Week 1 - Cleveland Browns - Discussion Thread

[SD]

Andy said in the post game presser they didn't run shady more early because of the fumble. Meanwhile Vick throws 4 awful picks and they keep having him sling the ball across his body while on the run and forcing throws. Did anyone else notice on the 2nd and goal pass that should have been picked he dropped back from the 5 and threw off his back foot around the 17?

[Hawk]

Andy said in the post game presser they didn't run shady more early because of the fumble. Meanwhile Vick throws 4 awful picks and they keep having him sling the ball across his body while on the run and forcing throws. Did anyone else notice on the 2nd and goal pass that should have been picked he dropped back from the 5 and threw off his back foot around the 17?

He drops back way too far on almost every throw.  It's one of the reason why other teams pressure him so quickly (other than how awful Dunlap is).  He drops back like 10-15 yards and is immediately encountering the DEs rushing on the outside.

[Feva]

Kurt Coleman in the postgame interviews looking like he just called Jon Jones a bitch. Cuts on his nose and lips from when Richardson blew him up.

[Zanshin]

He also can't adjust to the goddamn blitz. Get the ball out and stop them from doing that shtein.

[Feva]

He also can't adjust to the goddamn blitz. Get the ball out and stop them from doing that shtein.

He just can't. He can't hit those quick slants and doesn't seem to know the hot routes on a blitz with any consistency to make defenses think twice about flying straight at him.  He needs that long ass 7 step drop because he can't read the defense fast enough on a 3 step drop to get the ball out.

[MDS]

Jeff McLane ‏@Jeff_McLane
Reid and Mornhinweg's explanation for the lopsided run-pass ratio early on was that they thought they could exploit #Browns' pass D.

lol ok

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That would make sense if Joe Haden weren't playing.

[Zanshin]

He also can't adjust to the goddamn blitz. Get the ball out and stop them from doing that shtein.

He just can't. He can't hit those quick slants and doesn't seem to know the hot routes on a blitz with any consistency to make defenses think twice about blitzing.

Considering that's the hallmark of this offense, not being able to do that shtein is sort of an impediment to, you know, being competent.

[Feva]

That would make sense if Joe Haden weren't playing.

And Shady wasn't ripping them for 7-8 yards per carry.

[Eagaholic]

seriously he is not capable of not turning the ball over

they cant win like this because the defense sucks, the kicking game isnt good enough and the line is a joke but they ought to turn into a safe defense and running team.

feed shady...play field position...dont give away points...take your big play shots with pimp and hope that works

because throwing the ball 50 times a game cannot possibly work with vick

x1000.  They have enough with Maclin/Jackson/Celek that if they lean on Shady and the D remains competent that they should get plays through the air despite Vick. 

56 passes.  Go farg yourself.

And if you count the 7 times Vick ran the pass:run goes from 56/27 to 63/20.

[General_Failure]

They exploited the Browns pass defense to the tune of 5.6 yards per attempt. Meanwhile, McCoy had 5.5 yards per attempt rushing.


Totally worth it!

[ice grillin you]

all of vicks quotes about how hard hes worked and how much hes studied and how he spent the off season in philly is all a big fat farging crock of shtein.....go away you pos

Absolutely... I was thinking the same watching him throw pick after pick, holding onto the ball forever, throwing the ball across his body into the middle of the field, sidearming passes, not seeing LB's dropping right in front of him.... this cat hasn't changed at all. 2010 clearly just caught the league off guard because ever since the end of that year when they adjusted to him, he's been straight doo... doo.

couldnt agree more....and the hold on to the ball thing cant be emphasized enough...if you look at 99% of his completions today they were in rhythm....thats what the WCO is all about....but vick on almost every play dropped back and you could literally see him thinking about what to do instead of naturally reacting....he simply cant run this offense....and this is whee i will defend him...he is a terrible qb but hes being asked to do something that is waaaaaaay out of his skill set....this falls on andy imo...once again jamming a circular peg into a triangular hole

[Eagles_Legendz]

david akers just hit a 63 yd field goal in lambeau.  glad he's gone.

[ice grillin you]

seriously he is not capable of not turning the ball over

they cant win like this because the defense sucks, the kicking game isnt good enough and the line is a joke but they ought to turn into a safe defense and running team.

feed shady...play field position...dont give away points...take your big play shots with pimp and hope that works

because throwing the ball 50 times a game cannot possibly work with vick

x1000.  They have enough with Maclin/Jackson/Celek that if they lean on Shady and the D remains competent that they should get plays through the air despite Vick. 

56 passes.  Go farg yourself.

And if you count the 7 times Vick ran the pass:run goes from 56/27 to 63/20.

stop with the run pass ratio stuff...thats so ten years ago....this is a passing league now...

you guys want the eagles to run the ball more because their qb cant throw it it doesnt work that way...the bottom line is if vick could run this offense properly they would have been up 28-3 at halftime and THEN run the ball to make the ratio more even

[Feva]

Btw... while the 4th round kicker is blowing 45 yd FG's, Akers just hit a 63 yarder to end the 1st half.