CSn reporting that Westbrook has not shown up and will not show up soon. The Eagles will release a statement soon...
Good one, Phreak. :-D
No joke, bro...
The Eagles will be fining Westbrook $6000 per day....
Stop it, you're killing me! :-D
:paranoid
So much for Westbrook and Fletcher Smith saying that they realized that the only way to get something done is to be in camp and be playing...
I'm shocked that Fletcher Smith would hold him out too. This is the last thing that the Eagles need.
Oh, man... you gotta be kidding me. This is true, dammit.
Are we ever gonna farging get a break as fans?
Jesus. :-[
Yeah, its for real, bro. Unforunately. :-\
Unbelievable. :boo
The funny thing is, I was at a Reebok Factory Store in St. Augustine yesterday and they had Westbrook replica jerseys on sale for like $35.
Glad I didn't buy one.
I too saw it reported on comcast.
doesnt make much sense for him to do this.
No sense at ALL.
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=15436.0
You know McNabb is going to be on the phone with Smith being like, Dude...wtf are you doing to me over here?
Yep, no joke...I saw it, too.
I did read in the Inquirer today that Westbrook's negotiations were ongoing, with a lot still left to be done, but the tone seemed upbeat.
Quote from Fletcher Smith in this morning's Philadelphia Inquirer:
Quote"It's no secret it has been a tough market for running backs this year," Smith said. "Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James coudn't get deals done. There's no question in my mind that if Brian had played in the Carolina game [the NFC title game] two years ago, the Eagles are probably in the Super Bowl. But, how does that translate into the open market and, more important, what's that worth to the Eagles? That's where myself and Brian may differ with the Eagles. We're diligently working, but we're not there yet."
That sounded kind of guardedly positive, and Westbrook has said all along he'd be in camp while they work out an extension...so, naturally, he ends up being the lone hold-out. Wonder if he was annoyed with all of the attention TO's been getting, while fans have kind of mostly ignored his contract situation.
Hope he comes to his senses quickly.
Man, what a dumbass thing for Westbrook to do. I don't understand this at all. He said himself that when he spoke to Big Red that he knew it was best for him to be there because they won't give him a thing unless he's there playing ball.
What a crazy ass off-season/begining to camp.
Westbrook should face heat too. He signed that tender and knew the Eagles would talk long term deal once it was signed and he was in camp.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 01, 2005, 07:08:45 PM
Yep, no joke...I saw it, too.
I did read in the Inquirer today that Westbrook's negotiations were ongoing, with a lot still left to be done, but the tone seemed upbeat.
Quote from Fletcher Smith in this morning's Philadelphia Inquirer:
Quote"It's no secret it has been a tough market for running backs this year," Smith said. "Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James coudn't get deals done. There's no question in my mind that if Brian had played in the Carolina game [the NFC title game] two years ago, the Eagles are probably in the Super Bowl. But, how does that translate into the open market and, more important, what's that worth to the Eagles? That's where myself and Brian may differ with the Eagles. We're diligently working, but we're not there yet."
That sounded kind of guardedly positive, and Westbrook has said all along he'd be in camp while they work out an extension...so, naturally, he ends up being the lone hold-out. Wonder if he was annoyed with all of the attention TO's been getting, while fans have kind of mostly ignored his contract situation.
Hope he comes to his senses quickly.
Yeah, I don't get that either. I read that this morning too. And Fletcher Smith knows the Eagles very well and knows how they operate. He must know this will accomplish nothing.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 01, 2005, 07:08:45 PM
Wonder if he was annoyed with all of the attention TO's been getting, while fans have kind of mostly ignored his contract situation.
I really don't think that has a damn thing to do with anything, IMO.
Go Phillies :'(
Yay. More idiocy. I hate caring about this.
What the freak is going on here!! :o Westbrook is pulling a Duce Staley here... get used to MOATS people.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 01, 2005, 07:08:45 PM
Wonder if he was annoyed with all of the attention TO's been getting, while fans have kind of mostly ignored his contract situation.
I really don't think that has a damn thing to do with anything, IMO.
I'm sure it didn't...it just seems to be from way out in left field, it doesn't make much sense.
Quote from: necrandall on August 01, 2005, 07:21:47 PM
What the freak is going on here!! :o Westbrook is pulling a Duce Staley here... get used to MOATS people.
OK, I don't think we need to go THAT far. ::)
Supposedly the NFL Channel has said that Fletcher Smith thought that Westbrook was going to show up. And that the Eagles have offered him a contract on par with what Cincy gave Rudi Johnson...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2005, 07:23:39 PM
Supposedly the NFL Channel has said that Fletcher Smith thought that Westbrook was going to show up. And that the Eagles have offered him a contract on par with what Cincy gave Rudi Johnson...
then WTF is going on?
Did Fletcher Smith say that they had a contract offer or did the NFL Network say that? I'm so confused.
Whatever. If Moats can catch, run him as the starter and I bet he'll do what Westbrook does. Fast small back. Same build, same skill set. Whatever.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 07:25:22 PM
Whatever. If Moats can catch, run him as the starter and I bet he'll do what Westbrook does. Fast small back. Same build, same skill set. Whatever.
Westbrook = proven
Moats = not proven
Are you crazy?
He may have the same skill set, but not necessarily the same levels of skill in those sets.
Burn Westbrook.
When do we set him on fire? >:D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:25:21 PM
Did Fletcher Smith say that they had a contract offer or did the NFL Network say that? I'm so confused.
My boy from work called me and said that he heard on NFL network that Westbrook's agent said that he was expected to show up. And he said that the Eagles had offered that contract to him, but didn't say whether Smith said that (I doubt it, agents usually won't go into detail on the record like that)....I'm trying to call him back, but I the way he made it sound was that the NFL network guys said that about the contract. But the agent did say that Westbrook was supposed to be there....
Hey I agree. Moats does not equal westbrook, but fargit, if he's gonna be a fleshpop or TO is gonna be a fleshpop or anyone is gonna be a fleshpop, then fargem. Burn his ass.
Does the fact that his agent thought he was going to be there and was unaware of this make anyone a little nervous perhaps for Westbrook? Did somethign happen to him?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 07:25:22 PM
Whatever. If Moats can catch, run him as the starter and I bet he'll do what Westbrook does. Fast small back. Same build, same skill set. Whatever.
Buck would start until he gets hurt or high again...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2005, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 07:25:22 PM
Whatever. If Moats can catch, run him as the starter and I bet he'll do what Westbrook does. Fast small back. Same build, same skill set. Whatever.
Buck would start until he gets hurt or high again...
farging great.
Maybe he got shot in Miami.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:29:17 PM
Does the fact that his agent thought he was going to be there and was unaware of this make anyone a little nervous perhaps for Westbrook? Did somethign happen to him?
If something did happen I'm sure the Eagles wouldn't have said that they will release a statement on this later tonight.
He's a little guy, maybe they just misplaced him when they were unpacking.
Eh, who knows, maybe he got stuck somewhere with no cell phone reception. these things happen. ;)
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2005, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 07:25:22 PM
Whatever. If Moats can catch, run him as the starter and I bet he'll do what Westbrook does. Fast small back. Same build, same skill set. Whatever.
Buck would start until he gets hurt or high again...
farging great.
Thinking of Moats trying to pick up a blitzer makes me nervous. But then again, no one ever accused Buck of being able to block good either.
I hate this drama.
Get to camp and play football you sissybitches!
Boo Westbrook! :P
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:29:17 PM
Does the fact that his agent thought he was going to be there and was unaware of this make anyone a little nervous perhaps for Westbrook? Did somethign happen to him?
maybe he's just another greed minded nfl'er that only cares about more :deion :deion :deion :deion
Quote from: General_Failure on August 01, 2005, 07:32:52 PM
He's a little guy, maybe they just misplaced him when they were unpacking.
Did he have the FRAGILE stamps on him? :paranoid
Quote from: Wingspan on August 01, 2005, 07:33:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:29:17 PM
Does the fact that his agent thought he was going to be there and was unaware of this make anyone a little nervous perhaps for Westbrook? Did somethign happen to him?
maybe he's just another greed minded nfl'er that only cares about more
Rudi Johnson got a good deal, didn't he? What would he be holding out for? Ladainian Tomlinson money? Priest Holmes? I don't get it?
I've gotten lost on my way to Lehigh more than once.
:paranoid
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:36:06 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on August 01, 2005, 07:33:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:29:17 PM
Does the fact that his agent thought he was going to be there and was unaware of this make anyone a little nervous perhaps for Westbrook? Did somethign happen to him?
maybe he's just another greed minded nfl'er that only cares about more
Rudi Johnson got a good deal, didn't he? What would he be holding out for? Ladainian Tomlinson money? Priest Holmes? I don't get it?
He wants TO money. :)
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 01, 2005, 07:37:03 PM
I've gotten lost on my way to Lehigh more than once.
:paranoid
ditto. :-D
I think he called Banner/Reid and told them that he wasn't coming....
http://www.philaphans.com/forums/showthread.php%20&threadid=27129
Quotewell, spadaro found out from joe banner and spadaro told my mom, who's in charge of the Eagles website, so unless they are mistaken, that's what has transpired thus far.
This kid posted the thread at 6:34pm, before CSN reported it...
Quote from: Wingspan on August 01, 2005, 07:33:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:29:17 PM
Does the fact that his agent thought he was going to be there and was unaware of this make anyone a little nervous perhaps for Westbrook? Did somethign happen to him?
maybe he's just another greed minded nfl'er that only cares about more :deion :deion :deion :deion
Yeah. 'Maybe.'
Im not worried, Westbrook has no leverage. The Eagles dont have to give him a big deal if they dont want to. If Westy sits all year they still retain his rights for next season. He will be there one way or another.
Go Mahe!
the mistake westbrook made was signing the tender...why would you do that then hold out
however the hold out is the smartest thing he could do...a guy with a history of serious knee injuries going back to high school should not be playing on a small one year contract
unlike TO i cant hate on him for this holdout
Yeah, but he had no choice but to sign that tender, IGY...
If he didn't sign the $1.43M tender by a certain date then the Eagles can reduce that $1.43M number drastically...
Any holdout is stupid. Even if he got a serious injury he's still making over a million bucks not counting what he got the past 3 years either.
And he said himself that the best thing to do was show up and talk it out while being in camp.
Check that...
He's now making $1,424,000 this season...
;)
So this is an official holdout now? He's not stuck to Runyan's back like a dryer sheet?
he didnt have to sign anything...yes the tender would have been reduced...but thats not the point...he would have been holding out for a long term deal...which is his ultimate goal anyway
i disagree as far as this holdout being stupid...whats stopping him from blowing out his knee in the wednesday morning practice...or hell even tomorrows conditioning drills
as i said i dont understand accepting the tender and then holding out...i guess in his mind it was a good faith gesture at the time to enhance his chances at getting a long term deal before training camp...but if im westbrook i dont go near a football field until i sign something long term...
Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it, IGY?
:-D
Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5977/news)
QuoteIn a statement released by the Philadelphia Eagles regarding RB Brian Westbrook not reporting to training camp, the team noted they have been "very aggressive in trying to secure a long-term contract" with him. "We had thought we were making good progress in that regard. Unfortunately, Brian made a counter productive and almost unprecedented decision to not report to training camp. We will focus our attention on the players that are present." Westbrook previously signed a one-year tender as a restricted free agent and would be eligible for unrestricted free agency following the 2005 season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2005, 07:52:57 PM
he didnt have to sign anything...yes the tender would have been reduced...but thats not the point...he would have been holding out for a long term deal...which is his ultimate goal anyway
i disagree as far as this holdout being stupid...whats stopping him from blowing out his knee in the wednesday morning practice...or hell even tomorrows conditioning drills
as i said i dont understand accepting the tender and then holding out...i guess in his mind it was a good faith gesture at the time to enhance his chances at getting a long term deal before training camp...but if im westbrook i dont go near a football field until i sign something long term...
Well, if you were Westbrook you'd already have a load of cash from the 3-year contract and the RFA tender. More money that the average American for sure. So I wouldn't feel sorry for you either. Just like with TO, you sign it, youplay for it.
If Westbrook wants a long term deal, he needs to be in camp working for it. He will not get nothing by holding out. And if he holds out and damages the chance of getting the big coin, then he's a dumbass. He could come back after the dumbass holdout and be several thousand bucks light in the wallet and still not have shtein.
If you get hurt, you get hurt, It's called an occupational hazard. Deal with it.
Corey Simon didn't show up either, though that's much less of a shock.
GET PALMEIRO!
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 01, 2005, 07:59:19 PM
Corey Simon didn't show up either, though that's much less of a shock.
And less of it doesnt matter much.
Well, if you were Westbrook you'd already have a load of cash from the 3-year contract and the RFA tender. More money that the average American for sure. So I wouldn't feel sorry for you either. Just like with TO, you sign it, youplay for it.
not that the average american has anything to do with this but ill appease you and play along and say that since hes made 'a load of cash' the last three years then youd have to say not making any this year wont hurt him, right?...in fact he could hold out for the next two seasons and still have more than the average american
If Westbrook wants a long term deal, he needs to be in camp working for it.
there are people out there...specifically the ones who claim that westbrook is more important to the eagles than TO...that would say he has worked for it the past three years...i dont think he has anything to prove in camp
He will not get nothing by holding out
actually he reduces the chances he will get hurt and end his career before he gets his deserved big payday...for all we know hes told his agent to continue to work on this long term deal...get it done asap and then ill get on the field but not before...i completely understand that
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2005, 07:44:15 PM
the mistake westbrook made was signing the tender...why would you do that then hold out
however the hold out is the smartest thing he could do...a guy with a history of serious knee injuries going back to high school should not be playing on a small one year contract
unlike TO i cant hate on him for this holdout
Well if that is your thinking, than you would agree that it would be crazy for the Eagles to give him a long term deal considering his pension for knee injuries.
(http://haydetodo.tripod.cl/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/vomit_g.jpg)
I wonder if this may make TO change his mind about holding out.
Westbrook & Owens holding out would put 2 of the 3 big guns out of commission; I'm certain this thought is going thru Rosenhaus's head.
than you would agree that it would be crazy for the Eagles to give him a long term deal considering his pension for knee injuries
'crazy' to give him a long term deal?...no i would not agree with that...however his history of injuries would definitely factor into the amount of that deal...and im sure its a sticking point in the negotiations right now
but just like the eagles have to protect themselves so does westbrook
if he hadnt signed the tender...id be 100% on westys side..signing it and then holding out makes his stance less appealing...tho i still feel where he is coming from
I wonder if this may make TO change his mind about holding out.
Westbrook & Owens holding out would put 2 of the 3 big guns out of commission; I'm certain this thought is going thru Rosenhaus's head.
great point
me and my boy were on the phone discussing this exact thing five minutes ago
Quote from: Larry on August 01, 2005, 08:10:32 PM
I wonder if this may make TO change his mind about holding out.
Westbrook & Owens holding out would put 2 of the 3 big guns out of commission; I'm certain this thought is going thru Rosenhaus's head.
I bet it is too. And I'll also bet that when they both hold out and we still win 12 games no one every agent in the country will curse those jackoffs b/c holding out will be seen for what it is. A money grab that a good team can work around. Let them both sit out the season. fargem.
The latest from Spadaro regarding Westbrook...
QuoteVery much of a surprise... And I wouldn't be surprised if comes back pretty soon, either.
Make of it what you will...
lol, when will people realize the Eagles are not going to give in. If they want to pay Westbrook or TO, they will. If they dont, they wont. If the players hold out they dont get paid. If they hold out all year the Eagles STILL retain their rights for next year. The Eagles hold all the cards. Reid honestly believes the Eagles can win with the other players he has.
Reid honestly believes the Eagles can win with the other players he has.
thats what scares me
welcome to the ryan moats reggie brown era three years early
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2005, 08:16:44 PM
Reid honestly believes the Eagles can win with the other players he has.
thats what scares me
welcome to the ryan moats reggie brown era three years early
Fine. I'm sick of this nonsense. There's a reason this team keeps winning and competing every year. It's because they follow a personel AND financial game plan that allows them to win and replenish talent every year. It hasn't failed yet and until it does these iceholes can piss and moan and hold out all they want. We're still winning and more and more teams are recognizing the intelligence behind the way they do things. Holdouts accomplish nothing.
Something tells me the media won't be slamming Westbrook at all
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:20:14 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2005, 08:16:44 PM
Reid honestly believes the Eagles can win with the other players he has.
thats what scares me
welcome to the ryan moats reggie brown era three years early
Fine. I'm sick of this nonsense. There's a reason this team keeps winning and competing every year. It's because they follow a personel AND financial game plan that allows them to win and replenish talent every year. It hasn't failed yet and until it does these iceholes can piss and moan and hold out all they want. We're still winning and more and more teams are recognizing the intelligence behind the way they do things. Holdouts accomplish nothing.
Homer.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 08:20:59 PM
Something tells me the media won't be slamming Westbrook at all
Westbrook doesn't show up, which is news, and the ESPN article focuses on TO showing up, which everyone knew was going to happen. The entire sports media population needs to pick the TO pubes from their teeth and learn about what is actually news.
This is from PFT...
QuotePer a little-known league rule, if Westbrook stays out past August 8, he will forfeit the ability to become an unrestricted free agent in 2006. Players under contract who fail to report within 30 days prior to the commencement of the regular season lose a year of service credit.
.
If true, this holdout is gonna be short.
From PFT:
QuoteWhile Eagles receiver Terrell Owens opted to report for the start of the team's training camp, running back Brian Westbrook surprisingly decided to stay away.
Westbrook signed a one-year restricted free agent tender earlier in the offseason and reported for a mandatory minicamp, which Owens skipped. Westbrook wants a long-term deal, and even though he's now represented by the same agent as quarterback Donovan McNabb, our guess is that the Eagles will take a hard line, fining Westbrook for each day of his absence.
Because, however, Westbrook's RFA tender did not include a signing bonus, the team will only be able to impose daily fines until he shows up.
Per a little-known league rule, if Westbrook stays out past August 8, he will forfeit the ability to become an unrestricted free agent in 2006. Players under contract who fail to report within 30 days prior to the commencement of the regular season lose a year of service credit.
As to Owens, his decision to report comes on the same day the television cameras caught a lukewarm greeting by Owens of his agent, Drew Rosenhaus.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 08:20:59 PM
Something tells me the media won't be slamming Westbrook at all
Westbrook doesn't show up, which is news, and the ESPN article focuses on TO showing up, which everyone knew was going to happen. The entire sports media population needs to pick the TO pubes from their teeth and learn about what is actually news.
Agreed....100%
And wow with the little tidbit of info on Westbrook.
That little known rule gives me another boner. Speaking of which...
(http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00175/Jessica_Alba__tatt__175740m.jpg)
Quote from: General_Failure on August 01, 2005, 08:24:19 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 01, 2005, 08:21:37 PM
Homer.
I know. Can you believe it?
You sicken me.
Pretty soon PG and I will be be seeing eye to eye on everything from the Eagle's personel decisions to how to respond correctly to message board sarcasm and facetiousness. I might as well open a vein.
Do I know you?
Simon just likes to make any excuse not to show, because he's a lazy fat ass.
Maybe Westbrook's on his rag?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 01, 2005, 08:24:19 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 01, 2005, 08:21:37 PM
Homer.
I know. Can you believe it?
You sicken me.
Pretty soon PG and I will be be seeing eye to eye on everything from the Eagle's personel decisions to how to respond correctly to message board sarcasm and facetiousness. I might as well open a vein.
You know what you have to do. Go get some gasoline.
Burn rjs!
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:29:20 PM
Simon just likes to make any excuse not to show, because he's a lazy fat ass.
Careful, you might offend. ::) ;)
I don't even know myself anymore. Go baseball! You're gay! The Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, Wings and Sixers can do no wrong! Everything anyone writes about sports rumors is nonsense! Your mom and I had sexual relations last night! And several times prior! And since! Yay! Oh sweet freedom.
Simon just likes to make any excuse not to show, because he's a lazy fat ass.
westbrook doesnt wanna break a knee...corey doesnt wanna break a sweat
of course if that fine print is true then this is all meaningless and we might as well lock this thread now
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:30:59 PM
I don't even know myself anymore. Go baseball! You're gay! The Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, Wings and Sixers can do no wrong! Everything anyone writes about sports rumors is nonsense! Your mom and I had sexual relations last night! And several times prior! And since! Yay! Oh sweet freedom.
I never called you gay.
But you probably are.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 08:31:29 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:30:59 PM
I don't even know myself anymore. Go baseball! You're gay! The Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, Wings and Sixers can do no wrong! Everything anyone writes about sports rumors is nonsense! Your mom and I had sexual relations last night! And several times prior! And since! Yay! Oh sweet freedom.
I never called you gay.
Nevermind. You proved my whole statement false in 5 words. Thank you.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 08:31:29 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:30:59 PM
I don't even know myself anymore. Go baseball! You're gay! The Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, Wings and Sixers can do no wrong! Everything anyone writes about sports rumors is nonsense! Your mom and I had sexual relations last night! And several times prior! And since! Yay! Oh sweet freedom.
I never called you gay.
Nevermind. You proved my whole statement false in 5 words. Thank you.
And you completely missed the sarcasm. LMFAO
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2005, 08:31:10 PM
westbrook doesnt wanna break a knee...corey doesnt wanna break a sweat
:-D
So, Westbrook's agent didn't even know, but the Eagles seem fairly certain that Brian is, in fact, meaning to hold out and was not, in fact, robbing a 7-11 or stuck inside a pair of Hollis's jeans.
I don't care who you are, that's farged up right there.
Fargin mind control, man. Last time he got stitched up they put a chip in him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:35:01 PM
So, Westbrook's agent didn't even know, but the Eagles seem fairly certain that Brian is, in fact, meaning to hold out and was not, in fact, robbing a 7-11 or stuck inside a pair of Hollis's jeans.
He's on the run after shooting McDougle last week.
Seriously. Do any of these guys realize that they're gonna get burned?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:35:01 PM
So, Westbrook's agent didn't even know, but the Eagles seem fairly certain that Brian is, in fact, meaning to hold out and was not, in fact, robbing a 7-11 or stuck inside a pair of Hollis's jeans.
I don't care who you are, that's farged up right there.
I would love to hear the conversation between Fletcher Smith and Westbrook after Smith found out. Westbrook had told everyone that he would not hold out...including his agent.
He found Buck's stash and flaked on the date.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 01, 2005, 08:24:14 PM
(http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00175/Jessica_Alba__tatt__175740m.jpg)
From the
Jeff Lurie camp:It is unfortunate about the recent happenings with Brian Westbrook or 'Lis Wes' as he likes me to call him...but thanks to rjs I now heart 5th base too.
And he is gay.
God Bless
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 08:37:23 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:35:01 PM
So, Westbrook's agent didn't even know, but the Eagles seem fairly certain that Brian is, in fact, meaning to hold out and was not, in fact, robbing a 7-11 or stuck inside a pair of Hollis's jeans.
I don't care who you are, that's farged up right there.
I would love to hear the conversation between Fletcher Smith and Westbrook after Smith found out. Westbrook had told everyone that he would not hold out...including his agent.
Me too.
And I hope that Westbrook will catch heat for it too.
Westbrook couldn't handle the size of the contract the Eagles offered him. He had to go to South Africa to find "a quiet place" for a while.
I think Buck sneaked him the stash so that he would forget the date and, thus, allow Buck to revive his career!
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:41:29 PM
I think Buck sneaked him the stash so that he would forget the date and, thus, allow Buck to revive his career!
Until he plays the Jets and breaks his spine in a non-contact injury.
Moats and Mahe are taking us to the promised land!
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:35:01 PM
So, Westbrook's agent didn't even know, but the Eagles seem fairly certain that Brian is, in fact, meaning to hold out and was not, in fact, robbing a 7-11 or stuck inside a pair of Hollis's jeans.
I don't care who you are, that's farged up right there.
LOL. A Larry The Cable Guy reference from FF.
:-D
You gotta watch out for the South. You move here, and before you know it... you're a farging Southernor.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:36:06 PMRudi Johnson got a good deal, didn't he?
5 years, $24M, $12M SB
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:46:09 PM
You gotta watch out for the South. You move here, and before you know it... you're a farging Southernor.
Tell me about it. :-D
I'm going to go buy me a pickup and put a gun rack and the stars and bars on it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:46:09 PM
You gotta watch out for the South. You move here, and before you know it... you're a farging Southernor.
I met him years ago here in Daytona. He's actually a really nice guy. A drunk ass hick, but a nice guy. The schtick he does about titty bars is dead-on though. He got tossed from one here and is now banned for life.
:-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 01, 2005, 08:47:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:36:06 PMRudi Johnson got a good deal, didn't he?
5 years, $24M, $12M SB
If Westbrook turned that down, he is a stone cold moron.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2005, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 01, 2005, 08:47:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 01, 2005, 07:36:06 PMRudi Johnson got a good deal, didn't he?
5 years, $24M, $12M SB
If Westbrook turned that down, he is a stone cold moron.
Even if it was a little less, he'd STILL be a moron.
Quote from: hbionic on August 01, 2005, 08:41:04 PM
From the Jeff Lurie camp:It is unfortunate about the recent happenings with Brian Westbrook or 'Lis Wes' as he likes me to call him...but thanks to rjs I now heart 5th base too.
Dude, you know that Lurie is down with the brown(hole). He didn't need my encouragement.
this is gay...why westy...why? :'(
Tomorrow we'll all find out his grandma died or something. Then you'll all feel really stupid.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 01, 2005, 08:54:32 PM
Tomorrow we'll all find out his grandma died or something. Then you'll all feel really stupid.
Maybe his mom got shot by Jerome McDougle in a hideously ironic twist of fate.
I'd still think he should have called AR to explain. Only takes a couple of minutes.
homohawk u have some explaining to do.....
Oh well...let him holdout. I have no patience for hold-outs. Cut his sorry azz!! Just kidding.
If Westbrook and T.O. had coordinated this better, the Eagles might have been slightly more compelled to listen.
This decision is SO stupid that the only explanation I can think of is that he was kidnapped at gun point and was forced to call the Eagles and tell them he was holding out.
Probably some jealous Cowboy fans. :boo
Quote from: mussa on August 01, 2005, 08:56:24 PM
homohawk u have some explaining to do.....
The guy's due his money. Pay up or shut up, bitches.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2005, 08:41:29 PM
I think Buck sneaked him the stash so that he would forget the date and, thus, allow Buck to revive his career!
Hash brownies are a killer...
Or so I've heard. :paranoid
This is a ridiculous holdout. I can't believe he would pull this.
I understand that Westy wants a long term deal, but is he forgetting that NFL money by-in-large is not guarenteed? I mean if he did get a Rudi Johnson contract with a signing bonus of 12 million and didn't sign on the dotted line then he is a complete idiot.
It's amazing the displays of pure nonsense the Eagles as an organization have been involved in this off-season. Anyone want to compile a list of this drama? You could make for one compelling made-for-TV Lifetime Original. ;)
Quote from: Eaglez on August 01, 2005, 09:44:44 PM
This is a ridiculous holdout. I can't believe he would pull this.
I understand that Westy wants a long term deal, but is he forgetting that NFL money by-in-large is not guarenteed? I mean if he did get a Rudi Johnson contract with a signing bonus of 12 million and didn't sign on the dotted line then he is a complete idiot.
It's amazing the displays of pure nonsense the Eagles as an organization have been involved in this off-season. Anyone want to compile a list of this drama? You could make for one compelling made-for-TV Lifetime Original. ;)
1. TO stuff
2. McDougle Shot
3. Westbrook holdout
4. Simon holdout
5. Freddie's mouth and departure
6. McNabb's taking more shtein from the media and others
7. Tra's blood clots
8. Dirk's hernia
9. JR Reed's fence jumping disaster
10. Hollis whining
11. LJ in a bar brawl...lol
The more the drama, the sweeter it will be when McNabb hoists the trophy. I can't wait to see this team defy previous NFC champs not making playoffs, and everything going on now.
According to Neil Hartman's "source" ::) , Westbrook wants a deal between Travis Henry's (5 years) and Deuce McAllister's (8 years, $50.1M, $12.5M SB)...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 01, 2005, 10:58:32 PM
According to Neil Hartman's "source" ::) , Westbrook wants a deal between Travis Henry's (5 years) and Deuce McAllister's (8 years, $50.1M, $12.5M SB)...
Y'know, he's worth it. But a hold out is the
wrong way to go about this.....
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on August 02, 2005, 01:55:08 AM
Y'know, he's worth it.
No he isn't. He's a cool weapon to have on this offense, and I don't want him going anywhere, but he's not a workhorse back who will get tough yards when we need them.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 01, 2005, 10:58:32 PM
According to Neil Hartman's "source" ::) , Westbrook wants a deal between Travis Henry's (5 years) and Deuce McAllister's (8 years, $50.1M, $12.5M SB)...
QuoteESPN.com's John Clayton reports RB Travis Henry's four-year contract extension with the Tennessee Titans will pay him about $9.7 million and includes a $4 million team option in 2006. Henry will play for his $1.25 million salary this year with no additional upfront money. If he performs at his normal 1,300-yard level, Henry can turn the deal into a $3 million or $3.5 million contract. What makes this so favorable to the Titans is that they don't have to invest in a running back in next year's draft, something they would have had to do in the first three rounds.
???
per espn's p. king, what biged said is what westy is looking for, something along the lines of a deuce contract. he also quickly added that if there was a team that could deal without having him on the sidelines it was, more then even the pats, the eagles. he didn't think westy was doing himself a service with this move.
Quote from: T_Section224 on August 02, 2005, 07:36:33 AM
per espn's p. king, what biged said is what westy is looking for, something along the lines of a deuce contract. he also quickly added that if there was a team that could deal without having him on the sidelines it was, more then even the pats, the eagles. he didn't think westy was doing himself a service with this move.
Peter King isn't espn ;)
sorry, SI's peter king
ps-i haven't even had my coffee so get off my ass ;D
lol :-D
QuoteA source close to the talks with Westbrook said the Eagles offered a signing bonus and average annual salary better than the deals signed in the past by Green Bay's Ahman Green, the New York Giants' Tiki Barber, Tennessee's Travis Henry and Houston's Domanick Davis.
Green signed a five-year, $25 million deal with the Packers in 2001; Barber signed a six-year deal worth $25 million in 2001. Green received a signing bonus of $5 million, Barber a $7 million bonus. Henry and Davis both signed recently, but details of their deals were not available.
A recent deal that may have caught Westbrook's eye was that of Lamont Jordan, who left the New York Jets to sign with Oakland as a free agent. Jordan received a $7 million signing bonus and a five-year, $27.55 million deal from the Raiders after serving as a backup to Curtis Martin with the Jets.
The Eagles have made an offer comparable to that, a source said.
more proof that the eagles needed to find a capable backup for westbitch during the offseason.
im sure the overall money isnt the issue...the birds are probably trying to get a roster bonus scenario in there...something akin to TO's 2006 roster bonus clause...they also may have injury language built in that smith and westbrook arent comfortable with...theres all kinds of 'fine print' that may be holding this up as opposed to years and total money in the contract
Smith wasn't uncomfortable enough in the negotiations to recommend that Westbrook hold out.
it hit me this morning that I blame the Westbrook situation on the Saints and fuels my hatred for the New Orleans franchise:
1. the Saints gave all their draft picks to the god forsaken taterskins for the opportunity to draft Ricky Williams, giving them an extra top 10 pick (though they didn't really use them effectively Arrington & Samuels)
2. the Saints then drafted Deuce Mcallister (who I really wanted) with the pick before the Eagles were on the board even though they had Ricky Williams on their roster. The Eagles then selected FredEx, and we all know how that worked out.
3. Now, the Saints threw rediculous money at Deuce, prompting Westbrook to think that he's worth way more money than he is along with a hold out.
SONSABITCHES!! farg THE SAINTS!
:-D
that's it, package Corey Simon and Reno Mahe to Miami for Ricky Williams!
deuce has averaged 1733 total yards per season as a starter....westbitch has averaged 1230.
i'm okay with blaming the aint's........but mcallister should be paid more. :-D
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 02, 2005, 08:19:54 AM
that's it, package Corey Simon and Reno Mahe to Miami for Ricky Williams!
(http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00175/Jessica_Alba__tatt__175740m.jpg)
Even I would rather look at Alba's ass over that trade scenario.
Quote from: mhunt on August 02, 2005, 08:22:15 AM
deuce has averaged 1733 total yards per season as a starter....westbitch has averaged 1230.
i'm okay with blaming the aint's........but mcallister should be paid more. :-D
come on mhunt. i was on a roll... and i'm still trying to wake up. don't piss in my Cheerios
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 02, 2005, 08:23:55 AM
Quote from: mhunt on August 02, 2005, 08:22:15 AM
deuce has averaged 1733 total yards per season as a starter....westbitch has averaged 1230.
i'm okay with blaming the aint's........but mcallister should be paid more. :-D
come on mhunt. i was on a roll... and i'm still trying to wake up. don't piss in my Cheerios
Don't worry...he'd rather bark at it.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 02, 2005, 08:23:55 AM
Quote from: mhunt on August 02, 2005, 08:22:15 AM
deuce has averaged 1733 total yards per season as a starter....westbitch has averaged 1230.
i'm okay with blaming the aint's........but mcallister should be paid more. :-D
come on mhunt. i was on a roll... and i'm still trying to wake up. don't piss in my Cheerios
okay, fine...i'm cutting eye-holes out of a paper bag right now. 8)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 02, 2005, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 02, 2005, 08:23:55 AM
Quote from: mhunt on August 02, 2005, 08:22:15 AM
deuce has averaged 1733 total yards per season as a starter....westbitch has averaged 1230.
i'm okay with blaming the aint's........but mcallister should be paid more. :-D
come on mhunt. i was on a roll... and i'm still trying to wake up. don't piss in my Cheerios
Don't worry...he'd rather bark at it.
go look at Alba's ass! >:(
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 02, 2005, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 02, 2005, 08:23:55 AM
Quote from: mhunt on August 02, 2005, 08:22:15 AM
deuce has averaged 1733 total yards per season as a starter....westbitch has averaged 1230.
i'm okay with blaming the aint's........but mcallister should be paid more. :-D
come on mhunt. i was on a roll... and i'm still trying to wake up. don't piss in my Cheerios
Don't worry...he'd rather bark at it.
you're the one talking about jessica alba's arse. :paranoid :-D
lol, however I was talking about you.
wait, are we arguing that deuce shouldn't be paid more then westy? that's crazy talk. by the way, that ass is mesmerizing.
Smith wasn't uncomfortable enough in the negotiations to recommend that Westbrook hold out.
thats if you believe he didnt know he wasnt going to show
he also may have reccommended to westbrook to not show...and westbrook told him no i dont want to do that...but then had a last minute change of heart
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 02, 2005, 08:23:15 AM
Even I would rather look at Alba's ass over that trade scenario.
Ha - you're half-gay.
ha - you missed the point.
I read this entire thread. Glad to see everybody bashing Westbrook like they did to TO.[sarcasm] And it is ridiculous to drag TOs name into this. He shows up for camp and is still the bad guy. WTF?
Westbrook has a legitimate beef. He is still playing on a rookie contract that he has clearly out-performed. This holdout stems from the Eagles' failure to recognize his value to the team. He should have be re-signed prior (I hate Mark Prior) to last season.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 02, 2005, 09:40:13 AM
Westbrook has a legitimate beef. He is still playing on a rookie contract that he has clearly out-performed. This holdout stems from the Eagles' failure to recognize his value to the team. He should have be re-signed prior (I hate Mark Prior) to last season.
Then he should
never have signed the tender and said he would report.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 02, 2005, 09:40:13 AM
Westbrook has a legitimate beef. He is still playing on a rookie contract that he has clearly out-performed.
no, he isnt. He is playing under a RFA 1 year tender.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 02, 2005, 09:40:13 AM
Westbrook has a legitimate beef. He is still playing on a rookie contract that he has clearly out-performed. This holdout stems from the Eagles' failure to recognize his value to the team. He should have be re-signed prior (I hate Mark Prior) to last season.
His rookie contract ran out last year...
He signed a 1-year $1.43M RFA tender.
Westbrook hasn't yet said that he wasn't the one tired in the SB, or called Donovan the thinly veiled "company man" insult. We're waiting for him to do that before we put the incineration crew on his tail. :P
He also didn't just get a huge signing bonus last season after signing a seven year deal, nor is he scheduled to make $3.5 mil this year.
I can understand Westbrook not wanting to come to camp on a one-year deal without a signing bonus, and risking injury. But, I think he has to be a bit more realistic as to his value in the NFL. In his situation after signing the tender, this hold-out cannot possibly help his bargaining position.
Point is, TO IS THERE, WESTBROOK IS NOT. Nevermind the backstories, none of that matters. Both are under contract, only one showed.
Quote from: MURP on August 02, 2005, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 02, 2005, 09:40:13 AM
Westbrook has a legitimate beef. He is still playing on a rookie contract that he has clearly out-performed.
no, he isnt. He is playing under a RFA 1 year tender.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2005, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 02, 2005, 09:40:13 AM
Westbrook has a legitimate beef. He is still playing on a rookie contract that he has clearly out-performed. This holdout stems from the Eagles' failure to recognize his value to the team. He should have be re-signed prior (I hate Mark Prior) to last season.
His rookie contract ran out last year...
He signed a 1-year $1.43M RFA tender.
Irregardless, he's worth more than that to any team, especially the Eagles. If they would handle business in a manner recognizing this fact, Westbrook would already have a deal.
I can understand Westbrook not wanting to come to camp on a one-year deal without a signing bonus, and risking injury. But, I think he has to be a bit more realistic as to his value in the NFL.
thats it
thread can now be closed
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 02, 2005, 09:47:59 AM
I can understand Westbrook not wanting to come to camp on a one-year deal without a signing bonus, and risking injury. But, I think he has to be a bit more realistic as to his value in the NFL.
thats it
thread can now be closed
Finally. Plus he won't hold out that long anyway since anything of any length will make him inelligible for unrestricted free agency next year. Idiot.
PG, you will defend TO to the death...
That might be your point and I get it, but it's not relevant in the context of this thread, RE: Westbrook...it's apples and oranges.
TO signed a big contract last season, played one year, and threatened a hold-out. I'm not bashing him because he showed up, Yeti's point (I believe said tongue in cheek) referred to the bashing TO took while he threatened to hold out for four months...until he reported to camp, no one knew for sure what he was going to do, and he and his agent said a lot of inadvisable things to the media along the way, so the media and fans reacted to the four-month soap opera.
Westbrook probably doesn't want to risk injury before he gets a deal done that gives him a little bit of insurance...I can't blame him for that, but he shouldn't have signed the tender. To me...he should be in camp until he works it out, but I think we all agree that he is drastically underpaid at the RFA tender...he just shouldn't have signed it if he felt that strongly. For all we know, he and Fletcher Smith may have been told "Sign your tender, come to the minicamps and we'll work something out by training camp." Obviously, training camp is here, and he hasn't yet signed an extension. From what has been printed, the Eagles are being more than fair in their offer, in most people's opinions.
I'm not defending Westbrook...IMO, he should be in camp, and if he is being offered what has been reported, he should sign it. But, he hasn't gone public with his demands, scorching the team and management in the process. Since he hasn't said anything publicly yet on the hold-out, I'm assuming he doesn't want to risk injury until his extension is done.
I also believe his hold-out will be very brief, if the information RE: him giving up UFA next year is true if it goes beyond 8/8/05.
WHOA...defend TO to the death? Are you serious? How many more times do you want me to say that he is DEAD WRONG FOR ASKING FOR A NEW CONTRACT and that THE WAY HE WENT ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS AS RIDICULOUS AS CAN BE and that HE LOST A LOT OF FAN SUPPORT AND ANY CHANCE AT STAYING HERE PAST THIS SEASON WITH HIS IDIOCY AND NEED TO BE STROKED BY AN AGENT LIKE ROSENHAUS??
The point is, they are both under contract, both signed contracts, both BOUND BY THOSE CONTRACTS.
Only one is in camp.
Just because I said all along that TO would be in camp and there for week one does NOT make me defending him to the death. Holy crap, I can't believe you even said that.
Another item from Hartman last night: Westbrook is the first restricted FA in NFL history to sign his 1-year tender and not show up for training camp...
PG - the Travis Henry thing is that he wanted at least a 5-year deal. I didn't include Henry's $$ amounts because he signed a very low deal in comparison to other starters...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2005, 10:15:52 AM
Another item from Hartman last night: Westbrook is the first restricted FA in NFL history to sign his 1-year tender and not show up for training camp...
PG - the Travis Henry thing is that he wanted at least a 5-year deal. I didn't include Henry's $$ amounts because he signed a very low deal in comparison to other starters...
Ah, that's what I thought, but I wanted to post his numbers just in case you didn't mean that. ;)
Westbrook probably doesn't want to risk injury before he gets a deal done that gives him a little bit of insurance...I can't blame him for that, but he shouldn't have signed the tender. To me...he should be in camp until he works it out, but I think we all agree that he is drastically underpaid at the RFA tender...he just shouldn't have signed it if he felt that strongly.
Listen to this man
I think you're missing the point. No one here doesn't think Westbrook should get a new, good contract. NO ONE thinks he doesn't deserve it. The PROBLEM here is that the FO and his agent were working on a long term deal. He signed the tender knowing that fact. His agent expected him to be in camp and he didn't go...and THAT is the problem. If anything, Westbrook just killed the deal that Smith/Banner/Reid were working on for him. THAT is the problem. Westbrook's actions yesterday.
The fac that he's doing something that NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER DONE and that it involves holding out and being a fleshpop to the team I heart is the problem. Oh that and the fact that he thinks he's a star running back when really he's not. At all.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 02, 2005, 10:26:54 AM
The fac that he's doing something that NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER DONE and that it involves holding out and being a fleshpop to the team I heart is the problem. Oh that and the fact that he thinks he's a star running back when really he's not. At all.
ok, that too.
If he's looking for Tomlinson/McAllister money he can pound sand.
He should get Eric Metcalf money.
I apologize, defending him to the death was too strong in re-reading my post; and, in consideration of your past TO positions, unfair of me to post.
But, I guess I'm not in the camp of forgiving all because he showed up to camp and will (hopefully) soon be catching TDs in an Eagles jersey again. I wouldn't boo him at camp, I will cheer his TDs because they help my team, but I will continue to hold him at arm's length as a fan, waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I don't like any hold-outs, but I believe Westbrook (so far, at least) has gone about his negotiation in a wiser fashion, at least up until 7:00 PM last night. I do think the back-stories do hold relevance, because I don't think Westbrook's hold-out will upset the team as long as he is in camp in the next two weeks, and that's all I really care about. I do think that TO's four months of histrionics--even though he reported to camp on-time--could potentially hurt the team, depending on what happens with him from here on out. I hope it's over, but I would be surprised if this is the end of it with TO and Rosenhaus.
And, just to reiterate...I think Westbrook's hold-out is ill-advised, and I believe he'll be in camp within the next few days. Do you believe the extension talk is dead, or do you think they'll pick it back up again once he returns? I agree that they will have no further conversations as long as he stays out of camp...but, to hold a grudge on this would be a foolish move by the FO, they still need him and he still wants to play for the Eagles.
We got what, half a dozen guys on the roster with the same build as Westbrook (too small to be a workhorse, 25 carries a game guy, but shifty in space). If he doesn't want to play, he and TO can cry over their Gatorade.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 02, 2005, 10:31:49 AM
He should get Eric Metcalf money.
That's a pretty fair comparison...hadn't thought about Eric Metcalf in quite some time. "The Ice Cube".
I believe that talks WILL pick back up, once his agent does some butt kissing to make up for his client's stupidity. I don't think the Eagles FO is going to blackball talks with Smith/Westbrook once he shows.
TO has a big mouth. He said the wrong things and those things were made a million times worse by his agent. However, it was TO's choice to come to camp, Rosenhaus clearly wanted him to hold out. Ray Didinger said last night that he believes Rosenhaus is trying to run the show right now, but TO made the decision to come to camp himself...all the while, Rosenhaus is STILL running his mouth saying that he could leave any day (which we all know won't happen now that he's there). TO kept his mouth shut all day yesterday, Rosenhaus kept at it.
At this point, TO is doing the RIGHT thing by being there and not talking shtein to the media. Let him work his stuff out with AR and DMac and get to work.
Agreed, on all points. I'm hopeful that TO continues to do the right things, regardless of his agent who is still trying to save his own face/ass. I heard Didinger saying something to that effect two weeks ago, that he believed Rosenhaus got TO all worked up, and then couldn't control him...sounded pretty dead-on to me, from what we've seen.
And, I agree that TO, AR, and Donovan should be able to patch things up enough to do great things this season. I hope they all share that common goal, now that they're all in camp. Without TO in camp, none of that would be possible, so I give him credit for that.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 02, 2005, 10:44:23 AM
Agreed, on all points. I'm hopeful that TO continues to do the right things, regardless of his agent who is still trying to save his own face/ass. I heard Didinger saying something to that effect two weeks ago, that he believed Rosenhaus got TO all worked up, and then couldn't control him...sounded pretty dead-on to me, from what we've seen.
And, I agree that TO, AR, and Donovan should be able to patch things up enough to do great things this season. I hope they all share that common goal, now that they're all in camp. Without TO in camp, none of that would be possible, so I give him credit for that.
What I saw happen was a guy (TO), who always needs to have his ego stroked (like a lot of athletes do), found the best/worst possible person to do so. Rosenhaus got him all worked up with, "I can make you a ton of money....you're worth so much more than this....you're the best, I can make them see that...you don't need them as much as they need you....I am the only one who can get the money from the Eagles....you're the greatest...the fans will all side with you....", etc. Most players hear this babble and believe every word of it. TO especially. Once he heard it, he started spitting out words that clearly came out of Rosenhaus' mouth (verbatim).
Until TO saw the reaction of the fans and front office, he believed what Rosenhaus told him. Once he saw guys like Jevon Walker, Reuben Droughns, Edgerrin James and others start reporting to camps....and then realized the fact that he didn't want to start losing $6,000 a day...he figured out that he had to report to camp. Even if his agent told him otherwise. So he said he was going to camp. Rosenhaus heard this and immediately started his "damage control"....saying that he still might not...and that he could leave at any time...etc. TO kept quiet and showed up...and kept quiet when he got there.
Although I think we've (me especially) now made this thread another TO-focused one--my apologies--I'll make one last point, because it dovetails with your last post, PG.
I think it's great that TO came to camp and ignored the 50-100 media folks who camped out there all day looking for him to either be apologetic or incendiary. I would've bet $100 that that's exactly what he would've done and should've done (kept quiet), and all of the media-types who complained about him not speaking to them because "it's like ignoring the fans" are full of shtein. They were just pissed off that they spent four hours in the hot sun and came away with nothing to dissect.
Right now in this situation, he's best served by the old cliched "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all." Discuss the dirty laundry behind closed doors with the appropriate parties and make peace, and then put on smiles when you face the public. That is the best way for them all to put this behind them.
god i hate this shtein.
i become less and less of a sports fan every offseason.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 02, 2005, 11:06:10 AM
god i hate this shtein.
i become less and less of a sports fan every offseason.
till kickoff, when you forget about all of it.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 02, 2005, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on August 02, 2005, 11:06:10 AM
god i hate this shtein.
i become less and less of a sports fan every offseason.
till kickoff, when you forget about all of it.
yep...i say thats pretty accurate.
i guess i should say i pay less and less to the offseason stuff every year
Quote from: Wingspan on August 02, 2005, 11:19:29 AM
i guess i should say i pay less and less to the offseason stuff every year
It's working well for me so far. Offseason information is overrated.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 02, 2005, 11:20:11 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on August 02, 2005, 11:19:29 AM
i guess i should say i pay less and less to the offseason stuff every year
It's working well for me so far. Offseason information is overrated.
Blasphemy! You know you love the contract details, the in-house bickering and the agents getting more face time than Jenna Jameson is a pr0n flick.
who wants to see jenna's face in a pr0n flick?
Good point. Sub vadge for face and we're cool.
By the way, just to add to the question of exactly what the Birds offered Westbrook, Gargano said his people told him that they offered him a 4-year deal with $9M to sign.
I'm assuming the 9 mil is the signing bonus or not? If it's for 4 years do you know the salary structure for those years?
Probably 4/$20M/$9M....
Quote from: Eaglez on August 02, 2005, 02:45:30 PM
I'm assuming the 9 mil is the signing bonus or not? If it's for 4 years do you know the salary structure for those years?
Yeah, the SB. That's all Gargano talked about...no total money just the up front coin.
Sounds reasonable to me, if Ed's figures are close to what was offered. No matter what he wants to believe, he ain't LT or Priest.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 02, 2005, 02:53:50 PM
Sounds reasonable to me, if Ed's figures are close to what was offered. No matter what he wants to believe, he ain't LT or Priest.
This is all speculation. We've seen figures thrown at us from all different "sources" so far...so I don't know what to believe.
Very true...that's why I put in the "if Ed's figures are close to what was offered" disclaimer... ;)
I'm waiting for someone close to Westy/Fletcher to release "The Eagles offered something along the lines of James Mungro money" as a counter-point.
Mungro....why'd you have to go and use Mungro?
Eskin reports that Fletcher Smith is on a plane from Chicago to com ein and talk to Westbrook to try to talk Westbrook into signing the contract....
Startare also said that Fletcher Smith is in Washington meeting with Brian and his family and they're discussing the next move.
The Eagles have pulled the offer, which is big according to Eskin, until Westbrook comes into camp. Then they will sit down and continue discussions.
He reiterated that the contract is for good money and that Fletcher Smith is advising (or will advise) Westbrook and his family to take the deal.
See that is the kind of Eskin stuff I don't believe. The willie green story is too much of a factual story to be false or inaccurate in any way. But unless Eskin spoke DIRECTLY to Smith on the air and that is what Smith said, I can't go by that. ;)
Willie Green.... :'(
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2005, 03:26:27 PM
Startare also said that Fletcher Smith is in Washington meeting with Brian and his family and they're discussing the next move.
The Eagles have pulled the offer, which is big according to Eskin, until Westbrook comes into camp. Then they will sit down and continue discussions.
He reiterated that the contract is for good money and that Fletcher Smith is advising (or will advise) Westbrook and his family to take the deal.
I'm thinking it's in the neighborhood of $6 - $6.5 million/year for 4 years plus a SB. I think they are using Tiki as the barometer and his contract is a few years old. I'm not sure how reliable my info is. It comes from some U of P and Temple football guys that have friends working for the Eagles. Both sources were in the same ballpark with the numbers. BOTH said they thought the contract was a generous one. They also said that Fletcher had just gotten the latest offer and hadn't shown it to Westbrook yet at 7:00 last evening. Now the eagles have pulled it and will not offer that money again. We'll see whether these guys have a clue.
I really don't understand what the hell is going on here, I saw it lastnight on CSN and was just blown away. If you are Westbrook at least show up to camp for the meetings when they were this close to a deal. I can certainly understand him not wanting to risk injury but if he showed up for at least the meetings it may have been better than not showing up at all.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2005, 02:42:08 PM
Good point. Sub vadge for face and we're cool.
By the way, just to add to the question of exactly what the Birds offered Westbrook, Gargano said his people told him that they offered him a 4-year deal with $9M to sign.
This makes sense especially the length of the deal, which would extend Westbrook until he reaches that magical age for RBs--30.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 02, 2005, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on August 02, 2005, 11:06:10 AM
god i hate this shtein.
i become less and less of a sports fan every offseason.
till kickoff, when you forget about all of it.
That fits me to a 'T'. See you all for the first Monday Night Football game. :P
Maybe I'm being crazy, but I don't see the big deal in Westy showing up a day or two late. He'll have made his point to the Eagles that he wants to sign an extenstion, but that he isn't about to sign a sweetheart deal. He's not been antagonistic toward the team this offseason. I don't mind giving the dude a couple of days. Now, if he does try to draw a line in the sand and become adversarial, he's nuts and to hell with him. I just don't see Westy doing that.
If anything, it gets Moats and Buckhalter some much needed reps.
FWIW, Sal Pal also reported what Eskin was reporting about Fletcher Smith flying into Maryland to talk to Westbrook and his family about accepting the contract...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2005, 07:35:12 PM
FWIW, Sal Pal also reported what Eskin was reporting about Fletcher Smith flying into Maryland to talk to Westbrook and his family about accepting the contract...
ESkin reported it because Banner said it (or someone did). Its been reported on PE.com for a while now.
Current post and Jessica Alba's ass excluded, this thread is gay. Burn it!
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 02, 2005, 10:29:27 PM
Current post and Jessica Alba's ass excluded, this thread is gay. Burn it!
Don't sell yourself short, your post is very gay!
Rumor from CSN: the Eagles' offer was 5 years, $20M-$25M, $8M-$10M SB
If I were Smith/Westbrook, I would sign a 4 to 5 year deal worth roughly $5M per year (as reported in numerous posts). I think that is a great oofer by the Eagles, and Westbrrok can't expect anything more.
Say what you want, Westbrook is a key part in our offense, and should be paid as such. But I still disagree with the camp no-show.
In my humble opinion if Westy doesn't take the Eagles up on a 9-10 million dollar signing bonus, assuming all the contract rumors are correct and are within the correct ballpark, after a productive year knowing that he has a history of injury problems then he's a flippin' turd burglar. Whoever would turn down that much money up front especially early on in his career is beyond me.
This is an extremely weird holdout. I don't think anyone truly understands it except for B-West. It will be interesting hearing him trying to explain his actions.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2005, 11:48:24 PM
Rumor from CSN: the Eagles' offer was 5 years, $20M-$25M, $8M-$10M SB
If he turned that deal down, he's a farging idiot.
Just sayin'... :P
According to this, the Texans are about to extend Dominick Davis (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3293762). If this thing with Westbrook isn't resolved before that, it should be soon after. That should easily set the market and framework, since they're very similar backs who have had success over the last two years....
why would the eagle pay him anything close to that when andy can just have moats stare into his swirly lollipop and poof! he will be better than westy
Comments on BWest (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/080205-bwest.wmv) (video clip)
Ritchie :-D
QuoteBob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports Philadelphia Eagles RB Brian Westbrook was fined $6,000 by the team for the second straight day Tuesday, August 2. His absence clearly drew the ire of Eagles head coach Andy Reid. "I expect him to be here and I think it's a player's loss if he's not here," Reid said sternly after the Eagles' one-hour practice Tuesday, August 2. "It did surprise me, yeah. Was it the most surprising? I'm not going to answer that, but I was surprised that he wasn't here." Reid said he did not understand Westbrook's position at all and he was in no hurry to have a conversation with his top running back, who is protesting his contract situation with the Eagles. Westbrook was dissatisfied with the offer the team had on the table from Sunday, July 31. According to one league source, the Eagles' offer included guaranteed money between $8 million and $10 million. The Eagles want Westbrook back in camp as soon as possible.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 03, 2005, 10:15:56 AM
Comments on BWest (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/080205-bwest.wmv) (video clip)
Ritchie :-D
I was laughing my ASS off when I watched that last night. Ritchie is hilarious. :-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 03, 2005, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 03, 2005, 10:15:56 AM
Comments on BWest (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/080205-bwest.wmv) (video clip)
Ritchie :-D
I was laughing my ASS off when I watched that last night. Ritchie is hilarious. :-D
Can't watch video. Somebody must provide a synopsis, stat.
Ritchie, when asked about Westy's absence said, "I Miss Brian. He's one of my roommates. And um, I look at that empty room...and it just hurts me....deeply"
No mullet, either...
Dominick Davis was signed to an extension. (http://www.theredzone.org/news/showarticle.asp?ArticleID=2993) I think this should set the framework for Westbrook's deal, since they're very similar backs.
I saw the Ritchie interview to, hillarious. I was cracking up. Its hard not to like Ritchie. Hes a bad dude and hes funny as shtein, you can tell he doesnt really give a shtein about whats going on.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 07, 2005, 06:36:01 AM
Dominick Davis was signed to an extension. (http://www.theredzone.org/news/showarticle.asp?ArticleID=2993) I think this should set the framework for Westbrook's deal, since they're very similar backs.
meh.
westbrook will probably want more.
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on August 07, 2005, 08:06:36 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on August 07, 2005, 06:36:01 AM
Dominick Davis was signed to an extension. (http://www.theredzone.org/news/showarticle.asp?ArticleID=2993) I think this should set the framework for Westbrook's deal, since they're very similar backs.
meh.
westbrook will probably want more.
He should get more than Davis. Not much more but enough to save face and to justify this ridiculous holdout of his.
If I were making the decisions for the Eagles, I'd offer a 10% bump across the board over Davis's deal and tell Westbrook to take it or leave it.
I should have made it more clear Rome. I meant alot more. Rumor has it, the deal they offered was already more. 9-12 SB range and something around 25 million. Thats pretty nice regardless! That SB is very generous and the yearly is soilid. Why would someone turn that down? It makes me sad.
Hopefully by seeing Davis' deal, Westbrook will see his market value.
IMO, Westbrook is getting alot of dough because he can be done in a second with his injury history.
dom davis > westbrook
two 1000+ rushing seasons & 21 rushing td's in his 2 years in the league...and he catches the ball out of the backfield...all that for a horrible team.
The contract Davis got would be a fair one for Westbrook.
dom davis > westbrook
two 1000+ rushing seasons & 21 rushing td's in his 2 years in the league...and he catches the ball out of the backfield...all that for a horrible team.
except davis could not play in the eagle offense...whereas westbrook or a plethora of other backs could play in a pro set offense...so in that sense westbrook>davis
Yeah but Davis has also been used as teh fulltime back in an offense that runs a lot more then the Eagles. I think Westy could put up those numbers in a full season, barring any major inury, in a run heavy O.
And if he were made of gold he wouldn't be holding out.
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on August 07, 2005, 08:26:39 AM
IMO, Westbrook is getting alot of dough because he can be done in a second with his injury history.
? You mean he wants a lot of dough because he knows he could be done in one play? I think his injury history is exactly why Ried ain't budging on whatever deal he wants.
CSN thinks Westbrook will show up tomorrow night because of the CBA thing....
Should we boo him? Somebody turn on WIP so we know if we should boo him.
So if he comes in does this change his mind at all on what he's worth?
G Cobb just reported Westbrook has arrived at camp.
HAHAHA I posted it first I win! :P
Yeah but Davis has also been used as teh fulltime back in an offense that runs a lot more then the Eagles. I think Westy could put up those numbers in a full season, barring any major inury, in a run heavy O.
we are on the same side here
G Cobb on WIP reporting that Westbrook has arrived at camp.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 07, 2005, 09:18:55 PM
G Cobb on WIP reporting that Westbrook has arrived at camp.
Somebody beat you to the punch. You lose :P
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 07, 2005, 08:31:49 PM
G Cobb just reported Westbrook has arrived at camp.
HAHAHA I posted it first I win! :P
I care?
You know you do, don't deny it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 07, 2005, 09:21:34 PM
I care?
Of course you do, otherwise you wouldn't have replied ;)
I care that Westbrook reported.
You can't fool us.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 07, 2005, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 07, 2005, 09:21:34 PM
I care?
Of course you do, otherwise you wouldn't have replied ;)
Touche!
In before the 8th. Guess that PFT blurb was right.
Unfortunately the most important part of the news wasn't included, and that is whether or not he reported to camp with a smile or a frown. I'm sure we'll have all the details by tomorrow afternoon.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 07, 2005, 09:37:57 PM
Unfortunately the most important part of the news wasn't included, and that is whether or not he reported to camp with a smile or a frown. I'm sure we'll have all the details by tomorrow afternoon.
Actually I wanna see if he has a better Free Throw percentage than T.O.
Better yet, how is Westbrook from behind the arc?
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 07, 2005, 09:37:57 PM
Unfortunately the most important part of the news wasn't included, and that is whether or not he reported to camp with a smile or a frown. I'm sure we'll have all the details by tomorrow afternoon.
Won't matter...whatever expression he has won't be fully reported on any news outlet. And if it is...if he's happy, it will be in spite of TO....if he's not, its TO's fault.
Here's to just hoping he comes out of camp injury free, in great shape, and motivated to win a Super Bowl this season. The important thing is that he is there. Maybe the added week off will make him fresher for the season. Who knows.
Somebody beat you to the punch. You lose
post of the week...got it in just in time too
is westbrook everyones favorite player now???
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2005, 09:55:57 PM
Somebody beat you to the punch. You lose
post of the week...got it in just in time too
is westbrook everyones favorite player now???
No. That means less reps for C-Buck. ;D
NBC10 caught Fletcher Smith at the airport. He said Brian would not be a distraction at camp. As for a new deal, he said they're using the deals of Davis, Jordan and Rudi Johnson as benchmarks...
Fletcher Smith man... is it just me or was that guy like 4 feet tall?
I kinda hope this new deal includes a swift kick in the ass.
Quote from: shorebird on August 07, 2005, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on August 07, 2005, 08:26:39 AM
IMO, Westbrook is getting alot of dough because he can be done in a second with his injury history.
? You mean he wants a lot of dough because he knows he could be done in one play? I think his injury history is exactly why Ried ain't budging on whatever deal he wants.
wow. I wrote some jibberish there.
yes, your 2nd part about reid not budging.
This is from Saturday, but it has some salary stuff in it....QuoteWestbrook knows he's taking big risk
By Bob Brookover and Shannon Ryan
Inquirer Staff Writers
BETHLEHEM, Pa. - Brian Westbrook knows the deal: Be in camp Monday or lose the potential to become an unrestricted free agent after the season.
The running back has been holding out of the Eagles' training camp in hopes of reaching a long-term deal with the team. As of last night, Westbrook's agent, Fletcher Smith, and the Eagles had not reached a deal, a team source said.
"We're going to continue to look at all options," Smith said early yesterday morning. "The [collective-bargaining agreement] doesn't provide very many choices for someone in Brian's position. Someone asked me about our leverage, but that's tough to answer, especially when the team has most of the leverage."
For every day Westbrook misses camp, he is fined $6,000, bringing his total to $30,000 as of yesterday.
Westbrook, who hired Smith after firing agent Anthony Agnone, signed the Eagles' $1.43 million tender on June 1 and attended the team's voluntary minicamp in June after boycotting a similar camp the month before.
Yesterday, Smith sent a release from his Skokie, Ill., office that outlined the obstacles Westbrook has operated under as a restricted free agent this off-season.
"It is well-documented that Brian had until June 15 to sign the tender," Smith said. "If it remained unsigned beyond June 15, the Eagles could have exercised their right to reduce Brian's 2005 salary substantially."
That move triggered the start of negotiations between Smith and the Eagles, but when the sides hadn't come to an agreement by Monday's reporting date for training camp, Westbrook decided to stage a holdout that surprised and angered the Eagles.
The statement from Smith's CSMG Co. also laments Article XVIII, Section 1 (b) of the collective-bargaining agreement, which says that any player under contract who doesn't report 30 days before the first game of the regular season will lose a year of credited service.
That means that Westbrook would lose his right to become an unrestricted free agent after this season.
Despite the ramifications of that rule, "Brian and I remain unified with respect to all decisions made regarding the current state of affairs," Smith said in the statement. "We will continue to exhaust all options available to Brian until such time when we are able to secure a favorable long-term contract.
"We just have to try to explore all avenues to get something done," Smith said.
According to a team source, Westbrook is fixated on the deal the Oakland Raiders struck with Lamont Jordan, who signed a five-year, $27.5 million deal in the off-season. Jordan earned a $7 million signing bonus.
Jordan's deal is worth $17.8 million over the first three years of the contract. The Eagles have offered Westbrook $13 million over the first three years of a five-year deal and a $9 million signing bonus.
The Eagles, according to a source, feel that Jordan's deal was an aberration - not the standard - for running backs of Westbrook's caliber. About six to 10 other top backs in the NFL received deals that may be more reflective of where the Eagles would place Westbrook.
According to team sources, the deal the Eagles have offered Westbrook is worth $4 million more than those earned by running backs Ahman Green (Green Bay), Domanick Davis (Houston) and Stephen Davis (Carolina).
The bonus is $2 million more than Tiki Barber got from the New York Giants and $2.5 million more than Warrick Dunn received from Atlanta. It is $1 million more than Fred Taylor got from Jacksonville.
Barber will earn $13 million over the first three years of his contract, while Dunn, Stephen Davis and Domanick Davis all will make $12 million over their first three years. Green will earn $10.2 million in that span.
Clinton Portis of Washington received a signing bonus of close to $13 million, and LaDainian Tomlinson of the San Diego Chargers received $16 million in the first year of his contract last year.
Westbrook isn't looking for Portis and Tomlinson money, but Eagles president Joe Banner has conceded that the running back was seeking more than the team was willing to offer.
For many of the 15 players who reported to training camp after Aug. 1 last year, the year was not a success. Quarterback Philip Rivers didn't play at all in San Diego. Of the 14 other players, six landed on injured reserve and three missed at least nine games.
Smith said that Westbrook's main goal was to get a long-term extension from the Eagles.
"There is no question about that," Smith said. "The system has allowed him to flourish in very many ways. I'm not saying he couldn't do well in another system, but the Eagles' system has been great for him. He wants to be compensated, too. Regardless of the market, Brian is one of the most important players in that offense."
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 08, 2005, 12:07:18 AM
NBC10 caught Fletcher Smith at the airport. He said Brian would not be a distraction at camp. As for a new deal, he said they're using the deals of Davis, Jordan and Rudi Johnson as benchmarks...
This is what Davis got:
QuoteDavis received a reported 5-year, $21.1 million contract that includes a $5 million signing bonus.
So, isn't the deal the Eagles offered more than that? ???
That LaMont Jordan deal is a retarded abberation. Friggin' Westbrook.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 08, 2005, 07:25:27 AM
That LaMont Jordan deal is a retarded abberation. Friggin' Westbrook.
Hell yeah it is. That's why the Raiders have cap trouble almost every year. Westbrook's offer is damn good money for what he does. He's just being silly.
This guy came from Villanova, and could be buried on someone like the Browns special teams squad. He's gotten a great chance here, proved himself, while making scratch. If he signs today, they hand him a check for $9 mill? And a competitive salary going forward? And if he gets run into by a kid on a skateboard at WaWa, or blows out a knee while jogging on his own, he has to live the rest of his life on the $1 mill he earned up til this point. I can see why he is not at camp without the longterm deal signed, I really can. I just can't see why he hasn't accepted it ....
Reid just said in his press conference...that they have re-opened negotiations with Smith and Westbrook.
Cut Westbrook.
If he didn't show up today, isn't he giving up his right to be a free agent after 2005?
Also, it should be noted that he didn't have any serious interest at the relatively small price of one 1st round pick, so that has to play into negotiations.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/JFJMJLGGFKIP/camp5_050808.jpg)
"D'oh! What was I thinking?"
Quote from: Reidme on August 08, 2005, 10:54:29 AM
This guy came from Villanova, and could be buried on someone like the Browns special teams squad. He's gotten a great chance here, proved himself, while making scratch. If he signs today, they hand him a check for $9 mill? And a competitive salary going forward? And if he gets run into by a kid on a skateboard at WaWa, or blows out a knee while jogging on his own, he has to live the rest of his life on the $1 mill he earned up til this point. I can see why he is not at camp without the longterm deal signed, I really can. I just can't see why he hasn't accepted it ....
Whether he is from Villanova or FSU...what is the difference? None really. What matters is that he's a star in the NFL and he's proven he is worth some money. I agree, he should've signed the deal presented to him. I mean honestly, did he think holding out would get him an extra $20k a year or something?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 08, 2005, 12:51:32 PM
If he didn't show up today, isn't he giving up his right to be a free agent after 2005?
Yup!
Hopefully it doesn't come to him being a UFA. I'm hoping that he's signed before the season officially starts.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 08, 2005, 01:18:12 PM
Whether he is from Villanova or FSU...what is the difference? None really. What matters is that he's a star in the NFL and he's proven he is worth some money. I agree, he should've signed the deal presented to him. I mean honestly, did he think holding out would get him an extra $20k a year or something?
A star in the NFL? How many 1000 yard rushing seasons does he have? How many years has he even been an NFL starter? He's a part-time back who was forced into full-time duty last year. He's a cool offensive weapon to have, but he's not a star. Unless of course, back to back 600 yard rushing seasons counts as stardom to you.
He apparently showed up for practice today. See picture above ......
That means he will have the right to free agancy, it most likely means he will get his long term deal hammered out eventually.
Quote from: Reidme on August 08, 2005, 01:24:42 PM
He apparently showed up for practice today. See picture above ......
Yep. (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=32283)
Quote from: rjs246 on August 08, 2005, 01:23:21 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 08, 2005, 01:18:12 PM
Whether he is from Villanova or FSU...what is the difference? None really. What matters is that he's a star in the NFL and he's proven he is worth some money. I agree, he should've signed the deal presented to him. I mean honestly, did he think holding out would get him an extra $20k a year or something?
A star in the NFL? How many 1000 yard rushing seasons does he have? How many years has he even been an NFL starter? He's a part-time back who was forced into full-time duty last year. He's a cool offensive weapon to have, but he's not a star. Unless of course, back to back 600 yard rushing seasons counts as stardom to you.
Oh okay mr expert...i guess the fact that he had the major percentage of the offensive yards last year means nothing, or the fact that he went to the Pro Bowl. He's not a part-time back idiot. Ask PG about how she talked last season about how important he was to the offense. Don't you remember that? I do. It's about yards from scrimmage...he is a major cog in this offense. Oh wait...i forgot that you're blind, deaf and dumb. Sorry.
Good, it seems as though the Eagles have offered much more than they should have. They have been generous, and he will be paid more than some of the elite running backs in the league.
What dummy turns down an alleged 9 million dollar signing bonus?
Christ, who stuffed the ball and chain up your ass today? Is he important to our offense? Of course. Is he a star in the league or someone that is an every down back? By no stretch of he imagination.
I don't care what PG or anyone else says (and by the way, if you're using PG as an objective source of objective information you need to have your head examined). Westbrook is NOT a 3 down back. He has never had more than 177 carries in a season. He doesn't run well between the tackles. He's never had a 1000 yards in a season and the only reason he went to the pro-bowl was because of injuries. He's a nifty player, and I love his versatility and play out of the backfield but he is not a star, I don't care how many Philly homers wish that he was.
wtf? Don't farging talk for me or put my name into a conversation where I am not even involved with. >:(
Oh okay PG, so i can't reference things you said during last season and the playoffs. C'mon...don't be a baby.
RJS, i'm just sayin that he is extremely important to our team...that's all. I'm trying to make me point. You try to turn everything i post into an argument.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 08, 2005, 02:26:02 PM
RJS, i'm just sayin that he is extremely important to our team...that's all. I'm trying to make me point. You try to turn everything i post into an argument.
Are you smoking crack?
Let's look at some things YOU posted Mr. Innocent.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 08, 2005, 02:11:50 PM
Oh okay mr expert...i guess the fact that he had the major percentage of the offensive yards last year means nothing, or the fact that he went to the Pro Bowl. He's not a part-time back idiot. Ask PG about how she talked last season about how important he was to the offense. Don't you remember that? I do. It's about yards from scrimmage...he is a major cog in this offense. Oh wait...i forgot that you're blind, deaf and dumb. Sorry.
But good point, I'm definitely the one trying to start an argument. Do us and yourself a favor, go back to lurking around here and not posting.
I've been here far longer than you pal...so you really have no room to say that. Ya know what, if you have a problem, let's take it to the PM's and not hijack this thread.
Personally, I wish you'd both just stfu.
;)
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 08, 2005, 02:35:22 PM
I've been here far longer than you pal
I don't care how long any of you have been here, you're all iceholes.
That is one thing i AM sure of!
Why bother? I've said my piece. Westbrook doesn't deserve the money he wants and really doesn't deserve the money that the team has offered. I know, just like anyone else who has watched him through his career, that he isn't an every down back. You can whine and cry about how long you've been on this board but it doesn't change the fact that you're trying to pick fights as though someone should care about what you think. I don't care. So go argue with someone else.
Oh okay...you win RJS...you and your miserable attitude.
Westbrook will get a fair deal in the next week or so in all likelihood. If an Eagles team source, Westbrook, or his agent come out and say negotiations have stalled again, then I'll be concerned. But now that he's back in practice and negotiations have begun again, I'm not concerned. Like Trotter, Westbrook might be able to find more money elsewhere, but he won't be able to find nearly as much success... so the deal will be advantageous to both sides.
here's how i picture this thread going
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Quote from: Wingspan on August 08, 2005, 02:45:50 PM
here's how i picture this thread going
(http://svr20.thump.net/1217311/coreyh/love_your_job.gif)
Holy crap that just made me laugh pretty damn hard.
That's the best animated gif since Maddox did one for that coma chick.
Was there ever really any question about Westbrook showing up? Hopefully now all this Westbrook and TO bashing can finally cease as everybody except fatass Simon has shown up.
Cut Westbrook.
Burn TO.
Sautee Simon.
Simon would be perfect for one of those huge smokers. You know... the kind you have to get home by attaching a trailer hitch to it. Stick the rod up his fat ass and out his mouth. Wouldn't be the leanest cut of meat, though.
It would most likely be completely marblized like those $300 steaks they sell in restaurants I can't afford to go to.
Sounds delicious.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 09, 2005, 02:01:36 PM
Cut Westbrook.
Burn TO.
Sautee Simon.
You could feed an army with Sauteed Simon.
Cannibalism of lazy/greedy players rawks. They should add it to the collective bargaining agreement.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 09, 2005, 02:06:09 PM
You could feel an army with Sauteed Simon.
Uh, I'm not sure what that means, but I think that picture of TO got you a little too worked up if you're talking about feeling an army.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 09, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 09, 2005, 02:06:09 PM
You could feel an army with Sauteed Simon.
Uh, I'm not sure what that means, but I think that picture of TO got you a little too worked up if you're talking about feeling an army.
There is so much of him (because he's a fatass) that if you sauteed him, you could feed an army.
it's not a good joke when you have to explain the entire thing because you made a typo . :-D
Quote from: MURP on August 09, 2005, 02:10:37 PM
it's not a good joke when you have to explain the entire thing because you made a typo . :-D
oh geez...eating lunch and typing = idiot me.
Nobody wants to hear about your one-handed typing problems.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 09, 2005, 02:11:57 PM
Nobody wants to hear about your one-handed typing problems.
Well, makes sense I'd be the only one with the problem....
Since you all get enough practice at it. ::)
i'm typing this with my nose
oi'm, yy[pinmg ytjisb with a cloiswed frist
Hey, I got the "with a" part right! Go me!
nice work eff-eff
oh geez...eating lunch and typing = idiot me
Nobody wants to hear about your one-handed typing problems
after the TO pic ten bucks says that second hand is not on a sandwich
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2005, 02:30:12 PM
after the TO pic ten bucks says that second hand is not on a sandwich
Speak for yourself.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 09, 2005, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2005, 02:30:12 PM
after the TO pic ten bucks says that second hand is not on a sandwich
Speak for yourself.
He is.
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