2009 Flyers Offseason Thread

[Rome]

Settle down, Esmerelda.

[ice grillin you]

sbisa straight up would have been a suspect move

[SD_Eagle5]

sbisa straight up would have been a suspect move

damn straight. Holmgren needs to be canned immediately. He got fleeced in this move.

[PhillyGirl]

Wow, Lupul AND Sbisa?

WTF?

[Geowhizzer]

1-yr rental too.  Way too much to give up....

I can't imagine Holmgren made this move without an extension in mind.  I just think Sbisa and TWO firsts were way too much.  Lupul I  could not care less about.

[ice grillin you]

an extension would make it worse...why would you give an exstention to a 35 year old when youre going to have trouble getting him under he cap as it is for one year

go for the cup this year (not gonna happen) then get rid of pronger use his and lupols money to make some moves for some good young talent and hope sbisa sucks

the end

[SD_Eagle5]

He better start moving some more salary if he's got an extension in mind. I'm seriously as pissed off about this deal as I ever have been over any move in Philadelphia history. And I'm a huge fan of Pronger.

Holmgren needs to be shteincanned. His first year was fine, but he also had nowhere to go but up, had a shteinload of salary, the 2nd overall pick and the 21st overall pick. Since then he's made one boneheaded move after another (Eminger, Carle, Carcillo, now this)

[Geowhizzer]

an extension would make it worse...why would you give an exstention to a 35 year old when youre going to have trouble getting him under he cap as it is for one year

go for the cup this year (not gonna happen) then get rid of pronger use his and lupols money to make some moves for some good young talent and hope sbisa sucks

the end

I believe Pronger already fits in with losing Lupul + Biron.  Supposedly there's also a rumor that Briere is being actively shopped.

Carle may also be on his way out.

Losing Sbisa is what scares me.  I think he's going to be a good one.

[SD_Eagle5]

Washington farging taterskins of the NHL. The Flyers should dig up Shero's grave and make him coach, then change their name to something racist and it'll be a perfect fit.

[Geowhizzer]

Washington farging taterskins of the NHL. The Flyers should dig up Shero's grave and make him coach, then change their name to something racist and it'll be a perfect fit.

I do have to admit that the taterskins crossed my mind when I heard that the Flyers traded two firsts.

[ice grillin you]

He better start moving some more salary if he's got an extension in mind. I'm seriously as pissed off about this deal as I ever have been over any move in Philadelphia history. And I'm a huge fan of Pronger.

Holmgren needs to be shteincanned. His first year was fine, but he also had nowhere to go but up, had a shteinload of salary, the 2nd overall pick and the 21st overall pick. Since then he's made one boneheaded move after another (Eminger, Carle, Carcillo, now this)

i remember people going crazy over holmgren getting all this great young talent...parent upshall lupol coburn ect...and the whole time i was thinking the flyers will be lucky if one of thsoe guys pans out and thats what we should hope for..meanwhile so many flyer fans were like holy shtein we are loaded for the next 10 years as if all young players automatically develop into a player

and yes holmgren needs to be gone...btwn reeemsdyke and this is enough to get anyone fired........why the farg did lukko and snyder sign off on this deal...snyder i can see falling for the big name player trick but not lukko..i would have slapped holmgren in his face when he came to me with this

an extension would make it worse...why would you give an exstention to a 35 year old when youre going to have trouble getting him under he cap as it is for one year

go for the cup this year (not gonna happen) then get rid of pronger use his and lupols money to make some moves for some good young talent and hope sbisa sucks

the end

I believe Pronger already fits in with losing Lupul + Biron.  Supposedly there's also a rumor that Briere is being actively shopped.

Carle may also be on his way out.

Losing Sbisa is what scares me.  I think he's going to be a good one.

im already beside myself with this deal...i swear to god if they give that ancient ape an even remotely pricey extention ill farging lose it

[SD_Eagle5]

Think about this for a second, Holmgrens been the Flyers GM for 2 seasons and he's dealt away 4 1st round picks, 5 if you count Sbisa, 6 if you count Downie.

[Geowhizzer]

Positives about the trade:
1.  Pronger gives a needed physical presence on the blueline.
2.  Veteran leadership - CUP WINNING veteran leadership.
3.  Still top-5 d-man in the NHL.
4.  Takes minutes from Timmonen - keeps him fresher.

Negatives about the trade:
1.  Losing Sbisa - Could be future (and short-term CHEAP) star
2.  Losing two first-round picks - mortgaging the future.
3.  Will be 35 next season.

I love Pronger, and I love adding him to the Flyers' nucleus.  I just think they spent too much.  It also seems to me that JVR may be replacing Lupul's place on the 2nd - 3rd line.

I also think there's more trading to be done.  Either Briere or Carle may be on the way out.

[Rome]

When Pronger is skating around the Wachovia Center with the Stanley Cup raised over his head next year you guys are gonna look awfully silly.

[ice grillin you]

pronger is on the decline and that decline will only speed up with every passing day...the guy has been absolute warrior for so many years that id be shocked if he made it thru this season...and no way is he a top five defenseman still...he wasnt even a plus last year on a decent team

the only positive int he deal i see is the money advantage they will gain...pronger is gone after only one year and they recoup his and lupols money for next offseason...of course if holmgren is still running things then what good does salary cap space do if he cant fill it properly

Think about this for a second, Holmgrens been the Flyers GM for 2 seasons and he's dealt away 4 1st round picks, 5 if you count Sbisa, 6 if you count Downie.

thats unbelievable