Can We All Finally Agree Donovan Needs To Burn In Hell (even you phreak)

[ice grillin you]

Yeah, but where's Grits Utley on the Philly Top 10 Gitty Players List?!

1. andy harmon
2. GRIT
3. dave hollins
4. scottie brooks
5. britt hager

[reese125]

best part about this thread is mcnabb hasnt been mentioned once in almost 5 pages...and rightfully so

[PhillyPhanInDC]

Broncos.

[Eagaholic]

I've never bought an Eagles jersey, but I've thought if I did it would be an Andy Harmon. One of the most under rated Eagles, maybe my favorite.

[Munson]

He wasn't underrated...he was overrated and gritty because he was white and didn't have swagger. Like Utley.

[Eagaholic]

Not under rated. Most sacks by any Eagles DT ever. Not gritty, a DT getting double digit sacks playing with his hand in a cast.
Were you born when he was drafted, Munson? You never even saw him play.

[Munson]

It was a joke man. Yes I remember Harmon, mostly in the last few injured a lot years.


I was referring more to a player not being able to be considered the GOAT here unless he's black and has swagger.

[Rome]

Yeah, but where's Grits Utley on the Philly Top 10 Gitty Players List?!

1. andy harmon
2. GRIT
3. dave hollins
4. scottie brooks
5. britt hager

No soul on the grit list?

Racist.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Screamin' A...on point!

Stephen A. Smith: Where's the love for No. 5?
POSTED: February 11, 2010
Inquirer Sports Columnist

As we scroll through the Eagles' history, one excruciating season after another, there is a common thread at the end of every campaign: A loss in a divisional playoff game. Losses in three consecutive NFC championship games. A loss in Super Bowl XXXIX. A loss in another divisional playoff game. Another conference-title game loss. A loss in the wild-card round. And nearly all of them came with Donovan McNabb at the helm.

No surprise there, of course. Philadelphia wouldn't be Philadelphia without McNabb to blame for all that plagues this team, which is something he accepts with as much ease as he accepts all those trade rumors. The thing is, while this city is so quick to blame McNabb, so willing to part ways with a quarterback good enough to tease it into championship relevancy, the one thing that hasn't been said enough is that McNabb did not miss those chances at Super Bowl glory all by himself.

Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb are joined at the shoulder. Love one, love the other; dispose of one, dispose of the other.

Andy Reid was right there by his side.

And that's the way it should stay.

If, indeed, this city, these fans and the Eagles' organization are idiotic enough to get rid of McNabb, fine. But don't forget to ship the head coach right out of town with him.

Insanity has clearly gripped this city. Maybe the Phillies are to blame. After all, they do have a World Series championship in this millennium, with two straight Series appearances. Perhaps Eagles fans have said, "Hey, Phillies fans don't have to wait anymore. So what the heck is going on with this football team?"

The thing is, that question can't be asked of McNabb without it being asked of the terse-speaking coach (through news conferences, anyway) who arrived in 1999 and became the head of football operations in 2001 - and still doesn't have a Super Bowl championship on his resume in 11 seasons.

So why have there been rumors about McNabb being traded?

Who's the guy who picked those players at wideout since Terrell Owens departed in 2006? Who's the guy who has failed to find a durable runner, especially for all those times when Brian Westbrook has been injured? Wasn't it McNabb who passed for 3,553 yards in 14 games this season, guiding the Eagles to yet another playoff appearance?

We keep hearing that Reid has declared McNabb "the quarterback of this team." Forgive me for saying this, but where's the love for McNabb from everyone else? Particularly the kind of love constantly expressed for Reid?

Reid received a four-year contract extension this season. At the time, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said, "It was inevitable. There's no point waiting" to award the extension. "I've always valued stability."

With Reid, that is.

With McNabb, the emphasis is placed on winning, evidently. But how can you have one without the other?

Reid is 108-67 since arriving in Philadelphia. Lurie is absolutely right: His coach has brought stability to a franchise that had lacked it for quite some time. The Eagles always have heart. Most of the time, they're competitive. And for my money, Reid should stay - as long as no one has a problem with McNabb staying, either.

But if you're going to have a problem with McNabb - who has played with a grand total of two big-time receivers (Owens and DeSean Jackson) in his career - you had better have a problem with Reid.

Just like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and now Drew Brees have captured titles that McNabb has not, the same could be said for Tony Dungy, Bill Belichick, and Sean Payton regarding Reid.

"It's crazy to be talking about Donovan being in another uniform," Eagles tight end Brent Celek said during Super Bowl week. "Donovan has done so much for our franchise. He is our franchise. I've got faith in all of my teammates. Especially Kevin Kolb, because I know he's going to be a special player someday. But nothing can take away from what Donovan has accomplished for our franchise."

McNabb, for all his flaws, is still one of the best quarterbacks in the game. He's still a playmaker, someone opposing defenses have to plan to stop. Let Celek say what he will about Kolb's potential. But talk to me once Kolb becomes a No. 1 option someday.

Maybe I'll care.

Until then, until Kolb shows a pulse compared with McNabb, perhaps we can put to rest all of these rumors about McNabb's ending up in Arizona, Cleveland, Denver, or possibly Minnesota, in the event that Brett Favre decides to spare us a little drama and finally retire.

If not, then maybe it's better for McNabb to hop on the next flight out of town. As long as he takes Reid, his partner in crime, with him.

Fair is fair.

[MDS]

why did he have to come back

the article doesnt make any sense. reid got a 3 year extension. mcnabb has 1 year left on his deal.

everyone wanted to run andy out of town but once he got the extension that call became pointless. hes here for 3 years. mcnabb doesnt have that security. they have a qb who might or might not be good waiting in the wings.

while the two are joint at the hip in many cases, in this instance, it doesnt compute.

but phreak thanks for trying. donnys shaft needs it.

[ice grillin you]

mcnabb got virtually no blame and pretty much a free pass until well after the superbowl year...yeah he got hit hard for puking but he still wasnt being blamed for the teams overall inability to finish seasons

it really wasnt until the garcia year where people started to get on mcnabb....before that it was almost universally andy who got murdered....so basically mcnabb had a free pass for 8 years...and even today mcnabb wouldnt be that disliked if not for his unbelievably awful personality and completely ignorant quotes to the media

i know personally for me my dislike for him was planted in the spring of 2004 after they traded for TO and mcnabb did that stand up comedy tour thru the media with owens...still i thought they would beat the patriots that year but mcnabb showed something internally during that offseason that just didnt sit right...and since then that seed has blossomed into a great big flowery tree of douche...this wasnt something that was there from the beginning or something that poped up overnight...it happened thru some epic on and off the field failures thruout the years

the bottom line is if sas wants to find the love for mcnabb all he has to do is go back to the years 1999-2006...but i can sorta see him not knowing that since he wasnt in philadelphia during that time

[DH]

I've never bought an Eagles jersey

Umm, what???

[BigEd76]

GCobb says the team offered Kolb a contract extension

[General_Failure]

Shocking.

[Sgt PSN]

GCobb says the team offered Kolb a contract extension

they need to regardless of whether mcnabb is back for 2010 or beyond.  having not been a fan pretty much since the minute they drafted him, i liked what i saw in his 2 starts last year (and up until the pick 6 against bodymore, he was moving the ball against them) so i've changed my tune a little.  i don't know if he's the qb of the future or not but if nothing else, he's earned a shot at the job and has shown that he might be able to play in the nfl.