U.S.A. tortures. Go ahead, deny it Bush lovers.

[Rome]

Torture is stupid and so are all of you for arguing about it for two farging pages.

[Father Demon]

Rhetorical Question:  Are there any Bush lovers left?

Not so rhetorical answer:

Republicans?  Yes.
Bush lovers? Not bloody likely.

It's hard for a lot of people to realize there is a difference.

[Father Demon]

i cant imagine too many of our soldiers would be for the torture of anyone because one day they may be in a captive situation and facing some electric shock therapy themselves and im pretty sure wed all want them to be treated humanely...gotta love these armchair tough guys like ff screaming torture em all...and in general you gotta be a pretty sick person to actually want another human being tortured

Heads getting lopped off is ok, waterboarding bad...got it

Neither is ok.  That's the whole point.

true...but torture is much worse than quick death

Dude, you obviously didn't see the video.  "Lopped" off is a misnomer.  His head was sawn off, slowly, and he screamed bloody farging murder till his trachea got severed.  He probably died before the blade came out the back, but not before he suffered horribly.

There are very few things in life I wish I could erase from my mind's eye.  That video is #1 on that list.

[Geowhizzer]

Rhetorical Question:  Are there any Bush lovers left?

Not so rhetorical answer:

Republicans?  Yes.
Bush lovers? Not bloody likely.

It's hard for a lot of people to realize there is a difference.

My mother was one of the biggest fans of Dubya in his first term and through about 2006.  He's even got her calling him a criminal now.

[Diomedes]

Bush is pulling something like a 25% approval rating.  That's a lot of people, Bush lovers all.

[ice grillin you]

Bush is pulling something like a 25% approval rating.  That's a lot of people, Bush lovers all.

i pass off about 5% of those people as patriotic sons of freedom types that could care less about anything but the fact that america is in a "war" and because of that they will support the president regardless...and while i dont agree with those i types i definitely respect them

on the other hand the other 20% are people i wish would be deported

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

It's hard for a lot of people to realize there is a difference.

That's not true at all.  It's hard for a lot of people on to realize the difference, but I wouldn't exactly take this crew as a representative sample of the American public or especially of the American politico circle.

[Rome]

I ate at an old style southern lunch kitchen this afternoon and some old farg was singing Bush's praises and saying how "libruls" were ruining the country and doing everything they can to destroy Bush.

It was awesome.

[ATV]

He's even got her calling him a criminal now.

Good.

Bush is pulling something like a 25% approval rating.  That's a lot of people, Bush lovers all.

Disecting that number is an interesting excercise. My guess would be that 1% answered in error, 3% answered yes only because they don't follow politics and figure someone should always support the president, 5% are old geezers who have always supported their party and questioning that now would require a higher level of cognition and effort to break the habit, and the remaining 16% or so are the die-hard facists and Fox News watching pseudo facists that have been trained to believe that the "libs" are out to get them. Prolly 6% and 10% relatively speaking but it's a blury line.

[General_Failure]

1% probably lied just to skew the results.

[Cerevant]

Journalist gives it a try, "No doubt, [waterboarding]'s torture"

He'd lasted, he estimated, less than 10 seconds under the technique. "I would defy anyone to stand more — people with better lungs than me and people who are younger," he said in an interview Monday.

"It had the effect very rapidly of inducing a panic and gag reflex," Hitchens said. "It's almost impossible to avoid doing that, even though ... you have some idea of what's coming and what's going on, your system overrides your brain in a sense and all you want to do is make sure you're not breathing water."

[Father Demon]

10 seconds?  He's a Hoyda.

[Diomedes]

He's also an atheist and an Iraq war supporter, and has a delightfully vicious tongue.

[mussa]

waterboarding or a dull knife slowly cutting off your head? id rather waterboard!

[Father Demon]

Waterboarding isn't torture.  It's merely uncomfortable gargling.