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[Eagaholic]

short careers and non guaranteed contracts are plenty enough motivation for 99.9% of nfl players

99.9% have guaranteed money during the season, which is when they need to be motivated for the games. If they all had enough motivation they wouldn't go to strip clubs or drive drunk or take PEDs or hit people or not study the play book enough or alligator arm passes etc. etc.

[Sgt PSN]

I honestly don't understand any of that.

[Eagaholic]

I honestly don't understand any of that.

IGY said 99.9% of players have enough motivation from having short careers and non-guaranteed contracts.

I said:
1. 99.9% of contracts do have guaranteed money (at least during the playing season). Really it's not 99.9%, maybe more like 95 but whatever.

2. If players were fully motivated because of short careers they wouldn't go to strip clubs or drive drunk or take PEDs or hit people or not study the play book enough or alligator arm passes etc. etc.

[ice grillin you]

I honestly don't understand any of that.

because it makes no sense and yet it still makes more sense than using deion sanders and randy moss who are top 3 all time players at their respective positions as some sort of an example in needing motivation

[Eagaholic]

I honestly don't understand any of that.

because it makes no sense and yet it still makes more sense than using deion sanders and randy moss who are top 3 all time players at their respective positions as some sort of an example in needing motivation

I didn't say Moss or Sanders needed motivation. I said just because a player is afraid of contact doesn't mean they're in the wrong profession.

Here, pay attention and read it slowly so it can dawn on you:

Also, players who are afraid to get hit can and do still play in the league because they bring enough other redeeming traits to the table. Randy Moss is one who will soon be in the HOF... Deion Sanders was infamous for skirting contact.

[Sgt PSN]

I honestly don't understand any of that.

IGY said 99.9% of players have enough motivation from having short careers and non-guaranteed contracts.

I said:
1. 99.9% of contracts do have guaranteed money (at least during the playing season). Really it's not 99.9%, maybe more like 95 but whatever.

2. If players were fully motivated because of short careers they wouldn't go to strip clubs or drive drunk or take PEDs or hit people or not study the play book enough or alligator arm passes etc. etc.

No, I totally understand what you were saying, I just don't understand why you're saying it because it doesn't make any sense at all.

Length of career or length or financial sustainably aren't sources of motivation to excel among most people.  It may provide the motivation to do just enough to get by and stay employed, but that's about it.  And motivation levels have absolutely no impact on personal decision making ability about strip clubs or drunk driving.

You've been on this thing about the receivers needing a motivational presence on the sidelines, as if it's going to propel them to greatness, and there's nothing logical about it at all. That's not how it works. People achieve greatness mostly because they're already great or have the ability to be great. People who require extra motivation just to do their job aren't capable of sustaining long term greatness. You could light a motivational fire under Agholor's ass and maybe he has a great game, but he's not sustaining that for more than a couple of weeks, much less an entire season.  And definitely not for a career.

[Diomedes]

No, I totally understand what you were saying, I just don't understand why you're saying it because it doesn't make any sense at all.

Some Yogi Berra shtein there, lol.

[Sgt PSN]

Haha...yeah, reading it again it's kind of retarded.  50% of the time I make perfect sense all of the time.

Or something like that.

[ice grillin you]

I honestly don't understand any of that.

because it makes no sense and yet it still makes more sense than using deion sanders and randy moss who are top 3 all time players at their respective positions as some sort of an example in needing motivation

I didn't say Moss or Sanders needed motivation. I said just because a player is afraid of contact doesn't mean they're in the wrong profession.

Here, pay attention and read it slowly so it can dawn on you:

Also, players who are afraid to get hit can and do still play in the league because they bring enough other redeeming traits to the table. Randy Moss is one who will soon be in the HOF... Deion Sanders was infamous for skirting contact.

well that's even more ludicrous to say Randy moss or Deion sanders were afraid of contact...one was probably the second best WR of all time and the other the best punt returner of all time

and it makes even less sense than saying they needed motivation...honestly I think this whole thing was just a thinly veiled way to cup Brian Dawkins scroat in your hands and ninble at them

cause otherwise I dont get any of it

[Eagaholic]

I honestly don't understand any of that.

IGY said 99.9% of players have enough motivation from having short careers and non-guaranteed contracts.

I said:
1. 99.9% of contracts do have guaranteed money (at least during the playing season). Really it's not 99.9%, maybe more like 95 but whatever.

2. If players were fully motivated because of short careers they wouldn't go to strip clubs or drive drunk or take PEDs or hit people or not study the play book enough or alligator arm passes etc. etc.

No, I totally understand what you were saying, I just don't understand why you're saying it because it doesn't make any sense at all.

Length of career or length or financial sustainably aren't sources of motivation to excel among most people.  It may provide the motivation to do just enough to get by and stay employed, but that's about it.  And motivation levels have absolutely no impact on personal decision making ability about strip clubs or drunk driving.

You've been on this thing about the receivers needing a motivational presence on the sidelines, as if it's going to propel them to greatness, and there's nothing logical about it at all. That's not how it works. People achieve greatness mostly because they're already great or have the ability to be great. People who require extra motivation just to do their job aren't capable of sustaining long term greatness. You could light a motivational fire under Agholor's ass and maybe he has a great game, but he's not sustaining that for more than a couple of weeks, much less an entire season.  And definitely not for a career.

No, I totally understand what you were saying,

Good. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain it to IGY.

You've been on this thing about the receivers needing a motivational presence on the sidelines, as if it's going to propel them to greatness,

I never said that and can't fathom where you got "propel them to greatness from," as if I think a good WR coach will put Agholor in the HOF. I did say that WR coaches can see it as part of their job to help motivate players to be competitive, focused and have a will to win. A 2 minute Bing search shows the current Raiders WR stating just that. http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Moore-There-has-to-be-a-will-to-win/c0c142da-0b9b-40fb-8f0b-1b790658dde1. It states "Wide receivers coach Rob Moore believes the two most important qualities of a receiver are competitiveness and having the will to win" and he goes on to say that is what he hopes to instill. Notice he didn't say the speed or good hands or reading defenses are.

You could light a motivational fire under Agholor's ass and maybe he has a great game, but he's not sustaining that for more than a couple of weeks, much less an entire season.  And definitely not for a career.

Yeah, I pretty much said that:

I half agree with that, at least in terms of a position coach. I think coaches, other players in the locker room, and even fans/media can shame a player into playing tougher and it happens often enough. But what I see a lot, is that this is a temporary rather than permanent change, especially with older players

If it still doesn't make sense let me put it this way. Players vary quite a bit in their mental make up. Jerry Rice has made it very clear in numerous documentaries, interviews, books etc that he has always had a strong fear of failure and a fierce sense of competitiveness. He's at one end of the spectrum of an almost completely internally motivated player. Another guy like Bobby Taylor was a fine enough player but needed Ray Rhodes to fire him up to take on Michael Irvin and neutralize him, which he did. Coaches sometimes need to do this.

Another point is that coaching Xs and Os and such isn't mutually exclusive from motivating a player. If a coach is good enough with teaching, it can catalyze a a player's entheusiasm and will. I've heard Rod Smith credit is position coach (Heimerdinger) with exactly this, which moved him from a bubble player to ending his career with the most yards and rec of any undrafted player. When Mike Singletary was brought in to SF as a LB coach and conducted drills day in and day out I don't think they had any more slackers. In fact they became one of the best young groups in the league. Anyway take all that fwiw.



 

[Sgt PSN]

I really don't care to continue on with this so I'll just wrap it up by saying that the Eagles receivers suck and no amount of motivational pep talks, hugs, or ass chewings is going to fix that. Get good players who are properly motivated most of the time and only need that extra little push every now and then to keep them focused.

[Geowhizzer]

nm

[rjs246]

Cool takes. Can't imagine why I decided not to post here anymore.

[smeags]

http://insidetheiggles.com/2017/01/12/philadelphia-eagles-los-angeles/

[Rome]

Cool takes. Can't imagine why I decided not to post here anymore.

Midol?