instead, they'll just suspend him again and deal with the grievance. The worst-case scenario is that they'd have to pay him for the games he misses. But until the grievance is resolved, the team will be able to keep him at home and, perhaps more importantly, away from the clutches of another team that might view him as the missing piece to its Super Bowl fortunes in 2005.
Just farging release him and forget about him.
This situation is awesome.
put him on special teams, that will teach him!
Quote from: T_Section224 on November 23, 2005, 01:00:03 PM
put him on special teams, that will teach him!
Yeah, like we really need worse production on special teams...
farg that. He needs a enema from a large, solid, inanimate object, preferably rupturing his colon. Then we can release him into the sewer system.
Shoot him.
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1a1-tank-iny.jpg)
i don't care where he goes....or how he goes i am sick of this
what happened to just burning him?
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 23, 2005, 12:56:21 PM
TO could help the team to a 4-12 record and a better draft pick.
High draft picks have nothing to do with talent in the pro's. You are no more likely to wind up with a better player if you draft 5th than 25th. It just costs more salary cap.
That's fine and all, but we've done reasonably well in the draft, it will be nice for a change to have more options to choose from.
Sure...guys like Reggie Bush will go #15 in the draft.
btw an arbitrator cannot tell a team to allow a guy to practice with them...theres absolutely no reason they cant keyshawn him as long as they pay him
thats all they have to do...this the eagles are gonna release him garbage is just that...its a way for the media to add a new twist
i would be absolutely shocked if they released him
High draft picks have nothing to do with talent in the pro's. You are no more likely to wind up with a better player if you draft 5th than 25th. It just costs more salary cap.
i think there are 32 gms in the league that would disagree with you...if nothing else it allows you more options to trade down and get as you say just as good a player..plus you get can get extra picks...imagine a team giving you picks to take a better player???...amazing isnt it
Spadaro just said that Trent Cole is unlikely to relinquish the starting role... ever.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 23, 2005, 01:24:39 PM
Spadaro just said that Trent Cole is unlikely to relinquish the starting role... ever.
Dude, you're gonna make him blow a fuse.
I do what I can.
UPDATE
Grievance DENIED
The Eagles finally win in November!
cole...mmmmmmmm
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 23, 2005, 01:28:38 PM
UPDATE
Grievance DENIED
The Eagles finally win in November!
I just pooped a little.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 23, 2005, 01:28:38 PM
UPDATE
Grievance DENIED
The Eagles finally win in November!
Ed, are you getting this from WIP, or a
real source?
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 23, 2005, 01:28:38 PM
UPDATE
Grievance DENIED
The Eagles finally win in November!
Cute, but I call bullshtein.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 23, 2005, 01:28:38 PM
UPDATE
Grievance DENIED
The Eagles finally win in November!
Stop playin'!
burp (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=40179)
farg you T.O.!! (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/index)
Damn you Ed! Fast farger! (http://theruse.net/wp-gal/lostfiles/middle_finger.jpg) ;D
Word.
Farging Newsday Morons!!
Owner Jeff Lurie quoted as saying "Yet another win for the gold standard in the NFL"
"Yet another win for the gold standard in the NFL"
lololol
that quote is the nfl equivalent of bush on the aircraft carrier
farg you TO.
Joe Banner is my hero.
Sweet!
Now go away, far, far away.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 23, 2005, 12:57:08 PM
QuoteGLAUBER ENGAGING IN GUESSWORK?
... it looks like Bob Glauber of Newsday is engaging in a little educated guesswork in the hopes of being able to later claim, if he guesses right, that he was the first guy to break the news as to Owens' fate.
Guessed wrong, eh bitch? farger should lose his job.
so what happens after the Green Bay game....
to celebrate...
(http://www.cfox.com/shared/corus_content/cfoxfm/images/general_content/jessica-alba-0105-003.jpg)
If that's the only criteria, all weathermen should lose their's too....
Quote from: MURP on November 23, 2005, 01:56:28 PM
so what happens after the Green Bay game....
After his suspension, TO will be deactivated for the rest of the season.
Perfect:
""The finding is that the club has shouldered its burden of proof of clear and convincing evidence of player misconduct in that the four-week suspension was for just cause," Bloch wrote in his decision. "Additionally, there was no inherent violation of the labor agreement in the club's decision to pay Owens but not practice or play him due to the nature of the player's conduct and its destructive and continuing threat to the team."
Quote from: MURP on November 23, 2005, 01:56:28 PM
so what happens after the Green Bay game....
he takes a roster spot back.
but is on the keyshawn list. basically they'll slice off another scrub. (which they kinda did with jose cuervo
Quote from: MURP on November 23, 2005, 01:56:28 PM
so what happens after the Green Bay game....
They'll go ahead and Keyshawn him. He'll probably file another grievnace, but tough shtein. All they have to do is drag this out for another few weeks.
I'm starting to like the idea of cutting him just before the season is over and letting some zesty team pick him up on waivers.
Farg you, TO!! Ha!
Quote
Arbitrator Richard Bloch wrote in a 38-page decision that the Eagles clearly proved that the suspension was justified, and were within their right to pay their All-Pro receiver but not allow him to return "due to the nature of his conduct and its destructive and continuing threat to the team."
"We couldn't have written it any better ourselves," an Eagles official told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.
Banner, Reid, and Lurie all rule. Rule, I say.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 23, 2005, 02:22:43 PM
Quote
Arbitrator Richard Bloch wrote in a 38-page decision that the Eagles clearly proved that the suspension was justified, and were within their right to pay their All-Pro receiver but not allow him to return "due to the nature of his conduct and its destructive and continuing threat to the team."
"We couldn't have written it any better ourselves," an Eagles official told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.
Banner, Reid, and Lurie all rule. Rule, I say.
38 pages?! holy cow...someone HAS to publish that
Quote from: Wingspan on November 23, 2005, 02:37:25 PM38 pages?! holy cow...someone HAS to publish that
Isn't it public?
Congratulations all. I kind of figured it would turn out like this. I guarantee you that the front office was planning for something like this almost since he started running his mouth after the SB. They probably documented every detail of every incident, giving them indisputable evidence of his misconduct, public and private. It worked out pretty well coming to a head after the trade deadline so he couldn't start demanding to be traded as well.
Forget chemo and radiation, go in and cut that sucker out. You might have a healing process and some therapy, but you'll be back on your feet again before you know it.
Kind words EJ...kind words. I wish I could wish you good luck...but you know.
What he means is "Thanks, but we'd still like your team to meet a firey end in a large lake of napalm."
...in not so many words.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 23, 2005, 02:22:43 PM
Quote
Arbitrator Richard Bloch wrote in a 38-page decision that the Eagles clearly proved that the suspension was justified, and were within their right to pay their All-Pro receiver but not allow him to return "due to the nature of his conduct and its destructive and continuing threat to the team."
"We couldn't have written it any better ourselves," an Eagles official told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.
Banner, Reid, and Lurie all rule. Rule, I say.
The media kept saying that this point would not be decided, and that there would be another grievance once TO's Keyshawning began. This is huge.
I heard the NFL VP of General Council on Sirius NFL Radio say that the Eagles showed a pattern of behavior dating back to last April, when he stated that he wanted a new contract.
They got it right - this wasn't about dissing McNabb or calling the team classless - this was about a contract, and the Eagles said "farg you TO"
Banner is a god.
Not at all, Hbionic.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 23, 2005, 02:50:01 PM
What he means is "Thanks, but we'd still like your team to meet a firey end in a large lake of napalm."
Nah. What would football be without rivalries? I may not be into the trashtalking, but there's no doubt that watching a game against a division rival takes the enjoyment and adrenaline to a different level. It's even better when all teams involved are competitive.
38 page decision. ha. Guess that explains why it took so damn long.
at least the arbitrator had sense to rule this way. Now anyone as loopy as Keyshawn or JO will know that they cant just rely on the union to get them out of their own mess.
So how long until TO blows his top and is in the news with something idiotic again? 3 hours?
5:45 just in time for SportsCenter :P
The NFLPA is whining like sissybishes:
QuoteThe players' association responded by saying it intended to dismiss Bloch, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported.
"One thing I can control is that he will no longer be an arbitrator in any more of our cases," NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw told Mortonson. "Under the CBA, either side has a right between Dec. 1 and Dec. 10 to dismiss an arbitrator and we are going to dismiss this one."
Quote"We are obviously very disappointed with Arbitrator Bloch's decision," players' union general counsel Richard Berthelsen said in a statement. "His ruling ... ignores the obligation a club has to either provide employment to a player or allow him to play somewhere else. We are confident that we put in a winning case at the hearing last Friday, and we still believe Terrell Owens had a right to a legitimate reinstatement."
P.S. Your vote counts! (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=1878)
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 23, 2005, 04:21:49 PM
The NFLPA is whining like sissybishes:
QuoteThe players' association responded by saying it intended to dismiss Bloch, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported.
"One thing I can control is that he will no longer be an arbitrator in any more of our cases," NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw told Mortonson. "Under the CBA, either side has a right between Dec. 1 and Dec. 10 to dismiss an arbitrator and we are going to dismiss this one."
Quote"We are obviously very disappointed with Arbitrator Bloch's decision," players' union general counsel Richard Berthelsen said in a statement. "His ruling ... ignores the obligation a club has to either provide employment to a player or allow him to play somewhere else. We are confident that we put in a winning case at the hearing last Friday, and we still believe Terrell Owens had a right to a legitimate reinstatement."
Strange--I didn't hear them whining when he found in Chad Morton's favor last year. What this does is fire a shot across the bow of every single player who wants to try to strong arm a team into re-negotiating their contract, and taking it through the media in the way Owens did. I'll enjoy watching PTI, ATH, and on Sunday, Countdown, especially Michael Irvin. Maybe Owens can get Michael to loan him the balance of the money the Eagles will want back. If they choose to go after the 1.75M in bonus money, they don't have to pay him another cent this year--they can withhold that money as payment toward the 1.75M.
Of course the NFLPA want to dismiss him--but I think they'll have a hard time doing so. I wonder what Berthelsen and Jeffery Kessler are thinking now. They're the ones that shot their mouths off on Friday night, confidnet it was going to be a slam dunk.
I just want the Eagles to do the right thing and not say another word about it.
farg YOU TO!! :-D
U GT WHT U DSRVD BTCH!! :P
TO I mean ESPN radio has been shredding him to bits :-D Sal Pal called in from the Eagles locker room and said it looked like the players were really relieved that they can put this nonsense behind him. At one point you could hear Hollis in the background cheering :-D Sheldon Brown's supposed to be on soon. :yay
interesting ESPN poll there.
If the Eagles make him a free agent, can they franchise him? Cuz that'd be one more way to say Farg You TO!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 23, 2005, 05:36:14 PM
If the Eagles make him a free agent, can they franchise him? Cuz that'd be one more way to say Farg You TO!
No, they can't. That's obviously a stupid idea on many levels anyway, but they can't.
FastFreddie sure is having a field day with pointing out people's stupid ideas. Fish in a barrel.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 23, 2005, 05:47:24 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 23, 2005, 05:36:14 PM
If the Eagles make him a free agent, can they franchise him? Cuz that'd be one more way to say Farg You TO!
No, they can't. That's obviously a stupid idea on many levels anyway, but they can't.
Cuz he's cool and we're not. And it's not stupid...cuz i say so. Eat it!
I just read the arbiter's opinion on PFT.com. It's very long, so here are the highlights:
Some of the stuff that came out is unbelievable:
1. The night before training camp, Reid had a phone discussion with Owens, where Owens threatened to be disruptive incamp.
2. They must have transcribed ALL of the ESPN interviews, because they have them word for word in the opinion.
3. Owens, in the arbitration hearing MADE IT CLEAR he was disruptve because of his contract situation. If you read the arbitrator's words, you can almost hear him saying that Owens was daring him to uphold the suspension in that he didn't deny anything he said or what the percieved problem was.
4. The union, in its defense, tried to bringup other instances of players being fined for "Conduct Detrimental". But the arbitrator notes that noo one had gone on to national tv to actually say that's wht he was going to do.
5. Reid just didn't send 1 letter, there were THREE letters sent to Owens, warning him his behavior was unacceptable and he was close to being suspended.
6. The Eagles, in the 1st letter sent by Reid, INFORMED OWENS THEY WOULD BE SEEKING REPAYMENT OF 1.75M IN BONUS MONEY because of his refusal to show up to post draft minicamp.
7.. The union tried to argue that there was no "progressive disciplinary steps". But the arbitrator clearly states that the letters Reid sent, plus his verbal warnings met the progressive disciplne test.
8. Reid urged Owens to get privately with McNabb and get things sorted out--he refused.
9. The half-hearted apology he read where he tore off the apology to McNabb. Reid testified, under oath, that he told Owens, HE DID NOT HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO HIM IN PUBLIC OR IN FRONT OF THE TEAM. Owens told Reid AND the arbitrator he couldn't do that.
In short, either Owens didn't tell the union reps everything, or the union vastly underestimated Reid's steps to get this corrected. I think I'd believe the former.
What's the link to the full ruling?
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 23, 2005, 06:06:39 PM
What's the link to the full ruling?
http://www.profootballtalk.com
Take some NO-DOZE.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 23, 2005, 05:10:11 PM
farg YOU TO!! :-D
U GT WHT U DSRVD BTCH!! :P
TO I mean ESPN radio has been shredding him to bits :-D Sal Pal called in from the Eagles locker room and said it looked like the players were really relieved that they can put this nonsense behind him. At one point you could hear Hollis in the background cheering :-D Sheldon Brown's supposed to be on soon. :yay
SUPERBOWL BABY!! :paranoid ;D
Thanks for the link, Bobby. This is some good stuff to read. Maybe the jagoffs at WIP should ge a hold of this before they start ripping on the team again.
As for the TO decision....meh.
farg TO. This is almost as satisfying as hearing the the team had suspended him. farg him. I hope he rots.
This decision is great. I wish someone would flog the Newsday "reporter".
Gee, and people wonder why I never believe shtein like that?
To those who get all bent when I doubt "sources"....bite me.
NFLPA wants to have Bloch dismissed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2235051) :-D :-D
(Updated story from before)
WAHHHHH WAHHHHH.
STFU.
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nfl/2005/1123/photo/g_to_372.jpg)
Wow... does this photo pretty well sum up his entire 2005 season?
What a farging waste.
:boom
They've been using that pic on ESPN since day one of this disaster.
Some highlights:
QuoteRosenhaus and Owens were unequivocal in letting the team know that Owens' happiness was tied toward renegotiating the contract. Coach Andy Reid testified as to their communications to him:
[Drew and Terrell said]... that things weren't going to be pretty if he did come to camp. Somewhere in there, you know, T.O. mentioned that he knew how I was wired and the discipline that I asked of the Players, and that I wouldn't be happy with what I saw.
Andy on the training camp autograph thing:
Quote"I went up to him and he was in a corner area where there weren't any people around. ... I didn't want to put him on the spot in front of anybody. I don't do that. That's not my style. I said hey, listen, I don't know if you've heard what I said, but you've got autographs today, it's Receiver's day up. And he said I'm not going to do it."
Andy, via letter to TO, about TO lying about the medical waiver:
QuoteLying about signing a non-existent waiver is certainly not constructive in terms of our relationship, and does not further anyone's goals. Especially since the reality is that we bent over backwards to make you aware that we were more than willing to share the risk with you.
A long read, but it has some telling things in it.
Just goes to show how frequently I visit ESPN.com.
Thanks for the link - this is some great shtein!
Quote
The Association argues that, to the extent the Coach wished to keep the Player from the fields or the locker room, he should have released him. It is a mark of the highly unusual nature of this case that this should be regarded not only as not disciplinary, but as the desired goal of the Player and his representatives. More to the point, while releasing the Player is an available option, it is not a mandatory one.
:-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 23, 2005, 04:21:49 PM
The NFLPA is whining like sissybishes:
QuoteThe players' association responded by saying it intended to dismiss Bloch, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported.
"One thing I can control is that he will no longer be an arbitrator in any more of our cases," NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw told Mortonson. "Under the CBA, either side has a right between Dec. 1 and Dec. 10 to dismiss an arbitrator and we are going to dismiss this one."
Quote"We are obviously very disappointed with Arbitrator Bloch's decision," players' union general counsel Richard Berthelsen said in a statement. "His ruling ... ignores the obligation a club has to either provide employment to a player or allow him to play somewhere else. We are confident that we put in a winning case at the hearing last Friday, and we still believe Terrell Owens had a right to a legitimate reinstatement."
P.S. Your vote counts! (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=1878)
Quote1) Do you agree with the arbitrator's decision to uphold Terrell Owens' suspension?
86.1% Yes
13.9% No
2) Will Owens ever play another game for the Eagles?
97.7% No
2.3% Yes
3) When will Owens play his next game in the NFL?
92.1% Next season
4.8% This season
3.1% Never
4) What do you think the Eagles should do with Owens at the conclusion of his suspension?
58.3% Deactivate him for the remainder of the season
34.5% Release him and move on
3.8% Deactivate him but leave open the possibility of return if he behaves
3.4% Accept his apology and activate him following the suspension
5) If the Eagles released Owens, which team with a top waiver claim would be the best fit for him?
42.4% None of these teams
16.0% Green Bay Packers
9.2% Miami Dolphins
6.8% Houston Texans
6.7% Baltimore Ravens
5.0% New York Jets
4.2% New Orleans Saints
4.1% Arizona Cardinals
3.0% Tennessee Titans
2.6% San Francisco 49ers
6) Would Owens be worth the risk to a contending team in need of more offense?
52.1% No
47.9% Yes
7) Do you think Owens would still be an active member of the Eagles if Donovan McNabb had been healthy this season?
78.9% No
21.1% Yes
8) What has been the biggest cause of Philadelphia's lack of success this season?
36.1% Injury that limited and eventually sidelined McNabb
33.2% Distractions and chemistry issues caused by Owens
15.7% Andy Reid's unwillingness to run the ball
14.9% Defense not playing up to potential/reputation
9) Who deserves the most blame for the way the Terrell Owens saga unfolded in Philadelphia?
77.9% Owens
17.6% They deserve equal blame
4.6% Eagles
10) Is this season a bump in the road for the Eagles or the beginning of the end for their run of success?
51.9% Beginning of the end
48.1% Bump in the road
Total Votes: 52,751
Oh, My... (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/images/fanzone/wallpaper/SB3-1024.jpg)
:'(
Phreak, I already posted the article about them wanting Bloch gone....like 5 posts before yours. LOL
I was just quoting FF's post and adding the poll results. I hadn't seen your post because I was still on the other page from reading the arbitration text. I just voted in the poll and then posted the results. ;)
It's an interesting read just for the Reid letters....
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 23, 2005, 07:48:02 PM
Andy, via letter to TO, about TO lying about the medical waiver:
QuoteLying about signing a non-existent waiver is certainly not constructive in terms of our relationship, and does not further anyone's goals. Especially since the reality is that we bent over backwards to make you aware that we were more than willing to share the risk with you.
What a farging psycho. I mean, are you kidding me with this shtein? I hope every owner and GM is forced to read every word of this. Whackjob.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 23, 2005, 07:39:02 PM
NFLPA wants to have Bloch dismissed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2235051) :-D :-D
(Updated story from before)
WAHHHHH WAHHHHH.
STFU.
Maybe Bloch will file a wrongful termination suit against the NFLPA. That would be a nice touch. ;)
Andy's first letter to moron:
QuoteDear Terrell:
In light of the numerous recent conversations you and I have had, I thought it was important to communicate with you in writing. I have been intending to do this for quite some time, and after the angry and threatening statements you made in our telephone conversation last night, it became clearer that this correspondence was necessary.
In our recent conversations, you have repeatedly threatened to do things and act in a manner that would be destructive to both the Philadelphia Eagles and to your own career. These are things that are not only inappropriate, but are in conflict with both the promises you have made to me and the obligations under the contract you have signed with the Eagles. You have repeatedly threatened to disrupt our team and to do whatever it takes to force us to cut or trade you, including breaching many provisions of your contract., Last night you specifically told me that you had no intention of coming into training camp and trying your best while you feel you are being underpaid. Although this was the most extreme comment, it is one of many such comments you have made to me and others within the organization. This letter is meant to inform you that if, in fact, upon arrival at training camp you carry out any of these threats, the team intends to use all available fines, and contractual remedies to deal with this behavior. Your stance is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.
As we have discussed previously, you breached your contract by refusing to report to the clubs mandatory mini-camp. Your refusal to report is a default under the Signing Bonus addendum in your contract. In accordance with the terms of the Signing Bonus addendum of your contract, the club hereby demands repayment of $1,725,000 (i.e., the portion of your Signing Bonus that you are required to repay to the club as a result of your breach) by August 12, 2005. Should you fail to repay that total amount by August 12, 2005, we will begin deducting the above amount in equal installments from your game checks, and any other compensation owed to you by the club, or we will initiate a non-injury grievance for repayment of money owed to the club due to your breach.
Please be advised that any additional breaches of your contract and/or violations of club rules will result in the club imposing fines against you in accordance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement and club rules. Repeated violations of club rules will result in escalation of the discipline imposed by the club and increasing fine amounts, up to and including you being fined and/or suspended for Conduct Detrimental to the club.
Sincerely,
Andy Reid
Executive VP Football Operations/Head Coach
cc: Drew Rosenhaus
2nd letter
QuoteDear Terrell:
I write to tell you that we are sending you home, effective immediately, based on your recent conduct at training camp. Your behavior has been unacceptable since you reported to camp. Let me give you a few examples of what I mean.
As you are well aware, your NFL Player Contract requires you to, among other things, give your best efforts and loyalty to the Club. You have failed on two occasions to report to mandatory autograph sessions, per your contract. At least twice, you have been insubordinate to our offensive coordinator. In addition, you have talked back to me and been insubordinate. This disruptive behavior can not be tolerated. In spite of your behavior that violates the terms of your contract, no further action is being taken by the club at this time, but in no way does the club condone your actions. We will reserve the right to take further action based on your recent behavior.
You will be required to report to the NovaCare Facility on Wednesday August 17, 2005 at 7:30 am to meet with Rick Burkholder. If you do not report on August 17, 2005 at 7:30 am, you will be in violation of the terms of your contract. In the interim, you will be required to have twice daily treatment sessions with Dr. Mike Hatrak. You must contact Dr. Hatrak at 770-740-9200 or 770-598-0913 to arrange for your treatment sessions. Our club physician will direct Dr, Hatrak on your treatment protocol. We will be monitoring those treatment sessions and follow up with Dr. Hatrak to ensure that you are in compliance with our club physician's directives.
We expect you to return to the Eagles on August 17, 2005 with a renewed attitude and focus. That includes abiding by all terms of your contract, being respectful to your teammates and coaches and playing within a structure that will lead us all to have success.
Sincerely,
Andy Reid
Executive VP Football Operations/Head Coach
cc: NFLPA
NFL Management Council
3rd letter:
QuoteDear Terrell:
When I sent you home on August 10, it was my hope that you could cool off and return with a renewed attitude and focus. I attempted, in a non-provocative way, to give you a chance to start from scratch. Since that time, you have made a spectacle of this situation, continued to criticize teammate and coaches, and made false statements to the media. I am trying hard to work with you and give you the benefit of the doubt; you are making that almost impossible.
In my initial letter dated July 26, 2005 I notified you that your threats to me during a telephone conversation that "when (you) report to training camp you plan to be disruptive and act in a deviant manner" was an unacceptable stance and would be dealt with accordingly. By your own admission, last night in front of a national television audience, you have ignored me and others and been insubordinate to me and confirmed that you told our offensive coordinator "only speak to me when I speak to you." You also said that you "don't think so: when asked if you can succeed with our QB. Most concerning is your statement that you will not change your behavior when you report back to camp on August 17, 2005. Clearly you have followed through with your threat from our phone conversation and your actions have been totally inappropriate and detrimental to the team. I am now putting you on notice a third time, that this is a violation of Club rules which allows the Club to impose fines against you in accordance with Article VIII of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement and the Club's 2005 Maximum Discipline Schedule. Continuing violations of Club rules will constitute Conduct Detrimental to the Club, which will subject you to a fine of an amount equal to one week's salary and/or suspension for a period not to exceed four weeks. You cannot expect me to continue to warn you and not take significant action if this continues.
In addition, we put you on notice on at least two previous occasions, specifically on July 26, 2005 and August 10, 2005, that paragraph 2 of your NFL Player contract states: "(Player) agrees to give his best effort and loyalty to the Club, and to conduct himself on and off the field with appropriate recognition of the fact that the success of professional football depends largely on public respect for and approval of those associated with the game." Failing to appear at two mandatory autograph signing sessions, is a violation of paragraph 2 and a clear breach of your contract. Your actions will not be tolerated any longer and we will deal with any further violation by using all and any avenue available to us.
Lying about signing a non-existent waiver is certainly not constructive in terms of our relationship, and does not further anyone's goals. Especially since the reality is that we bent over backwards to make you aware that we were more than willing to share the risk with you.
We also want to make you aware of at least three instances in which you violated team rules. On August 4, 2005, you did not bring your playbook to a team meeting. At a separate meeting, you also refused to open your playbook. On August 5, 2005 you slept through a team meeting. This resulting in the coaching staff having to correct you during practice to make sure you where in the proper position. Finally, on August 5, 2005 you were late to a mandatory treatment session with our trainers. Although collectively these are violations of the team rules, we are not going to fine you for these violations at this time, but you are on notice that further violations of squad rules may result in doubling and tripling of fine amounts for repeat violations, and continued violations thereafter may result in fines and/or suspension for Conduct Detrimental to the Club.
We expect you to treat our coaches and your teammates with respect and to communicate with the people who attempt to communicate with you. In addition, if there is any mandatory team activity you are required to appear on time, participate in it and behave professionally. If you do not comply with the directives I have outlined above, you will be in violation of the terms of your contract and/or subject to fines and/or suspension.
Let me stress again, that we are putting you on notice for the third time that your actions are inappropriate. If you continue to act this way we will deem this to be conduct detrimental to the club which will subject you to a fine of an amount equal to one week's salary and/or suspension for a period not to exceed four weeks. It is my hope that contrary to your public and privately stated positions, your behavior will change when you return. I have been very clear in what we deem to be appropriate and inappropriate behavior on at least three occasions now, and I advise you to take my words to heart.
Sincerely,
Andy Reid
Executive VP Football Operations/Head Coach
cc: NFLPA
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 23, 2005, 07:39:02 PM
NFLPA wants to have Bloch dismissed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2235051) :-D :-D
(Updated story from before)
WAHHHHH WAHHHHH.
STFU.
Upshaw and the NFLPA were obviously upset with the outcome, but what REALLY got them steamed was that Bloch added shtein to the CBA to support the Eagles :-D
Amazing that Bloch has such a great reputation and ruled overwhelmingly in the Eagles favor:
QuoteBloch has been an arbitrator in sports-related cases for more than two decades and has presided over grievances in general for 30 years. Last week, before the Owens hearing, attorney Jeffrey Kessler, who was co-counsel for the wide receiver, seemed confident that Bloch would rule in favor of his client.
Wow. This stuff is very eye-opening.
The Eagles did well to keep everything documented, and it would appear Owens truly never had any chance in this arbitration whatsoever. I hope the NFL rejects the NFLPA's attempted ousting of Richard Bloch, too.
Now we all know where the phrase anal retentive comes from. People that take an incredible amount of notes are looking to farg your ass up.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 23, 2005, 09:25:19 PM
I hope the NFL rejects the NFLPA's attempted ousting of Richard Bloch, too.
[Heard this on ESPN radio] but under the CBA the NFLPA supposedly has the right to do what they please as far as arbitrators go. So he's as good as gone.
Just finished reading the entire transcript and my conclusion is that TO is nuttier than a shteinhouse rat.
Players reaction (http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=86eafafe-cd1c-4996-9fe8-7909413cc997&f=copy)
Hollis! :-D
QuoteYou must contact Dr. Hatrak at 770-740-9200 or 770-598-0913 to arrange for your treatment sessions. Our club physician will direct Dr, Hatrak on your treatment protocol.
I just called the Doc. He wasn't pleased. But just like in Blitz: The League, that didn't stop him from giving me a 'script for dilaudid, so I'm satisfied.
LMFAO @ Dio...
I luv me sum Hollis.
Dude rules for what he said. :-D
Also, I wonder: where is Jesse farging Jackson now? Is he going to March on Philadelphia? Bring his million rainbow warriors and speechify?? Idiot.
Les Bowen is a creepy locker room stalker. Can't blame him though, I luv me sum Hollis too.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 23, 2005, 09:59:00 PM
Also, I wonder: where is Jesse farging Jackson now? Is he going to March on Philadelphia? Bring his million rainbow warriors and speechify?? Idiot.
That school in Hawaii doesn't have anywhere near that many students. Does it? :paranoid.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 23, 2005, 09:59:00 PM
Also, I wonder: where is Jesse farging Jackson now? Is he going to March on Philadelphia? Bring his million rainbow warriors and speechify?? Idiot.
Where oh where is Ralph Nader?
GF...I was thinking the same thing about Bowen. Notice he's the Eagles beat writer and wasn't even paying attention. He'll probably quote Akers wrong. LOL....or steal quotes from another person's article. ;)
This is delicious:
QuoteOwens' relationship with McNabb had not improved, and Owens was continuing to defy the Coach and the team by, for example, repeatedly violating the dress code and parking in coaches' spaces and in handicapped spots
As I recall, he parked his Range Rover in a 10 minute spot for the grievance hearing. What an unmitigated meatcicle.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 23, 2005, 10:00:59 PM
Notice he's the Eagles beat writer
I did not know that. I haven't picked up the sports section of a newspaper in years.
How could you, you haven't picked up a newspaper in years.
Sure I have, but I go right for the comics every day. I love Garfield. It's always so clever.
From PFT:
(http://www.profootballtalk.com/ReidTurkey.jpg)
Quote"His given name is 'Tom,' but we've decided to change it to 'T.O.'"
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One thing I get from reading this is a different opinion of McNabb. I still wish he would have taken a microphone and said "This is my team. You're here at my pleasure. Get in line or leave."
But I'm also impressed that he was able to keep himself out of the fray. It might be a kind of cowardice in him, but it was certainly a remarkable version of it to abstain from this soap opera as well as he did.
You just can't script the petulant crap Owens was doing. No one would believe it.
"Playmakers."
That's immediately what I thought of when I read the entire text. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction in this instance.
Simply unfargingreal.
LOL
QuoteQ. Is there anything Owens can take away from the decision that will cheer him up for Thanksgiving?
A. Yes. Buried away in a footnote is Bloch's finding that Owens' fight with Eagles "ambassador" Hugh Douglas "clearly was not Owens' fault." Other than that, Owens will have to rely on turkey to cheer him up.
Read some of these asinine people (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/andrew_perloff/11/23/to.decision/index.html)
Especially Dee and Sridhar. :-D
Glad the arbitration was posted for all to view. I think my favorite part was when Reid straight up told Owens he was lying about the super bowl injury waiver.
I must have missed this..will the Eagles go after that portion of the signing bonus? Can they still do that?
Quote from: Diomedes on November 23, 2005, 10:20:35 PM
I must have missed this..will the Eagles go after that portion of the signing bonus? Can they still do that?
Yes and yes.
Sweet.
Games won by a less than a touchdown:
23-20 win over Oakland 1 TD (20-16 loss)*
37-31 win over Kansas City 1 TD (31-30 loss)*
20-17 win over San Diego 1 TD (17-13 loss)*
*without TO
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on November 23, 2005, 10:27:18 PM
Games won by a less than a touchdown:
23-20 win over Oakland 1 TD (20-16 loss)*
37-31 win over Kansas City 1 TD (31-30 loss)*
20-17 win over San Diego 1 TD (17-13 loss)*
*without TO
is that supposed to mean anything important? You can take players stats away from any team in the NFL and change the outcome of a game.
I was just going to ask the significance of that post too. wtf?
Quote from: MURP on November 23, 2005, 10:34:28 PM
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on November 23, 2005, 10:27:18 PM
Games won by a less than a touchdown:
23-20 win over Oakland 1 TD (20-16 loss)*
37-31 win over Kansas City 1 TD (31-30 loss)*
20-17 win over San Diego 1 TD (17-13 loss)*
*without TO
is that supposed to mean anything important? You can take players stats away from any team in the NFL and change the outcome of a game.
But still......I guess I kind of worded it wrong. xD
can we just please end this nonsense?
NEVER!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 23, 2005, 10:16:58 PM
Read some of these asinine people (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/andrew_perloff/11/23/to.decision/index.html)
Especially Dee and Sridhar. :-D
Quote
They may lose in the short run, this year, but that was going to happen anyway with McNabb's nagging injury. The Eagles have won in the past without Owens and they'll win in the future. Eagles fans just don't want him back, period. Whether it's the difference between them making the playoffs and missing the playoffs, whether it's the difference between them beating the Giants and not beating the Giants. Part of caring about a team is is having respect for its players and its personality and frankly, to me, that's way more important than winning and losing for a single season.
-- Chris Newcomb , New York (3:37 p.m.)
Who is this intelligent, thoughtful, and germane person masquarading as a Giant's fan??
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 23, 2005, 09:49:05 PM
Players reaction (http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=86eafafe-cd1c-4996-9fe8-7909413cc997&f=copy)
Hollis! :-D
Awesome. Hollis rules. Les Bowen luvs him sum David Akers backside, too.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 23, 2005, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on November 23, 2005, 10:20:35 PM
I must have missed this..will the Eagles go after that portion of the signing bonus? Can they still do that?
Yes and yes.
Actually, they already demanded re-payment of the prorated portion of the bonus ($1.75 million or so) after he missed the mandatory mini-camp. They've been deducting a set amount (about $109,375) from each game check to recoup that over the season, reducing his game checks from $203,125 for each game to more like $93,750.
I guess they'll have to raise the deduction amount for the final 5 games after not having to pay him at all for 4 games. He has now "paid back" about $765,625 of the $1.75m, meaning he still has $984,375 to pay back. That means his game checks for the final 5 games of the season will be a measly $6,250 each.
This could also help explain why they won't even consider cutting him. It effectively costs them $31,250 to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season, because were they to cut him and try to get back the $984,375 through other means, it would probably require more legal proceedings and such.
All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall. $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season. Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill. But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.
Word.
QuoteOwens will lose $764,705 in base salary. That represents four-seventeenths of his scheduled base salary of $3.25 million for the 2005 season. Philadelphia also will attempt to recover $1.725 million in signing-bonus money paid to Owens last spring as part of his seven-year contract. The team can do so because it wisely wrote into his deal a provision that permits such recovery if Owens was suspended for more than one game. It's believed the team can withhold game checks, of $191,176 each, toward the repayment of the part of the signing bonus it is seeking.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 24, 2005, 08:15:01 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 23, 2005, 09:49:05 PM
Players reaction (http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=86eafafe-cd1c-4996-9fe8-7909413cc997&f=copy)
Hollis! :-D
Awesome. Hollis rules. Les Bowen luvs him sum David Akers backside, too.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 23, 2005, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on November 23, 2005, 10:20:35 PM
I must have missed this..will the Eagles go after that portion of the signing bonus? Can they still do that?
Yes and yes.
Actually, they already demanded re-payment of the prorated portion of the bonus ($1.75 million or so) after he missed the mandatory mini-camp. They've been deducting a set amount (about $109,375) from each game check to recoup that over the season, reducing his game checks from $203,125 for each game to more like $93,750.
I guess they'll have to raise the deduction amount for the final 5 games after not having to pay him at all for 4 games. He has now "paid back" about $765,625 of the $1.75m, meaning he still has $984,375 to pay back. That means his game checks for the final 5 games of the season will be a measly $6,250 each.
This could also help explain why they won't even consider cutting him. It effectively costs them $31,250 to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season, because were they to cut him and try to get back the $984,375 through other means, it would probably require more legal proceedings and such.
All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall. $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season. Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill. But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.
Word.
I'm reminded of something Donovan said when Owens threatned to hold out of training camp: "It makes no sense if you're trying to get more money to cause actions which would make you lose money." Or words to that effect.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 24, 2005, 08:15:01 AM
All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall. $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season. Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill. But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.
:bow AR, Banner, Lurie :bow
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 24, 2005, 08:15:01 AM
Actually, they already demanded re-payment of the prorated portion of the bonus ($1.75 million or so) after he missed the mandatory mini-camp. They've been deducting a set amount (about $109,375) from each game check to recoup that over the season, reducing his game checks from $203,125 for each game to more like $93,750.
I guess they'll have to raise the deduction amount for the final 5 games after not having to pay him at all for 4 games. He has now "paid back" about $765,625 of the $1.75m, meaning he still has $984,375 to pay back. That means his game checks for the final 5 games of the season will be a measly $6,250 each.
This could also help explain why they won't even consider cutting him. It effectively costs them $31,250 to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season, because were they to cut him and try to get back the $984,375 through other means, it would probably require more legal proceedings and such.
All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall. $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season. Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill. But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.
Word.
Where did you get this FFatPatt? That's classic if that's what is happening.
Do you know if the FO also collected Westbrook's fines, or did they just blow it off?
They fined Westbrook something like $8,000/day for each day of training camp he missed. He didn't have a big signing bonus they could try to get back, like Owens did.
I got the numbers from reading the background information and simple deduction. I made a small error by calculating the amounts by game, not week (didn't include the bye week), but the general idea is correct.
Thanks for spelling that out for me. I am teh stoopiD.
Quote from: qwert246 on November 24, 2005, 09:39:05 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 24, 2005, 08:15:01 AM
Actually, they already demanded re-payment of the prorated portion of the bonus ($1.75 million or so) after he missed the mandatory mini-camp. They've been deducting a set amount (about $109,375) from each game check to recoup that over the season, reducing his game checks from $203,125 for each game to more like $93,750.
I guess they'll have to raise the deduction amount for the final 5 games after not having to pay him at all for 4 games. He has now "paid back" about $765,625 of the $1.75m, meaning he still has $984,375 to pay back. That means his game checks for the final 5 games of the season will be a measly $6,250 each.
This could also help explain why they won't even consider cutting him. It effectively costs them $31,250 to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season, because were they to cut him and try to get back the $984,375 through other means, it would probably require more legal proceedings and such.
All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall. $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season. Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill. But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.
Word.
Where did you get this FFatPatt? That's classic if that's what is happening.
Do you know if the FO also collected Westbrook's fines, or did they just blow it off?
The first letter said they were going to do it, but I don't think they actually did - FF? Were you basing this on the letter?
I think they decided to hold off on going after the bonus until after this hearing. That way they would have cut-and-dry support for the inevitable grievance to come...
i love all owens haters in this thread who back in the summer defended to the death him staying on the team cause hes was a great player
yous are all weaker than seven days
i think i was in the 'burn him' camp this summer, but i can't quite remember.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2005, 08:59:46 AM
i love all owens haters in this thread who back in the summer defended to the death him staying on the team cause hes was a great player
yous are all weaker than seven days
You're a complete assclown, IGY.
There's no defending what Owens did this year. NONE. NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, OVER AND OUT.
im an ass cause i wanted him gone in training camp?
or im an ass for calling out all the TO cack riders who are now acting like hes a mass murderer?
i think (at least my interpretation) that rome missed your point when he read your post.
My point was, T.O. deserves whatever flaming he gets in this forum just as he deserved praises before he starting acting like a jackass. As a fan, you can cheer and then boo players. That's how it works. Cheer them when they do well and boo their asses when they literally tear a team to pieces with their selfishness. What's wrong with that?
Your post, conversely, was trolling at its worst. You posted it solely to provoke a reaction from all of us and I'm pointing out to you that by doing so, you've acted like an assclown.
See the difference?
before he starting acting like a jackass
lolol
TO started acting like this five years ago dook
and if you want to apply it only to his eagle career it started right after the superbowl...where were all these haters when he ripped mcnabb then or missed the mini camps or bashed childress or ripped macnabb again ect ect ect....ill tell you where they were...they were chest deep up TO's ass
its just pathetic that it took reading the arbitrators decision for them to finally rip the guy...and now that hes off the team hes all of sudden the second coming of jack the ripper
Quote from: Cerevant on November 25, 2005, 08:44:57 AM
The first letter said they were going to do it, but I don't think they actually did - FF? Were you basing this on the letter?
I think they decided to hold off on going after the bonus until after this hearing. That way they would have cut-and-dry support for the inevitable grievance to come...
They didn't know during the mandatory mini-camp of any hearing to later occur. They did know, however, that Owens was already in violation of his contract. They started taking the money out of his game checks immediately.
This has been confirmed, even if sources in the media were unaware.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2005, 08:59:46 AM
i love all owens haters in this thread who back in the summer defended to the death him staying on the team cause hes was a great player
yous are all weaker than seven days
I wanted him gone early in the summer.
rjs and I were the first ones on that bandwagon at :CF.
Check the record
Wigga.
How about you name some names if you're going to call people out, tuff guy?
Also, it's okay to change your mind. You don't have to pick a position and keep it forever. Doing that is the weakest possible.
QuoteRushing touchdowns hurt Owens' case
By REUBEN FRANK
phillyBurbs.com
PHILADELPHIA — In 1998 and again in 2002, Terrell Owens scored rushing touchdowns for the 49ers on end-arounds.
Years later, those rushing touchdowns played a pivotal role in arbiter Richard Bloch's ruling denying Owens' grievance against the Eagles.
Here's why.
On Sept. 25, during the third quarter of the Eagles' win over the Raider at the Linc, Owens caught a four-yard touchdown pass from Donovan McNabb, the 100th touchdown of his career.
Moments later, on the massive video screen in the south end zone at Lincoln Financial Field, the Eagles showed the nearly 68,000 fans at the game a taped tribute to Owens that was put together by Rob Alverino and the Eagles' TV-video production department.
As the tribute ended, Owens was shown on the Eagles' bench, tipping his cap to the cheering fans.
On Oct. 23, during the first quarter of the Eagles' win over the Chargers at the Linc, Owens caught another four-yard TD pass from McNabb. This was the 100th touchdown reception of his career.
On Nov. 3, Owens appeared on ESPN and blasted the Eagles for not honoring him after his 100th career TD catch.
"You know (their) reaction shows you the type of class and integrity of an organization that they claim not to be," Owens said.
"You know, they claim to be first class and the best organization. I just felt it was an embarrassment. It just shows the lack of class that they had. My publicist talked to the head PR guy, and he made an excuse about (how) they didn't recognize it, or they didn't realize that it was coming up. But I know that was a blatant lie. If it would have been somebody else, they probably would have popped fireworks around the stadium."
Those remarks, and others he made in the same interview ripping McNabb, were central in Reid's decision to suspend Owens two days later.
Last Friday, during Owens' grievance hearing fighting his suspension at the Philadelphia Airport Marriott, arbiter Richard Bloch watched a videotape of the Eagles celebrating Owens' 100th career touchdown. And then he watched a video of Owens' remarks on ESPN blasting the Eagles for not honoring him.
Five days later, Bloch ruled in favor of the Eagles in every aspect of Owens' grievance against the club, upholding their four-game suspension without pay and their right to banish him from the NovaCare Complex for the rest of the season.
A league source familiar with the ruling said Bloch placed considerable weight into such matters as conflicts between reality and Owens' remarks and concluded that the only reason Owens would criticize the team on national TV for not honoring him after his 100th touchdown catch when the team had actually honored him weeks earlier after his 100th touchdown was to be a destructive force in the locker room.
"When (Bloch) saw T.O. ripping the Eagles for not honoring him after his 100th touchdown catch, then watched the actual video that was shown in the stadium honoring him after his 100th touchdown, that's pretty damning evidence against him," the league source said.
Owens was also damaged by his widely publicized post-Super Bowl quote, in which he said, "I wasn't the one who got tired in the Super Bowl," an obvious reference to McNabb, who after taking several savage hits in the game had trouble calling out some plays late in the fourth quarter.
During his testimony, Owens denied that he was talking about McNabb.
"I think with that comment, I said it probably in regards to my own conditions because I hadn't practiced with the team since my injury," Owens testified. "I never referred to Donovan in that comment. A lot of people speculated and they just assumed that I was talking about Donovan. That's not what I meant ..."
Asked to explain how the comment — "I wasn't the one who got tired" — could possibly mean — "I was the one who got tired" — Owens re-plied, "I was talking about myself, because he asked me about my condition."
In his 38-page ruling, Bloch used this exchange as an example of how Owens' attacks on McNabb were willful, damaging and destructive.
"Owens' denial ... is unpersuasive," Bloch wrote. "It is difficult, at the least, to accept (his) contention that his statement, "I wasn't the one that got tired,' should be construed to mean, "I was the one who got tired.'
"But the more significant point in all of this is the perception, one of which (Owens) was fully aware, that he had, once more, taken aim at his quarterback. In this highly charged atmosphere, the perceptions are of substantial importance, and they weigh heavily in evaluating the conduct of the player immediately thereafter."
I don't. Rome hit it dead on when he said IGY is an ass-clown.
Calling people out now, after 81 has been a terrible teammmate during the season and publishing your great self-love because you wanted him gone before he pulled the most attrotious of his acts is nothing but shameful promotion of some imagined self worth. As far as I'm concerned, IGY has no worth on this board with his baggy-pant wearing, white-ass showing "image".
Hey, did you guys know back in 1987 I thought Osama bin-Ladin was a jerk and we should have cut him from the human race then? No one believed me, and now everyone that thinks the same was is stupid. Look at me everyone, I rule.
farg off IGY -- your act is old.
i love how everybody attacks IGY personally and how he types, it really is funny how petty most people are. you don't agree with someone so you bash him personally? sad. but there's something to be said for that. people who get that angry from something somebody on a message board says have a reason for being that angry. most likely, what was said is actually true and it bothers people so much that it was correct that they attack the poster so viciously, as if to try to convince themselves that he is wrong so what he said isn't true.
but hey, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 25, 2005, 10:28:59 AMblah blah blah
I love how you're always first in line to take
Wigga's money shot in the eye. It's no coincidence that, like him, you're just a disruptive, insulting prick.
Eat shtein.
How about you name some names if you're going to call people out, tuff guy?
do a search its not difficult to find out
it generally going to be the people who are most boisterous about TO now...people such as myself who for the most part havent spoken on the arbitators ruling are the ones that have been anti-TO all along...as i have no need to rip the guy at this point since ive been doing it for all of this year
all the cornballs who are all over him now are the ones that wanted him on the team three months ago...even though during that time nothing much has changed
people who get that angry from something somebody on a message board says have a reason for being that angry. most likely, what was said is actually true and it bothers people so much that it was correct that they attack the poster so viciously
pretty much
its not even that big of a deal...i just find the frauds to be pure comedy
lets quote some passages out of the ruling and then be like OMG TO is such a horrible human being farg TO...get out of here your dick head ect ect ect...
and my favorite one "JOE BANNER IS GOD"
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 25, 2005, 10:28:59 AM
i love how everybody attacks IGY personally and how he types, it really is funny how petty most people are. you don't agree with someone so you bash him personally? sad. but there's something to be said for that. people who get that angry from something somebody on a message board says have a reason for being that angry. most likely, what was said is actually true and it bothers people so much that it was correct that they attack the poster so viciously, as if to try to convince themselves that he is wrong so what he said isn't true.
but hey, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
He's a clown, Mo.
I'm done with his wigger act. If this board had an ignore feature, he'd certainly be on mine.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 25, 2005, 10:32:27 AM
It's no coincidence that, like him, you're just a disruptive, insulting prick.
wrong queer. find where I am disruptive and instulting, 90% of my posts are sports related and the other 10% are pure comic gold, something you are unfamiliar with. i'm just smarter than you and you hate that. but money shot in the eye, that's real creative, keep the one-liners flowing.
*oh and changing my quote to "blah, blah, blah" = pure genius. i'm still laughing.
I'm done with his wigger act
in all seriousness could you refrain from using that word...the racist connotations of it are unsettling at best...it tells me that you wouldnt hesitate to drop the 'n' word as well...and thats sickening
Yawn.
Go away, WIGY.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2005, 10:44:09 AM
I'm done with his wigger act
in all seriousness could you refrain from using that word...the racist connotations of it are unsettling at best...it tells me that you wouldnt hesitate to drop the 'n' word as well...and thats sickening
Need a tissue,
Wigga?
Need a tissue, Wigga?
actually i do...racist chatter makes me cry
Deleted the last entry.
I'm done feeding the hungry hungry hippos.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2005, 10:52:04 AM
Need a tissue, Wigga?
actually i do...racist chatter makes me cry
You
are a racist, though.
You are a racist, though
kill whitey??
Only the racist ones.
and the bored ones that have nothing to latch on to...except for xannies aka little blue footballs (pass me the ball i wont drop it) and meth tubes
funny how that stuff wasnt a big deal until rich white kids started dying
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 25, 2005, 11:02:33 AM
(http://www.blazinbeauties.com/images5/alba_beach/alba_beach_2_small.jpg)
Ahem
sorry
i tend to get carried away when seashell necklaces are brought up
QuoteStephen A. Smith | Getting past the ruling
By Stephen A. Smith
Inquirer Columnist
In Terrell Owens' perfect world, his petulance would be explainable. His tirades would be stomached. His insubordination would be rewarded with the kind of freedom that translates into a new, hefty contract somewhere else while the Eagles regressed to the times of Rich Kotite.
But this is the real world, where nothing is perfect for Terrell Owens. Not now and, quite possibly, not for the remainder of his career. After all the pouting, whining, belligerence and, ultimately, an uncharacteristic mea culpa in his front yard, Owens' immediate future, thanks to an arbitrator's decision yesterday, is stuck in neutral.
Going nowhere. Sullied beyond comprehension. Stagnant, and at the complete mercy of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Unfortunately.
There is no cause for celebration here. There never should be when a situation is rife with a bunch of losers.
Owens has lost big-time, regardless of the imminent spin scheduled to arrive from his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Donovan McNabb loses, too, his once-pristine reputation fragmented by the perpetual jabs thrown in his direction by Owens.
The Eagles are no better off, either, considering that they're losing not just a player who caught 47 passes for 763 yards in seven games this season, but an all-pro who would have helped them produce a record better than 4-6.
Owner Jeffrey Lurie's "gold standard" no longer exists.
But after stomaching all the acrimony - Owens' demand for a new contract; his vow to be disruptive after not getting one; the receiver's continual shots at McNabb, and the culminating insults aimed at the Eagles - there is still something that absolutely stinks about this whole fiasco.
Mainly, the Eagles' ability to keep Owens from playing elsewhere.
They just didn't rob Owens of the right to work.
They slapped him, then threw him change for good measure.
When you act the way Owens acted, you deserve to get suspended. You deserve to be convicted in the court of public opinion. Humiliation, embarrassment, and all its residual effects are entirely appropriate and, in most circles, condoned. And if it comes in the form of a four-game suspension, the maximum allowed under the league's collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Association, more power to the Eagles.
Go for it.
Then leave the man alone, and let Owens live his life.
"The four-week suspension was for just cause," arbitrator Richard Bloch wrote in his decision. "Additionally, there was no inherent violation of the labor agreement in the club's decision to pay Owens but not practice or play him [for the season's last five weeks] due to the nature of the player's conduct and its destructive and continuing threat to the team."
Honestly, that is something I can't fathom.
At the very least, someone in the offices of the NFLPA should be made to answer for this one, evidently for having too much of a cozy relationship with commissioner Paul Tagliabue at the bargaining table.
Just so we get this straight: The Eagles don't want Owens anymore. They've handed down the maximum allowable suspension. And still, just because they're electing to pay him nearly $1 million of his $3.5 million base salary for the final five games of the regular season, they get to put him on their inactive list - instead of releasing him - for the express purpose of preventing him from playing elsewhere.
Message to Gene Upshaw, the union's executive director: Can we talk? Please?
What a thing for players to live with. There's no doubt that the masses feel Owens got exactly what he deserved, but that's only because both he and Rosenhaus were stupid in advertising what they were going to do during contract wrangling.
But what if they had not publicized their plans? What if all of this had happened behind the scenes, and the Eagles had still made this decision?
"The ruling makes clear that Terrell Owens and his agent engaged in conduct that was disruptive to the Eagles and that Coach Reid's decision to suspend the player was appropriate," said Harold Henderson, the NFL's head of labor relations.
Notice the interpretation, and where it's coming from, then ask yourself two simple questions.
If your future was at the total mercy of an employer's interpretation, how would you feel about your job? Wouldn't you deserve some help?
It's almost sacrilegious to ask the latter regarding Owens.
In anyplace else, that is, but America.
:puke
QuoteDonovan McNabb loses, too, his once-pristine reputation fragmented by the perpetual jabs thrown in his direction by Owens.
How did this damage Donovan's reputation? He showed he was the bigger person...again.
I think TO, Drew Rosenhaus, SAS and Freddie all sat around and ate some popcorn and shared "I hate Donovan" stories together.
I bet TO, SAS and Freddie all called him whitey too.
PG...its like mixing 6 shots of whiskey after having drunk a case of guiness...you know might happen.
New rule....can we immediately ban anyone posting anything regarding/from/about Stephen A. Smith?
I really don't care for this schmuck.
homie is getting straight cash for the rest of the post suspension season...i could see sas point if they were trying to take away all his money...but come on the guy will be stackin chedder for doing nothing...to me thats exactly what america is all about
Talk white, please.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 25, 2005, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 25, 2005, 10:28:59 AM
i love how everybody attacks IGY personally and how he types, it really is funny how petty most people are. you don't agree with someone so you bash him personally? sad. but there's something to be said for that. people who get that angry from something somebody on a message board says have a reason for being that angry. most likely, what was said is actually true and it bothers people so much that it was correct that they attack the poster so viciously, as if to try to convince themselves that he is wrong so what he said isn't true.
but hey, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
He's a clown, Mo.
I'm done with his wigger act. If this board had an ignore feature, he'd certainly be on mine.
I agree -- CF staff, can you look into an ignore feature?
I thought this wipe was banned a while ago, and it made me smile. To see that I was wrong sucks.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 25, 2005, 12:49:15 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 25, 2005, 11:02:33 AM
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Ahem
YOU WILL ALL LEARN TO RESPECT JESSICA'S AUTHORITY!!
I thought this wipe was banned a while ago, and it made me smile. To see that I was wrong sucks.
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I don't have a problem with IGY. Actually, is he sponsorable?
IGY...if you are sponsorable...I'll sponsor you. All you have to do is after each message write:
*This message has been sponsored by hbionic
That would be quite an endorsement. "Hey, guys. I've got Chuggie on my side!!" Or actually, in ign'ant speech: "Yo, dawgs. Me and Chuggie are tight. Know whu'm sayin'?"
It would probably be "nawmean?"
IGY is cool. Sure his opinions are not usually popular, but everyone on here has different ones at times.
Just like I still wanted TO on the team even after the infamous rip job he did on ESPN in early November. It wasn't until I heard all of the other stuff that I realized I was wrong. I still will not apologize for the TO love fest last year. Last year it was all good. I was willing to sacrifice the harmony of a pre-TO team to win. But its obvious that couldn't be done with all the stuff going on behind the scenes.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 25, 2005, 09:44:40 AM
They didn't know during the mandatory mini-camp of any hearing to later occur.
They absolutely knew that any action they took that would cost TO money would end up in front of an arbitrator. They said in the testimony that the signing bonus thing was a wake-up call:
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The Club at that time demanded repayment of his 1.725 million dollar signing bonus; this was, as the Club testified, meant as a wake-up call.
Quote from: FFatPatt
They started taking the money out of his game checks immediately.
This has been confirmed, even if sources in the media were unaware.
Confirmed by whom? The only place I've seen or heard that this was followed through on is in the first letter. Remember the media reported on the second letter during training camp, and even then the signing bonus thing was still considered a threat. Again, do you have a source that this was followed through on other than text of the first letter?
I have an e-mail in to a couple of people who can/will confirm. I have already received confirmation from a slightly less reliable source, but I think he was just going on the initial note also.
PLEASE LOCK THIS fargING THREAD!
Thank you.
:)
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 26, 2005, 09:03:52 AM
I have an e-mail in to a couple of people who can/will confirm. I have already received confirmation from a slightly less reliable source, but I think he was just going on the initial note also.
That's good news - I was hoping that there wouldn't be a whole new round of media crap and grievance hearings surrounding the signing bonus thing, but I knew it had to be done to follow through on the "trash this team and it is going to cost you" plan.
I have now heard many conflicting reports as to whether or not the Eagles have already started getting that signing bonus back, but I am certain that if they haven't already, they will. T.O. doesn't have a separate case to file a grievance about this. Bloch's decision would cover this as well.
:deion :deion :deion :deion
Question: Would that get added to next year's cap as well?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 26, 2005, 11:27:16 AM
:deion :deion :deion :deion
Question: Would that get added to next year's cap as well?
Yes.
The four game checks get added to next years cap.
Any SB they get back will be as well. That's why I asked the original question. I wasn't sure if they went after it already.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 26, 2005, 11:05:21 AM
I have now heard many conflicting reports as to whether or not the Eagles have already started getting that signing bonus back, but I am certain that if they haven't already, they will. T.O. doesn't have a separate case to file a grievance about this. Bloch's decision would cover this as well.
My read is that it would cover the signing bonus only indirectly, which is why I think they waited for this decision to go after the SB. Without this ruling, there may be some question if TO was actually in default of his contract - but with the "2 game suspension" clause, it is an open and shut case now that a 4 game suspension has been approved.
I would just like to say that you should all choke on my balls and say thank you for the privilege.
Oh yeah, and bow to the Alba ass.
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Indeed.
Also, GQ just named her ass 'Rear of the Year.' As if this is news.
That Stephen A. Smith article is retarded. It's not like the Eagles are preventing him from working again EVER. Hell, the douche that I've hated since training camp (IGY wasn't talking about me, suckers) is still getting paid for this season.
Any money Owens lost is purely his fault.
WTF is it with TO and politicians? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051129/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_owens_specter)
The government has no farging right sticking their motherfarging nose in sports business. I'm tired of them and their gay hearings and farging everything up.
Way to go Senator...you really picked a great side to fight for. Isn't this the same icehole that had something to do with Kennedy getting killed.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 29, 2005, 09:31:34 AM
Isn't this the same icehole that had something to do with Kennedy getting killed.
he was on the Warren Commission, and came up with the 'Single Bullet Theory'.
but saying he had something to do with Kennedy getting killed is pretty wrong and stupid.
No, it's not wrong and stupid. He was part of the conspiracy if that's the case. Of course, you probably believe him.
I would farging love to take a crowbar to the face of anyone who defends that icehole or claims that the NFL/Eagles are treating him unfairly. Did Spector read any of the shtein that TO did? farging hell.
yawn. A quick way to get your name in the news again. That argument has no leg to stand on.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 29, 2005, 09:38:04 AM
No, it's not wrong and stupid. He was part of the conspiracy if that's the case. Of course, you probably believe him.
yippie for believing Oliver Stone!11!
he's teh truth
spector is just trying to pick up some african american votes in the city...hes less pro worker rights than phil knight
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 29, 2005, 09:38:04 AM
No, it's not wrong and stupid. He was part of the conspiracy if that's the case. Of course, you probably believe him.
I hate to threadjack, let's take this tangent elsewhere... (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17285.0)
Aren't Republicans for LESS government?
Quote from: Phanatic on November 29, 2005, 12:36:19 PM
Aren't Republicans for LESS government?
Theoretically. But in reality, no.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 29, 2005, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on November 29, 2005, 12:36:19 PM
Aren't Republicans for LESS government?
Theoretically. But in reality, no.
Republicans want less government for business and more government in your personal life. Yay!
Quote from: Phanatic on November 29, 2005, 12:36:19 PM
Aren't Republicans for LESS government?
Conservatives are for less government. Unfortunately many in the Republican party are betraying their conservative constituents who helped them get elected.
Specter is more liberal than a good number of Democratic senators.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 29, 2005, 09:28:22 AM
WTF is it with TO and politicians? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051129/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_owens_specter)
Raging homophobes like to stick together.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 29, 2005, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 29, 2005, 09:28:22 AM
WTF is it with TO and politicians? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051129/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_owens_specter)
Closet butt-pirates like to stick together.
Yup.
Same thing.
It's nice to see the Honorable Senator Specter focusing on the really important issues that face the Senate.
The War in Iraq, Violent Crime, A Failing Public Educational System, Rampant Poverty, AIDS... and he chooses Terrell Owens to champion.
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 29, 2005, 02:39:38 PM
It's nice to see the Honorable Senator Specter focusing on the really important issues that face the Senate.
The War in Iraq, Violent Crime, A Failing Public Educational System, Rampant Poverty, AIDS... and he chooses Terrell Owens to champion.
:-D
Yup, sad that he doesn't have something better to do with his time. :boo
Sorry if already posted but T.O. really "loves me some me"
Check out her last name.
http://www.the700level.com/2005/11/felisha_terrell.html
Quote from: BobbyT on November 29, 2005, 06:27:42 PM
Sorry if already posted but T.O. really "loves me some me"
Check out her last name.
http://www.the700level.com/2005/11/felisha_terrell.html
OH MY GOD! I had no idea!
I heard TO's upset about his trade to Baltimore and wants to fight it.
Jesus Christ there are some gorgeous women on that site.
Neon chimes in with his fitty cent (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-deionsoundsoff&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Quote
"It's like someone working a job 9 to 5 and they don't apologize to their boss, they're fired.
For one, brief second, Neon had a moment of germaneness. Then he kept talking.
The comparisons supporting T.O. often neglect to factor in that he'll be getting paid not to work.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 30, 2005, 06:04:45 PM
The comparisons supporting T.O. often neglect to factor in that he'll be getting paid not to work.
Deion seems to be neglecting about 95% of the whole situation & oversimplifying the whole matter to that of TO not apologizing. The only thing missing was references to the "man keeping him down".
Quote"T.O. wasn't a problem until he asked for his money," Sanders said.
Hey fargwit, he got
his money less than 12 months ago.
Anyone hear Bernard Hopkins on Jim Rome today? Unbelievable. Guy is fricken crazy. He went off on DMac by totally supporting TO. Rome was getting all twisted trying to defend McNabb. I don't know how they got from his big match this weekend to TO but it was nuts. He was comparing himself to TO. Rome was trying to bring him back to earth but Hopkins was to far gone. He was going off on how bad McNabb has played and how bad off the birds are. He was trying to say the Eagles will be the first team in NFL history not to make the playoffs after being in the Super Bowl. Rome kept trying to tell him that the Rams, Patriots, Raiders, Bucs missed the playoffs in just the past five years.
I hope Taylor kicks his ass!
I hope Taylor kicks his ass!
YEAH!...get your ass beat cause you dont agree with ME
bernard hopkins is philly...you should be ashamed of such a comment
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 08:13:22 AM
I hope Taylor kicks his ass!
YEAH!...get your ass beat cause you dont agree with ME
bernard hopkins is philly...you should be ashamed of such a comment
you getting the fight IGY?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 08:13:22 AM
I hope Taylor kicks his ass!
YEAH!...get your ass beat cause you dont agree with ME
bernard hopkins is philly...you should be ashamed of such a comment
Why would Don Ho care about that? He lives in Hawaii.
hell yeah...gotta bunch of heads coming over...you?
we are goin to the big five classic saturday afternoon then back home to watch the fight
Why would Don Ho care about that? He lives in Hawaii.
oh my bad...that would explain his ignorance then...i assumed everyone here was from philly even if they dont currently reside there
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 08:31:23 AM
hell yeah...gotta bunch of heads coming over...you?
we are goin to the big five classic saturday afternoon then back home to watch the fight
well, it might be just me, because all my friends don't like boxing, but i missed the 1st one and was pissed, so I'll eat the 49.99.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 08:32:44 AM
oh my bad...that would explain his ignorance then...i assumed everyone here was from philly even if they dont currently reside there
HIS ignorance? HA!
So, let me get this straight...Hopkins is a boxer. The ultimate ME sport. He defends TO. Shocker.
You are so all over the place. You hate TO, you hate McNabb, you hate Reid....why the farg are you even here?
Because he hates us, too.
I think you can disagree with some of Reid's decision making, especially during games, and not hate Reid.
I think you can be dissatisfied with McNabb's play in big games, and still respect him tremendously.
TO is just a complete ass, and is indefensible.
McNabb makes some bonehead mistakes, but he's still a great QB. Reid is brutal if he has to diverge from his gameplan. But I don't want either guy off the team, just because I feel this way.
It's not as black and white as you like to paint it, PG.
So, let me get this straight...Hopkins is a boxer. The ultimate ME sport. He defends TO. Shocker.
so if i hate TO...which i do...that means i must hate anyone who defends him...sorry but life doesnt work that way...people are allowed to have their own opinions and not be hated for it...within reason of course
You hate TO
yes
you hate McNabb
no i actually love donovan...but hes not above criticism
you hate Reid
yes
Did someone mention the Big Five Classic?
Man, I would love to go to that.
:'(
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 01, 2005, 09:16:35 AM
Did someone mention the Big Five Classic?
Man, I would love to go to that.
:'(
i know, every year i saw i'm going to get tickets, and every year i watch it at home.
Did someone mention the Big Five Classic?
Man, I would love to go to that
i go every year...this year isnt quite the same...its only a double header and drexel is one of the four...because of the 50th aniv. of the big 5 they are having a special st joes-penn game in february as they were the two schools that played the first game
still tho theres nothing like palestra doubleheaders
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 09:21:44 AM
Did someone mention the Big Five Classic?
Man, I would love to go to that
i go every year...this year isnt quite the same...its only a double header and drexel is one of the four...because of the 50th aniv. of the big 5 they are having a special st joes-penn game in february as they were the two schools that played the first game
still tho theres nothing like palestra doubleheaders
so what's the double header? nova/temple and lasalle/drexel?
lasalle-drexel
penn-temple
being the 'home' team penn is always included
ahh, i just assumed that penn wasn't involved because of that other game they are playing.
so no nova and no SJU? that's weak.
but you do get to see Steven Smith, which is nice.
We used to go every year when I was a little kid. My old man loved the Big 5 and he loved going to the Palestra even more.
but you do get to see Steven Smith
northeast high represent
temple penn is always great as you have the dorm livin parents pay for everything penn students vs the datsun 210 pushin temple commuters
rome i dont know if lov(ed) means he doesnt go anymore or hes no longer with you but if its the former this would be a great x-mas gift for your old man or for that matter anyone thats even remotely interested in the big 5....its an amazing bathroom book
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i've never been to the Palestra :'(
i've never been to the Palestra
'next year'
Nah... he passed away when I was young, IGY.
Nice book, though. I might pick it up for myself, actually.
The Big 5 is the main reason I never really got into the Sixers. When you have that kind of basketball experience available, why settle for the drudgery of watching overpaid (even though they really weren't back in the early 1970's) spoiled brats give half-assed efforts on the court?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 01, 2005, 09:42:04 AM
i've never been to the Palestra :'(
You live in Philly and have never been to the Palestra?
???
Dude, you gotta go. :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 09:37:17 AM
temple penn is always great as you have the dorm livin parents pay for everything penn students vs the datsun 210 pushin temple commuters
GO OWLS!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 01, 2005, 09:47:39 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 01, 2005, 09:42:04 AM
i've never been to the Palestra :'(
You live in Philly and have never been to the Palestra?
suburbs, but yeah, never been there. in contrast to your pop, mine was a pro guy. i went to countless Eagles, Phillies, Sixers and Flyers games as a kid. The only college bball games i've been to were at the A-10 tournament, maybe 6 years ago.
You idiots sullied the grievance thread with talk of college basketball. What the hell, man!
link (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/13328716.htm)
QuoteEagles again ask Owens to return part of bonus
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
The Eagles want their signing-bonus money back, too.
A source close to the situation yesterday confirmed a report on Foxsports.com that the Eagles have informed Terrell Owens again that they want $1.725 million of his $2.3 million signing bonus back, a threat they first made when the wide receiver did not show up at a mandatory post-draft camp in April.
The Eagles had no comment.
A league spokesman said he was not aware of the situation, and Owens' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, did not return a phone call.
Owens, who was restored to the 53-man roster last week, will be deactivated for tonight's game against the Seattle Seahawks.
His four-game suspension without pay cost him $764,706 of his $3.25 million base salary for this season. He is owed $955,882 over the final five games, but it appears as if the Eagles intend to withhold those payments because he never returned the money from his signing bonus.
All of this could lead to another grievance being filed by the NFL Players Association on Owens' behalf - or by the Eagles if the wide receiver refuses to return the money.
Team sources said last month that the money was not an issue in Owens' grievance hearing. The sources said at the time that the team was more concerned with keeping the wide receiver away from the team.
The Eagles have maintained since Owens' spring holdout that they were within their rights to reclaim 75 percent of the receiver's signing bonus because they felt he had breached his contract.
In the 38-page ruling by arbitrator Richard Bloch that went against Owens last month, there was a July letter from coach Andy Reid to the wide receiver that demanded the repayment.
Wrote Reid: "Should you fail to repay that total amount by August 12, 2005, we will begin deducting the above amount in equal installments from your game checks, and any other compensation owed to you by the club, or we will initiate a non-injury grievance for repayment of money owed to the club due to your breach."
Bloch was not asked to rule on the money the Eagles feel they are owed from the signing bonus. The arbitrator ruled that the team was within its rights to suspend Owens for four games without pay because of conduct detrimental to the team. He also ruled that the team had the right to deactivate Owens for the final five games of the season as well as bar him from the Eagles' practice facility for the remainder of the
LMAO Front Office just wont let this one die.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on December 05, 2005, 10:44:30 AM
LMAO Front Office just wont let this one die.
Why should they--he violated his contract. If they really wanted to stick it to him, they could pick up the 5M option bonus next year--then he'd either have to shut up and play for them, accept any trade they make for him, or sit out the year. And how happy would he be playing in GB with a declining Brett Favre, or how many teams would pay him big money after he's been out for a year and a half?
Quote from: Cerevant on November 26, 2005, 01:44:54 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 26, 2005, 11:05:21 AM
I have now heard many conflicting reports as to whether or not the Eagles have already started getting that signing bonus back, but I am certain that if they haven't already, they will. T.O. doesn't have a separate case to file a grievance about this. Bloch's decision would cover this as well.
My read is that it would cover the signing bonus only indirectly, which is why I think they waited for this decision to go after the SB. Without this ruling, there may be some question if TO was actually in default of his contract - but with the "2 game suspension" clause, it is an open and shut case now that a 4 game suspension has been approved.
:-D Have to say I saw this one coming...TO can file a grievance, but it is an open and shut case after the last arbitration result.
Here comes another one
Here it comes again
Here comes another one
When will it ever end?
I know whatever it is
I've not seen one before
But here comes another one
And here comes a bunch of 'em
Here comes another one
Thank God I'm not having lunch with them (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-owensgrievance&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Just keep sticking it to him. I really think Rosenhaus should pay the 1.7 for him. They should then pay the roster bonus and trade him to Detroit.
Quote from: stalker on December 07, 2005, 10:56:33 AM
Just keep sticking it to him. I really think Rosenhaus should pay the 1.7 for him. They should then pay the roster bonus and trade him to Detroit.
But then the Eagles would just be eating the roster bonus, and Owens gets to play.. What they should do is pay it to the douche then inactivate him for the season.
I wish there was no cap limit so the Eagles could honor the entire length of the contract and bench him the whole time, effectively ensuring his career ends.
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 07, 2005, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: stalker on December 07, 2005, 10:56:33 AM
Just keep sticking it to him. I really think Rosenhaus should pay the 1.7 for him. They should then pay the roster bonus and trade him to Detroit.
But then the Eagles would just be eating the roster bonus, and Owens gets to play.. What they should do is pay it to the douche then inactivate him for the season.
I wish there was no cap limit so the Eagles could honor the entire length of the contract and bench him the whole time, effectively ensuring his career ends.
That would be the ultimat goal.
today is _____'s 32nd birthday, and he's supposedly in Hawaii
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 07, 2005, 02:20:33 PM
today is _____'s 32nd birthday, and he's supposedly in Hawaii
No doubt imagining himself catching bombs.
Wow, Freddie got old in a hurry.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 07, 2005, 02:57:28 PM
Wow, Freddie got old in a hurry.
They're talking about Terrell Owens, dumbass.
Who?
Quote from: General_Failure on December 07, 2005, 03:02:40 PM
Who?
Terrell Owens. He started his professional career in San Fransisco, then was traded to Baltimore, but he didn't want to go there so a three way trade was worked out between Philadelphia (home of the Eagles), the Ravens and the 49ers.
Once he got to Philly he played quite well for a year, then for no apparent reason went more psycho than Norman Bates, which led to his suspension/deactivation earlier this season.
I can't believe you've never heard of this guy.
And now he's in Hawaii, dreaming about catching bombs. On Dec. 7th. Get it? Get it??
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 07, 2005, 03:15:40 PM
I can't believe you've never heard of this guy.
Yeah, you'd think something like that would have been all over the news.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 07, 2005, 03:19:30 PM
And now he's in Hawaii, dreaming about catching bombs. On Dec. 7th. Get it? Get it??
Ha - I didn't realize today was the Seventh. Hopefully the Germans will bomb him just like they did 34 years ago.
Seriously was it in '41 or '42?
Quote from: Diomedes on December 07, 2005, 03:19:30 PM
And now he's in Hawaii, dreaming about catching bombs. On Dec. 7th. Get it? Get it??
Only way he gets to Hawaii is if he buys own ticket :boom :boom
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 07, 2005, 03:23:29 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 07, 2005, 03:19:30 PM
And now he's in Hawaii, dreaming about catching bombs. On Dec. 7th. Get it? Get it??
Ha - I didn't realize today was the Seventh. Hopefully the Germans will bomb him just like they did 34 years ago.
Seriously was it in '41 or '42?
'41, T-Hawk.
Yeah, seems like yesterday when these were seen flying over Pearl Harbor.
(http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/aircraft_images/main_images/bf109g2.jpg)