07/08 Phillies Offseason Thread

[reese125]

they receive 2 compensatory draft picks in exchange

[Sgt PSN]

Sarge...the Giants aren't in the Phillies division you moron

ha!  football, baseball........same difference

[Dillen]

And to add insult to injury, Ed Wade pulled of a deal to bring Miguel Tejada to Houston.  WTF? 

I'm an Astros fan and it's not even that good of a deal. Obviously bringing in someone who is capable of hitting at SS after years of Adam Everett is a huge upgrade, but Wade dealt their best prospect Troy Patton and a guy who appeared to be a stud Dennis Sarfate. The Astros had a bunch of young pitching coming in (Fernando Nieve, Troy Patton, Matt Albers, Taylor Buchholz, Jason Hirsh, Dennis Sarfate) and now it's all gone. Awesome trade for Jason Jennings last year too.

[Sgt PSN]

Stand Pat (actually tejada is not as good as he once was and i would stick with rollins over tejada anyway...that said...the phils are run by idiots.)

I wouldn't want Tejada at SS, I would put him at 3rd.  But I didn't make the statement because the Phils didn't get him but more so because Wade has been the GM of Houston for a couple months and addressed a need for the Astros.  Where was all that when he was here?  Maybe he was handcuffed by ownership not wanting to spend money....I dunno. 

[PhillyPhreak54]

actually, the money from the inital report is wrong...it's only 60 mil over 5 years, 12 per year


so that means the Phils must not have come off their insistence for 3 years, because i can't believe he wouldn't have stayed for 4 years.

assuming that's true, they offered Lowell a longer contract than Rowand...stupid.

They're a buncha idiots. But we already know that...

They were willing to overpay for a 3yr deal, but they won't go 5yrs at all. I would love to know what these fools are thinking. I like that Gillick is insistent upon not giving out FNTC's and is cautious when it comes to signing some players.

Romey; the Phillies will rue losing Rowand more than the Giants will rue paying him that money. Book that, bro.

Because the Phils have lose a RH bat and a player with intangibles. In a LH heavy line-up, losing Rowand was dumb because that means those fargwads are thinking about good ol' Trish the LF being that RH pop guy. Yeah he was great in the 2nd half last year.

And we pray that Pat comes out and plays like his icehole is on fire to get a new contract...(not from the Phils either)

[Rome]

actually, the money from the inital report is wrong...it's only 60 mil over 5 years, 12 per year


so that means the Phils must not have come off their insistence for 3 years, because i can't believe he wouldn't have stayed for 4 years.

assuming that's true, they offered Lowell a longer contract than Rowand...stupid.

Five years and sixty million dollars would have been completely acceptable to me.  12 million a year for a guy like that is entirely different than 18 million, obviously.

Too bad.

[BigEd76]

Not that upset about it.

Get Mark Prior

[MDS]

the phillies need pitching, plain and simple. even when rowand was ineffective and in and out and of the lineup in 2006, they still scored a ton of runs. and that was with abreu for half the year, but nunez for the other half. so there.

the problem is pitching, kiddies. id overpay for santana or something, no problem. but the phillies can still score runs without gritty mcgritter and play in a little league park. they cant go into this season with 46 year old moyer and adam eaton. prior would be alright but he'll just wind up getting hurt.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Everyone needs pitching. And that's the reason the Phillies will get none of it.

You have the list of the non-tendered guys? Any help on there?

[ice grillin you]

exactly phreak...you can say get pitching instead but thats not going to happen...people act like losing runs is no big deal to the phils and on paper it isnt...but if youre not going to reduce the number of runs you give up then it is a big deal to subtract an aaron rowand and add a jayson werth...and we havent even brought up the fact that they are losing a gold glove

[Geowhizzer]

Two questions:

1. Does anyone want the Phils to make a run at Mark Prior, to see if the scotch tape and rubber bands can hold his arm together for an entire season.

2.  Does anyone really expect them to?

My answers:

1.  Heck yes, if the price is right, or even close to right.

2.  Heck no.  This is the Phillies, after all.

[SunMo]

the Phillies were reportedly interested in him before he was a FA, so i would expect they kick the tires on him.

if he's willing to accept a 1 year deal for low salary with performance based incentives then that's right up the Phils alley

[Rome]

"They saw him as a long term player and we didn't."


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  That's why you offered him 3 years plus an option for a fourth while the Giants gave him a five year deal.  Basically it boiled down to a single year's difference.

I hate this farging team right now.  They can puke up all the platitudes they want but they're still acting like a bargain-basement outfit and that pisses me off.

[phattymatty]

you guys probably don't remember this but he had a catch last year where he smashed his face right into the wall! 

[BigEd76]

You have the list of the non-tendered guys? Any help on there?

list

Notable names besides Prior:

Johnny Estrada
Morgan Ensberg
Miguel Olivo
Akinori Otsuka
Kevin Mench