Eagles 2009 Draft Thread

[bowzer]

it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone

banner is a better business man than i am

and andy reid is a better coach than i am

but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed

not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel

i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does

I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.

There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.

Boldin doesn't need to be "one of a handful of dominant receivers" to help the Eagles win a super bowl now.  He's a pro bowl wide receiver, who would be a perfect compliment to desean.  He's also one of the toughest receivers in the league, always going across the middle, and playing four weeks after he had his face ripped off. 

You have been here less than a week and are already the biggest homer on the board and biggest front office apologist.  Congratulations tool.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I get tired of hearing the term "#1 WR" too. Its right up there with "big back".

[Sgt PSN]

i think that boldin would be a lot more dominant if he weren't lining up opposite larry fitz every week too.  don't forget, this dude caught over 100 balls his rookie year, shattering the previous rookie record and did that while playing on a crap team.  put boldin on most other teams in the league and he is clearly their most talented all-around reciever and the "#1" option. 

[NC_Eagle]

i think that boldin would be a lot more dominant if he weren't lining up opposite larry fitz every week too.  don't forget, this dude caught over 100 balls his rookie year, shattering the previous rookie record and did that while playing on a crap team.  put boldin on most other teams in the league and he is clearly their most talented all-around receiver and the "#1" option. 

This.


IRT the #1 WR/receivers with low numbers, imagine a pic of Michael Jackson (Browns WR) in his rookie season #1 jersey here.
(couldn't find one, but it would have been funny)

[ice grillin you]

to be fair you can make the argument that boldin would be less effective were he doubled on every play...fitz takes a lot of heat off him

that said hed still be great and if the eagles had him they would probably be favorites to win the superbowl

[shorebird]

Bolding would be a perfect fit on the Eagles O. Then you would have speed on the outside with Jackson, along with Curtis/Avant. I think he'd thrive on this offense. And it isn't written in stone the Eagles would have had too have spent this years no. 1. I would have. They could have offered next years and still drafted MacLin. There is a hundred ways it could have been done, and a thousand opinions as to if he was even available.

[Tomahawk]

to be fair you can make the argument that boldin would be less effective were he doubled on every play...fitz takes a lot of heat off him

No. As Sarge said, Boldin was setting records before they got Fitzgerald. Boldin probably sees his own share of double coverage too, taking a lot of heat of Fitz

[Kenzinger]

it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone

banner is a better business man than i am

and andy reid is a better coach than i am

but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed

not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel

i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does

I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.

There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.

How comical. When no such WR is available thats all the fans get to hear from the team..."Oh there was no one out there"....and now that there were at least 2 available its "Trust the FO to select a rookie who might turn out to be better down the road".

Boldin has been a dominant #1 WR his whole career.

I didn't say there was "no one" out there or that Boldin couldn't help the Eagles. But he's not such a massive upgrade over what we already have that sneding the 1.21 to Zona and paying him $10M+ per year is some kind of no brainer. You'll notice that NO other team in football was willing to make that deal. We don't even know what the Cardinals wanted for Boldin. I'm sure the Giants, Ravens, Vikes, etc. asked about him too but he's still a Cardinal.

I guess it bugs me to see the Eagles bring in the best available FB, replace both offensive tackles with young, talented players, add a veteran CB, a lot of depth at S, draft the #2 wideout on the board and get a very strong backup RB, and STILL the Eagles fans are bitching and moaning about how the team didn't get Boldin. There've been a lot of offseasons worth complaining about but this isn't one of them. On paper at least this team could win a Super Bowl.

[Kenzinger]

it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone

banner is a better business man than i am

and andy reid is a better coach than i am

but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed

not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel

i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does

I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.

There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.

Boldin doesn't need to be "one of a handful of dominant receivers" to help the Eagles win a super bowl now.  He's a pro bowl wide receiver, who would be a perfect compliment to desean.  He's also one of the toughest receivers in the league, always going across the middle, and playing four weeks after he had his face ripped off. 

You have been here less than a week and are already the biggest homer on the board and biggest front office apologist.  Congratulations tool.

Again, we have NO IDEA whether Boldin was available at all or what the Cardinals would have expected in a trade. Many teams inquired about Boldin and he is still a Cardinal. But don't let that stop you from blaming the FO for being cheap or uncommitted to win or whatever, just like the loudmouthed drunken slobs on WIP.

[ice grillin you]

the money is irrelevant there effectively is no cap and the eagles are swimming in cap space

now wanting to give up 21 is a valid concern but it puts you firmly in line with the organizations anti win at all costs attitude and  being fine with just being good enough to not win the superbowl

boldin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mack

[Magical_Retard]

it was just a matter of time before kenzo pulled out the familiar tune of the homer "they know way more than you do"...its a little diddy from way back in like 1999 when banner first pulled his swirly lollipop on everyone

banner is a better business man than i am

and andy reid is a better coach than i am

but they def dont know more than me when it comes to player evaluation and how the roster is managed

not counting retards like cole and munson (who dont know anything about anything) and blind homers like kenzinger (who are semmingly intelligent but have never really watched football the way you need to because of their blind faith in the front office to do evrything right) any of use know as much as reid when it comes to player personnel

i cant speak for everyone but i know for a fact ive been more right than reid on draft picks and free agents...not saying reid is always wrong and im always right but my hit % on players would easily be higher than his if i had my own scouting department and access to the film he does

I don't have blind faith in the front office to always do everything right, but I'm more than a little sick of listening to the fanbase whine and cry about the lack of a mythical "#1 wideout" who's 6'8, runs a 3.75 forty yard dash, has a schlong down to his knees and farts lightning.

There are really only a handful of truly dominant wide receivers in this league and Anquan Boldin isn't one of them.

How comical. When no such WR is available thats all the fans get to hear from the team..."Oh there was no one out there"....and now that there were at least 2 available its "Trust the FO to select a rookie who might turn out to be better down the road".

Boldin has been a dominant #1 WR his whole career.

I didn't say there was "no one" out there or that Boldin couldn't help the Eagles. But he's not such a massive upgrade over what we already have that sneding the 1.21 to Zona and paying him $10M+ per year is some kind of no brainer. You'll notice that NO other team in football was willing to make that deal. We don't even know what the Cardinals wanted for Boldin. I'm sure the Giants, Ravens, Vikes, etc. asked about him too but he's still a Cardinal.

I guess it bugs me to see the Eagles bring in the best available FB, replace both offensive tackles with young, talented players, add a veteran CB, a lot of depth at S, draft the #2 wideout on the board and get a very strong backup RB, and STILL the Eagles fans are bitching and moaning about how the team didn't get Boldin. There've been a lot of offseasons worth complaining about but this isn't one of them. On paper at least this team could win a Super Bowl.

And you seem to be missing the point over and over again. Yeah its better than the offseason where they picked up Mike McMahon and called it a day. But so what?

Replacing the Tackles only means they got younger, not automatically better. The guys they picked up are potential pro bowlers but not givens considering they both had bad seasons this past season and the guys they are replacing anchored a OLINE that allowed the 2nd fewest sacks in Eagles history. At best thats a wash so if anything they removed two tackles and replaced them with 2 possible capable tackles. Same with safety. The only move they made in the offseason, in terms of FAs, that actually makes the team better than what it was when they lost to the Cards, is picking up Weaver. All other moves have been to replace pro bowl level players with potential pro bowl level players who are automatically considered better because of age.

As for the WR position...I said it before...if they did not pass so much and ignore the running game the WRs would be fine. But we all know no matter what Reid will continue to pass 65-70% of the time. Knowing that, knowing the money they have/had, knowing the picks they had, knowing how bad the redzone offense has been for 2 yrs, its kinda outrageous they did not come away with Gonzo, Winslow, Boldin, or Edwards.

Then to turn around and draft basically for the Kolb era and try to pass it off as "appeasing McNabb" is even worse.

The others you listed: Raven run the ball heavy plus they have a 2nd yr man at QB so they can afford to draft skill positions instead of going for pricey veterans. Same with the Giants. Vikes run the ball almost exclusively and have no QB.

It made sense for the Eagles, which is something your missing out on.

[Kenzinger]

the money is irrelevant there effectively is no cap and the eagles are swimming in cap space

now wanting to give up 21 is a valid concern but it puts you firmly in line with the organizations anti win at all costs attitude and  being fine with just being good enough to not win the superbowl

boldin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mack

The organization isn't anti- win at all costs. They have spent huge money in the past two years on Asante Samuel and now Jason Peters. They just seriously undervalue the wideout position compared to the fans.

I don't totally agree with them on that point but I don't assume the Eagles aren't committed to winning just because they couldn't swing a deal with the Cardinals for Boldin. No other team in the league got that deal done either, and there are several other playoff-caliber teams that need wideout talent more than we do.

Personally, I think the run-to-pass ratio is a MUCH bigger problem with this team than the talent at receiver, and if Andy Reid would (finally) learn to call a more balanced attack we could get by with guys like Desean, Curtis and now Maclin.

[rjs246]

I'm curious to see who can type the most words in this conversation.

[ice grillin you]

they spent huge money on samuel because another all pro corner was on his way out...they spent huge money on peters because the best left tackle in the franchises history was older than dirt

replacing positions where the cubbard is or is about to be bare is a job well done but its not winning at all costs

[Kenzinger]

they spent huge money on samuel because another all pro corner was on his way out...they spent huge money on peters because the best left tackle in the franchises history was older than dirt

replacing positions where the cubbard is or is about to be bare is a job well done but its not winning at all costs

Bitch and moan all you want, no team had a better offseason this year than the Eagles.