Donovan McNabb

[stalker]

Ypu prove most of my points. Ginn was what 1 or 2 in the draft? He's pedestrian. Roddy White? Twenty six teams took a pass on him. Breaston? Fifth rounder. So the theory is that Reggie Brown, DeSean Jackson, and that skier/punt returner who's name skips me were all brought in to be a legit number 1. It's damn near impossible to project that in advance. If Fitz or Moss are a number 1, how can you say that 80% of the teams in the NFL have a Fitz or Moss? The Eagles made a run at Moss (who I contend is one of 2-3 number 1's in the NFL) and couldn't get it done. I really can not see how most of these other "number 1's" are that significant an upgrade over what is in here right now? For every Fitz's drafted there are 5 Reggie Williams'.

Your Derrick Masom comment is laughable.

We can however, agree on Ward. Love that guy. Not a wide receiver, he's a football player.

[BigEd76]

wtf....Ginn was the 9th pick in the draft and nobody said Jeremy Bloom was going to be a #1.  Most thought he was nothing more than a project at punt returner...

[ice grillin you]

dont even waste your time easy

[Don Ho]

curtis had it go thru his hands, but was tackled and nationally the talking heads said it was PI.  It's why i dont want to hear Cards fans cry about the fumble at the end of the game yesterday.  Then again i still dont think Cardinals fans exist

pow

It was hilarious last night when ever the Cardinals did something great the collective gasp of "Oh no!" from the Steeler fans far outweighed any Cardinal cheering.

[Rome]

LOL

[mussa]

Ypu prove most of my points. Ginn was what 1 or 2 in the draft? He's pedestrian. Roddy White? Twenty six teams took a pass on him. Breaston? Fifth rounder. So the theory is that Reggie Brown, DeSean Jackson, and that skier/punt returner who's name skips me were all brought in to be a legit number 1. It's damn near impossible to project that in advance. If Fitz or Moss are a number 1, how can you say that 80% of the teams in the NFL have a Fitz or Moss? The Eagles made a run at Moss (who I contend is one of 2-3 number 1's in the NFL) and couldn't get it done. I really can not see how most of these other "number 1's" are that significant an upgrade over what is in here right now? For every Fitz's drafted there are 5 Reggie Williams'.

Your Derrick Masom comment is laughable.

We can however, agree on Ward. Love that guy. Not a wide receiver, he's a football player.

Neither of those WR's we drafted were brought in to be number one. They weren't projected to be number ones and they are not number ones! What does this have to do with the draft? I never said anything about drafting a stud. If you think Reid can draft a stud, your wrong. The best way for us to fill that position is free agency or major trade. Do you really want to go another year without someone better in the WR position? Is the Eagles offensive scheme going to change from PASS to RUN? NO! The receivers have proven when they run first then they have a better chance of getting the job done. Fitz, Boldin and Breaston all had over 75 catches and all had over a 1,000 yards. Are you telling me even if we had that lineup, McNabb couldn't produce those numbers?

[Magical_Retard]

At least when McNabb messed up in the first half it still led to 2 FGs and one missed FG.

wow mcnabb apologists are hilarious

I know I am not getting this crap from you. The same man who thought the game was a lock but that it would still be a shootout. The same person who thought the Eagles would need to score like how they did during the Thanksgiving game (48 pts) but that it was still a lock? The same person who thinks the defense giving 32 pts is not shocking, even though he kept referencing the Thanksgiving game as a indicator for the offense, ignoring the fact that the defense that day gave up only 20 pts.

McNabb messed up the 2 min drive, as always even though two passes were dropped, and he messed up pretty much all of the first half. My comment about "at least when McNabb messed up" was in relation to the defense arguing JackStraw's point about letting McNabb go to get a game manager like Kerry Collins. What would have Kerry Collins done in the first half? For a pass first team with ok WRs and no running game and oh yeah the most skilled player on the team (Westbrook) completely unproductive? Maybe learn to read within the context before you bring out your tired APOLOGIST or FO LURIE LAPPER routine.

I never claimed McNabb to be clutch or for that matter accurate. If I did it would be rather hypocritical of me to complain and moan about how much they need a upgrade at their skill positions. But yes if you look at the Cards game, while the defense and McNabb both blew the game, at least when McNabb was messing up in the first half they still put up some points. 2 FGs and one missed. What did the defense do? Give up 3TDS? Two of them on slow time consuming drives. They tore the defense a new one. Matter of fact what did the Steelers offense do all game before the final drive on the 4rth qrt? Failed to score from the goal-line and settle for a FG? SHOCKING. But luckily for Ben, he has a monster D that actually forced a turnover and scored on a incredible play. They had a D that held the Cardinals to 7 pts pretty much all game till Fitz decided to take over the game.

Ben is incredible in the 2 min drive, has been all year and all career pretty much, but he is not coached by a dumbass who believes in PASS PASS PASS, and he basically has to manage the game until the very end. His defense usually keeps the score close enough that they can strike at any time. Ben, in the last 10 yrs, is the most clutch QB I have seen in terms of always pulling out a magical drive. For that alone he is better than McNabb, but as always its about who he is playing for, which coach, what kind of team, and the defense. That play where Harrison picked off Warner was exactly what the Eagles would not have done. JJ would have dialed all out blitz, like he always does and like it seemed the Steelers did, cept Harrison dropped back in the zone and tricked Warner. The Eagles never once fooled Warner because they did what they showed. ALL OUT BLITZ ALL DAY. JJ would have left a Joselio Hanson one on one with Boldin there and Boldin would have had that TD.

This Eagles offense is what it is. Highly inconsistent. They can put up huge numbers one week and lay a egg against the Bengals of all teams. So to get only 3 FGs in the first half of that Cards game is not all that shocking. They have been a terrible redzone team for two years, have Curtis as a starter, no running game, no productivity from Westbrook...so yeah in relation the defense McNabb at the very least put up 6.

Only way they get this offense to be consistent is to have some running game even if they call it 10 times or less...it still has to produce something, and get ONE BIG TIME player at the WR position so when McNabb is in a funk there is at least somebody who can pick up the offense. Maybe its just a RB who can compliment Westbrook so well that Reid can not use Westbrook's injury as a justification to not run at all. It would have to be someone better than Buck, cause even though the guy produces, you just know as soon as Westbrook is hurt Reid uses that as a excuse to not run at all no matter how well Buck plays. I mean its so obvious now my friends who are Giants fans even wonder why Buck does not get the ball.

Defense....same thing as always...they have no pass rush outside of the blitz. Guys like Parker and Howard are nice for the rotation but they basically pick a bunch of these sacks against lesser teams or only when there is a huge blitz dialed up. The Steelers actually got pressure on Warner. Eagles had pedestrian pressure even with all that blitzing.

[JackStraw]

All great points. I look forward to McNabb pressing - both publicly and privately, the need for impact players rather than palaver about "retiring" an Eagle. We know his contract is structured to trigger re-negotiations about now so how much, as "leader", will he press for help on the offense? Especially if he believes, as many do, that is the reason for his woeful underachievement in big games over the years.

There won't be JJ to kick around next year, and the D is likely to be even more suspect barring some miracle of new coaching and talent. Further, might Reid, by proxy or otherwise, take those strategy and play-calling duties over, too, since its worked out so well on offense? All the more reason to insist on real help.

Recall the very first offensive play of the Cruds game. Pass by McNabb that was at once nearly in the dirt and nearly a pick had the defender jumped a tad sooner. How many knew it was going to be a long day after that? How many thought - based on that one play - here is another slow start in a big game? How can a pro of that tenure get the yips so often in games?

Never mind calling a pass on the first play - that's another story....

[Magical_Retard]

Well that's the Eagles no? But usually the defense bails them out or keep the game close enough so that by the time McNabb gets his head right they have the chance to go ahead and build a lead. The first pass might have been a low thrown ball but overall how he had been playing this post season I was not too worried. What scared me from the start was the way the defense played. After all I think the Eagles 2nd offensive play was McNabb taking off for 20 some yards. That actually led me to believe he would get off to a good start. Most of the first half they moved the ball pretty well but as always stalled as they got into the redzone or right outside of the redzone. Of course they would not have needed to stall there if McNabb does not miss Baskett on that one crossing pattern.

Anyway I do not think McNabb has any real power in terms of clamoring for more help and getting it. He did so last off season, a bit more vocally, and they answered with signing Samuel while claiming the tried to sign Moss and trade for Fitz. I do not buy it. So McNabb say all he wants that they need more weapons but its just what he thinks he needs to say when asked the question about next season. Besides if it the team to realize they need help when the players say so then you know your coach and FO are completely delusional. And we know that even if they realize they need more help they would never make it seem like they answered a demand. Not this proud bunch. I honestly do not expect much, or any major, upgrades on offense at all. Maybe they draft a 2nd RB and let Buck walk and maybe they sign/draft some instant production guys for the OLINE but I am pretty confident that this FO will look at the team as the team that almost lost to the Cards rather then the team that went 9-6-1 and by a miracle got into the playoffs.

But seriously if you are talking about overall philosophy I will not argue with you. I heard Tomlin last night in his press conference talk about how much they practice the 2 min drill in practice, and that it is probably more than any other team. The Eagles it seems like never bother to practice the 2 min drill ever. There have been rumors/reports that they do not even spend much time in practice on the running game. This philosophy forces the team to be one dimensional by design even when the best player on the team is the RB. If this team was a run heavy team and only needed a QB who can pull out great 2 min drives then hey get rid of McNabb and get a journey man veteran QB and I am sure they still get deep into the playoffs and possibly more.

[Munson]

who are the steelers great wr's?

Are you farging retarded?

Hines Ward's last 8 years.
94rec, 1003 yards, 4 TDS
112rec, 1329, 12
95, 1163, 10
80, 1004, 4
69, 975, 11
74, 975, 6
71, 732, 7
81, 1043, 7

The only 3 years he didn't go over 1000 yards, he didn't play all 16 games.
He's in and has been in a run first offense
He wasn't the only option on the team (Burress for a while and then Holmes)


The Eagles have had 2 guys go over 1,000 yards receiving since 2001, and only 1 other guy go over 900 yards, which was this year.
Ward had 3 double digit TD seasons...the Eagles have had one guy that has done that since 2001. And he did it once
Ward has had 5 seasons of 7 or more TD's....The Eagles have had 3 different wide receivers do that in 8 years.

All this done by Ward in an offense that has historically been run first....while the Eagles have been ridiculously pass happy.

Seriously....go put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger as many times as you can before you die.

[The BIGSTUD]

His collective career means nothing. He was a borderline great WR, but now he isn't great anymore. Just because you go over 1,000 yards doesn't make you great. Curtis did last year and he isn't great.

Maybe you throw the word great around easily, but some people don't. Great belongs to the elite of the elite. Ward isn't that.

[Munson]

Ward is better than every guy they've had sans TO since McNabb became QB...and he STILL may be a better overall player to have than TO because he's not all about him...he's a beast football player who catches the ball well, gets first downs, gets touchdowns, and goes head hunting while he's at it.

Don't be a retard and downplay the significance of having a guy like Ward and a playmaker like Burress or Holmes opposite of him.

[shorebird]

At least when McNabb messed up in the first half it still led to 2 FGs and one missed FG.

wow mcnabb apologists are hilarious

I know I am not getting this crap from you. The same man who thought the game was a lock but that it would still be a shootout. The same person who thought the Eagles would need to score like how they did during the Thanksgiving game (48 pts) but that it was still a lock? The same person who thinks the defense giving 32 pts is not shocking, even though he kept referencing the Thanksgiving game as a indicator for the offense, ignoring the fact that the defense that day gave up only 20 pts.

[JackStraw]

You are right - I don't think McNabb has it in him to press the point. But just think if he publicly, and emphatically pushed for talent upgrades. Not calling anybody out, all done respectfully, etc. Think about the results of that ballsey strategy:

Instant love from fans and adoration of the press.

Sputtering and seething from the FO - followed by more platitudes and excuses thinner than a Holiday Inn towel.

What are they gonna do? Trade him? Oh, that would piss him off, huh?

Bench him (again)? Don't think so

It paints the F/O into a contract corner better than any weak-sauce proclamations of: "I want to retire an Eagle".

He wins either way. No supporting-cast upgrades and he continues to have the easy-out. If they do it, then he gets his shot with no excuses. It gives him a shot at redemption and he alone has the vig and the standing to say the emperor wears no clothes. But sadly, no such luck unless it weasels-out of him in some easily retractable Pam Oliver type situation....

Cause, you know, its more pressure. Easier to just get a new contract and leave the rest in the capable hands of Dear Leader...

[Magical_Retard]

You are right - I don't think McNabb has it in him to press the point. But just think if he publicly, and emphatically pushed for talent upgrades. Not calling anybody out, all done respectfully, etc. Think about the results of that ballsey strategy:

Instant love from fans and adoration of the press.

Sputtering and seething from the FO - followed by more platitudes and excuses thinner than a Holiday Inn towel.

What are they gonna do? Trade him? Oh, that would piss him off, huh?

Bench him (again)? Don't think so

It paints the F/O into a contract corner better than any weak-sauce proclamations of: "I want to retire an Eagle".

He wins either way. No supporting-cast upgrades and he continues to have the easy-out. If they do it, then he gets his shot with no excuses. It gives him a shot at redemption and he alone has the vig and the standing to say the emperor wears no clothes. But sadly, no such luck unless it weasels-out of him in some easily retractable Pam Oliver type situation....

Cause, you know, its more pressure. Easier to just get a new contract and leave the rest in the capable hands of Dear Leader...

I think I agree with everything you just said except for the point about doing so would win him over with the fans. I think with him its basically win a Superbowl or it does not matter. No matter what he says or how he says it. I mean this season we have seen fans criticize him for even shaking hands with players of the opposing team before and after the game. I have heard fans claim McNabb is never on the sideline going over the plays like most QBs do and its because he is too arrogant. Him publicly saying something about more weapons will only be spinned into "McNabb deflects blame and burries his teammates". When he said they needed more weapons last ys at this very exact time, fans on a certain other board compared him to TO because he was throwing guys like Reggie Brown, Curtis, and Baskett under the bus.

But yeah in McNabb's eyes he was probably being very rebellious against leader last time he mentioned something about upgrades. And even then after they only signed Samuel, he claimed he meant weapons in general and not just at WR. That was the most he was willing to say, and I doubt he says anything more this off season even though considering how this past season played he has all the ammo. He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.

Hopefully he wises up.