Ex-Eagles In The NFL

[General_Failure]

And that's just for farging up the draft.

[Eagaholic]

In pointed comments to ESPN, Owens suggested Goodell is not being sensitive to the price already paid by Vick, who last Monday completed a 20-month federal sentence for his dogfighting conviction.

"The commissioner needs to go sit in jail for 23 months," Owens told ESPN.

TO needs to be beaten, electrocuted, and drowned.

[SunMo]

apparently Tony Dungy said the same thing?  or something similar?

[ice grillin you]

apparently Tony Dungy said the same thing?  or something similar?

yeah...im not 100% sure but i think he was basically responding to a question asking him about what TO said and he essentially said he agrees with TO

either way they are both absolutely correct

[Sgt PSN]

apparently Tony Dungy said the same thing?  or something similar?

yeah...im not 100% sure but i think he was basically responding to a question asking him about what TO said and he essentially said he agrees with TO

either way they are both absolutely correct

the difference is that dungy went and visited with vick, spoke with him, counseled him and will continue to be available for vick (or any other player for that matter) to go to for advice.  he then recommended that vick be allowed to play again.

to on the other hand called the commish rediculous and basically criticized everything he's done to handle this situation. 

not to mention that when dungy speaks, people actually listen because they want to, no because they're looking for a soundbite to put on the news.   

to is a farging clown who is speaking simply for the sake of hearing himself talk and dvr it later in the day.  even if he's 100% right (which i don't think he is), the way he goes about doing/saying things puts him in a negative light and makes him look like a bigger moron every time he gets infront of the mic. 

[reese125]

theres no doubt that Vick served his time--probably beyond, but I disagree they are absolutely 100% correct

this is no different than a player getting busted for DUI, domestic violence, drug possession or whatever else you cant think of that causes jail time. you pay a civil penalty, then you pay a league penalty...its always been that way.

the 2 years in jail for vick doesnt make up for the years of embarrassment he put the NFL through, especially when its going to get worse when he steps on the field again and the media/PETA frenzy that takes place over the course of the year.  f vick

[Sgt PSN]

theres no doubt that Vick served his time--probably beyond, but I disagree they are absolutely 100% correct

this is no different than a player getting busted for DUI, domestic violence, drug possession or whatever else you cant think of that causes jail time. you pay a civil penalty, then you pay a league penalty...its always been that way.

the 2 years in jail for vick doesnt make up for the years of embarrassment he put the NFL through, especially when its going to get worse when he steps on the field again and the media/PETA frenzy that takes place over the course of the year.  f vick

agreed, but i think it goes beyond the pr thing.  i think it's pretty simple actually......the nfl, like any other business has the right to refuse employment to convicted felons.  and that's exactly what vick is.  the argument can be made that players like leonard little are actively playing in the league but little was allowed back in under tags, not goodell.  goodell has set his policies and as far as i know he hasn't waivered from them at all.  he's been harsh on players getting in trouble, but he's also been consistant. 

point is, no one in this country is obligated to give a convicted felon a job.  i guess that's one of the major drawbacks to being a felon. 

[ice grillin you]

vick has gone bankrupt spent two years in jail and already missed 32 games....four more is piling on and typical of the nfl's god complex...especially in light of the criminals they let play in the league

it would be wrong but id respect them more if they just banned him for life...tacking on an extra league suspension of four games is pathetic and not necessary

[Eagaholic]

except Pinkston, because he has leadership written all over him

I think he'll make up for Dawk leaving, personally

They must have used really tiny letters.

No, it's just you can't see them under bright lights

[hbionic]

I'm one of the few that doesn't mind Vick getting back. Actually I'm hoping he does a 180 and shines. Didn't care too much for him as a QB...but he was fun to watch.

I know that a lot of dog lovers want to paint him as a monster...but its not as big a deal...shtein I'm not saying its right but its not that big a deal to me. People just love to pile on.

I just think he's a knucklehead who did not know any better....like many young athletes who all of a sudden come into millions of dollars (see most lottery winners....a few years later, they are broke).

I'm happy that the commissioner gave him another chance...hopefully he can do something positive and be a good story when this is over.

Good luck.

[reese125]

Hb-dudes been dog fighting since he was twelve-you don't think he knew any better?

regardless- the guy sucked as an nfl passer anyway and being away for 2 years surely will not help his cause.

good luck mike

[hbionic]

I wasn't aware of that Reese...farg...12 years old?

No excuses for sure...but maybe nobody telling him Dog Fighting wasn't a good thing didn't help...but adults 'should' be smart enough to know that...but the fact is, as the years go by, athletes prove that a group of them lack common sense and rationale. A lot of them have a complete disregard for rules. It's not a coincidence shtein like this happens.

Well...maybe getting caught and losing the millions was the lesson he needed to get his head straight. I'm not judging, for some reason I'm actually pulling for this guy to do good and turn his life back around unlike pacman jones.

[ice grillin you]

if anything the fact that its part of the culture in the south and that lots of people grow up with dogfighting as a "sport" shows that he DIDNT know better

should he have figured it out or had people around him tell him him how stupid he was for risking everything for something so awful yeah...but its absolutely possible he really didnt know better

[Sgt PSN]

i can't believe i'm in agreement with reese, but i am.  but there's a bigger problem here besides vick dogfighting.  it seems like dog fighting is pretty common in black communities, especiall down south and that it's viewed as a "cultural thing" blah blah blah.  i've heard numerous black athletes speak out to the tune of "who cares.....it's just a bunch of dogs." like joey porter.  so if you've got someone who grew up in that type of environment like vick, then he's not going to view it as wrong.  dogs don't have a role of family pet and aren't viewed as members of the family.  they still know the law says it's illegal but i don't think that they see the value in the animal's life.  and that's what the real issue is in my opinion. 

i could really give a damn whether or not vick ever plays football again.  but i think that regardless of what the future holds for him, i hope part of it is coming to the understanding that dogs are far more valuable as companions and family pets and not trophies or extentions of your junk and that mistreatment, violence and death should not be a means of entertainment.

it would be nice if i thought vick was educated on any of that while in prison but i'm sure he wasn't, which is one of the many flaws with our penal system. 

[Eagaholic]

 I have no problem with Vick coming back but I like the plan Goodell set forth. To me, it wasn't just a dog fighting thing. There were a lot of other circumstances - at first lying repeatedly to Goodell's face, bankrolling the illegal gambling, and the other problems he had in the past. And then of course not just the dog fighting, but Vick personally killing some the animals who didn't work out in unnecessarily cruel ways.

Just the lying to Goodell part alone really forces Goodell's hand for a suspension.

Another point is that Goodell, as sole disciplinarian, can't be completely arbitrary and has to have some consistency. This seems in line with the precedent he set with pacman.

Anybody should realize that Goodell isn't primarily interested in doing what is right or fair. First and foremost is advancing the interest of the league, so if the court of public opinion demands more than what court of law laid out, that's what we can expect to see.

In the end though, if Vick can really turn things around I'd like to see him have some success in the NFL.