Around The NFL - 2015

[ice grillin you]

All these gambling games are set up with a certain expected return to the gambler that is less than 100%. Whether it's due to the programming on a slot machine paying out 98% or the vig going to your bookie, these games are all rigged. I have no problem with it, since it's just another way of paying for entertainment. And you can feasibly set up these cons so that many people will actually come out ahead, at least in the short term. If your con is especially effective, you can get people thinking they are actually good at playing your con.

I don't get the idea that lines, moneylines, moving the lines for teasers, parlays, over/unders etc. are somehow more legitimate for wagering or less nerdy than any other statistics that can be generated by a game. Whether it's the score of a game or how many yards Devonta Freeman runs for, it's just a source of statistics in a game of chance. Different forms of gambling overlay different sets of rules on the things that happen in the game. If you use the official NFL rulebook to determine the winners, a corner bookie's spread, or some nerd's algorithm, it's all the same shtein.

These DFS sites are new and you don't use them. Neither do I. They seem to combine the worst aspects of sports betting and fantasy leagues, both of which I do enjoy. But obviously other people are getting some enjoyment out of using that shtein. I don't see why they should be denied the opportunity.

unless you believe the games themselves are rigged there is no comparison between betting to win a predetermined amount of money on the result of an actual game without having to beat other "people" and betting to win the promise of ten of thousands or even millions of dollars against completely unknown opponenets in a game run by a computer

and i have absolutely no problem with people being able to spend their entertainment dollars on whatever they want....whether its a con or not...i admit on a selfish level i hate all fantasy football stuff because its gotten to the point where the noise surrounding fantasy has become almost as loud as the strategy and the result of the games themselves but if people get off on that stuff go for it...so yeah on that level i wish it would all die so i dont have to ever walk thru the parking lot after an eagles game again and over hear someone say "well at least dez bryant had three touchdowns" or having to see them looking at their phones and talking about how their fantasy team is doing but in a general sense no i dont think people should be denied the opportunity to play....like i said at least its not like the lottery and targets the people in society who can least afford to play

[phattymatty]

I enjoyed FanDuel a lot last year. This year has been annoying from baseball to football.

so you just haven;t won this year or something has changed?

[Sgt PSN]

The only thing I really hate about Fan Duel, Draft Kings, etc, is the fact that I didn't think if it first.

I'm in two different $1 league this weekend that will payout a total of $200,000 each. Each league can have up to 229,885 entries.  According to math, that means that if the league maxes out on entries, Fan Duel will make $29,885 in profit from each contest. What a great racket.

And I don't consider it (or any form of fantasy sports)  to be gambling. The "house" doesn't set the odds and they can't rig a game in their favor. It's not like a slot machine that never pays out, yet people keep dumping money into it. They (FD/DK) pay the winners of each contest. There is no house to beat.

[SD]

And I don't consider it (or any form of fantasy sports)  to be gambling. The "house" doesn't set the odds and they can't rig a game in their favor. It's not like a slot machine that never pays out, yet people keep dumping money into it. They (FD/DK) pay the winners of each contest. There is no house to beat.

They easily can by leaving slots open or whatever and inserting ringers or entering lineups then editing them as the games go on. I've seen them accused of this countless times. They're not regulated like gambling and I don't even know if they'd be breaking any laws. People with money do shady shtein to save money.

[ice grillin you]

And I don't consider it (or any form of fantasy sports)  to be gambling. The "house" doesn't set the odds and they can't rig a game in their favor. It's not like a slot machine that never pays out, yet people keep dumping money into it. They (FD/DK) pay the winners of each contest. There is no house to beat.

this is a joke right?...no one has any idea who is behind any of the entries or who the winners are...you dont know what peoples lineups are either when the games start

as i said in the DF thread a few weeks ago the only way to be sure it isnt rigged is if you got paid by how many pts your individual team scored....theres a reason why they pay by where you finish

[smeags]

I'm sure draft kings and fan duel are on the up & up. 

[Sgt PSN]

I thought that once the games start and lineups are locked, they become visible.  This week is the 1st I've played it since 2013, so maybe I'm misremembering, but I'm pretty sure that's how it worked.

[SD]

I thought that once the games start and lineups are locked, they become visible.  This week is the 1st I've played it since 2013, so maybe I'm misremembering, but I'm pretty sure that's how it worked.

The tourneys with 250,000 people playing they only need to sneak a few in either with insider knowledge or just edit them as they go..heck they can even change the team name too. Have you ever looked at another persons lineup except if you were winning money and a few spots below they had players to go? Impossible for any one person to keep a track of every single lineup entered.

[Sgt PSN]

Good points. For a company that stands to make nearly $30k in profit just from 1 single league, I never really gave a thought that they may tamper with the rosters themselves. Never underestimate one's greed.

So, if any or all of this is happening, I still say it's not gambling, now you're just being stupid. Turns out I'm going to be stupid with 3 of my dollars this weekend.

But if the system operates the way its intended/presented to operate, it's still one hell of a money making scheme.

[Munson]

I don't get why IGY keeps harping on the "it's run by a computer" thing. Does he think it's literally like slots where you get assigned random players? Would it make it somehow 'better' if people were just counting players stats by pencil and paper?

[PhillyPhreak54]

I enjoyed FanDuel a lot last year. This year has been annoying from baseball to football.

so you just haven;t won this year or something has changed?

I was up like $100 in baseball when I got frustrated with it

Football I'm up a whopping $32

I haven't played as much this year as last. Last year I was doing playoff baseball and college football and NFL.

This weekend I'll probably play about $35-40 worth. One $25 entry and a couple $5's

[Munson]

as i said in the DF thread a few weeks ago the only way to be sure it isnt rigged is if you got paid by how many pts your individual team scored....theres a reason why they pay by where you finish

Just saw this quote...what? Where you finish is dependent upon how many pts your individual team scored...

[Munson]

Good points. For a company that stands to make nearly $30k in profit just from 1 single league, I never really gave a thought that they may tamper with the rosters themselves. Never underestimate one's greed.

So, if any or all of this is happening, I still say it's not gambling, now you're just being stupid. Turns out I'm going to be stupid with 3 of my dollars this weekend.

But if the system operates the way its intended/presented to operate, it's still one hell of a money making scheme.

Yeah if that shtein is going on, and I tend to lean towards it is, it's pretty zesty.

However, if you're still looking to make your own, that type of scandal could take those two sites down and open the door for new daily fantasy league providers.....Find a coder to build the website and I am IN.

Also, they make money on those guarenteed tourny's IF they fill up. A few of them don't fill up so they end up paying out more than the buy ins bring in. Doesn't seem to happen too often though.

[hunt]

as i said in the DF thread a few weeks ago the only way to be sure it isnt rigged is if you got paid by how many pts your individual team scored....theres a reason why they pay by where you finish

Just saw this quote...what? Where you finish is dependent upon how many pts your individual team scored...

and how many points the other teams scored.  even the computer generated teams made after the fact. 

[Sgt PSN]

However, if you're still looking to make your own, that type of scandal could take those two sites down and open the door for new daily fantasy league providers.....Find a coder to build the website and I am IN.

Haha....if it were only that easy. I can't even imagine the cost of finding a host server big enough and stable enough to maintain that. Not to mention the cost of security since you're taking people's financial info. Gotta imagine there's a pricey insurance policy as well incase of a security breach.

Also, they make money on those guarenteed tourny's IF they fill up. A few of them don't fill up so they end up paying out more than the buy ins bring in. Doesn't seem to happen too often though.

Yeah, they may lose a couple grand here or there on individual leagues, but the profit they make off of the leagues that fill up is just insane and more than enough to cover the losses. I'm sure they've done their research and track the # entries they get from week to week and only open up the # of leagues that they expect to fill...or mostly fill.