Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
Maybe now we can turn around the season.
They'll play much better from here on out. I'm sure of it.
Quote from: Zanshin on November 07, 2005, 03:12:16 PM
They'll play much better from here on out. I'm sure of it.
Agreed!
Apparently he had a part in his speech that was an apology to Mcnabb, but he ripped it off the final copy, and that was the final straw.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on November 07, 2005, 03:14:10 PM
Apparently he had a part in his speech that was an apology to Mcnabb, but he ripped it off the final copy, and that was the final straw.
Wow really? we must have missed all of that news in the TO thread. :-D ;)
Good farging riddance. Whether this team plays better on the field w/o him or not. It'll be a relief not have to deal with his bullshtein.
Wait, is TO getting suspended or something?
That thread is like 400 pages long, I must have missed that part. ;)
if you hurry, you can get a $10 Owens jersey at the lancaster outlet stores, while supplies last.
im sure Modells will still have TO jerseys a year from now. ha.
Adios, dirtbag.
What a pity. All that talent, and the dude's out of his friggin' mind.
It had to be done, but it's sad that things didn't work out....
Quote from: MURP on November 07, 2005, 03:20:20 PM
im sure Modells will still have TO jerseys a year from now. ha.
You're crazy. Those things will be flying off the shelves and all of a sudden you'll watch the news and hear about a rash of bonfires across the area.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 07, 2005, 03:23:37 PM
What a pity. All that talent, and the dude's out of his friggin' mind.
Very true. Some people just aren't happy unless they're making themselves and everyone around them miserable.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 07, 2005, 03:23:37 PM
What a pity. All that talent, and the dude's out of his friggin' mind.
That's the only part I'm not happy about. One of the best WRs in the game, and he's a nut-case. It's too bad for him, and too bad for Philly.
I'll be sure to take him off the banner as soon as possible.
Good. Suits me fine.
As much as I can appreciate the talent and spark he brought to the team...he brought just as much, if not more bullshtein. I have no use for him.
Good words from Reid, I thought...typical Andy...terse and lack-luster...but...whatever it takes.
Don't let the door hit ya in the ass, TO...
Looking forward to watching him get his ass handed to him by Dawkins sometime next season.
Ciao.
Yep. It had to be done for sure.
But I'll never forget that time when the trade news started coming out. And I'll never forget when we missed out on getting him and then the stuff started coming out that the Birds were close.
I'll never forget Beermonkey reporting on his stalking of the special masters hearing on his lunch break. :-D
And the 2004 season.
Hell, even as late as Thursday I didn't want him suspended. But now that the rest of the story has come out and after thinking about it -- I am glad he is gone.
Just erase his head for now. Make it good and ugly, in a self-punishment kind of way.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 07, 2005, 03:25:27 PM
I'll be sure to take him off the banner as soon as possible.
just replace him with the reggie brown holla graphic in the other thread :-D
I think Mad-Lad should put a clowns head on him up on the CF banner.
Just give him a big red nose and the homey the clown hairdo.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 07, 2005, 03:25:27 PM
I'll be sure to take him off the banner as soon as possible.
Do a poll for his replacement.....Reggie would be my vote.
I mean...
WHO THE HELL WOULD PICK A FIGHT WITH HUGH DOUGLAS!
icehole... >:(
I mean...really!
(http://www.sfbappa.org/SF28.images/6%20PORTRAIT.PERSONALITY/03.jpg)
If Only...
Bye TO. I still love him and he's a great player, but we couldn't bring him back at this point. If nothing else, bringing him back after a loss is admitting they need TO. The Eagles have too much of an ego to give in to TO.
I like the clown idea better. reggie Brown is a good choice, but a clown head is mo betta.
So does this mean you go now too, TO is God?
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 03:32:10 PM
The Eagles have too much of an ego to give in to TO.
Yep. Except the EXACT opposite is true. Fargtard.
Both are true, and I'm not saying it as a negative. Like I said TO not coming back is the only option right now, but the Eagles will not let TO come back and say "I told ya so, you need me." At the same time TO's ego is too big to apologize to the Eagles and be a man.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 03:32:10 PM
Bye TO. I still love him and he's a great player, but we couldn't bring him back at this point. If nothing else, bringing him back after a loss is admitting they need TO. The Eagles have too much of an ego to give in to TO.
Kill yourself.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 07, 2005, 03:32:55 PM
So does this mean you go now too, TO is God?
You first.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 07, 2005, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 07, 2005, 03:20:20 PM
im sure Modells will still have TO jerseys a year from now. ha.
You're crazy. Those things will be flying off the shelves and all of a sudden you'll watch the news and hear about a rash of bonfires across the area.
The suburban wigger wannabe ghetto thugs who don't know a post route from the signpost they stole last night will still wear be wearing them all over the country.
BTW, did anyone catch the "TO Sucks" chant last night I believe when the Skins were lining up their second XP?? I don't think I've ever agreed with more Skins fans at once in my life ;D
The one thing I'm wondering, will TO be taking a roster spot the rest of the season?
Quote from: Cerevant on November 07, 2005, 03:44:01 PM
The one thing I'm wondering, will TO be taking a roster spot the rest of the season?
yes
Quote from: Cerevant on November 07, 2005, 03:44:01 PM
The one thing I'm wondering, will TO be taking a roster spot the rest of the season?
Yeah. After his suspension, they're basically Keyshawn'ing him. They'll just keep him deactivated until the end of the season.
Does anyone think there's any chance we'll get anything at all for him after the season?? Even if it's just a 6th round draft pick??
Also are there any free agent WRs out there?? Aside from FredEx....(who I actually would consider bringing back at vet minimum if he promised to keep his mouth shut)
Quote from: Wingspan on November 07, 2005, 03:45:44 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 07, 2005, 03:44:01 PM
The one thing I'm wondering, will TO be taking a roster spot the rest of the season?
yes
That's what I figured, but with all the "Get XYZ!" talk, I thought I was missing something...
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 07, 2005, 03:47:28 PM
Does anyone think there's any chance we'll get anything at all for him after the season?? Even if it's just a 6th round draft pick??
Also are there any free agent WRs out there?? Aside from FredEx....(who I actually would consider bringing back at vet minimum if he promised to keep his mouth shut)
with that roster bonus due in march...i highly doubt it.
Cut Mahe/Parry/Spach/theentiredefensivefrontseven!
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 03:24:02 PM
It had to be done, but it's sad that things didn't work out....
Remember that conversation we had about two years ago regarding T.O., Ed?
I hate to say I told you so, but...
;)
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 07, 2005, 03:47:28 PM
Does anyone think there's any chance we'll get anything at all for him after the season?? Even if it's just a 6th round draft pick??
Also are there any free agent WRs out there?? Aside from FredEx....(who I actually would consider bringing back at vet minimum if he promised to keep his mouth shut)
1. I'd rather have your boy Grant Adams over Frederick Mitchell
2. They cannot and will not trade him. The trade moratorium is not lifted until March. That is the same time his roster bonus is due. He'll be a UFA after his bonus is not paid.
Sooooo....I wonder what fan of another team will be eating shtein once TO is on their team next year?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:16:21 PM
Sooooo....I wonder what fan of another team will be eating shtein once TO is on their team next year?
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta...
Please be Atlanta, indeed.
I must admit I was wrong about TO.
And give props to Skip Bayless...which I hate to do, but he was right.
Had Bayless done his columns from last year THIS year, that would be one thing. But he didn't. He's still a fraud.
What the hell is Bayless going to write about now that TO won't be playing. The Eagles just put two people out of a job.
Congratulations. I'm sure there will still be some media BS to deal with the rest of the year, but in the long run you're better off. I don't think any team could have handled the entire situation any better than the Eagles did, no team needs a headache like that no matter what kind of talent is involved.
:yay
PS: How does this affect your cap next year? If you're in the same kind of shape you were in this year, I imagine it won't be much of a problem to absorb any hit from it. Having BW signed before next season means you can probably take some of the hit with what you have available this year, right?
Fraud or not, he was right about T.O.
And we were all wrong.
:poison
No hit whatsoever, EJ. Banner structured the deal so there'd be minimal exposure.
Thank God for that, at least.
:-\
Quote from: EJ72 on November 07, 2005, 04:22:08 PM
Congratulations. I'm sure there will still be some media BS to deal with the rest of the year, but in the long run you're better off. I don't think any team could have handled the entire situation any better than the Eagles did, no team needs a headache like that no matter what kind of talent is involved.
:yay
PS: How does this affect your cap next year? If you're in the same kind of shape you were in this year, I imagine it won't be much of a problem to absorb any hit from it. Having BW signed before next season means you can probably take some of the hit with what you have available this year, right?
Next years cap will have no effect. TO's bonus last year was structured so they'd take most of the hit in 2004. They split it up between a roster/option bonus and a signing bonus with the signing bonus being minimal so in case something like this happened they would have a msall dead money hit on him.
In March 2006 he is set to either receive a $7.5M roster bonus or not. he won't se that now, obviously. So once they refuse to pay him that he'll be a UFA and done officially as an Eagle.
And yes, Westbrook and Akers' contracts will have some hit on this year. Thats why Banner hoards cap money so he can do extensions like this.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: EJ72 on November 07, 2005, 04:22:08 PM
Congratulations. I'm sure there will still be some media BS to deal with the rest of the year, but in the long run you're better off. I don't think any team could have handled the entire situation any better than the Eagles did, no team needs a headache like that no matter what kind of talent is involved.
:yay
PS: How does this affect your cap next year? If you're in the same kind of shape you were in this year, I imagine it won't be much of a problem to absorb any hit from it. Having BW signed before next season means you can probably take some of the hit with what you have available this year, right?
Next years cap will have no effect. TO's bonus last year was structured so they'd take most of the hit in 2004. They split it up between a roster/option bonus and a signing bonus with the signing bonus being minimal so in case something like this happened they would have a msall dead money hit on him.
In March 2006 he is set to either receive a $7.5M roster bonus or not. he won't se that now, obviously. So once they refuse to pay him that he'll be a UFA and done officially as an Eagle.
And yes, Westbrook and Akers' contracts will have some hit on this year. Thats why Banner hoards cap money so he can do extensions like this.
Cool. Now you can get back to the business of playing football, and TO can begin his new career as a regular on Dr. Phil.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 04:25:41 PMThats why Banner hoards cap money so he can do extensions like this.
Plus, it makes him feel hard, like a bagel.
Hopefully TO will be starting his new career of sucking on shotguns.
I am reading on PhilaPhans that Irvin was on with Dan Patrick today and Patrick took him to task for sucking TO's balls so much. Apparently Patrick also questioned his credibility as a reporter and objectivity as an analyst to which Irvin took great offense.
He also continues to maintain that the Birds would be undefeated with Brett Favre as the QB.
Bayless will now focus on Billy McMullen!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 04:30:53 PM...to which Irvin took great offense.
Anything that chaps Irvin's ass isn't all bad.
i've had a rough day, long meetings, barely at my desk today, but i have to tell ya, this is the best news i've heard and a great way to end a monday.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 04:30:53 PM
He also continues to maintain that the Birds would be undefeated with Brett Favre as the QB.
Just wondering...has Irvin WATCHED Favre in the past 3 years?
I forget, what team does Freddie play for again?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:33:42 PM
I forget, what team does Freddie play for again?
Let's put it this way: He's only allowed to marry members of his own team, and only in San Francisco.
any chance of getting brandon whiting back?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: EJ72 on November 07, 2005, 04:22:08 PM
Congratulations. I'm sure there will still be some media BS to deal with the rest of the year, but in the long run you're better off. I don't think any team could have handled the entire situation any better than the Eagles did, no team needs a headache like that no matter what kind of talent is involved.
:yay
PS: How does this affect your cap next year? If you're in the same kind of shape you were in this year, I imagine it won't be much of a problem to absorb any hit from it. Having BW signed before next season means you can probably take some of the hit with what you have available this year, right?
Next years cap will have no effect. TO's bonus last year was structured so they'd take most of the hit in 2004. They split it up between a roster/option bonus and a signing bonus with the signing bonus being minimal so in case something like this happened they would have a msall dead money hit on him.
In March 2006 he is set to either receive a $7.5M roster bonus or not. he won't se that now, obviously. So once they refuse to pay him that he'll be a UFA and done officially as an Eagle.
And yes, Westbrook and Akers' contracts will have some hit on this year. Thats why Banner hoards cap money so he can do extensions like this.
Actually, it looks like there will be dead money, but not as bad as one would think:
TO would have gotten the 7.5 mil roster bonus in March, and that would count against the 2006 salary cap - we won't have to pay that. But unless I'm mistaken, the last 5 years of his 10mil signing bonus will hit the 2006 cap (7.1mil). So, it is a wash.
I know there's some fancy footwork going on, but it think the prorating of the signing bonus is pretty cut and dry, no?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:33:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 04:30:53 PM
He also continues to maintain that the Birds would be undefeated with Brett Favre as the QB.
Just wondering...has Irvin WATCHED Favre in the past 3 years?
He's on drugs.
That interview w/ Irvin on Patrick's show was on the phone. If it was face to face, I think Irvin would have taken a swing at Patrick.
ha! Found this on TO's board:
QuoteT.O.,
Just wanted you to know that I support you. Reid and McNabb can eat it. All I needed to see today was "T.O. Banished and Eagles Lose"!!!! Rooted against the Eagles for the first time in my life so that that headline would appear. You keep your chin up. No matter what happens or where you go, I will be one of your fans and your new team will be my new team. Stand your ground. Good luck.
Quote from: Cerevant on November 07, 2005, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: EJ72 on November 07, 2005, 04:22:08 PM
Congratulations. I'm sure there will still be some media BS to deal with the rest of the year, but in the long run you're better off. I don't think any team could have handled the entire situation any better than the Eagles did, no team needs a headache like that no matter what kind of talent is involved.
:yay
PS: How does this affect your cap next year? If you're in the same kind of shape you were in this year, I imagine it won't be much of a problem to absorb any hit from it. Having BW signed before next season means you can probably take some of the hit with what you have available this year, right?
Next years cap will have no effect. TO's bonus last year was structured so they'd take most of the hit in 2004. They split it up between a roster/option bonus and a signing bonus with the signing bonus being minimal so in case something like this happened they would have a msall dead money hit on him.
In March 2006 he is set to either receive a $7.5M roster bonus or not. he won't se that now, obviously. So once they refuse to pay him that he'll be a UFA and done officially as an Eagle.
And yes, Westbrook and Akers' contracts will have some hit on this year. Thats why Banner hoards cap money so he can do extensions like this.
Actually, it looks like there will be dead money, but not as bad as one would think:
TO would have gotten the 7.5 mil roster bonus in March, and that would count against the 2006 salary cap - we won't have to pay that. But unless I'm mistaken, the last 5 years of his 10mil signing bonus will hit the 2006 cap (7.1mil). So, it is a wash.
I know there's some fancy footwork going on, but it think the prorating of the signing bonus is pretty cut and dry, no?
That $10M bonus wasn't all a signing bonus though. It was partly a roster bonus (so they would take most of the hit on the cap in 2004) and the rest of it was a SB. I believe the actual SB amount was like $2.6M prorated over the length of the contract.
According to This Site (http://www.geocities.com/eaglescap/) the Eagles have $1, 916, 666 left on his SB proration. His SB proration this year was $383,333.
$383,333 x 7 years = $2,683,331
QuoteTerrell Owens-Owens signed a 7 year, 48.91 million dollar deal after being traded to the eagles in the 2004 offseason. The deal included a 2.3 mil signing bonus prorated over 6 years and a 6.2 mil roster bonus in 2004, and a 2.5 mil option bonus prorated over 4 years and a 5 mil roster bonus in 2006. His cap numbers are as follows:
2004: $7,243,333 (660K base salary+383,333 proration+6.2 mil roster bonus)
2005: $3,633,333 (3.25 mil base salary+383,333 proration; $1,916,666 dead money if cut)
2006: $7,008,333 (770K base salary+383,333 proration+625K proration+5 mil roster bonus+230K incentives; $1,533,333 dead money if cut before option bonus)
2007: $6,508,333 (5.5 mil base salary+383,333 proration+625K proration; $3,024,999 dead money if cut)
2008: $7,508,333 (6.5 mil base salary+383,333 proration+625K proration; $2,016,666 dead money if cut)
2009: $8,508,333 (7.5 mil base salary+383,333 proration+625K proration; $1,008,333 dead money if cut)
2010: $8,500,000 (base salary)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:40:52 PM
ha! Found this on TO's board:
QuoteT.O.,
Just wanted you to know that I support you. Reid and McNabb can eat it. All I needed to see today was "T.O. Banished and Eagles Lose"!!!! Rooted against the Eagles for the first time in my life so that that headline would appear. You keep your chin up. No matter what happens or where you go, I will be one of your fans and your new team will be my new team. Stand your ground. Good luck.
If middle fingers could murder people through the interweb, the douchenozzle who wrote that would be so dead right now.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:40:52 PM
ha! Found this on TO's board:
QuoteT.O.,
Just wanted you to know that I support you. Reid and McNabb can eat it. All I needed to see today was "T.O. Banished and Eagles Lose"!!!! Rooted against the Eagles for the first time in my life so that that headline would appear. You keep your chin up. No matter what happens or where you go, I will be one of your fans and your new team will be my new team. Stand your ground. Good luck.
That's quality. Let's weed 'em out!
It was a chick. I responded with:
"You are a moron and the Eagles fanbase is a better place today without you in it."
So the Eagles will have $1.5M in dead money in 2006 for him.
That's peanuts. Especially considering that they are carrying about 1.3M in dead money from Mr.Monday Night nate Wayne
QuoteT.O.,
Just wanted you to know that I support you. Reid and McNabb can eat it. All I needed to see today was "T.O. Banished and Eagles Lose"!!!! Rooted against the Eagles for the first time in my life so that that headline would appear. You keep your chin up. No matter what happens or where you go, I will be one of your fans and your new team will be my new team. Stand your ground. Good luck.
Thats just TO typing to himself. Schizo!
did you hit her with a couple ::) 's?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:44:14 PM
It was a chick. I responded with:
"You are a moron and the Eagles fanbase is a better place today without you in it."
Damn. You told her. I'm so glad you told us how you told her.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 04:42:22 PM
That $10M bonus wasn't all a signing bonus though. It was partly a roster bonus (so they would take most of the hit on the cap in 2004) and the rest of it was a SB. I believe the actual SB amount was like $2.6M prorated over the length of the contract.
According to This Site (http://www.geocities.com/eaglescap/) the Eagles have $1, 916, 666 left on his SB proration. His SB proration this year was $383,333.
$383,333 x 7 years = $2,683,331
QuoteTerrell Owens-Owens signed a 7 year, 48.91 million dollar deal after being traded to the eagles in the 2004 offseason. The deal included a 2.3 mil signing bonus prorated over 6 years and a 6.2 mil roster bonus in 2004, and a 2.5 mil option bonus prorated over 4 years and a 5 mil roster bonus in 2006. His cap numbers are as follows:
2004: $7,243,333 (660K base salary+383,333 proration+6.2 mil roster bonus)
2005: $3,633,333 (3.25 mil base salary+383,333 proration; $1,916,666 dead money if cut)
2006: $7,008,333 (770K base salary+383,333 proration+625K proration+5 mil roster bonus+230K incentives; $1,533,333 dead money if cut before option bonus)
2007: $6,508,333 (5.5 mil base salary+383,333 proration+625K proration; $3,024,999 dead money if cut)
2008: $7,508,333 (6.5 mil base salary+383,333 proration+625K proration; $2,016,666 dead money if cut)
2009: $8,508,333 (7.5 mil base salary+383,333 proration+625K proration; $1,008,333 dead money if cut)
2010: $8,500,000 (base salary)
Nice - thanks, I was looking for some more detailed info - my memories weren't adding up. What I'm expecting the next step for the birds will be to go after his signing bonus like they discussed at the beginning of the year, based on his good behavior clause in his contract. If they can get that through the NFLPA, they might be able to walk away from this clean...
Quote from: Diomedes on November 07, 2005, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:44:14 PM
It was a chick. I responded with:
"You are a moron and the Eagles fanbase is a better place today without you in it."
Damn. You told her. I'm so glad you told us how you told her.
I couldn't keep you guessing. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:44:14 PM
It was a chick.
That's the problem. We know chicks can't be real fans.
Oh snap!
Through all of this I just hope the teams responds in a positive fashion....BEAT DALLAS and everything will be OK in Eagle land.
farg DALLAS
:-D
they shut down the message board.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 07, 2005, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 03:24:02 PM
It had to be done, but it's sad that things didn't work out....
Remember that conversation we had about two years ago regarding T.O., Ed?
I hate to say I told you so, but...
;)
*grumblemumblegrumblegrrr*
Probably so they can take the Eagles logos off the site. :-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 07, 2005, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 03:24:02 PM
It had to be done, but it's sad that things didn't work out....
Remember that conversation we had about two years ago regarding T.O., Ed?
I hate to say I told you so, but...
*grumblemumblegrumblegrrr*
I'm pretty sure that Rome wasn't the only one who had that conversation with Ed...
bleh :P
what do i do with my to jersey?
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 05:16:42 PM
what do i do with my to jersey?
Take the nameplate off and then next 81 that comes to town, get the new name put on it.
Get a name plate, I don't know I got two of them, and I cannotbring myself to burn or throw it away, it's an EAGLES jersey Damnit.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 05:16:42 PM
what do i do with my to jersey?
Take the nameplate off and then next 81 that comes to town, get the new name put on it.
uh, what if it is a replica :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 05:16:42 PM
what do i do with my to jersey?
Take the nameplate off and then next 81 that comes to town, get the new name put on it.
mcmullen? i also have a 5, so its not like i need a jersey.
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 05:16:42 PM
what do i do with my to jersey?
WIP said something about a TO jersey burning ritual. Maybe you could join them and throw yours on the pyre?
Get Chad Owens! :D
Rich Hofmann is a complete and utter MORON.
He is sitting here saying that the Eagles locker room is divided not because of TO, but because players aren't getting paid the way they want to. And that even though TO is gone, the problems will still continue. :-o
HOLLIS NEEDS FOOD, DAMNIT!
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 07, 2005, 05:18:23 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 05:16:42 PM
what do i do with my to jersey?
Take the nameplate off and then next 81 that comes to town, get the new name put on it.
uh, what if it is a replica :paranoid
My replicas also have nameplates.
can you take them off though?
And lets also say that MIchael Barkann is a moron...he's saying that Ike Reese by himself would have handled TO. The Eagles ruined the whole TO situation by getting rid of Ike?
wtf is wrong with these people?
Barkann & Hofmann have butt sex with each other, often during Eagles games.
theres no sense in throwing it away. i saw some people throw some tape over the "Douglas" on a #53 jersey and replace it with Simoneau. If the next #81 deserves that sort of hatchet job, then I'll do it. But most likely I'll just come home drunk and piss all over it in a fit of rage, then leave it on the ground for it to rot.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 07, 2005, 05:17:52 PM
Get a name plate, I don't know I got two of them, and I cannotbring myself to burn or throw it away, it's an EAGLES jersey Damnit.
but it's been tainted.
think of it this way. there's always the moment in a zombie movie where a person close to the main character gets bitten and turns into a zombie. the main character has to kill the zombie, although the zombie resembles someone they cared about. this is the situation with your eagles jersey. it may look like an Eagles jersey, but the Eagles spirit is truly dead inside the jersey and you must eliminate it.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 07, 2005, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 07, 2005, 05:17:52 PM
Get a name plate, I don't know I got two of them, and I cannotbring myself to burn or throw it away, it's an EAGLES jersey Damnit.
but it's been tainted.
think of it this way. there's always the moment in a zombie movie where a person close to the main character gets bitten and turns into a zombie. the main character has to kill the zombie, although the zombie resembles someone they cared about. this is the situation with your eagles jersey. it may look like an Eagles jersey, but the Eagles spirit is truly dead inside the jersey and you must eliminate it.
no, no, it can't be!!!
it is, i'm sorry. burn it.
I'm definitely burning mine.
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 05:22:40 PM
theres no sense in throwing it away. i saw some people throw some tape over the "Douglas" on a #53 jersey and replace it with Simoneau. If the next #81 deserves that sort of hatchet job, then I'll do it. But most likely I'll just come home drunk and piss all over it in a fit of rage, then leave it on the ground for it to rot.
:-D that is a little to bush league for me to do. I also do not live in levittown anymore either. ;)
You can take the phillymic out of Levittown, but you can't take the Levittown out of the phillymic.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 05:29:14 PM
You can take the phillymic out of Levittown, but you can't take the Levittown out of the phillymic.
L-town for life baby :fire
Hofmann saying that the fight had no part of the suspension.
it doesnt matter what any reporter says anymore. its over and done with.
I wore my white Hugh jersey lastnight.
Had Mexican food for breakfast and used my TO jersey as a substitute for shtein paper...now I have some weird rash :-\
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 07, 2005, 05:34:16 PM
Had Mexican food for breakfast and used my TO jersey as a substitute for shtein paper...now I have some weird rash :-\
Congratulations. You now have herpes symplex 81.
Quote from: MURP on November 07, 2005, 05:33:41 PM
its over and done with.
[Proclaimers]Over and done with, it's over and done with.[/Proclaimers]
Except for the part I call "
PG posts every dumb thing the idiot media whores say, whether we wanna hear it or not." That stage will take a few days to run its course.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 05:32:58 PM
Hofmann saying that the fight had no part of the suspension.
ESPN radio ;D
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 07, 2005, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 05:29:14 PM
You can take the phillymic out of Levittown, but you can't take the Levittown out of the phillymic.
L-town for life baby :fire
Croydon, bitch. I'll kick your prefab-housing ass!
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 07, 2005, 05:34:16 PM
Had Mexican food for breakfast and used my TO jersey as a substitute for shtein paper...now I have some weird rash :-\
Congratulations. You now have herpes symplex 81.
Doesn't that form of herpes stay dorment for a year then flair up after it doesn't receive enough attention?
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
Can't wait.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 07, 2005, 05:42:58 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 05:35:16 PM
Congratulations. You now have herpes symplex 81.
Doesn't that form of herpes stay dorment for a year then flair up after it doesn't receive enough attention?
Ha! Well played, sir.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
Can't wait.
Was that sarcasm? If it was, I'm gonna have to point at your strong worded witty reply to that chick in the 81 forum and make fun of you.
If it wasn't, then nevermind. ;)
its the 49ers. they want him back.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
I'm a little surprised there are 'several' teams willing to take him. Hell, at this point if we can get anything at all for him I'd consider it a steal. :yay
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 07, 2005, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
I'm a little surprised there are 'several' teams willing to take him. Hell, at this point if we can get anything at all for him I'd consider it a steal. :yay
The Eagles won't get squat for him. He's gonna be a UFA.
I forget which hotairbag was saying it yesterday, but they mentioned Green Bay and Denver as two that may take a chance on him. They also said that Dallas, Washington, and Jacksonville would most certainly not.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 07, 2005, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
I'm a little surprised there are 'several' teams willing to take him. Hell, at this point if we can get anything at all for him I'd consider it a steal. :yay
Dude, lol...there cannot be a trade for him. Welcome to last week. ;)
I don't care what anybody says, we will not do better without TO. Sure, I hate him as a person because he is a steaming pile of bull. But no matter how you put it, if you just suspend TO and not bring in a new receiver who has half the talent he has, then we can kiss our playoff chances goodbye. As horrible a person he is off the field, noone can deny his ability to constantly make plays on the field. Back in training camp when Westbrook and TO pulled their crap, I said we needed TO more because we could have let Westbrook go and Moats would accomplish just as much, but you can't tell me that you can replace TO with Reggie Brown, no matter how talented he is.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 07, 2005, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
I'm a little surprised there are 'several' teams willing to take him. Hell, at this point if we can get anything at all for him I'd consider it a steal. :yay
Dude, lol...there cannot be a trade for him. Welcome to last week. ;)
Oops, brainfart. Been happening a little too much lately. :P
You know who wins here? Rosensnake. 81 gets a new contract next year, and Rosensnake gets paid. Had 81 stayed with Philly, Rosen gets nothing.
I think this was a brianchild of Satan himself to force the Eagles hand.
Just a thought.....
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on November 07, 2005, 05:53:54 PM
I don't care what anybody says, we will not do better without TO. Sure, I hate him as a person because he is a steaming pile of bull. But no matter how you put it, if you just suspend TO and not bring in a new receiver who has half the talent he has, then we can kiss our playoff chances goodbye. As horrible a person he is off the field, noone can deny his ability to constantly make plays on the field. Back in training camp when Westbrook and TO pulled their crap, I said we needed TO more because we could have let Westbrook go and Moats would accomplish just as much, but you can't tell me that you can replace TO with Reggie Brown, no matter how talented he is.
The team did just as good last year with TO as it did the previous three. It's not like TO helped them win any playoff games.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
It'll be the Cardinals.
Green can handle "problem" WRs, and like the Emmitt Smith signing a few seasons back, procuring Owens would boost the Cardinals' attendance and ticket sales dramatically, which is rather important for an owner whose team struggles to draw 30,000 a game.
Quote from: Larry on November 07, 2005, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
It'll be the Cardinals.
Green can handle "problem" WRs, and like the Emmitt Smith signing a few seasons back, procuring Owens would boost the Cardinals' attendance and ticket sales dramatically, which is rather important for an owner whose team struggles to draw 30,000 a game.
GET BOLDIN!!!!!
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 07, 2005, 06:06:37 PM
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on November 07, 2005, 05:53:54 PM
I don't care what anybody says, we will not do better without TO. Sure, I hate him as a person because he is a steaming pile of bull. But no matter how you put it, if you just suspend TO and not bring in a new receiver who has half the talent he has, then we can kiss our playoff chances goodbye. As horrible a person he is off the field, noone can deny his ability to constantly make plays on the field. Back in training camp when Westbrook and TO pulled their crap, I said we needed TO more because we could have let Westbrook go and Moats would accomplish just as much, but you can't tell me that you can replace TO with Reggie Brown, no matter how talented he is.
The team did just as good last year with TO as it did the previous three. It's not like TO helped them win any playoff games.
...they had Pinkston and Mitchell, right now we have last year's 4th string and a rookie.
If the Eagles make it to the Superbowl, do you think the Eagles will cut TO before the game so he can't get a ring?
If.
Yes.
And it would be sweet.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 07, 2005, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Jaws is saying that he has the inside scoop on "several" teams that are very interested in 81. he also says that teams will line up to get him because of his talent.
He will say next week who the top runners are inthe upcoming 81 sweepstakes.
I'm a little surprised there are 'several' teams willing to take him. Hell, at this point if we can get anything at all for him I'd consider it a steal. :yay
Dude, lol...there cannot be a trade for him. Welcome to last week. ;)
::) There is a difference between "can't" and "won't"
Sorry, but there absolutely can be a trade - it would just be very difficult to get sufficient value. If the Eagles pay his roster bonus on March 1, they can then trade him. For that to be of any value, they would have to get some very high picks - first round? - to justify spending the money and taking the cap hit.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 05:21:09 PM
And lets also say that MIchael Barkann is a moron...he's saying that Ike Reese by himself would have handled TO. The Eagles ruined the whole TO situation by getting rid of Ike?
wtf is wrong with these people?
you turn on that station, you're ears deserve the punishment.
especially from mr dog show ::)
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on November 07, 2005, 06:03:02 PM
You know who wins here? Rosensnake. 81 gets a new contract next year, and Rosensnake gets paid. Had 81 stayed with Philly, Rosen gets nothing.
I think this was a brianchild of Satan himself to force the Eagles hand.
Just a thought.....
This is what pisses me off at this point...TO trashes this team, and gets exactly what he wants. I wish there was a way we could farg him over without hurting the team further - just keep paying him, but suspending and fining him or something. I know it can't happen, but this shtein has to stop. You know there is going to be a change in the CBA regarding "conduct detrimental" because this bullshtein is a free pass to free agency. Contracts mean absolute shtein in the NFL right now.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 06:34:51 PM
If the Eagles make it to the Superbowl, do you think the Eagles will cut TO before the game so he can't get a ring?
Not that the SB is a real possibility at the moment, but you don't have to be on the roster for the SB to get a ring. Chad Lewis has a SB ring from the Rams.
Man. Mormons get everything.
They get all the chicks, too. Literally.
No one can "handle" T.O.
He's mentally ill. I'm absolutely convinced of that. I mean, he's the classic bi-polar personality and they make some great medication that can rectify the chemical imbalance that causes the disorder.
Why no one has insisted that this guy doesn't get pharmaceutical assistance is beyond me, guys. He clearly needs it.
Mort says they are also going after his SIGNING BONUS too. :-D
From PFT.com:
Quote"T." COULD "O." BONUS MONEY
In addition to the $7.5 million in option and roster bonus money that the Eagles won't pay to T.O. in March 2006, we've determined based on the text of his contract that the team also may be able to pursue more than $1.7 million in bonus money paid to him when he signed his contract on March 16, 2004.
Per the contract, the original $2.3 million signing bonus expressly requires repayment of $1.725 million for a "default" occurring between January 31, 2005 and January 31, 2006. A "default" occurs if, among other things, Owens is suspended for more than one game for conduct detrimental to the team.
Owens also received a $6.2 million roster bonus in 2004, none of which is subject to repayment for conduct occurring after the 2004 league year.
Thus, T.O.'s looming grievance regarding his four-game suspension is worth much more than 4/17ths of his 2005 base salary (which actually is $3.25 million, not $3.5 million as reported elsewhere). In addition to four game checks worth a total of $764,705, Owens could be forced to pay back to the team, if the grievance is upheld, all but $575,000 of his original signing bonus.
And since the grievance likely won't be resolved before the end of the regular season, our guess is that the Eagles will withhold his final five game checks (worth $955,882) as a down payment against his $1.725 million debt. Indeed, the contract signed by T.O. grants the team full discretion to deduct and set off sums owed by the player from sums owed to the player.
The bottom line for Owens is that his conduct could end up costing him $2,489,705 in past bonus money and 2005 salary. In order to merely break even as to where he would have been if the team had exercised its March 2006 option, Owens needs to pocket $9,989,705 on his next contract.
And we'll bet $9,989,705 that it won't happen.
TO cost himself an assload of cash.
But but but he needs to feed his family! :'(
Now THAT'S some funny shtein!!!
Looks like its Top Ramen, Mac & Cheese and the generic brand kool-aid for the Owens clan from now on...
They're gonna have to start watering down the ketchup, too.
Good point.
And not even be able to afford the Heinz ketchup. Gonna have to get the white label shtein that just says CATSUP on it.
Do you really think that the FO would go after TO's SB? :paranoid
If so, then the FO would make TO SOL.
Dude... I lived on Ramen noodles in college.
It took me about five years after I graduated before I could even look at them again. In fact, I'd specifically avoid the aisle of the Supermarket that had them.
Yeesh.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 07:59:34 PM
And not even be able to afford the Heinz ketchup. Gonna have to get the white label shtein that just says CATSUP on it.
And use it on their spaghetti.
Sad, but True.....bye bye TO
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 07:43:22 PM
Mort says they are also going after his SIGNING BONUS too. :-D
From PFT.com:
Quote"T." COULD "O." BONUS MONEY
In addition to the $7.5 million in option and roster bonus money that the Eagles won't pay to T.O. in March 2006, we've determined based on the text of his contract that the team also may be able to pursue more than $1.7 million in bonus money paid to him when he signed his contract on March 16, 2004.
Per the contract, the original $2.3 million signing bonus expressly requires repayment of $1.725 million for a "default" occurring between January 31, 2005 and January 31, 2006. A "default" occurs if, among other things, Owens is suspended for more than one game for conduct detrimental to the team.
Owens also received a $6.2 million roster bonus in 2004, none of which is subject to repayment for conduct occurring after the 2004 league year.
Thus, T.O.'s looming grievance regarding his four-game suspension is worth much more than 4/17ths of his 2005 base salary (which actually is $3.25 million, not $3.5 million as reported elsewhere). In addition to four game checks worth a total of $764,705, Owens could be forced to pay back to the team, if the grievance is upheld, all but $575,000 of his original signing bonus.
And since the grievance likely won't be resolved before the end of the regular season, our guess is that the Eagles will withhold his final five game checks (worth $955,882) as a down payment against his $1.725 million debt. Indeed, the contract signed by T.O. grants the team full discretion to deduct and set off sums owed by the player from sums owed to the player.
The bottom line for Owens is that his conduct could end up costing him $2,489,705 in past bonus money and 2005 salary. In order to merely break even as to where he would have been if the team had exercised its March 2006 option, Owens needs to pocket $9,989,705 on his next contract.
And we'll bet $9,989,705 that it won't happen.
TO cost himself an assload of cash.
Adam Shefter on NFL Network said that the Eagles by cutting him after the season will get back 5 million on the cap. I can't recall if that was old news or not though.
QuoteMonday, November 7, 2005
With a nod to Keyshawn, T.O. will find a new team
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
For now at least, the fabulously talented but tragically flawed Terrell Owens is a man without a football team. A man without a pay check as well.
But before anyone leaps to the conclusion that the banished Eagles wide receiver is either a man without a future, or a poisonous pariah who will never again set foot on an NFL field, here's a name for you:
Keyshawn Johnson.
While Johnson's actions during the 2003 season weren't quite as volatile as Owens' outlandish behavior has been in the last eight months, Johnson was sufficiently disruptive with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to merit a team-ordered six-week paid holiday that effectively ended his season with a month-and-a-half of games remaining. The Bucs opted to pay Johnson, but not play him, yet slyly retained his rights rather than grant him freedom.
At the end of that season, Johnson was traded to the Dallas Cowboys -- the deal reunited him with coach Bill Parcells -- in exchange for another veteran wideout, Joey Galloway. This is not to suggest that the Eagles are hanging onto Owens because he represents valuable trade bait, a commodity that might bring something in return in the spring. Truth be told, Owens isn't totally available yet because to just jettison him would be to play right into his hands. And Eagles brass, more spitting mad at Owens' antics last week than at any ploy he has mustered in recent months, isn't about to cave.
No one knows yet how Owens will depart the Eagles, only that he will, but it will be on the terms and a timeline dictated by owner Jeff Lurie, club president Joe Banner and coach Andy Reid. For a guy accustomed to reaching the end zone, Owens' fate is now someone else's to decide, and it will be the Eagles' management trinity that will set the end-game in motion at its whim.
The Eagles, who know that Owens will soon file a grievance against them, are treading carefully, diligently dodging any move that might give an independent arbitrator ammunition. That's why officials spent much of last Friday, after privately determining that they had to excise a cancer from their locker room, counseling with the folks at the NFL Management Council.
When it comes to disciplinary action against Owens, everything has been enacted in accordance with the collective bargaining agreement rights both parties possess. The team has dotted every "I" and crossed every "T" with great care. But when the Eagles permanently cross Owens off their roster is the great unknown at this time. The team can suspend him for four weeks maximum for conduct detrimental to the club, a catch-all disciplinary category, and the clock started ticking over the weekend.
Three more weeks of suspension, each of which will cost Owens $191,176 of his $3.25 million base salary, still leaves five more weeks of the season remaining. And what then? The best guess is that the Eagles, who were very precise Monday in announcing that Owens will not play for them again this season, will essentially say to him what the Bucs said to Johnson in 2003: We'll pay you, if necessary, to keep you away.
Notable in everything announced by the team Monday, after it deliberated over the weekend on how to handle the latest flap with a player who suddenly has gone from an incredible talent to an incorrigible human being, was that there was no mention of the future. Not even a syllable, much less a soliloquy, on what happens after the season ends. But there was little doubt even before Owens' latest stunt that he would not be back in 2006 -- that both sides would continue the marriage of convenience until January or February and then file for divorce -- and there isn't a molecule of a chance that he will ever play for the Eagles again. Yeah, we know, ever is a long, long time.
In the minds of Eagles officials, however, there is no amount of time sufficient enough to absolve Owens of his perceived attack on the team and its franchise player, quarterback Donovan McNabb. Like murder, there is no statute of limitations, the Eagles believe, on the brand of betrayal enacted by Owens, especially in the past week.
But once the umbilical cord is snipped, where will Owens land next? And who is going to pay him a contract that will satisfy him? There will be suitor, for sure, but most will want a lot of financial protection. In fact, ESPN.com has confirmed the Eagles will file to collect on one of their financial protections and will seek repayment of $1.8 million in signing bonus money Owens received in 2004.
The Eagles were savvy enough to include stipulations in his deal that, barring a victory on appeal, will force Owens to ante up a breach of contract penalty.
Certainly his actions have diminished his value, both in terms of the number of teams that might be willing to swallow hard and take him on, and in the size of the numbers that any such franchise might be willing to write into a contract. Make no mistake, though, Owens will be in an NFL uniform in 2006. The Cowboys took on Johnson. Even earlier, Dallas traded two first-round draft picks for Galloway in 2000 after he boycotted Seahawks training camp in a contract dispute, and awarded him a $6 million-a-year deal.
Owens might never see $6 million in a season again but he will see the playing field. Where? Don't bet on the usual suspects; teams that have rolled the dice in the past on players regarded as character risks such as Oakland, Washington, and Tampa Bay. Think more along the lines of Denver, Miami and New Orleans.
Even with his earning potential dented, finances will still play a role in Owens' future; a franchise like the Raiders already has considerable investments in Randy Moss and Jerry Porter. The NFL isn't fantasy football, where teams can just collect all of the NFL's premier players, and without salary cap consequences. A champagne budget at one position often means being able to spend beer money at other spots. And Owens doesn't see himself as a lager guy, but rather one of prime vintage.
Rest assured, being booted off the Main Line won't mean the end of the line for T.O. Talent characteristically trumps temperament in the NFL and, while most franchises will see Owens as poison, others will find a way to rationalize that he can still be an elixir within an ailing passing attack.
After all, Keyshawn Johnson is still in the league, isn't he?
Why is the paragraph in bold printed twice in that article?
Oh, I think it was the caption on the side of the page....
From the Super Bowl to this, all because TO can not shut his pie hole.
I think it was Super Bowl to this because TO whines, our defense gets no pressure, special teams suck, and we have no run blockers on offense.
It's been a crazy ride, from the excitement and optimism of landing TO to the Super Bowl to this.
Well, not much I can add to this discussion. See you in hell, TO!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 07:43:22 PM
Mort says they are also going after his SIGNING BONUS too. :-D
Damn, who would have thought of that...oh yeah:
Quote from: Cerevant on November 07, 2005, 04:46:51 PM
Nice - thanks, I was looking for some more detailed info - my memories weren't adding up. What I'm expecting the next step for the birds will be to go after his signing bonus like they discussed at the beginning of the year, based on his good behavior clause in his contract. If they can get that through the NFLPA, they might be able to walk away from this clean...
damn.. seems like their after everything. after that i hope they go after the fluid in his brake lines too.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on November 07, 2005, 09:57:28 PM
damn.. seems like their after everything. after that i hope they go after the fluid in his brake lines too.
Wait until he gets the tape in the mail of Hugh Douglas banging Felisha.
As long as we save cap room and don't take too big of a hit for getting rid of him then its all good news.
I'm excited to see what the team can do without him.
By the way, this season is far from over. No one is running away with this division. Hopefully the Eagles can correct some of the bad things from last night and build off some of the nicer plays they executed that evening. I'm not giving up yet.
He can't go to Miami. McMichael already has #81, so TO won't get his way....
:-D
Sadly, TO would bitch and whine on a team simply because of a jersey number.
Found this today.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/dawkinsdarthcore/201160901324tc.gif)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 07, 2005, 04:33:42 PM
I forget, what team does Freddie play for again?
Paper or plastic?
:-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 11:02:43 PM
He can't go to Miami. McMichael already has #81, so TO won't get his way....
TO would try to get it and McMichael would smack him just like he does to his ol lady.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 07, 2005, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on November 07, 2005, 09:57:28 PM
damn.. seems like their after everything. after that i hope they go after the fluid in his brake lines too.
Wait until he gets the tape in the mail of Hugh Douglas banging Felisha.
:-D
Did anyone happen to see that hag Rhea Hughes on ESPNews with Freddie Mitchell?
Why have I had to see her busted ass face on ESPN twice in the last week?
She was on there, likely reading cue cards given to her by Cataldi, saying how the Eagles problems are all McNabb.
And that Eagles management hates players who speak out. Then she says "you know all about that Freddie!" And he's just laughing. Then she says how when Welbourn ripped them they shipped him out too.
She's disgusting and pisses me off.
Serves you right for watching.
Not for long...I click to ESPNews for a scores update on the NBA...saw her and it was off within 2 minutes.
I guess Denver WOULD be a possibility--after they get eaten alive again in the playoffs, Shanahan will be desperate. I can't see him coexisting in New Orleans with Jim Haslett though--if Haslett is still coaching the Saints. After all, he DID ship out Rickey Williams.
June Jones needs a WR.
Joe Banner is a calculating, cold-hearted bastich. He's my hero ;D
I can't believe I didn't see it before, but the "conduct detremental" clause in TO's contract wasn't some sort of hedge against TO being TO...it is the anti-Mitchell/Welborn clause.
They can't stop a player from whining his way out of town under the current rules. If they cut him, he's a free agent. But what they can do is take back the money he did get. The value of this is two-fold:
1) The player loses some (or even most) of the SB money that is "gauranteed" and that they value so much
2) The team takes little or no cap hit for cutting the player
This is why the team has been so tolerant of TO, and given him so many second chances. They aren't trying to rehabilitate TO - they are trying to set precedent in the league for the "legality" of this contract clause. If this holds up, I will gaurantee that every new contract the Eagles write will contain this clause. This might have even been a sticking point in the Westbrook negotiations...
Joe Banner is the best thing that has happened to the Eagles since they fired Rich Kotite.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 07, 2005, 09:33:17 PM
It's been a crazy ride, from the excitement and optimism of landing TO to the Super Bowl to this.
Well, not much I can add to this discussion. See you in hell, TO!
dont be so sure. after 6 months in hell TO is going to ask for a new contract and satan will probably look to trade him.
See you on Europa, terrell!
Announcement: Rosenhaus/T.O. press conference to be held at 3 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2005, 12:53:41 PM
Announcement: Rosenhaus/T.O. press conference to be held at 3 PM
sweet. can't wait to hear Rosenhaus' irritating voice while he spazzes.
hmmm...I wonder which route they'll go:
1) I apologize to my teammates, the organization, the fans and the city.
2) The Eagles are hypocrites, Dunvun is a hypocrite, Hugh attacked me first, I want my money that is wrongfully being held from me, I want out of my deal immediately so I can play elsewhere with a team that truly wants me.
Tough one...
maybe he'll throw a curve ball at us and he'll beg for forgiveness and plead to come back to the team.
maybe.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 08, 2005, 01:05:29 PM
maybe he'll throw a curve ball at us and he'll beg for forgiveness and plead to come back to the team.
maybe.
I'd barf up my lunch.
maybe drew will come out and shoot TO in the forehead before putting the barrell in his own mouth.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 08, 2005, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 08, 2005, 01:05:29 PM
maybe he'll throw a curve ball at us and he'll beg for forgiveness and plead to come back to the team.
maybe.
I'd barf up my lunch.
that's hot.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 08, 2005, 01:05:29 PM
maybe he'll throw a curve ball at us and he'll beg for forgiveness and plead to come back to the team.
maybe.
If it was just TO, there would be a question. But Rosenthief knows the only way he'll get any money is if TO is released (and subsequently re-signed). This is going to be all about how TO has been unfairly vilified and victmized.
Andy is done with TO. Now Joey B is going to eat him for lunch.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 08, 2005, 12:59:51 PM
hmmm...I wonder which route they'll go:
1) I apologize to my teammates, the organization, the fans and the city.
2) The Eagles are hypocrites, Dunvun is a hypocrite, Hugh attacked me first, I want my money that is wrongfully being held from me, I want out of my deal immediately so I can play elsewhere with a team that truly wants me.
Tough one...
LMFAO at Big Ed and the "Dunvun" thing. That is so true. He says it exactly like that. For some reason, that made me laugh hard.
Maybe he called the presser to come out of the closet..."cuz if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat..."
But doesn Rosenpuke know what reputation the Eagles have as a FO and what reputation McNabb has. Both are thought of as class-act guys.
TO was a bad apple in SF and this is repeat behavior. If he goes out there and bashes the Eagles even moreso, it will just hurt him even more for any future contract. And I think Rosenpuke knows this since he's the one that tried to get TO to apologize and wrote it for him...including the missing McNabb comments.
I think he'll be two-faced and apologize to his fans but at the same time he'll take his shots at the Eagles FO.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 08, 2005, 01:18:35 PM
Maybe he called the presser to come out of the closet..."cuz if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat..."
Will his soon to be wife be sitting with him as he says it? A la McGreevey?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 08, 2005, 01:46:33 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 08, 2005, 01:18:35 PM
Maybe he called the presser to come out of the closet..."cuz if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat..."
Will his soon to be wife be sitting with him as he says it? A la McGreevey?
That would rule. She's got to be as vapid as he is to put up with his ass... oh, wait, she's just a golddigger. I forgot.
She's nailing the gardener on the side. I guess he is too if we're going with the TO IS TEH GAY jokes.
Everyone seems to have an opinion:
From MMQ Tuesday
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/11/08/mmqbte.to/index.html
THE EAGLES GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED. From Jack Mayor of New York: "Don't you think the Eagles bear some responsibility for this. If a senior employee ever walked into the Xerox room at work and accused me of slacking off, taking too many sick days, when I was the single best attorney at my firm, I would be FURIOUS. The Eagles have taunted TO with petty stuff like Hugh Douglas and now the Brian Westbrook extension when the guy gives 110% every single down. Andy Reid and his staff are to blame for this altercation, not T.O.''
I've heard this logic from a few people in the last few days, and I can only say Steely Dan once put out an album with what I think it is: Pretzel Logic. In other words, twisted. Jack, we live in a society (now I sound like George Costanza) that says stars get treated better than the common people. But there is a limit to how well the star can get treated. In your example, if the attorney was the best in the office, wouldn't that attorney still have to live by some basic rules of the firm? That's the problem the Eagles, in the end, had with Owens. Reid allowed the guy to bend the rules further than any player he's ever coached. He didn't make him apologize for dressing down offensive coordinator Brad Childress last summer. He didn't make him attend a mandatory team event for fans just before the season. I'm sure he looked the other way 10 or 15 more times when it made him uncomfortable to do so. Is it customary at that law firm for the attorney, feeling scorned, to walk into a meeting with the partners and say, "Anyone else want a piece of me?''
Now you raise the Westbrook issue. Owens signed a seven-year contract in 2004, then demanded it be renegotiated after one year. Westbrook signed a three-year contract in 2002, played it out, then signed a one-year tender at a significantly under-market number this year, all the while trying to work out a long-term deal with the team. This is taunting T.O.? Jack, we live in different worlds.
Quote
Eagles | When and How Owens Leaves is to be Determined
Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:40:38 -0800
ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports no one knows when and how the Philadelphia Eagles will part ways with WR Terrell Owens, who will not play for the team again. The Eagles brass - owner Jeff Lurie, club president Joe Banner and head coach Andy Reid - will determine the terms and timeline as to when and how they'll say so long to him, and they have spent a lot of time making sure everything they have done is in accordance with the CBA rights both parties possess. Owens will lose $191,176 per game during the four games he's suspended. After that, the team is likely to pay him just to stay away; much like how the Tampa Bay Buccaneers handled WR Keyshawn Johnson when it was clear he was no longer going to be part of their team. The Eagles are unlikely to release him this year, as that would give into what Owens wants. At the end of the year, he could be released or traded. Owens actions have diminished his financial value as well as the number of teams that would be willing to bring him on. It's unlikely he'll ever see the same type of money the Eagles had given him in a contract with another team.
from TMQ:
QuoteIn other football news, He Who Must Not Be Named is now He Who Need Not Be Named. This gentleman continued to throw selfish temper tantrums because there was never a cost associated with such behavior. Every time he denounced teammates or demanded special treatment, he got away with it. Now there has finally been a cost. The NFL Players Association has filed a grievance, but NFL players have a stake in making sure the discipline sticks -- because they will benefit. The descent from team play to selfishness is what started the NBA's tumble from charmed sport to vanishing ratings. It is imperative the me-first virus, busily destroying the financial structure of pro basketball, not be allowed to catch on in the NFL. Eagles owner Jeff Lurie should be lauded for taking a stand for the whole league; players will benefit too, as keeping the me-first contagion out of the NFL will preserve the league's ability to provide handsome income to the majority on NFL rosters. Now, sports media -- let's see a little more attention for the majority of players who bust their busts, never complain and behave with dignity in public, a little less 24-hour coverage of a guy who deserves to be traded to a day-care center.
link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051108/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_eagles_owens_future)
QuoteOwens summoned police to his house late Monday because there were some people on his property. He said he wanted to be left alone, had no comment and would contact the news media when he did want to speak, police at the scene said.
Later, two pizzas were delivered to Owens' home. Someone answered the door — not Owens — and gave deliveryman James McDevitt a $5 tip. McDevitt said he left the tip on the door step.
:-D
Quote from: Diomedes on November 08, 2005, 02:43:22 PM
link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051108/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_eagles_owens_future)
QuoteOwens summoned police to his house late Monday because there were some people on his property. He said he wanted to be left alone, had no comment and would contact the news media when he did want to speak, police at the scene said.
Later, two pizzas were delivered to Owens' home. Someone answered the door — not Owens — and gave deliveryman James McDevitt a $5 tip. McDevitt said he left the tip on the door step.
:-D
That's what I'm talkin' about. :yay
Quote from: Diomedes on November 08, 2005, 02:43:22 PM
link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051108/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_eagles_owens_future)
QuoteMcDevitt said he left the tip on the door step.[/b]
:-D
This guy McDevitt is my king!!!
Sam McNabb (Donnie's father):
QuoteAs for Owens, McNabb said the wide receiver's criticisms of his son stung him not as a father, but as a black man.
"Within the last month, we've seen a man (Donovan McNabb) who is trying to accomplish something very difficult, to be an African-American quarterback at the top of his game, attacked by someone of his own race," McNabb said. "That's what really amazes me. It's like another black-on-black crime. Those are hurts that create scars that take a long time to heal."
Gotta love unnecessary plays of the race card.
Donovan should ball gag his Pops and TO. Or start hiring a hitman
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2005, 04:49:50 PM
Gotta love unnecessary plays of the race card.
According to most folks, that card is always played unnecessarily.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 08, 2005, 04:50:58 PM
Donovan should ball gag his Pops and TO.
TO might enjoy that scenario a little too much.
Black people of that generation view everything as racial in nature. As a group they did a lot and experienced a lot that has helped advance race relations, and that's great. Yippee. Guess what? Dumbass statements like this one help to keep racial tensions alive. This issue clearly has nothing to do with race and bringing it up only brings race to the forefront, which is exactly where it shouldn't be.
In summary, old people should die.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 08, 2005, 04:53:05 PM
Black people of that generation view everything as racial in nature. As a group they did a lot and experienced a lot that has helped advance race relations, and that's great. Yippee. Guess what? Dumbass statements like this one help to keep racial tensions alive. This issue clearly has nothing to do with race and bringing it up only brings race to the forefront, which is exactly where it shouldn't be.
In summary, old people should die.
I bet most of them will....
Look at what the Eagles did to his player page (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=9949).
That's funny stuff, right there.
didn't take long :yay
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2005, 05:14:15 PM
Look at what the Eagles did to his player page (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=9949).
That's funny stuff, right there.
Dave is still PMSing. :-D
OMFG! (http://www.terrellowens.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34636&st=0&p=1063684257&#entry1063684257)
:-D :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2005, 08:37:19 PM
OMFG! (http://www.terrellowens.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34636&st=0&p=1063684257&#entry1063684257)
:-D :-D
Love it. Losers.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 08, 2005, 05:17:23 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2005, 05:14:15 PM
Look at what the Eagles did to his player page (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=9949).
That's funny stuff, right there.
Dave is still PMSing. :-D
Did anyone else think this ad on his page was particularly apt?
(http://ba.philadelphiaeagles.com/banners/PA%20Lottery%20nu151x126.gif)
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2005, 08:37:19 PM
OMFG! (http://www.terrellowens.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34636&st=0&p=1063684257&#entry1063684257)
:-D :-D
im not a member...what does it say?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 08, 2005, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2005, 08:37:19 PM
OMFG! (http://www.terrellowens.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34636&st=0&p=1063684257&#entry1063684257)
:-D :-D
im not a member...what does it say?
They're planning a "meeting" of T.O. supporters at the NovaCare facility at 6:00 A.M. tomorrow morning.
Everyone has been instructed to wear their T.O. jerseys as a show of solidarity and support.
The responses are beyond hysterical.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 08, 2005, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 08, 2005, 08:37:19 PM
OMFG! (http://www.terrellowens.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34636&st=0&p=1063684257&#entry1063684257)
:-D :-D
im not a member...what does it say?
It says "UR LUKY U DDNT REGISTR N CNT READ THIS CRAP"
I think they should bring him back and bench his arse like some high school dork until he says or does something stupid then suspend his arse for another four games ad nauseum until the season is over so they can pay him as little as possible.
Won't happen b/c of the NFL players Union, but I can wish can't I.
I was fishing around the Mets MB trying to get some hot stove rumors, and stumbled upon this...
It's too good not share...
http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-mets&msg=141517.1&ctx=0
Dave completely raped everything TO on that site. All his wallpapers except the Dallas star pose are gone. Including his profile like someone posted earlier.
Schefter said on NFL Network that they have taken down all TO pictures and anything with TO in it at the NovaCare complex.
Man it's like he is so poisonous they want to erase him from their memories.
Oh well, we have a while to think about who we'll bring in next year to be our number one guy.
Out of sight, out of mind. ESPN1-50 and ESPNEWS are now on parental block on all the tvs in there as well.
Anyone caught watching CSN will be shot on sight.
When asked about TO yesterday, Keyshawn pointed to a sign taped to his locker: "NOT MY PROBLEM". Meanwhile, up in Boston, Rodney Harrison ripped TO on the radio, saying TO only cares about money and himself, he's a jerk, he should have been out of the NFL 2 years ago, and he'd never allow anyone like that on his team...
Rodney seriously needs to roll over and die. Is he suddenly the model a role model now?
Just saw the TO press conference. Rosenhaus, good god! What a farging geek. Kind of guy you prayed that someone would kick the shtein out of in high school. That was the biggest crock of shtein I have ever witnessed.
TO saying how football is his passion? Lying sack of shtein! Did he not last year say basketball was his true love?
The world must have come to an end as I was just watching SportsCenter and 100% totally agreed with Sean Salisbury.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 09, 2005, 01:15:20 AM
When asked about TO yesterday, Keyshawn pointed to a sign taped to his locker: "NOT MY PROBLEM". Meanwhile, up in Boston, Rodney Harrison ripped TO on the radio, saying TO only cares about money and himself, he's a jerk, he should have been out of the NFL 2 years ago, and he'd never allow anyone like that on his team...
Eagle-hater Bryan Cox ripped him on FOXSportsRadio too.
Rodney Harrison bought a team? Or did he get a GM job?
I hate that dude. STFU and rehab those knee ligaments, Rod.
I wrote to a couple doctors about TO's actions. By the end of the week I hope to get to the bottom of what is wrong with TO. Maybe if we find out it will lead to him getting help, because it may not be his fault that he acts the way he does.
I'll keep everyone updated on my progress.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 09, 2005, 04:00:33 AM
I wrote to a couple doctors about TO's actions. By the end of the week I hope to get to the bottom of what is wrong with TO. Maybe if we find out it will lead to him getting help, because it may not be his fault that he acts the way he does.
I'll keep everyone updated on my progress.
Oh... please do.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 09, 2005, 04:00:33 AM
I wrote to a couple doctors about TO's actions. By the end of the week I hope to get to the bottom of what is wrong with TO. Maybe if we find out it will lead to him getting help, because it may not be his fault that he acts the way he does.
I'll keep everyone updated on my progress.
You didn't need top do that. All you needed to do was buy Owens' book that came out last year. He's felt vicitmized since he was a kid; he talks abouut the love for his grandmother, but in his book,, she kept him in all the time and wouldn't let him play with the other kids in the neighborhood; while in high school, on the team bus, he fell asleep, and supposedly, a teammate spit into his mouth. I'm sure it all leads to insecurity issues.
There are a couple of articles in the Inky this morning on his grievance and also about the Hugh Douglas incident:
On his grievance, the NFLPA is arguing that you can't suspend a guy without pay for 4 weeks and then essentially deactivate him for the rest of the season because "the CBA says that conduct detrimental is only a 4 game suspension". Yeh, well, they're only suspendiing him for four games without pay. I'm sure that the Management Council will argue that the NFLPA can't legislate to teams who they can activate and deactivate. Plus, I remember reading this summer when he threw his first fit where the Eagles had structured his contract so that it "provided a 4 game suspension FOR EACH ACT OF CONDUCT DETRIMENTAL". Banner and Reid were both vague, as they needed to be when they said there were a lot of unknown incidnets out there.
On Douglas, I'm not sure if you guys knew this, maybe PG had some inside info, apparently what happened was that Douglas "came into the weight room and said that some callers into his show on WIP had questioned Owens' injury and if it was genuine. Owens wasn't initially in the weight room, but when he came in, he only HEARD PART OF WHAT DOUGLAS SAID"--unfortunately, it was the last part.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2005, 05:14:15 PM
Look at what the Eagles did to his player page (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=9949).
That's funny stuff, right there.
Does anyone else find it humorous that they put a lottery ticket ad on his page?
Quote from: AutumnWind71 on November 09, 2005, 07:36:23 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2005, 05:14:15 PM
Look at what the Eagles did to his player page (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=9949).
That's funny stuff, right there.
Does anyone else find it humorous that they put a lottery ticket ad on his page?
The ads cycle randomly. If you go to his page again, it could be an ad for something else.
So no, I didn't find it odd.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2005, 01:50:27 AM
Rodney Harrison bought a team? Or did he get a GM job?
I hate that dude. STFU and rehab those knee ligaments, Rod.
Better yet... don't rehab it, and just go away.
Dan Lebatard said on PTI what most of us were thinking anyway--Owens got bad advice form Rosenhaus.
lebatard only says that because right now TO is his boy since he comes on the radio with him...frankly its a cop out to put any blame on rosenhaus...TO is a grown man and was gay bashing quarterbacks long before he ever met drew rosenhaus
Quote from: AutumnWind71 on November 09, 2005, 07:36:23 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 08, 2005, 05:14:15 PM
Look at what the Eagles did to his player page (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=9949).
That's funny stuff, right there.
Does anyone else find it humorous that they put a lottery ticket ad on his page?
Ummm... yeah. I did. On the previous page of this thread.
:-D
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 09, 2005, 09:40:45 AM
Dan Lebatard said on PTI what most of us were thinking anyway--Owens got bad advice form Rosenhaus.
He said a LOT more than just that. He blamed TO for a lot of stuff.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 09, 2005, 09:40:45 AM
Dan Lebatard said on PTI what most of us were thinking anyway--Owens got bad advice form Rosenhaus.
if TO would have just let the SB tired thing go away, he would be an Eagle next year and getting that 7.5 mil roster bonus. Now he gets castor oil on a spoon
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 09:45:51 AM
lebatard only says that because right now TO is his boy since he comes on the radio with him...frankly its a cop out to put any blame on rosenhaus...TO is a grown man and was gay bashing quarterbacks long before he ever met drew rosenhaus
LeBatard is as spineless as they come. Let me know if he EVER portrays TO, Ricky Williams or Shaq in a negative light. He needs to stay in their back pockets so naturally, he keeps his nose up their asses.
LeBatard is as spineless as they come. Let me know if he EVER portrays TO, Ricky Williams or Shaq in a negative light. He needs to stay in their back pockets so naturally, he keeps his nose up their asses.
actually i think he nuzzles it in their scrotums...but yes i agree with you
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 10:04:44 AM
LeBatard is as spineless as they come. Let me know if he EVER portrays TO, Ricky Williams or Shaq in a negative light. He needs to stay in their back pockets so naturally, he keeps his nose up their asses.
actually i think he nuzzles it in their scrotums...but yes i agree with you
I'm sure he doesn't want to ruin his book deal w/ these guys "The Famous Atheletes Ass, and My Head" by Dan Lebatard, Simon & Schuster.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2218520
NFLPA wants Eagles to cut Owens so he can play this year.. :-D
Quote from: 4and26 on November 09, 2005, 02:36:53 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2218520
NFLPA wants Eagles to cut Owens so he can play this year.. :-D
Nope
I want a golden toilet. Think the NFLPA can hook that up for me?
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2005, 02:42:10 PM
I want a golden toilet. Think the NFLPA can hook that up for me?
Why?
Quote from: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2005, 02:42:10 PM
I want a golden toilet. Think the NFLPA can hook that up for me?
Why?
Because my ass rules and I want to treat it right. I would get platinum fronts for it if I had the dough.
From Upshaw:
Quote
"There was no suspension there. A team has the right to inactivate a player for whatever reason it wants," he said. "But in T.O.'s case, this is a team suspension, not a commissioner's deal. They're different. When we bargained in those rules, there was a reason for it. The most a player can be suspended is four games. You can't go beyond that."
I think Gene forgot two words. Allow me to fill them in.
The most a player can be suspended
without pay is four games.
If the Eagles decide to pay the man, but not play him, that is not against the current CBA.
If the Eagles decide to pay the man, but not play him, that is not against the current CBA.
Excellent point!
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2005, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2005, 02:42:10 PM
I want a golden toilet. Think the NFLPA can hook that up for me?
Why?
Because my ass rules and I want to treat it right. I would get platinum fronts for it if I had the dough.
You rock
QuoteEagles agree: Too little, too late
Some ex-teammates sorry to see Owens go, but they support Reid's decision.
By Jeff McLane
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Reaction to the end of Terrell Owens' year and a half tenure with the Eagles and his subsequent apology was fairly consistent in the locker room at the NovaCare Complex today.
Some former teammates were sad to see him go, but they supported head coach Andy Reid and team management's decision to set Owens free and to not reinstate him following his public mea culpa.
"It seemed sincere," said defensive tackle Hollis Thomas. "It's too little too late, though."
The T.O. saga continues today as a report on ESPN.com has a "key union official" from the NFL Players Association saying that Owens still has a good shot of returning to the field this season.
The players union will make the case that Owens should be returned to the roster exactly as he was before he was suspended for four games. It is also expected that arbitrator Richard Bloch will be asked to reduce the financial penalty Owens is facing.
Owens' grievance hearing is scheduled for Nov. 18. The union will argue that the punishment assessed - a four- game suspension, plus deactivation for the conclusion of the season - was excessive.
Some of the players agreed the punishment fit the crime. They also said that had Owens delivered his apologies on Saturday, he would be preparing for Monday night's game against the Dallas Cowboys with them today.
"I stand behind (Eagles management) 100 percent," said cornerback Sheldon Brown. "I don't know how much a man can take.
"I think Andy's been fair, he's given him a lot of opportunities. I'm pretty sure if (Owents) would have given us that apology when he had the opportunity before we went to Washington then he would still be here today."
Last week, Owens gave a sit-down interview with an ESPN.com reporter, criticizing quarterback Donovan McNabb and the Eagles organization for a lack of class. The Eagles offered him a chance to get back in their good graces if he made the necessary public and private apologies.
In the team's eyes, Owens gave a half-hearted apology on Friday that was supposed to include a direct apology to McNabb. And then on Saturday, he refused to comply after they asked him to apologize again.
They suspended him indefinitely later Saturday and the day after Sunday night's loss to the taterskins, Reid, saying there was a long list of actions detrimental to the team, announced that Owens would not return to the team again.
"Donovan is the franchise player here," Brown said. "We built this team around him. We're going to go as far as he takes us, so we all have to be behind him and that's all 52."
McNabb was not available to the media today to comment on the series of events this week related to Owens. He will be part of tomorrow's scheduled press conferences that begin at 11:30 a.m. with head coach Andy Reid.
None of the players, however, questioned the sincerity of Owens' apology that he delivered yesterday from outside his Moorestown, N.J. home.
As professional athletes, those who love the game and know what it means to them, several players were able to play amateur psychologist and sympathize with Owens' genuine request for forgiveness.
"As a football player, when you take football away from someone a lot of things change," said tight end L.J. Smith. "You never miss something until it's gone. Right now he's missing it and I think what he said was sincere."
It's hard to dispute the fact that the Eagles product on the field won't be better off in the immediate future without Owens, who led the team in every receiving category. Rookie wide receiver Reggie Brown, who had five catches for 94 yards and a touchdown in replace of Owens against Washington, will be a regular starter now and Greg Lewis will slide up as the No. 1 receiver.
Lewis will miss Owens, who he said was a friend and a mentor. But he also said it's back to business and back to the business of winning football games.
"I never really thought it was a distraction, per se, for myself," Lewis said. "But we have to come in and do what we're supposed to do each week regardless of what is going on outside of football."
His Atlanta house is up for sale too (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/1105/10owens.html)
Pics/details (http://www.thecastleberryteam.com/Listings/ListingDetail.ASPX?LID=15082031)
hmmm...desperate for more money + no budging from the Eagles + 2 huge houses on the market = a broke ass TO?
Not only is his family eating macaroni and cheese, but they're getting generic fruit loops for breakfast.
I think when you own a marble bust of yourself and a hyperbaric chamber its not a stretch to imagine you might be broke.
Skippy finally weighs in on T.O. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/051110)
I hate it when I agree with that farging blowhard.
I really hate it when I do so wholeheartedly.
:boom
rumor has it that Skippy celebrated his righteousness with a chemical peel and facial tightening
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 10, 2005, 08:54:53 PM
rumor has it that Skippy celebrated his righteousness with a chemical peel and facial tightening
Is it true that Skippy & Jeri Jones share the same facialist?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 10, 2005, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 10, 2005, 08:54:53 PM
rumor has it that Skippy celebrated his righteousness with a chemical peel and facial tightening
Is it true that Skippy & Jeri Jones share the same facialist?
i never thought about it, but good call.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 10, 2005, 08:57:39 PM
Is it true that Skippy & Jeri Jones share the same facialist?
They may even share the same facial.
They both know if you want the best facials you go to Mandingo.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 10, 2005, 06:22:49 PM
Skippy finally weighs in on T.O. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/051110)
I'm sorry. Even though I'm a lot more receptive to the TO bashing from 'ol Skippy... I still can't get through one of his bitchfest articles.
ESPN is reporting that the NFL Grievance hearing scheduled this week in New York, has been moved to the Eagles Novacare Complex, to facilitate testimony by Andy Reid, Donovan McNabb, and other players. Hmmm ..... Rosenpuke, TO, Reid, McNabb, Douglas all in the same room. Sounds like a party.
No Linky yet.
Quote from: Reidme on November 15, 2005, 04:23:16 PM
ESPN is reporting that the NFL Grievance hearing scheduled this week in New York, has been moved to the Eagles Novacare Complex, to facilitate testimony by Andy Reid, Donovan McNabb, and other players. Hmmm ..... Rosenpuke, TO, Reid, McNabb, Douglas all in the same room. Sounds like a party.
No Linky yet.
ESPN should put that on pay per view, they'd make a fortune.
This should be interesting. They should put it on pay per view!
"Eagles WR #81" is answering questions on his MB. The only newsworthy note is that he tried to call Dunvun....
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 15, 2005, 11:26:12 PM
"Eagles WR #81" is answering questions on his MB. The only newsworthy note is that he tried to call Dunvun....
I feel dumber for having read anything he wrote. I won't make that mistake again.
Call me crazy, and I very well could be. Either that or suffering from sleep depravation...
But Trotter seemed to indicated last night that if TO and Andy & Donovan had a heart to heart that the possibility of a return, albeit a very small one, isn't out of the question.
Trotter said that TO and Andy got along great and that he loves TO as a person but the outside influences (I took that as him meaning No Comment Drew) got to be too much and the almost weekly sessions on ESPN/his radio show were a burden.
Now Trotter didn't come out and say this but he seemed to be leaning very strongly towards it.
And Gargano also said that he was told that Andy was going to let TO come back but was talked out of it by other people.
why on gods earth would you ever let TO back...in fact why are people even entertaining it as a thought...even with him the eagles are going nowhere fast and theyve already looked pathetic enough thru all this if they were to let him back it would be saddenly embarrassing...in fact if i were the eagles i wouldnt even be going thru all this greuivance garbage...just pay him and send him home
If the Eagles let that icehole back, I'm done watching them for the rest of this season.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 16, 2005, 09:08:04 AM
If the Eagles let that icehole back, I'm done watching them for the rest of this season.
I can't make myself say that, but if they let him back I will officially join the fire andy reid bandwagon.
The fact that we are still talking about that corksucker makes me want to punch something.
He's destroyed the 2005 season and now some members of the team are beginning to lobby for his return.
Wonderful. How many more disruptions are the Eagles going to tolerate from that jerkoff before someone comes out and says "no more!"
I'm telling you, if they knuckle under to that piece of garbage, I'm done with them. He's done nothing but divide the team since he arrived in Philly and I want him gone, period.
My bets for "the other people" who talked him out of it: Lurie, Banner, Childress, Morenwheig, Heckert, and McNabb. Although it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine this scenario:
McNabb's MRI comes back indicating he's injured NOW more seriously and that he'd be served better by getting his surgery now and rehabbing and after talking to Ried, the Eagles put him on IR; Reid has a pow wow with all of those concerned and decides to allow Owens to come back on the following conditions:
1. He gags that stupid agent from saying anything.
2. He himself agrees NOT TO MAKE ANY DEROGATORY STATEMENTS about the team while he is employed by the team.
Seriously... shut up. He's not coming back.
I think Lurie and Banner probably had the biggest influence since TO called them classless and called Deek Boyko a liar.
I'm not saying that this is fact, but it was just the impression I got from listening to Trotter speak.
And hes not the only one who said they'd welcome TO back. Westbrook and others have said it too.
According to Trotter (and he was recounting what Sheldon said) the relationship between TO and Donovan was getting better because of the gathering at Kearse's house. He said that TO and Donovan were handing out Halloween candy and having a good time.
My vote would be to keep the situation status quo. If they brought him back the soap opera would be 100x bigger than last week.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2005, 09:32:20 AM
I think Lurie and Banner probably had the biggest influence since TO called them classless and called Deek Boyko a liar.
I'm not saying that this is fact, but it was just the impression I got from listening to Trotter speak.
And hes not the only one who said they'd welcome TO back. Westbrook and others have said it too.
According to Trotter (and he was recounting what Sheldon said) the relationship between TO and Donovan was getting better because of the gathering at Kearse's house. He said that TO and Donovan were handing out Halloween candy and having a good time.
My vote would be to keep the situation status quo. If they brought him back the soap opera would be 100x bigger than last week.
Can you imagine if they brought back TO and McMahon threw a couple of TD passes to TO and hit him long a few times what you would be hearing in Philly? Especially if TO compliments McMahon and subtly takes a shot at McNabb?
"We could have done this all along!" "McMahon has a better arm and vision!" "TO is the man!" "Keep TO, Release McNabb!"
It would be a friggin' circus.
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God, I love her...
:drool
Quote from: Eaglez on November 16, 2005, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2005, 09:32:20 AM
I think Lurie and Banner probably had the biggest influence since TO called them classless and called Deek Boyko a liar.
I'm not saying that this is fact, but it was just the impression I got from listening to Trotter speak.
And hes not the only one who said they'd welcome TO back. Westbrook and others have said it too.
According to Trotter (and he was recounting what Sheldon said) the relationship between TO and Donovan was getting better because of the gathering at Kearse's house. He said that TO and Donovan were handing out Halloween candy and having a good time.
My vote would be to keep the situation status quo. If they brought him back the soap opera would be 100x bigger than last week.
Can you imagine if they brought back TO and McMahon threw a couple of TD passes to TO and hit him long a few times what you would be hearing in Philly? Especially if TO compliments McMahon and subtly takes a shot at McNabb?
"We could have done this all along!" "McMahon has a better arm and vision!" "TO is the man!" "Keep TO, Release McNabb!"
It would be a friggin' circus.
It's already come to that on the EMB.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 16, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on November 16, 2005, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2005, 09:32:20 AM
I think Lurie and Banner probably had the biggest influence since TO called them classless and called Deek Boyko a liar.
I'm not saying that this is fact, but it was just the impression I got from listening to Trotter speak.
And hes not the only one who said they'd welcome TO back. Westbrook and others have said it too.
According to Trotter (and he was recounting what Sheldon said) the relationship between TO and Donovan was getting better because of the gathering at Kearse's house. He said that TO and Donovan were handing out Halloween candy and having a good time.
My vote would be to keep the situation status quo. If they brought him back the soap opera would be 100x bigger than last week.
Can you imagine if they brought back TO and McMahon threw a couple of TD passes to TO and hit him long a few times what you would be hearing in Philly? Especially if TO compliments McMahon and subtly takes a shot at McNabb?
"We could have done this all along!" "McMahon has a better arm and vision!" "TO is the man!" "Keep TO, Release McNabb!"
It would be a friggin' circus.
It's already come to that on the EMB.
Doesn't suprise me. That place already is a circus.
Whoever that photographer is should be paid handsomely for that photo. What a lucky bastich.
Spew reiterating the obvious and commenting on Trotter opening his big mouth again...
QuoteI can't wait to hear Trotter explain himself for this one.... All of these words ... this is part of the reason the Eagles are struggling .. too many shows, too many words without realizing the consquences of what he's saying. Owens will not be back.
thanks, baldy. like we didnt know that.
I will officially join the fire andy reid bandwagon
grab your funny hat and jump on buddy
Quote from: MDS on November 16, 2005, 10:21:20 AM
thanks, baldy. like we didnt know that.
I was more interested in his take on Trotter opening up his sewer on the radio than his obvious perspective on T.O.
Even with T.O. gone, he's still tearing the team apart.
It's just plain sickening. We should have burned him when we had the chance.
Whew. This season can't end soon enough for me.
Quote from: Zanshin on November 16, 2005, 10:33:07 AM
Whew. This season can't end soon enough for me.
What are you talking about? It's already over.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 10:38:00 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on November 16, 2005, 10:33:07 AM
Whew. This season can't end soon enough for me.
What are you talking about? It's already over.
Yeah, really. When
FF starts a thread about the season being over, you'd think these imbeciles would listen.
I'd like to hear someone other than Trotter or Dawkins give the "TO isn't that bad" stuff. I'm not sure if it's really a majority like Trot thinks it is....
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 16, 2005, 11:28:38 AM
I'd like to hear someone other than Trotter or Dawkins give the "TO isn't that bad" stuff. I'm not sure if it's really a majority like Trot thinks it is....
It doesn't farging matter. T.O. isn't farging coming back. Trotter is not the brightest guy around, and wallowing in this situation is simply not worth it. Please, for the love or hatred or indifference of God (whichever you prefer),
let it go. This message has been brought to you by someone who's not a lemming moron douche. Thanks.
I never said he was coming back. I'm just saying that Trotter is biased...
I for one am not convinces that FF is not a lemming moron douche. We should dicuss this.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 11:33:27 AM
I for one am not convinces that FF is not a lemming moron douche. We should dicuss this.
It is certainly a more valid discussion than whether or not 81 is returning.
And there is my point, good man.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 16, 2005, 11:31:11 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 16, 2005, 11:28:38 AM
I'd like to hear someone other than Trotter or Dawkins give the "TO isn't that bad" stuff. I'm not sure if it's really a majority like Trot thinks it is....
It doesn't farging matter. T.O. isn't farging coming back. Trotter is not the brightest guy around, and wallowing in this situation is simply not worth it. Please, for the love or hatred or indifference of God (whichever you prefer), let it go. This message has been brought to you by someone who's not a lemming moron douche. Thanks.
So who told you what to type??
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 16, 2005, 01:55:43 PM
So who told you what to type??
The POlice. They always be raggin' me, dawg.
People always be stabbing me.
I actually do hope TO comes back. Most of everyone wanted him gone because they thought he disrupted the team, the chemistry, etc. Well since he's left we are 0-2. It can't get any worse right now. Might as well ride it out with TO and see where we end up.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 04:41:28 PM
I actually do hope TO comes back. Most of everyone wanted him gone because they thought he disrupted the team, the chemistry, etc. Well since he's left we are 0-2. It can't get any worse right now. Might as well ride it out with TO and see where we end up.
How utterly shocking.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 04:41:28 PM
I actually do hope TO comes back. Most of everyone wanted him gone because they thought he disrupted the team, the chemistry, etc. Well since he's left we are 0-2. It can't get any worse right now. Might as well ride it out with TO and see where we end up.
if terrell owens need to get blown by some dude to save his life, im sure you would hop on the first plane to atlanta and swallow your way to the front.
Uhhh.. something like that.
no. that. not something like that. that. you'd do it.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 04:41:28 PM
I actually do hope TO comes back. Most of everyone wanted him gone because they thought he disrupted the team, the chemistry, etc. Well since he's left we are 0-2. It can't get any worse right now. Might as well ride it out with TO and see where we end up.
I thought you were rooting for the Eagles to lose so they could have a higher first round draft pick.
Quote from: MDS on November 16, 2005, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 04:41:28 PM
I actually do hope TO comes back. Most of everyone wanted him gone because they thought he disrupted the team, the chemistry, etc. Well since he's left we are 0-2. It can't get any worse right now. Might as well ride it out with TO and see where we end up.
if terrell owens need to get blown by some dude to save his life, im sure you would hop on the first plane to atlanta and swallow your way to the front.
Well said, sir.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 16, 2005, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 04:41:28 PM
I actually do hope TO comes back. Most of everyone wanted him gone because they thought he disrupted the team, the chemistry, etc. Well since he's left we are 0-2. It can't get any worse right now. Might as well ride it out with TO and see where we end up.
I thought you were rooting for the Eagles to lose so they could have a higher first round draft pick.
Well you thought wrong.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 16, 2005, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 04:41:28 PM
I actually do hope TO comes back. Most of everyone wanted him gone because they thought he disrupted the team, the chemistry, etc. Well since he's left we are 0-2. It can't get any worse right now. Might as well ride it out with TO and see where we end up.
I thought you were rooting for the Eagles to lose so they could have a higher first round draft pick.
Well you thought wrong.
I thought that because that's what you posted, assface.
You should know better than to believe anything he says.
QuoteFor Eagles, time for decisions and revisions
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
Nine games into the season, the Eagles are 4-5, buried at the bottom of the NFC East, and looking at the distinct possibility of playing their final seven games without their two most prominent offensive playmakers.
"That's a hell of a dream," Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard said. "I don't think anybody could have guessed that."
If that's what Sheppard calls a dream, then he must have some really gruesome nightmares.
"When this season started... I don't think one guy in this locker room would have thought for one second that we would be 4-5 and without our top playmakers," offensive guard Artis Hicks said. "But that's football, man. That's why you try to put together the best team you can. That's what the management upstairs and the head coach are for, and we just have to keep fighting."
There's probably nothing the Eagles can do at this point to save quarterback Donovan McNabb's season. Coach Andy Reid announced yesterday that McNabb would not play Sunday against the New York Giants.
It won't surprise anybody if the Eagles announce today or tomorrow that their quarterback is going to have season-ending surgery to repair the sports hernia that has hampered him since opening night in Atlanta.
"I will have the surgery," McNabb said. "I have already made that decision. It's pretty much a matter of when I will have it. That will be the very first surgery I have ever had, so I'm not in a hurry to get under the knife. That's just being a human being. I don't think anybody is excited about having surgery."
McNabb said his decision on whether his trip to the operating table will come sooner rather than later will be made after he meets today with William Meyers, a Philadelphia-based surgeon who is an expert on sports hernias.
Mike McMahon, the fifth-year veteran out of Rutgers, will replace McNabb against the Giants.
As for the Eagles' other missing playmaker, they still have the option of bringing wide receiver Terrell Owens back if that's what they want to do. There's absolutely no indication that Reid intends to change his mind about the four-game suspension he imposed on Owens 11 days ago.
Regardless of what arbitrator Richard Bloch decides after tomorrow's hearing, there's no reason to think that Owens will ever slip on an Eagles uniform and flap his arms again. Still, there are those inside the Eagles' locker room who believe that Owens deserves another chance and that this team would be better off with No. 81 lining up and catching passes.
Linebacker Jeremiah Trotter voiced that opinion after Monday night's disheartening loss to the Dallas Cowboys and again Tuesday on his weekly WIP radio show.
"We believe T.O.'s a good guy at heart, and he can rectify the problem," Trotter said. "And if he can rectify the problem, why wouldn't we want T.O. on the team? I think it comes down to him talking to Andy and saying: 'Hey, coach, I want to come back, and I want to do things the right way.' That's it. It's that simple."
Trotter did not make an appearance in the locker room while it was open to the media yesterday.
Sheppard said he would be in favor of bringing Owens back.
"From my perspective, I'd vote for him to come back," the cornerback said. "That's just my opinion. Take a survey of the locker room, and see what you get."
There's not enough availability or time to take such a survey in one day, but Sheppard thought he had an inkling of what his teammates would say about T.O. returning.
"Some people might not answer that question, and I'm quite sure you'll get some nos," Sheppard said. "But I think the majority will say yes."
Even cornerback Sheldon Brown, who expressed tremendous disappointment in Owens last week, said he'd welcome back the wide receiver.
"I may be in that situation someday where I'm crying out for help, and I don't want anyone to turn their back on me," Brown said. "I never give up on anyone. But he's got to do some stuff, too. He can't just walk right in here. They're not going to be, 'Oh, welcome back,' and open their arms."
Hicks and wide receiver Greg Lewis declined to comment on their feelings about Owens returning.
"It doesn't matter what I think," Lewis said. "There's no point in answering because it's not my decision. It's up to Coach Reid, an arbitrator, and whoever else is in charge of all of that stuff."
A sports-hernia specialist will determine McNabb's fate today, an arbitrator will hear Owens' case tomorrow, and the Eagles will return to the playing field two days after that without either of their star offensive players.
This is quite a season they're having.
the players have TO's back and not donovans???....no way...
if he ever really had it donovan has now lost the locker room for good...wait until he sings like a bird at the hearing...its gonna get real ugly after that
Dude, what the farg are you talking about?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 09:10:58 AM
the players have TO's back and not donovans???....no way...
if he ever really had it donovan has now lost the locker room for good...wait until he sings like a bird at the hearing...its gonna get real ugly after that
Are you really that delusional or do you just post idiotic shtein like this to provoke other people here?
Seriously, dude, your trolling is getting to the point where anything you post is going to be ignored or outright ridiculed. Is that what you want?
???
are you saying the majority of the locker room is not behind TO or would not take him back in a heartbeat
are you saying a good portion of the lockeroom doesnt consider mcnabb an extension of reid and the front office and thus dont fully trust him
are you saying that when he comes into the hearing and backs the birds organization against TO by ripping him that heads the locker room arent going to trust him even less
If you think Donovan doesn't have the locker room, then you're a farging dumbass.
That's what I'm saying.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:16:24 AM
are you saying the majority of the locker room is not behind TO or would not take him back in a heartbeat
Yes.
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are you saying a good portion of the lockeroom doesnt consider mcnabb an extension of reid and the front office and thus dont fully trust him
I'm saying they trust him. As well they should.
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are you saying that when he comes into the hearing and backs the birds organization against TO by ripping him that heads the locker room arent going to trust him even less
Yes.
excuse me if i dont trust you two right now and would like wait until i hear this outpouring of support to come out of the locker room for mcnabb
TO has publicly gone after Donovan unprompted several times. Donovan has only responded to TO's comments. Donovan is the best QB the Eagles have had historically, and TO could have been the best reciever. Unfortunatly TO is not mature enough to stick with a team when they're struggling. It is easy to put the Eagles problems on one player but the suck has been a team effort. D stinks, Oline stinks, no running game. How the heck can anyone put it on one player......
When Skip Bayless dies, the world will be a better place (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/051117)
guess what. hes writing about owens again. amazing.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 17, 2005, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:16:24 AM
are you saying the majority of the locker room is not behind TO or would not take him back in a heartbeat
Yes.
Quote
are you saying a good portion of the lockeroom doesnt consider mcnabb an extension of reid and the front office and thus dont fully trust him
I'm saying they trust him. As well they should.
Quote
are you saying that when he comes into the hearing and backs the birds organization against TO by ripping him that heads the locker room arent going to trust him even less
Yes.
Why do you continue to waste time with Eminem's little brother?
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 17, 2005, 02:03:19 PM
Why do you continue to waste time with Eminem's little brother?
Can't help it. I actually agree with a lot of his opinions, but this one is completely out of whack. Oh yeah, and it helps pass the time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:31:47 AM
excuse me if i dont trust you two right now and would like wait until i hear this outpouring of support to come out of the locker room for mcnabb
Yeah, you'd rather trust the voices in your head instead of using common sense.
Yeah, you'd rather trust the voices in your head instead of using common sense.
more players have gone on record as wanting TO back than have in defending mcnabb...this is especially telling in that the easy thing to do would be to support mcnabb as supporting him would ingraciate oneself to the coach and FO
common sense tells me that there are many more players who are pro TO but are afraid to say so
thing is we are on the same side here...both of us depsie TO and like donovan...but you believe if you were to admit that the team is on TO's side that somehow makes you a donovan hater...when in reality it makes you honest
it looks like some defenders want TO back. Maybe because they play like junk this year and hope someone else will make it up for them.
So, what. You want players to come out and say they want McNabb back or something?
Or you want them to come out and blast a guy who's still technically on the team. Doing that couldn't possibly cause any problems whatsoever.
Quote from: MDS on November 17, 2005, 01:58:46 PM
When Skip Bayless dies, the world will be a better place (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/051117)
guess what. hes writing about owens again. amazing.
He'll be proven wrong on this one. The Eagles have more dirt on Owens then they'd dare to admit beforehand.
You want players to come out and say they want McNabb back or something?
i dont want anything...except for TO gone....mission accomplished
one day people will realize that not every post i make has a hidden agenda
Owens may face road Bloch in arbitration case
Rob Becker / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 5 minutes ago
Terrell Owens will never play for the Philadelphia Eagles again. And he won't play for anyone else this year.
That's because he and the players' union will be asking arbitrator Richard Bloch on Friday to stand contract law on its head and to ignore the type of behavior that was referred to in Philadelphia 229 years ago as "a long train of abuses."
There are two parts to Owens' suspension, and we need to look at them separately before getting to their combined effect — the four-game suspension without pay, and the five games remaining in the Eagles' season thereafter, during which, according to Philly coach Andy Reid, Owens will be paid his salary to stay home.
Rob Becker is Fox Sports Net's legal analyst, a litigator in New York City, and a regular contributor to FOXSports.com.
Let's take the second part first. Owens has a contract with the Eagles under which he performs services for the team and, in exchange, they pay him money. Under that contract, they owe him money as long as he is willing to render his services and he can take legal action if they don't pay him. But what they don't owe him is the opportunity to perform services for them — the obligation to perform services is the one he has to them and, in effect, during those last five games they will be waiving their right to receive his services. But as long as they will be paying him during those five games, he has nothing to complain about.
The NFL Players Association argues that under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, suspensions are limited to four games, and the Eagles are violating the CBA by suspending him for nine games. The team doesn't agree that the latter five games are a "suspension," but we need not carry over that semantic argument.
Rather, we should look at the CBA itself. Article VIII of the CBA covers "Club Discipline," and Section 1(a) of that article sets forth a "maximum discipline schedule" for various infractions. There are 13 listed, the last of which is "Conduct detrimental to Club." The first 12 simply state maximum fines. For "Conduct detrimental to Club," the schedule reads: "maximum fine of an amount equal to one week's salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks."
In the context of this schedule of 13 infractions, I think it's clear that the rule for detrimental conduct is only purporting to address the limit on how big a financial penalty a team can assess a player, not how long they can keep him out of uniform. The Conduct detrimental to Club penalty only refers to "suspension without pay," and that's not surprising, because it's hard to believe that the NFL would have gone along with a rule that allows NFL players, unlike other workers, to force their employers to accept their services even if the team is not denying them their salary. Yet the union is arguing that that's what the rule means.
There is precedent for the Eagles' action anyway. Keyshawn Johnson was sent home with pay for the last six games of the 2003 season by the Buccaneers. The union tries to differentiate Johnson's case in two ways: First, they say Johnson didn't want the union to file a grievance. But the union can file a grievance even if a player doesn't want them to.
Some fans in Philly have already rendered their verdict regarding the fate of controversial receiver Terrell Owens. (Miles Kennedy / Associated Press)
Second, Gene Upshaw, Executive Director of the NFLPA, has said of the Johnson situation: "There was no suspension there. A team has the right to inactivate a player for whatever reason it wants." But surely a team's right to tell a player to stay home with pay can't depend on whether they suspend him without pay first. Yet Upshaw is saying the Eagles can't send Owens home with pay because — unlike the Johnson situation — they suspended him without pay first. So how can he say that a team can de-activate a player for whatever reason it wants? Apparently, according to Upshaw, there are limits.
But let's put Johnson aside. There is another argument that the union could make. They could say the five-game suspension with pay denies Owens the chance to earn the incentive bonuses set forth in his contract, so it really does have a financial effect on him in addition to the four games without pay. In a sense, they would be arguing that the club was breaching its contractual duty of good faith by preventing Owens from achieving the goals that would obligate them to pay him more.
I think this argument has some validity, but it won't carry the day, because the Eagles would counter that Owens was never guaranteed the chance to get to his incentive goals. They would point out that they have the right to play a different wide receiver because they think he's more skillful than Owens and therefore gives the team a better chance to win. Similarly, they can decide to play a different wide receiver because he's not disruptive and for that reason gives the team a better chance to win. If Bloch were to accept the incentive clause argument, he would be interfering with Coach Reid's right to make decisions that he believes — rightly or wrongly — to be in the Eagles' best interest as a team. And besides, Upshaw has admitted that the union can't force the Eagles to play Owens.
If the union or Owens were alleging that the Eagles were not playing Owens for the purpose of making sure he didn't achieve his incentive goals, then Bloch would surely rule for Owens with regard to the last five games, because the Eagles would be intentionally assessing a financial penalty in excess of the allowable maximum. But Jeff Kessler, the union's outside counsel, confirmed to me on Monday that even the union is not alleging that the Eagles plan to keep Owens home because they want to avoid paying him incentive bonuses.
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Part 2 to the above article:
Now let's look at the four-game suspension without pay. Rich Berthelsen, the NFLPA's general counsel, has made several arguments. First, he notes that on November 5, the day before the first game of the suspension, the Eagles stated only that Owens would be suspended for that game. Then on the day after that game, they announced the suspension without pay would be for four games.
Berthelsen has been quoted as saying: "What the Eagles did is like a judge sentencing a defendant on a Friday for a month, and then he comes back on Monday and says, 'No, let's make that four months.' "
That analogy is inapt. When the Eagles announced on that Saturday that Owens would miss the next day's game, they said his future status would be addressed the following week. Given the last-minute nature of the announcement, it's clear that they were, in effect, saying Owens would be suspended for at least one game and they'd determine the full length of the suspension after they'd had more time to think about it.
This is really like a judge initially saying, "I don't have enough time or information right now to determine whether to issue an injunction on a permanent basis, so I'll issue a temporary restraining order," and then, after having more time to look at the facts, deciding that the injunction would indeed be permanent. This is certainly nothing like double jeopardy, as the union seems to be suggesting.
Next, the NFLPA has stressed that discipline must be progressive — that the Eagles can't refrain from disciplining Owens for his previous infractions and then suddenly suspend him without pay for the full four games.
But this argument ignores the fact that the Eagles sent Owens home for a week during training camp because of his behavior. This suspension wasn't without pay for the simple reason that players aren't paid during the preseason, but it's still a first step on the road of progressive discipline.
Finally, the union will argue that the four-game suspension without pay is inconsistent with the discipline assessed to other NFL players. But, first of all, Section 3 of Article VIII of the CBA, on "Uniformity," only mandates that a disciplinary penalty assessed by a team be consistent with other penalties assessed by that team, not with penalties assessed by other teams.
And it seems safe to say that no Eagle has ever engaged in what the Declaration of Independence — in a somewhat different context — called "a long train of abuses." The cars in this train allegedly include: Owens telling Reid to shut up, Owens telling offensive coordinator Brad Childress not to speak to him unless he spoke to Childress first, and Owens saying he will not give his full effort. So it appears the Eagles are free to exercise their discretion and penalize Owens the maximum four games without pay. In the real world where you and I live, you could get fired for doing any one of those things.
But, assuming the team can suspend Owens with pay for as long as they want, what happens if the arbitrator rules the suspension without pay is too long and Owens should have been suspended without pay for, say, two games? That just means the two-game suspension without pay will be followed by a seven-game suspension with pay. All we're talking about is money. Either way, Owens stays home.
So even if the arbitrator ends up deciding four games without pay is too much, if you want to see Owens whip out a Sharpie again, you'll have to wait till next year
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 02:17:57 PM
Yeah, you'd rather trust the voices in your head instead of using common sense.
more players have gone on record as wanting TO back than have in defending mcnabb...this is especially telling in that the easy thing to do would be to support mcnabb as supporting him would ingraciate oneself to the coach and FO
common sense tells me that there are many more players who are pro TO but are afraid to say so
thing is we are on the same side here...both of us depsie TO and like donovan...but you believe if you were to admit that the team is on TO's side that somehow makes you a donovan hater...when in reality it makes you honest
Except that I don't believe the "team" is on T.O.'s side. A few vocal players have come out in support of him because they want to win at any and all costs. Well, sorry but the Eagles as an organization don't play it that way.
They want to win, sure, but they want to win with class, dignity and as a "team." T.O. has singlehandedly turned the concept of "team" into a motherfarging joke and Reid & Co. are doing whatever they can to erase his influence.
If Trotter and Lito want to play with Owens, fine, I don't blame them. They can wait around until their contracts run the farg out and then follow him like sheep wherever he ends up. The bottom line here is, it won't be in Philly.
There is no negative in coming back. Everyone here wants him to stay gone simply because they are tired of him. I want the team to be the best it can be. TO coming back helps the team. It's not like he can disrupt the chemistry. We haven't won without him yet.
Glen Macnow just said he heard that a settlement between the Eagles and TO might be made by tonight.
He said the rumor is TO would be paid for the taterskins game, not paid for the Cowboys game, be suspended for the Giants game, and then he could come back and play out the rest of the season with the team.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 17, 2005, 08:29:11 PM
Glen Macnow just said he heard that a settlement between the Eagles and TO might be made by tonight.
He said the rumor is TO would be paid for the taterskins game, not paid for the Cowboys game, be suspended for the Giants game, and then he could come back and play out the rest of the season with the team.
::)
YOu're farging delusional if you believe this.
hes never coming back. why cant you understand that. they gave his locker to spach. they took his stupid page of the website. they took his pictures down at the facility. he is gone. done. never coming back. stop.
Yesterday I would've agreed and I still probably do agree, but after that ESPN report where a bunch of players are lobbying for TO to come back there's still a chance. If enough people do it he'll be back because the majority always wins.
Just posting what I heard though.
andy is a stubborn control freak. he is not going back on his word.
Well I heard that you're leavin' (leavin')
Gonna leave me far behind (so far behind)
'Cause you found a brand new lover
You decided that I'm not your kind (aahh..)
So I pulled (I pulled) your name out (name out) of my Rolodex (oohh..)
And I tore all your pictures in two
And I burned down the malt shop where we used to go
Just because it reminds me of you (dippity dippity doo)
That's right (that's right) you ain't gonna see me cryin'
I'm glad (I'm glad) that you found somebody new
'Cause I'd rather spend eternity eating shards of broken glass
Than spend one more minute with you
I guess I might seem kinda bitter
You got me feeling down in the dumps
'Cause I'm stranded all alone in the gas station of love
And I have to use the self-service pumps
Oh, so honey, let me help you with that suitcase
You ain't (you ain't) gonna break my heart in two
'Cause I'd rather get a hundred thousand paper cuts on my face
Than spend one more minute with you
I'd rather rip out my intestines with a fork
Than watch you going out with other men
I'd rather slam my fingers in a door (yah)
Again and again and again and again and again
Oh, can't you see what I'm tryin' to say, Darlin...
I'd rather have my blood sucked out by leeches (leeches)
Shove an icepick under a toenail or two
I'd rather clean all the bathrooms in Grand Central Station with my tongue
Than spend one more minute with you
Yes, I'd rather jump naked on a huge pile of thumbtacks
Or stick my nostrils together with crazy glue
I'd rather dive into a swimming pool filled with double-edged razor blades
Than spend one more minute with you
I'd rather rip my heart out of my ribcage with my bare hands
and then throw it on the floor and stomp on it 'till I die
Than spend one more minute with you
what?
God damn kids. Learn your classic music.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 09:18:55 PM
God damn kids. Learn your classic music.
Those lyrics are "weird."
Tee hee.
:paranoid
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 09:18:55 PM
God damn kids. Learn your classic music.
id rather smoke the marijuana like a cigarette and listen to my "fity" cent and usher.
I also heard the Macnow report. I am at work so I only have access to this crummy dial-up and WIP...no ESPNews and stuff like that.
But Glenn said that the players want him back and reports are that the overwhelming amount of support for him might have made the team change their mind.
But nothing was confirmed or denied by the team. The only thing that is known for sure is that TO and his people and negotiating with the Eagles right now to try to avoid the hearing tomorrow.
ANd I heard a clip of Trotter on WIP from when he was on Cold Pizza saying that he and others want him back and even Donovan would want him back he believe dif TO made things right.
This is craaaaaazy.
All this is doing (players saying, mainly defense, they want TO back) is dividing the team. McNabb hates the ground he walks on, Reid knows this, McNabb is Reids boy................I have nothing to contribute.
The players need to stop doing two things.
1. Worrying about TO.
2. Sucking.
I simply cannot see the team bringing Owens back. Makes no sense.
The players would like him back, but they are assuming he'll "walk the line" the rest of the year. Does anyone really believe that he can keep his GD mouth shut for 2 months?
At this point there is nothing that would surprise me.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 10:26:52 PM
The players need to stop doing two things.
1. Worrying about TO.
2. Sucking.
GF, please don't modify my posts
Profanity filter. Live with it.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 10:57:22 PM
Profanity filter. Live with it.
I ended with "I have nothing to contribute", how is that profane?
wah wah
all hail neck beard
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 10:26:52 PM
The players need to stop doing two things.
1. Worrying about TO.
2. Sucking.
You got it all wrong man!
1. Sucking-Big Time
2. Worrying about TO.
Quote from: archer on November 17, 2005, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 10:57:22 PM
Profanity filter. Live with it.
I ended with "I have nothing to contribute", how is that profane?
It's in the filter. Has been for years. Nobody changed your zesty post.
Is there a divide in the locker room between the offensive and defensive players?
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: archer on November 17, 2005, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 10:57:22 PM
Profanity filter. Live with it.
I ended with "I have nothing to contribute", how is that profane?
It's in the filter. Has been for years. Nobody changed your zesty post.
Ha! I had some Zesty sauteed shrimp at Macaroni Grill tonight. I laugh every time i see that on the menu!
RENO RENO RENO RENO RENO RENO......................................
Sorry just got through watching Animal House on AMC. Edited version but still farging hilarious. Almost as funny as the South Park on right now bashing Scientology.
Spadaro is such a Hoyda. Maybe the reason the players don't mention TO around him is because they know he will run like a little girl and cry to Reid.
Now he's crying like a little bitch after Trotter's comments. He needs to grow a set.
Spaz (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=39802)
Dear God... please make it STOP!
The motherfarger ain't coming back. No matter what Totter, Lito or anyone else want. The ONLY one that might have the power to influence his coming back would be McNabb and I hope no one is silly enough to believe that he's gonna want to deal with TO's shtein anymore.
Jesus... even after getting the farger off the team... we still can't get away from him.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 18, 2005, 04:17:57 AM
Spadaro is such a Hoyda. Maybe the reason the players don't mention TO around him is because they know he will run like a little girl and cry to Reid.
Now he's crying like a little bitch after Trotter's comments. He needs to grow a set.
Spaz (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=39802)
So, you'd rather the team continues to discuss 81 in the media and give him more press, especially of the not-so-bad variety? Seriously, dcikbag, I agree with Spads on this one, and you should too.
Enough is enough of this shtein.
Spadaro is such a Hoyda. Maybe the reason the players don't mention TO around him is because they know he will run like a little girl and cry to Reid.
Now he's crying like a little bitch after Trotter's comments. He needs to grow a set.
that isnt spads that reid et al. talking thru him
i cant believe trotter said now with donovan hurt and probably gone for the year the one road block in keeping TO away is gone and he should come back...that is an AMAZING comment and to me as bad as anything TO has said (not defending TO at all btw)
as i suspected anyway donovan is finished...hes lost most of the city and now he has officially lost "his" team
keith jones made a good point...he said TO saw the weakness of this team and its leadership or its lack of...he knew that there wasnt much support for reid or mcnabb and that neither of them had the lockeroom at all and he seized on that and blasted a wedge right thru it
it will be very interesting to see what happens this offseason to the players that have supported TO during all this...you know with the way andy is he has to be fuming and will be out to get them
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 07:57:14 AM
as i suspected anyway donovan is finished...hes lost most of the city and now he has officially lost "his" team
You're a complete and TOTAL farging moron.
GF, get rid of this icehole already.
look im as upset as youre with all of this...its a terrible situation...and i realize everyone is on edge...but is there really a need for the profanities
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:07:12 AM
look im as upset as youre with all of this...its a terrible situation...and i realize everyone is on edge...but is there really a need for the profanities
Dude, please shut up.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 18, 2005, 08:10:38 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:07:12 AM
look im as upset as youre with all of this...its a terrible situation...and i realize everyone is on edge...but is there really a need for the profanities
Dude, please shut up.
Immediately.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:07:12 AM
look im as upset as youre with all of this...its a terrible situation...and i realize everyone is on edge...but is there really a need for the profanities
Yes, Eagles fans are all unhappy with the season at this point. However, most of us realize that blowing up the team and starting from scratch does not give us the best chance to raise a Lombardi trophy anytime in the near future. Alarmist idiots like yourself yearn for the days of lesser coaches, cheap ownership, and QB shuffling. Are Donovan and Andy and Jeff Lurie perfect? No. But if you're going to outright declare that these guys need to be replaced, why don't you put your "rep" on the line and say exactly how and with whom?
I can't wait to find out exactly how you think we can get this thing turned around. I want names of players and coaches. If you really want Donovan and Andy to go, you absolutely must have better replacements in mind. Go.
i cant believe yous are not shocked by that trotter comment...or is it that its a negative towards the team so its only to be discussed with shuts ups f bombs and doods (btw dont call me dood)...of course if this were about how greg lewis is going to blow up this year and set the league on fire youd be sending me hallmark e-cards
i dont know if its because youre so spoiled after the last five years or if its the kool aid but you have to know that bad things do happen to the eagles...everything cant always be puppies and flowers...and this kind of stuff needs to be talked about just as the good things...if nothing else its very therapeutic
If you're going to use ghetto slang like a homie, we can call you "d00d" whenever we farging please.
Anyway, I want names. Now. Who should coach the Eagles next year? Who should be the starting QB? Just go ahead and list a few possibilities for each so that we can bat them around and discuss.
I'm not shocked by Trotter's comments. He's trying to play peacemaker.
What I am shocked by is it is not only Trotter saying he wants him back. I saw several interviews on CSN this morning from guys saying they'd take him back of course they all said he must make amends prior to returning.
Trotter
Lito
L.J
Kalu
Walker
G.Lewis (on DNL)
And Kalu was one of the more outspoken guys saying how TO was wrong. But he said he would bring him back.
I'm not defending TO either. But what I do find interesting is how many supporters he has.
The one thing Trot said that did surprise me was that he thinks Donovan would take TO back.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:07:12 AM
look im as upset as youre with all of this...its a terrible situation...and i realize everyone is on edge...but is there really a need for the profanities
Shut the farg up.
This thread is getting really tense.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 18, 2005, 08:26:28 AM
I'm not shocked by Trotter's comments. He's trying to play peacemaker.
What I am shocked by is it is not only Trotter saying he wants him back. I saw several interviews on CSN this morning from guys saying they'd take him back of course they all said he must make amends prior to returning.
Trotter
Lito
L.J
Kalu
Walker
G.Lewis (on DNL)
And Kalu was one of the more outspoken guys saying how TO was wrong. But he said he would bring him back.
I'm not defending TO either. But what I do find interesting is how many supporters he has.
The one thing Trot said that did surprise me was that he thinks Donovan would take TO back.
Is it really guys saying that they "want him back" or is it guys saying that "they would take him back". There's a difference. Most of you guys obviously have more access to these philly sports shows than I do so you may be seeing things I don't. The only ones that
I've seen come out and said that they "want TO back" are Trotter and Lito. Reporters (like Sal) have been saying that other players "haven't said they don't want him back" and taking that to mean they want TO back on the team.
The players simple minds don't understand that Jeff/Joe/Andy cannot bring T.O. back now. There are underlying "political" and emotional reasons for it that a brain like Trotter's or Lito's can't comprehend.
1. The Eagles have made it clear that T.O. is done to everyone involved. They've cleaned out his locker. They've taken down his page on the website. Bringing him back shows a lack of resolve & a glut of desperation.
2. With T.O. certain to not receive his roster bonus in 2006 and to go elsewhere, bringing him back for the final 7 games of a 4-5 season tells other offensive players that they suck. That they left the team no other choice. They'd be renting him for 7 games of a season down the tubes. Why bother?
3. For the continuity of the offense and the team, it's better to play guys that have a chance of suiting up for you next year, when they'll presumably try to make another run at a Super Bowl.
Look, NFL players are not smart guys in general, especially some of the ones that have spoken out. Kalu seems to have a decent head on his shoulders, but he's also in the last year of a contract, and he knows how unlikely it is that he's on this team in 2006. So, what does he care about the long-term effects?
T.O. won't be back in an Eagles uniform, which is why debating this any further is an exercise in futility.
QuoteBLOCH TACKLING SETTLEMENT ISSUE
We've confirmed the report from ESPN's Sal Paolantonio that settlement talks have occurred regarding the Terrell Owens grievance challenging his four-game unpaid suspension. An arbitration hearing on the matter is set for Friday, before Richard Bloch.
A source close to the action tells us that Bloch, not the parties, is pushing for a settlement.
And the biggest sticking point, we're told, is an issue that isn't even before Bloch at the present time. For now, Bloch's mandate technically is to determine whether and to what extent the four-game suspension should be reduced. And if, in the end, Bloch imposes a suspension of at least two games, Owens will be owin' $1.725 million to the team under the clear bonus repayment terms of his contract.
The source explained that the NFLPA wants Owens to be reinstated or to be released. The Eagles insist, per the source, that Owens will not be a free agent, and that reinstatement is highly unlikely.
With that said, the team realizes that some players have expressed a desire to bring Owens back. In the end, the organization could use this as a way to save face, in the event that the franchise does a 180 on the question of whether T.O. ever suits up for the Eagles again.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 18, 2005, 08:38:16 AM
The players simple minds don't understand that Jeff/Joe/Andy cannot bring T.O. back now. There are underlying "political" and emotional reasons for it that a brain like Trotter's or Lito's can't comprehend.
1. The Eagles have made it clear that T.O. is done to everyone involved. They've cleaned out his locker. They've taken down his page on the website. Bringing him back shows a lack of resolve & a glut of desperation.
2. With T.O. certain to not receive his roster bonus in 2006 and to go elsewhere, bringing him back for the final 7 games of a 4-5 season tells other offensive players that they suck. That they left the team no other choice. They'd be renting him for 7 games of a season down the tubes. Why bother?
3. For the continuity of the offense and the team, it's better to play guys that have a chance of suiting up for you next year, when they'll presumably try to make another run at a Super Bowl.
Look, NFL players are not smart guys in general, especially some of the ones that have spoken out. Kalu seems to have a decent head on his shoulders, but he's also in the last year of a contract, and he knows how unlikely it is that he's on this team in 2006. So, what does he care about the long-term effects?
T.O. won't be back in an Eagles uniform, which is why debating this any further is an exercise in futility.
Well said.
However, most of us realize that blowing up the team and starting from scratch
only reid needs to be replaced...as for his replacement im not sure yet what may be out there...but what you do is move reid up to the front office and have him head a search for the best candidate...from day one reid was given to much power...he was a no name former offensive lineman qb coach who was given an absurd amount of power way to quickly...he shouldnt be gm...oc and head coach...of course reid probably wouldnt want to move upstairs and if thats the case say goodbye and banner and lurie will higher a new coach....they did a good job hiring reid they can do it again
the players are for the most part fine...certainly player personel wise nothing needs to be blown up...pieces need to be added and if done the right way they can be right back in the superbowl mix
tho i question his ability to win the big game and his leadership im nowhere near ready to jettison donovan...a change of scenery in the coahing dept i believe could do him well...
someone who wont coddle him for starters...for example if im the coach and my qb whos is a great runner blatantly tells me that he doesnt want to run then you best believe hes coming in my office and when he comes out hes going to be running the ball
a new offense...one that is geared more toward his strenghts...qb's win in football not systems...this is something andy doesnt realize...we wont get into clock management...play calling....gametime adjustments ect...
bottom line is a new atmosphere needs to come into this locker...one that doesnt put the qb above all other players...one that will bring a nasty attitude in...reid did his job and brought this team to where it is now and deserves much credit for that...but its clearly time for a change...
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 18, 2005, 08:37:46 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 18, 2005, 08:26:28 AM
I'm not shocked by Trotter's comments. He's trying to play peacemaker.
What I am shocked by is it is not only Trotter saying he wants him back. I saw several interviews on CSN this morning from guys saying they'd take him back of course they all said he must make amends prior to returning.
Trotter
Lito
L.J
Kalu
Walker
G.Lewis (on DNL)
And Kalu was one of the more outspoken guys saying how TO was wrong. But he said he would bring him back.
I'm not defending TO either. But what I do find interesting is how many supporters he has.
The one thing Trot said that did surprise me was that he thinks Donovan would take TO back.
Is it really guys saying that they "want him back" or is it guys saying that "they would take him back". There's a difference. Most of you guys obviously have more access to these philly sports shows than I do so you may be seeing things I don't. The only ones that I've seen come out and said that they "want TO back" are Trotter and Lito. Reporters (like Sal) have been saying that other players "haven't said they don't want him back" and taking that to mean they want TO back on the team.
Most of it is along the lines of "TO is a great player and wasn't a locker room trouble maker but his comments were out of line and I didn't like them. But I'd take him backif he made things right with Donovan and Andy".
That is the gist of what most of the guys I've heard are saying.
Is it really guys saying that they "want him back" or is it guys saying that "they would take him back".
both all everything...a few have even said how great a teammate TO is...not only is that very detrimental to the eagle arbitration case but its also clearly a shot over mcnabbs bow...its out of control now...andy has completely lost the locker room
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:42:13 AM
only reid needs to be replaced...as for his replacement im not sure yet what may be out there...but what you do is move reid up to the front office and have him head a search for the best candidate...from day one reid was given to much power...he was a no name former offensive lineman qb coach who was given an absurd amount of power way to quickly...he shouldnt be gm...oc and head coach...of course reid probably wouldnt want to move upstairs and if thats the case say goodbye and banner and lurie will higher a new coach....they did a good job hiring reid they can do it again
That's completely laughable. Is there any part of you that actually thinks that is a remote possibility or makes any sense whatsoever? That's probably the worst idea I've ever heard.
The exact opposite is a possibility - leaving final personnel decisions in the hands of Heckert and telling Reid to focus on coaching, but there's no way Reid would accept the GM job and have to find a new coach. NO WAY.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:45:09 AM
Is it really guys saying that they "want him back" or is it guys saying that "they would take him back".
both all everything...a few have even said how great a teammate TO is...not only is that very detrimental to the eagle arbitration case but its also clearly a shot over mcnabbs bow...its out of control now...andy has completely lost the locker room
How great a teammate he is?
LMFAO....right. Find me those quotes from a FEW (more than 2) players.
Is there any part of you that actually thinks that is a remote possibility or makes any sense whatsoever?
nope...but you didnt ask me what i thought would happen you aaked me what i would do
How great a teammate he is?
LMFAO....right. Find me those quotes from a FEW (more than 2) players.
greg lewis and lj both said it...im sure trotter has or would but i havent heard...and if that many have said it you can bet there are many more who believe it but wouldnt say it
look they are nuts and i totally disagree with them but thats not the point...i believe they are not so much supporting TO as they are bashing the front office and the qb...and the question is how did it get to that point...is it andy being part of the front office...is it a lack of faith and respect in the qb???...i mean what happened
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:53:13 AM
i believe they are not so much supporting TO as they are bashing the front office and the qb..
You're a farging moron. Keep making comments like this and you'll continue to be laughed at on this board on the same level as a troll is.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:42:13 AM
only reid needs to be replaced...as for his replacement im not sure yet what may be out there...but what you do is move reid up to the front office and have him head a search for the best candidate...from day one reid was given to much power...he was a no name former offensive lineman qb coach who was given an absurd amount of power way to quickly...he shouldnt be gm...oc and head coach...of course reid probably wouldnt want to move upstairs and if thats the case say goodbye and banner and lurie will higher a new coach....they did a good job hiring reid they can do it again
I disagree with you on Reid needing to go, bro. You don't take the guy out of the HC spot after one down year. 1999 doesn't count since that was the foundation year. But he's won a lot of games and while he doesn't have the big trophy to his credit, he is a very good coach. You simply do not remove him because they've suffered the Super Bowl Slump.
I was pretty vocal against him being the GM/HC back when he got it. I still do not like the dual roles because it creates a conflict in my opinion.
How can you say that Banner and Lurie made a good choice on hiring him but then want him gone? What has he really done to merit being fired if he was a "good hire"? And you can't fault him for being given the power. Would you turn down total control if you were in his shoes? I know I wouldn't.
But Reid doesn't deserve to go. If anything he should be just the HC and let Heckert be the GM.
Quotethe players are for the most part fine...certainly player personel wise nothing needs to be blown up...pieces need to be added and if done the right way they can be right back in the superbowl mix
Agreed.
Quotetho i question his ability to win the big game and his leadership im nowhere near ready to jettison donovan...a change of scenery in the coahing dept i believe could do him well...
I disagree here again. I think changing coaches is a detriment versus a good thing. Donovan needs to stay in the system that he knows. Like I said before 1 bad year shouldn't get Reid fired.
Quotesomeone who wont coddle him for starters...for example if im the coach and my qb whos is a great runner blatantly tells me that he doesnt want to run then you best believe hes coming in my office and when he comes out hes going to be running the ball
I agree that Reid should be more forceful in telling Donovan to do what it takes and if that means running then so be it. But that is something that you have to be gentle with because Donovan perceives that as a stereotype and he wants to break that. I applaud him for dedicating himself to being a better pocket passer and he;s done that. But I also think he should run more. But he has really become a good in-pocket QB. And we don't know that Donovan has blatantly declined to run or told Andy he refuses to do so. The way to do that is to approach Donovan with film facts and suggestions of like "Hey Don, you see that lane there after you went through your progressions? That could've been a 1st instead of a sack/punt"
Quotea new offense...one that is geared more toward his strenghts...qb's win in football not systems...this is something andy doesnt realize...we wont get into clock management...play calling....gametime adjustments ect...
I agree that Andy is too system oriented. But he also has broken the mold somewhat of the traditional WCO in the sense that he likes the deep ball. It took awhile to see that but it is here and that is Donovan's strength...throwing the intermediate-deep balls. So this offense is already a strength for him because he knows it. I want to keep the same offense. But I want more balance (as does everyone).
Quotebottom line is a new atmosphere needs to come into this locker...one that doesnt put the qb above all other players...one that will bring a nasty attitude in...reid did his job and brought this team to where it is now and deserves much credit for that...but its clearly time for a change...
Their philosophy is to build around the QB. I have no beef with that, but the change doesn't need to come after one year. The changes we need to see are more balance on offense, a different philosophy on defense in regards to the LBs and some other minor tinkering.
You don't blow the whole thing up after 5 very good years and then one bad year.
if you dont believe theres a good portion of the locker room that distrusts or plain dislikes andy because they associate him with the front office and the front office has a reputation of strong arming players then youre blind
youre also blind if you dont believe a large portion of the locker room believes that they should have just paid TO back in the spring and gotten this out of the way...but that they are to cheap to do that and its their fault
this is one of the problems with having the coach as gm...its one of the reasons buddy ryan was beloved...same thing with parcells...it cant be underestimated how important it is to have your players feel as though their coach is on their side...and i dont believe that exists in the eagle locker room...which is probably the biggest reason andy gotta go
Yeah, those offensive players sure loved Buddy Ryan and felt like he was on their side. ::)
I'm done reading your shtein. Its so ignorant, it gives me a headache.
Dawkins
Trotter
Smith
Lewis (Mike and Greg)
Those guys said that he is a good teammate. I'm not defending TO, but those guys did say it. I saw the clips on CSN and ESPN. The only one who hasn't said anything this week is Dawkins but hes said it in the past about how he loves TO.
And I don't see it as them taking shots at Reid or McNabb. I see it as them offering their opinions, much like we all are right now.
Trotter saying he thinks Donny Mac would take him back and Sheldon saying how TO and McNabb were getting along tell me that things might not be as terrible between the two as we think.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 18, 2005, 09:02:34 AM
Yeah, those offensive players sure loved Buddy Ryan and felt like he was on their side. ::)
what makes you say they didn't?
You don't take the guy out of the HC spot after one down year
its way bigger than their record or one down year...im not so naive to get rid of a coach because of one su 500 year...ive stated my many reasons why i believe he has to go in other posts so i wont do it again ill just say hes had plenty of chances to win this thing and he hasnt...its time for a change of scenery...tho im not comparing their accomplishments its akin in many ways to tampa getting rid of dungy and bringing in gruden
i don't think that the players wanting TO back is as deep as IGY thinks. I just think that they want the best possible team to try to salvage what's left for this year.
i'm sure there is some of the feelings towards Reid as the HC/GM that IGY thinks, but I don't think it's the driving factor in many players saying they want TO back.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 09:01:32 AM
if you dont believe theres a good portion of the locker room that distrusts or plain dislikes andy because they associate him with the front office and the front office has a reputation of strong arming players then youre blind
youre also blind if you dont believe a large portion of the locker room believes that they should have just paid TO back in the spring and gotten this out of the way...but that they are to cheap to do that and its their fault
this is one of the problems with having the coach as gm...its one of the reasons buddy ryan was beloved...same thing with parcells...it cant be underestimated how important it is to have your players feel as though their coach is on their side...and i dont believe that exists in the eagle locker room...which is probably the biggest reason andy gotta go
I agree with the HC/GM issue. And I do think that some players don't dig it and look at Andy as the guy who is keeping them from gettin paid. That's why I was not and still am not a fan of the dual roles for NFL HC's.
Golic just said that "many players want TO back but one guy who definitley does not want him back is Donovan McNabb".
And they also said that the lobby at the Airport Marriot right now is a frickin zoo...
wip is now reporting that reid wants TO back but banner and lurie are not letting him do it
fwiw to me its just lip service trying to salvage reid in the locker room
now they are also saying reid is refusing to go to the hearing
oh boy...
if AR is the head honcho of football operations, whouldn't it be his call to bring TO back or not? i thought Banner took his cues from AR?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 09:10:58 AM
wip is now reporting that reid wants TO back but banner and lurie are not letting him do it
fwiw to me its just lip service trying to salvage reid in the locker room
now they are also saying reid is refusing to go to the hearing
Did they say why he is refusing to go?
Maybe because he disgaree with Banner and Lurie?
Trotter said that Andy loves TO and cares a lot for him so maybe there is some truth to it?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 09:12:37 AM
oh boy...
if AR is the head honcho of football operations, whouldn't it be his call to bring TO back or not? i thought Banner took his cues from AR?
Thats how I see it too...
But it's gotta be that Banner and Lurie are hot about the "classless" comment and calling Boyko a liar.
This is interesting in that train-wreck kind of way.
when did the Boyko comment happen? i missed that one.
Wingo, Greenburg & Golic are saying that the hotel staff and even the chef have to be used as security at the hotel now because it is so nuts there....
they should've kept it at the Nova Care so they could control who can get in the gates.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 09:14:26 AM
when did the Boyko comment happen? i missed that one.
When he did the infamous rip job interview on ESPN. He never said Boyko's name but he said "the head PR guy" and that is Boyko. He said that his publicist spoke to him and Boyko told her that the team does not recognize indivdual achievements and TO said "that's a lie".
Did they say why he is refusing to go?
they arent saying why
i cant believe this is andy vs banner/lurie...i think its damage control in the locker room...and a very smart thing to do
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 18, 2005, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 09:14:26 AM
when did the Boyko comment happen? i missed that one.
When he did the infamous rip job interview on ESPN. He never said Boyko's name but he said "the head PR guy" and that is Boyko. He said that his publicist spoke to him and Boyko told her that the team does not recognize indivdual achievements and TO said "that's a lie".
oh ok, right. i remember that. that was another case TO spouting off without knowing whats going on.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 09:15:48 AM
they should've kept it at the Nova Care so they could control who can get in the gates.
They moved it because they didnt want the Three Ring Circus coming into their house or surrounding it like when TO reported back after the TC vacation when they had planes flying over and stuff.
I really want to know why Reid is refusing to go and if it is because he wants him back and the brass does not.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 09:16:24 AM
Did they say why he is refusing to go?
they arent saying why
i cant believe this is andy vs banner/lurie...i think its damage control in the locker room...and a very smart thing to do
I have a hard time believing it too...but wouldn't it be interesting if it was though?
And even if you're right...I agree its a good play on Reid.
He can say "Hey, I wanted him back so much I refused to even show up" and the players would have to respect that.
I really want to know why Reid is refusing to go and if it is because he wants him back and the brass does not
it wasnt 100% official...rhea literally took a call on air about it then reported that she was told reid wont be going...she didnt give the source
god dammit, you're going to make me listen to that garbage morning show now.
Remember this though..Reid took Hugh and Trotter back and said he did it because they're good people and he respects them.
And Reid has said that he thinks TO is a good person and Trot said that Reid loves TO...
I gotta go to the bank...I'll listen to the radio in the truck and see whats up.
He can say "Hey, I wanted him back so much I refused to even show up" and the players would have to respect that.
exactly
goes to my point that reid has lost the locker room and they are trying to salvage it for him
and yes it would be huge if reid was indeed at odds with banner/reid...but i just cant fathom a scenario where that would happen...and even if it were true no way that the birds let that info get out...it would give that much more power to TO and show that andy has that much less
now they are reporting reid will show...go to the hearing after practice at 2pm
Rhea said AR is going to testify but after practice, around 2pm
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 09:23:27 AM
Rhea said AR is going to testify but after practice, around 2pm
So, the whole report about him refusing to go was out-and-out bullshtein. Shocker.
And those who wish to believe the reports they hear on WIP should be proud. ::)
I especially like all of these conspiracy theory posts.
farging comedy at its finest.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 18, 2005, 09:36:20 AM
I especially like all of these conspiracy theory posts.
Banner and Lurie were on the grassy knoll. Reid's just a patsy who happened to be in the book depository.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 18, 2005, 08:45:55 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:45:09 AM
Is it really guys saying that they "want him back" or is it guys saying that "they would take him back".
both all everything...a few have even said how great a teammate TO is...not only is that very detrimental to the eagle arbitration case but its also clearly a shot over mcnabbs bow...its out of control now...andy has completely lost the locker room
How great a teammate he is?
LMFAO....right. Find me those quotes from a FEW (more than 2) players.
Switching gears is fun.
A few months ago you were all he's a good teammate, show me some quotes that he isn't, that thing in the elevator with McNabb and Hugh is total bullshtein and completely unsubstantiated, Skip Bayless is an idiot for calling him Terrible Owens, the media is just making a splash predicting a falling out with TO...
And now it's the complete opposite ::)
Phillygirl = Spadaro
Nice post, noob. ::)
Last season, there was NO ONE saying TO was a bad teammate. The guy was all-world teammate. Anyone who thought otherwise was crazy. He and McNabb got along like best friends, did interviews together, TO worked his ass off to get to the SB and play his ass of there.
Bayless was ripping TO all last season when at the TIME there was no reason to.
You point ME out as the only one here who thought that way? Go farg yourself.
Switching gears is fun.
A few months ago you were all he's a good teammate, show me some quotes that he isn't, that thing in the elevator with McNabb and Hugh is total bullshtein and completely unsubstantiated, Skip Bayless is an idiot for calling him Terrible Owens, the media is just making a splash predicting a falling out with TO...
And now it's the complete opposite
Phillygirl = Spadaro
^^^^
post of the year
i wasnt going to go there for fear of being banned...but well said
to be fair tho pg is far from alone
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 18, 2005, 09:43:26 AM
Nice post, noob. ::)
Last season, there was NO ONE saying TO was a bad teammate. The guy was all-world teammate. Anyone who thought otherwise was crazy. He and McNabb got along like best friends, did interviews together, TO worked his ass off to get to the SB and play his ass of there.
Bayless was ripping TO all last season when at the TIME there was no reason to.
You point ME out as the only one here who thought that way? Go farg yourself.
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Can we lock this thread and ban everyone?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:53:13 AM
greg lewis and lj both said it...
"He's our leader. If he's out, it's a major hit," tight end L.J. Smith said. "It's definitely a blow to our offense." (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-mcnabb&prov=ap&type=lgns)
lets go take more things out of context and read things that arent there because some dumb shtein producer or reporter needs a story.
From that same article:
Quote"Mike has a strong arm, he has good speed and he makes good decisions," running back Brian Westbrook said. "I'm confident in his ability to go out and make plays."
Uh-oh...looks like Westbrook has turned on McNabb. He hates him, he's lost him...they don't want him as their QB anymore. :P
I burn you. All of you. Burn you good.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 18, 2005, 09:49:25 AM
I burn you. All of you. Burn you good.
:-D :-D :-D
You burn us long time.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 18, 2005, 09:43:26 AM
Nice post, noob. ::)
Last season, there was NO ONE saying TO was a bad teammate. The guy was all-world teammate. Anyone who thought otherwise was crazy. He and McNabb got along like best friends, did interviews together, TO worked his ass off to get to the SB and play his ass of there.
Bayless was ripping TO all last season when at the TIME there was no reason to.
You point ME out as the only one here who thought that way? Go farg yourself.
That elevator thing happened in August, and the quotes of the media making a splash were in September ::)
I don't give a rats ass when the elevator story was.
You obviously haven't been here long enough to know I doubt just about EVERY SINGLE STORY that comes from "sources" that aren't named. Unless a story has a legitimate source behind it, with quotes to back it up, I doubt it. And rightfully so....since like 80% of what the media reports from "sources" is bonafide HORSEDUNG.
lets go take more things out of context and read things that arent there because some dumb shtein producer or reporter needs a story.
so you take one article from the net and that means i didnt see on sportcenter this morning where he said TO is a "great teammate"
why do you people reach so hard to deny what is going on just because its hurting the team...i dont get it
holy shtein! players used an elevator!
god damn this all, it's gone too far.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 09:54:44 AM
lets go take more things out of context and read things that arent there because some dumb shtein producer or reporter needs a story.
so you take one article from the net and that means i didnt see on sportcenter this morning where he said TO is a "great teammate"
why do you people reach so hard to deny what is going on just because its hurting the team...i dont get it
um...but i have said, just because one player gives support to TO...does not in any way mean he does not have the back of someone else as well.
Quote from: Wingspan on November 18, 2005, 09:55:13 AM
holy shtein! players used an elevator!
god damn this all, it's gone too far.
The question is....was it going up or down?
And IGY, did you just say that WE reach so hard?
LMFAO!! Ahhhhhhhahhahaa! You talking about reaching is quite possibly the funniest thing I've read all morning.
i report whats going on...whether good or bad
you deny anything that comes out negative and embrace all that is great in eagledom
walter cronkite < igy
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 09:58:36 AM
i report whats going on...whether good or bad
No, you make up completely baseless assumptions. Are you kidding me with your bullshtein right now?
Shut up, SHUT UP, SHUT UP!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 08:45:09 AM
Is it really guys saying that they "want him back" or is it guys saying that "they would take him back".
both all everything...a few have even said how great a teammate TO is...not only is that very detrimental to the eagle arbitration case but its also clearly a shot over mcnabbs bow...its out of control now...andy has completely lost the locker room
Quote from: phillygirlHow great a teammate he is?
LMFAO....right. Find me those quotes from a FEW (more than 2) players.
Quote from: qwertSwitching gears is fun.
A few months ago you were all he's a good teammate, show me some quotes that he isn't, that thing in the elevator with McNabb and Hugh is total bullshtein and completely unsubstantiated, Skip Bayless is an idiot for calling him Terrible Owens, the media is just making a splash predicting a falling out with TO...
And now it's the complete opposite ::)
Phillygirl = Spadaro
You're doing it now.
You were one of the biggest TO apologists out there, and now you are a TO hater. You conveniently state that a lack of quotes means you are right, but if there are quotes and stories in the press, well the're all bullshtein anyway because they aren't true.
It's impeccable, because in your mind you are always right. ::)
allow me...
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if there are quotes and stories in the press, well the're all bullshtein anyway because they aren't true.
only if they are negative toward the birds is it bs
if its an article about how the eagles are the nfl's gold standard you better believe its getting its own thread started with the quickness
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 10:12:27 AM
allow me...
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Well struck
IGY, it figures you and this noob clown would be a perfect fit.
I have ALWAYS (for as long as I have been on this forum...the day of its inception) claimed that "sources" mean nothing. Even WHEN IT IS POSITIVE TOWARDS THE EAGLES. Unless there was a quote to back it up, its VERY WELL KNOWN that I call bullshtein on them all.
And noob...I've already said that TO proved me wrong. Said it plenty of times. Said I was fed up with his bullshtein.
JUST AS A LOT OF OTHERS ON THIS BOARD HAVE.
I don't know what rock you crawled out from to find this forum, but I suggest you do some research before spewing some bullshtein that makes no sense.
My sources say this thread sucks harder than TO's mental stability.
My sources tell me that I love corned beef hash. My sources are never wrong.
That's preposterous. My sources have made it abundantly clear that your taste buds, stomach, and colon have turned your entire body against corned beef hash. How you could claim otherwise is beyond me.
My sources just smoke-signaled me that they are planning a sneak attack on your sources and I believe I the phrase 'fecal cannon' was used. More than once.
I'd like to see a final resolution as: T.O. will be allowed to play, but first he must fire Rosenchaos.
I think Banner especially, would like that outcome.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 09:44:03 AM
Switching gears is fun.
A few months ago you were all he's a good teammate, show me some quotes that he isn't, that thing in the elevator with McNabb and Hugh is total bullshtein and completely unsubstantiated, Skip Bayless is an idiot for calling him Terrible Owens, the media is just making a splash predicting a falling out with TO...
And now it's the complete opposite
Phillygirl = Spadaro
^^^^
post of the year
i wasnt going to go there for fear of being banned...but well said
to be fair tho pg is far from alone
Why do you fear being banned for posting your opinion? I've never seen you personally attack someone and call them names or threaten them or anything like that. You really have nothing to worry about. If they ban you for your opinion, then they just flat out suck. Power trip baby.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 18, 2005, 11:23:10 AM
My sources just smoke-signaled me that they are planning a sneak attack on your sources and I believe I the phrase 'fecal cannon' was used. More than once.
My sources have been pre-dosed with fecal cannon immunity. The joke's on you!
i made up a new nickname for lito....it's litoast! get it!
Quote from: mhunt on November 18, 2005, 12:32:08 PM
i made up a new nickname for lito....it's litoast! get it!
sorry, i already came up with that on Sunday, you're too late
Quote from: mhunt on November 18, 2005, 12:32:08 PM
i made up a new nickname for lito....it's litoast! get it!
That reminds me of my nickname for #32... Mike
Blewis. We are awesome.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 12:36:46 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 18, 2005, 12:32:08 PM
i made up a new nickname for lito....it's litoast! get it!
sorry, i already came up with that on Sunday, you're too late
liar.
Quote from: mhunt on November 18, 2005, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 12:36:46 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 18, 2005, 12:32:08 PM
i made up a new nickname for lito....it's litoast! get it!
sorry, i already came up with that on Sunday, you're too late
liar.
how dare you sir. i challenge you to a duel.
pistols at dawn.
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Yes yes, this thread has come along nicely.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 18, 2005, 01:19:38 PM
Yes yes, this thread has come along nicely.
stop being queer, Potsie McQueer
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 18, 2005, 10:17:02 AM
IGY, it figures you and this noob clown would be a perfect fit.
I have ALWAYS (for as long as I have been on this forum...the day of its inception) claimed that "sources" mean nothing. Even WHEN IT IS POSITIVE TOWARDS THE EAGLES. Unless there was a quote to back it up, its VERY WELL KNOWN that I call bullshtein on them all.
And noob...I've already said that TO proved me wrong. Said it plenty of times. Said I was fed up with his bullshtein.
JUST AS A LOT OF OTHERS ON THIS BOARD HAVE.
I don't know what rock you crawled out from to find this forum, but I suggest you do some research before spewing some bullshtein that makes no sense.
Damn you are so full of farging shtein.
You spout off "my source" crap all the time. The sarcasm in the fecal cannon posts didn't come out of nowhere.
"my source" on Simon rumors
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16187.msg304749#msg304749
"my source" on TO playing with the screws in place
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=14002.msg243934#msg243934
"my source" on the Eagles trading a draft pick for Lamont Jordan
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=11739.msg191924#msg191924
My source says you are full of yourself and have no sense of humor.
My source tells me that your suggesting that I do some research before spewing bullshtein is farging laughable. ::)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 18, 2005, 01:19:38 PM
Yes yes, this thread has come along nicely.
stop being queer, Potsie McQueer
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i'm come to realize that i need a source, anyone want to volunteer?
Quote from: rjs246 on November 18, 2005, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 18, 2005, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 18, 2005, 01:19:38 PM
Yes yes, this thread has come along nicely.
stop being queer, Potsie McQueer
(http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00175/Jessica_Alba__tatt__175740m.jpg)
that's obviously a guy
Quote from: T_Section224 on November 18, 2005, 01:32:37 PM
i'm come to realize that i need a source, anyone want to volunteer?
Just use an imaginary friend for a source like Eckel does...
My sources tell me that I am about to have explosive diarrhea. farging ON POINT!
You're all retarded. Go use the other TO thread now. And stop being retarded.