2009 Flyers Offseason Thread

[SD_Eagle5]

Some of them are against the trade but I'd say 75% of the morons are doing the old "we're a better team today than we were yesterday" schtick. Basically if you disagree with the move they call you an idiot because the Flyers shed Lupuls awful contract - never mind it was Holmgren that signed him to that ridiculous deal - Sbisa is now considered an unknown and marginal prospect even though before the trade the guy was talked about like he was the next Lidstrom, and the 2 first round picks don't matter because they'll possibly be later in the draft, who cares that the Flyers have gotten guys like Richards, Carter, Giroux late in the draft. They're on a sickening Extremeskins level of retardation right now.

[Rome]

They're against the trade now but all the other times they're Phreak-like in their lapdoggedness.

[ice grillin you]

Some of them are against the trade but I'd say 75% of the morons are doing the old "we're a better team today than we were yesterday" schtick. Basically if you disagree with the move they call you an idiot because the Flyers shed Lupuls awful contract - never mind it was Holmgren that signed him to that ridiculous deal - Sbisa is now considered an unknown and marginal prospect even though before the trade the guy was talked about like he was the next Lidstrom, and the 2 first round picks don't matter because they'll possibly be later in the draft, who cares that the Flyers have gotten guys like Richards, Carter, Giroux late in the draft. They're on a sickening Extremeskins level of retardation right now.

haha

pretty much why i never go on those sites

[PhillyGirl]

nm, its been so long, I didn't know they changed to PB

sorry

[Geowhizzer]

According to Darren Dreger (TSN), Pronger is looking for a five-year extension at about $6M per.

[SD_Eagle5]

just saw that, and you just know Holmgren will find a way to give it to him. Pronger has all the leverage too.

[Geowhizzer]

Bill Meltzer from Hockeybuzz:

Quality defensemen come at a premium and true number one defensemen cost a king's ransom to acquire, if they're available at all.

In the short term, I don't know how anyone in Flyerdom could not be in favor of tonight's deal to acquire Chris Pronger. With all due respect to Eric Desjardins and Kimmo Timonen, Pronger immediately gives the Flyers the best defenseman they have had since Mark Howe was in his prime. If they club receives even decent goaltending next season, it's capable of coming out of the East and reaching the Stanley Cup Finals.

In the long term, the Flyers have paid a very, very steep price. Losing Luca Sbisa hurts in particular. The deal amounts to Joffrey Lupul and three first round picks -- one of whom already has NHL experience and a bright future ahead of him -- for a player who already has a lot of miles on the tires.

If the Flyers get a Stanley Cup out of this trade, it's worth whatever long-term consequences there are to the system depth. Anything short of that, and Paul Holmgren's tenure as GM will be remembered for mortgaging the future on a gamble that didn't pay off. 

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...trade/45/21778

[rjs246]

I am excited. As soon as they lose to Pittsburgh in the playoffs next year for the third year in a row I will be suicidal.

Cup = worth it.
Not = murder.

[Geowhizzer]

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/ccustance.tsn/194244/

Excerpt:

Paul Holmgren knows he gave up a lot. To get Chris Pronger from Anaheim, Philadelphia surrendered promising young defenseman Luca Sbisa, Joffrey Lupul, two first-round picks and a third round pick.

"Ask me a year from now, a couple years from now if it was worth that," Holmgren said here at the draft in Montreal.

But in acquiring Pronger, he served notice to the Pittsburgh Penguins that Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin's days of roaming free in front of Philadelphia goalies are over. In Pronger, they now have that nasty defenseman who will make it miserable on the Penguins and everybody else the Flyers play next season. Holmgren wouldn't call him the missing piece, but his style of play was certainly something the Flyers didn't have. Now they do.

[PhillyPhreak54]

They're against the trade now but all the other times they're Phreak-like in their lapdoggedness.

Whoa...come on now. I am not a mega homer.

[ice grillin you]

"Ask me a year from now, a couple years from now if it was worth that," Holmgren said here at the draft in Montreal.

this is an interesting quote...is it going to be one or two?...because two might as well equal like four or five...wouldnt you think its gonna be one or a lengthy exntension?

i just cant believe that holmgren could think that pronger at his age and level of play right now is the difference btwn a first round loss last year and a cup next year and he obviously believes he is

[SD_Eagle5]

What's gonna be even better is 5 years from now when we have no young talent because we have no 1st or 2nd round picks to develop, and Prongers 40 playing on the last year of his 5 year $30 million deal. I absolutely love Pronger and am genuinely excited to see him in a Flyers uniform, but Holmgren is a flat out retard for giving up as much as he did. I can't believe there was any other team in the league that was willing to give up close to what the Flyers did.

[ice grillin you]

i dont know how hard he tried but i would have much rather overpaid bomeester in cash than have overpaid for pronger in players and mortgaged the system for his ancient ass

now you will within a short period of time have pronger and timmonen coming to the end of their careers and no sbisa behind them and no defensive depth in the system at all...bourdon better be a player thats all i have to say

[SD_Eagle5]

Marshall has some upside, but he'll be a throw in for a trade for a 4th line scrappy winger carcillo type in the near future.

I can't see Florida getting more than what the Flyers gave up for Bouwmeester. Morganti was just on CSN sportsrise and basically said the Flyers got impatient with Florida and wanted a guy immediately. That's a great way to do business. They should have said farg it, went all out and threw JVR into the mix to see if they could get up to the #2 pick to get Hedman. I mean, at least his best years are ahead of him and he'll come on the cheap.

[Rome]

I was looking for a photo of the Stanley Cup to post just to be a smart ass and came across this...




Whoa.