Around The NFL - 2014

[General_Failure]

I too like to use Bill O'Reilly to strengthen my arguments.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Run far far away from Redneckville!

[General_Failure]

Run far far away from Redneckville!

It's too late for both of us, I'm afraid.

[MDS]

nothing like going to americas rageaholic grandpa for support

[PhillyPhreak54]

Louisana is the southern voice of reason?

[General_Failure]

They'll be damned if they're going to celebrate a loser.

[PhillyPhreak54]

They may not even know who he is. Cajuns just wanna shrimp and make jambalaya

[Geowhizzer]

They're not really noted around where I live - maybe state buildings are closed.  Then again, I live in an area of Florida where the vast majority of the people that live here have northern roots.

[Sgt PSN]

haha.....sarge got hooked hard....dont let him reel you in sergeant!!

Lol. I saw that you bailed on it. Probably because you had something better to do. Unfortunately, I didn't.

[Rome]

They'll be damned if they're going to celebrate a loser.

They celebrate it.  You just can't hear them because they have brown paper bags over their heads when they do it.

[ice grillin you]

it seems like 10% of the roads in virginia are named after lee

[Geowhizzer]

Of course, after all the stuff I said earlier - I work in Lee County (named in 1887).  There have been a few calls to re-name it, but nothing that's really taken root.  The old people down here are too busy getting sunburned, playing golf and hitting the early bird specials.

[Diomedes]

Lee was a genuinely remarkable man.  It doesn't upset me that folks in the slave states lionize him as much as some of the other people they honor.  There are, for example, two cities named after Preston Brooks (one in Florida, the other in Alabama,) who was remarkable only for his cowardice. 

[Geowhizzer]

Lee was a genuinely remarkable man.  It doesn't upset me that folks in the slave states lionize him as much as some of the other people they honor.  There are, for example, two cities named after Preston Brooks (one in Florida, the other in Alabama,) who was remarkable only for his cowardice.

I always found it an interesting development that Brooks died within a year from the caning of Senator Sumner.  Great example of "southern gentleman."

And I agree about Lee - his decision to leave the U.S. army and take on the mantle of the Confederacy was a hard one for him to make, and based on the principle (held by many from the "Virginia aristocracy," including Washington, Jefferson and Madison) that his first loyalty was to his state.  When Virginia seceded, Lee felt bound by honor to follow his state, even though he had opposed the move. 

Lee also tried to promote reconciliation after the war and supported Johnson's Reconstruction plan, which bore more resemblance to Lincoln's, as opposed to the Radical Republicans.  On the surface, the Republican's plan was more about rights, but in fact was mainly based on trying to punish the south and to retain its own power base in Washington (though there were, indeed, a few "conscious Radicals" who truly believed in civil rights for the former slaves). 

Once the election of 1876 was thrown into controversy (over Florida's vote totals, to the surprise of all here), the Republican party was quick to abandon both Reconstruction and the firm backin of civil rights for the freedmen, in order to retain the power of the presidency.  The Democratic Party actually wouldn't get back into the White House until Cleveland's first win in 1884 (the next Democrat after Cleveland's two separate terms was Wilson in 1912).

[smeags]

so this sport called football is pretty cool.