Can We All Finally Agree Donovan Needs To Burn In Hell (even you phreak)

[PhillyPhreak54]

I figured the likes of Sal Pal Cataldi and IGY have been walking around with boners since this news has come out.

Well, we all knew that.

And then there's this...

Donovan McNabb spoke to Andy Reid on Thursday to tell him of his preference to spend this year with Philadelphia, not Oakland or Buffalo.

from Schefter

[PhillyPhreak54]

Devaney upset Atogwe's name was floated
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 26, 2010 1:42 PM ET
OJ Atogwe.jpgOne reason that Rams G.M. Billy Devaney came out so strongly against the Donovan McNabb trade rumors was the inclusion of safety O.J. Atogwe's name.

Speaking on Bernie Miklasz's radio show, Devaney wasn't happy that Atogwe's name was mentioned.  Devaney said the Rams are trying to sign Atogwe long-term, and they don't want any "bad rumors" to create collateral damage.

The floated rumors, then, were not just premature.  They were ill-conceived.

Including Atogwe's name forced the Rams to dismiss the report publicly and potentially damaged the chances of a future trade.

[PhillyPhreak54]

McNabb Agent: No Discussion of Teams
Finally, amidst all the smoke and mirrors, an actual source close to the situation has spoken.

Your Eagletarian just talked to Donovan McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith, who said he has no reason to believe a trade is imminent, and says there have been no conversations with the Eagles about which teams the quarterback would or would not prefer to be traded to.

"If we get to that bridge, we'll have to cross it," said Smith, who said his client is holding up well under the torrent of speculation.

Smith noted that McNabb has been at the center of the whirlwind before. "There's always something, every offseason."

Contrary to a Friday ESPN report, Smith said he did not believe McNabb had spoken recently with Eagles coach Andy Reid. Smith said that right now, there isn't that much for them to talk about. Smith also questioned whether Reid's coments this week, acknowledging that the Birds are listening to offers for all three of their quarterbacks, is the definite signal of a McNabb trade that everyone seems to have turned it into.

Smith said that "given the sensitivity of the situation" he hopes the Eagles talk to McNabb about his preferences before they trade him, if they trade him. "Donovan has been there a long time. I would think they would want to do right by him, reach out, tell him what their intentions are."

If the Eagles don't end up trading McNabb, after what is surely going to be a long spring of endless rumors, can No. 5 take the helm and lead the team as if nothing had ever happened?

"It can't be any more difficult than T.O.," Smith said.

True, that.

There is good reason to think Smith might be right about nothing happening right away. A team source confirmed that Eagles president Joe Banner remained in Florida for a little vacation time following this week's league meetings, and that Reid is doing the same in Utah. Of course, this isn't 1950, the principals don't have to be huddled around one phone in a conference room, but the most important trade of the Reid Era probably isn't going to be made while Andy's wading in a trout stream, or something.

[smeags]

not sure that means anything more than the trade rumors themselves.

[NC_Eagle]

At this point I'll be surprised if McNabb is wearing 'Midnight Green' or whatever they call that travesty next season.

[ice grillin you]

i thought it was dark teal

[Father Demon]

KEEP MCNABB!

I've thought about this - specifically, and agonizingly - with every beer I've had tonight.

It makes no sense to trade McNabb.  Even if they get a late first (and more so with a second or third) - are the Eagles any better than they were with McNabb?  I get the "we know what he won't do" argument, but I don't get the "trade him because we know what he won't do" argument. 

Right.  No Super Bowls in the past 10 years.  I lived it, with everyone else.

But, my opinion says that if McNabb is traded, the Eagles will not only NOT get to the Super Bowl in the next five (maybe ten) years, but  they won't even sniff the same winning percentage or number of championship games that they did with McNabb in charge of the field. 

The Birds have some exceptional young talent.  The kind of talent that comes around once every 10 years or so at one time.  I'd rather take the chance that Reid/McNabb could win it with these guys on the field than risk it with Kolb - a risk of being good or God awful bad - running the offense.  One thing I can say with conviction - many teams have gone into the season with a QB that "should/could" be good, only to end up with a Marc Bulger, Alex Smith, David Carr, Matt Hasselback, Joey Harrington, Tony Romo, Chad Pennington, Jake Delhomme, Jay Cutler, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and JaMarcus Russell (plus I'm sure a few more) that has taken a team exactly nowhere.

My official opinion is that the Eagles should keep McNabb, extend him, and ride out his career and hope for the best.  Because the 28 teams that haven't been to the playoffs more than the Eagles (Indy went 9 times in the 2000's compared to Philly's 8 trips) will tell you how difficult it is to be a playoff team year in and year out.  You don't just plug in a Kolb and hope for the best.  26 other teams wish they had a McNabb.

[MDS]

to sum up:

i love mediocrity and being just not good enough! give me more!

[Munson]

to sum up:

i love mediocrity and being just not good enough! give me more!

Because trading McNabb means they'll get better!


Or it means they have a better chance of, as Demon said, spending the next 5-10 years not even sniffing the playoffs.


The Eagles finally have young talent at WR, RB, and TE, and now's the time you want to start switching up QB's and plugging in guys that will at the very best get them exactly to where McNabb has gotten them in the past 10 years. And there's very little chance that "at the very best" happens when the stat line reads Kevin Kolb-43 att.

[General_Failure]

It makes no sense to trade McNabb.  Even if they get a late first (and more so with a second or third) - are the Eagles any better than they were with McNabb?  I get the "we know what he won't do" argument, but I don't get the "trade him because we know what he won't do" argument.

The argument for replacing him is, or at least should be, that the offense cannot change with him in the lineup. Hoping for the best is, at this point, hoping for stagnation. I'm hoping for improvement, but I'll accept any movement. You say they're not likely to get someone better to play quarterback. That's fair, but they certainly won't get any better play from that position if they don't replace McNabb.

26 other teams might wish they had McNabb, but so far none of them has made a great offer to get him.

[Sgt PSN]

26 other teams wish they had a McNabb.

not really.  otherwise i'm sure that 1 of them would have put up a draft pick or 2 to get him by now. 

the only legit team the eagles have a shot at working out a trade with is the vikes, but that won't happen because favre is going to wait until august to decide whether or not he wants to play this year.  and i'm sure that the eagles want a 2010 draft pick for mcnabb, not a 2011 pick (that may or may not even play depending on the status of the cba). 

if the eagles ever had any real interest in trading mcnabb, they should have been on the phone with arizona before they signed derrick anderson.  there isn't a qb in the league who wouldn't want to throw the ball in that offense to those players.  not to mention that mcnabb lives in zona anyway so it would be a great move for him personally too. 

[Munson]

It makes no sense to trade McNabb.  Even if they get a late first (and more so with a second or third) - are the Eagles any better than they were with McNabb?  I get the "we know what he won't do" argument, but I don't get the "trade him because we know what he won't do" argument.

The argument for replacing him is, or at least should be, that the offense cannot change with him in the lineup. Hoping for the best is, at this point, hoping for stagnation. I'm hoping for improvement, but I'll accept any movement. You say they're not likely to get someone better to play quarterback. That's fair, but they certainly won't get any better play from that position if they don't replace McNabb.

26 other teams might wish they had McNabb, but so far none of them has made a great offer to get him.

This pretty much the only reason I'll have any hope with McNabb gone. That it somehow changes the dynamics of the offense/the way Reid runs it.

[ice grillin you]

mcnabb stinks

end of story

i dont really get the rest of you

[MDS]

to sum up:

i love mediocrity and being just not good enough! give me more!

Because trading McNabb means they'll get better!


Or it means they have a better chance of, as Demon said, spending the next 5-10 years not even sniffing the playoffs.


The Eagles finally have young talent at WR, RB, and TE, and now's the time you want to start switching up QB's and plugging in guys that will at the very best get them exactly to where McNabb has gotten them in the past 10 years. And there's very little chance that "at the very best" happens when the stat line reads Kevin Kolb-43 att.

good lord its the same conversation over and over again

he had talent from 00-04 and didnt get it done. he had talent the last two years and didnt get it done. he had talent on 06 and hurt his wittle ankle and garcia got it done before andy and scott peters farged him.

what part arent you getting. 5 isnt gonna get it done. you can give him the 85 bears defense and andre johnson and larry fitz on the outside and hed still got 11-5 and lose in the divison round.

if there ever was a time to change up it would be now. 5 has is due a bonus. 5 has 1 year left on his deal. the eagles dont have a good defense. the eagles have good young talent that they can keep in tact. see if kolb can do it. if he sucks you have a top pick in the draft or you go out and get someone. you build the defense. they both, hopefully, reach their high points in 2 years when pimp, maclin and shady are legends. hello superbowl.

look at what the packers did. they cut their loses with favre and gave the ball to rodgers. 08 was a wash but 09 was great and they are most definitely a contender this year. is kolb as good as rodgers? i dont know. oh wait munson does! oh well then. 5 it is. munson knows.

[Don Ho]

mcnabb stinks, DLine stinks, LB's really stink, DB's stink
end of story

i dont really get the rest of you