BRING ON THE MOTHER fargING GIANTS

[Diomedes]

would you add a play clock buzzer?

I think that would be an improvement.

id have a red light like in basketball...that way on a replay you can see if the ligh turns red before the ball was snapped...but the idea in general is a good one...right now its a total judgement call which is stoopid when youre are dealing with something that is as certain as time

a buzzer AND a light then, we are agreed!

[The BIGSTUD]

It hasn't been talked about at all, and I'm surprised, but Eli has never won a home playoff game, and the Giants haven't won one since 2000.

[BigEd76]

and the Giants haven't won playoff games in back-to-back seasons since 85-86

[reese125]

If McNabb ever managed to win multiple Super Bowls, you'd have to compare him to John Elway, the man I believe is the greatest football player to ever play the game. I'm not putting McNabb on Elway's level. I'm saying McNabb is starting to look like a poor man's Elway.

Early in his career Elway never had receivers equal to his playmaking ability. Elway never won Super Bowls until late in his career, when he was supported by Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe and Rod Smith. And Elway experienced his most success after his spellbinding athleticism died of wear, tear and old age.

Could we be witnessing the same thing with McNabb?

**long post warning--if you dont want to read it move along**

I picked this post from another site but thought it was kind of crazy. I know its hard for some of us to grasp (as I am a famous basher of McNabb in here) but there is some eeriness in the stats vs these two guys..and I think one Superbowl win--you do almost have to put him right up there with Elway

Its funny because Denver started to give up on Elway when they drafted Maddox--same can be said when the Eagles drafted Kolb.

Both started at the age of 23 (1983 for Elway and 1999 for McNabb) and were/are 32 years of age during their 10th season in the NFL. Look at their career stats after each of them played 10 seasons. Elway started in 142 games, While McNabb started in 130 of them.

John Elway after 10 seasons:

2,375 Completions
4,039 Attempts
.588 Completion %
30,216 Passing Yards
148 Touchdowns
157 Interceptions

Donovan McNabb after 10 seasons:

2,534 Completions
4,303 Attempts
.589 Completion %
29,320 Passing Yards
194 Touchdowns
90 Interceptions

At this point, Elway had a 6-6 Playoff Record. He lost in the wildcard his first year, had a bye two years later and lost at home in the divisional. Two years after that, he won the divisional then the afc championship game then lost in the Super Bowl. The year after that, 10-4-1 Denver (A Tie! LOL) returned to the Super Bowl, winning in the divisional and the AFC championship game and then lost badly in the Super Bowl. They missed the playoffs the following year, and then returned to the Super Bowl after winning in the divisional and AFC Championship game, but losing very badly. Elway played marginally in at least one or two of these Super Bowls. Denver made one final trip to the AFC Championship game in 1991, Elway's 9th season as a starter, but lost. In season 10, he finished 8-8.

That makes 5 AFC Championship Games and 3 Super Bowl appearances, all losses.

McNabb, by comparison, has been hurt much more than Elway, and has missed way more games. He's gone to Four NFC Championship Games (now 5) and one Super Bowl, of which he lost in spectacular fashion. That's a playoff record of 8-5. Miracle of all miracles, let's say that this is the dream season and the Eagles win the Super Bowl. McNabb would be 11-5 as a starter in the playoffs, and would then have, after 10 years, just as many NFC Championship Game appearances (5) as Elway up to this point, one less Super Bowl appearance, and a Lombardi Trophy.

Even with all his injuries, McNabb's stats are very similar to Elway in terms of Passing Yardage and Completion %. McNabb DESTROYS Elway when it comes to Touchdowns and Interceptions thrown.

I couldnt believe it myself...and if he does accomplish a SB win, he most likely still will not get the respect from Philly or around the nation as one of the all time best because of his poor mechanics

[Rome]

Elway didn't start winning Super Bowls until the Broncos got legitimate weapons (Davis, Sharp & Rod Smith).   What Donovan has done with the mediocrity he's been forced to play with all these years is nothing short of astounding.

[Diomedes]

His poor mechanics?  Are you watching the same guy I am?

[General_Failure]

His poor mechanics?  Are you watching the same guy I am?

After Sunday's game, I can't complain about a couple of worm burners per game. He keeps plays alive when he needs to, and his passes don't float away when it gets a little windy.

[shorebird]

Also, he can throw on the move with the best of them. His mechanics have never been an issue, it's been his accuracy at times that he's had problems with.

[General_Failure]

Hard to get more accurate than hitting your #1 receiver in the helmet.

[shorebird]

Hard to get more accurate than hitting your #1 receiver in the helmet.

Really, we can laugh at that now, especially with the catches Curtis made after that gaffe. But I wasn't laughing when it happened.

[Don Ho]

Elway didn't start winning Super Bowls until the Broncos got legitimate weapons (Davis, Sharp & Rod Smith).   What Donovan has done with the mediocrity he's been forced to play with all these years is nothing short of astounding.

good point.  Terrell Davis was amazing while he was healthy and definately helped ease some of the burden Elway had to carry all those years.  I have often compared McNabb's career to Elway's although I do think playing in the NFC East from 1999 -08 is much more brutal than the AFC West of 1983 - 99.

[Feva]

Hard to get more accurate than hitting your #1 receiver in the helmet.

Really, we can laugh at that now, especially with the catches Curtis made after that gaffe. But I wasn't laughing when it happened.

I was flat out pissed.  At that point, it was still a tight defensive battle where points and field position were at a premium.  Now, it's all good.

[Diomedes]

I slapped myself in the face with both hands somewhat harder than I had intended.  The child in the room laughed a lot at that.

[SunMo]

Hard to get more accurate than hitting your #1 receiver in the helmet.

Really, we can laugh at that now, especially with the catches Curtis made after that gaffe. But I wasn't laughing when it happened.

i literally had a seizure when that happened

[Don Ho]

I had the seizure when we found out the flag on the same play was on the Giants after telling myself don't worry there's a flag and it would have come back anyway.