QuoteHoldout by Simon not playing well
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
Corey Simon's absence was somewhat benign at the start of this Eagles training camp.
With the Jerome McDougle shooting, the Brian Westbrook holdout, and the Terrell Owens traveling sideshow, it was easy to forget that the defensive tackle whom the Eagles used their franchise tag on this off-season was missing, too.
Now, Simon's decision to stay away is going unnoticed for another reason that has far more serious implications for the defensive tackle who has protested his contract situation by refusing to sign the Eagles' franchise tender of $5.13 million.
"The more you miss, the more you give other people an opportunity," Eagles coach Andy Reid said yesterday after practice at the NovaCare Complex. "Right now, that [defensive tackle] group is playing well. We have a group that I'm very comfortable with in there."
Does that mean Simon's playing time could be significantly reduced when he does arrive at the NovaCare Complex?
"Obviously, yeah, because I feel comfortable with the guys we have in there," Reid said. "The door has been open and the other guys have taken advantage of it."
There is a precedent during the Reid era for a veteran costing himself playing time by staying away from camp. Two years ago, running back Duce Staley staged a 26-day holdout, and his total number of touches fell from 320 in 2002 to 132 in 2003.
Part of the reason for Staley's decline was the emergence of Westbrook and the return of Correll Buckhalter from a knee injury. But the holdout didn't help Staley's cause, and it didn't help him when he hit the free-agent market after the 2003 season.
The 28-year-old Simon, still at home with his family in Tallahassee, Fla., said he hasn't been paying much attention to what has transpired at Lehigh University or in Philadelphia. He also said he wasn't too concerned about what happens when he returns to the team.
"It is what it is," he said. "I don't control that. People know what I can do. They know what I've done over the last five seasons."
Asked if he'd be upset about a decrease in playing time or possibly even a demotion to the second team, Simon said: "I don't control that part of it."
Asked if he planned to arrive soon, he said, "When I get there, you'll see me."
The Eagles would argue that Simon could have controlled his own destiny by signing their tender and reporting to camp on time. They'd also argue that he could have accepted a trade elsewhere if he could have agreed to contract terms with either the Baltimore Ravens or Cincinnati Bengals this off-season.
"I'm not going to get into that," Simon said. "I'm not the type of person who gets into a hissing match."
The "other guys who have taken advantage" of Simon's absence are veteran Hollis Thomas and rookie Mike Patterson.
Thomas, who also had contract complaints this off-season, played an exceptional game Saturday night against the Baltimore Ravens, coming up with two tackles and a forced fumble. Starting in place of Simon alongside Darwin Walker, Thomas has performed well throughout training camp.
"Hollis is a pro," Reid said. "He separated [the contract situation] and didn't let it get in the way of how he has played."
Patterson, meanwhile, has performed above the early expectations that defensive coordinator Jim Johnson had for the Eagles' first-round pick.
"The biggest surprise about Mike is the very few mental mistakes he has made," Johnson said. "We knew we had a very competitive guy with good quickness. There are a lot of different schemes for a rookie, but he's really picked it up well."
Patterson registered three tackles and a sack in each of the Eagles' first two preseason games, including one Saturday in which he threw starting quarterback Kyle Boller for a 9-yard loss. The rookie also recovered a fumble after Michael Lewis nailed Boller on a safety blitz.
As a defensive unit, the Eagles seem to have strengthened a past weakness. The first-team defense has allowed just 3 yards per rush in the first two games, and that's against two AFC teams that ranked in the top 10 in rushing last season. (The Ravens did not play top rusher Jamal Lewis on Saturday.)
Even without Simon's return, the Eagles will get stronger at defensive tackle Friday night against the Cincinnati Bengals because Sam Rayburn is expected back after missing the first two preseason games with a hyperextended right elbow.
Just as Simon is thinking little about the Eagles down in Florida, the Eagles seem to be thinking just as little about him right now.
"I just can't worry about it," Johnson said. "We have to play with the guys we have here. These guys are working hard, so we'll see what happens."
Johnson said he does believe that Simon is hurting himself by not being in camp.
"Any time you're not in camp, you're going to be behind," the defensive coordinator said. "It's a concern. You want guys in camp to get into hitting shape and football shape. I think he needs that, but I can't worry about it. He's not here and I'm moving forward."
I can't even begin to imagine how fat and out-of-shape Simon will be after all this time off. He won't even be able to play at a decent level before 5-6 games into the season.
Shame of it is that he's carrying a huge cap number this year, and that the Eagles could have gotten a nice deal in a trade if Simon didn't have ridiculous contract demands.
Just cut him. He'll be so out of shape that he won't be able to help another team significantly and probably won't get much of a contract. He's taking up a roster spot. Cut his ass.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 23, 2005, 08:26:47 AM
He's taking up a roster spot. Cut his ass.
...and upwards of $6 mil of cap space.
You don't even have to cut him. Remove the franchise tag a la Jeremiah Trotter before the 2002 season, and he's an unrestricted free agent. Honestly, if I'm the Eagles, I don't let that fat-ass steal a paycheck or a roster spot from more deserving and hard-working players.
I'm with Team Patterson. Remove the tag right before the season starts, when all the teams are full up with players and all their monies are spent. Let him find his way onto a team then. Fat and overrated DT looking for work in a job market with few vacancies, and no wealthy suitors.
I would enjoy seeing that.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2005, 08:41:39 AM
You don't even have to cut him. Remove the franchise tag a la Jeremiah Trotter before the 2002 season, and he's an unrestricted free agent. Honestly, if I'm the Eagles, I don't let that fat-ass steal a paycheck or a roster spot from more deserving and hard-working players.
as much as id love to drop that fat POS he still strengthens an avg DT rotation. And if Darwin is needed to spell Kalu/Douglas Simon will be needed even more. Take the cap hit or trade him for a Vet WR or a DE.
Can't trade him because of his contract demands. They've already had two deals in place that have fallen through because of those pie-in-the-sky delusions.
We'd be fine at DT without him. End is more of a concern. And trading him is out of the question. He'll still demand a $10MM SB from the new team, which would never consider it.
It's rather peculiar that for the first time, unlike other preseasons, we're actually stopping the run...and that's without our supposed #1 DT. >:D
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 23, 2005, 09:21:26 AM
We'd be fine at DT without him. End is more of a concern. And trading him is out of the question. He'll still demand a $10MM SB from the new team, which would never consider it.
He wants waaaaay more than a $10 mil SB. If that was what he wanted, he'd be an Eagle or traded already.
It's varied, depending on the team in question. I was going with the lowest reported number I remembered (or misremembered......).
I feel the same way about simon....we've filled the void. he barely made any plays last year and didn't do anything really. hes as good as gone imo. im cool with walker, rayburn, hollis, and patterson. im very impressed so far with patterson. hes made good plays every game, even though it is preseason. i like what i see.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 23, 2005, 08:26:47 AM
Just cut him. He'll be so out of shape that he won't be able to help another team significantly and probably won't get much of a contract. He's taking up a roster spot. Cut his ass.
burning is not an option?
If I never see Corey Simon again this season, I wouldn't care. I just want to see the team get some value for him if possible first.
i think you all are writing off Simon a little too easily. he didn't play well early in the year but really picked up his play in the 2nd half of the season.
while i am not saying they wouldn't be ok without Simon, he is not some Brandon Whiting type player who is insignificant
Quote from: T_Section224 on August 23, 2005, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 23, 2005, 08:26:47 AM
Just cut him. He'll be so out of shape that he won't be able to help another team significantly and probably won't get much of a contract. He's taking up a roster spot. Cut his ass.
burning is not an option?
I reserve that course of action for TO and TO only.
Atleast Simon isnt making a public stink. thats all.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 23, 2005, 09:43:05 AM
i think you all are writing off Simon a little too easily. he didn't play well early in the year but really picked up his play in the 2nd half of the season.
while i am not saying they wouldn't be ok without Simon, he is not some Brandon Whiting type player who is insignificant
And why didn't he play well to start the year? Because he held out of camp, got fat and disgusting, played like he was fat and disgusting and was ineffective. Didn't show/prove that he was worth even CLOSE to what he's asking for.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 23, 2005, 09:43:05 AM
i think you all are writing off Simon a little too easily. he didn't play well early in the year but really picked up his play in the 2nd half of the season.
while i am not saying they wouldn't be ok without Simon, he is not some Brandon Whiting type player who is insignificant
And why didn't he play well to start the year? Because he held out of camp, got fat and disgusting, played like he was fat and disgusting and was ineffective. Didn't show/prove that he was worth even CLOSE to what he's asking for.
actually, he didn't play well early becaust he had a foot injury in camp and couldn't get into game shape
Who needs Simon when we have Carlos Perez.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 23, 2005, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 23, 2005, 09:43:05 AM
i think you all are writing off Simon a little too easily. he didn't play well early in the year but really picked up his play in the 2nd half of the season.
while i am not saying they wouldn't be ok without Simon, he is not some Brandon Whiting type player who is insignificant
And why didn't he play well to start the year? Because he held out of camp, got fat and disgusting, played like he was fat and disgusting and was ineffective. Didn't show/prove that he was worth even CLOSE to what he's asking for.
actually, he didn't play well early becaust he had a foot injury in camp and couldn't get into game shape
That injury was a symptom of the problem
PG mentions, not the problem itself. A bona fide franchise DT worth the money this moron is asking for keeps himself in playing shape year round. That's just part of the deal if you want the big big bucks.
Dio, I didn't say he had the foot injury, I said he was fat.
We don't disagree, toots.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 23, 2005, 09:48:10 AM
Who needs Simon when we have Carlos Perez.
Phatty has clearly been the best player sponsor so far. Which is pretty non-hetero.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 23, 2005, 09:50:56 AM
We don't disagree, toots.
I know...lol. I thought in your post though, you were disagreeing about the foot injury...which was
Sun mo, not
PG ;)
Quote from: Diomedes on August 23, 2005, 09:49:45 AM
That injury was a symptom of the problem PG mentions, not the problem itself. A bona fide franchise DT worth the money this moron is asking for keeps himself in playing shape year round. That's just part of the deal if you want the big big bucks.
no, she said that he was fat and out of shape from holding out last year. he didn't hold out, he came to camp, got injured, and couldn't practice and didn't get into game shape.
but through all that, you both are acknowledging that when his is in shape, he is a dominating DT. i contend that he will come to camp in shape this year and play well. people on here act like he is the 4th DT and can easily be replaced.
He has been replaced. Drop the tag and move on.
Simon hasn't come CLOSE to dominating since his first year. He's been good or average since then.
A player that gives a shtein doesn't sit out of camp and get fat....only to come back and hurt his foot BECAUSE HE SAT OUT OF CAMP AND GOT FAT...and play like shtein until NOvember.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 09:56:48 AM
Simon hasn't come CLOSE to dominating since his first year. He's been good or average since then.
A player that gives a shtein doesn't sit out of camp and get fat....only to come back and hurt his foot BECAUSE HE SAT OUT OF CAMP AND GOT FAT...and play like shtein until NOvember.
he never sat out of camp, he was at training camp.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 23, 2005, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 23, 2005, 09:49:45 AM
That injury was a symptom of the problem PG mentions, not the problem itself. A bona fide franchise DT worth the money this moron is asking for keeps himself in playing shape year round. That's just part of the deal if you want the big big bucks.
no, she said that he was fat and out of shape from holding out last year. he didn't hold out, he came to camp, got injured, and couldn't practice and didn't get into game shape.
but through all that, you both are acknowledging that when his is in shape, he is a dominating DT. i contend that he will come to camp in shape this year and play well. people on here act like he is the 4th DT and can easily be replaced.
I know what you said, and I know what she said. My point was that his injury was a symptom of his being fat and disgusting. If he had kept his weight down and been taking care of business, the injury wouldn't have happened. Or if it did happen, it wouldn't have been as difficult to recover from. Hard to get healed properly when the injured part is carrying 40 extra pounds.
And I have not admitted that he is dominant when healthy. I haven't seen cause to use that adjective from him in quite a long time. He's an above average player who benefits by the scarcity of decent players at his position. We can do without him..especially at 6 farging mil.
You're all wrong. Simon got fat because he ate his own foot which he hurt while he was desperately dieting to lose the weight he gained from eating his cleats and shoulderpads. Now he has one foot and no pads so he can't practice.
Eagles should keep him around because DT's are hard to find and as already has been mentioned, Walker may play some in the DE rotation. I expect the same as last year, fat and out of shape for the first 4-6 weeks and then solid down the stretch. Grasmanis is done and Simon can be valuable in the DT rotation. The franchise tag doesn't bother me because I know he will not be tagged next year and he is untradeable this year due to contract demands.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 23, 2005, 08:33:29 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 23, 2005, 08:26:47 AM
He's taking up a roster spot. Cut his ass.
...and upwards of $6 mil of cap space.
Please cut him, The Freak can handle the d line 8)
LOL...we all know his arms are big enough. ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/Freak.jpg)
I was under the impression that Simon, when motivated, is an above average pass rusher, but just an average run stopper. He isn't well rounded enough to get the money he's asking for, but he's certainly a great part of any rotation. So what if he comes back to camp and the Eagles work him back into game shape as the season progresses. By the end of the season he could be useful, and gives security against injuries. I think the Eagles should hold onto him for as long as it takes. Doesn't hurt this year if he sits and it doesn't hurt if he plays.
Cut him and use the money to give Perez a big contract.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 10:36:55 AM
LOL...we all know his arms are big enough. ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/Freak.jpg)
He's 6'4", which is 76 inches. He armspan is 86 inches!!! that's.......................................................................... give or take 10 inches more? And if you don't know what I'm talking about, go back to France with your Metric system.
argh, get rid of the ........... lol
Quote from: Philly_Crew on August 23, 2005, 10:28:50 AM
Eagles should keep him around because DT's are hard to find and as already has been mentioned, Walker may play some in the DE rotation. I expect the same as last year, fat and out of shape for the first 4-6 weeks and then solid down the stretch. Grasmanis is done and Simon can be valuable in the DT rotation. The franchise tag doesn't bother me because I know he will not be tagged next year and he is untradeable this year due to contract demands.
That's incorrect, though. He was fat and out of shape, then played excellent during the middle of the season, then was fatigued and much less explosive through the playoffs.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 10:36:55 AM
LOL...we all know his arms are big enough. ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/Freak.jpg)
Phreaks arm pale in comparison to Simons huge mutha fargin legs! They are as big as individual fat people. He can't possible buy pants off the rack anywhere.
The FO should send Simon a registered letter that says,
Dear Corey,
You have not signed the tender offer we submitted, therefor you have no contract. Since you have no contract there are no implications to us removing the tag and releasing you. Good luck and try to find a job!
Very truly yours,
Joseph "Cap Master" Banner :flipoff
I don't know how they'd get an animated smilie on the letter.
They could just send him a video of Banner reading the letter and acting it out.
Casey Hampton just signed an extension for $23 million w/ a $7m bonus. The market's drying up Mr. Simon. :deion
Quote from: TempleOwl on August 23, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
Joseph "Cap Master" Banner :flipoff
:-D
Cap Master B
(not related to Grandmaster B)
(http://www.bundypics.com/614b/614_07.jpg)
Quote from: Larry on August 23, 2005, 12:23:27 PM
Casey Hampton just signed an extension for $23 million w/ a $7m bonus. The market's drying up Mr. Simon. :deion
Good luck for Corey to get much more than that.
Eckel--who said he talks frequently with Simon--said on WIP this morning that he's looking for a five year deal with a total value of $25 mil, with a signing bonus of $10-15 mil. That's WAY over-valued for Corey, IMO. He also said he was satisfied with the Franchise amount of $5+ mil for this season, but didn't necessarily want to risk injury in camp/preseason games because of a lack of a long-term deal.
He said Corey told him he's been keeping himself in shape this Summer, unlike last Summer when his planter fascia injury kept him from running (Eckel's words, not mine). Rhea pointed out he could've gone swimming, rode a bike, or something less stressful to his foot, to which Eckel didn't really respond.
Gargano later said he has a feeling something is in the works to trade Simon, possibly to Buffalo. He didn't say who he thought the Eagles may get, though (at least not while I was listening).
Yeah, they were guessing a defensive player. The only area which seems to be a little thin is DE.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 23, 2005, 01:27:09 PM
Gargano later said he has a feeling something is in the works to trade Simon, possibly to Buffalo. He didn't say who he thought the Eagles may get, though (at least not while I was listening).
Josh Reed (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302219) and draft picks for Corey would make sense for both teams IMO.
Even though Josh Reed sucks.
thanks for the info Jeff.
if you're thinking of trading Simon for a guy that sucks, why not just cut the guy and go with the inexperienced WRs you already have? no point in adding suck to a group of wide receivers.
how about we send simon to arizona, pick up boldin??? horst muffeons?>?
they recently signed Boldin to a big deal
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 23, 2005, 01:38:19 PM
if you're thinking of trading Simon for a guy that sucks, why not just cut the guy and go with the inexperienced WRs you already have? no point in adding suck to a group of wide receivers.
Me thinks he sucks less than Carlos Perez.
i can't say that i know anything about either of them. does carlos perez have any upside? If I remember correctly, Josh Reed was supposed to replace Peerless as the #2 guy in Buffalo, but sucked pretty bad.
I can't believe they set aside $5.13M for that fat fargin piece of shtein.
They should have just cut his ass and moved on.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 23, 2005, 01:27:09 PM
Eckel--who said he talks frequently with Simon--said on WIP this morning that he's looking for a five year deal with a total value of $25 mil, with a signing bonus of $10-15 mil. That's WAY over-valued for Corey, IMO. He also said he was satisfied with the Franchise amount of $5+ mil for this season, but didn't necessarily want to risk injury in camp/preseason games because of a lack of a long-term deal.
He said Corey told him he's been keeping himself in shape this Summer, unlike last Summer when his planter fascia injury kept him from running (Eckel's words, not mine). Rhea pointed out he could've gone swimming, rode a bike, or something less stressful to his foot, to which Eckel didn't really respond.
Gargano later said he has a feeling something is in the works to trade Simon, possibly to Buffalo. He didn't say who he thought the Eagles may get, though (at least not while I was listening).
I can't imagine Buffalo is going to offer him the type of contract that he wants. FFatPatt, I don't remember Simon particularly sucking in the playoffs. Looking at the stats, only Hollis really had any impact among our DT's with 1 sack and 8 tackles.
What he supposedly turned down last year:
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2004, 11:55:34 PM
5 years @ $5M = base salaries of $25 million
$25M + $7.2M = $32.2 million
5 years $32.2 million and it got turned down?
Roosevelt Barnes is one of the hardass agents. He's pretty close to the Poston Brothers as far as being low-lifes.
These negotiations are going to get very ugly I think. Banner and Reid are very movable at the table and Barnes isn't either.
Quote from: Philly_Crew on August 23, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
FFatPatt, I don't remember Simon particularly sucking in the playoffs.
Do you, then, remember him playing like a guy who deserves an 8-figure signing bonus?
How about a guy who deserves to make $5+ million in salary this year?
Hint: The answer is
HELL FARGING NO.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2005, 02:12:14 PM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 23, 2005, 01:38:19 PM
if you're thinking of trading Simon for a guy that sucks, why not just cut the guy and go with the inexperienced WRs you already have? no point in adding suck to a group of wide receivers.
Me thinks he sucks less than Carlos Perez.
You only said that to hurt me.
You're right. I'm a bastich.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 10:36:55 AM
LOL...we all know his arms are big enough. ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/Freak.jpg)
Gee, I wonder who else is in that picture. :D
Josh Parry
Josh has little kid fingers. Who knew?
makes it easier to drop a pass in the clutch. holla
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2005, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on August 23, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
FFatPatt, I don't remember Simon particularly sucking in the playoffs.
Do you, then, remember him playing like a guy who deserves an 8-figure signing bonus?
How about a guy who deserves to make $5+ million in salary this year?
Hint: The answer is HELL FARGING NO.
I agree, He wasn't making his presence known in the playoffs by any means. He had all of 5 tkls. in the playoffs and one in the SB, no sacks. Doesn't sound like a 5 million dollar player, especially after seeing how good Patterson looks. He won't be worth 5 mil with the cut in playing time he'll get if or when he comes back to the Eagles.
I think he should get something like......
5 Years, 21 million....7.5 million signing bonus. Maybe 8.
What's the difference, like 4 million? I guess Corey really needs that extra 4-5 million ::)
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on August 23, 2005, 07:11:02 PM
I think he should get something like......
5 Years, 21 million....7.5 million signing bonus. Maybe 8.
What's the difference, like 4 million? I guess Corey really needs that extra 4-5 million ::)
Might be time to ditch the s/n, Munson. :P
BrownPatterson8698 seems to be the best option nowadays
but through all that, you both are acknowledging that when his is in shape, he is a dominating DT. i contend that he will come to camp in shape this year and play well. people on here act like he is the 4th DT and can easily be replaced.
they act like that because hes in a dispute with the untouchables in the front office...so he must suck and be fat or else the gods would have paid him already
sun mo is on point like a needle...simon is a very good to great DT that this team needs and would be much better with than without...and the fact that he is so good at an important position is the reason he hasnt been let go
haters
Perhaps he's waiting for the right moment to show this alleged greatness he has. Like, say, during the playoffs or superbowl.
And what statistical data do you have to support that assertion. Regardless of his contract situation, he's been a disappointment the last few years. Did you go to camp and see him last year-- he reported in HORRIBLE shape. What has he done that's worthy of being the highest paid at his position? Or even close?
Man... I feel a "Myth of Simon's Greatness" thread coming on...
:-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 10:47:56 AM
argh, get rid of the ........... lol
Sorry, I was having trouble processing it ???
Quote from: JailBird-man on August 23, 2005, 11:06:39 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 10:36:55 AM
LOL...we all know his arms are big enough. ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/Freak.jpg)
Phreaks arm pale in comparison to Simons huge mutha fargin legs! They are as big as individual fat people. He can't possible buy pants off the rack anywhere.
We're not going to need his Ostrich legs. Since when did a defensive linemen need to wrap his legs around a quarterback
>.>
<.<
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 07:47:26 PMthey act like that because hes in a dispute with the untouchables in the front office...so he must suck and be fat or else the gods would have paid him already
I gotta hand it to you, you know how to be one insulting motherfarger.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 23, 2005, 09:50:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 07:47:26 PMthey act like that because hes in a dispute with the untouchables in the front office...so he must suck and be fat or else the gods would have paid him already
I gotta hand it to you, you know how to be an idiot.
Fixed.
maybe Simon is the smartest guy. He gets paid 5 million bucks to miss training camp.
Quote from: MURP on August 24, 2005, 08:55:15 AM
maybe Simon is the smartest guy. He gets paid 5 million bucks to miss training camp.
His string theory lecture series was the toast of MIT a few months back too.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 24, 2005, 09:01:10 AM
Quote from: MURP on August 24, 2005, 08:55:15 AM
maybe Simon is the smartest guy. He gets paid 5 million bucks to miss training camp.
His string theory lecture series was the toast of MIT a few months back too.
Am I the only person who finds this funny?
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 24, 2005, 09:01:10 AM
Quote from: MURP on August 24, 2005, 08:55:15 AM
maybe Simon is the smartest guy. He gets paid 5 million bucks to miss training camp.
His string theory lecture series was the toast of MIT a few months back too.
LOL @ MURP and QB Eagles.
But yes, Simon is still dumb. ;)
Quantum physics is the shiznit, yo!
:D
Someone asked for statistical proof of Simon being great...
How about the highest 4-5 year sack total for a DT in team history? And top 2 or 3 in the league in sacks for DT's since he entered?
Or something that doesn't show up on stat sheets, his constantly being double and even triple teamed, freeing up others on the line to be one-on-one?
I guess he's not that good....Doesn't deservet he money he wants, but I still think it'd be good to keep him and pay him top 8ish money.
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on August 24, 2005, 10:34:16 AM
Someone asked for statistical proof of Simon being great...
Or something that doesn't show up on stat sheets, his constantly being double and even triple teamed, freeing up others on the line to be one-on-one?
You what else doesn't show up in the stat sheets? When a player is obviously underacheiving his potential and has a knack for appearing complacent and lazy.... Coaches can see when guys aren't into it or concentrating. That might be why him and Walker were benched in favor of Hollis and Rayburn"The Mad Trucker" last year. Stats are numbers only, they aren't the end all of judging a player. The Freak had a smallish number of sacks but influenced QBs and the team with his presence alot. How many times do sacks come in bunches or are the result of blocking whiffs and missed assignments? They aren't as important as tackles and general hustle.
his potential and has a knack for appearing complacent and lazy
^^^^
completely false
its amazing how stuff like that gets started...he has never once shown to have been complacent or lazy...he was a little off for about one half season out of his entire career...and that was last year because of the injury...once past that he played close to a probowl level as he always has
if you dont like the fact that hes holding out i can understand that but to completely make-up or believe things that are absolutely not true about the guy as a way of validating your opinion of his holding out is wrong
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2005, 12:45:08 PM
his potential and has a knack for appearing complacent and lazy
^^^^
completely false
its amazing how stuff like that gets started...he has never once shown to have been complacent or lazy...he was a little off for about one half season out of his entire career...and that was last year because of the injury...once past that he played close to a probowl level as he always has
if you dont like the fact that hes holding out i can understand that but to completely make-up or believe things that are absolutely not true about the guy as a way of validating your opinion of his holding out is wrong
And that's why one of his close buddies on the team (Hugh Douglas) hinted at Corey being a bit lazy in camp....
IGY is just being contrary. No one can possibly think that Simon is actually one of the elite DTs in the league anymore.
When he tries and is in shape and put forth his all, he's a really good pass-rushing DT who is average (at best) against the run and who still thinks he's better than he is. But since he isn't trying right now and won't be in shape he's nothing but a big body who will almost certainly be outplayed by a rookie. Period.
I have to disagree with you there RJS. I think Simon is a top DT in the league when he's in shape, tries, and puts forth all his effort. But all 3 have to be there or he's just an average DT...
Not an average starting DT, just an average DT. That's simply not good enough.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 23, 2005, 08:31:27 PM
Man... I feel a "Myth of Simon's Greatness" thread coming on...
It's too bad most of that was deleted, it would have been great to pull his observations out now. :-D
Other V-man classics:
"Why All The Mahe Haters? What has Westbrook Ever Done?"
"CAN YOUR OWENS FANTASIES... Or those involving any "name" receiver "
"LITO AIN'T NO BOBBY TAYLOR"
"THE TALENT DRAIN HAS CAUGHT UP TO US "
"UMMMM MAYBE RICKY WILLIAMS WASN'T SUCH A BAD IDEA?" :-D
"TWO WORDS: KORI DICKERSON"
"COULD FREDDIE BROWN NOSE MCNABB ANYMORE?"
"HAVE WE IMPROVED? Looks like the Skins have... "
"WHILE VINCENT AND TAYLOR HOPE FOR NEW CONTRACTS... Spads brags about Lito and Sheldon.."
You can feel free to look up "since75" on this board.
Wait, I think that's who Phreak said he was on here. :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 03:26:21 PM
You can feel free to look up "since75" on this board.
Wait, I think that's who Phreak said he was on here. :paranoid
I looked him up & it doesn't seem like the same guy. "Since75" seems too "giddy" to be him.
Since75 != vermeilman
I thought vermy was Boryla on this board........
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 24, 2005, 04:18:43 PM
I thought vermy was Boryla on this board........
That's who it was...thanks MMH...how could I forget? :-D
Since75 was just some racist bigot from Western Carolina.
god i love vm
All of the Corey contract talk aside...
After re-watching some of the Ravens game last night, I was amazed at watching Mike Patterson just blow through double teams on the Ravens OL, most of which looked like their first team. On his sack, he plowed right through two guys to Boller, almost unabated. The thoughts of him, an in-shape Corey, Hollis and Rayburn in the interior line is definitely football-bonerific!
Patterson, in-shape Corey and Choppa in the middle will clog up interior rushing, and put some pressure on QBs from the middle of the line. Who do you double-team?? Add Freak and whomever is playing the other DE, and they're going to have one serious DL this season.
I've been trying to tell you that Patterson rules. Start listening.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 24, 2005, 08:04:38 PM
All of the Corey contract talk aside...
After re-watching some of the Ravens game last night, I was amazed at watching Mike Patterson just blow through double teams on the Ravens OL, most of which looked like their first team. On his sack, he plowed right through two guys to Boller, almost unabated. The thoughts of him, an in-shape Corey, Hollis and Rayburn in the interior line is definitely football-bonerific!
Patterson, in-shape Corey and Choppa in the middle will clog up interior rushing, and put some pressure on QBs from the middle of the line. Who do you double-team?? Add Freak and whomever is playing the other DE, and they're going to have one serious DL this season.
Whoa whoa whoa. You can't forget Walker ;D
Quote from: General_Failure on August 24, 2005, 03:04:19 PM
Not an average starting DT, just an average DT. That's simply not good enough.
Of course, Reid is the one who tagged Simon and looks like he wants him for the season. If he's good enough for Reid, he's good enough for me.
Looks like he wants him for the season, that's why he's been trying to trade the guy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 07:47:26 PM
but through all that, you both are acknowledging that when his is in shape, he is a dominating DT. i contend that he will come to camp in shape this year and play well. people on here act like he is the 4th DT and can easily be replaced.
they act like that because hes in a dispute with the untouchables in the front office...so he must suck and be fat or else the gods would have paid him already
sun mo is on point like a needle...simon is a very good to great DT that this team needs and would be much better with than without...and the fact that he is so good at an important position is the reason he hasnt been let go
haters
Wow...Simon is sure in shape...wonder WHY the Eagles didn't pay him? :o
the eagles had him for 'free' this year...he will play into shape and be very valuable come playoff and superbowl time
that said he looked like the guy from seven who ate himself to death on spaghetti
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2005, 11:41:26 AM
the eagles had him for 'free' this year...he will play into shape and be very valuable come playoff and superbowl time
that said he looked like the guy from seven who ate himself to death on spaghetti
For free? $5.13 mil is free?
free in the sense that it wouldnt have affected their salary cap for this year
i mean even if he sucked the money comes off after this year...and why do you care whether they wasted money on a one year player...money that wasnt going to be spent THIS year anyway
skinny DT's are the rage.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2005, 11:46:52 AM
..money that wasnt going to be spent THIS year anyway
\
Well, what makes you think that's not going to be used? I still believe Westbrook will get his deal, and I still believe Lewis, Hood, Akers will be done. I also am starting to believe...that if TO gets through this season and plays like last year and doesn't farg up with his mouth...he's going to get his money next year. :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 12, 2005, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2005, 11:46:52 AM
..money that wasnt going to be spent THIS year anyway
\
Well, what makes you think that's not going to be used? I still believe Westbrook will get his deal, and I still believe Lewis, Hood, Akers will be done. I also am starting to believe...that if TO gets through this season and plays like last year and doesn't farg up with his mouth...he's going to get his money next year. :paranoid
Well, that's what Mort said so you know it's golden! :paranoid
simon would've been a 1 year rental...and we all know he would have eventually played his way back into shape. if they wind up spending all that $$$ THIS YEAR, i'll reconsider my opinion.
Well, what makes you think that's not going to be used?
if westbrook and or lewis get re-upped it will make me feel better about it...but why couldnt you have done them after the season and kept simon
i also am starting to believe...that if TO gets through this season and plays like last year and doesn't farg up with his mouth...he's going to get his money next year
TO is locked up and if his option is picked up it will be in march and thus has no effect on whether they kept simon or not
they could have kept simon and still signed westbrook or lewis this season and the other in the offseason
who cares if they wasted 5 mil this year on simon...if he sucks then they still have all their other tackles everyone is so happy with...and if he is great their defense is helped considerably...its was easily worth the 5 mil
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 12, 2005, 11:59:13 AM
Well, that's what Mort said so you know it's golden! :paranoid
Didn't hear that, but Mort's a jackass, so maybe I'm wrong. lol
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 12:00:03 PM
simon would've been a 1 year rental...and we all know he would have eventually played his way back into shape. if they wind up spending all that $$$ THIS YEAR, i'll reconsider my opinion.
Simon's NEVER Been this fat. EVER. You're being extremely optimistic to honestly believe that.
He lied and said he was in shape. If you think the dude is going to drop 50 lbs this year, you're crazy.
No NFL team needs to spend 5mil on a guy who needs to play himself into shape. That's what the offseason and preseason are for. It's his job. Sarcasm?
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 12:00:03 PM
...and we all know he would have eventually played his way back into shape.
He lied and said he was in shape. If you think the dude is going to drop 50 lbs this year, you're crazy
who cares...if hes a fat sow all year what do you lose
the colts brought him in for a physical and still signed him (long term no less)...because they want to do anything and everything to win a superbowl this year...like the eagles its their time...unlike the eagles they seem to realize it and are trying to do anything and everything possible to win it
igy already posted what i was going to say....the 5 mill means nothing to the eagles unless they use it elsewhere to improve this year's team. so far, they haven't.
but i'm not going to let it ruin my day...once lamar gordon starts lighting up the vicks tonight, i'll forget all about it. :yay
good god he looked fargin fatter than all hell last night. he didn't do shtein. i watched him on some plays and he was getting owned! so out of shape...good luck colts :yay
If anyone has the balls to say that Simon didn't get his fat ass owned all night last night they're either lying or they didn't watch the game.
(http://www.elytigerfootball.homestead.com/formerplayers/corey_simon.jpg)
(http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/gameday_dump/GE5K2532.jpg)
i thought it was funny when they were talking about him as he came on the field in the 3rd quarter. Then they showed him 2 plays later calling for a sub.
He's pushing Gilbert Brown territory now.
Just sickening.
(http://www.mccullough-net.com/images/coreysimon.jpg)
:-D :-D :-D
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16365.0
SD :P
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 12, 2005, 01:35:26 PM
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16365.0
SD :P
??? Not posted there.
A similar picture was posted, though, so you still suck.
eh, I HAD posted it...where the farg? ???
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 12, 2005, 01:53:10 PM
eh, I HAD posted it...where the farg? ???
Oh, is that the picture you attempted to post from a site where people have to register to view the pics?
Well, in that case... you're the one that sucks. :yay
I didn't have to register for it? wtf?
Did you by any chance find it through google?
No, on another board.
Isn't there a nursery rhyme about Simon meeting a pie man going to a fair?
No, but rumor has it he's purchased a house at the top of a beanstalk.
Hunt,
He's not going to "play himself into shape" this time. Even if/when he does lose some of that weight he's still not the DT who he was drafted to be. He is/was supposed to be a pocket collapsing, pass rushing DT who could generate heat on QBs.
He's not going to be able to use his quickness because that quickness is gone. Last night he was the sole Colts DL who was getting stuffed at the point-of-attack.
He's a pass rushing DT who is now built like a run stuffing DT. Problem is...he cannot stop the run.
but McGuire said he is a "stallwort" run-stopper? he couldn't be wrong, could he?
Stop apologizing for this penny-pinching FO. They could afford him, but they chose to let him walk.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 12, 2005, 02:36:02 PM
but McGuire said he is a "stallwort" run-stopper? he couldn't be wrong, could he?
Those guys are hilarious. Did anyone else catch when Patrick said that Peyton Manning was the most prepared QB in the game? Joey leg got all pissed off, saying stuff like, "No way that's true. There's Tom Brady and others out there, and they all prepare." Then Patrick said, "But I just said Peyton was the BEST prepared."
Leg: "Oh, you did? Ok, I agree with that."
Listening to them is hil-farging-larious. Worst announcing crew ever.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 12, 2005, 02:37:02 PM
Stop apologizing for this penny-pinching FO. They could afford him, but they chose to let him walk.
We;re all a bunch of no-good Lurielappers.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 12, 2005, 02:36:02 PM
but McGuire said he is a "stallwort" run-stopper? he couldn't be wrong, could he?
:-D
I loved how they were jerkin off about how the Colts defense is the ex-Dungy Bucs defense...
"Corey Simon is Warren Sapp! Dwight Freeney is Simeon Rice! Cato June is Derrick Brooks!"
Cato f'ing June?!? :-D
I don't understand why you just wouldn't pay the man $5 million to be an average-ish DT. It's totally worth it.
Totally.
Sing along, kids.
Who's our favorite player?
Mister Cato June!
(http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/gameday_dump/GE5K2532.jpg)(http://www.concretefield.net/uploads/PhillyGirl/hollis_01.jpg)
When you make Hollis look skinny, it's time to push your fat fargin ass away from the buffet line at Sizzler.
I hope we play the Colts in the SB this year. I can't wait to see Shawn Andrews make tons-o-fun his bitch.
And then eat him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 12, 2005, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 12, 2005, 02:37:02 PM
Stop apologizing for this penny-pinching FO. They could afford him, but they chose to let him walk.
We;re all a bunch of no-good Lurielappers.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HPPAHAFCOKLF/120904-lurie.jpg)
Okay. But only if I have to.
:paranoid
Does Romey not know the meaning behind Lurielappers? :o
Hollis looks like the anorexic Lindsay Lohan in that comparison.
You have your meaning and I'll have mine (no matter how perverted or sickening it might be).
:evil
Simon seems to be a strange kind of two dimensional fat. It's freaking me out.
Wonder how big he is when he takes off the girdle.
(http://www.concretefield.net/uploads/PhillyGirl/hollis_01.jpg)
Corey's fatter than meeeeeeee... :-D
Simon's listed at 293 on the Colts' official site.
If he's 293 lbs, I'm 93 lbs.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 12, 2005, 02:53:51 PM
Wonder how big he is when he takes off the girdle.
We're talking serious muffin top issues now.
STOP POSTING THE PICTURE OF COREY SIMON'S CAMELTOE!
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 12, 2005, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 12, 2005, 02:36:02 PM
but McGuire said he is a "stallwort" run-stopper? he couldn't be wrong, could he?
Those guys are hilarious. Did anyone else catch when Patrick said that Peyton Manning was the most prepared QB in the game? Joey leg got all pissed off, saying stuff like, "No way that's true. There's Tom Brady and others out there, and they all prepare." Then Patrick said, "But I just said Peyton was the BEST prepared."
Leg: "Oh, you did? Ok, I agree with that."
Listening to them is hil-farging-larious. Worst announcing crew ever.
they are the worst, they miss so many details to the game because they constantly try to tell their clever little tidbits.
My wife and I were watching the game last night. It got so bad that I just listened to my iPod instead of those assclowns.
Theismann embarrasses himself and ESPN everytime he gets behind a microphone.
i ate lunch two tables from theismann last week...hes a good looking guy but one of those people that is always talking to everyone in the room rather than who hes with
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2005, 03:27:28 PM
i ate lunch two tables from theismann last week...hes a good looking guy
oh my.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2005, 03:27:28 PM
i ate lunch two tables from theismann last week...hes a good looking guy
That answers a lot of questions about you IGY. Inner anger can make people goofy....
New signature quote!
i had tix to last game but had to pass it up because of work.
simon looks disgusting. he has never been that fat before.
LOL...Bill Conlin on DNL just said that Simon must have eaten the 7 off of his jersey.
:-D
Coming from Conlin, that's just classic.
I made that joke during the game, nobody says a word. Conlin says it and you're ready to have his babies. You disgust me.
If "7" did, in fact, eat "8" & "9", as the cheesy joke would have us believe, then Corey really ate "7", "8", & "9".
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2005, 02:34:43 PM
Hunt,
He's not going to "play himself into shape" this time. Even if/when he does lose some of that weight he's still not the DT who he was drafted to be. He is/was supposed to be a pocket collapsing, pass rushing DT who could generate heat on QBs.
He's not going to be able to use his quickness because that quickness is gone. Last night he was the sole Colts DL who was getting stuffed at the point-of-attack.
He's a pass rushing DT who is now built like a run stuffing DT. Problem is...he cannot stop the run.
so either trade him & get something in return or line up a big bag filled with 5 million dollars & see if it can make a stop on 3rd & 2 cuz they sure haven't spent any of it to improve the team.
go-go-gordon! :yay
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2005, 02:34:43 PM
Hunt,
He's not going to "play himself into shape" this time. Even if/when he does lose some of that weight he's still not the DT who he was drafted to be. He is/was supposed to be a pocket collapsing, pass rushing DT who could generate heat on QBs.
He's not going to be able to use his quickness because that quickness is gone. Last night he was the sole Colts DL who was getting stuffed at the point-of-attack.
He's a pass rushing DT who is now built like a run stuffing DT. Problem is...he cannot stop the run.
so either trade him & get something in return or line up a big bag filled with 5 million dollars & see if it can make a stop on 3rd & 2 cuz they sure haven't spent any of it to improve the team.
go-go-gordon! :yay
Did you miss the part when they tried to trade him but he refused to accept BAL & CIN's contract proposals?
This 5-man DT rotation will be better than last year.
I missed Corey's big stops last year. Got video of that by chance? :D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2005, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2005, 02:34:43 PM
Hunt,
He's not going to "play himself into shape" this time. Even if/when he does lose some of that weight he's still not the DT who he was drafted to be. He is/was supposed to be a pocket collapsing, pass rushing DT who could generate heat on QBs.
He's not going to be able to use his quickness because that quickness is gone. Last night he was the sole Colts DL who was getting stuffed at the point-of-attack.
He's a pass rushing DT who is now built like a run stuffing DT. Problem is...he cannot stop the run.
so either trade him & get something in return or line up a big bag filled with 5 million dollars & see if it can make a stop on 3rd & 2 cuz they sure haven't spent any of it to improve the team.
go-go-gordon! :yay
Did you miss the part when they tried to trade him but he refused to accept BAL & CIN's contract proposals?
Oh, it's not his fault they wouldn't offer him bajillions of dollars.
then spend the 5 mill to make this year's team better...
Stop whining and complaning. Use the taterskin approach to being a fan and simply nod your head and agree with what the gold almighty head coach does.
Quote from: MDS on September 12, 2005, 06:56:38 PM
Stop whining and complaning. Use the CF approach to being a fan and simply nod your head and agree with what the gold almighty head coach does.
you're right...what am i thinking. :paranoid
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 06:54:27 PM
then spend the 5 mill to make this year's team better...
Who is out there to get right now to make this team better, Hunt? Waiver wire is pretty light on talent these days, no?
They'll use the money. They always do.
No. The fact that it's not in use this very second makes baby Jesus cry tears of blood!
then cut him earlier when there's more talent available to sign with that 5 mill.
spend it.......spend it, i say!
Then you'd cry that they never gave him a chance to sign.
Simon had no trade value with the franchise tag. He knew he'd make $5m+ on a Super Bowl contender if he didn't accept the new team's offer, so he asked for a ton from the perspective suitors. Once he was cut from the tag, his demands went drastically down. When another contending team offered him basically the same as the franchise tag (except all up front), he basically had to take it. This contract is the equivalent of him signing a one year deal and then the team having the option to sign him to a new deal with an $8m signing bonus.
And that was the best offer he could get.
The evolution of Corey Simon? (courtesy of pft.com)
(http://www.profootballtalk.com/COREY912.jpg)
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 07:02:59 PM
spend it.......spend it, i say!
This is a Yankee "fan" talking, mind you. Thinks spending will solve every problem.
Glad to see Corey looking so good. I'm sure Indy is real happy with their fat, slow, 20 play per game money pit.
I'm willing to bet that Corey Simon will be a FA after this year.
Indy has that $8M option bonus to pay him in March '06. I say he doesn't get it.
yeah...that's relevant.
dope.
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 06:54:27 PM
then spend the 5 mill to make this year's team better...
Just an FYI--In terms of 'overall payroll' we're second highest in the league behind the Skins.
So what? There's $12 mil under the cap that they're not spending. This makes them cheaper than even the Cardinals.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 12, 2005, 07:04:30 PM
Simon had no trade value with the franchise tag. He knew he'd make $5m+ on a Super Bowl contender if he didn't accept the new team's offer, so he asked for a ton from the perspective suitors. Once he was cut from the tag, his demands went drastically down. When another contending team offered him basically the same as the franchise tag (except all up front), he basically had to take it. This contract is the equivalent of him signing a one year deal and then the team having the option to sign him to a new deal with an $8m signing bonus.
And that was the best offer he could get.
so you're saying a series of miscalculations by the eagles' front office led to them losing a former 1st round pick & pro bowler & getting nothing in return...now we're getting somewhere. :-D
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 07:10:50 PM
yeah...that's relevant.
dope.
As I've said before, I'd rather the money is used to line Lurie's pockets than to pay Simon.
Simon sucks. A waste of talent like him on the team only makes the team worse. A coach/GM has to show his players that working hard for the good of the team is rewarded. The DT's in camp were working hard and playing well, so they are rewarded with an extra roster spot to fight for.
Farg Simon.
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 07:12:39 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 12, 2005, 07:04:30 PM
Simon had no trade value with the franchise tag. He knew he'd make $5m+ on a Super Bowl contender if he didn't accept the new team's offer, so he asked for a ton from the perspective suitors. Once he was cut from the tag, his demands went drastically down. When another contending team offered him basically the same as the franchise tag (except all up front), he basically had to take it. This contract is the equivalent of him signing a one year deal and then the team having the option to sign him to a new deal with an $8m signing bonus.
And that was the best offer he could get.
so you're saying a series of miscalculations by the eagles' front office led to them losing a former 1st round pick & pro bowler & getting nothing in return...now we're getting somewhere. :-D
They lose players every year and get nothing in return. It's called free agency. They tried to trade him. Once again...I ask if you missed that part of it, bro.
If they would have just given him a super duper offer two years ago he probably never would have gotten out of shape and he'd still be the second most overhyped DT after Sapp.
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 07:12:39 PM
so you're saying a series of miscalculations by the eagles' front office led to them losing a former 1st round pick & pro bowler & getting nothing in return...now we're getting somewhere. :-D
They miscalculated nothing, except Simon's laziness. They figured that an in-decent-shape Simon for a 1-year, $5m deal was good for the Eagles. As they started to realize he wouldn't play until he absolutely had to, despite wanting huge money and having only minimal footing/proof to deserve it, they tried to trade him. That didn't work, so they kept him on the tag as insurance until they got through most of the pre-season healthy and solid at the DT position. When that happened, they cut ties with him.
It was ridiculously thoroughly calculated, from start to finish.
And even if they didn't rescind the FT this year - he leaves after the season and they get nothing for him then too.
Simon looked like crap. I'm betting, like I said earlier, that IND doesn't pay him his $8M bonus in March and he's a UFA again.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 12, 2005, 07:16:42 PM
healthy and solid at the DT position.
[insert preseason run defense boilerplate here]
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 12, 2005, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 07:10:50 PM
yeah...that's relevant.
dope.
As I've said before, I'd rather the money is used to line Lurie's pockets than to pay Simon.
well...you got your wish.
btw, my post was in reply to the tard who hasn't figured out the difference between team payrolls in baseball & football. :P
:-o
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 07:24:20 PM
well...you got your wish.
Yep, and whether they use the "Banner loophole" to push the cap room to 2006 or use the money to extend some players that actually deserve to be a part of this team for years to come... I can still rest easy known that they didn't flush it down Corey Simon's toilet. Literally.
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 07:24:20 PM
btw, my post was in reply to the tard who hasn't figured out the difference between team payrolls in baseball & football. :P
I knew that, but the fact still remains that spending every dollar under the cap, even if the value is simply not there, is not generally a smart idea. Banner can find many hidden ways to "squirrel" it away.
Long after the John Claytons and Len Pasquerellis have stopped keeping track of cap room, Banner always makes a couple of small adjustments in veteran contracts. To the best of my recollection, the Eagles have never finished a cap year more than $3m under the cap.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 12, 2005, 07:12:15 PM
So what? There's $12 mil under the cap that they're not spending.
true....but they ALWAYS spend it...ALWAYS!
i read that somewhere.
Well that $5 mil from Simon is all going to Akers, so that leaves seven mil to split between Westbrook, M Lewis, and incentive bonuses.
Found another pic:
(http://www.colts.com/images%5Cnews_photos%5C97_simon/2005_0911_bal_230_macht_a.jpg)
Good Lord.
(http://www.hostbidder.com/images/smilies/beat_deadhorse.gif)
:-D
I hope you're not going to the game tomorrow. You've become unbearable.
this is totally unrelated but when i did a google image search for "beat a dead horse" this pic of mike tice came up:
(http://www.packerpalace.com/palace02/ticevikex.gif)
:paranoid :-D
:-D :-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 17, 2005, 08:46:20 PM
I hope you're not going to the game tomorrow. You've become unbearable.
get over yourself, waco kid...nobody cares. ::) ::)
:-o
Let's settle this rif with a Steel Cage death match.
I've PG, she seems fiesty. And Hunt seems like a vadge.