The win was good and all, but in te grand scheme of things it isn't as important as games down the line. We need our guys healthy for the end of the season. Winning the division and the NFC will be cake.
- Mcnabb's health. Is a week's rest enough? Is it one of those things where he rests a week, gets to 75% then tweaks somehting in the game? Does he need to sit out against the Chiefs?
- Akers. How serious is this? Did he hurt it more? How long will he be out? Is France good enough?
- Playcalling today wasn't very good. Were some of those runs by Mcnabb called or because the pocket collapsed?
- NO PASS RUSH... Kerry had all day to throw.
Not enough running by Reid...why dontcha let Donny Mac get smoked some more, Big Red?
Stupid fumble.
Stupid penalties.
Stupid prevent defense (they were at the f'ing TWO and you let them march)
Great game by Westbrook! They blew that run dead way too f'ing early. He wasn't even down yet!
Since Reid made Donny throw 56,000 times, he got better and gutted it out.
Pretty sloppy, but not every one will be pretty. I'll take it. But they better screw their heads on straight.
Oh yeah -- EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT run defense. :yay Corey who?
minor concerns.
you have 53 professional football players going against 53 professional football players.
the eagles were not as bad as week one
and probably not as good in week 2
in week three they played a very talented, yet undisiplined raiders team that was desperate and 0-2.
this is not madden football here. sometimes when things go not so good, you should give the other team credit. and the raiders deserve some credit here. it was a hard faught, knock-em down kinda game(cliche alert). and the eagles won.
Some thoughts:
- Collins had WAY too much time to throw the ball. D-line was getting handled in pass protection.
- Run D was superb today.
- Gotta give McNabb credit, he was wincing in pain the whole game but gave it his best effort.
- L.J. WTF?!?!? Such a good TE then fumbles it away for no reason.
- Great game for GLew
- Kearse was MIA.
- D'hani Jones had a fantastic game
- Westbrook
- Despite the score, we need to establish the run early to keep defenses honest.
- Bad game all around by Parry.
- Hicks had another poor outing
- Too many penalties
- No Turn overs today for the D and 2 for the O in the redzone
I felt McNabb really stepped it up in the second half. Hes def hurting though and if we were taking on a decent team then we would of lost. The Raiders basically gave us that game with all the penalties.
Akers, god u have to love the guy for trying. He needs to know when to say enough. that opening kickoff was hard to watch. reids gotta get him out of there. on a high note he won us the game, amazingly enough. im all for giving the other kicker a shot. and letting akers heal. hes as important to this team as any other player. today showed it.
Play calling was bad in first half. Second half they started to open up the playbook with ACTUAL run plays. and wow it worked. maybe we should stick to that then. if McNabbs not healthy then they will have to. id like to see more of the run game regardless if McNabb is injured or not.
Grade A to the DB's today -except Hood
Grade B- to linebackers
Grade F to front 4. I didn't see one sack. the statue of collins had no pressure.
All in all our defense really bailed us out. Id like to see more pressure on QB. Where were JJ's blitz's???
Ray Diddy said Oakland's pass blocking is "superb" so that explains their lack o' presure...
Dawk was kept deep to help on Moss...
They played deep a lot so Moss wouldn't get over the top. So not a lot of blitzes.
Oh. I see you guys started one while I was typing mine. Mods, merge please. :)
Other than the injuries my only concern was a lack of pass rush. But even with that the Raiders offensive line does a very nice job in pass protection. Also they weren't able to blitz with concerns of getting beat long by Moss.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:12:19 PM
- Kearse was MIA.
I couldn't disagree with you more. He had an offsides penalty that gave Oakland a first down. :P
Kearse needs an inside move. For real. For real, for real.
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:13:08 PM
I felt McNabb really stepped it up in the second half. Hes def hurting though and if we were taking on a decent team then we would of lost. The Raiders basically gave us that game with all the penalties.
Akers, god u have to love the guy for trying. He needs to know when to say enough. that opening kickoff was hard to watch. reids gotta get him out of there. on a high note he won us the game, amazingly enough. im all for giving the other kicker a shot. and letting akers heal. hes as important to this team as any other player. today showed it.
Play calling was bad in first half. Second half they started to open up the playbook with ACTUAL run plays. and wow it worked. maybe we should stick to that then. if McNabbs not healthy then they will have to. id like to see more of the run game regardless if McNabb is injured or not.
Grade A to the DB's today -except Hood
Grade B- to linebackers
Grade F to front 4. I didn't see one sack. the statue of collins had no pressure.
All in all our defense really bailed us out. Id like to see more pressure on QB. Where were JJ's blitz's???
How can you give them an F when they didn't give up any rushing yards?
O-line. Great on pass protection today. Must work on penalties though. Andrews is virtually a rookie so I can chalk some of them up to his inexperience. Tra needs to be smarter. I think he had 2 or 3 penalties. The also blocked better for Westy as the game wore on.
QB. McNabb got off to a zesty, zesty start. But for as bad as he looked in the first half, he looked equally as good in the 2nd half. He's obviously hurting and isn't as mobile as we'd all like him to be but he really toughed it out today and hung in there. Great effort imo.
RB. Westy had over 200 total yards and 2 td's. He's awesome, 'I have nothing to contribute. Gordon didn't get much time on the field but when he did he just didn't seem to have that same burst he had last week.
FB. I think there was only one pass thrown to Parry, which of course went right threw his hands. He did pretty well in pass protection though which is all I expect or really want from him.
WR. Slightly above average play from them today I think. But they caught them when it counted. TO had a couple of clutch receptions at the end of the game.
TE. LJ had another solid game and then he caughed it up inside the 5 yard line. I don't mind him fighting for extra yards. Infact I love it. But when there are 5 defenders around you then you better damn well tuck the ball away.
K. Cut Sims. :P Much respect to Akers for toughing it out and kicking that FG. Now take a week or 2 off and get better farger. We need you for the long haul.
D-line. Generated almost no pass rush. Bad. Allowed almost no rushing yards. Good. I thought the line played great against the run today.
LB. Dhani Jones had a very nice game. What? Trotter made some nice plays too. I can't really blame Dhani for getting beat by Courtney Anderson. The guy's got about 7 inches on him. All in all though, both guys found themselves in the right spot alot today.
CB. Were excellent up until the final 5 minutes or so. But I suspect many of those yards were given up to ensure they didn't get beat deep. Regardless, Moss and Porter were both kept out of the endzone. Not an easy task to accomplish. Rod Hood looked like ass on the Gabriel TD.
S. Dawk made some great plays and saved a touchdown on 2 consecutive plays. He's awesome. Mike Lewis was late with the help on the Gabriel TD and should have had a pick too. But he absolutely destroyed Justin Fargas early in the game. The Eagles weren't beat deap and much of that is attributed to safety play. :yay
P. Dirk 2 bad punts but the rest were decent. He had a beautiful 57 yarder. That is all.
ST. Returns were ok. Coverage was excellent. As bad as Hood is at one on one coverage he's that good on kick coverage. I love him on ST's.
I think this team (offense) needs an enima because they played like there was something stuck up their ass today. The first half was terrible but like I said, they rebounded nicely and played a solid 2nd half. And if there's one thing I say alot it's not about how you start but how you finish. And today the Eagles finished on top which means I'm going to sleep easy tonight and enjoy the next 7 days. :yay
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:12:19 PM
- Kearse was MIA.
I couldn't disagree with you more. He had an offsides penalty that gave Oakland a first down. :P
Gallery's a good tackle and I know they were giving him help, but he hasn't done much the first 3 games. I'm one that thinks sack totals are an overrated stat, so I'm not taking his lack of into consideration...just his overall play.
Another thing about the lack of pressure....Norv had a ton of blockers in there to help.
No way the DL gets an F...what'd they give up? 19 yards rushing?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 25, 2005, 05:19:23 PM
Another thing about the lack of pressure....Norv had a ton of blockers in there to help.
No way the DL gets an F...what'd they give up? 19 yards rushing?
They also got away with a ton of holding penalties.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:12:19 PM
- Kearse was MIA.
I couldn't disagree with you more. He had an offsides penalty that gave Oakland a first down. :P
Gallery's a good tackle and I know they were giving him help, but he hasn't done much the first 3 games. I'm one that thinks sack totals are an overrated stat, so I'm not taking his lack of into consideration...just his overall play.
Someone must have missed the sarcasm bus today. ;D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 25, 2005, 05:19:23 PM
Another thing about the lack of pressure....Norv had a ton of blockers in there to help.
No way the DL gets an F...what'd they give up? 19 yards rushing?
21 yards... get it right sparky! ;)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 25, 2005, 05:19:23 PM
Another thing about the lack of pressure....Norv had a ton of blockers in there to help.
No way the DL gets an F...what'd they give up? 19 yards rushing?
You're right.
The Raiders were running a lot of max protection for Collins.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 25, 2005, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 25, 2005, 05:19:23 PM
Another thing about the lack of pressure....Norv had a ton of blockers in there to help.
No way the DL gets an F...what'd they give up? 19 yards rushing?
21 yards... get it right sparky! ;)
What a slacker.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:12:19 PM
- Kearse was MIA.
I couldn't disagree with you more. He had an offsides penalty that gave Oakland a first down. :P
Gallery's a good tackle and I know they were giving him help, but he hasn't done much the first 3 games. I'm one that thinks sack totals are an overrated stat, so I'm not taking his lack of into consideration...just his overall play.
Someone must have missed the sarcasm bus today. ;D
Nope, not at all, I was just making an elaborate point. 8)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:12:19 PM
- Kearse was MIA.
I couldn't disagree with you more. He had an offsides penalty that gave Oakland a first down. :P
Gallery's a good tackle and I know they were giving him help, but he hasn't done much the first 3 games. I'm one that thinks sack totals are an overrated stat, so I'm not taking his lack of into consideration...just his overall play.
Someone must have missed the sarcasm bus today. ;D
Nope, not at all, I was just making an elaborate point. 8)
I was being sarcastic........again. :paranoid
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 25, 2005, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:13:08 PM
I felt McNabb really stepped it up in the second half. Hes def hurting though and if we were taking on a decent team then we would of lost. The Raiders basically gave us that game with all the penalties.
Akers, god u have to love the guy for trying. He needs to know when to say enough. that opening kickoff was hard to watch. reids gotta get him out of there. on a high note he won us the game, amazingly enough. im all for giving the other kicker a shot. and letting akers heal. hes as important to this team as any other player. today showed it.
Play calling was bad in first half. Second half they started to open up the playbook with ACTUAL run plays. and wow it worked. maybe we should stick to that then. if McNabbs not healthy then they will have to. id like to see more of the run game regardless if McNabb is injured or not.
Grade A to the DB's today -except Hood
Grade B- to linebackers
Grade F to front 4. I didn't see one sack. the statue of collins had no pressure.
All in all our defense really bailed us out. Id like to see more pressure on QB. Where were JJ's blitz's???
How can you give them an F when they didn't give up any rushing yards?
Was it just me, because everytime a run was stuffed it was either dhani or trott gettting up. Those guys had more impact on the run D than any of the front 4. But u are right, I was angry at the pressure they weren't getting. they def helped on the run. how about a C then? half good on run half horrible on pass pressure. is that ok with you?
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 25, 2005, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 25, 2005, 05:19:23 PM
Another thing about the lack of pressure....Norv had a ton of blockers in there to help.
No way the DL gets an F...what'd they give up? 19 yards rushing?
21 yards... get it right sparky! ;)
It would have only been 19 if the Eagles still had Corey Simon. :-D
If the front four are occupying blockers freeing up the linebackers to make run stuffing tackles that's just as good (if not better) than them making the tackles themselves. They're keeping the oline off the backers.
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 25, 2005, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:13:08 PM
I felt McNabb really stepped it up in the second half. Hes def hurting though and if we were taking on a decent team then we would of lost. The Raiders basically gave us that game with all the penalties.
Akers, god u have to love the guy for trying. He needs to know when to say enough. that opening kickoff was hard to watch. reids gotta get him out of there. on a high note he won us the game, amazingly enough. im all for giving the other kicker a shot. and letting akers heal. hes as important to this team as any other player. today showed it.
Play calling was bad in first half. Second half they started to open up the playbook with ACTUAL run plays. and wow it worked. maybe we should stick to that then. if McNabbs not healthy then they will have to. id like to see more of the run game regardless if McNabb is injured or not.
Grade A to the DB's today -except Hood
Grade B- to linebackers
Grade F to front 4. I didn't see one sack. the statue of collins had no pressure.
All in all our defense really bailed us out. Id like to see more pressure on QB. Where were JJ's blitz's???
How can you give them an F when they didn't give up any rushing yards?
Was it just me, because everytime a run was stuffed it was either dhani or trott gettting up. Those guys had more impact on the run D than any of the front 4. But u are right, I was angry at the pressure they weren't getting. they def helped on the run. how about a C then? half good on run half horrible on pass pressure. is that ok with you?
Hollis had a monster game. He was all over Jordan all day long. He even read that reverse BEAUTIFULLY and dropped Porter for a loss of 8. :yay
C :P
Feva, good point about Hollis. He did have an excellent game today. :yay
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:32:56 PM
Was it just me, because everytime a run was stuffed it was either dhani or trott gettting up. Those guys had more impact on the run D than any of the front 4. But u are right, I was angry at the pressure they weren't getting. they def helped on the run. how about a C then? half good on run half horrible on pass pressure. is that ok with you?
If a D-lineman can make the tackle, great. If not, their job is to shut down the running lanes. Our DL did a superb job of that today, freeing the LBs to get into a position to make a play deep.
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:35:56 PM
C :P
I think you're being a little hard on them but much better than the F you were giving them. :)
All I gotta say is they could of gotten some pressure and even 1 sack on statue.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:36:52 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:32:56 PM
Was it just me, because everytime a run was stuffed it was either dhani or trott gettting up. Those guys had more impact on the run D than any of the front 4. But u are right, I was angry at the pressure they weren't getting. they def helped on the run. how about a C then? half good on run half horrible on pass pressure. is that ok with you?
If a D-lineman can make the tackle, great. If not, their job is to shut down the running lanes. Our DL did a superb job of that today, freeing the LBs to get into a position to make a play deep.
And that's the thing.......
The d-line may not have been making all the tackles but at the same time they were being pushed all over the place when the Raiders ran the ball. The running lanes weren't big and the d-line was getting enough push limit the rb's options when he had the ball. They didn't get beat at all today buy cutbacks.
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:38:07 PM
All I gotta say is they could of gotten some pressure and even 1 sack on statue.
Couldn't agree more, our pass rush was non-existent today. :boo
Patterson had a sack. 8)
Quote from: Larry on September 25, 2005, 05:46:38 PM
Patterson had a sack. 8)
And a forced fumble... 8)
Of course, Kearse and (Adams?) did a great job of knocking each other away from the ball. :boom
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 25, 2005, 05:48:38 PM
Quote from: Larry on September 25, 2005, 05:46:38 PM
Patterson had a sack. 8)
And a forced fumble... 8)
Of course, Kearse and (Adams?) did a great job of knocking each other away from the ball. :boom
Oh stop. Would you have felt better if they both DIDN'T go for it?
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 25, 2005, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: mussa on September 25, 2005, 05:13:08 PM
I felt McNabb really stepped it up in the second half. Hes def hurting though and if we were taking on a decent team then we would of lost. The Raiders basically gave us that game with all the penalties.
Akers, god u have to love the guy for trying. He needs to know when to say enough. that opening kickoff was hard to watch. reids gotta get him out of there. on a high note he won us the game, amazingly enough. im all for giving the other kicker a shot. and letting akers heal. hes as important to this team as any other player. today showed it.
Play calling was bad in first half. Second half they started to open up the playbook with ACTUAL run plays. and wow it worked. maybe we should stick to that then. if McNabbs not healthy then they will have to. id like to see more of the run game regardless if McNabb is injured or not.
Grade A to the DB's today -except Hood
Grade B- to linebackers
Grade F to front 4. I didn't see one sack. the statue of collins had no pressure.
All in all our defense really bailed us out. Id like to see more pressure on QB. Where were JJ's blitz's???
How can you give them an F when they didn't give up any rushing yards?
Was it just me, because everytime a run was stuffed it was either dhani or trott gettting up. Those guys had more impact on the run D than any of the front 4. But u are right, I was angry at the pressure they weren't getting. they def helped on the run. how about a C then? half good on run half horrible on pass pressure. is that ok with you?
That is their job, allow the backers to make the plays. I am more and more impressed with Patterson.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 25, 2005, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 25, 2005, 05:48:38 PM
Quote from: Larry on September 25, 2005, 05:46:38 PM
Patterson had a sack. 8)
And a forced fumble... 8)
Of course, Kearse and (Adams?) did a great job of knocking each other away from the ball. :boom
Oh stop. Would you have felt better if they both DIDN'T go for it?
Ugh.
Settle down girlie... I simply pointed out the rest of the play.
I think everything has already been said that needs to be said.
Except, I do think that Akers should sit possibly the next two games. I don't want to aggravate that hammy any more than it already is. I think Frances should be able to get us through the bye week, and by that time Akers would have had ample time to rest and recoup that hammy (barring he didn't do any more damage to it today).
I'll take the win anyway I can. The Eagles could have ran the ball more than they did, I believe. Westbrook had some nice lanes to run through.
I thought the O-Line played awesome. They gave Donny so much protection today and they did run block pretty well when given the chance.
I was disappointed with the D late, but they played a decent game barring some critical mistakes. I'm glad to see that the Run D has returned.
Does anyone know why Collins always has great games against us? Or at least always gives us fits when he plays. He always did it with the Giants and now he seems to be at it again with the Raiders. It just seems like he always turns it on against us. Anyone have any career stats for the drunken one against the Eagles? I bet they are pretty damn good.
He must know JJ's scheme fairly well.
Akers should sit the next 4 games. farg 2. He needs to be 100%.
OK, so I'm jumping ahead. I didn't see the game today (wasn't on in St. Louis), but I watched a lot of the play-by-play online and read these comments.
We've played 2 average teams, and one zesty team. We destroyed the zesty team, but the average teams gave us trouble. We could just as easily be 0-2 or 2-0 over them as we are 1-1.
So, next week we play what looks to be a really strong team.
What do the Eagles need to do to pull a 'W' from Arrowhead?
All sides of the defense look pretty good, so I think the troubles are on offense. McNabb is apparently looking less than 100%, and Akers is bothered. Westbrook is playing fantastic, as are the recievers. I think AR needs to come out running next week, and keep the run throughout the game to keep KC's defense honest.
Who needs to step it up?
Props to the Raiders KR for blowing a last second shot for his team. Nice :yay
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on September 25, 2005, 06:22:25 PM
What do the Eagles need to do to pull a 'W' from Arrowhead?
A healthy McNabb, Akers, Westbrook, Walker, and a farging running game.
The online play by play said there were a lot of sotgun formations. Was this accurate?
Good to get the win, but the offense seems to be struggling.
Going into KC I'm a little worried.
There was some shotgun, yes. There was also a lot of singleback formation with Westbrook split out wide. That left our FB behind McNabb. Reid, you wanna telegraph the play or something buddy?
the reason I say two is because we have the bye week after the subsequent games we have to play. Then that should give him ample time to rehab.
I think we can manage with a kicker like Frances. As long as he can kick it off to the 5-10 and make field goals within 40 yards he should be more than fine.
Josh Parry should change his # to 78.
He catches like an OL and blocks like Antone Davis.
Bum.
Odd enough, JJ was scheming against the run and protecting the big play. They were rushing as if Collins was a scrambling threat.
Anyway, I think all is well as long as Donnie doesn't miss prolonged time. Getting out today with a win was huge.
We go to KC without McNabb and Akers, and it could be a very tough game... but the D will keep the Eagles in it.
Heading into KC, I'm obviously concerned with the Chiefs running game. Their receivers don't scare me at all. Gonzo does but Kennison and Horn don't. The Chiefs offense hasn't been as dynamic as it's been in years passed. It's been effective but not explosive. Their defense is improved but I'm not really worried about it. Against the Jets, they did a good job against the run but the Jets had receivers open all day in the secondary. Unfortunately they a) have Pennington at QB and b) developed a Charles Johnson-esque case of the dropsies. Their corners can and will be beat.
I'm chalking their defensive performance against the Raiders simply as getting up for a division rival.
One thing that I'm not expecting to see in this game is Westy have the same type of game he did today. Derrick Johnson is more than capable of running with him. I don't know if any of you have had a chance to watch him in the NFL yet but this dude is the real deal.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 07:38:27 PM
The Chiefs offense hasn't been as dynamic as it's been in years passed. It's been effective but not explosive. Their defense is improved but I'm not really worried about it.
Couldn't agree more. I haven't missed a KC game yet this season (My roommates from KC). Their offensive line is superb at run blocking but like you said their passing game has been good at best.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 07:38:27 PM
One thing that I'm not expecting to see in this game is Westy have the same type of game he did today. Derrick Johnson is more than capable of running with him. I don't know if any of you have had a chance to watch him in the NFL yet but this dude is the real deal.
He's awesome. Great combination of size and closing speed. I think the key to this game comes down to Turnovers.
One thing going for the Eagles is the defense is probably the best in football. Nah, farg probably... it IS the best. Today showed that. Eagles shut em down all game basically AND they had the ball practically at mid field every damn drive.
Eagles can stop the run, but their play action worries me a bit. They can pass protect great too.
Let's see if they can stop us and how healthy Mcnabb is.
L.J. Smith's arm should be cut off if he continues to run like that....he's a fumbler and a farging knucklehead. Every time the ball goes to him I'm screaming 'hold on to the ball'...farg the extra yardage.
Minnesotta in the playoffs...we just got lucky FredEx was there to deliver...
Superbowl...this bitch fumbles again because he doesn't know how to secure the ball.
I mean...one of these days, he's going to fumble just by running with it. L.J. is a farging liability after the catch. Who knew that Chad Lewis had it down perfectly by falling after the catch.
Who's the tight ends coach anyways? How do they not see this??? farg! :boom
LJ smith must die?
You sound like some loser Raiders fan, bionic.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 25, 2005, 08:33:32 PM
LJ smith must die?
You sound like some loser Raiders fan, bionic.
OK, I'm sorry...how about shoot LJ in the head until he farging learns how to hold on the the farging ball. He's not in college anymore. It's time to grow up and hold on to the shtein. He drives me insane watching the farging game. What's worse is that I know its coming. You can see the ball wanting to pop out. It's calling the defenders and saying, 'hit me, hit me'. LJ........nice talent....but I have a feeling he's going to blow one of these games for us when it counts...almost like he did today.
an absolute disgrace by reid not having a second kicker activated
horrible game plan by jj...where were the blitzes...collins is statue and if you even breathe on him the wrong way he becomes a turnover machine
jevon kearse is stealing money
westbrook=god....pay the man NOW!
mcnabb was terrible but came up large on the last drive when it counted
run defense was off the charts
they arent going to win at kc...dallas is the key game now
who sits over in 205/206 that can tell me about the rumbles
igy...well, that was expected.
Quote from: hbionic on September 25, 2005, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 25, 2005, 08:33:32 PM
LJ smith must die?
You sound like some loser Raiders fan, bionic.
OK, I'm sorry...how about shoot LJ in the head until he farging learns how to hold on the the farging ball. He's not in college anymore. It's time to grow up and hold on to the shtein. He drives me insane watching the farging game. What's worse is that I know its coming. You can see the ball wanting to pop out. It's calling the defenders and saying, 'hit me, hit me'. LJ........nice talent....but I have a feeling he's going to blow one of these games for us when it counts...almost like he did today.
No, you had it right the first time dude. Cut his arms off. If he can't catch 'em, he can't fumble 'em. :D
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2005, 08:45:14 PM
westbrook=god....pay the man NOW!
If Westbrook keeps playing like this -- he has to be an early MVP candidate -- his asking price will go to the stratosphere.
If Westbrook keeps playing like this -- he has to be an early MVP candidate -- his asking price will go to the stratosphere.
agreed...and even more reason why you lock him up now when he will come cheaper than after his 'mvp' season
Yep, I agree. They should be backing the Brinks truck up to the NovaCare right now.
But Donny Mac was bad early because he was hurting. If you watch the tape, IGY, you'll see that he could not follow through on his throws.
But he gets much credit for stepping it up later on since Big Red decided to keep on throwing.
Also - it was apparent that JJ opted not to blitz today. Statue or not, he was worried about Porter/Moss getting deep. That's why Dawk was nowhere to be seen in te box. He was doing his thing deep.
And R Diddy said that the Raiders OL is one of the better pass blocking units out there.
They'll be fine.
I'm still pissed at LJ.
yeah. LJ needs to learn how to calm down. Besides the fumbles though, he's looked like nothing less than a beast.
Hopefully they can learn from this week and apply it next week in KC. Hopefully they can do some sort of super duper therapy on McNabbs abdomen to prep him for next week.
You know France will be activated next week. Bye-bye Reno.
Man how good is this defense though? It's so awesome. 20 points doesn't look impressive, but to anyone who watched the game, it was outstanding. On top of that consider they had the ball near the 50 on every drive. This defense is flat out a shut down defense.
Quote from: Eaglez on September 25, 2005, 09:29:53 PM
yeah. LJ needs to learn how to calm down. Besides the fumbles though, he's looked like nothing less than a beast.
I haven't seen the fumble yet, but from what I understand it was a stupid move on his part. I'm getting tired of those from him.
Quote from: Avenger on September 25, 2005, 10:31:13 PM
Man how good is this defense though? It's so awesome. 20 points doesn't look impressive, but to anyone who watched the game, it was outstanding. On top of that consider they had the ball near the 50 on every drive. This defense is flat out a shut down defense.
Yep. Add to that, the fact that in the first half the offense couldn't sustain a drive for ish. I haven't looked at a stat sheet yet but I'd have to guess that the TOP favors the Raiders today.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: Avenger on September 25, 2005, 10:31:13 PM
Man how good is this defense though? It's so awesome. 20 points doesn't look impressive, but to anyone who watched the game, it was outstanding. On top of that consider they had the ball near the 50 on every drive. This defense is flat out a shut down defense.
Yep. Add to that, the fact that in the first half the offense couldn't sustain a drive for ish. I haven't looked at a stat sheet yet but I'd have to guess that the TOP favors the Raiders today.
Eagles - 30:03
Raiders - 29:57
Damn sure didn't seem like it though...
Wow, I'm shocked. :o I figured it had to be somewhere in the area of 32 or 33 minutes for the Raiders and 27 or 28 minutes for the Eagles.
All those running plays helped even things out. :)
All three of them?
Don't forget McNabb's crazy scramble for two yards. That was wild.
For a Raiders team that did a great job the first two weeks against real good backs. Westbrook for the most part had his way with their defense. He was well over 5 YPC. Should've carried it more for sure.
But Donny Mac was bad early because he was hurting. If you watch the tape, IGY, you'll see that he could not follow through on his throws.
i understand the injury aspect...but you cant have it both ways...he cant get an injury pass for sucking early....and then play great late...if he threw for 80 yards the whole game cause of an injury then id give him the injury excuse...but he clearly was capable of playing well and he did so at the most crucial of times...
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2005, 08:28:41 AM
But Donny Mac was bad early because he was hurting. If you watch the tape, IGY, you'll see that he could not follow through on his throws.
i understand the injury aspect...but you cant have it both ways...he cant get an injury pass for sucking early....and then play great late...if he threw for 80 yards the whole game cause of an injury then id give him the injury excuse...but he clearly was capable of playing well and he did so at the most crucial of times...
Sure you can have it both ways....he sucked it up when it was crunch time. That's why he had an excellent 2nd half. He adjusted properly and Reid actually put him in teh shotgun more so he wouldn't have to take drop-backs.
He said that he could not step into throws at all.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 25, 2005, 08:45:14 PM
an absolute disgrace by reid not having a second kicker activated
i couldn't agree more...horribly stupid move. having your injured qb pass the ball 50+ times when your rb is having a field day in his limited carries wasn't exactly a stroke of genius either. reid's pass-happiness is gonna get #5 killed one of these weeks.
Yeah, I'm sure glad Thornburg was on the sideline in street clothes, rather than having a back-up kicker for Akers.
That was brilliant.
spads on the radio now talking about it :puke
Reno Mahe/Thorburg
Either of them should've been cut.
Reid farged up yesterday.
I know it's been said, but if LJ didn't fumble on the five yard line in the fourth quarter, the Eagles go up 27-13 with approximately ten minutes left in the game, and would've had all of the momentum. If not for that fumble, I think the Eagles would've won fairly easily after taking over the second half, and none of this hand-wringing would be necessary (although the injuries are a definite concern). LJ is becoming a liability at times...great skills, but sometimes making mistakes at inopportune times.
The Raiders are a good team, who were screwed by the schedule makers in drawing the Patriots, the Chiefs and the Eagles in their first three games. I still believe they may challenge for a WC in the AFC. This was a good win, one where the team had injured key players who dug in deep to pull out the game.
And, Reid definitely made a poor decision in not promoting France to the active roster, but that's been said by many.
I think the decision not to activate the kicker was probably left up to Harbaugh, because you figure if you promote another kicker to the roster, you'll have to cut or deactivate a ST player. Given the choice of the two options, especially in light of facing a dangerous kick returner, it seemed like a good decision before the opening kickoff.
My major concern is that the Eagles are going to be 2-2 after next week.
Agreed...if healthy, this had the looks of a close game. With an injured Donovan, Akers, and others, I'm rather concerned about the Chiefs.
My concern with McNabb is him turning into McNair. Yea hes a freakin warrior playing hurt, but hes not going to be playing at all if he continues to put his body through this sunday after sunday.
Not to keep beating a dead horse, but a few more running plays to keep the pass-rushers honest would also be helpful in keeping Donovan healthier. Throwing the ball 50 times a game isn't going to dissuade many defenses from rushing the passer on every play.
Oh, and it's nitpicking because he's a great QB and he's trying to make a play at all times, but Donovan still holds onto the ball too long...he's gotta start to make a decision to throw, run or throw the ball away quicker, or keep risking turn-overs and/or serious injury.
I response to someone's question earlier. Collins won his first 6 games against us in NY, and lost his last 5.
Also, what the hell has to heppen for us to run the ball?
A terible first half passing?
A hurt qb?
A very effective run-game?
Is Reid just inable to learn from things going on around him in a game?
beat that fargin dead horse :chair
The horse isn't dead. He says he wants to have a 60/40 mix. But it's a whole helluva lot closer to 70/30 and that's a recipe for disaster. The horse won't die until he shows some ability to balance when the passing game isn't working.
Since Andy is the King of the Castle, who in the organization is going to tell him any differently?
He'll pass until the quarterback's arm falls off. That's what he does and he's not going to change, so quit bitching about it already.
Sheesh.
:-*
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2005, 07:38:27 PM
Heading into KC, I'm obviously concerned with the Chiefs running game. Their receivers don't scare me at all. Gonzo does but Kennison and Horn don't. The Chiefs offense hasn't been as dynamic as it's been in years passed. It's been effective but not explosive. Their defense is improved but I'm not really worried about it. Against the Jets, they did a good job against the run but the Jets had receivers open all day in the secondary. Unfortunately they a) have Pennington at QB and b) developed a Charles Johnson-esque case of the dropsies. Their corners can and will be beat.
I'm chalking their defensive performance against the Raiders simply as getting up for a division rival.
One thing that I'm not expecting to see in this game is Westy have the same type of game he did today. Derrick Johnson is more than capable of running with him. I don't know if any of you have had a chance to watch him in the NFL yet but this dude is the real deal.
Horn's a pretty good receiver, but the Eagles won't be seeing him this Sunday. You must be thinking of Hall or Parker.
Actually, we will ;)
http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/chris_horn/
Wow, he must be Joe Horn's brother. They look like twins.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 27, 2005, 11:08:05 AM
Wow, he must be Joe Horn's brother. They look like twins.
Cousins. Identical Cousins.