Lockout Thread

[SunMo]

i hate that i am put in the position of defending joe banner

goddamn igy

[MDS]

even if he cured cancer it still won them exactly 0 super bowls

farg you, joe banner

[ice grillin you]

i hate that i am put in the position of defending joe banner

goddamn igy

you arent defending him (unless you truly think hes a genius) you just think hes smarter than he is...which is what he wants

i think hes done a good job i just dont buy into the genius talk and thats hes the smartest guy in the room

theres guys all over sports that do the same things hes done he just likes to spin his stuff as something different...for some reason people used to buy into it...thats really the genius of it

[SD]

I wouldn't classify a guy like Joe Banner as a genius, Norman Einstein on the other hand...now that guy was smart.

[General_Failure]

even if he cured cancer it still won them exactly 0 super bowls

farg you, joe banner

Joe knows there's no money in a cure.

[Rome]

If only someone had created a Joe Banner thread.

[smeags]

yeah cause then you could yell at the people in that thread yelling about banner.

[Rome]

Banner is a huge douchebag.  We know this.  The only other thing about him that is universally accepted is his mastery of the salary cap loopholes.  Well, most of us, anyway.

[Eagaholic]

I'd agree with IGY that Banner coming up with making bogus not likely to be earned incentives to push cap money into the next year is something others would have eventually come up with. But, there were many other areas that he was way ahead of the curve. That so many teams were in cap jail in the earlier years of the cap, sometimes taking several years to get out while the Eagles were very well positioned shows Banners ability. He excelled in how to manipulate Deion charges/credits and apparently had a good plan to maximize comp picks by staggering the years in which they let high priced vets go and attained others.

Cap management is extremely complex and it's not like all capologists basically knew most of the same stuff. There's a huge difference in ability. It wasn't uncommon for a team to have to ask the league to clarify something they couldn't understand and there were instances in which the NFL gave an answer that later turned out to be wrong because even the league couldn't get it right.

And if there is any doubt about Banner's genius, consider when they paid Westbrook's $3 million bonus twice, as a pretext for then writing 60 pages of the most complex NFL contract ever. So much so that it boggled Westbrooks mind to the extent he became predisposed to concussions, allowing the team due to cut him, avoiding the balloon payments in the following years. You don't see Dan Snyder coming up with that shtein.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

League year could start before CBA is reached

This is HUGE for the Eagles, as it would allow them to trade Kolb for draft picks THIS year.

[Sgt PSN]

I'd agree with IGY that Banner coming up with making bogus not likely to be earned incentives to push cap money into the next year is something others would have eventually come up with.

This is Havas' entire argument and its like saying that if Einstein hadn't proven the Theory of Relativity then someone else would so Einstein shouldn't really get any credit for being smart.  Sure, someone else would have figured it out, but Einstein did it first. Gotta give credit where it's due and when it comes to managing a cap, Banner was ahead of his peers.  Now when it comes to placing a $ value on certain positions, Joe is dumber than a bucket of shrimp. He knows dollars and cents not x's and o's and if Lurie ever limits him to doing the books and leaving football decisions to football people, then the Eagles will be far better off.

[ice grillin you]

i dont not give him credit for coming up with it (if he indeed did) i just dont think it makes him any smarter than anyone else

just like i dont think the skins are smarter than anyone else because they found a way to sign monster free agents even when they are way over the cap and everyone in the world said they wouldnt be able to sign anyone


btw this is a great piece today from HOF domo

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110311_Paul_Domowitch__Judge_Doty__NFL_owners__best_incentive_to_settle.html

[hbionic]

i hate that i am put in the position of defending joe banner

goddamn igy

[Eagaholic]

just like i dont think the skins are smarter than anyone else because they found a way to sign monster free agents even when they are way over the cap and everyone in the world said they wouldnt be able to sign anyone

That was only because they were lucky the league increased the cap much more than had been expected previously with the new CBA. Even so, they still had to cut at least 3 or 4 starters to get under the cap which set the team back talent wise so they really didn't "get away with it." They mortgaged sucking in the future to be able to suck in the present.

[Eagaholic]

Looks like it's on

John Mara says union wasn't serious about negotiating
Posted by Mike Florio on March 11, 2011, 5:51 PM EST
NFL LABOR FOOTBALL

In a rapid-fire press conference outside the offices of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service in Washington, Giants co-owner John Mara bluntly but respectfully accused the union of failing to proceed in good faith during the recent stretch of bargaining.

"This obviously is a very disappointing day for all of us," Mara said.  "I've been here for the better part of two weeks now.  And essentially during that two-week period the union's position on the core economic issues has not changed, one iota.  Their position has basically been 'take it or leave it,' and they've in effect they've been at the same position since last September.

"We made an offer to them today to basically split the difference between the two sides.  We made that approximately at 12 o'clock, and at 4 o'clock they came back and said that it was insufficent and they apparently have decided to decertify.

"One thing that became painfully apparent to me during this period was that their objective was to go the litigation route.  I think that they believe that that gives them the best leverage.  I never really got the feeling during the past two weeks that they were serious about negotiating, and it's unfortunate because that's not what collective bargaining is all about.  I think eventually we'll be back at the table, but unfortunately now we're going to have to go through this process now, where we're in court."

The fact that an offer was made at noon and a response came only four hours later suggests one of two realities.  First, the union may have intentionally delayed responding in order to back the owners into a corner late in the day.  Second, the union may have seriously considered the offer, possibly with plenty of tension and disagreement in the room.

If it's the latter, look for cracks to quickly emerge among the players, some of whom may be regretting the decision not to accept the offer — or to continue to talk.

That said, talking may continue.  But the offer made today may not be back on the table any time soon.

I for one hope we lose a season and it goes on so long the owners and players get poor and the lawyers get super rich, like the vultures that feed on the decaying animals that kill each other fighting. I know, not much chance of that, or at least the owners going broke.